2009/01/25/#xubuntu.txt

[03:59] <zesss> need help getting my dlink wireless card working
[04:02] <zesss> anyone help me with my dlink dwl g122
[04:06] <pronto> great tip: google: xubuntu <release info here> + dlink dwl g122
[04:06] <pronto> chances are someone has alraedy written up a how to
[04:06] <pronto> if that dont work replace xubuntu with ubuntu
[04:44] <zeb> can anyone help me install this ralink driver for my wifi card
[05:10] <zeb> anyone help me to get this wireless card working
[05:10] <pronto> i can't but i can point you in the right direction
[05:11] <pronto> have you treid googleing : xubuntu <version> <wireless card make and model>
[05:11] <zeb> well ive found the forum for it but i dont have a clue how to do anything
[05:11] <pronto> heh
[05:11] <cody-somerville> zeb, whats the wireless card?
[05:11] <zeb> dlink dwl g122 in linux its ralink rt73
[05:12] <zeb> whats easier using the linux driver or ndiswrapper
[05:30] <pkodon> pronto: Hmm, not watching this window, chatting elsewhere.
[05:30] <pronto> ?
[05:30] <pkodon> pronto: I just got my Linksys wireless card to work, had to replace the network manager with a different one.
[05:31] <pronto> awesome :)
[05:31] <pkodon> It wouldn't connect via WEP, but now it does.
[05:31] <pronto> congrats :)
[05:31] <pkodon> Thanks, now I can help the next poor person who has the same problem :)
[05:31] <pronto> you should write it up
[05:32] <pronto> post it on the forums or something
[05:32] <pkodon> It's already in the forums, that's where I found it.
[05:32] <pronto> fun
[05:33] <pkodon> The problem is, if you look for it in Google, it points you to a page in the forums from 2006, then you have to go to the last page in the forums to get the up-to-date info.
[05:33] <pronto> that is always annoying
[05:40] <pkodon> As I recall, I actually found something in Google for version 6, but I searched the forums for "Hardy WMP54G WEP" and found that I had the same problem, started at the beginning of the thread.
[05:40] <pronto> heh
[05:40] <pronto> you should make an updated post
[05:41] <pkodon> Anyway, the problem turned out to be something about most of the network managers munging the WEP passcode before passing it on to the access point, so the access point can't accept it.
[05:41] <pkodon> Any updated post would just be redundant.
[05:41] <pkodon> And also added to the end of the posts.
[05:43] <pkodon> Anyway, the instructions were a bit more complicated, something about not using ndiswrapper, downloading kernel headers, compiling a library, etc.. I'm still using ndiswrapper, just the replacement network manager was enough.
[05:44] <pkodon> Only thing is, I don't yet know how to keep the old network manager from connecting when I reboot (I killed it in the process manager) and get the new one to autoconnect on startup (though technically that's not really necessary, I don't need to be connected 24/7).
[05:46] <pkodon> I've got an xubuntu variant called PC/OS, and I've only been using Linux for about 3 months now (having tried several flavors, from Mandriva and Slax to about 6 flavors of Ubuntu).
[05:46] <pronto> ff
[05:47] <pronto> heh
[05:47] <pronto> glad you're liking linux
[05:51] <pkodon> Well, I still miss my Amiga, and Windows is only good for playing games, if you can call that good, but I figgure if I'm going to be doing anything with computers and small businesses, I should at least check Linux out. Besides, I think it's safer to surf the web with Linux, download what I need for my Win98SE machine, and move it over there when I know it's okay.
[05:51] <pronto> paranoid much?
[05:52] <pronto> you're still running win98?
[05:52] <pronto> neat :o
[06:00] <pkodon> Yeah, I'm an old DOS/Windows gamer from way back, though I have to use DOSBox even in Win98SE to get them to work right on that hardware.
[06:00] <pronto> nice o.o
[06:00] <pkodon> I started out on a TRS80 Model I.
[06:00] <pronto> no idea what that is O.o
[06:01] <pronto> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80  ?
[06:03] <pkodon> Yup, only the one my friend had (who became my brother-in-law) had the expansion box under the monitor and two 5-1/4" floppy drives, a tape drive, and an interface to a Heathkit weather station.
[06:05] <pkodon> And ran about 6 different DOSes, and the only way to copy stuff from one DOS's floppies to another was to put the stuff on cassette tape.
[06:05] <pronto> o.o
[06:06] <pkodon> Yeah, he was a "Field Engineer" for NCR, and had a ton of Heathkit equipment he had built.
[06:07] <pronto> and you're only now using linux?
[06:08] <pkodon> Yup, PC/OS to be precise, it lets me watch my movies and still have Linux, without having to hunt down all the codecs.
[06:09] <pronto> interesting
[06:09] <pronto> i have had no trouble with codecs
[06:11] <pkodon> Well, I tried plain xubuntu, kubuntu, ubuntu, and a few others, had all the desktops installed but mythbuntu, added in a couple more Ubuntu variants from elsewhere on the internet, and ended up with a frankenlinux that wouldn't update about 300 files any more.
[06:12] <pronto> heh
[06:12] <pkodon> Installed PC/OS over the whole lot, and have been happy ever since.
[06:13] <pkodon> I might some day like to try SuperUbuntu or UltimateUbuntu (though I don't have a DVD burner, yet).
[06:13] <pronto> O.o
[06:13] <pronto> wait what?
[06:13] <pronto> superubuntu?
[06:14] <pkodon> Yeah, you need to check the distros at www.distrowatch.com
[06:14] <pkodon> Do a search for Ubuntu and you'll find a whole slew of Ubuntu-based distros.
[06:14] <pronto> creepy
[06:14] <pronto> i don't really understand ubuntu based distros , but oh well
[06:15] <pronto> i use xubuntu as a base, then compile pretty much anything i use
[06:15] <pronto> mainly because things just work ... like sound... on ubuntu
[06:16] <pkodon> Well, it's like this, Ubuntu only gives you stuff they have certified as free. If you want a super multimedia version of Ubuntu, you have to add stuff, some of which is non-free.
[06:16] <pronto> they allow you to add all that other stuff yourself
[06:16] <pkodon> If someone else has already done that, and done all the testing and bug-fixing, you might be interested in that.
[06:16] <pronto> you just have to click "yes i am allowed to have that"
[06:17] <pronto> legally no one is going to care if you install drivers or codecs yourself
[06:17] <pkodon> Yes, but I don't know where to look for some of this stuff, or what it's called in Linux. And I'm not yet comfortable with compiling things or using make.
[06:18] <pronto> i was able to find everything i needed in synatpic
[06:19] <pkodon> I can compile Inform programs (text adventures), but I'm not ready for large packages yet. I need to learn more about the commands (for instance, all that stuff that my search said to do to get my wireless to work was a bit more complicated than simply clicking on something in Synaptic or it's Kubuntu equivalent.
[06:20] <GINZ> Hi. I am trying to see what files are on a Hard drive from a Windows machine, using Xubuntu8.10 llive boot CD
[06:20] <GINZ>  Can you tell me how I find the equivalent of Windows' My Compuiter please?
[06:21] <pkodon> GINZ: Hmm, well, first the drive's file system has to be mounted.
[06:22] <pkodon> GINZ: I would recommend getting the SLAX (Slackware) live CD, it mounts all those file systems at boot.
[06:22] <pkodon> If you just want to look at what's on there or move stuff around.
[06:23] <pkodon> Not trying to promote SLAX, it's just something I found that works in such cases. Parted Magic is another one, and a useful set of tools as well.
[06:26] <pkodon> As for Xubuntu, if it's an NTFS drive it's a matter of finding the NTFS Configuration Tool, probably in the System menu, if it's a FAT file system, it's a bit more complicated to mount.
[06:27] <pkodon> GINZ: Once you have the file system mounted, it should be found under /media in the root directory.
[06:29] <pkodon> GINZ: You still there?
[06:30] <GINZ> Thank you.
[06:30] <GINZ> Sorry I got called away briefly
[06:30] <GINZ> That sounds good.
[06:30] <pkodon> GINZ: New to Linux?
[06:31] <GINZ> It is an old drive and I want to possibly copy the files to Cds then reformat the drive installing the Xubuntu
[06:31] <GINZ> Yes I am new to it
[06:31] <GINZ>  I had it working on one HD, but it got a problem when I loaded a web gallery
[06:32] <GINZ> adn I think I killled the drive
[06:32] <pkodon> GINZ: Then I'd recommend either the SLAX or PartedMagic (which is specifically a set of HD partitioning and exploration tools).
[06:32] <pkodon> Xubuntu is great once you have your drive ready for it.
[06:33] <GINZ> Is the SLAX Cd downloadable from the internet?
[06:33] <pkodon> Both are, you can find links to either at www.distrowatch.com
[06:33] <GINZ> thanks very much
[06:33] <pkodon> You're welcome.
[06:34] <pkodon> GINZ: Which file system is on the drive?
[06:35]  * pkodon used either distro to copy stuff from an EXT2 drive, which Windows couldn't see, to his Win98SE FAT32 drive.
[06:38] <pkodon> Hmm, just looked at www.distrowatch.com, there's a new Ubuntu 8.04 maintenance release.
[06:38] <pkodon> Guess I'd better check for updates.
[06:41] <GINZ> I think it is NTFS
[06:42] <GINZ> I should have left the drive in the external case and checked it in the windows machine but think the case was faulty
[06:42] <pkodon> External case? Was it a USB drive?
[06:42] <GINZ> yes
[06:43] <GINZ> but a proper HD installed in the case
[06:44] <pkodon> GINZ: Yes, my other HD in this machine is a 300+ GB NTFS drive from an external USB case that was used under WinXP.
[06:45] <pkodon> GINZ: Once I figgured out how to mount it, I just use it for storage for downloads.
[06:45] <zeb> k i had my wireless card workin and did a restart and now it wont work
[06:45] <GINZ> right
[06:46] <GINZ> I expect mine is mostly photos
[06:46] <pkodon> GINZ: I have a little 6GB drive I had formatted to EXT2 and used for moving files between that drive on this machine and my FAT32 drive in my Win98SE gaming machine (had to use that SLAX distro to move the files).
[06:47] <GINZ> Thanks
[06:47] <pkodon> I'd use CDs, but some files are larger than a CD, and the second IDE isn't working right (killed both my CD-RW and DVD drives in the Windows box).
[06:48] <GINZ> As the drive was set as slave, and I had to change that, and then it didn;t have an OS on it, I am hoping it deosn;t need drivers
[06:48] <pkodon> GINZ: Umm, what did you set it to? I hope you set it to CSEL.
[06:49] <GINZ>  I read the diagrams on the drive and set it accordingly
[06:49] <zeb> most hd wont need drivers
[06:49] <pkodon> GINZ: Is it on it's own IDE cable?
[06:49] <GINZ> yes
[06:50] <pkodon> GINZ: No other drives in the system?
[06:50] <GINZ> one other
[06:50] <pkodon> GINZ: But that's not on the same cable.
[06:51] <GINZ> slave part of the same cable
[06:51] <pkodon> Okay, and it's set to slave?
[06:52] <GINZ> the second drive is set to slave, yes
[06:52] <pkodon> GINZ: Okay, just making sure, it's an easy thing to put two drives set to either slave or master on the same cable and have a conflict.
[06:52] <GINZ> and recognised as such as bootup
[06:53] <GINZ> I have hubby bleating for me to do something. He is not well and expects me to do all his jobs as well as my own.
[06:53] <pkodon> GINZ: I think SLAX has a way to check that drive to make sure there's nothing wrong with the file system, once you get it working.
[06:53] <GINZ> be back soon
[06:54] <pkodon> GINZ: Okay.
[06:54] <GINZ> thanks
[07:00] <pkodon> zeb: Sorry, you mentioned a wireless card?
[07:00] <zeb> yup
[07:00] <zeb> had it running
[07:00] <pkodon> Which one?
[07:00] <zeb> did restart
[07:01] <zeb> dlink dwl g122
[07:01] <pkodon> I ask because I had trouble with my wireless card and just got it to work right today.
[07:01] <pkodon> Oh, not the same as mine. Do you use ndiswrapper and a windows driver?
[07:02] <zeb> im using ndiswrapper
[07:02] <zeb> and got it
[07:02] <zeb> then i did a restart and now the card only blinks
[07:02] <pkodon> Hmm.
[07:03] <pkodon> Do you have something about Windows Wireless Drivers in your System menu?
[07:03] <zeb> yup
[07:03] <pkodon> Okay, bring that up and see if your driver is still being used.
[07:03] <zeb> ive reloded the driver
[07:04] <pkodon> Oh, okay. Now you need the connection manager to connect.
[07:04] <zeb> says hardware is present
[07:04] <zeb> wifi radar
[07:04] <pkodon> Okay, somewhere in the lower-right panel you should have some sort of connection manager.
[07:05] <zeb> im using xubuntu
[07:05] <zeb> the wireless part is all gone now
[07:05] <zeb> before when i went to system network there was a wireless option now thier isnt
[07:06] <pkodon> Hmm.
[07:06] <pkodon> Is networking enabled?
[07:07] <zeb> yup im on the wired talking to you
[07:07] <zeb> its like its not in the kernel
[07:07] <pkodon> Okay, well, I'm using PC/OS, which is based on Xubuntu, there shouldn't be too much difference.
[07:08] <pkodon> Perhaps you should try shutting the machine down completely, then restart, see if something's locked up in hardware.
[07:08] <pkodon> Oh, wait...
[07:08] <zeb> done that twice
[07:09] <pkodon> The problem may be that you have the wired connection set up as your only connection.
[07:09] <pkodon> In the network manager.
[07:09] <zeb> but the wireless showed up before
[07:10] <pkodon> Check the card, make sure it's completely seated in the slot.
[07:10] <pkodon> (Turn the computer off first, though.)
[07:11] <zeb> brb i have tried another usb too
[07:11] <pkodon> Oh, it'
[07:11] <zeb> k
[07:11] <pkodon> It's USB?
[07:11] <zeb> yup
[07:12] <pkodon> Bring up the Device Manager and see if it's recognized.
[07:12] <zeb> dlink dwl g122 wireless g usb adaptor
[07:12] <zeb> wheres the device manager
[07:12] <pkodon> Should be in the System menu.
[07:13] <zeb> hardware drivers
[07:13] <pkodon> No.
[07:13] <zeb> dont see device manager there
[07:14] <pkodon> Hmm, maybe you have to install it with the Synaptic package manager.
[07:14] <zeb> k ill check
[07:15] <pkodon> Otherwise, look in your other menus.
[07:16] <pkodon> Also check the system settings.
[07:16] <zeb> do i want the gnome device manager
[07:17] <pkodon> Well, you can use that, but I'm not sure that's the one.
[07:17] <pkodon> Hold on...
[07:17] <pkodon> Yes, that's the one.
[07:18] <zeb> k installin
[07:19] <zeb> ok
[07:19] <zeb> device manager open
[07:19] <pkodon> It should be listed under whichever USB port it's plugged into.
[07:19] <zeb> nope
[07:20] <pkodon> Hmm.
[07:20] <pkodon> Well, I hope it's not a bad device, or a bad USB hub.
[07:21] <zeb> usb works in other machine
[07:21] <pkodon> I've got a flakey usb hub in my computer, sometimes it doesn't recognise the mouse, so I have to unplug it and plug it back in.
[07:22] <zeb> 4gb flash drive works in same port
[07:22] <pkodon> (on boot/reboot)
[07:22] <pkodon> And, this wireless device is new
[07:22] <pkodon> ?
[07:22] <zeb> no
[07:23] <zeb> i had to black list some old drivers
[07:23] <zeb> could that be it
[07:24] <pkodon> Hmm, don't know. I know for my PCI wireless card, I could only use one of the drivers that came with it.
[07:25] <pkodon> And if I didn't use ndiswrapper and the windows driver, my connections (to a low-quality signal from an open access point) were even slower than with the windows driver.
[07:25] <pkodon> But, that doesn't help your situation.
[07:27] <pkodon> I wish I could be of more help, but I have no experience with usb wireless adapters, so beyond what we've tried, I'm out of ideas.
[07:28] <pkodon> All I can say is that it needs to show up in that device manager, or the system isn't going to see it as available.
[07:28] <zeb> ill go back to the turtorial
[07:28] <zeb> i can see the device with lsusb
[07:28] <pkodon> Okay, hope you get it figgured out.
[07:35] <zeb> oh snap
[07:35] <zeb> got it
[07:35] <pkodon> What was it?
[07:35] <zeb> was a wrong sys file
[07:35] <pkodon> Ahh, okay.
[07:36] <pkodon> I have to go figgure out how to stop the old connection manager from running when I reboot.
[07:36] <pkodon> But I'm not going to do that now.
[07:36] <zeb> lol
[07:37] <pkodon> Well, I had to replace the connection manager, as it was messing up the WEP passcode.
[07:37] <DaemonXP> Obama gets to keep his Blackberry
[07:37] <DaemonXP> with I knew the email address
[07:38] <pkodon> I live in a guest house, and we have our own wireless router, but I couldn't connect to it because it couldn't recognize the passcode.
[07:38] <pkodon> DaemonXP: And, just what would you tell him if you did have it?
[07:39] <DaemonXP> pkodon: Basically to give them hell.
[07:39] <DaemonXP> :)
[07:40] <pkodon> Well, I didn't vote for him, but if he can do some good, I won't fault him for trying.
[07:40] <pkodon> He can't do any worse than the last one.
[07:40] <DaemonXP> I have a policy of only voting for the Democrats or Libertarians
[07:40] <DaemonXP> :P
[07:41] <DaemonXP> If it's just a Republican on the ticket, I write myself in and vote for me
[07:41] <pkodon> Well, I think I would only vote for Conservatives or Libertarians, regardless of what party's ticket they're running on.
[07:42] <pkodon> But, this isn't the channel for this discussion.
[07:42] <zeb> brb
[07:46] <zeb> did you miss mee
[07:46] <zeb> wireless working great now
[07:47] <pkodon> zeb: Great, that makes two of us.
[07:47] <zeb> ya this adapter was actually broken but i solderd it back together
[07:48] <zeb> good to know my soldering job works
[07:48] <DaemonXP> hmmm, thunderbird won't open links in Firefox.....
[07:48] <DaemonXP> :P
[07:50] <pkodon> DaemonXP: Umm .... oh, nevermind.
[07:52] <zeb> ooooooooo i love when people try to get on my wireless
[07:52] <pkodon> zeb: Really? That's great.
[07:53] <pkodon> zeb: Oh? You have an open router?
[07:53] <zeb> i use mac address filtering and left it off so i can get this wifi workin i goto turn it back on and there is someone on it
[07:54] <zeb> they stupud using dhcp on my router i can see thier hostname and ip and packet information
[07:54] <zeb> and i kill thier ip
[07:54] <pkodon> zeb: Ahh. Well, that's how I got this system up and running, downloaded what I needed using someone else's router till I could figgure out what to do to get it to work on our router.
[07:55] <zeb> lol now i need to configure a different security for work but i can figure that out
[07:55] <zeb> can you get past mac address filtering
[07:55] <zeb> ??
[07:56] <pkodon> zeb: Well, I figgure, if you're going to leave your wireless router open, you've got to expect that someone's going to use it.
[07:56] <zeb> its not open
[07:56] <zeb> you need to have a mac address thats on a list
[07:57] <zeb> it wont assign you an ip address if your mac address isnt on the routers list
[07:57] <pkodon> zeb: Hmm, okay, but you said you had that turned off. While it was turned off, it was open, right. Anyway, I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about whomever I connected to with the open 2Wire router.
[07:58] <zeb> lol
[07:58] <zeb> yup
[07:59] <pkodon> What is a "Nick collission from services."?
[07:59] <pkodon> Er, forgive the spelling.
[08:00] <zeb> try to log in more than once
[08:01] <zeb> brb
[08:01] <pkodon> Hmm.
[08:02] <pkodon> Oh well, I think I'm going to go do something else, been here long enough. Goodnight all.
[08:03] <zeb> night
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[10:14] <rozilla_> ttp://paste.ubuntu.com/109302/
[10:15] <rozilla_> this has been happening a lot in the past few days. can't open Trash when i click the icon. and all open instances of File Manager are frozen
[10:15] <rozilla_> i don't know what else to do other than reboot
[10:46] <rozilla_> can someone help me with this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/109302/  It's been happening a lot the past few days. Can't open Trash, and all open instances of File Manager are frozen. Stays that way and then I always have to reboot to get things back to normal.
[11:42] <^Alita> hi to all
[11:43] <^Alita> i'm in trouble with xfce4-panel: ho can i reset it? now all icons are disappeared...
[11:47] <ablomen> ^Alita, if you right-click on the panel theres a restart options
[11:47] <ablomen> *option
[11:49] <^Alita> ablomen, i've tried it, nothing happened.
[11:50] <^Alita> i've killed it, too, but when i restart manually it, it appears the same
[11:50] <^Alita> i think i've lost it's original settings
[11:50] <^Alita> but i don't know how to replace them
[11:53] <rocko> hello
[11:53] <rocko> jello
[11:53] <rocko> fello
[11:53] <rocko> mello
[11:53] <rocko> kello
[11:53] <rocko> yello
[11:53] <ablomen> ^Alita, can you add new items too it? or doesnt that work either?
[11:53] <rocko> hmm
[11:57] <^Alita> it seems the panel it's working: right clicking on it i can access to the preferences, and i can add items. i've just added the recycle...
[12:07] <kahrn> this is a long shot
[12:08] <kahrn> anyone know how I can modify the installation program on the ubuntu mini.iso to run my own installation routine/script?
[12:09] <rocko> WINBLOWS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMCDhYUWSlU
[12:10] <duryodhan> Hi .. I want to install a xubuntu based distro (http://excelixis.wordpress.com/excelixis/) .. any idea how I can install without having to burn the DVD ?
[12:11] <duryodhan> I tried just copying over the iso to my linux partition and the kernel images to /boot
[12:11] <duryodhan> but the initrd doesn't allow me to do -o loop and mount the iso so that it can chroot to it
[12:11] <duryodhan> (which anyways would have also required squashfs too)
[12:12] <knome> duryodhan, sorry, but we don't give any support for distros based on xubuntu
[12:13] <duryodhan> yeah I know .. but this isn't some company paid support channel ... I thought you guys could generally help out as it is an interesting problem
[12:13] <knome> depends on the guy looking at the problem :)
[12:13] <duryodhan> hahaha
[12:14] <duryodhan> ok ..
[12:14] <knome> personally i don't think it's interesting at all, because you can install all that software in xubuntu
[12:14] <duryodhan> are there instructions on installing xubuntu without writing dvd ?
[12:14] <duryodhan> knome: you will be surprised by how bad internet speeds are in developing countries ...
[12:14] <duryodhan> knome: I got the iso somewhere and I am glad cos it has all the software ..
[12:15] <duryodhan> knome: it will take me ages to download on my net connection
[12:15] <knome> duryodhan, actually i have only 384kbps line now also
[12:15] <duryodhan> hahaha
[12:15] <Juanantonio> Hello, good day all
[12:15] <duryodhan> hahaha
[12:15] <duryodhan> thats like insane broadband where I live
[12:15] <knome> !install
[12:15] <ubottu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation.  Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - see also !automate
[12:16] <knome> duryodhan, there is something which might help.
[12:16] <knome> hello Juanantonio
[12:17] <duryodhan> knome: that tinyurl.com link .. I already did that ... I am pretty good at linux .. I use slackware a lot
[12:17] <duryodhan> knome: but as I said .. it got stuck
[12:17] <Juanantonio> I bought a 22" TFT/TV with HDMI connection and with damm Vista it works perfectly, will I have any problem when I use it with Linux? I am using in this moment a 15" CRT
[12:17] <duryodhan> Juanantonio: only 1 way to find out
[12:17] <knome> Juanantonio, you shouldn't
[12:17] <duryodhan> Juanantonio: nvidia ?
[12:17] <Juanantonio> Yes, nvidia 7100
[12:18] <duryodhan> Juanantonio: it should .. atleast it did for me .. but 7100 seems pretty old ..
[12:18] <duryodhan> use the nvidia config tools etc.
[12:18] <duryodhan> knome: why he shouldn't use a bigger screen ?
[12:18] <Juanantonio> Will my xorg file readapt to show me 1680x1050?
[12:19] <knome> duryodhan, he shouldn't *have any problems*
[12:19] <Juanantonio> And with the sound output?
[12:19] <duryodhan> ohh
[12:19] <duryodhan> Juanantonio: as I said .. only 1 way to find out
[12:19] <Juanantonio> Yes, to prove ;)
[12:21] <Juanantonio> knome, thing is that I bought that TFT/TV to use it as monitor screen and see some TV, and with Vista works, and I suppose that with Xubuntu / Kubuntu will be the same: perfect image, clear sound
[12:21] <knome> Juanantonio, yeah, as i said, you shouldn't have any problems.
[12:22] <Juanantonio> knome, has something to do the problems that I had because of the older Nvidia driver?
[12:23] <knome> Juanantonio, the driver is the only weak link. but everything should be fine at least if you're willing to use propietary drivers.
[12:23] <Juanantonio> I have in this moment 177.80 for 64 bits
[12:23] <knome> you also might be really well with the non-propietary driver.
[12:23] <knome> i have no idea of the drivers, sorry
[12:23] <knome> you should try it anyway.
[12:24] <knome> and as this isn't a xubuntu-specific thing, you can also ask #ubuntu if you want :)
[12:24] <Juanantonio> No, I had a lot of problems with non-propietary drivers: GL acceleration did not work
[12:24] <knome> ok. i suppose you will be ok then.
[12:25] <knome> (if the propietary driver helped)
[12:25] <Juanantonio> Ok, I will try in Ubuntu channel, thank you
[12:25] <knome> because the monitor is only displaying what the driver sends to it
[12:25] <knome> best you can do is connect your monitor oand boot ;)
[12:26] <Juanantonio> Having my monitorm connected before booting the PC you say?
[12:26] <knome> yes, or power off, connect and power on
[12:27] <knome> i don't know if you should do something else
[12:27] <Juanantonio> Ok. And how can I change the resolution?
[12:27] <knome> probably not, then use nvidia-settings
[12:27] <knome> or..
[12:27] <knome> display (preferences) from settings manager
[12:28] <knome> anyway you can always ask more if you're in trouble.
[12:28] <Juanantonio> Ok, and pray for that resolution appears ;)
[12:30] <Juanantonio> HDMI sound depends on digital out mixer, does not it?  mean, if I see perfect but hear nothing, I will go for Mixer digital out
[12:30] <knome> i have no idea.
[12:31] <Juanantonio> Ok, knome, thanksa
[12:31] <Juanantonio> lot
[12:31] <knome> np
[12:31] <Juanantonio> hehehe
[12:32] <Juanantonio> My point of view is: if vista can do it, and I passed from Vista to Kubuntu and Xubuntu, both of them will be able to do it better ;)
[12:33] <knome> Juanantonio, yes, it should be like that.
[12:33] <knome> Juanantonio, however the HW manufacturers don't always tell the specs for their HW, so we (linux folks in general) have to reverse-engineer the drivers
[12:34] <Juanantonio> Yes, I know that
[12:35] <Juanantonio> I am learning a lot since I am using 64 bits multitask multiuser multisession SO as linux
[12:37] <knome> :)
[12:38] <Juanantonio> knome, in this moment I have sessions running simultaneously in Xubuntu and Kubuntu
[12:38] <Juanantonio> Will be Windows capable of that? No way!!
[12:40] <knome> yeah.
[12:40] <knome> you're right.
[12:41] <Juanantonio> I tried even LXDE desktop with Xu applications, and the uninstalled as simple as that
[12:41] <Juanantonio> I am linux conversed, hehehe
[12:44] <Juanantonio> I want to install also X 8.10 into a laptop with a USB Sound Card, will I be able to play it? With SuSE, I wasn't able to do it
[12:48] <knome> no idea.
[12:51] <Juanantonio> I tne page hardware support for Ubuntu appear some USB sound cards, but this of mine did not, but maybe is works with another driver for another containing the same chips ;)
[12:52] <Juanantonio> I will have a look when I install all the PCs in this room with the KVM and the 22" tft
[12:54] <Juanantonio> I know that also Ati 7000 and Ati 9000 can display 1680*1050, so I am very happy with this purchase
[13:00] <knome> Juanantonio, why be staisfied with one 22"? i have 2x widescreen 24" attached to one pc ;)
[13:01] <Juanantonio> Mmm, that's amazing, yes. You will be very satisfied ;)
[13:01] <knome> sure
[13:01] <Juanantonio> and I have seen Compiz making dreams in two monitors mode
[13:02] <knome> heh, i don't use compiz ;)
[13:02] <Juanantonio> Why?
[13:03] <knome> uhm.. i like simple things.
[13:03] <Juanantonio> I have customized it to use it with shortcuts, to be the fastest way to see my desktops and windows
[13:04] <Juanantonio> I don't like using the mouse
[13:04] <knome> me neither, but keyboard shortcuts can be used without compiz also
[13:05] <Juanantonio> Yes, but with Compiz are more direct, at least for me, of course
[13:05] <knome> hmm.
[13:05] <Juanantonio> You have the two monitors connected via DVI, I suppose
[13:05] <knome> yeah. could be with hdmi as well, but i'd need a new GC
[13:06] <Juanantonio> Yes. Which resolutions display 24"?
[13:06] <knome> 1920x1200
[13:07] <Juanantonio> cool, wonderful. What are you using your PC?, if I can ask you so
[13:07] <knome> oh, what for? i have a company here in finland + i'm the marketing lead of xubuntu ;)
[13:08] <knome> mostly graphics/web design
[13:08] <knome> and ircing with a CLI client ;)
[13:08] <Juanantonio> buff, hehehe. You are a machine...almost
[13:08] <Juanantonio> ;)
[13:08] <knome> naah.. not really ;)
[13:09] <knome> but anyway, once you have two monitors for a short while, you can't live with one anymore
[13:09] <knome> that accidentally happened to me first
[13:09] <Juanantonio> Nice to meet you, I am back in 20 minutes, I am having lunch, You know Spanish timetables
[13:09] <knome> then i updated my 17" and 19" to these
[13:09] <knome> i have to go in 5
[13:09] <knome> but maybe we see later
[13:10] <knome> i'm *very* often online
[13:10] <Juanantonio> Well, knome, I have this one and the TFT. I can try to have both
[13:10] <knome> sure
[13:10] <Juanantonio> Yes, thank you. Have a nice day
[13:10] <knome> you too.
[13:10] <knome> bye :)
[13:10] <Juanantonio> Bye
[13:10] <knome> hello everybody o/
[13:29] <slow-motion> hi
[13:30] <nikolam> just one short question for people here.
[13:30] <nikolam> .. how do you play MIDI files (.mid)?
[13:31] <nikolam> I use Hardy/64bit
[13:31] <nikolam> I even have Rosegarden installed and can see notes but iy won`t play.
[13:32] <nikolam> (Failed to connect to JACK audio server) I even installed JACK
[13:35] <gabkdlly> nikolam: timidity can play midi files
[13:36] <gabkdlly> not sure if it works with rosegarden (I don't even know what rosegarden is)
[13:36] <nikolam> rosegarden is midi editor etc
[13:37] <nikolam> midi is music standard for notetaking and musical instruments note information exchange
[13:37] <nikolam> 10x gabkdlly i will see it
[13:38] <nikolam> It was just strange for me that it wasn`t playing in any application i tryed to, and risegarden wanted Jack server etc.
[13:38] <gabkdlly> you installed jackd?
[13:38] <gabkdlly> qjackctl is also suggested for rosegarden
[13:39] <gabkdlly> you can always see what packages are recommended and suggested on packages.ubuntu.com
[13:40] <nikolam> ah i have qjackctl installed
[13:41] <gabkdlly> hmm, that should have pulled in jackd (at least it does when installing with aptitude)
[13:41] <gabkdlly> looks like apt-get would have as wel
[13:44] <nikolam> uhh i was never thinking that simply playing one .mid file will require reading documentation. hm
[13:45] <nikolam> I found something https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Midi/SoftwareSynthesisHowTo
[13:45] <nikolam> installing timidity
[14:04] <nikolam> uh, if anyone remembers where I set what program opens dvd?
[14:04] <nikolam> I forgot
[14:05] <nikolam> and totem as default don`t play dvd: on insert
[14:13] <jarnos> nikolam: Removable drives and media in Settings.
[14:31] <nikolam> ah yes, 10x jarnos :)
[15:36] <tingle> hi, i cant open encrypted dvds could someone help me out?
[15:36] <TheSheep> !dvd
[15:36] <ubottu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[15:40] <tingle> ty
[16:10] <flammenwurfer> hi guys, I recently installed the newest ATI video driver from the Intrepid Proposed repo to fix the video issues when playing 3D games
[16:11] <flammenwurfer> Now, my login screen is kind of messed up.  It doesn't fill the whole monitor
[16:11] <flammenwurfer> once I login however everything is fine
[17:42] <paolo_> hi. which program can I use so to manage wi-fi connection ?
[17:42] <paolo_> hi. which program can I use so to manage wireless connections ?
[17:44] <kahrn> NetworkManager comes with Xubuntu
[17:46] <paolo_> ok, thanks
[17:47] <rocko> there is a bug
[17:47] <rocko> in thunar
[17:47] <rocko> when I check show hidden files and uncheck it goes away but not for other things
[17:48] <rocko> like when the dialog opens up for firefox to select where to download it shows the hidden files now
[17:48] <rocko> and it did not before until I did the show and it is not currently checked in thunar and it is still doing it
[17:49] <paolo_> kahrn: how can I launch it ?
[17:50] <kahrn> paolo_, it should already be running iirc
[17:50] <kahrn> top panel, in/near system tray
[17:51] <paolo_> kahrn: I can't see the top panel anymore
[17:51] <paolo_> is there a way to launch it manually ?
[17:51] <paolo_> (I don't use xubuntu, but kubuntu with xfce)
[17:51] <kahrn> you can launch it manually
[17:52] <kahrn> iirc it's nm-applet..
[17:52] <paolo_> which is its command ?
[17:52] <kahrn> yeah
[17:52] <paolo_> i don't have any command which starts with network*
[17:53] <kahrn> /usr/bin/nm-applet ?
[17:53] <paolo_> ah ok! thanks!
[17:53] <rocko> /usr/bin/nm-applet is da a website?
[17:54] <rocko> just joking hehehe
[17:54] <kahrn> o_O
[18:06] <paolo_> kahrn: I've just tried nm-connection-editor ...  I can edit the connection but there's no way to start it
[18:07] <paolo_> in addition, I can't launch nm-applet
[18:07] <kahrn> sudo /etc/init.d/NetworkManager start
[18:07] <kahrn> and then maybe sudo nm-applet might help
[18:07] <kahrn> not actually sure though.. but worth a try :)
[18:09] <paolo_> sudo /etc/init.d/NetworkManager start <--- it's ok , but then ?
[18:09] <paolo_> kahrn:
[18:09] <paolo_> (nm doesn't launch yet
[18:10] <paolo_> nm-applet)
[18:10] <kahrn> are you sure it is not running? ps -A | grep nm-*
[18:11] <paolo_> kahrn:  8280 ?        00:00:01 nm-system-setti
[18:12] <kahrn> so when you start nm-applet, why does it not start?
[18:12] <paolo_> kahrn: (nm-applet:813): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
[18:13] <kahrn> have you tried 'sudo nm-applet' ?
[18:14] <paolo_> kahrn: yes
[18:14] <kahrn> ok
[18:14] <kahrn> I'm stumped then :)
[18:14] <paolo_> ok, thanks anyway for your help :)
[18:14] <paolo_> maybe I have to install xubuntu alone, instead of kubuntu with xfce
[18:15] <kahrn> might be worth trying wicd instead
[18:15] <paolo_> what is wicd ?
[18:15] <kahrn> alternative to NetworkManager
[18:15] <paolo_> I don't have it in the package list
[18:16] <paolo_> ok, found it
[18:16] <paolo_> let's try
[18:23] <paolo__> kahrn: great! thanks
[18:25] <paolo__> now, I have one last problem... I can't see the taskbar anymore... It has disappeared and now I dunno how to recover it
[18:26] <kahrn> ouch
[18:27] <kahrn> tried running 'xfce4-panel' ?
[19:14] <csc_> is there a way to not be prompted for installing updates of specific packages only ? i have an updater daemon running on the desktop but i dont want to unselect the packages i modified for my needs  each time
[19:16] <jarnos> csc_: I wish there was.
[19:22] <paolo_> hi, how can I avoid that the xfce panel doesn't overlap applications (or viceversa)
[19:23] <jarnos> I wish there was a way to mark a package update as seen so that the tray icon would not be there for that update only. It should be possible to mark it without giving a password, to make it fast.
[19:36] <TheSheep> jarnos: why?
[19:37] <TheSheep> .oO(update notifier is the first thing I uninstall)
[19:39] <jarnos> TheSheep: Suppose you have some package that you get daily updates for, but you don't use every day. It is better to get updates before you use the application, not when they come available.
[19:40] <TheSheep> why? in-version updates are just bug fixes anywys
[19:41] <jarnos> TheSheep: If you use update-manager, it shows the icon, if there is at least one update available. It doesn't really notify you, if you don't update all.
[19:41] <jarnos> TheSheep: You can update more by one password givinig.
[19:42] <jarnos> ^giving
[19:42] <TheSheep> the question is, why would you want to do selective updates in the first place?
[19:42] <TheSheep> if the updates are bugfixes
[19:44] <jarnos> TheSheep: Well, I do security updates automatically.
[19:45] <jarnos> TheSheep: I suppose I can't get all updates install automatically.
[19:50] <jarnos> TheSheep: Sometimes installing some updates is not as urgent than installing others. You may prefer to install unurgent ones with urgent ones, once the latter updates are available. Less authentication job. Using update manager takes time...
[20:27] <Bongolian> Hello. Am trying to use the menu editor to customize where certain applications go. For instance, I'm trying to put Twhirl (Twitter client) under the network category but am seeing no easy way to do this. Maybe I'm missing something?
[20:30] <knome> Bongolian, editing the .desktop file for twirl should  work.
[20:31] <Bongolian> what's the file path?
[20:31] <Bongolian> if I can edit it then I should be good to go
[20:31] <knome> i am not sure - search with catfish
[20:32] <knome> or eh, i think it's not included in intrepid
[20:32] <knome> at least by default
[20:32] <Bongolian> Catfish seems to be pulling up a number of files. Perhaps it would be (name).desktop?
[20:32] <knome> yes.
[20:38] <Bongolian> well it does not seem to be there thought it is installed in the /opt folder and runs
[20:40] <knome> Bongolian, did you search 'Twhirl.desktop' also?
[20:40] <knome> Bongolian, (note casing)
[20:41] <ablomen> twirl == adobe air, and i havnt seen air making .desktop files
[20:41] <Bongolian> I did and it's not there for some reason.
[20:42] <Bongolian> though I did notice that there's a de.makesoft.twhirl. and some seemingly random characters after this
[20:42] <ablomen> except for in ~/Desktop that is
[20:43] <Bongolian> interesting. I see there is a corresponding icon for it under usr/share/applications
[20:43] <knome> Bongolian, and the name is? :)
[20:43] <Bongolian> just that I can't tweak it under Mousepad
[20:44] <Bongolian> twhirl
[20:44] <knome> Bongolian, you need to be administrator. alt+f2: 'gksudo mousepad /usr/share/applications/twhirl.desktop'
[20:45] <Bongolian> I added the Categories=Network to twhirl when I open it in Mousepad and I get "can't open file to write".
[20:45] <knome> Bongolian, see previous line Å
[20:45] <knome> Bongolian, Å=^
[20:45] <Bongolian> will do. just noticed that....
[20:46] <knome> :)
[21:11] <rocko> PCMANFM KICKS ASS
[21:12] <jarnos> rocko: Why do you think so?
[21:13] <rocko> because thunar freezes on me a lot
[21:13] <rocko> and pcmanfm does not
[21:13] <rocko> pcmanfm was tabs
[21:13] <rocko> thunar does not
[21:13] <rocko> pcmanfm uses less ram
[21:13] <rocko> *has tabs
[21:14] <jarnos> rocko: I think tabs are a handy when you e.g. copy/move something to another folder.
[21:15] <rocko> yes they are
[21:15] <rocko> that is what I use them for
[21:15] <jarnos> rocko: What if you could switch easily between Thunar windows?
[21:16] <rocko> well I really do not care for that
[21:16] <kahrn> hm I might have to check out pcmanfm.. looks good
[21:16] <rocko> because thunar freezes on me too much
[21:16] <kahrn> does it integrate well with xfce?
[21:16] <rocko> so of
[21:16] <rocko> you have to let it manage the desktop
[21:17] <rocko> if you want it to open up when you click on the desktop icons for folders ..etc
[21:17] <rocko> I just setup a keyboard shortcut to open up pcmanfm
[21:17] <rocko> the same as in windows
[21:18] <rocko> winkey+e
[21:18] <rocko> or mac+e
[21:18] <rocko> cause I am on a mac keyboard
[21:19] <rocko> super_L+e for linux
[21:19] <rocko> how can you jarnos ?
[21:20] <jarnos> rocko: Well, I think it could be a new feature in Xfce to cycle between windows of an application: http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4788
[21:20] <jarnos> rocko: by e.g. Ctrl-Tab
[21:22] <jarnos> rocko: Alt-Tab cycles between all windows, you know.
[21:24] <jarnos> rocko: does pcmanfm take over your desktop once you install it?
[21:25] <jarnos> rocko: or how do you let it manage the desktop?
[21:26] <rocko> yes I know that
[21:26] <rocko> no you have to manually do it
[21:26] <kahrn> mmph
[21:27] <kahrn> I think I might end up going back to fluxbox
[21:27] <rocko> fluxbox is nice
[21:28] <rocko> kahrn you can get icons on the desktop via pcmanfm on fluxbox too
[21:29] <rocko> jarnos you have to manually check it for managing the desktop
[21:29] <rocko> in its preferences
[21:29] <jarnos> rocko: yes. You don't have "file system" shortcut in pcmanfm.
[21:30] <rocko> you have to first disabled fxce management of the desktop though
[21:30] <rocko> what do you mean by that jarnos ?
[21:31] <jarnos> rocko: In Thunar you have "File System" item in side pane.
[21:31] <rocko> yes you do
[21:31] <rocko> in pcmanfm
[21:32] <jarnos> rocko: what it is called there?
[21:32] <rocko> Volume
[21:32] <rocko> for my main hard drive
[21:32] <rocko> and it is the normal name for the external one
[21:35] <rocko> jarnos view - side pane - show location pane or show directory tree
[21:35] <rocko> it has bookmarks too
[21:35] <rocko> so you can bookmark certain folders so they come up on the side pane with the other folders below the line
[21:37] <rocko> jarnos are you a developer for xubuntu?
[21:41] <jarnos> rocko: Not, but in #xfce there is a new guy called paolo_ who wants to contribute something. I am just a bug reporter and may I say a  visionaire.
[21:42] <rocko> I see
[21:42] <jarnos> rocko: And you may find more Xubuntu developers at #xubuntu-devel
[21:42] <rocko> ok
[21:42] <rocko> thanks
[21:42] <jarnos> rocko: you are welcome.
[21:43] <rocko> another cool thing about pcmanfm
[21:44] <rocko> is that you can have a termial open up in the current directory of the folder you are currently in at with pcmanfm
[21:44] <jarnos> rocko: I have 9 Volume items in pcmanfm. Not so easy to tell which is which.
[21:45] <jarnos> rocko: you can do that in Thunar, too.
[21:45] <rocko> I see
[21:45] <rocko> how
[21:46] <Melik> XFCE is so much better than gnome :) i just installed it last night, and wow.
[21:46] <rocko> well I am not really liking thunar since it freezes a lot
[21:46] <rocko> pcmanfm has not so far for me
[21:46] <rocko> so that is way I like it better
[21:47] <rocko> I just want a file manager that is going to work
[21:47] <rocko> and not freeze on me
[21:47] <jarnos> rocko: right-click on a folder.
[21:48] <jarnos> rocko: but it opens terminal in that folder, not current one.
[21:48] <rocko> I put my hardware to really heavy use so maybe that is why thunar freezes a lot
[21:49] <jarnos> rocko: Actually that is a custom action that you can add in Edit > Configure custom actions... Pretty nice feature.
[21:49] <jarnos> rocko: It has newer done it for me.
[21:49] <rocko> I see
[21:49] <rocko> this is a brand new install
[21:49] <rocko> and it does it to me all the time
[21:52] <jarnos> rocko: What release?
[21:53] <rocko> 8.10
[21:55] <jarnos> cody-somerville: You asked sometime what could Thunar learn from pcmanfm. The latter has handy way to change between directory tree and shortcuts at the bottom of the pane.
[21:56] <jarnos> rocko: I see. Could freezing has something to do with volume management?
[21:57] <jarnos> rocko: in thunar preferences / advanced.
[22:09] <jarnos> cody-somerville: I use directory view very seldom, though.
[22:10] <kahrn> It'd be nice for thunar to have tabbed browsing... but I think that was already rejected.
[22:11] <rocko> pcmanfm is where it is at
[22:19] <jarnos> Some new ideas updated here; an alternative for tabs and would work for every application, not just file manager: http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4788
[22:22] <jarnos> Melik: I like it more than gnome, too.
[22:32] <Melik> jarnos, gnome is way too bloated
[22:34] <Melik> xfce, is way nicer, simpler, stable, faster, and lightweight :)
[22:46] <kahrn> I dunno
[22:46] <kahrn> after you've used fluxbox you kinda just thing everything is bloated
[22:46] <rocko> fluxbox is NICE :D
[22:46] <Melik> ive used fluxbox
[22:46] <Melik> wasnt too fond of it :$
[22:47] <rocko> what do you mean?
[22:47] <rocko> it is really easy to compile too
[22:47] <rocko> takes less than firefox
[22:48] <rocko> theses fluxbox themes are my favorite kahrn http://tenr.de/styles/
[22:50] <kahrn> yeah, fluxbox is great, but it must be configured extensively to be so
[22:50] <rocko> yeah but the config files are fairly easy
[22:50] <rocko> to use
[22:51] <rocko> compared to config files to other desktop environments
[22:56] <jarnos> rocko: Like icewm?
[22:56] <jarnos> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Devilspie suggests there is gdevilspie in some repository. But I can't find it in any.
[23:09] <Mooch> does anyone have a linmodem?
[23:11] <rocko> huh?
[23:11] <Mooch> a winmodem where a modem has a hack code what I was told
[23:12] <Mooch> I have a modem that was made for windows but some drivers were made to work with linux
[23:13] <Mooch> anyways I am having a hard time upgrading my comp because the moment I do this my modem won't be detected
[23:15] <Mooch> don't have the $$$$ to buy an external at the moment so I 'm trying to get this system to work right so if anyone has any suggestions let me know
[23:28] <nikolam> Mooch, use lspci to identify what modem U use. Also you can see on the card what chip it is on it. I suppose it is PCI modem card.
[23:36] <rocko> lspci, lshw, dmidecode Mooch
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[23:55] <PorkSod1> nikolam: how do you look up the kernel version
[23:56] <nikolam> uname -a
[23:56] <PorkSod1> in the terminal right
[23:57] <PorkSod1> 2.6.15-23-k7
[23:58] <PorkSod1> nikolam: so the version must have updated correct
[23:59] <nikolam> it looks old to me.
[23:59] <nikolam> see what is in /boot/grub/menu.lst