| [00:11] <CppIsWeird> xfdesktop & still kills it when i kill the terminal | |
| [00:11] <CppIsWeird> how is it started initially? | |
| [00:18] <forces> ??? | |
| [00:46] <R1cochet> CppIsWeird: try starting it from alt-f2 | |
| [01:14] <Ish> ubuntu is full of fools | |
| [01:15] <Ish> what's a good ftp server? | |
| [01:15] <knome> excuse me? | |
| [01:15] <Ish> #ubuntu i mean | |
| [01:15] <Ish> they answered "Food transfer?" | |
| [01:15] <knome> good ftp server -for what? | |
| [01:16] <Ish> i just need a single user to upload to a single directory for any given period of time, the program running at the other end will just require the basic, access at port 21, transfer on port 20, it's not even really that specific | |
| [01:17] <Ish> on this end it just has to sit and wait. vsftpd's conf didn't seem that great, so i figured i'd see what you all run | |
| [01:17] <Ish> of course it can run more than that, but that's the bare requirements i need | |
| [01:18] <knome> i've used proftpd | |
| [01:18] <knome> i think its configuration files are quite straightforward | |
| [01:18] <Ish> kk, i'll git that now, thanks :D more of an answer than #ubuntu | |
| [01:19] <knome> sometimes there's a lot of going in #ubuntu or then there is just people who want to spend their time doing nothing. | |
| [01:19] <knome> in #xubuntu we don't have that problem as we're always lacking users in the channel. | |
| [01:19] * knome knocks on wood | |
| [01:20] <Ish> already looks a lot better | |
| [01:21] <knome> ok. i'll go to sleep as it's already 3am here. | |
| [01:21] <knome> see you and good luck! | |
| [01:23] <Ish> get some sleep, and thanks | |
| [01:27] <durt> hey folks, how does one change screensaver preferences in xfce 4.6? | |
| [01:29] <charlie-tca> durt: Applications -> Settings -> Screensavers about halfway down the column | |
| [01:29] <durt> i've seen it, doesn't do anything | |
| [01:31] <charlie-tca> It doesn't really do anything, huh? Can you file a bug on it, and let me know the number? | |
| [01:31] <charlie-tca> Otherwise, I'll file it tomorrow, but it takes two to confirm it | |
| === Flare183 is now known as Drayton | |
| [01:32] <durt> well, I'm not sure what it's expected action is. | |
| === Drayton is now known as Flare183 | |
| [01:33] <charlie-tca> Should change the screensaver to whatever is selected, but I don't see anywhere to set the time, lock, etc | |
| [01:34] <durt> ya, that's what I need. | |
| [01:34] <charlie-tca> If that doesn't exist, it would be a bug | |
| [01:39] <charlie-tca> durt: I went through every choice in settings, it doesn't seem to exist | |
| [01:39] <rocko> rocko's modern life | |
| [02:29] <victoria> hello! | |
| [02:29] <victoria> can someone help me. please. i just download the new splash screen that i want | |
| [02:30] <victoria> i want to change it for the one on default | |
| [02:30] <charlie-tca> !themes | |
| [02:30] <ubottu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy | |
| [02:31] <forces> FLISOL 2009 is near!! | |
| [02:31] <forces> I can feel it! | |
| [02:31] <forces> u.u | |
| [02:31] <victoria> charlie-tca: i already know that webpage... actually there is where i got the splash.. but now is just a tar.gz file | |
| [02:31] <victoria> i actually need instructions to make it work! | |
| [02:31] <victoria> lol | |
| [02:31] <forces> !flisol | |
| [02:31] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flisol | |
| [02:31] <charlie-tca> !changethemes | |
| [02:31] <ubottu> Themes for Xfce4 are simply GTK2+ themes which means Gnome themes are also compatible with your xfce4 desktop. To install themes, unpack it in ~/.themes/ To install icons, unpack them to ~/.icons/ - Visit http://www.xfce-look.org/ for all kinds of eyecandy for your Xfce4 desktop! - See also !themes for other GNOME theme sites | |
| [02:32] <charlie-tca> Does that help at all? | |
| [02:32] <victoria> nooooo | |
| [02:32] <victoria> not theme | |
| [02:32] <victoria> i mean splash screen | |
| [02:32] <victoria> hmmm | |
| [02:32] <charlie-tca> I don't seem to know, then. Sorry | |
| [02:32] <victoria> kkkk | |
| [02:33] <victoria> np\ | |
| [02:39] <bigjigalo> hello. the packed kernel version for xubuntu is 2.6.27-generic, is that higher or lower than linux-2.6.27-rc7.tar.bz2, ? | |
| [02:43] <PKodon> bigjigalo: Hi. Not sure, but the "rc7" part indicates it's a release candidate. if the generic one is supposed to be the actual released version, then the release candidate is older. | |
| [02:58] <charlie-tca> bigjigalo: I show 2.6.27.11 in Intrepid 8.10 | |
| [02:58] <charlie-tca> -rc7 is definitely older | |
| [03:05] <CppIsWeird> i installed ubuntu then installed the xubuntu package. i only ever use the xfce interface. when i first boot, the desktop and icons are actually gnome, the panels and menu's etc. are xfce. how do i change for xfce to manage my desktop by default? | |
| [03:06] <charlie-tca> Do you select xfce session when you log in? | |
| [03:18] <PKodon> charlie-tca: I talked to someone last night who had disabled their login screen (I didn't know you could do that), so they had to turn it back on to pick a different session. | |
| [03:18] <hollywoodb> CppIsWeird: if you run `nautilus` I believe by default it draws the desktop background and icons. If nautilus is running in your xfce session, remove it. I think the proper way to run it is `nautilus --no-desktop` | |
| [03:19] <charlie-tca> PKodon: I can see having to turn it back on to change the session you log into. Doesn't seem unreasonable, since the GDM is graphical | |
| [03:20] <CppIsWeird> charlie-tca, yeah. | |
| [03:20] <PKodon> charlie-tca: Yeah, I suppose, and if you live by yourself and aren't doing anything on your computer that needs security, I guess you wouldn't need the login screen. | |
| [03:21] <CppIsWeird> and it goes into xfce, i have the xfce panels, but the desktop and icons are gnome. i have to go to applications > settings > settings manager > Desktop > Enable "allow xfce to manage the desktop" | |
| [03:21] <charlie-tca> I don't know why it shouldn't save the settings. Do you save the session when quitting? | |
| [03:22] <CppIsWeird> i dont know. how do i determine this? it seems to me i think it is. should it not be? | |
| [03:23] <charlie-tca> Should be a checkbox when you click the Quit icon, before you hit shutdown | |
| [03:23] <charlie-tca> Gnome is pretty strong, it does try to keep control of everything. | |
| [03:24] <CppIsWeird> bad gnome. | |
| [03:24] <charlie-tca> If it was a person, it would be a dictator, I think | |
| [03:24] <CppIsWeird> meh, im going to try an apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop, see how far i get. | |
| [03:25] <charlie-tca> Good luck. | |
| [03:25] <CppIsWeird> ty. :) | |
| [03:26] <charlie-tca> Although, I think it will just remove that. ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage that pulls in all the gnome stuff, but removes very little | |
| [03:28] <CppIsWeird> hmm | |
| [03:28] <CppIsWeird> says i dont have it anyways... *shrugs* | |
| [03:29] <charlie-tca> It is much easier to install the environments than to remove them. | |
| [03:31] <bigjigalo> hello i have a new fresh out the box sony vaoi 4gb ram/ 250gb laptop and my question is which xubuntu to download? windows is already runnning it at x64 | |
| [03:31] <charlie-tca> The easiest way I know of is to install Xubuntu fresh. You can go into synaptic package manager, right click Xubuntu-desktop, and click properties | |
| [03:31] <charlie-tca> Then make a list of everything and remove what is not in your list | |
| [03:32] <CppIsWeird> what does rc stand for at the end of some of the config files in the home directory, like gtkrc, bashrc, and dmrc? | |
| [03:32] <charlie-tca> Download the amd64 versions, then. Although either will work, 32bit will only use 3.2GB ram | |
| [03:33] <charlie-tca> CppIsWeird: Can not remember all of it, but it is the configuration file | |
| [03:33] <charlie-tca> Maybe "root configuration" | |
| [03:33] <CppIsWeird> but im not running as root | |
| [03:34] <charlie-tca> No, but most of those require you to access them as root, using sudo | |
| [03:34] <CppIsWeird> ah | |
| [03:34] <CppIsWeird> interesting, inside .dmrc, [Desktop] Session=xfce4 | |
| [03:35] <charlie-tca> Yeah, leave .dmrc alone! | |
| [03:35] <charlie-tca> That is the only file to ever give me real headaches for messing with it | |
| [03:38] <CppIsWeird> lol | |
| [03:38] <CppIsWeird> yes sir! | |
| [03:38] <CppIsWeird> :P | |
| [03:38] <charlie-tca> :-) | |
| [03:39] <CppIsWeird> hows about .gconf, whats that? i see a folder in there called gnome. | |
| [03:39] <CppIsWeird> gconf stand for gnome configuration? | |
| [03:39] <bigjagolo> charlie-tca: hrm so which would u do? its like wasting .8g of ram | |
| [03:40] <charlie-tca> Go ahead and look in it. It is your configuration for your user. Most of it can be deleted and it will rebuild itself | |
| [03:40] <CppIsWeird> heh | |
| [03:41] <CppIsWeird> fine then, *deletes it and reboots* | |
| [03:42] <charlie-tca> all of it? or just gnome? | |
| [03:42] <bigjagolo> can i quick vote here... new vaoi 4gb ram.. 250hd .. which version to install x86 or x64? ... x86 has better debugging support while x64 takes advantage of full ram | |
| [03:43] <bigjagolo> arent new laptops gonna be 6-8gb and run x64 anyways? | |
| [03:43] <charlie-tca> personal choice | |
| [03:43] <CppIsWeird> ... all of it, but i can put it back, i made a backup. :P | |
| [03:44] <charlie-tca> Should work, then :-) | |
| [03:47] <merther> Can someone help me get connected to my wireless network. The network is detected in the network manager but I'm unable to connect using my wpa password. wpasupplicant is installed in the system. | |
| [03:47] <charlie-tca> gotta go to bed. Good night | |
| [03:47] <CppIsWeird> later | |
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| [04:04] <merther> Can someone help connecting to my wireless network through network manager? It keeps rejecting my wpa password. wpasupplicant is installed. | |
| [04:07] <PKodon> merther: What hardware are you using for wireless? | |
| [04:08] <R1cochet> cant get GnoMenu to show up in add-to-panel | |
| [04:08] <merther> BCM4306 | |
| [04:09] <PKodon> merther: Hmm, well, I don't know as the fix I had to do would work, then. You'd have to know what chipset it uses first. | |
| [04:10] <merther> PKodon: thought that was the chipset for the wireless | |
| [04:10] <PKodon> merther: I have a Linksys WMP54G, and work/live at a small motel/guest house which has it's own wireless router. Network manager messed up the WEP passcode. | |
| [04:11] <merther> PKodon: the router is Belkin G+ MIMO | |
| [04:11] <PKodon> merther: The chipset in my linksys uses an rt61pci driver. | |
| [04:11] <merther> PKodon: I know the password is correct and when I enter the password in to the network manager it stores the hex version of it. | |
| [04:12] <PKodon> merther: Yes, but when it hands it off to the card or the access point, it messes it up. | |
| [04:12] <PKodon> merther: I ended up installing RutilT and disabling network manager. | |
| [04:13] <PKodon> merther: But, I don't know if RutilT will work for your card. | |
| [04:14] <merther> I could try that software. I'm not sure of the chipset of the router. Unfortunately I keep failing also at manually editing the /etc/network/interfaces also. There's always something that messes up in there. | |
| [04:16] <PKodon> merther: When you bring up device manager, what does it say your wireless adapter is? | |
| [04:20] <merther> PKodon: BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller | |
| [04:23] <PKodon> merther: Okay, then that probably is what it considers the chipset to be. You need something that will work with that. Synaptic says RutilT is a "configuration tool for rt2x00 wireless network cards". | |
| [04:24] <merther> PKodon: I wouldn't mind even manually doing it with /etc/network/interfaces so long as I could get it working. | |
| [04:25] <PKodon> My card is listed as an RT25612/RT61 802.11g wireless controller card. | |
| [04:25] <PKodon> Er, that's RT2561/RT61... | |
| [04:26] <merther> PKodon: so would doing it manually with /etc/network/interfaces be a better option? | |
| [04:29] <PKodon> merther: The only thing I can find in Synaptic for that are two utilities that pull firmware out of your adapter. | |
| [04:31] <PKodon> That's only for getting a driver, not for fixing connection problems. Have you done a Google search for "BCM4306 WEP Ubuntu" ? | |
| [04:32] <PKodon> merther: And, as for your manual hacking of the config, I don't have any experience with that. | |
| [04:32] <merther> PKodon: They just released a native driver for my chipset last month. | |
| [04:33] <PKodon> merther: Okay, but the driver isn't the problem, that mostly helps you get the best speed out of it, once it's connected. The problem is the way network manager handles WEP passcodes. | |
| [04:34] <PKodon> merther: What you see isn't what your access point gets. | |
| [04:35] <PKodon> merther: I found a lot of web pages dealing with that problem in relation to my card, on Debian, Ubuntu, and many other forums. | |
| [04:35] <merther> PKodon: True, just more that since this chip set wouldn't work even with ndiswrapper before there's not much on it in the way of posts as far as i've found after it can actually detect a wireless network | |
| [04:35] <PKodon> merther: If it's the same problem, then, like me, you need a solution tailored for your card. | |
| [04:37] <PKodon> merther: Ahh. Now there's the big difference. Mine worked with an unsecured access point without ndiswrapper, but worked faster with ndiswrapper. | |
| [04:37] <PKodon> merther: I hate to say it, but you may have gotten the wrong wireless card for use with Linux, at least till there's more support out there. | |
| [04:38] <merther> bcm43x is horrible for my chipset. didn't work at all. This whole chipset is horrible. Ya they just released the driver for it last month. At least it can detect wireless networks now. | |
| [04:38] <merther> when my wife goes to bed perhaps I'll test with other authentication types and see what I get. | |
| [04:39] <PKodon> Well, do all the experimenting you want, but I'd try everything that's worked for others, first. | |
| [04:39] <bigjagolo> can i quick vote here... new vaoi 4gb ram.. 250hd .. which version to install x86 or x64? ... x86 has better debugging support while x64 takes advantage of full ram | |
| [04:39] <bigjagolo> PKodon: which would u do? | |
| [04:39] <PKodon> And if nothing works well, I'd just bite the bullet and go get something that has more support for it. | |
| [04:40] <PKodon> bigjagolo: Which processor? | |
| [04:40] <bigjagolo> intel centrino duo | |
| [04:41] <PKodon> Is that a 64-bit chip? | |
| [04:41] <CppIsWeird> can anyone figure why i am using xfce as my session and i get the xfce panels and i even see the xfce desktop load, but then the gnome desktop (just the background image and icons, not gnome panels or anything) loads over the xfce desktop. the xfce panels are still there. | |
| [04:42] <bigjagolo> PKodon: windows has 64bit running on it which i am on now.. but actual devicemanager says intel core duo t6400 2ghz | |
| [04:42] <PKodon> CppIsWeird: Were you the one who installed xfce after installing Ubuntu (with gnome)? | |
| [04:43] <CppIsWeird> PKodon, yeah, thanks for remembering. :P | |
| [04:43] <PKodon> bigjagolo: Okay, from what you're saying, I take it you don't know a lot about hardware. If you're running 64-bit Windows, then you should be able to run 64-bit Linux. | |
| [04:43] <CppIsWeird> ive been playing with it for a while. | |
| [04:44] <CppIsWeird> messing with config files and such. i cant seem to make a useful google query so im still blinldly guessing | |
| [04:44] <j1mc> bigjagolo: i would recommend 64-bit | |
| [04:44] <bigjagolo> PKodon: its a new laptop fresh out the box.. 4gb ram... am trying to install linux on it... 3.2gb ram someoen said x86 would take up and it would be good for debugging | |
| [04:44] <PKodon> CppIsWeird: Okay, someone asked you if you still had a gnome program running, let me scroll back and see... | |
| [04:45] <bigjagolo> PKodon: so i guess x64 is the best move since its already running on windows | |
| [04:45] <j1mc> you won't miss out on anything with 64-bit linux, and you'll get full use of your ram | |
| [04:48] <PKodon> CppIsWeird: Okay, bring up the process manager and see if "nautilus" is still running. | |
| [04:50] <esp1> morning all, | |
| [04:51] <CppIsWeird> PK, it is | |
| [04:52] <CppIsWeird> ive so far ended every gnome thing i can find, accept i cant end gdm, for obvious reasons (and if they are not obvious, it makes my whole gui dissappear, is that not supposed to happen? :P ) | |
| [04:52] <PKodon> CppIsWeird: Then, according to the other person, that's why you're still seeing parts of gnome. | |
| [04:53] <CppIsWeird> hmm... interesting | |
| [04:54] <PKodon> CppIsWeird: Well, after my experience with my own "Frankenlinux", I ended up just reinstalling. If you want XFCE as your interface, either do a fresh install of Xubuntu, or go the route I did - get PC/OS 2009. | |
| [04:56] <esp1> might try something like sudo apt-get reinstall xubuntu-desktop.... | |
| [04:57] <PKodon> CppIsWeird: No, that just reinstalls the desktop, not the whole system. It won't purge the system of gnome, and you don't want to get rid of gnome completely, anyway. | |
| [04:57] <merther> I disabled the security on the router and attempted to connect using terminal in the steps from http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-troubleshoot-wireless-network-connection-in-ubuntu.html | |
| [04:58] <esp1> you want to compleetely purge gnome? | |
| [04:58] <merther> In there it fails too. says no DHCPOFFERS received. | |
| [04:58] <merther> not sure if it matters but it's doing DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 3... but my subnet is 255.255.255.0 | |
| [04:59] <PKodon> esp1: Well, not the stuff that he needs to support gnome programs, but he needs to do something to get it not to run the gnome desktop management software. | |
| [04:59] <PKodon> merther: You've gone way beyond my experience, so I hope someone else can help you. | |
| [04:59] <esp1> replace gdm with kdm 'sudo apt-get install kdm' | |
| [05:00] <merther> no worries. Thanks for the help :) | |
| [05:00] <PKodon> esp1: Won't that make him use KDE? | |
| [05:00] <PKodon> esp1: What does XFCE use instead of gdm/kdm? | |
| [05:01] <esp1> it uses gdm | |
| [05:01] <esp1> by default | |
| [05:02] <esp1> merther: dhcp at 255.255.255.255 is normal | |
| [05:02] <merther> k so it's just that my computer won't work with wireless then | |
| [05:02] <CppIsWeird> im not overly concerned with fixing it for the sake of it being fixed, i really dislike the solution to any given problem being to start over. i like to learn how to fix with ive somehow managed to screw up. :P | |
| [05:03] <esp1> merther, u use mac filters? | |
| [05:03] <merther> ya but the mac address for the wireless card is in there. | |
| [05:04] <esp1> does it work if u turn it off? | |
| [05:04] <CppIsWeird> here is something interesting ive noticed... this thing has loaded the exact same configuration that i had a long time ago, terminal windows, how many of them, firefox, etc, regardless of the configuration i actually have when i shut down. where might that be located? | |
| [05:04] <esp1> !clone | |
| [05:04] <ubottu> To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « aptitude --display-format '%p' search '?installed!?automatic' > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < my-packages ; sudo aptitude install » - See also !automate | |
| [05:05] <merther> Haven't gone that far yet. Sometimes when I change a configuration on the router it resets to default settings so I try to avoid changing that. But I want to isolate as much as possible. I'll do that one next. | |
| [05:06] <esp1> u use wep or wpa? | |
| [05:07] <merther> normally wpa, but I took the password requirement off so it's open. | |
| [05:07] <esp1> tried to use static ip config's? | |
| [05:07] <merther> ya | |
| [05:08] <esp1> no need to reconfig router for static ip setup | |
| [05:08] <esp1> static working? | |
| [05:08] <merther> hadn't with wpa but haven't tried it with open. doing that now. | |
| [05:11] <esp1> just test by pinging your router, not the internet yet | |
| [05:11] <merther> esp1: does the same thing. with open security the second I click on it, it says the network connection has been disconnected. | |
| [05:12] <merther> esp1: it's not connected, ping reports network is unreachable | |
| [05:12] <merther> esp1: when it was wpa, it would continually try to connect and then fail saying authentication was required. | |
| [05:13] <merther> esp1: I'm assuming that in manual configuration I don't need to fill out BSSID? | |
| [05:14] <esp1> tried to setup using iwconfig and ifconfig? | |
| [05:15] <merther> with it open I tried the steps under open network from http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-troubleshoot-wireless-network-connection-in-ubuntu.html | |
| [05:16] <merther> esp1: no DHCPOFFERS receive on that one | |
| [05:18] <esp1> but instead of using that dhcp command try using ifconfig to set ip manually | |
| [05:19] <merther> esp1: Trying now | |
| [05:23] <merther> esp1: issue remains No DHCPOFFERS received | |
| [05:24] <esp1> well you dont need dhcp when setting ip manually | |
| [05:24] <esp1> try this first: iwlist scan | |
| [05:24] <merther> esp1: I followed the steps from the article on how to set it up manually and that was the result it gave. | |
| [05:25] <merther> esp1: wlan0 no scan results... network manager can find the network correctly though. | |
| [05:26] <esp1> ok, so it cant see your net | |
| [05:27] <esp1> u have aircrack-ng installed? | |
| [05:27] <merther> esp1: it's interesting that it doesn't see it there but network manager sees it. | |
| [05:27] <merther> esp1: dunno what that is. I could check | |
| [05:28] <esp1> u have wired connection to the net on that box? | |
| [05:29] <merther> esp1: I can, ok, hooked it up now. | |
| [05:30] <merther> esp1: did you want me to get that package? | |
| [05:30] <esp1> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install aircrack-ng | |
| [05:30] <esp1> all sudo ed | |
| [05:31] <esp1> that will make sure your system is up to date and install aircrack | |
| [05:31] <merther> esp1: does sudo only need to be for the first part or does it have to be put after each && also? | |
| [05:31] <esp1> before every apt-get | |
| [05:32] <merther> esp1: heh, looks like it's going to upgrade firefox briefly first. | |
| [05:34] <merther> esp1: ok aircrack-ng is installed now | |
| [05:35] <esp1> do sudo airmon-ng start (wlan interface) | |
| [05:35] <esp1> where you insert your interface | |
| [05:36] <merther> esp1: done | |
| [05:36] <esp1> you got a new interface now? | |
| [05:36] <esp1> mon0 maybe? | |
| [05:37] <merther> says my old interface but below the driver column it says (monitor mode enabled on mon0) | |
| [05:37] <esp1> good | |
| [05:37] <esp1> now do sudo airodump-ng mon0 | |
| [05:38] <esp1> do you see your network there? | |
| [05:38] <merther> esp1: ya | |
| [05:39] <esp1> good | |
| [05:39] <esp1> it is open? | |
| [05:39] <merther> esp1: ya | |
| [05:39] <esp1> good | |
| [05:39] <merther> esp1: mac address filtered still though, haven't turned that off. Though my mac address is added | |
| [05:40] <esp1> ctrl c to exit | |
| [05:40] <merther> k | |
| [05:41] <esp1> click on your wireless network in the gui now | |
| [05:43] <merther> esp1: didn't work. Network connection list shows two of the same connection. I think that happened when I added the BSSID into the manual connection a while back. | |
| [05:43] <esp1> i'd turn off mac filtering next...bc now we know u've checked your card | |
| [05:44] <merther> k I'll do that now and brb | |
| [05:47] <merther_> esp1: didn't work | |
| [05:47] <esp1> atleast we know it isnt that | |
| [05:48] <merther_> esp1: *nod | |
| [05:48] <esp1> your ip of the router is 192.168.1.1? | |
| [05:48] <merther_> 192.168.5.1 | |
| [05:49] <CppIsWeird> it seems i have a stuck session or something. I've turned off any session saving that I can find and every time i log in, i have the same windows in the same locations. any ideas? | |
| [05:52] <merther_> esp1: Trying the iwconfig route with the static ip with the mac filtering down just in case | |
| [05:53] <merther_> esp1: same result | |
| [05:55] <esp1> sudo ifconfig wlan-something down && dhcpclient -r wlan-something && sudo iwconfig wlan-something essid "your ssid" mode managed && sudo ifconfig wlan-something 192.168.5.29 netmask 255.255.255.0 up | |
| [05:57] <merther_> esp1: just did that part, just now. | |
| [05:57] <esp1> if u do ifconfig, does it show an ip? | |
| [05:58] <merther_> 169... | |
| [05:58] <merther_> for some reason in there though, there are two wlan0 | |
| [05:59] <esp1> reboot then | |
| [05:59] <merther_> one says wlan0:avahi | |
| [05:59] <esp1> just ignore that | |
| [05:59] <merther_> deal, rebooting | |
| [06:00] <esp1> if u'r ip started with 169 u didnt set a static ip | |
| [06:01] <merther_> esp1: makes sense. followed those steps though. | |
| === merther_ is now known as merther | |
| [06:02] <esp1> did u do exactly that or more? | |
| [06:02] <merther> I'll copy and paste... | |
| [06:03] <merther> sudo ifconfig wlan0 down | |
| [06:03] <merther> sudo dhclient -r wlan0 | |
| [06:03] <merther> sudo ifconfig wlan0 192.168.5.48 netmask 255.255.255.0 up | |
| [06:04] <merther> sudo route add default gw 192.168.5.1 | |
| [06:04] <merther> sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid "networkname" | |
| [06:04] <merther> sudo iwconfig wlan0 mode Managed | |
| [06:04] <merther> sudo dhclient wlan0 | |
| [06:05] <merther> that's what it had me do | |
| [06:05] <esp1> dont do dhcpclient | |
| [06:05] <merther> k, how about the mode part? | |
| [06:05] <esp1> mode is ok | |
| [06:06] <merther> k, trying without the last dhclient | |
| [06:07] <merther> ok, now what? do I have to do sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart? | |
| [06:08] <merther> if config shows the ip I put in | |
| [06:08] <esp1> ifconfig say? | |
| [06:08] <esp1> good | |
| [06:08] <esp1> try ping 192.168.5.1 | |
| [06:09] <merther> tried. Destination host unreachable | |
| [06:09] <esp1> iwconfig say? | |
| [06:10] <merther> 192.168.5.48 | |
| [06:10] <esp1> suer about that? | |
| [06:11] <esp1> *sure | |
| [06:11] <merther> yep, looking at it now | |
| [06:11] <esp1> not if but iw | |
| [06:11] <merther> oh sorry | |
| [06:11] <esp1> ;) | |
| [06:12] <merther> esp1: there is no ip in iwconfig, correct ESSID, Access Point: Not-Associated | |
| [06:13] <taw> what about key? | |
| [06:14] <esp1> u know the bssid of your ap? | |
| [06:14] <taw> is your wlan encrypted? | |
| [06:14] <esp1> he has open wifi now | |
| [06:14] <merther> esp1: so long as the BSSID is the mac address of the ap then yes | |
| [06:14] <esp1> and no mac-filter on | |
| [06:15] <esp1> merther, that is correct | |
| [06:15] <merther> esp1: then I know it | |
| [06:15] <taw> and you are sure essid is correct, is that case-sensitive? | |
| [06:17] <merther> The essid is correct, and has a capital letter, it's spelt correctly any time I've had to enter it. | |
| [06:21] <taw> have you run 'iwlist wlan0 scan' ? | |
| [06:21] <taw> just checking that your wlan in computer & access point work | |
| [06:22] <merther> taw: Ya, did that again just now and it does scan it. | |
| [06:22] <merther> it was having issues with that before it seems but it's scanning fine now. | |
| [06:25] <taw> next step would be sacrifice sheep, or something like that :-( | |
| [06:25] <esp1> tont think a sheep would do it....might need a cow ;P | |
| [06:27] <merther> there's no security to prevent it from connecting, it can scan and find the network. It just can't connect to it through dhcp or manual, through network manager or terminal | |
| [06:28] <taw> yeh, Gods of wlan are quite demanding | |
| [06:28] <merther> I still blame broadcom | |
| [06:28] <taw> have you rebooted lately? | |
| [06:28] <merther> ya | |
| [06:30] <taw> classic case 'everything is correct, but nothing works' | |
| [06:30] <merther> interestingly enough when I went to put in the BSSID into network manager earlier it created a new network connection on it's own that didn't put in the mac address or the bssid. | |
| [06:30] <esp1> does this work? sudo aireplay-ng -1 0 -e network-ssid -a ap-mac -h wlan-mac wlan0 | |
| [06:30] <merther> checking | |
| [06:31] <esp1> it will try to authenticate your card to the ap | |
| [06:34] <merther> says Please specify an attack mode | |
| [06:34] <merther> "aireplay-ng --help" for help. | |
| [06:35] <esp1> -1 should be the attack mode (fake authentication) | |
| [06:36] <merther> *shrug* that's a lower case L right? also should I put the ssid in quotes and I'm assuming the mac addresses have : in em too | |
| [06:36] <esp1> no number | |
| [06:36] <merther> k | |
| [06:38] <merther> k this time I got ioctl(SIOCIWMODE) failed: Device or resource busy | |
| [06:38] <esp1> lol...atleast an error | |
| [06:38] <rocko> http://www.dban.org/ | |
| [06:39] <merther> then some other things... Make sure RFMON is enabled: run airmon-ng start wlan0 <#> | |
| [06:39] <merther> and sysfs injection support was not found either | |
| [06:40] <merther> I've gotta get to sleep unfortunately though. | |
| === FaMott is now known as FaMott|Sleeps | |
| [06:41] <merther> esp1: Thanks much for all the help. | |
| [06:42] <esp1> merther, good night....maybe it will work better tomorrow | |
| [06:43] <merther> I hope so. I'll take a look into that program and see if have to get that mon0 thing up first and then the last command. | |
| [06:43] <esp1> ye it need mon | |
| [06:44] <merther> thought so. I assume it became disabled again during that reboot | |
| [06:44] <merther> do you remember the first command really quick? | |
| [06:44] <esp1> airomon-ng start wlan0 | |
| [06:44] <merther> ty | |
| [06:45] <merther> it's saying command not found for that now | |
| [06:45] <esp1> it is actually an attack tool for braking into wireless networks | |
| [06:45] <merther> airomon-ng start wlan0 | |
| [06:45] <esp1> remember sudo | |
| [06:46] <merther> same results | |
| [06:46] <esp1> airmon | |
| [06:46] <esp1> an o to manny in there | |
| [06:46] <merther> :) | |
| [06:48] <merther> same error ioctl(SIOCSIWMODE) failed: Device or resource busy. | |
| [06:49] <merther> ok. Gotta sleep now. Thanks again for the help. | |
| [06:49] <esp1> wich wifi device did u use? | |
| [06:49] <esp1> later, | |
| [06:56] <CppIsWeird> it seems i have a stuck session or something. I've turned off any session saving that I can find and every time i log in, i have the same windows in the same locations. any ideas? | |
| === xxx is now known as Guest47215 | |
| [07:28] <rocko> xxx | |
| [07:28] <rocko> Guest47215 you watch some dirty movies man XXX | |
| [07:29] <Guest47215> u already know =) | |
| [07:34] * jarnos wonders when we get XXXubuntu :P | |
| [07:37] <zoredache> dunno, but there is already a porn-get | |
| [08:44] <CppIsWeird> is there any way to clear out a session thats been saved? | |
| [08:46] <zoredache> CppIsWeird: delete everything in ~/.cache/sessions | |
| [08:47] <CppIsWeird> nice, thanks. | |
| [08:47] <OnGaVeZyrKe> We can provide tha war against the all of penguinfuckers irc channels and servers too | |
| [09:22] <R1cochet> is there a way to mount bin/cue files? | |
| [09:46] <Reno`> why i don't find thunar-shares-plugin.deb in repository, i can download only deb ? | |
| [09:48] <_Pete_> R1cochet: I think not, but .iso files you can | |
| [09:58] <R1cochet> is there a way to mount bin/cue files? | |
| [09:59] <_Pete_> R1cochet: yes there is, first convert to .iso then do: mount -o loop <isofile> <mountpoint> | |
| [10:05] <R1cochet> _Pete_: thanx was hopping there was another way w/out converting | |
| [10:22] <TheSheep> R1cochet: if there is only one .bin file, you can mount it as you would mount iso | |
| [10:25] <R1cochet> TheSheep: thank you also | |
| [10:26] <_Pete_> TheSheep: what do you mean with one? | |
| [10:26] <TheSheep> _Pete_: the .cue files are index files that tell where particular .bin files go on the disk | |
| [10:27] <TheSheep> _Pete_: but the most common case is one .bin file that starts at the beginning, in which case it's the same as .iso | |
| [10:27] <_Pete_> .cue files tell indexes to .bin | |
| [10:27] <_Pete_> like sectors 0-100 = game | |
| [10:27] <_Pete_> 101-200 = other | |
| [10:28] <_Pete_> that's the reason if you mount them | |
| [10:28] <_Pete_> something wierd can happen | |
| [10:30] <TheSheep> not in the most common case of single bin file starting at the beginning | |
| [11:07] <Roonux> plop | |
| [11:08] <Roonux> my irssi ALT+number don't work, i've already disabled all shortcuts of xfce4-terminal, do you have an idea ? | |
| [11:11] * Myrtti installs Terminator on Roonuxs' Xubuntu, rolls | |
| [11:12] * jarnos is having a "Please Reply Urgent" email spam attack from Jahiz Basha. | |
| [12:27] <MaxFrames> hi. I have just added a wifi dongle to a xubuntu PC. how do I browse for available wifi networks? | |
| [12:39] <TheSheep> MaxFrames: click on the network icon next to the clock | |
| [12:39] <MaxFrames> I have removed network-manager because it was buggy (I couldn't change my IP address from it) | |
| [12:40] <MaxFrames> so I am back to the standard network applet back from 6.x/7.x | |
| [12:41] * TheSheep shrugs | |
| [12:41] <TheSheep> !wifi | MaxFrames | |
| [12:41] <ubottu> MaxFrames: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs | |
| [12:45] <MaxFrames> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessNetworking => no info about browsing available networks there | |
| [12:46] <TheSheep> well, I suppose that means you need to find another application that does that -- if you don't want to use xubuntu's default ones | |
| [12:46] <TheSheep> unfortunately I'm happy with network manager, so I can't really suggest anything else | |
| [12:47] <TheSheep> you could try iwscan from commandline | |
| [12:48] <TheSheep> or iwlist wlan0 scanning | |
| [12:51] <MaxFrames> iwlist wlan0 scanning => "interface doesn't support scanning: network is down" | |
| [12:51] <MaxFrames> weird... | |
| [12:55] <MaxFrames> bbl | |
| [15:13] <noaXess> what need i remove to disable the networkmanager applet, so i can configure network over /etc/network/interfaces? | |
| [15:17] <cody-somerville> probably network-manager-applet | |
| [15:17] <charlie-tca> I you make changes to /etc/network/interfaces, it should automatically disable networkmanager applet | |
| [15:17] * charlie-tca too slow again | |
| [15:18] <brandonban6> charlie-tca, where are you from? | |
| [15:18] <charlie-tca> USA | |
| [15:18] <brandonban6> ah. I always see you on, so I was wondering :) | |
| [15:19] <charlie-tca> It's a secret. You sleep little | |
| [15:19] <charlie-tca> gives more hours in the day to do things | |
| [15:20] <brandonban6> yeah.........when you have 3 kids, you sleep little anyway! | |
| [15:20] <charlie-tca> But not so many hours to do things! | |
| [15:20] <brandonban6> touche! | |
| [15:21] <charlie-tca> I'm also retired, so have a little more free time | |
| [15:22] <brandonban6> wow, how old are you? | |
| [15:26] <noaXess> how.. thanks.. | |
| [15:26] <noaXess> have removed network-manager-gnome.. | |
| [15:26] <noaXess> now.. | |
| [15:26] <noaXess> what the command line tool, to disable autostart of gdm? | |
| [15:28] <TheSheep> noaXess: just remove it from your runlevel | |
| [15:29] <brandonban6> noaXess, that's a bit more tricky......check the runlevel | |
| [15:29] <noaXess> TheSheep: and how? | |
| [15:29] <brandonban6> or what TheSheep said | |
| [15:29] <brandonban6> lol | |
| [15:29] <noaXess> ok | |
| [15:29] <noaXess> :) | |
| [15:29] <TheSheep> noaXess: by renaming apropriate symbolic link it /etc/rc.d | |
| [15:30] <noaXess> "/etc/rc3.d/S30gdm" right? | |
| [15:30] <TheSheep> noaXess: you can use update-rc.d for that | |
| [15:31] <TheSheep> sudo update-rc.d -f gdm remove | |
| [15:31] <TheSheep> and sudo update-rc.d -f gdm defaults to bring it back | |
| [15:31] <noaXess> TheSheep: ok.. | |
| [15:31] <brandonban6> TheSheep, -f = force? | |
| [15:31] <TheSheep> yes | |
| [15:32] <brandonban6> gotchya | |
| [15:32] <TheSheep> man update-rc.d for details | |
| [15:32] <noaXess> ok.. thanks | |
| [15:50] <SiDi> Any idea what's the contrary of atoi, anyone ? :p | |
| [15:50] <TheSheep> SiDi: where? | |
| [15:50] <SiDi> Huh ? :P | |
| [15:51] <TheSheep> SiDi: which language? | |
| [15:51] <SiDi> The c function to turn an int into a char* | |
| [15:51] <TheSheep> SiDi: sprintf("%d", x); | |
| [15:51] <SiDi> err, i feel damn stupid now | |
| [15:52] <SiDi> thank you :) i just didn't think about the obvious thing, was looking for some itoa or ltostr function :D | |
| [15:52] <TheSheep> don't worry, happens to all of us | |
| [15:52] <brandonban6> nerds :P | |
| [15:52] * charlie-tca thinks sure is hard to keep quiet on that one from Sidi | |
| [15:53] <SiDi> :) | |
| [15:54] <SiDi> I didn't sleep much last night : had to wake up to go at a stupid SQL course at uni T.T | |
| [15:54] <charlie-tca> :( | |
| [15:54] <charlie-tca> makes the day longer... | |
| [15:55] <SiDi> well, i managed to stay from 8h50 to 10h25 | |
| [15:55] <SiDi> (instead of 8h00 - 11h15) | |
| [16:03] <SiDi> great, the client i'm coding really works well with upnp devices : it scans for a gateway, and once it found it, instead of asking for a port mapping, it just rescans... | |
| [16:34] <brandonban6> hmmm, so I use mkfs.ext3 -vcj /dev/path to make my external drive a journaled ext3 FS, and everything completed fine.....I can even mount it and it shows the lost and found folder, however, fdisk -l still shows a NTFS drive.......why is that? | |
| [16:41] <TheSheep> brandonban6: it shows the id that is in the partition table | |
| [16:42] <TheSheep> brandonban6: you can change it with fdisk | |
| === ubott2 is now known as ubottu | |
| [16:49] <brandonban6> TheSheep, ohhhhh, got it. thanks!!! | |
| [16:51] <brandonban6> TheSheep, also, when it mounts a link show up on the desktop as "500 GB Drive", I understand this to be the volume label, which I should be able to change with ef2label (as it is an ext3 fs) correct? | |
| [16:57] <TheSheep> brandonban6: it's the fallback text used when no label is set | |
| [17:14] <danopia> hi | |
| [17:51] <rs___> hey guys, how can I add a new keyboard language? I only have US now....using xubuntu 8.10 | |
| [17:52] <knome> !languages | |
| [17:52] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about languages | |
| [17:52] <rs___> I have the keyboard layout switcher in the panel, I just don't know how to add a new language to it | |
| [17:52] <knome> !language | |
| [17:52] <ubottu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. | |
| [17:52] <TheSheep> knome: fail :) | |
| [17:52] <knome> rs___, you need to download a language package from synaptic | |
| [17:52] <knome> TheSheep, totally. | |
| [17:52] <TheSheep> rs___: try this in terminal: sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup | |
| [17:52] <charlie-tca> LOL | |
| [17:52] <rs___> knome :) | |
| [17:52] <TheSheep> knome: for keyboard layouts? | |
| [17:53] <knome> TheSheep, hmmh. "keyboard language" ok.. suppose that is layout then :P | |
| [17:53] <TheSheep> !layout | |
| [17:53] <ubottu> To switch your keyboard layout on GNOME: System -> Preferences -> Keyboard (GNOME) - KDE: K -> System Settings -> Regional & Language -> Keyboard Layout (KDE) - Xfce: see https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts | |
| [17:53] <TheSheep> wow | |
| [17:53] <TheSheep> rs___: but this won't work in recent versions of xubuntu | |
| [17:54] <charlie-tca> applications -> Settings -> Settings Manager | |
| [17:54] <charlie-tca> Keyboard, last tab is Layouts | |
| [17:54] <charlie-tca> uncheck use X configuration | |
| [17:54] <charlie-tca> click Add | |
| [17:54] <charlie-tca> It has a whole list of languages and countries | |
| [17:55] <charlie-tca> But it won't work for Jaunty | |
| [17:55] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: it never worked for me with 'use x configuration' unchecked | |
| [17:55] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: I always had to configure it in X | |
| [17:55] <charlie-tca> well, hell | |
| [17:56] <charlie-tca> 8.10? | |
| [17:56] <charlie-tca> more bad advice? | |
| [17:56] <rs___> charlie-tca, thanks, I don't know how I miss the Settings panel | |
| [17:56] <rs___> checking it right now | |
| [17:56] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: 8.10 and earlier, yes | |
| [17:56] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: but ymmv | |
| [17:56] <charlie-tca> TheSheep says it won't work, rs___ | |
| [17:56] <charlie-tca> I would listen to him | |
| [17:56] <TheSheep> rs___: try it, maybe it's just me | |
| [17:57] <charlie-tca> I haven't tried it, just looked at it | |
| [17:57] <TheSheep> come to think of it, I never got to properly reporting that | |
| [17:57] <rs___> it does not work, I can add a new language but it does not appear in the keyboard language switcher | |
| [17:57] <TheSheep> but it's overhauled in Jaunty anyways... | |
| [17:57] <rs___> any ideas? | |
| [17:57] <charlie-tca> Yeah, Jaunty doesn't even have that | |
| [17:58] <charlie-tca> and maybe that's why... | |
| [17:58] <TheSheep> rs___: sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup | |
| [18:01] <TheSheep> rs___: and re-cehc that 'use x config' | |
| [18:01] <rs___> TheSheep I changed it to german, but nothing, maybe I have to reboot? :) | |
| [18:01] <TheSheep> re-check | |
| [18:01] <rs___> aa | |
| [18:01] <TheSheep> rs___: no, just restart X | |
| [18:02] <TheSheep> rs___: log off and prss alt+ctrl+backspace | |
| [18:02] <rs___> TheSheep, yep | |
| [18:05] <rs__> no change :( | |
| [18:05] <TheSheep> that's weird | |
| [18:06] <rs__> setxkbmap should work though | |
| [18:06] <TheSheep> can you pastebin your /etc/default/console-setup ? | |
| [18:07] <rs__> TheSheep, XKBLAYOUT="de" from that file | |
| [18:07] <TheSheep> then it should work... | |
| [18:08] <TheSheep> you have German locale installed? | |
| [18:08] <rs__> zes | |
| [18:08] <TheSheep> ah-ha! | |
| [18:08] <rs__> yes, that is | |
| [18:08] <TheSheep> works! | |
| [18:08] <rs__> but with setxcbmap | |
| [18:08] <TheSheep> well, you can always add it to autostarted applications... | |
| [18:09] <TheSheep> but it's a hack | |
| [18:09] <rs__> I can just add that to /etc/rc.local I think... | |
| [18:10] <rs__> thanks a lot for your help guys | |
| [18:22] <doc_brown> i have completely screwed up my panel. all the icons are on the left side even the clock. i ran sudo rm ~/.config/xfce4/panel -r and it didnt help | |
| [18:24] * doc_brown is screwed | |
| === bac is now known as bac_afk | |
| [18:31] <karlo> hello, w | |
| [18:32] <karlo> my wlan card isntt working | |
| === jussio1 is now known as jussi01 | |
| [18:48] <brandonban6> karlo, what is happening with your wlan card? | |
| [18:48] <karlo> nothing it wont work | |
| [18:49] <karlo> also, in synaptic, there is no ndis | |
| [18:49] <charlie-tca> what version of Xubuntu? | |
| [18:50] <karlo> intrepid | |
| [18:50] <karlo> i have a silicon integrated network card i think | |
| [18:51] <karlo> i searched google and ubuntu for hours and i dont know what to do | |
| [18:51] <Roonux> hello, i run irssi and the Alt+<number> shortcut dont work, i've disable the shortcuts of xfce4-terminal, an idea ? :s | |
| [18:51] <charlie-tca> should not need ndiswrapper in Intrepid. Most of the drivers are built into the kernel now | |
| [18:52] <charlie-tca> Roonux: If you disabled shortcuts, how could they work | |
| [18:52] <karlo> well on kubuntu feisty it worked but in xub i dont know ==( | |
| [18:52] <knome> charlie-tca, xfce4-terminal shortcuts stop irssi shortcuts from working. | |
| [18:52] <charlie-tca> You are not in feisty anymore | |
| [18:52] <charlie-tca> yeah? | |
| [18:52] <Roonux> i've disabled the xfce4-terminal shortcuts, but my irssi shortcuts don't work ether :/ | |
| [18:52] <karlo> yes | |
| [18:53] <SiDi> Roonux, told you already :D | |
| [18:53] <karlo> well xub says my wlan is "DISABLED" | |
| [18:53] <karlo> but i enabled wlan =( | |
| [18:53] <charlie-tca> !wireless | |
| [18:53] <ubottu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs | |
| [18:53] <Roonux> SiDi: still don't work :( | |
| [18:53] <SiDi> Roonux, yes, gnome-terminal works;; :D | |
| [18:54] <Roonux> arf | |
| [18:54] * charlie-tca bows to SiDi and knome on the irrsi issues | |
| [18:54] <Roonux> let's try so.. | |
| [18:54] <SiDi> charlie-tca, am i not being wonderful today ? :D (dont slap, please :x) | |
| [18:54] <charlie-tca> karlo: did you upgrade to intrepid? | |
| [18:54] <knome> Roonux, well, they work for me so i don't really know what could be wrong. | |
| [18:54] <charlie-tca> SiDi: you are doing great work! | |
| [18:55] <knome> Roonux, do you have any global (xfce) shortcuts? | |
| [18:55] <karlo> charlie-tca: i installed with live ccd | |
| [18:55] <SiDi> Ok, actually its xfce shortcuts | |
| [18:55] <SiDi> not xfce4-terminal :P | |
| [18:55] <steve__> but Ctrl+N works | |
| [18:55] <charlie-tca> karlo: was the live cd able to connect? | |
| === steve__ is now known as SiDi_ | |
| [18:56] <karlo> charlie-tca: i used the non-graphical install of live cd | |
| [18:56] <charlie-tca> Well, boot the live cd and try it, please | |
| [18:57] <karlo> no no | |
| [18:57] <karlo> it works with kubuntu | |
| [18:57] <charlie-tca> feisty or intrepid? | |
| [18:57] <knome> charlie-tca, what is the problem? | |
| [18:57] <knome> charlie-tca, wireless drivers not working? | |
| [18:57] <charlie-tca> karlo: feisty is no longer supported, you know | |
| [18:57] <karlo> yes :D | |
| [18:57] <karlo> charlie-tca: but feisty handled it x.x | |
| [18:58] <knome> karlo, feisty and intrepid don't have the same hardware compatibility lists. there might be some drawbacks also. | |
| [18:58] <charlie-tca> It doesn't matter anymore. You are trying to make it work in Intrepid now. | |
| [18:58] <karlo> but i dont want to restart | |
| [18:58] <karlo> it takes hours | |
| [18:58] <knome> karlo, so if something worked for you in feisty and doesn't work in intrepid, PLEASE do file a bug report. | |
| [18:59] <charlie-tca> after testing it in the live cd | |
| [18:59] <knome> karlo, restart doesn't mean re-installing. restart means shutting your computer off and on. | |
| [18:59] <karlo> no, in feisty was the problem too but i somehow resolved it. now I AM drawback | |
| [18:59] <karlo> knome i know | |
| [18:59] <karlo> but loading the xub in ram and so it takes so long | |
| [19:03] <brandonban6> karlo, why is it loading in ram, are you running this from a flash drive? | |
| [19:03] <karlo> no im confused sorry =( | |
| [19:03] <karlo> its just my wlan is DISABLED | |
| [19:04] <brandonban6> karlo, sorry, i'm confused too........taking hours to reboot is a problem, but not the problem now. Network Manager does not see your wireless card at all? | |
| [19:05] <karlo> maybe | |
| [19:05] <karlo> it just doesnt show wlan networks | |
| [19:05] <karlo> no, its not showing | |
| [19:05] <charlie-tca> karlo: you don't have a network cable plugged in? | |
| [19:05] <itstegg> hello. | |
| [19:06] <karlo> joj | |
| [19:06] <knome> !hi | itstegg | |
| [19:06] <ubottu> itstegg: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! | |
| [19:06] <karlo> i am here with cable | |
| [19:06] <karlo> i have cable in laptop and wlan card, but wlan doesnt work | |
| [19:06] <charlie-tca> If you have a cable plugged in, the wlan will not work in intrepid | |
| [19:06] <knome> karlo, network-manager does *NOT* allow connecting with cable *AND* wlan at the same time. | |
| [19:07] <karlo> i know | |
| [19:07] <karlo> but it doesnt even show wlan connonsecti | |
| [19:07] <karlo> ill try | |
| [19:07] <brandonban6> karlo, also, does wlan interface show up when you run "ifconfig -a" in a terminal? | |
| [19:07] <itstegg> I have installed xubuntu 6.06.1 LTS (dapper drake) on an iMac PowerPC. I wish to locate an active software repository so I can browse the available software using a web browser. | |
| [19:08] <karlo> d## | |
| [19:08] <karlo> hello i'm still here? | |
| [19:09] <zoredache_> qmore itstegg the dapper stuff still appears to on http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/main/ | |
| [19:09] <itstegg> thanks so much | |
| [19:11] <zoredache_> keep in mind that official support off ppc has been dropped. So you won't find ppc on the official repositories for newer releases | |
| [19:11] <karlo> nothing worked | |
| [19:12] <karlo> how can i just enable my card? | |
| [19:12] <charlie-tca> You can not enable the wlan card if there is a network cable plugged in to the computer | |
| [19:13] <karlo> peoples i'm so sorry i made a mistake :O | |
| [19:13] <charlie-tca> no problem. | |
| [19:13] <charlie-tca> we all make mistakes | |
| [19:13] <karlo> there was no hardware restricted drivers, but i added sourceforge now it is there :D sorry for bothering but i'm allready sitting here by my neighbour for 3 hours | |
| [19:13] <karlo> and i wanted to go to party | |
| [19:14] <karlo> now i can finally go, thank you all =D | |
| [19:14] <charlie-tca> good luck, karlo | |
| [19:14] <karlo> thanks | |
| [19:15] <brandonban6> lol..........did anybody else get how Karlo resolved his issue? | |
| [19:15] <knome> nope. | |
| [19:15] <charlie-tca> no, but it is resolved, right? | |
| [19:15] <knome> i think he was just being stupid. | |
| [19:15] <zoredache_> I believe it is better to not think about such things.... | |
| [19:15] <charlie-tca> could have been a language issue | |
| [19:15] <brandonban6> okay! yeah, charlie-tca tis resolved. | |
| [19:16] <charlie-tca> next! | |
| [19:16] <brandonban6> can we share external links here, i'm reminded of this funny IT video (some heavy language) | |
| [19:16] <charlie-tca> occasionally, yes | |
| [19:17] <knome> #xubuntu-offtopic :P | |
| [19:17] <brandonban6> ahhh, thank knome :) | |
| [19:17] * charlie-tca slaps head | |
| [19:17] <knome> charlie-tca, lol? :D | |
| [19:17] <charlie-tca> that's right, I'm not allowed to say that no more | |
| [19:17] <knome> offtopic? :P | |
| [19:18] <charlie-tca> yeah | |
| [19:18] <knome> why? | |
| [19:18] <charlie-tca> <charlie-tca> occasionally, yes | |
| [19:18] <charlie-tca> <knome> #xubuntu-offtopic :P | |
| [19:18] <SiDi> there's an ot channel for xubuntu ? :O | |
| [19:18] * charlie-tca has the eyes of knome watching | |
| [19:19] <knome> heh | |
| [19:19] <SiDi> Well, thats not exactly as if we had as many people as #ubuntu.. | |
| [19:19] <knome> SiDi, true. | |
| [19:19] <charlie-tca> SiDi: maybe it just isn't as well known | |
| [19:19] <knome> SiDi, but as xubuntu is community driven, i personally think we can go a bit more offtopic here | |
| [19:19] <knome> SiDi, of course only when there is no support case going on :) | |
| [19:20] <brandonban6> how does you set xchat to open several channels upon a server connection........xchat opens freenode and #ubuntu, but I always have to join the rest. | |
| [19:21] <brandonban6> how does you........oh geez.......*how do you :) | |
| [19:21] <charlie-tca> you hilight freenode and hit edit | |
| [19:22] <knome> SiDi, you see, brandonban6 clearly wants to keep us from going offtopic ;) | |
| [19:24] <charlie-tca> Then you can add the channels in Favorite channels separated by comma only, no spaces | |
| [19:25] <knome> charlie-tca, that seems to be way easier in irssi ;) | |
| [19:25] <charlie-tca> I don't know, I only use XChat | |
| [19:25] <SiDi> oh btw, since we're between xubuntu users | |
| [19:26] <SiDi> will we finally take over ourselves to make a decent default theme for jaunty ? | |
| [19:26] <knome> charlie-tca, /channel add [-auto] #channel network | |
| [19:26] <knome> SiDi, i'm working on it. | |
| [19:26] <charlie-tca> Oh, that would be easier | |
| [19:26] <SiDi> great knome :P | |
| [19:26] <knome> SiDi, that doesn't mean gtk theme however. | |
| [19:26] <SiDi> if you need help to translate metacities into xfwms im used to it | |
| [19:26] <SiDi> well, it'd be good that we can provide the community themes for xubuntu | |
| [19:26] <brandonban6> knome........i'm running an xubuntu supported application. Its not off topic as the conversation topic of being off topic is... | |
| [19:26] <SiDi> including xfwms | |
| [19:27] <knome> SiDi, http://emonk.fi/open/xubuntu/jaunty-gdm-mockup-3.png / http://emonk.fi/open/xubuntu/jaunty-wall-mockup.png | |
| [19:27] <charlie-tca> brandonban6: you are on topic | |
| [19:27] <knome> brandonban6, yes, totally not. :) | |
| [19:27] <knome> brandonban6, *WE* were off topic and as you asked for support, we could not be offtopic anymore ;) | |
| [19:27] <SiDi> very nice gdm, knome ! don't forget to make 16/10 and 16/9 versions tho :p | |
| [19:28] <knome> SiDi, sure not. | |
| [19:28] <knome> SiDi, that's an svg export to png. | |
| [19:28] <SiDi> btw, what about some horns for the mouse ? :) it'd fit well with the jackalope :D | |
| [19:28] <knome> don't know. we have to talk about that. | |
| [19:29] <knome> i don't know if we're going to use the mouse at all. | |
| [19:29] <SiDi> is there a mailing list for xubuntu ? | |
| [19:29] <charlie-tca> yes | |
| [19:29] <knome> many of them. | |
| [19:29] <knome> that reminds me of i have to mail the list:P | |
| [19:29] <knome> the -devel onw :P | |
| [19:29] <charlie-tca> we have xubuntu-users and Xubuntu-devel | |
| [19:30] <brandonban6> charlie-tca, i don't have an "edit" option anywhere. Using Xchat 2.8.6 | |
| [19:30] <charlie-tca> sure you do. Click XChat, Network list, | |
| [19:30] <charlie-tca> Then high light Freenode, then click Edit | |
| [19:30] <charlie-tca> what could be simpler? | |
| [19:31] * brandonban6 d'OH!!! | |
| [19:31] <brandonban6> thanks charlie-tca | |
| [19:31] <SiDi> hi wormsxulla | |
| [19:31] <charlie-tca> sure | |
| [19:31] * charlie-tca thinks knome must be rolling on the floor now, since Xchat is so easy | |
| [19:32] <wormsxulla> :) | |
| [19:32] <wormsxulla> charlie-tca: maybe i can bribe you so you recommend chatzilla instead? ;) | |
| [19:32] <brandonban6> knome, I just realized i mis-read your comment earlier, I thought you said "brandonban6 wants to keep us offtopic" Sorry about that! | |
| [19:32] <charlie-tca> XChat comes in Xubuntu | |
| [19:32] <knome> brandonban6, no problem :) | |
| [19:33] <knome> charlie-tca, actually i'm just *very* comfort with irssi, i've once even written a script to upload my website from irssi | |
| [19:33] * charlie-tca and I could have gotten it all on one line, too | |
| [19:33] <charlie-tca> must be nice, then. | |
| [19:34] <charlie-tca> XChat is the only thing I could figure out how to work | |
| [19:34] <knome> totally. that script has been deprecated for a long time, however. | |
| [19:34] <knome> but i *still* make my mysql backups with one command on irssi. | |
| === bedmunds_ is now known as brandonban6 | |
| [19:34] <charlie-tca> huh? you can do that, too? | |
| [19:35] <knome> charlie-tca, once you've written a script to do that, yes... | |
| [19:35] <knome> ;) | |
| [19:35] <SiDi> does irssi include httpcp ? | |
| [19:35] <knome> SiDi, *no* idea. :) | |
| [19:35] <knome> SiDi, if perl can do it, irssi can do it. | |
| [19:35] <knome> SiDi, just write a script. | |
| [19:35] <SiDi> http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2324.html httcpcp | |
| [19:35] <charlie-tca> I'd stay away from that htt *pcp* :/ | |
| [19:36] <SiDi> I miswrote actually, its cpcp :p | |
| [19:36] <SiDi> One of the best RFCs, with IP Over Avian carreers : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers | |
| [19:36] <SiDi> oops, french link :/ | |
| [19:36] <Roonux> so let's try gnome-terminal | |
| [19:36] * charlie-tca thinks it is _way_ over his head | |
| [19:39] * knome is nostagizing with some paul mccartney live tracks | |
| [19:41] <brandonban6> knome, way to be a conversation killer ;) | |
| [19:41] <knome> ;) | |
| [19:41] <wormsxulla> SiDi: did you say "hi" because of my host, or do we "know" each other from elsewhere? | |
| [19:41] <SiDi> I usually say you here and in #winehq | |
| [19:41] <knome> wormsxulla, maybe he has played "worms" ?;) | |
| [19:41] <SiDi> i just thought i'd say hi, but i can also ignore you if you're scared :P | |
| [19:41] <SiDi> see you * | |
| [19:41] <wormsxulla> no, it's fine, i was just curious :) | |
| [19:42] <brandonban6> speaking of wine, anyone run steam on wine? | |
| [19:42] <knome> ok, that might not be the best message i've sent to a mailing list :] | |
| [19:42] <charlie-tca> you think? | |
| [19:42] <knome> totally. | |
| [19:43] <knome> at least it was short - had nothing extra in it. | |
| [19:43] <charlie-tca> I'll bet everyone ignored it, almost | |
| [19:43] <knome> brandonban6, doesn't seem like it. :) | |
| [19:43] <knome> brandonban6, maybe #winehq ? :P | |
| [19:43] <knome> charlie-tca, might be. | |
| [19:43] <charlie-tca> Maybe he just don't know Paul | |
| [19:44] <brandonban6> thanks knome :) | |
| [19:44] <SiDi> yaaay my bittorrent client supports upnp now \o/ | |
| [19:44] <SiDi> (sorry) | |
| [19:44] <knome> charlie-tca, now i dropped off from this discussion. i think you were talking about the post on the mailing list :D | |
| [19:44] <knome> SiDi, no problem. it's friday night after all and we all can relax a bit : | |
| [19:45] <knome> :) | |
| [19:45] <charlie-tca> I'm lost now. someone wanted to know about xubuntu mailing list? | |
| [19:45] <knome> charlie-tca, uh oh. :) | |
| [19:45] <knome> charlie-tca, 21:38 knome: ok, that might not be the best message i've sent to a mailing list :] | |
| [19:46] <knome> charlie-tca, i thought you commented on that :) | |
| [19:46] <charlie-tca> Oh, that one, yeah | |
| === hfsdo_ is now known as hfsdo | |
| [19:46] <knome> charlie-tca, anyway, i've been at a paul mccartney show twice and both times he got me crying at some point, and i think i'ven seen very rarely crying :) | |
| [19:47] <SiDi> charlie-tca, yeh sure | |
| [19:47] <charlie-tca> Yeah, he should be streamed across the world once a day, I think | |
| [19:48] * charlie-tca with hands in the air. I am totally lost now | |
| [19:50] <Roonux> so on my desktop computer, <ESC>+<number> work :) | |
| [20:04] <charlie-tca> knome: you left the gdm art out of the message | |
| === bac_afk is now known as bac | |
| [20:10] <knome> charlie-tca, hhms, did i? | |
| [20:11] <knome> charlie-tca, i thought i was talking about the jaunty artwork in general, and i think that includes gdm | |
| [20:11] * charlie-tca slaps head again | |
| [20:11] <knome> :) | |
| [20:15] <Jan|> how do I edit a file that belongs to the root user? | |
| [20:15] <vinnl> Jan|, what kind of file? | |
| [20:15] <brandonban6> i'm confused, is xubuntu put out by canicol? | |
| [20:15] <Jan|> gslideshow.desktop | |
| [20:15] <vinnl> brandonban6, no, it's a community project | |
| [20:15] <zoredache_> Jan|: generally you need to start your editor with sudo or gksu | |
| [20:15] <vinnl> Jan|, you'll want to copy the file to your home directory and edit it there, I believe | |
| [20:15] <vinnl> Ehm, wait | |
| [20:15] <charlie-tca> brandonban6: no, it is supported by canonical, but is a separate project | |
| [20:16] <vinnl> I believe to ~/.local/share/applications | |
| [20:16] <charlie-tca> No, I said that wrong | |
| [20:16] <vinnl> *endorsed :) | |
| [20:16] <brandonban6> ahh.......thanks Vinch_ , so knome, charlie-tca are you on development teams then? | |
| [20:16] <charlie-tca> endorsed by canonical, but is separate. | |
| [20:16] <Jan|> zoredache_, how do I do that? | |
| [20:16] <brandonban6> I meant thanks vinnl :) * | |
| [20:16] <charlie-tca> I am not a developer. | |
| [20:17] <vinnl> ...but charlie-tca does excellent work on bug triaging | |
| [20:17] <charlie-tca> I am not just a user | |
| [20:17] <zoredache_> Jan|: depends... you didn't say what type of file you need to edit. But for a plain text file doing an alt-f2 and then running 'gksu mousepad' would work | |
| [20:17] <vinnl> zoredache_, a .desktop file... It's recommended to make a copy as the local user to edit it, I beleive | |
| [20:17] <brandonban6> do you have to have some level of experience to be involved in bug process? How can I get plugged in? | |
| [20:18] <Jan|> alt+f2 o nthe file? | |
| [20:18] <SiDi> charlie-tca is our mascotte | |
| [20:18] <SiDi> he's the mouse on the screenshots | |
| [20:18] <brandonban6> lol @ SiDi | |
| [20:18] <vinnl> (That's not to say that I never edit the files in /usr/share/applications :P) | |
| [20:19] <brandonban6> !community | |
| [20:19] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about community | |
| [20:19] <charlie-tca> You can get involved by reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Bugs | |
| [20:19] <SiDi> !cookies | |
| [20:19] <ubottu> Cookies are delicious delicacies. | |
| [20:19] <brandonban6> charlie-tca, I don't know how to read :D | |
| [20:19] <zoredache_> Jan|: no, you don't need the file to be seleted, just running gksu mousepad lets you open a text editor with root privileges. you could then open/edit any file | |
| [20:20] <SiDi> brandonban6, then you won't be able to help :) bug triaging is a lot of reading | |
| [20:20] <brandonban6> SiDi, ..........I guess it is back to what I do best then.......apathy and "bugging" others (pun fully intended). | |
| [20:21] <zoredache_> Jan|: but like vinnl suggests, you probably should make a copy. Changes you make in /usr/share/.... may be overwritten when you upgrade Only things in /etc/, and /home are preserved | |
| [20:21] * charlie-tca thinks filing bugs help too (not as much reading) | |
| [20:27] <knome> brandonban6, i'm the marketing lead for xubuntu, no kind od not a developer either. | |
| [20:28] <brandonban6> knome, that's freaking awesome! | |
| [20:33] <knome> :) | |
| [20:35] <juanito> is there a restricted extras package for xubuntu? | |
| [20:35] <Jan|> thanks zoredache_ | |
| [20:35] <vinnl> juanito, yep | |
| [20:36] <vinnl> xubuntu-restricted-extras | |
| [20:36] <vinnl> !info xubuntu-restricted-extras | |
| [20:36] <ubottu> xubuntu-restricted-extras (source: ubuntu-restricted-extras): Commonly used restricted packages. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 25 (intrepid), package size 4 kB, installed size 32 kB | |
| [20:36] <juanito> thanks | |
| [20:36] <juanito> i installed it in ubuntu | |
| [20:37] <juanito> but the w32 codecs were optional | |
| [20:37] <juanito> how can i install this? | |
| [20:38] <vinnl> Try to play a file that needs those codecs | |
| [20:38] <knome> juanito, 'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras' on terminal or launch synaptic, search for the package, mark to be installed and apply. | |
| [20:38] <knome> juanito, what vinnl suggested might work as well. | |
| [20:39] <juanito> so you mean to say that if i try to see a video and it gives me an option of searching these codecs | |
| [20:39] <juanito> i must search them this way? | |
| [20:40] <charlie-tca> w32 codecs should be available from medibuntu repository, aren't they | |
| [20:40] <Jan|> the lack of GUI in linux is annoying | |
| [20:41] <charlie-tca> GUI for ?? | |
| [20:41] <Jan|> gslideshow, can't even change the settings | |
| [20:41] <Jan|> you need to open a text file | |
| [20:41] <juanito> i'm going to try to install the xubuntu restricted and i'll let you know how it goes | |
| [20:41] <juanito> ;) | |
| [20:42] <brandonban6> Jan|, I thought so too at first, but I've really grown to appreciate the simplicity, efficiency, and quickness of the CLI apps. | |
| [20:42] <charlie-tca> Jan|: you could ask on #ubuntu, if it isn't terrible busy. It will be the same procedure | |
| [20:42] <juanito> and please forgive my english | |
| [20:42] <knome> charlie-tca, how do i change the xfwm theme? is it the one you can change from settings manager -> window manager -> tab "style" ? | |
| [20:42] <juanito> i'm spanish | |
| [20:42] <Jan|> brandonban6, CLI ? | |
| [20:42] <knome> juanito, #ubuntu-es | |
| [20:42] <knome> ;) | |
| [20:43] <charlie-tca> I don't know, knome | |
| [20:43] <brandonban6> Jan|, CLI = Command Line Interface | |
| [20:43] <knome> !xfwm | |
| [20:43] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xfwm | |
| [20:43] <knome> d'oh | |
| [20:43] <juanito> thanks knome but i like to practise english too;) | |
| [20:43] <charlie-tca> !xfwm4 | |
| [20:43] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xfwm4 | |
| [20:43] <Jan|> command lines are annoying, you have to remember the commands :P | |
| [20:43] <knome> charlie-tca, i suppose it is that but.. | |
| [20:43] <charlie-tca> What does that theme control? | |
| [20:43] <knome> charlie-tca, ok, it must be that. | |
| [20:44] <knome> charlie-tca, seemingly the window borders :) | |
| [20:44] <brandonban6> Jan|, nah.......there is always help on standbye with man pages or --help switches. | |
| [20:44] <Jan|> well I did a "chmod --help" and it just confused me | |
| [20:44] <brandonban6> Jan|, just not as a pretty and I agree more difficult to work with, but there is something to be said about doing things with commands. | |
| [20:44] <charlie-tca> juanito: your english seems fine to this American | |
| [20:45] <juanito> wow that's very kind of you | |
| === sancas_ is now known as sancas | |
| [20:45] <juanito> thanks a lot | |
| [20:45] <zoredache_> Jan|: guis are annoying, you have to click a dozen times to do each thing. And even once you understand how to do it you still have to do all that clicking. With the cli, and a good memory, once you know how to do something you can do it very fast | |
| [20:45] <charlie-tca> juanito: You are welcome | |
| [20:46] <zoredache_> learning and discovering new things in a cli does tend to be difficult though | |
| [20:47] <juanito> hey | |
| [20:47] <Jan|> zoredache_ the average person doesn't want to have to remember 1000 commands just to use his operating system | |
| [20:47] <vinnl> Neither do I :P | |
| [20:47] <charlie-tca> Once it is set up, you don't have to remember all those | |
| [20:47] <juanito> can i paste the information apt-get gave me? | |
| [20:48] <charlie-tca> to pastebin | |
| [20:48] <juanito> about restricted extras i mean | |
| [20:48] <charlie-tca> !pastebin | |
| [20:48] <ubottu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) | |
| [20:48] <charlie-tca> If it is only a line or two | |
| [20:48] <brandonban6> !sbackup | |
| [20:48] <ubottu> sbackup is a tool to create complete and/or incremental backups (which can be scheduled to be automatic, and can be done over a network). It is available in !Universe | |
| [20:48] <juanito> well it told me suggested packages........ | |
| [20:48] <juanito> and recomended packages | |
| [20:49] <juanito> i gather that these ones arwe not in the package | |
| [20:49] <juanito> am i right? | |
| [20:49] <Jan|> zoredache_ if the gslideshow GUI had everything I wouldn't have had to come in here and wait 10minutes for an awnser thus saving me 10minutes | |
| [20:49] <knome> juanito, suggested and recommended packages are something you *might* want to install. | |
| [20:49] <charlie-tca> juanito: yes, those are not included and may not be needed | |
| [20:50] <knome> charlie-tca, hah! beat you again :) | |
| [20:50] <juanito> o search them later | |
| [20:50] * charlie-tca is just too slow | |
| [20:50] <charlie-tca> juanito: exactly what I do with them. | |
| [20:51] <charlie-tca> and I almost never install them later, too | |
| [20:51] <Jan|> It no question that any app with a good GUI, even if its not as efficient as another similar app with no GUI, will sell better (be more popular). | |
| [20:51] <juanito> ok now i undrstand this package better | |
| [20:51] <Jan|> maybe i should wait another 100years then maybe linux distros will have a GUI for everything ? :D | |
| [20:52] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu has more GUI's than Xubuntu does | |
| [20:52] <Jan|> right, right | |
| [20:52] <knome> Jan|, maybe. or you might learn programming and do the improvements yourself. | |
| [20:52] <juanito> i like ubuntu very much | |
| [20:52] <charlie-tca> GUI slows down the computer, sometimes a very large slowdown | |
| [20:52] <juanito> i'm giving a try to xubuntu right now | |
| [20:53] <juanito> ;) | |
| [20:53] <charlie-tca> :-) | |
| [20:53] <Jan|> linux people don't get much paychecks :P | |
| [20:53] <charlie-tca> You mean some get *paid* ? | |
| [20:53] <knome> juanito, psst, i can tell you a secret *whispers:* xubuntu is better than ubuntu | |
| [20:53] <juanito> jeje | |
| [20:53] <knome> Jan|, not necessarily true. you can get paid. or you could get sponsored to fly to other side of the world drinking free beer. | |
| [20:54] <Jan|> charlie-tca, yeah some people pay for linux support, look at red hat... | |
| [20:54] <knome> Jan|, free as in paid by someone else. | |
| === FaMott|Sleeps is now known as FaMott | |
| [20:54] <juanito> it's faster knome | |
| [20:54] <charlie-tca> I don't really want to look at red hat; I like Xubuntu! | |
| [20:55] <Jan|> well they offer paid support iirc | |
| [20:55] <knome> Jan|, you can even get paid by someone to develop. like my friend does. many hours per week. | |
| [20:56] <vinnl> knome, don't spread the word or everybody will be using Xubuntu and we'll no longer be an underdog ;-) | |
| [20:56] <charlie-tca> Canonical offers paid support for Ubuntu | |
| [20:56] <knome> Jan|, the world is full of possibilities. the thing is that there's so many projects and things to develop that we just don't have enough people to do that. | |
| [20:56] <Jan|> knome, I tried coding once. didn't like staring at the monitor for 12hours straight everyday... | |
| [20:56] <knome> vinnl, that'll be no problem to me ;) | |
| [20:56] <vinnl> :P | |
| [20:56] <knome> Jan|, i stare at the monitor for 12 hours straight even if not coding. | |
| [20:56] <juanito> your eyes must be very red | |
| [20:57] <hollywoodb> I think as Xfce 4.6 gains traction xubuntu will become more popular. With xfce 4.6, it's power manager, and gigolo I no longer see any compelling reason to run gnome | |
| [20:57] <charlie-tca> Jan|: If you want paid support - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/paid | |
| [20:57] <Jan|> well you get the point, its like, spend a few days coding. then spend more days debugging, then you need to fix bugs found by the public, etc | |
| [20:57] <vinnl> Personally, I can't wait for Xfce 4.8 :) | |
| [20:58] <juanito> ufw is installed and enabled by default? | |
| [20:58] <juanito> please | |
| [20:58] * charlie-tca is a glutton for punishment, too... waiting for 9.10; waiting for 4.8 | |
| [20:58] <vinnl> Yes | |
| [20:58] <vinnl> Ehm... At least isntalled, I think enabled :P | |
| [20:58] <charlie-tca> ufw is installed by default | |
| [20:58] <Jan|> hollywoodb, gnome is ad ? | |
| [20:58] <Jan|> *bad | |
| [20:58] <Jan|> ? | |
| [20:58] <brandonban6> Jan|, we are nerds........we thrive on that kind of stuff......we like to be challenged. M$ is successful and some may judge that better, but I'd rather learn and not be spoon fed IT. | |
| [20:59] <juanito> is it enough firewall? | |
| [20:59] <juanito> do i have to install firestarter instead? | |
| [20:59] <knome> juanito, yes, today maybe, but not because of monitors. :) i have very good quality monitors so they won't hurt my eyes. | |
| [20:59] <charlie-tca> Jan|: gnome is not bad, but is sometimes easier to use and do things in than Xfce | |
| [21:00] <charlie-tca> It does take more resources, though | |
| [21:00] <juanito> ok knome | |
| [21:00] <vinnl> juanito, Firestarted is just a GUI for iptables, ufw is a frontend for that too, so I believe the default firewall settings are fine... Not sure though, not my field of expertise | |
| [21:00] <juanito> am | |
| [21:00] <juanito> so they both do the same | |
| [21:01] <juanito> is that what you try to tell me?? | |
| [21:01] <vinnl> Yep | |
| [21:01] <Jan|> brandonban6, hehehe "spoon fed IT" | |
| [21:01] <juanito> i remember having problems with firestarter in ubuntu | |
| [21:01] <juanito> i couldn't activate it | |
| [21:01] <juanito> i mean enable it | |
| [21:02] <juanito> i'm not very good with linux yet | |
| [21:02] <juanito> ;( | |
| [21:02] <Jan|> brandonban6, its not like I go buy every MS book on windows, but I find windows easyer to learn because of the GUI presence for everything | |
| [21:02] <vinnl> What do you mean by "couldn't"? Was the button grey, did it provide an error message, ...? | |
| [21:03] <juanito> each time i wanted to enable firestarter gave me an error | |
| [21:03] <vinnl> What did it say? | |
| [21:03] <juanito> buffffffff | |
| [21:03] <brandonban6> Jan|, likewise with Linux and CLI apps. | |
| [21:03] <juanito> jolly bad remembering errors | |
| [21:03] <juanito> ;P | |
| [21:04] <vinnl> That's not very helpful :P | |
| [21:04] <vinnl> Well, I'd say you just try agian :) | |
| [21:04] <juanito> i'm sorry i couldn't be of more help | |
| [21:04] <vinnl> Heh, I can imagine ;-) | |
| [21:04] <juanito> i know errors are important to share | |
| [21:04] <juanito> but | |
| [21:04] <vinnl> It d oesn't really matter if it works now and if it doesn't we'll have the error message :) | |
| [21:05] <juanito> i'm in a virtual machine | |
| [21:05] <juanito> that could have been the problem that day | |
| [21:05] <juanito> ? | |
| [21:05] <juanito> i don't know | |
| [21:06] <juanito> i will try to run it again tomorrow | |
| [21:06] <juanito> and i will tell you what happens | |
| [21:07] <vinnl> :) | |
| [21:07] <juanito> is vmware available for linux? | |
| [21:07] <juanito> i mean free | |
| [21:08] <vinnl> I thought so | |
| [21:08] <vinnl> If not, there are excellent alternatives | |
| [21:08] <vinnl> !virtualbox | |
| [21:08] <ubottu> virtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available from !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox | |
| [21:08] <juanito> yes | |
| [21:08] <juanito> i heard about it the other day | |
| [21:08] <knome> juanito, vmware player 2 is, yes. | |
| [21:08] <juanito> great program or so it seems | |
| [21:09] <vinnl> vmware-server is in Canonical's partner repo | |
| [21:09] <juanito> thanks knome | |
| [21:09] <vinnl> Yes, it is :) | |
| [21:09] <knome> i think you can't find vmware player in canonical repos, but you can download it from the vmware site | |
| [21:09] <juanito> has anyone of you installed the package mentioned before | |
| [21:09] <juanito> xubuntu restricted extras? | |
| [21:09] <knome> the installation is quite straightforward as it includes only running one script | |
| [21:10] <brandonban6> virtualbox is amazing.......I work in an windows enviroment. So I run xp on vbox and use Linux for all that I can. | |
| [21:10] <vinnl> Yep, I have | |
| [21:10] <knome> juanito, i have it, yep. | |
| [21:10] <vinnl> Ha! Beat you! :P | |
| [21:10] <knome> :P | |
| [21:10] <knome> that was only a second option O;) | |
| [21:10] <knome> *opinion. | |
| [21:10] <vinnl> Oh, you're allowed extra time for that? :P | |
| [21:10] <charlie-tca> I have too | |
| [21:11] <knome> yes, because i'm on bluetooth+phone | |
| [21:11] <juanito> i tried kubuntu too | |
| [21:11] <juanito> o didn't like it very much | |
| [21:11] <vinnl> Ah, I just read ;-) | |
| [21:11] <knome> i'll be in the same line as you once i get my adsl modem. | |
| === brandonban6 is now known as brandonban6[away | |
| [21:12] <juanito> i even tried suse | |
| [21:12] <juanito> ;) | |
| [21:12] <juanito> open SUSE | |
| [21:12] <vinnl> :P | |
| [21:12] <knome> i think xubuntu is the most starightforward and since jaunty, the most beautiful distro | |
| [21:12] <knome> O:] | |
| [21:13] <juanito> you seem very happy with xubuntu | |
| [21:13] <juanito> i envy you | |
| [21:13] <knome> aren't you happy with xubuntu? :) | |
| [21:13] <juanito> installed it 10 minutes ago | |
| [21:13] <charlie-tca> juanito: it is just trying enough until one fits you. | |
| [21:13] <juanito> ;)) | |
| [21:13] <juanito> ;P | |
| [21:14] <charlie-tca> I tried almost everything I could find before Ubuntu and then Xubuntu | |
| [21:14] <juanito> you know | |
| [21:14] <charlie-tca> and I have the floppies and cd's still | |
| [21:14] <juanito> i'm very bad with the terminal | |
| [21:14] <knome> charlie-tca is right. but anything but xubuntu is objectively a wrong choice, even if *you* thought something else is better for you | |
| [21:14] <juanito> i wanted something easy to use | |
| [21:15] <vinnl> Haha xD | |
| [21:15] <juanito> light | |
| [21:15] <juanito> and amiable | |
| [21:15] <knome> (x)ubuntu is the easiest to use. and xubuntu is light. | |
| [21:15] <charlie-tca> no leaning there, knome? | |
| [21:15] <juanito> i quickly understood that linux is quite easy if you just want certain things | |
| [21:16] <juanito> but if you want to use it intensely.......... | |
| [21:16] <charlie-tca> xubuntu is the best one for lightweigt with gui | |
| [21:16] <juanito> oh my | |
| [21:16] <juanito> the more i read the more questions i had | |
| [21:16] <vinnl> Heh, very recognisable ;-) | |
| [21:16] <vinnl> All those acronyms... | |
| [21:16] <charlie-tca> should have tried OS/2 | |
| [21:16] <juanito> ;( | |
| [21:16] <knome> charlie-tca, not at all. i think the prepared artwork for xubuntu jaunty just makes xubuntu beat everthing. :D | |
| [21:16] <SiDi> juanito, honnestly, i dont use windows at all and i feel ok | |
| [21:17] <vinnl> +1 :) | |
| [21:17] <SiDi> i dont experience much bugs (except when testing jaunty :p), and i'm pretty happy withh what i can do of my system | |
| [21:17] <juanito> my sister uses windows so i have to share that piece of shit | |
| [21:17] <juanito> jaja | |
| [21:17] <charlie-tca> no windows on my 5 systems | |
| [21:17] <juanito> wow | |
| [21:17] <juanito> a very good user of linux you must be | |
| [21:17] <charlie-tca> It kind of gets in the way of working on them | |
| [21:18] <vinnl> No Windows on 100% of my systems either :P | |
| [21:18] <charlie-tca> good word choice | |
| [21:18] <charlie-tca> juanito: I am the lead tester for Xubuntu, so I test on different systems that I have,. | |
| [21:19] <charlie-tca> I try to make sure it will work for everybody else, if I can. | |
| [21:19] <juanito> jeje | |
| [21:19] <juanito> i just want to find my distro | |
| [21:20] <juanito> i think xubuntu is quite nice | |
| [21:20] <SiDi> it is for sure :) | |
| [21:20] * SiDi confesses he has Windoz on a PC (for Photoshop and for Dx games demos) | |
| [21:22] <charlie-tca> I guess, if you play games... | |
| [21:22] <knome> i have vmware for photoshop and decent handling of wacom tablets. | |
| [21:22] <juanito> i've got another question | |
| [21:22] <juanito> please | |
| [21:22] <knome> !ask | juanito | |
| [21:22] <ubottu> juanito: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) | |
| [21:22] <zoredache_> !ask | |
| [21:22] <knome> ;) | |
| [21:23] <knome> zoredache_, beat ya! | |
| [21:23] <vinnl> SiDi, which version of Photoshop? Photoshop CS 2 works on Wine :) | |
| [21:23] <zoredache_> yes, you did | |
| [21:23] * charlie-tca is too slow again! | |
| [21:23] <juanito> can i feal confortable using sudo as it comes with the instalation or | |
| [21:23] <juanito> do i have to edit anything | |
| [21:23] <juanito> or activate the root | |
| [21:23] <knome> vinnl, i didn't have much luck with CS2 on wine :/ | |
| [21:23] <juanito> or somethin | |
| [21:23] <juanito> remember i'm a beginner | |
| [21:23] <knome> juanito, do use sudo. | |
| [21:23] <charlie-tca> juanito: sudo should be fine the way it is | |
| [21:23] <vinnl> knome, oh... Heh, I haven't tried it myself, so :P | |
| [21:23] <SiDi> I use CS3 | |
| [21:24] <juanito> so i leave it untouched | |
| [21:24] <zoredache_> you can do a lot of damage to your system by running commands with 'sudo' but the danger isn't because of sudo, it is in what you do with it.. | |
| [21:24] <SiDi> juanito, sudo is just fine for everything ;) | |
| [21:24] <juanito> ok ok | |
| [21:24] <charlie-tca> yes, leave it untouched. It is ready to use as is | |
| [21:24] <juanito> that was my big question | |
| [21:24] <zoredache_> of course if you have good backups of your data/configuration, you can generally feel safe about doing anything. So make backups. :) | |
| [21:24] <knome> vinnl, after testing it i read somewhere that it might need some tweaks before it could work but eh - no luck with that anyway before wacom tablets are *completely* supported :) | |
| [21:25] <SiDi> CS2 *works*, but half of the keyboard shortcuts dont | |
| [21:25] <SiDi> and thats what makes photoshop so magical | |
| [21:27] <juanito> well friends time for me to go | |
| [21:27] <juanito> i can assure you it's been a pleasure to spend this hour with you | |
| [21:27] <knome> see you later, juanito | |
| [21:27] <brandonban6[away> bye juanito | |
| [21:27] <vinnl> Bye | |
| [21:28] <juanito> bye friends | |
| [21:33] <CppIsWeird> I've followed the instructions http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/howto-remove-the-borders-of-your-desktop-icon-text/ and i have also placed those configuration parameters in .gtkrc, .gtkrc-2.1-gnome, .gtkrc-2.1, none of them work. | |
| [21:35] <vinnl> CppIsWeird, those files are in your home directory? | |
| [21:35] <CppIsWeird> yes | |
| [21:35] <vinnl> And have you restarted your desktop? | |
| [21:35] <CppIsWeird> yes, including full reboots even. | |
| [21:36] <vinnl> Which version of Xubuntu are you using? | |
| [21:37] <CppIsWeird> 8.10 | |
| [21:37] <vinnl> OK, wait, I'm going to try this myself | |
| [21:37] <CppIsWeird> ok. | |
| [21:38] <vinnl> Ah, this might be it... | |
| [21:38] <vinnl> CppIsWeird, what do you get if you execute "xfdesktop --reload" in a terminal window? | |
| [21:41] <CppIsWeird> actually... an error referencing the file in the isntructions: .gtkrc-2.0:4: error: unexpected character '\343', expected string constant | |
| [21:42] <vinnl> Good | |
| [21:42] <vinnl> That's because Wordpress converted the quotes in that blog post | |
| [21:42] <CppIsWeird> ah, so if i retype this, it should work? | |
| [21:43] <vinnl> I think so, this should be correct: http://pastie.org/409790 | |
| [21:43] <vinnl> Wait, this: http://pastie.org/409790.txt | |
| [21:46] <vinnl> CppIsWeird, and, does it work? | |
| [21:47] <CppIsWeird> xfdesktop --reload, no error, but borders are still there | |
| [21:48] <vinnl> You might have to logout and log back in again | |
| [21:48] <CppIsWeird> k. | |
| [21:49] <CppIsWeird> fuck yeah. | |
| [21:49] <CppIsWeird> nice, thanks. :-) | |
| [21:50] <vinnl> yw :) | |
| [21:50] <vinnl> Then I'm off now, bye :) | |
| [21:50] <CppIsWeird> later | |
| [21:50] <charlie-tca> see you later, vinnl | |
| [21:53] <CppIsWeird> hey charlie | |
| [21:53] * charlie-tca waves at CppIsWeird | |
| [21:53] <CppIsWeird> remember my other issue a day or so ago with comparing two directories? | |
| [21:53] <charlie-tca> yeah | |
| [21:53] <CppIsWeird> rsync. :P | |
| [21:53] <charlie-tca> Get it to work? | |
| [21:54] <charlie-tca> great! | |
| [21:59] <SiDi> damn , i just discovered the function i was using in order to retrieve my external ip address was having failures :( | |
| === charlie-tca is now known as charlie-tca_ | |
| [22:02] <CppIsWeird> charlie, are you from south africa? | |
| === charlie-tca_ is now known as charlie-tca | |
| [22:05] <charlie-tca> No, CppIsWeird. USA | |
| [22:05] <CppIsWeird> ah, just noticed you were in quite a few ubuntu rooms, including a dev one. | |
| [22:05] <charlie-tca> Yes, I do a lot of bug triage work and testing | |
| [22:06] <CppIsWeird> cool | |
| [22:28] <noaXess> how to i set a swap partition from console? | |
| [22:28] <noaXess> or is there a default one in 8.10 | |
| [22:28] <zoredache_> what do you mean set a swap partition? | |
| [22:29] <zoredache_> from start to finish, you would create the partition, prepare it with mkswap, update your /etc/fstab, and then do a swapon -a | |
| === zoredache_ is now known as zoredache | |
| [22:30] <noaXess> zoredache: need i do that on installation or while a running system? | |
| [22:30] <noaXess> can i do | |
| [22:31] <noaXess> ok. there is a swap partition :) | |
| [22:31] <zoredache> when you do a standard install and the the installer automatically setup the partitions it should do that for you | |
| [22:31] <noaXess> /dev/sda5 5003 5221 1759086 82 Linux swap / Solaris | |
| [22:31] <noaXess> ok.. | |
| [22:31] <noaXess> what size does it have? | |
| [22:33] <zoredache> run the command cat /proc/meminfo | |
| [22:33] <zoredache> if your swap is setup then you should see a value larger then 0 on the SwapTotal line | |
| [22:48] <noaXess> i need libltdl3, but can't install it, cause: Package libltdl3 is not available, but is referred to by another package | |
| [22:48] <noaXess> how can i find out, which package i need to install or which source i need to install libltdl3? | |
| [22:50] <knome> noaXess, have you enabled universe/multiverse repositories? | |
| [22:50] <zoredache> may I ask what you need that library for? | |
| [22:50] <charlie-tca> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/ is what I use. | |
| [22:50] <zoredache> noaXess: it appears that libtdl3 has been superceded by libltdl7 in the repositories (at least on intrepid) | |
| [22:51] <noaXess> knome: that are the backports, right? | |
| [22:51] <knome> noaXess, nope. | |
| [22:51] <knome> noaXess, maybe zoredache already found the solution. | |
| [22:51] <noaXess> zoredache: then.. a app that uses libltdl3 can work with the libltdl7? | |
| [22:52] <noaXess> im installing zimbra on 8.10.. | |
| [22:52] <noaXess> by the way.. www.zimbra.com | |
| [22:52] <zoredache> noaXess: unfortunatly, I am not sure about that... sometimes an older app can use newer libraries.. sometimes it can't it depends on how much the library has changed | |
| [22:52] <noaXess> zoredache: ok.. then, better is to test it ; | |
| [22:53] <noaXess> zimra cs is just tested on 8.04 LTS... not on 8.10.. but i want it on 8.10.. | |
| [22:54] <noaXess> can i make any symbolik link to libltdl7.. name of symlink should be libltdl3 | |
| [22:54] <zoredache> you can try, it shouldn't break anything to create a symlink. | |
| [22:54] <zoredache> I don't know if it will work though | |
| [22:55] <noaXess> zoredache: where is libltdl7? | |
| [22:59] <dejeN> hi , germans here ? | |
| [23:00] <noaXess> jap | |
| [23:00] <noaXess> but is there no german xubuntu channel? | |
| [23:00] <charlie-tca> !de | |
| [23:00] <ubottu> In den meisten ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuchen Sie bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Geben Sie einfach /join #ubuntu-de ein! Danke für Ihr Verständnis. | |
| [23:00] <dejeN> thanks | |
| [23:01] <charlie-tca> You are welcome | |
| [23:01] <charlie-tca> That must be right? | |
| [23:02] <noaXess> !info libtool | |
| [23:02] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu only has this channel, to the best of my knowledge. Ubuntu has several languages. | |
| [23:02] <ubottu> libtool (source: libtool): Generic library support script. In component main, is optional. Version 2.2.4-0ubuntu4 (intrepid), package size 496 kB, installed size 1288 kB | |
| [23:03] <noaXess> the software i want to install need libltdl3 instead of libltdl7.. is there a way to make a sym link from libltdl3 to libltdl7? | |
| [23:03] <noaXess> where is library libltdl7 located? where should it be? | |
| [23:04] <charlie-tca> Did you install libtool? | |
| [23:04] <charlie-tca> You can use locate libltdl7 in a terminal to try to find it. | |
| [23:04] <noaXess> jep | |
| [23:05] <noaXess> charlie-tca: http://paste.ubuntu.com/127492/ | |
| [23:06] <charlie-tca> take a look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/libltdl7-dev.list and see if it tells you anything else | |
| [23:06] <noaXess> charlie-tca: jap.. | |
| [23:07] <noaXess> found it.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/127493/ | |
| [23:08] <charlie-tca> so you can symlink this /usr/lib/libltdl.so.7.1.2 to the name you need | |
| [23:08] <noaXess> ok | |
| [23:09] <noaXess> charlie-tca: thanks | |
| [23:09] <charlie-tca> no problem. | |
| [23:11] <noaXess> still MISSING: libltdl3 if i install my app.. | |
| [23:11] <noaXess> http://paste.ubuntu.com/127495/ | |
| [23:11] <knome> charlie-tca, wrong package name referred in the deb? | |
| [23:11] <charlie-tca> No, wrong name in link | |
| [23:12] <charlie-tca> or maybe just not compatible with it | |
| [23:12] <noaXess> charlie-tca: ? | |
| [23:12] <charlie-tca> Could be one of those packages that just won't use libltdl7 | |
| [23:12] <noaXess> hm.. | |
| [23:12] <noaXess> it's zimbra.. | |
| [23:12] <charlie-tca> It might insist on libltdl3 | |
| [23:13] <charlie-tca> and you can't trick it | |
| [23:13] <noaXess> hm.. can i remove the 7 version and install the 3 version from a package? | |
| [23:13] <charlie-tca> I am not a developer, so I really don't know how to answer that | |
| [23:14] <noaXess> ok.. but thanks.. | |
| [23:14] <charlie-tca> I don't know if it will something else. Sometimes you can just add another package and they work, sometimes it breaks it | |
| [23:14] <charlie-tca> s/will something/will break something | |
| [23:15] <charlie-tca> That might be why zimbra isn't been used in 8.10 yet, too | |
| [23:18] <noaXess> ha.. | |
| [23:18] <noaXess> charlie-tca: have removed the 7 version and installed that one from hardy.. just a test.. :) | |
| [23:18] <noaXess> and no missing lib on zimbra install | |
| === sancas__ is now known as sancas | |
| [23:20] <charlie-tca> Now if only nothing else broke... Good luck | |
| [23:21] <charlie-tca> or, you installed that just for zimbra and everything is great! | |
| [23:22] <SiDi> reminds me the trouble i had with libiptc | |
| [23:22] <SiDi> it just disappeared from ubuntu | |
| [23:23] <SiDi> if you want it, you gotta get iproutes' source and write your own makefile to compile and install the lib | |
| [23:23] <charlie-tca> That sounds like much more fun | |
| [23:24] <SiDi> actually no | |
| [23:24] <SiDi> i'm not good with Makefiles | |
| [23:24] <SiDi> and after i got rid of it, i noticed i was missing another lib | |
| [23:24] <SiDi> for which there wasnt any package either | |
| [23:24] <SiDi> i just gave up :D | |
| [23:24] <charlie-tca> \o/ | |
| [23:24] <SiDi> now that i'm at my parents' home i got a super cool UPNP router so i can test my code without such problems :P | |
| [23:25] <SiDi> but my nat-pmp support code for my torrent client is completely broken, don't know why though :( | |
| [23:27] <noaXess> if i need perl-5.8.8 instead of 5.10.0 is there a way to install 5.8.8, is there a package? is see only perlapi-5.8.8 | |
| [23:32] <charlie-tca> perl 5.8.8 was in hardy | |
| [23:36] <charlie-tca> If you are going to do all that, you might need this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto#Introduction%20to%20Holding%20Packages | |
| [23:42] <SiDi> What hour is it in the US, charlie-tca ? | |
| [23:42] <charlie-tca> Where I am, 4:42pm | |
| [23:43] <SiDi> almost 1 am here :P | |
| [23:43] <charlie-tca> Should be in bed? | |
| [23:43] <charlie-tca> Oh, hell. I been on this thing for 12 hours now | |
| [23:43] <charlie-tca> (computer, not IRC) | |
| [23:44] <SiDi> means you woke up pretty early :P | |
| [23:44] <charlie-tca> on some days. but only when I don't sleep much | |