| [03:23] <savvas> so community-themes is dropped and not supported? | |
| [03:24] <_MMA_> savvas: How so? | |
| [03:25] <savvas> Conflicts: community-themes | |
| [03:25] <savvas> using: apt-cache show gnome-themes-ubuntu | |
| [03:26] <_MMA_> Looks like they might have been moved. | |
| [03:27] <savvas> but not all? | |
| [03:27] <savvas> I guess Kin is outdated then? :) | |
| [03:28] <_MMA_> savvas: We should stop guessing. ;) | |
| [03:28] <savvas> haha ok | |
| [05:23] <ApOgEEk> hi all | |
| [06:04] <o0Chris0o> hi | |
| === khashaya` is now known as khashayar | |
| [12:44] <_MMA_> Nice! (Colin's last comment on bug 326501) | |
| [12:44] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 326501 in tasksel "wrong description for ubuntustudio-desktop " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/326501 | |
| [12:44] <_MMA_> gah. Wrong channel | |
| [12:45] <_MMA_> Speaking of bugs still... | |
| [12:45] <_MMA_> kwwii: How do you wanna handle bug 343940? | |
| [12:45] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 343940 in gtk2-engines-murrine "murrine needs update to 0.90.0 (diff.gz attached)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/343940 | |
| [12:45] <_MMA_> (this is what I PM'ed you about) | |
| [12:53] <kwwii> _MMA_: someone should subscribe main sponsors | |
| [12:53] <kwwii> after there is a pacakge | |
| [12:53] <kwwii> package | |
| [12:55] <_MMA_> kwwii: The diff isn't enough? | |
| [12:55] <kwwii> _MMA_: it might be, not sure about that because that is not how I do my stuff | |
| [12:55] <kwwii> as images are diff-able | |
| [12:55] <kwwii> aren't | |
| [12:55] <_MMA_> khashayar: ^^^ | |
| [12:56] <kwwii> subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors and pitti :) | |
| [12:56] <_MMA_> kwwii: Well in addition to that can you do some poking? | |
| [12:56] <kwwii> _MMA_: how well has this stuff been tested? | |
| [12:57] <_MMA_> kwwii: How well was the last one tested? :) | |
| [12:57] <kwwii> quite well, actually | |
| [12:57] <kwwii> not that it need be bug free, but it shouldn't introduce and new problems | |
| [12:57] <_MMA_> kwwii: Well, Cimi stakes his rep on this one. ;) | |
| [12:58] <_MMA_> kwwii: is pitti part of ubuntu-main-sponsors? | |
| [12:58] <_MMA_> (don't wanna sub him twice) | |
| [12:59] <_MMA_> kwwii: He's on the team. I don't think I should sub him directly. | |
| [12:59] <_MMA_> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-main-sponsors/+members | |
| [12:59] <kwwii> _MMA_: ping him in chat | |
| [13:00] <_MMA_> kwwii: I just think you would get a little more traction on this if you did. (when you get a min) | |
| [13:01] <kwwii> ok, I'll ask him | |
| [13:05] <kwwii> _MMA_: hehe | |
| [13:05] <kwwii> 14:04 < seb128> the gtk2-engines-murrine has been updated by a desktop team contributor this morning and is waiting for sponsoring | |
| [13:06] <kwwii> see how hard that was? | |
| [13:08] * khashayar is here | |
| [13:08] <khashayar> _MMA_: Am I needed? | |
| [13:15] <_MMA_> khashayar: I don't know now... :) | |
| [13:16] <_MMA_> kwwii: Ok.. Was it from that bug? If not, I guess it should be closed. | |
| [13:18] <khashayar> _MMA_: Cool. I'll be around for a while in case anything's needed from me. | |
| [13:18] <_MMA_> k | |
| [13:23] <kwwii> _MMA_: no idea, all I know is what seb told me | |
| [13:24] <_MMA_> k | |
| === khashaya` is now known as khashayar | |
| [19:17] <thorwil> *yawn* | |
| [19:20] * _MMA_ scratches self. | |
| [19:26] * kwwii stares at _MMA_ scratching | |
| [19:26] <kwwii> in a funky kinda bad way | |
| [19:27] <_MMA_> :P | |
| [20:13] <kwwii> Cimi: did you see that murrine made it in jaunty? | |
| [20:52] <kwwii> MadsRH: did you see my email? | |
| [20:52] <kwwii> not that I am the most important person in the world, but I figured I should ask :-) | |
| [21:13] <MadsRH> kwwii -> Yes I just read it now. (sorry for the late reply) | |
| [21:13] <MadsRH> kwwii -> I asked for the source, but he didn't sent it. I don't think he speaks/writes english very well | |
| [21:19] <knome> source for what? | |
| [21:43] <kwwii> MadsRH: or he simply doesn't have it | |
| [21:43] <kwwii> I imagine that a lot of what we get are copies of copies | |
| [21:43] <kwwii> and people just don't know | |
| [21:43] <MadsRH> kwwii -> actually I think he doesn't | |
| [21:44] <kwwii> MadsRH: if possible I would like to ask again | |
| [21:44] <kwwii> it is very well liked amongst the brass in canonical | |
| [21:44] <kwwii> I showed them your ldm theme and they shit | |
| [21:45] <kwwii> proverbiably speaking | |
| [21:45] <kwwii> :-) | |
| [21:45] <kwwii> so +1 for you from the bosses | |
| [21:45] <MadsRH> there's (perhaps) an issue. If he isn't the creator of this artwork, it could be copyrighted | |
| [21:45] <kwwii> MadsRH: well, you asked and got a resonse, right? | |
| [21:46] <kwwii> and it seems to be legit | |
| [21:46] <kwwii> if he lied, how can we know? | |
| [21:46] <MadsRH> he he, that is wonderful news - but I just colored the artwork ;-) | |
| [21:46] <kwwii> I mean, if you have seen the pic somewhere else, please admit it | |
| [21:46] <kwwii> I haven't | |
| [21:46] <kwwii> I remember seeing it on gnome-look | |
| [21:46] <kwwii> but that is all | |
| [21:46] <kwwii> at the time I liked it | |
| [21:47] <kwwii> I never considered doing what you did to it, and what you did is really nice :-) | |
| [21:47] <kwwii> in any case, if someone knows something about that pic and wants to warn us, they should | |
| [21:47] <MadsRH> well that's just it. I'm writing Stéphane as we speak, because I found very very similar images on www.shutterstock.com | |
| [21:47] <kwwii> hehe, ouch | |
| [21:48] <MadsRH> I'll try to find the link again and send it to you, | |
| [21:48] <kwwii> if it is really similar and protected we are up the creek | |
| [21:48] <kwwii> erm, sending it to me is probably bad | |
| [21:48] <kwwii> just be sure it is really the thing and *then* send it to me | |
| [21:48] <kwwii> not to be stupid | |
| [21:48] <kwwii> but don't just start sending me similar pics | |
| [21:48] <kwwii> as they really kills deniability | |
| [21:49] <kwwii> :) | |
| [21:49] <kwwii> if it is the same pic, please let me know | |
| [21:49] <kwwii> or a *very* apparent copy | |
| [21:49] <MadsRH> okay, i get your point - by similar i mean a match ;-) | |
| [21:49] <kwwii> ouch | |
| [21:49] <kwwii> that sucks | |
| [21:50] <kwwii> ok, send it to me | |
| [21:50] <kwwii> :( | |
| [21:50] <kwwii> people suck | |
| [21:50] <kwwii> lol | |
| [21:50] <MadsRH> It cought my eye beacuse it is the exact same as the one on Gnome-look. Not fliped or colored - a match | |
| [21:50] <kwwii> instead of learning how to do art I should have learned how to program a computer to do art | |
| [21:50] <kwwii> MadsRH: well, it depends on the license of the original pic | |
| [21:51] <kwwii> if it really is a copy | |
| [21:51] <kwwii> in the meantime, this is *really* important | |
| [21:51] <kwwii> as they are considering including it as a second wallpaper in Jaunty | |
| [21:51] <knome> about what pic are we talking about? :P | |
| [21:51] <MadsRH> Hopefully I've bookmarked it in Jaunty so I'll have to reboot | |
| [21:52] <kwwii> knome: "this is not the pic I are looking for" I say, waving my hand in a jedi manner | |
| [21:52] <kwwii> erm | |
| [21:52] <kwwii> well | |
| [21:52] <kwwii> close enough | |
| [21:52] <knome> ...right | |
| [21:52] <MadsRH> kwwii -> a second? I'm really looking forward to the first :-D | |
| [21:53] <kwwii> MadsRH: dude...be real | |
| [21:53] <kwwii> ubuntu is brown | |
| [21:53] <kwwii> deal with it | |
| [21:54] <kwwii> roses are red, violets are blue, ubuntu is brown, and that is the color of fecal matter I laughingly say :p | |
| [21:54] <kwwii> although "that's the color of poo" fits as well | |
| [21:54] <MadsRH> kwwii -> perhaps you got me wrong, nevermind. I'll just reboot and find the bookmark. If you're not here I'll email you | |
| [21:55] <kwwii> MadsRH: please do, I will be up for a while but watching a film | |
| [21:55] <kwwii> so it might take a bit to respond | |
| [22:04] <_MMA_> Cimi: Do we have to change anything in the themes shipping with Ubuntu to be more compatible with this new version of Murrine? | |
| [22:04] <Cimi> they will work | |
| [22:05] <_MMA_> k | |
| [22:05] <Cimi> though it should be time to upgrade them | |
| [22:05] <Cimi> ehm | |
| [22:05] <Cimi> rewrite them | |
| [22:05] <_MMA_> Any suggestions? | |
| [22:05] <Cimi> of course | |
| [22:05] <Cimi> wait 1 minute | |
| [22:05] <_MMA_> k | |
| [22:10] <Cimi> _MMA_, https://code.launchpad.net/~murrine-themes-team/murrine-themes/common-gtkrc | |
| [22:10] * _MMA_ looks | |
| [22:11] <Cimi> _MMA_, this is a good template, it contains fixes for many applications and custom widgets | |
| [22:11] <_MMA_> Cimi: Cool. I'll have to work on it ASAP. | |
| [22:11] <_MMA_> ("it" being Studio's theme) | |
| [22:12] <Cimi> feel free to branch if you want | |
| [22:12] <Cimi> so you can merge the changes | |
| [22:12] <Cimi> everytime a new fix arrives we update that gtkrc | |
| [22:13] <_MMA_> k | |
| [22:18] <Cimi> kwwii, you should set that link as your new firefox homepage | |
| [22:19] <kwwii> Cimi: no doubt | |
| [22:20] <Cimi> kwwii, it will fix all your issue/hacks into Human | |
| [22:20] <Cimi> you won't need them any longer | |
| [22:21] <kwwii> Cimi: erm, so what can we change for Jaunty? | |
| [22:21] <kwwii> in the human theme, I mean | |
| [22:21] <kwwii> that is qutie important as we are two days before beta | |
| [22:21] <kwwii> erm, quite | |
| [22:21] <Cimi> what you should do is: rm -rf --force --destroy --nuke Human/gtk-2.0/gtkrc | |
| [22:22] <Cimi> what you will do... ehm I don't know :-) | |
| [22:22] <kwwii> please, this is really important that we get it right...really, at this time with everything else going on around it is really, really important | |
| [22:22] <Cimi> kwwii, you should get the common-gtkrc's gtkrc from that branch | |
| [22:22] <Cimi> and adjust colors and styles | |
| [22:23] <Cimi> using shade and not mix and other wrong ways | |
| [22:25] <Cimi> _MMA_, you should do the same for ubuntustudio, but I'm sure it is not dramatic as Human | |
| [22:25] <_MMA_> Cimi: I will be, but not for Jaunty. | |
| [22:26] <Cimi> Human was a theme done for ubuntulooks, which contains some strange things into the code (like static colors etc etc) which required hacks in the gtkrc to have them changed | |
| [22:26] <Cimi> when Human switched to murrine, the gtkrc taken as a base was the same, and the ubuntulooks's custom code remains | |
| [22:27] <Cimi> for example | |
| [22:28] <Cimi> that's why the Human metacity is much darker then the selected bg color chosen in the gnome control center | |
| [22:28] <kwwii> Cimi: HEY, in case you haven't noticed it is one day before the beta freeze | |
| [22:28] <kwwii> I simply don't have time to do taht | |
| [22:28] <kwwii> that | |
| [22:28] <Cimi> kwwii, rewriting a theme could be done in 30minutes | |
| [22:28] <Cimi> ok | |
| [22:28] <kwwii> I am working on like 3 other things at the same time | |
| [22:29] <kwwii> I have been up since 8 my time | |
| [22:29] <Cimi> yeah | |
| [22:29] <kwwii> it is 23:30 | |
| [22:29] <Cimi> I'm not forcing you to this for jaunty | |
| [22:29] <kwwii> but we need it for jaunty, really | |
| [22:29] <Cimi> I'd just like to point out the importance of this thing | |
| [22:30] <Cimi> kwwii, ask lucazade | |
| [22:30] <kwwii> yeah, me too | |
| [22:30] <Cimi> when he will come back | |
| [22:30] <Cimi> he is very good | |
| [22:35] <Cimi> kwwii, I have asked Luca on facebook, but it is not online now | |
| [22:43] <dashua> kwwii: I can help re-write Human, I'm sure I have a variation around somewhere all based on the murrine common-gtkrc. | |
| [22:43] <dashua> Give me some direction and I'll get started. | |
| [22:43] <Cimi> kwwii, yeah dashua has good experience too | |
| [22:44] <dashua> My contrast might be a bit low though ;p | |
| [22:45] <Cimi> don't touch contrast | |
| [22:45] <Cimi> I will refine the theme | |
| [22:45] <dashua> Ok | |
| [22:46] <dashua> I'm going to get rid of all of those mix hacks as I think I may have already. | |
| [22:48] <Cimi> kwwii, there's lucazade too | |
| [22:49] <lucazade> hi all | |
| [22:49] <kwwii> hi lucazade | |
| [22:49] <kwwii> please make me happy now | |
| [22:49] <kwwii> :p | |
| [22:49] <kwwii> immediately if possible | |
| [22:49] <kwwii> :D | |
| [22:49] <kwwii> sorry | |
| [22:51] <_MMA_> haha | |
| [22:52] <kwwii> lucazade: I am trying to find someone who understands the new murrine engine enough to port the human gtkrc to the newest bling | |
| [22:52] <MadsRH> kwwii -> did you get my email? | |
| [22:52] <kwwii> and Cimi tells me you rock | |
| [22:52] <kwwii> MadsRH: yes, did you get mine? | |
| [22:52] <kwwii> it has a few company peeps in CC | |
| [22:53] <kwwii> so it is killed | |
| [22:53] <kwwii> and we will look into options tomorrow | |
| [22:53] <kwwii> MadsRH: you also rock for taking care of this | |
| [22:53] <lucazade> thanks.. dunno if rock.. :) i can try to make some modification to human theme | |
| [22:53] <kwwii> thanks so much | |
| [22:53] <MadsRH> Oh, just got it now (hate rebooting all the time :-)) | |
| [22:53] <kwwii> lucazade: trust me, if you spend an hour knowing what you are doing on the human theme you rock | |
| [22:54] <lucazade> is there anything you dislike more? | |
| [22:54] <Cimi> lucazade, of course, consider common-gtkrc as a base | |
| [22:57] <lucazade> i'll post here o i'll tell to cimi if i get something nice | |
| [23:03] <kwwii> lucazade: the thing is, we need to stay pretty close to the look of human for this release...for akrmic we are free to roam | |
| [23:04] <lucazade> ok kwwii | |
| [23:05] <Cimi> kwwii, metacity? | |
| [23:06] <kwwii> Cimi: yes, we are still using it | |
| [23:06] <kwwii> reluctantly | |
| [23:06] <Cimi> can we fork the Clearlooks theme and make it similar to Human? | |
| [23:07] <Cimi> Clearlooks theme is 30% faster and compatible with dark themes | |
| [23:15] <Cimi> lucazade, I've removed the shadows around the comboboxentry's button | |
| [23:15] <Cimi> just like clearlooks | |
| [23:15] <lucazade> haven't tried yet .. going to check it | |
| [23:17] <Cimi> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/175266/Schermata.png | |
| [23:18] <Cimi> lucazade, see firefox's address bar | |
| [23:18] <lucazade> :) | |
| [23:19] <Cimi> like yes/no | |
| [23:19] <Cimi> ? | |
| [23:20] <lucazade> yes is nice, btw i liked also the previous one | |
| [23:21] <lucazade> which was the issue with it? | |
| [23:21] <lucazade> no needs of shadow? | |
| [23:22] <Cimi> lucazade, I think that it doesn't look consistent with the entry | |
| [23:22] <lucazade> ok | |
| [23:23] <lucazade> yes more consistent, i agree | |