| [00:33] <bdrung_> does someone have time to sponsor the merge request in bug #383307? audacious was sponsored, but without the audacious-plugins it is useless. | |
| [00:33] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 383307 in audacious-plugins "Please merge audacious-plugins 2.0.1-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/383307 | |
| [00:56] <binarymutant> still no revu ;( | |
| [01:02] <directhex> popey, been having fun on certain IRC channels i see | |
| [01:03] * directhex wonders if he's going to be moaned about on the podcast again | |
| [01:03] <binarymutant> does anyone know if the hashlib module for python errors silently or if it will print any problems? | |
| [01:08] <directhex> Ng, has your "curiosity" about certain IRC channels been fulfilled? | |
| [01:10] <james_w> nellery: congratulations | |
| [01:10] <nellery> james_w: thank you :) | |
| [01:11] <james_w> sorry I didn't leave a comment on your application, I wasn't expecting the meeting to be so soon | |
| [01:12] <nellery> james_w: no problem at all | |
| [01:16] <directhex> congratulations? nellery is the new BDFL? | |
| === asac_ is now known as asac | |
| [01:33] <nellery> could a u-u-s admin add me to the team? | |
| [01:55] <ajmitch> nellery: I guess I can remove my copy of things I was looking at sponsoring for you :) | |
| [01:56] <ajmitch> & welcome to the MOTU team | |
| [01:56] <nellery> ajmitch: thanks :) | |
| [01:57] <directhex> i for one welcome our new nellery overlords | |
| [01:58] <nellery> hehe thanks directhex | |
| [01:58] <ajmitch> directhex: get him hooked on mono drugs! | |
| [03:50] <vorian> any java experts awake? | |
| [04:01] <nellery> directhex: did you see linuxhaters reply to your mono post? | |
| [05:12] <jmarsden> I have a package bibletime 2.0-1 that was synced from Debian into Karmic, rmadison shows it is there... but I just downloaded the Karmic Alpha2 CD and using Add/Remove programs it finds only a much older 1.6.5 package... is this expected behaviour? sudo apt-get -s install bibletime finds bibletime 2.0-1 -- why are the two install tools inconsistent, and does this indicate anything I should change in my package so th | |
| [05:12] <jmarsden> at it will show up in Add/Remove Programs? | |
| [05:16] <j-dizzle> d'oh. stupid dput.cf | |
| [05:32] <StevenK> jmarsden: Did you update in Add/Remove Programs? If so, perhaps the mirror your using is out of date. | |
| [05:33] <jmarsden> I did, and I'm using whatever the default mirror is... I was deliberately emulating a user who doesn't know how to edit /etc/apt/sources.list :) | |
| [05:33] <jmarsden> Also, does Add/Remove programs use a different pacakge database than apt-get ?? | |
| [05:36] <jmarsden> Same issue with xiphos, another package recently synced into Karmic... it is visible to apt-get but not to Add/Remove Programs. | |
| [05:40] <StevenK> jmarsden: That's odd. | |
| [05:41] <StevenK> jmarsden: I'm not sure if it uses a different database to apt | |
| [05:42] <jmarsden> OK, thanks. I usually just use apt-get from the shell; I'll look at what Add/Remove Programs really does :) | |
| [06:04] <Hew> Hi MOTUs. I'm having a look at merging revelation, and I'm trying to work out if I can drop dependencies on python-gnome2-extras and python-gnome2-desktop as they are not in the latest Debian version. I've had a look at the Debian and Ubuntu changelogs, but still can't work out what's going on. | |
| [06:05] <Hew> -extras should have been dropped in the version Ubuntu has now, according to the Debian changelog and debian bug 485298 | |
| [06:05] <ubottu> Debian bug 485298 in revelation "Useless dependency on python-gnome2-extras" [Unknown,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/485298 | |
| [06:06] <Hew> and -desktop seems to be an Ubuntu change that has been around for years, but I'm not sure why | |
| [06:08] <fabrice_sp> Hew, in the changelog: depend on python-gnome2-desktop (>= 2.15.0) to be able to import | |
| [06:08] <fabrice_sp> gnomeapplet.Applet | |
| [06:09] <fabrice_sp> in version 0.4.7-4ubuntu1 | |
| [06:09] <fabrice_sp> when looking for why a change has been done, the changelog is your friend :-) | |
| [06:10] <Hew> fabrice_sp: Yes I saw that, it's quite old and I'm not sure what that means. gnomeapplet.Applet is no longer mentioned in the recent changelogs, so I'm wondering if the Ubuntu-specific change is still required? | |
| [06:11] <Hew> perhaps the gnomeapplet.Applet change no longer applies, and the dependency is just leftover? | |
| [06:11] <lifeless> Hew: just test it - remove python-gnome2-desktop and check it still works | |
| [06:11] <lifeless> Hew: what makes you think gnomeapplet.Applet is a change? | |
| [06:11] <fabrice_sp> Debian bug #377362 is mentioned. Did you had a look? (just ot see what's failing) | |
| [06:11] <ubottu> Debian bug 377362 in revelation "revelation: FTBFS: IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/share/pygtk/2.0/defs/applet.defs'" [Serious,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/377362 | |
| [06:11] <fabrice_sp> a FTBFS, so lifeless is right: drop the dependecy, and build it | |
| [06:12] <fabrice_sp> s/dependecy/dependency/ | |
| [06:12] <lifeless> [and run it after building, to be sure] | |
| [06:12] <fabrice_sp> right :-D | |
| [06:12] <Hew> thanks fabrice_sp, lifeless, will do :-) | |
| [06:13] <fabrice_sp> ;-) | |
| [06:15] <Hew> any ideas about python-gnome2-extras? I'm not sure why it's in revelation 0.4.11-3.1 as debian bug 485298 seems to say it isn't | |
| [06:15] <ubottu> Debian bug 485298 in revelation "Useless dependency on python-gnome2-extras" [Unknown,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/485298 | |
| [06:16] <fabrice_sp> Hew, it's a build dependency? | |
| [06:16] <fabrice_sp> if so, the same as before | |
| [06:16] <fabrice_sp> yeah: the bug you mention speak about a FTBFS, so the same as before | |
| [06:17] <Hew> fabrice_sp: it's a normal Depends, but I'm not sure why it's there in the current Ubuntu version | |
| [06:18] <Hew> the -4 changelog says it was removed in -3.1, which Ubuntu already has | |
| [06:18] <fabrice_sp> wrong merge, perhaps? | |
| [06:18] <Hew> yea I dunno, I'll just drop it and see what happens :-) | |
| [06:28] <fabrice_sp> I found a bug report in Jaunty that is worth a SRU (a Fail To Install), but is not yet fixed in Karmic. I have a debdif fixing this bug for Karmic and closing this bug report. is it ok? Or should I already create the SRU data? | |
| [06:31] <lifeless> Once you have it fixed in karmic, nominate for jaunty and do the sru process | |
| [06:32] <lifeless> I wouldn't close the bug report without starting the SRU process otherwise it could get lost | |
| [06:33] <fabrice_sp> ok. I'll nominate it for Jaunty, then, before attaching my debdiff | |
| [07:06] <fabrice_sp> wouah: in Karmic, we still have 57 packages that rdepends on python2.5 | |
| [07:07] <fabrice_sp> (just found 2 looking at ttp://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/ ) | |
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| [08:31] <wlx> Is there any problem with revu.ubuntuwire.org? I can not visit the site. | |
| [08:50] <popey> directhex: fun?! :) | |
| [08:51] <popey> directhex: I stayed out of that on the podcast because I am not anti-mono and didnt want to get into a lengthy heated debate about it | |
| [08:51] <AnAnt> is that about uupc ? | |
| [08:52] <AnAnt> oh, you're Alan | |
| [09:30] <AnAnt> Hello, I'm maintaining fsplib | |
| [09:30] <AnAnt> and upstream used to support two build systems: autoconf & scons | |
| [09:30] <AnAnt> now he released a version that removes autoconf support | |
| [09:31] <AnAnt> so, should I re-add the autoconf support in debian packaging, or should I use scons ? | |
| [09:31] <AnAnt> the problem with scons so far is that I cannot build shared libs with it | |
| [09:31] <AnAnt> only static lib | |
| [09:31] <AnAnt> seems that upstream didn't add necessary config options in the scons config files for shared libs | |
| [09:33] <jmarsden> AnAnt: Probably better to patch the scons config stuff and feed that patch back upstream | |
| [09:33] <AnAnt> ok, I hope I know how to do that | |
| [09:34] <jmarsden> If not, you can enjoy learning more about it :) :) | |
| [09:36] <jmarsden> http://www.scons.org/doc/HTML/scons-user/c593.html#AEN641 may help with the basics? (I'm not an scons user, that's from Googling) | |
| [09:44] <AnAnt> ok, I was able to add shared library support easily | |
| [09:45] <AnAnt> the problem is that it build libfsp.so instead of building libfsp.so.0.0.0 then symlinking libfsp.so to it | |
| [09:59] <loic-m> I need to check if some libraries are GPL2 or GPL2+ - is there any way to do it from command line short of apt-get the source? apt-cache show doesn't give me any license information. | |
| [10:00] <azeem> loic-m: packages.ubuntu.com has copyright files extracted | |
| [10:01] <loic-m> azeem: yeah, it just happen my internet is slow at the moment | |
| [10:02] <loic-m> and my computer slows to a crawl too, so the web browser is more than slugish | |
| [10:02] <azeem> I don't think there is another way | |
| [10:03] <azeem> maybe some have package tags with the license, not sure | |
| [10:03] <AnAnt> does a shared library have to be in this form: lib<name>.so.<number> ? | |
| [10:03] <AnAnt> with a lib<name>.so symlink'ed to it ? | |
| [10:04] <Madkiss> good morning folks | |
| [10:04] <Laney> loic-m: look in /usr/share/doc/package | |
| [10:06] <azeem> AnAnt: basically | |
| [10:07] <azeem> note that the lib<name>.so goes into the -dev package | |
| [10:09] <AnAnt> ok | |
| [10:13] <loic-m> azeem, Laney, thanks | |
| [10:30] <AnAnt> thanks, fixed it | |
| [10:49] <AnAnt> *.la are static libs right ? | |
| [10:51] <Madkiss> yes | |
| [10:52] <Madkiss> ("file" on the file will tell you :)) | |
| [10:52] <lifeless> actually | |
| [10:52] <lifeless> .la are libtool medatafiles | |
| [10:52] <lifeless> *metadata* | |
| [10:53] <lifeless> they can reference static or dynamic libraries, or even both | |
| [10:53] <Madkiss> oops. | |
| [10:53] <AnAnt> are they necessary in a library package file ? | |
| [10:54] <Madkiss> they go to the -dev-package | |
| [10:54] <lifeless> I think the overall consensus is to not package them | |
| [10:54] <AnAnt> ok | |
| [10:54] <lifeless> because often on linux they are more a problem than anything else | |
| [10:54] <lifeless> if there is no package-config file though, a .la can be essential. | |
| [10:54] <AnAnt> oh | |
| [10:54] <AnAnt> how can I create that .la file? | |
| [10:54] <Madkiss> lifeless: So this is one of the major differences betweendebian and ubuntu? | |
| [10:55] <lifeless> if one isn't being made, the library doesn't use libtool and you definitely don't want a .la file | |
| [10:55] <lifeless> Madkiss: no, no difference here. | |
| [10:55] <lifeless> Madkiss: its not locked in stone in Ubuntu or Debian, and opinions still vary. There are upstream[libtool] bugs about this. | |
| [10:56] <AnAnt> lifeless: the problem is that upstream switched from autoconf to scons | |
| [10:56] <AnAnt> lifeless: previously .la was built, but with scons, I dunno how to build that | |
| [10:56] <Madkiss> lifeless: I could have sworn the policy manual says something about it | |
| [10:57] <Madkiss> lifeless: but obviously you are right. nevermind, then :) | |
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| [11:45] <directhex> popey, well, "fun". it's nice to feel vindicated! | |
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| [18:40] <AnAnt> Hello | |
| [19:05] <nellery> any u-u-s admins around? | |
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| [20:31] <AnAnt> Hello, is there a DD here ?' | |
| [20:34] <jpds> AnAnt: Some, but you're better off just asking your question and people will help if they can. | |
| [20:34] <AnAnt> jpds: looking for someone to sponsor an updated package I've done for Debian | |
| [20:35] <jpds> AnAnt: So, try asking #debian-mentors on OFTC. | |
| [20:36] <AnAnt> ok | |
| [20:47] <binarymutant> anyone know when revu will be back online? | |
| [21:31] <geser> binarymutant: probably not before Monday when siretart gets time to look at it | |
| [21:32] <binarymutant> thanks for filling me in geser :) | |
| [22:00] <ebroder> Any motu-sru types around? I'm looking for advice on bug #371581 | |
| [22:00] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 371581 in erlang "erlang-base conflicts with old erlang-doc-html" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371581 | |
| [22:03] <xnox> Any motu wants to sponsor a small fix in karmic? bug #386138 | |
| [22:03] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 386138 in gmsh "FTBFS: Gcc4.4 missing includes classic fail" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/386138 | |
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| [23:36] <xnox> ls | |
| [23:39] <directhex> Desktop Documents PDF Photos Pictures Podcasts Projects Public Templates Videos | |
| [23:40] * ebroder wonders how well that scales... | |
| [23:40] <ebroder> sudo cat /etc/shadow :-P | |
| [23:40] <azeem> directhex: I bet you realized after "Podcasts" in which channel you are and that the CoC applies | |
| [23:42] <directhex> azeem, "Photos", duh! | |
| [23:44] <azeem> Photos is before Podcasts | |
| [23:44] <azeem> anyway, let's move on | |
| [23:44] <directhex> so, how about that weather, huh? | |