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| [02:30] <Demerzel> hello folks | |
| [02:31] <Demerzel> can you guys recommend a decent IR receiver (USB) for use with mythbuntu 8.10? I don't need the transmitter portion just yet | |
| [02:32] <Demerzel> oh and commercial too since i'm all thumbs with a solder gun unfortunately | |
| [02:36] <Demerzel> hah | |
| [02:36] <Demerzel> figures i join when everyone's asleep :) | |
| [02:39] <tgm4883> Demerzel, i'd recommend the MCEUSB2 IR receiver | |
| [02:39] <Demerzel> ah you're awake :) | |
| [02:40] <tgm4883> I like the remote, and the receiver that comes with it is pretty decent | |
| [02:40] <tgm4883> yea, filling out a job app right now | |
| [02:40] <Demerzel> usb? | |
| [02:40] <Demerzel> sweet | |
| [02:40] <Demerzel> works fine with the version of lirc in 8.10? | |
| [02:40] <tgm4883> yep, works good here on my 8.10 setup | |
| [02:41] <tgm4883> the remote is the recommended remote too | |
| [02:41] <tgm4883> !mceusb2 | |
| [02:41] <Zinn> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote | |
| [02:41] <Demerzel> cool | |
| [02:41] <Demerzel> the one on the very right? | |
| [02:41] <Demerzel> philips one? | |
| [02:41] <Demerzel> looks sexy .. high WAF | |
| [02:42] <Demerzel> now i just gotta figure out where to buy one | |
| [02:42] <Demerzel> checking that wiki page | |
| [02:43] <tgm4883> I have the one 3rd from the left | |
| [02:43] <tgm4883> actually, I have 4 | |
| [02:44] <Demerzel> haha | |
| [02:44] <Demerzel> i'm hoping to grow to that | |
| [02:44] <Demerzel> i just got my first diskless fe setup | |
| [02:44] <Demerzel> works like a champ except no remote | |
| [02:45] <Demerzel> does that receiver come bundled with other hw? | |
| [02:45] <Demerzel> e.g. the remote? or do you need to get a tuner with it? | |
| [02:45] <tgm4883> just remote and receiver | |
| [02:45] <Demerzel> hmm checking newegg | |
| [02:45] <tgm4883> you might have to grab it off ebay though | |
| [02:46] <Demerzel> ah ok | |
| [02:46] <Demerzel> discontinued? | |
| [02:47] <tgm4883> IIRC, yea. Because technically I believe it is the Windows XP MCE remote | |
| [02:48] <tgm4883> an important thing to look for when grabbing that, is make sure you get one that can learn some regular remote codes. Because then you don't need a second remote to turn on/off your tv and for volume | |
| [02:49] <Demerzel> well | |
| [02:49] <Demerzel> i have a logitech harmony | |
| [02:49] <Demerzel> i figure that should have a mce remote config | |
| [02:49] <Demerzel> realistically all i really need is the ir receiver | |
| [02:50] <tgm4883> oh well then you are fine | |
| [02:56] <Steve_> hi everyone | |
| [02:56] <Demerzel> tgm4883: is that the kind of ir receiver it comes with? | |
| [02:57] <Demerzel> http://tinyurl.com/c7xe23 | |
| [02:57] <Steve_> ive installed mythbuntu for the first time, trying to figure out how to get my kworld120 workin... not sure how to get mercurial installed | |
| [02:57] <Steve_> if anyone cares to help... | |
| [02:57] <tgm4883> Demerzel, yep, thats the exact one I have | |
| [02:57] <Demerzel> sorry man i got no info on that | |
| [02:58] <Demerzel> tgm4883: cool ... time to snipe :) | |
| [02:58] <tgm4883> an added benefit, is that it also has 2 ir blaster ports | |
| [02:58] <Steve_> dem, if you're talkin to me... thanks anyways... | |
| [02:58] <Steve_> im doing some searches | |
| [02:58] <Steve_> i think i just need the right repository | |
| [03:00] <Steve_> oh holy crap, looks like you gotta download the source and build | |
| [03:00] <Steve_> fun stuff :) | |
| [03:01] <Demerzel> haha | |
| [03:02] <Demerzel> it's more fun if you've got a diskless frontend | |
| [03:02] <Steve_> well | |
| [03:02] <Steve_> as it turns out i must've misspelled it or something | |
| [03:02] <Steve_> because sudo apt-get install mercurial just worked | |
| [03:02] <Steve_> lol | |
| [03:02] <Steve_> i need a beer | |
| [03:03] <tgm4883> Steve_, i'm not sure thats what you think it is | |
| [03:04] <Steve_> im not sure what mercurial is at all really | |
| [03:04] <tgm4883> unless you are looking for a distributed version control system | |
| [03:04] <Steve_> im just trying to follow the instructions on the myth wiki for getting this card to be recognized | |
| [03:04] <Steve_> hmm | |
| [03:04] <tgm4883> which IIRC is not the same thing as what you are looking for | |
| [03:04] <tgm4883> it's like ubiquity and ubiquity | |
| [03:05] <tgm4883> the same, but very different | |
| [03:05] <Steve_> hmm | |
| [03:05] <Steve_> well | |
| [03:05] <Steve_> actually my problem originally was that i capitalized the M | |
| [03:05] <Steve_> but, otherwise, its spelled just how it is in these instructions | |
| [03:05] <tgm4883> link? | |
| [03:05] <Steve_> perhaps its related to another step i need to follow to get this thing workin' | |
| [03:05] <Steve_> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Kworld_ATSC_120 | |
| [03:05] <Steve_> I'm at the step-by-step under "Making it work" | |
| [03:06] <tgm4883> hmm | |
| [03:06] <tgm4883> actually, I think you are fine | |
| [03:06] <Steve_> honestly i have my doubts about this working at all because i installed the 64 bit version of mythbuntu... | |
| [03:06] <Steve_> and the xc3028 python script only worked with the generic driver | |
| [03:06] <Steve_> not sure if you know what im talkin about | |
| [03:07] <Steve_> thanks for the bit of reassurance with mercurial though :) | |
| [03:07] <tgm4883> what version of mythbuntu are you using? | |
| [03:07] <Steve_> 8.10 | |
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| [03:23] <rhpot1991> Demerzel: last I checked tigerdirect had them | |
| [03:23] <rhpot1991> also I use a mceusb2 receiver with my harmony 880, works like a charm | |
| [03:26] <Steve_> ATSC channels scanning in | |
| [03:26] <Steve_> must've done it right | |
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| [03:32] <Demerzel> back | |
| [03:32] <Demerzel> rhpot1991: thx man | |
| [03:34] <Demerzel> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3390588&CatId=1428 | |
| [03:34] <Demerzel> rhpot1991: that remote matches the second from the left on the mythtv page | |
| [03:34] <Demerzel> i'm assuming that receiver works too | |
| [03:35] <Steve_> looks like a nice remote | |
| [03:41] <Steve_> anyone have any advise on how to install mceusb2? | |
| [03:41] <Steve_> that's my next task... | |
| [03:42] <tgm4883> Steve_, err, plug it in? | |
| [03:42] <Steve_> hmm | |
| [03:42] <Steve_> well.. | |
| [03:42] <Steve_> i have an anyware remote, plugged in... | |
| [03:42] <Steve_> i read that i need to use mceusb2, im guessing thats some sort of driver | |
| [03:43] <Steve_> yeah maybe ill just figure it out :) | |
| [03:46] <Steve_> so, picking media center remotes in the menu loads lirc_dev and lirc_mceusb2 modules | |
| [03:46] <Steve_> so i guess thats that | |
| [03:46] <Steve_> remote no worky though... trying reboot | |
| [03:47] <tgm4883> did you restart the frontend? | |
| [03:48] <Steve_> no, i didnt... but im restarting the computer now | |
| [03:49] <rhpot1991> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1644435&CatId=358 | |
| [03:49] <rhpot1991> Demerzel: ^^^ | |
| [03:49] <rhpot1991> thats the one I used to use (still use the receiver) | |
| [03:49] <Demerzel> sweet | |
| [03:49] <Demerzel> danke schon! | |
| [03:49] <Demerzel> getting that now | |
| [03:50] <Steve_> yeah, remote works | |
| [03:50] <Steve_> maybe i need to try things more before i just shout out on here what im doing :) | |
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| [09:41] <z1pp3r> Hi! I'm trying to setup the IR receiver which is in my laptop (mythbuntu). However, whenever i run mode2 or irw, i get "connection refused" even when i'm root. Most of the guides are specificly made for a certain remote, but how to i find out which IR chip my laptop has? Couldn't find anything obvious in lspci or dmesg | |
| [09:48] <mycosys> Hi Guys :)can anyone help with custom resolutions under the nV restricted driver? trying to get 1440x1080_50.00 for PAL playback | |
| [09:51] <z1pp3r> mycosys, I'm not sure, but couldn't you just specify the resolution in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? | |
| [09:51] <mycosys> thought it wasnt used anymore? tried to do it with xrandr but got errors | |
| [09:52] <mycosys> worked fine with the ATI card i had in there- but the display corrupted every time i ran TV lol | |
| [09:52] <mycosys> now runnin an ol GeForce2 | |
| [09:57] <z1pp3r> xorg.conf is still used, it replaced XF86Config-4 quite some time ago tho... To be honest i'm not sure if there is a better way of doing stuff like that, but making changes in xorg.conf *works* | |
| [09:57] <z1pp3r> xrandr should be able to change the resolution for you though, hmm | |
| [14:43] <Joker_-_> whats up with nvidia tv-out outputting too large image for the screen? | |
| [14:44] <jlevy> My mythbuntu box's kernel crashes every few days (keyboard lights flashing). I don't see anything about the crash in /var/log/messages. Is there any other log I can check for info on the crash? | |
| [14:44] <Joker_-_> jlevy: is hardware failure totally out of possibilities? | |
| [14:45] <jlevy> Joker_-_: I ran memtest for 5 passes, no errors. | |
| [14:45] <Joker_-_> could be the cpu, either overheating or power supply nmot giving enought power? | |
| [14:46] <jlevy> Joker_-_: hmmm, any good linux diagnostics for cpu? | |
| [14:46] <Joker_-_> cpuburn ? | |
| [14:46] <Joker_-_> it runs your cpu at 100% | |
| [14:47] <Joker_-_> run it a few times (number of processors +1) and if theres something that could fail, it will | |
| [14:47] <Joker_-_> be aware that it could damage your computer tho | |
| [14:47] <Joker_-_> if it does overheat, this is gonna fry it | |
| [14:47] <jlevy> Joker_-_: It's difficult for me to believe that it's the it's a load issue though | |
| [14:47] <Joker_-_> so better watch out | |
| [14:47] <Joker_-_> could be the power supply aswell u know | |
| [14:47] <jlevy> because the system has never crashed while recording or watching tv, or any kind of use | |
| [14:48] <Joker_-_> it crashes when... ? | |
| [14:48] <jlevy> only happens after days of idling | |
| [14:48] <Joker_-_> anything in bios like "suspend" | |
| [14:48] <Joker_-_> you know, ACPI | |
| [14:48] <jlevy> I'll take a look. | |
| [14:49] <Joker_-_> anything like suspend, low voltage things can lead to crashes like that | |
| [14:50] <Joker_-_> a computer that crashes is generally because it needs more power (voltage) or it overheats (too much voltage). Either way you can "correct" these problems by downclocking your CPU | |
| [14:51] <jlevy> Joker_-_: ACPI suspend state => S3 state | |
| [14:51] <Joker_-_> then you've got the hardware failure.. power supply isnt giving proper current, cpu is dying... etc | |
| [14:51] <Joker_-_> S3? | |
| [14:52] <jlevy> choices are s3 and s1 | |
| [14:52] <Joker_-_> doesnt gives me much informations heh | |
| [14:52] <Joker_-_> you'd need your mobo's manual | |
| [14:53] <Joker_-_> can't you like "disable" the whole power management thing? | |
| [14:55] <Joker_-_> Disabling power management prevents all the power management tho. Beware that if the CPU overheats, you'll have no protection. | |
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| [14:55] <Joker_-_> Disabling power management prevents all the power management tho. Beware that if the CPU overheats, you'll have no protection. | |
| [14:55] <jlevy> sorry, got disconnected for a minute. did I miss anything? | |
| [14:56] <Joker_-_> I've asked you if you could diables the whole power management thing | |
| [14:56] <Joker_-_> then told you what I just copied | |
| [14:57] <jlevy> it appears that's not an option | |
| [14:57] <Joker_-_> strange... | |
| [14:57] <Joker_-_> do you see anything concerning hard drive power down and VGA suspend... something like that? | |
| [14:57] <jlevy> If I select S3 for ACPI suspend state | |
| [14:57] <jlevy> there is another option | |
| [14:58] <jlevy> "Video Repost" | |
| [14:58] <jlevy> "Video repost will allow the video BIOS to be initialized coming out of S3. Some video controllers require this to be enabled" | |
| [14:59] <Joker_-_> what is S3? | |
| [14:59] <Joker_-_> is that a german board or what? :) | |
| [14:59] <jlevy> "S1 is the safest mode but consumes more power. S3 consumes low power but drivers may not support this state." | |
| [15:00] <Joker_-_> go S1 then... but what the %$ is that thing | |
| [15:00] <Joker_-_> I,m clueless | |
| [15:00] <jlevy> This is the original board in an oldish (2.8ghz) gateway tower | |
| [15:01] <jlevy> So does mythbuntu actually go into suspend mode when it's idle? | |
| [15:01] <Joker_-_> maybe you could surf the web for informations on this board versus power management | |
| [15:02] <jlevy> It looks like these settings have to do with low power states, and as far as I know the machine just runs full power all the time | |
| [15:02] <Joker_-_> well, mine does... mythbuntu isnt anything special in fact. It's simply xubuntu (ubuntu using xfce's dexktop instead of gnome), with myth-tv already installed and configured. | |
| [15:03] <jlevy> If it did suspend, I would hear HDDs turn off, etc. right? | |
| [15:03] <Joker_-_> depends on suspend mode... | |
| [15:03] <Joker_-_> but your bios is not talkative | |
| [15:03] <jlevy> It does turn off the display.... | |
| [15:03] <jlevy> maybe that's the issue | |
| [15:03] <jlevy> ok this gives me a lot to think about and troubleshoot. thanks a lot Joker_-_! | |
| [15:04] <Joker_-_> maybe it tells your video card to suspend the output, then throw less power at it, and poof something goes wrong, the card is underpowered and it crashes | |
| [15:04] <jlevy> Joker_-_: right. I'll play with the suspend settings | |
| [15:04] <Joker_-_> or maybe it's just the power supply that gives bad power at low voltages... | |
| [15:05] <jlevy> Joker_-_: I think I have a spare. I can test that too. | |
| [15:05] <Joker_-_> could be a few things, have a nice week of testing ;) | |
| [15:05] <jlevy> Joker_-_: Oh I will. Thanks again! | |
| [15:05] <Joker_-_> np | |
| [15:05] <Joker_-_> dont forget to google your board + your problem | |
| [15:06] <jlevy> Joker_-_: Ok, good idea | |
| [15:07] <Joker_-_> so what about nvidia's drivers outputting an image larger than what the TV can handle (overscan)? Any workaround yet? | |
| [15:07] <Joker_-_> besides, the screen flickers from time to time | |
| [15:09] <Joker_-_> it flickers only when whatching TV (tv-tuner) on a snowy channel tho... I guess it's not related but who knows... | |
| [15:17] <jlevy> Joker_-_: where can I configure suspend options? | |
| [15:18] <Joker_-_> power management | |
| [15:18] <jlevy> Joker_-_: ok, I was thinking of command line, but I can do that | |
| [15:21] <jlevy> Joker_-_: actually, I don't see that in xfce | |
| [15:21] <Joker_-_> it's in the control panel iirc | |
| [15:34] <wombo1> What version of LIRC will be included in 9.04? | |
| [15:35] <wombo1> will it be the latest? I am hoping it has the Antec LCD driver | |
| [16:11] <foxbuntu> wombo1, 1.0.18a | |
| [16:11] <foxbuntu> er sorry not a | |
| [16:12] <foxbuntu> and thats alsa :) | |
| [16:12] <foxbuntu> lirc: 0.8.4a-0ubuntu3 | |
| [16:13] <foxbuntu> wombo1, which lcd driver? | |
| [16:14] <foxbuntu> wombo1, iirc its just the Soundgraph IR/LCD device unless Antec has release a new version of the hardware into the wild | |
| [16:14] <foxbuntu> wombo1, the patch required to make it work was on LCDProc not LIRC | |
| [16:17] <foxbuntu> Joker_-_, the only way to properly handle overscan is via mode lines in xorg.conf and its TV specific, you will need to attempt to find information about your TV and then research using mode lines, I personally just live with the bit of overscan I get from my machine | |
| [16:19] <tgm4883> foxbuntu, do you know if that patch made it into lcdproc? | |
| [16:19] <foxbuntu> Joker_-_, also Mythbuntu is a bit more than xubuntu + mythtv, thats a little over simplified. | |
| [16:19] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, I dont know...there was talk about getting it submitted but I dont know if anyone ever actually did it | |
| [16:20] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, I actually should have tried the other night but used my wiki because I knew it worked | |
| [16:21] <tgm4883> doesn't look like it | |
| [16:21] <tgm4883> based on the bug comments | |
| [16:21] <foxbuntu> didnt think it did | |
| [16:21] <tgm4883> there is a ppa with it available | |
| [16:21] <foxbuntu> no one wanted to take on regression testing for it | |
| [16:23] <foxbuntu> I would have to look over the ppa version as well...the version packaged in the repos is slightly different in Ubuntu than the upstream version I noticed (at least the install/build methods) | |
| [16:24] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, I think the patch might break normal imon hardware | |
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| [20:23] <kingartus> hey... | |
| [20:23] <edistar> hi chaps. Is it possible to use both a satellite and antenna tuner card on one mythbuntu backend? | |
| [20:24] <edistar> (and move seamlessly between stations) | |
| [20:24] <kingartus> i have a als TV card from hauppauge with the BT878 chip... | |
| [20:24] <kingartus> will that card running with mythbubntu? | |
| [20:24] <kingartus> out of the Box? | |
| [20:25] <edistar> kingartus, if it is supported by video4linux and mythtv, yes | |
| [20:25] <kingartus> i dont know | |
| [20:26] <kingartus> at the Moment i have installt it in Ubuntu 8.10 | |
| [20:26] <kingartus> it runnst | |
| [20:26] <kingartus> i think not out of the Box but it runns | |
| [20:26] <kingartus> ok.. | |
| [20:26] <edistar> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Tuner_Card#Cards_tested_with_MythTV | |
| [20:27] <kingartus> i need a Orbiter or somethink like that... | |
| [20:27] <kingartus> to remote mythtv from a oter pc. exist some programm for that? | |
| [20:32] <kingartus> when i have a clean Ubuntu, can i install mythbuntu pakeges? | |
| [20:32] <kingartus> or i need the ISO dvd? | |
| [20:33] <edistar> kingartus, you can install the mythbuntu metapackage | |
| [20:33] <kingartus> exist al List of the Needed Packages? | |
| [20:35] <edistar> kingartus, http://www.mythbuntu.org/existing-ubuntu | |
| [20:35] <kingartus> thanks | |
| [20:36] <kingartus> and can i remote Mythbuntu from a Other pc? | |
| [20:37] <edistar> you can do a lot via the web interface | |
| [20:37] <edistar> such as set up recording | |
| [20:37] <kingartus> i test Linuxmce... there exist a Orbiter for remote from PDA, ore pc | |
| [20:38] <kingartus> http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Image:Main-menu.jpg | |
| [20:39] <edistar> ok | |
| [20:39] <kingartus> it seems to be nice... | |
| [20:40] <kingartus> but linuxmce dosent work with my Hardware | |
| [20:44] <kingartus> i hope mythbuntu work | |
| [20:44] <kingartus> exist for Mythbuntu a Joost plugin, or somethink like that? | |
| [20:45] <kingartus> to watch online flash movies | |
| [20:51] <administrator> hi, I set up a database, using trunk, until I realised I am using jaunty instead of intrepid, is there a way to completely remove it all and reinstall it with a standard mythtv program | |
| [20:52] <kingartus> edistar... Like this for a Regular PC http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOzyhNuTU4k | |
| [20:56] <edistar> kingartus, if it's a mythtv plugin it will work with mythbuntu | |
| [20:56] <kingartus> hmm | |
| [20:56] <edistar> I like the remote ;-) | |
| [20:56] <kingartus> i too | |
| [20:57] <kingartus> i have a Touchscreen and will remote Mythbunto withe the Touch | |
| [20:58] <edistar> nice | |
| [20:59] <kingartus> maby This? | |
| [20:59] <kingartus> http://www.mythtv.co.nz/mythtv/?p=29 | |
| [21:01] <edistar> looks promising | |
| [21:01] <kingartus> it looks like this | |
| [21:01] <kingartus> http://www.openmedia.co.nz/openmedia/shared/images/mypvr/virtual_remote.png | |
| [21:02] <edistar> kingartus, shouldn't be to hard to get onto a tablet pc | |
| [21:03] <kingartus> yes | |
| [21:20] <kingartus> edistar.. you know linuxmce | |
| [21:20] <kingartus> ? | |
| [21:23] <edistar> kingartus, heard of it | |
| [21:23] <edistar> never installed | |
| [21:24] <kingartus> i see that | |
| [21:24] <kingartus> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2176025602905109829&hl=en | |
| [21:24] <kingartus> and it looks good, but it dosent work on my Hardware | |
| [21:24] <edistar> not nice | |
| [21:25] <edistar> buy new hardware ;-) | |
| [21:26] <administrator> hi, when I try to run mythtv-setup, I am asked whether I want to end mythbackend, when I do so, nothing happens and then I am asked, whether I want to fill mythdatabase, normally, there should be a gui, where I can change some options | |
| [21:26] <superm1> administrator, jaunty? | |
| [21:27] <administrator> yes, indeed! | |
| [21:27] <superm1> are you using trunk or fixes? | |
| [21:27] <administrator> there is no trunk for jaunty | |
| [21:27] <superm1> well there is on the PPA | |
| [21:27] <superm1> if it's not mirroring, there must be something wrong with the mirroring system (bleh if so) | |
| [21:28] <administrator> oh yes I saw that, but it says its broken for amd64 | |
| [21:28] <superm1> launchpad.net/~mythbuntu-trunk-0.22/+archive if the mirrors aren't working | |
| [21:28] <superm1> it should be OK on amd64 now | |
| [21:28] <superm1> plugins - that's another story for another day | |
| [21:29] <superm1> however, if you want to debug your current problem, i suspect one of two problems | |
| [21:29] <superm1> 1) bug 341898 | |
| [21:29] <administrator> I only need to add it to sources.conf? | |
| [21:29] <Zinn> Bug 341898 in mythtv "Mythtv frontend does not display any fonts" [Unknown, New] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/341898 | |
| [21:29] <superm1> 2) you started a trunk install, installed the DB, and then went back to the repo or fixes version | |
| [21:30] <hads> and logs should tell you about that. | |
| [21:30] <superm1> administrator, yeah you'd add the source on that webpage to your /etc/apt/sources.list | |
| [21:30] <superm1> yeah, so most definitely go check logs in /var/log/mythtv | |
| [21:30] <superm1> or use mythbuntu-log-grabber to post them here | |
| [21:30] <administrator> yes, that was quite stupid | |
| [21:30] <superm1> so if it's (2), then you'll want to log into mysql and drop the database, then run dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database to reinstall the fixes version | |
| [21:53] <jlevy> I'm using a wintv pvrusb2, and it's been working for months. All of the sudden /dev/video1 is gone! Any thoughts on where it went or how to get it back? I tested the device, and it still works on a windows machine. | |
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| [23:24] <wombo1> Sorry guys I had to go to bed | |
| [23:24] <wombo1> I will be installing 9.04 + trunk either this weekend or the following, I will report back on how it goes if needed | |
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