| [00:07] <Seeker`> @bansearch sircrazy | |
| [00:07] <ubottu> No matches found for sircrazy!*@* in any channel | |
| [00:12] <ubottu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood) | |
| [00:18] <elky> ##windows trolls, it looks like. | |
| [01:49] <Pici> !staff | /who n=opirc appears suspicious, already had two of them ctcp version #ubuntu already | |
| [01:49] <ubottu> /who n=opirc appears suspicious, already had two of them ctcp version #ubuntu already: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel, tomaw, Gary, Vorian, PriceChild or stew, I could use a bit of your time :) | |
| [02:29] <ubottu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, funkyHat said: !! in general is great | |
| [04:03] <Flannel> Hi phix, how can we help you today? | |
| [04:40] <Flannel> Oh, you're muted. | |
| [04:55] <elky> here? | |
| [04:55] <Myrtti> seems so | |
| [04:59] <elky> phix, please explain why we should consider removing your bans. | |
| [05:02] <elky> he's been idle for an hour and a half. i'm removing him and he can return when he's around | |
| [05:03] <Myrtti> sounds ok | |
| === mneptok is now known as mnepton | |
| === mnepton is now known as mneptok | |
| === SportChick is now known as essy | |
| === essy is now known as donna | |
| === donna is now known as sc-phone | |
| === sc-phone is now known as essy-afk | |
| === essy-afk is now known as lagchick | |
| === lagchick is now known as botchick | |
| === botchick is now known as spamchick | |
| === spamchick is now known as cleanchick | |
| === cleanchick is now known as bossychick | |
| === bossychick is now known as sportchick_ | |
| === sportchick_ is now known as stupidchick | |
| === stupidchick is now known as sportchicky | |
| === sportchicky is now known as birthdaychick | |
| === birthdaychick is now known as deressy | |
| === deressy is now known as evilessy | |
| === evilessy is now known as SportChick | |
| [07:47] <Flannel> time to identify on all your nicks, eh? | |
| [07:47] <SportChick> yeah - don't want anything to get dropped tomorrow | |
| [08:02] <elky> oh good grief... | |
| [08:14] <Myrtti> as christel said in one of the notifys, you could have used another client or part all your channels for that ;-) | |
| [08:14] * Myrtti smacks mneptok | |
| [08:16] <Myrtti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/193268/ | |
| [08:20] <elky> Myrtti, are we short of spots again? | |
| [08:20] <Myrtti> no, I just joined #ubuntu and I usually check that once in a while | |
| [08:20] <elky> it's time to go through that lovely collection attributed to the network too | |
| [08:25] <elky> especially the ip-only ones | |
| [09:55] <jussi01> ikonia: ping | |
| [10:00] <elky> i'm opping up just incase | |
| [10:02] <jussi01> Ive got #k #k-ot and #k-devel | |
| [10:02] <Myrtti> ubuntu, xubuntu, offtopic, women and -fi | |
| [10:04] <Myrtti> it's back up... | |
| [10:04] <Myrtti> was that it? | |
| [10:05] <jussi01> christel: is it done? | |
| [10:08] <christel> no! i just patched services first! it shall be done in a second, i just need to fire up the snapshot of the db on testnet for reference for after! | |
| [10:10] <elky> i was about to say, that's suspiciously quick... | |
| [10:10] <christel> now its done :) | |
| [10:10] <elky> yay, no flooding off | |
| [10:55] <elky> going to start cleaning out ip bans that dont resolve anymore | |
| [11:12] <christel> :) | |
| [11:13] <christel> if you guys notice any oddness with the ubuntu namespaces after the clear-out, please let me know so we can restore channels to whomever now needs them | |
| [11:14] <christel> some will have had expired founders and as such have dropped either to freenode-staff or off the face of the planet, we're running a snapshot elsewhere from pre-prune in order to easily rectify any namespace issues as a result of expiry | |
| [11:18] <tsimpson> perhaps we should transfer #kubuntu (and -devel) to Riddell (rather than freenode-staff) | |
| [11:18] <elky> christel, ^^ | |
| [11:18] <Myrtti> tsimpson: or add Riddell? | |
| [11:19] <tsimpson> he's on the list, just not the "founder" | |
| [11:19] <tsimpson> so no +F | |
| [11:19] <Myrtti> so modify his flags then ;-) | |
| [11:19] <tsimpson> I haz no powerz! | |
| [11:20] <tsimpson> hmm, I don't even have "op" flags :s | |
| [11:20] <bazhang> :0 | |
| [11:21] <christel> elky, tsimpson done (#kubuntu + devel) | |
| [11:21] <tsimpson> only missing +iR though | |
| [11:26] <tsimpson> the only other #k channel missing a founder is #kubuntu-hr, I don't think it's active though | |
| [11:26] <tsimpson> ah it's +f #ubuntu-hr | |
| [11:26] <tsimpson> along with #kubuntu-cro | |
| [11:30] <ubottu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) | |
| [11:30] <ubottu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) | |
| [11:32] <bazhang> whoa nasty shell names | |
| [11:32] <jrib> yeah | |
| [11:32] <elky> um, all three floodbots are opped? | |
| [11:33] <bazhang> only two there fb2 is mia | |
| [11:33] <tsimpson> it's there | |
| [11:33] <tsimpson> just been deopped by 1 and 3 | |
| [11:33] <bazhang> yep | |
| [11:34] <Myrtti> I had a thought... | |
| [11:34] <Myrtti> meh. | |
| [11:36] <bazhang> he erased bash? is that even possible? | |
| [11:37] <Myrtti> why wouldn't it be? | |
| [11:38] <bazhang> it is required, not sure how he could run commands without it | |
| [11:38] <Myrtti> myrtti@reipas:~$ ls -lah /bin/sh Exit Code: 1 | |
| [11:38] <Myrtti> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2009-05-18 11:15 /bin/sh -> dash | |
| [11:39] <Myrtti> I'm *sure* you knew that... | |
| [11:39] <bazhang> dash ? yes, but he wants to reinstall bash | |
| [11:39] <Myrtti> yes, but the point is, why wouldn't he be able to erase bash - he most likely isn't using it... | |
| [11:40] <bazhang> he did it by mistake he says | |
| [11:41] <Myrtti> and aptitude reinstall doesn't work? | |
| [11:44] <Myrtti> so he's screwed | |
| [11:45] <bazhang> ah he hasnt even tried yet | |
| [11:46] <elky> mmm, laksa | |
| [11:47] <elky> is he in his system, or dropped into busybox? | |
| [11:56] <indus_> hi | |
| [11:57] <indus_> a tip > i think mods are too quick to classify a question as off topic | |
| [11:57] <indus_> ok thats all for now bye | |
| [11:59] <bazhang> discussing downgrade options should be for brainstorm or #ubuntu-offtopic | |
| [11:59] <Myrtti> indeed | |
| [11:59] <bazhang> indus_, ^^ | |
| [12:00] * popey would wget the bash executable from another machine... | |
| [12:00] * popey had to do this once with the python executable | |
| [12:00] <Myrtti> popey: he doesn't have zee interhwebs... | |
| [12:00] <popey> live cd? | |
| [12:00] <Myrtti> *shrug* | |
| [12:00] <bazhang> other computer, probably windows | |
| [12:00] <popey> *shrug* also | |
| [12:01] <bazhang> has not even tried though (trying to decipher his Mandarin English) | |
| [12:01] <indus_> bazhang: Myrtti:yes i can understand,but we are humans arent we and i think its ok to just mention a line in main channel no? | |
| [12:01] <Myrtti> indus_: its ok as well to note that it's offtopic for it, then :-) | |
| [12:01] * indus_ searches for channel #human-psychology :) | |
| [12:01] <bazhang> indus_, there is a channel for support, and one for chatting :) | |
| [12:01] <indus_> Myrtti: hehe yes point noted | |
| [12:02] <indus_> ok keep up the good work bye folks | |
| [12:03] <popey> \o/ polite people articulating complaints well | |
| [12:03] <popey> what is the world coming to | |
| [12:03] <bazhang> haha | |
| [12:03] <Myrtti> *snerk* | |
| [12:03] <bazhang> that was the guy that Chatwatch was harassing earlier | |
| [12:14] <elky> chatwatch looked like so much fun | |
| [12:17] <Gary> I miss chatwatch | |
| [12:17] <bazhang> hehe | |
| [12:22] <christel> hahahaha | |
| [12:22] <christel> he was quite amusing | |
| [12:30] <ubottu> In ubottu, ikanobori said: !no, snuxoll is will slay you using seveas: http://snuxolldragonslayer.com/ | |
| [12:34] <jrib> lol... | |
| [12:35] <jrib> so anyone know how to get apparle (using mibbit) into #kubuntu? | |
| [12:35] <apparle> Please allow me to connect to #kubuntu via http://mibbit.com | |
| [12:35] <Myrtti> someone with the magic wand does an +e for him | |
| [12:36] <bazhang> bacta is unbanned in #ubuntu ?? | |
| [12:38] <apparle> bazhang: what?? | |
| [12:38] <Myrtti> apparle: nevermind | |
| [12:39] <apparle> so who has the magic wand | |
| [12:41] <apparle> Myrtti: what did you mean by a +e | |
| [12:42] <Myrtti> apparle: a technical exception for you to be able to join | |
| [12:42] <tsimpson> apparle: you should be able to join now | |
| [12:44] <apparle> tsimpson: I am still not able to | |
| [12:44] <tsimpson> odd, I set a +e | |
| [12:44] <apparle> I get this on #ubuntu-proxy-users [#ubuntu-proxy-users] /!\ ATTENTION /!\ This is NOT #ubuntu. | You have been sent to this channel because you are using a proxy service such as Tor or Cgi:IRC. There are better ways to be anonymous. | CGI:IRC users, try connecting to freenode via port 8000, 8001 or 8002. This _may_ bypass your firewalls | Please type !proxy f | |
| [12:45] <apparle> set it again | |
| [12:46] <tsimpson> oops, I missed a 'e' off the end, try again please | |
| [12:47] <apparle> thanks...........If I need it again where should I check | |
| [12:47] <tsimpson> does your IP ever change? | |
| [12:47] <apparle> yes | |
| [12:48] <apparle> actually Iam not sure | |
| [12:48] <apparle> how to check | |
| [12:48] <tsimpson> it'd depend on your ISP | |
| [12:50] <apparle> I don't know because college decides the ISP .......but I connect through a college proxy server | |
| [12:52] <tsimpson> just ask in here when you want access to #kubuntu, for now anyway | |
| [12:53] <tsimpson> looks like the collage only has a small range of IPs, I may just set a +e for that range | |
| [12:55] <elky> apparle, there's no need for you to stay in this channel though | |
| [12:56] <elky> ok, can we please stop with the vanity factoids. they're seriously obnoxious | |
| [12:56] <Myrtti> I've never understood them | |
| [12:57] <elky> also bazhang, we'll pretend we dont see bacta until he messes up again. he's trying to claim he's changed, let him prove himself wrong. | |
| [13:06] <bazhang> elky, okay. he immediately started asking about release names upon entering, so don't think it will take long | |
| [13:07] <apparle> tsimpson: could you do that again.........I by chance disconnected | |
| [13:08] <tsimpson> apparle: try to join now | |
| [13:09] <apparle> tsimpson: Can you do that permanantly for my username. It is registered | |
| [13:09] <tsimpson> apparle: the +e is like a ban mode, it doesn't matter if your identified or not | |
| [13:10] <tsimpson> I did set +e on *!i=ca8d8c8?@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/* though | |
| [13:10] <tsimpson> so you should be able to connect from the collage from now on, unless there is any trouble from there ;) | |
| [13:11] <Myrtti> tsimpson: *cough* | |
| [13:11] <Myrtti> *!i | |
| [13:11] <apparle> tsimpson: can't you undo the ban for a particular "username" | |
| [13:11] <apparle> what does all that mean | |
| [13:11] <Myrtti> no, hold on, I'll get more coffee | |
| [13:12] <tsimpson> it's a small enough range to not matter too much able the *! | |
| [13:13] <Myrtti> tsimpson: I was actually thinking about the i, but nevermind | |
| [13:13] <tsimpson> apparle: it means you, and anyone on your collage IP range (and a bit more), should have unrestricted mibbit access to #kubuntu | |
| [13:13] <Myrtti> my brain is huddling towards the coffee pot | |
| [13:13] <apparle> k thanks | |
| [13:14] * tsimpson wishes we had floodbots in #k | |
| [13:14] <elky> yeah, why cant we? | |
| [13:15] <tsimpson> I don't know if we can/can't, afaik they only work in one channel (#ubuntu) | |
| [13:15] <tsimpson> I think it'd require separate bots for #k | |
| [13:15] <tsimpson> but still, /me wants | |
| [13:16] <Pici> It would... and do we really have that much traffic in #k that we need them? | |
| [13:16] <apparle> me too | |
| [13:16] <Pici> I mean, I wish we did... | |
| [13:16] <Myrtti> I thought LjL changed the bots a bit so nowadays they could connect to two channels | |
| [13:16] <Myrtti> but I don't know | |
| [13:16] <Myrtti> anyway | |
| [13:16] <tsimpson> Pici: it's mostly for mibbit/floods rather than "attack protection" | |
| [13:16] <tsimpson> not all mibbit users are Gnome/Ubuntu users | |
| [13:17] <Pici> tsimpson: I don't assume that they are. | |
| [13:17] <tsimpson> I wasn't suggesting that, just that to allow mibbit we'd need some automated management (ie floodbots) | |
| [13:18] <Myrtti> apparle: did you get to #kubuntu now? | |
| [13:18] <tsimpson> Myrtti: they did | |
| [13:18] <apparle> y | |
| [13:19] <Pricey> tsimpson: Why? | |
| [13:19] <tsimpson> apparle: you can leave here now you have access to #kubuntu :) | |
| [13:19] <apparle> tsimpson: :) ya but I'm listening to your discussion | |
| [13:20] <tsimpson> Pricey: why do we need some automated management? because I don't want to have to manage +e-e | |
| [13:20] <Pici> tsimpson: Or... perhaps we could just unban mibbit. | |
| [13:20] <tsimpson> we banned it for a reason iirc | |
| [13:20] <elky> Pici, dont make me hurt you... | |
| [13:20] <tsimpson> even #k gets trolls | |
| [13:20] <Pici> elky: Just throwing out ideas (/me hides) | |
| [13:21] <Pricey> Pici: elky: that's what i was getting at. tsimpson do you know the reason it was banned there? | |
| [13:21] <tsimpson> it was a long time ago now (a while _after_ it was set in #u though) | |
| [13:21] <elky> apparle, we rather not let everyone who comes through here stay and watch, there's enough ops talking without random people throwing comments in | |
| [13:22] <tsimpson> I'm not sure, but I could have been the one who banned it... | |
| [13:23] <tsimpson> it was sometime before ubottu it seems | |
| [13:23] <apparle> k | |
| [13:24] <tsimpson> besides, it would be nice to have some flood protection too | |
| [13:24] <tsimpson> I'm not suggesting we need 3 bots in #k, one would be able to handle it. just for mibbit and flood protection | |
| [13:25] <tsimpson> think "floodbot-light" ;) | |
| [13:27] <elky> well i'm +1 for #k getting a floodbot for those reasons | |
| [14:06] <ikonia> howdy | |
| [14:06] <ikonia> /window 37 | |
| [14:06] <ikonia> oops | |
| [14:35] <ubottu> In ubottu, Darmiel said: And there is where that an instruction in Russian? | |
| [14:50] <elky> Mamarok, keep an eye on floodbotk1 please, it's a trial | |
| [14:50] <ikonia> k1 ? | |
| [14:51] <Mamarok> ok, will do, still here for another hour | |
| [14:52] <elky> ikonia, to differentiate for the #k channel | |
| [14:54] <ikonia> interesting | |
| [15:03] <elky> killing it so i can reconfig | |
| [15:11] <elky> tsimpson, yay, it exempts! | |
| [15:12] <tsimpson> it's still in emergency mode though | |
| [15:13] <elky> yeah, it's not liking being alone | |
| [15:14] <tsimpson> it's a start at least :) | |
| [16:09] <ubottu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, dmsuperman said: !snuxoll is <reply> snuxoll will slay you using seveas! http://snuxolldragonslayer.com | |
| [16:20] <Pici> no | |
| [16:48] <christel> it's been a while since ChatWatch came to visit :( | |
| [17:23] <Gary> christel: thats 'cos it got klined :'( | |
| [17:23] <christel> :( | |
| [17:35] <tsimpson> nalioth: ping | |
| [17:37] <tsimpson> or any IRCC | |
| [17:37] <Pici> tsimpson: hm? | |
| [17:37] <tsimpson> can we get FloodBotK added to the #kubuntu access list for +o? | |
| [17:38] <tsimpson> (no one with modify permissions in #k is around) | |
| [17:38] <tsimpson> oh, the IRCC account isn't on the list either... | |
| [17:38] <Pici> and neither am I :( | |
| [17:39] <Pici> Er, not with enough access that is. | |
| [17:39] <nalioth> floodbotk? | |
| [17:40] <tsimpson> floodbotk is the account we're using for the floodbots in #k | |
| [17:40] <nalioth> right. | |
| [17:47] <Pici> jrib: were you the 'jribindisguise' from earlier today? | |
| [17:47] <jrib> Pici: yes | |
| [17:47] <Pici> jrib: okay, :) | |
| [17:48] <jrib> :) | |
| [17:48] <jussi01> tsimpson: you still need addition access for floodbotk? | |
| [17:49] * jussi01 hasnt looked... | |
| [17:50] <tsimpson> yes, if you're willing | |
| [17:50] <jussi01> tsimpson: we have floodbots for #k now? | |
| [17:51] <tsimpson> we will once I figure out how to make it work properly ;) | |
| [17:51] <jussi01> hehe | |
| [17:51] <jussi01> ok | |
| [17:51] <jussi01> so just +o then? | |
| [17:52] <tsimpson> yeah, it just needs to be able to op itself | |
| [17:52] <jussi01> ikonia: see pm | |
| [19:20] <Pici> Can someone take a look at stevecam at the 52 min of the hour in -ot.. ompaul msged me about it, but I'm in the middle of something here at work. | |
| [19:21] <Seeker`> hasn't said anything since | |
| [19:38] <Traveler7> hi, am i banned in #ubuntu? i can't join now | |
| [19:38] <Traveler7> I am via java | |
| [19:39] <Pici> Traveler7: Is it too much trouble to use a real IRC client to join #ubuntu? | |
| [19:39] <Traveler7> Pici: now I am in another PC | |
| [19:40] <Traveler7> I can't use irssi here, sorry | |
| [19:40] <jussi01> Traveler7: try using mibbit ;) | |
| [19:40] <Pici> Traveler7: What about mibbit.com ? | |
| [19:40] <Traveler7> I can't join in freenode via mibbit | |
| [19:41] <Traveler7> no problem, I'll join tomorrow | |
| [19:41] <Pici> You should be able to. | |
| [19:41] <stew> no, he shouldn't | |
| [19:41] <Pici> stew: Did I miss something? | |
| [19:42] <jussi01> stew: ? | |
| [19:44] <stew> Pici: no, you didn't miss anything, but he's not able to use mibbit | |
| [20:18] <jussi01> stew: why not? we have floodbots making exceptions for mibbit in #ubuntu? or is there some other reason? | |
| [20:18] <Pici> I have a feeling that this specific user was banned from the mibbit service itself. | |
| [20:18] <jussi01> oh... | |
| [20:19] <Myrtti> why does that nick sound so familiar | |
| [20:19] <bazhang> he was trolling -ot a while back | |
| [20:19] <Seeker`> @bansearch traveler | |
| [20:19] <ubottu> No matches found for traveler!*@* in any channel | |
| [20:19] <Seeker`> @bansearch traveler* | |
| [20:19] <ubottu> Error: Can only search for a complete hostmask | |
| [20:20] <Pici> I thought it was the default nick for the old freenode irc applet. | |
| [20:20] <bazhang> insane rants about his landlord and other such stuff | |
| [21:31] <ubottu> guntbert called the ops in #ubuntu (IRC-Monitor-521) | |
| [21:33] <bazhang> wonder if that was Chatwatch paying a call | |
| [21:33] <Myrtti> hehe | |
| [21:33] <bazhang> :) | |
| [22:53] <popey> seems club ubuntu up to their usual fun | |
| [22:56] <Flannel> popey: where? | |
| [22:56] <popey> inviting people to join the channel in prv | |
| [22:56] <Flannel> right | |
| [23:01] <jussi01> popey: where? | |
| [23:02] <jussi01> I mean, do we know where the inital contact with the prospects is happening. | |
| [23:02] <jussi01> ? | |
| [23:02] <popey> it was someone from -uk being invited to c-u | |
| [23:03] <popey> looks like it was someone who hangs out in both | |
| [23:05] <jussi01> hrm, right. | |
| [23:05] <jussi01> do we know who was doing it? | |
| [23:07] <jussi01> meh, someone else can sort it. I have an early morning and need to sleep. | |
| [23:07] <jussi01> nini | |
| [23:07] <Flannel> probably emmy | |
| [23:08] <popey> eh | |
| [23:08] <popey> sorry, heh | |
| [23:08] <Flannel> No? I wasn't in -uk, which is apparently where it all went down | |
| [23:08] <popey> dont worry about it now | |
| [23:12] <Daviey> i don't think it was a shout out for help.. just a "heads up" | |
| [23:17] <Seeker`> eugh | |
| [23:18] <ikonia> is emmy emma ? | |
| [23:18] <popey> yes | |
| [23:19] <ikonia> what the hell is she talking about ? | |
| [23:19] <ikonia> hi by the way | |
| [23:21] <ikonia> why is she playing dumb about not knowing about her promise to stop advertising club ubuntu to the cc ? | |
| [23:21] <ikonia> she's always been very open about it | |
| [23:22] <popey> she started out playing like she wasnt emma | |
| [23:22] <popey> then in a prv clearly outed herself telling me some story | |
| [23:22] <ikonia> that's why I was asking if it was her | |
| [23:22] <popey> yeah | |
| [23:23] <ikonia> she's in all the same channels and on the same isp as emma | |
| [23:23] <popey> and the private discussion i just had with kn100, he kindly pastebin'ed and plopped in cu | |
| [23:23] <popey> even after the first thing he asked was for it to be "off the record" | |
| [23:24] <ikonia> I'm tried of club-ubuntu's row | |
| [23:24] <Pricey> Which row? | |
| [23:25] <ikonia> the advertising crap, and the constant too'ing and froing | |
| [23:26] <ikonia> fed up with stupid little games, like emma pretending to not be emma, then actually being her | |
| [23:27] <ikonia> talking crap in her own channel that ubuntu is less edgy and club-ubuntu reaches out to people who love ubuntu and real linux spirited people | |
| [23:27] <Pricey> Pfft let her do what she wants in her own channel? You don't have to be there. | |
| [23:27] <ikonia> I'm not, but people do post logs | |
| [23:28] <ikonia> this whole pm'ing people to join is very tedious and old | |
| [23:28] <ikonia> and just seems to never go away despite multiple promises it will stop | |
| [23:28] <ikonia> and this odd "I'm not emma - but I am" type behaviour is just....well odd | |
| [23:29] <ikonia> can't be bothered with stupid games - if ubuntu is that bad, and the channels are that bad, just leave the channels | |
| [23:29] <ikonia> why stick in them if the ubuntu spirit is so poor ? | |
| [23:29] <ikonia> ooh yes, it's to advertise | |
| [23:29] <ikonia> can't be bothered, going to bed | |
| [23:29] <ikonia> night | |
| [23:30] <Flannel> night ikonia | |
| [23:30] <bazhang> night | |
| [23:37] <elky> it does however mean that she's evading a ban in #u | |
| [23:38] <Pricey> Which? | |
| [23:40] <elky> the one on the cloak | |
| [23:40] <elky> we leave those there as a visual statement as much as anything | |
| [23:43] <Pricey> elky: on /emma ? | |
| [23:43] <Pricey> I don't see it :S | |
| [23:45] <elky> hmm, maybe it's just -ot that's on | |
| [23:45] <Flannel> -ot and edubuntu, it looks like | |
| [23:47] <elky> my local logs only have her saying 2 lines in #u. grepping bip logs now | |
| [23:53] <elky> sebsebseb theoretical incoming | |
| [23:54] <elky> sebsebseb, why did you do that? | |
| [23:54] <bazhang> mrwes, how may we help you | |
| [23:54] <mrwes> nope...I"m out | |
| [23:55] <sebsebseb> elky: I wasn't thinking that Sara is also Sarah, and I didn't want to say he/she or him/her, so wanted to know which was more correct she or he | |
| [23:59] <elky> sebsebseb, it was rude and the poor thing feels humiliated now. | |
| [23:59] <elky> sebsebseb, you should also be talking to people there, hence saying 'you, your', rather than 'his, her' | |