| [02:20] <zeroprog> hey guys im havin a little trouble learning make files http://codepad.org/Uqn2MCyY....my driver source is in /home/name/Desktop/misc-drivers | |
| [02:20] <zeroprog> http://codepad.org/Uqn2MCyY sorry (...) | |
| [02:58] <zeroprog> now i keep getting invalid format for hello.ko | |
| === pace_t_zulu_ is now known as pace_t_zulu | |
| [08:46] <btQuark> hello everyone | |
| [08:49] <btQuark> i've just tried this one successfully - after quite some time http://www.jan-steinhoff.de/linux/synaptics-usb.html what about bringing that into the kernel -the author obviously at it | |
| [09:35] <Ng> how would I want to go about interpreting the battery consumption part of the checkbox suspend tests? I suppose I should really only use it to compare against results from different kernels on the same machine? | |
| [10:00] <apw> Ng, yeah its a very subjective measure | |
| [10:01] <apw> my feeling is it should be considered only as an indication of maximum suspend time, and if its less than a day or two its fail | |
| [10:01] <apw> before some fixes i had a like 8 hour suspend time, which was definatly wrong | |
| [10:03] <Ng> bah, that means I need to put jaunty back on the machine to get a baseline to support my gut feeling that suspend time has nosedived ;( | |
| [10:03] <Ng> I also need to file a bug somewhere, some of the automated resumes didn't... resume. The LEDs changed, but I had to poke the power button | |
| [13:14] * popey filed bug 387272 but isn't sure it's a kernel bug or a desktop bug, feedback welcome | |
| [13:14] <ubot3> Malone bug 387272 in linux "[karmic] long boot time on eee 900" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/387272 | |
| [13:22] <rtg> cjwatson: do you have a cross compile environment for karmic ARM? Your patch series for udeb firmware isn't quite right for ARM (and probably other CPU arches without firmware) | |
| [13:22] <cjwatson> rtg: nope | |
| [13:22] <cjwatson> rtg: what's wrong with it? | |
| [13:23] <rtg> cjwatson: it tries to copy a firmware directory that doesn't exist. I'll see if I can fix it later today | |
| [13:23] <cjwatson> is it a bug in linux/debian/rules* or in kernel-wedge/commands/copy-firmware? | |
| [13:24] <cjwatson> cp debian/d-i/firmware/* $(builddir)/firmware/$(arch)/ | |
| [13:24] <rtg> cjwatson: linux/debian/rules | |
| [13:24] <cjwatson> oh, is it that? | |
| [13:24] <rtg> cjwatson: I think so, it was last Friday that I was messing with it | |
| [13:24] <cjwatson> no, that can't be right, that directory does exist | |
| [13:24] <cjwatson> if you can show me the error message I'll be happy to fix it | |
| [13:25] <rtg> cjwatson: I'll get to it later today. | |
| [13:25] <cjwatson> ok | |
| [15:27] <apw> cjwatson, could there be no files in there though? | |
| [15:27] <apw> then it could try and copy a file called '*' | |
| [15:28] <apw> maybe some incantation of cp -r debian/b-i/firmware/ is more appropriate | |
| [15:28] <rtg> apw: thats exactly what is happening. I can repro the problem quite easily, so I ought to be able to fix it justr as soon as I clear up soem other issues. | |
| [15:30] <apw> rtg ack | |
| [15:43] <cjwatson> rtg: did you apply all my patches? one of them creates a file in that very directory | |
| [15:43] <cjwatson> so I don't see how it would be possible for that to be empty | |
| [15:43] <cjwatson> it's not dynamic or anything, it's just a source directory | |
| [15:44] <cjwatson> i.e. in my branch, there exists a file debian/d-i/firmware/nic-modules | |
| [15:45] <rtg> cjwatson: yes, I applied all of the patches. However, I prefer patches that are bisectable so I may collapse the last 2 (once I figure out why they don't work for ARM) | |
| [15:51] <cjwatson> fine by me, perhaps I should have committed them in the opposite order | |
| [16:02] <apw> Keybuk, hey ... did you get to any testing on union mounty stuff | |
| [16:09] <Kano> hi apw ,do you want to add headers to make external dvb modules compile | |
| [16:09] <apw> which ones are missing | |
| [16:10] <Kano> cp -a drivers/ieee1394/*.h $(indep_hdrdir)/drivers/ieee1394 | |
| [16:11] <Kano> and for fglrx it would not hurt to add | |
| [16:11] <Kano> cp -a drivers/acpi/acpica/*.h $(indep_hdrdir)/drivers/acpi/acpica | |
| [16:12] <Keybuk> apw: not yet, was off on Friday | |
| [16:12] <apw> Keybuk, heh no worrie | |
| [16:12] <Kano> apw: firedtv will not compile without | |
| [16:13] <Kano> i have got a test script for dkms | |
| [16:13] <Kano> http://kanotix.com/files/fix/dkms/dvb-s2api-liplianin-dkms.sh | |
| [16:13] <Kano> that compiles all dvb drivers + some additional dvb-s2 drivers | |
| [16:14] <Kano> the same script can be used to update gspca drivers too, just a small change | |
| [16:17] <apw> Kano, that first one seems like a reasonable request, so get that into a bug... will think about the other | |
| [16:17] <apw> let me know the number so | |
| [16:17] <Kano> for the other you need an extra export too | |
| [16:17] <Kano> http://kanotix.com/files/kernel/unused-patches/2.6.30-export-flush_tlb_page.patch | |
| [16:18] <Kano> with both things my fglrx script works with 2.6.30 | |
| [16:18] <Kano> with a relatively small patch | |
| [16:18] <Kano> when you dont copy the headers the patch has to contain em, thats not really useful | |
| [16:23] <Kano> btw. i have have got a verified patch for avm draft-n usb sticks, will be most likely in 2.6.31 too | |
| [16:27] <Kano> http://kanotix.com/files/kernel/unused-patches/2.6.30-ar9170-support-1-stage-firmare+avm-fritz.patch | |
| [16:27] <Kano> you only need the firmware | |
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| [19:02] <Kano> apw: why dont you set CONFIG_HAVE_KERNEL_LZMA=y | |
| [19:03] <Kano> that compresses the vmlinuz with lzma | |
| [19:05] <apw> you mean CONFIG_KERNEL_LZMA ... and that is not guarenteed to be a good thing | |
| [19:05] <apw> the kernel is smaller, but slower to extract from the compressed form | |
| [19:05] <Kano> it is 100% a good thing | |
| [19:05] <apw> there is a trade off there dependant on disk and cpu performance characteristics | |
| [19:05] <Kano> decompress is always fast | |
| [19:05] <apw> its 2x the CPU time to decompress over the default compression | |
| [19:06] <apw> as reported by a number of sources | |
| [19:06] <Kano> which means in seconds | |
| [19:06] <Kano> .5s longer or what | |
| [19:06] <apw> which mean double the decompress time | |
| [19:06] <apw> which with a boot budget of 10s could make a difference | |
| [19:06] <apw> t | |
| [19:07] <apw> the point is that its not a slam dunk to change, as its a trade offf which needs measuring | |
| [19:07] <Kano> the load time to load the kernel is shorter | |
| [19:07] <Kano> so you win | |
| [19:07] <mjg59> I'd be amazed if the difference in size makes up for the difference in compression | |
| [19:08] <apw> the laod time is shorter yes, but on a netbook where the cpu is poor and the disk is ssd | |
| [19:08] <Kano> for live images you gain 5 mb when you compress kernel+initrd with lzma | |
| [19:08] <apw> is it going to be faster | |
| [19:08] <apw> most of that presumably comes from compressing the initrd with it | |
| [19:08] <Kano> i dont have got a netbook | |
| [19:08] <apw> Kano, and how does that affect my decision? | |
| [19:08] <Kano> apw: well when you dont change it, i change it | |
| [19:09] <apw> then you are happy, and i am happy. win | |
| [19:09] <Kano> it is just a patch i want to get rid of | |
| [19:10] <cjwatson> Kano: FWIW our live images only contain the kernel and initrd once, not twice as I saw you saying the other day | |
| [19:10] <apw> cjwatson, it does beg the question if we could use lzma for the initrd on the CD images as they are one time build compress time wise | |
| [19:10] <Kano> cjwatson: you forget the compressed filesystem! | |
| [19:10] <apw> if the kernel understands both of course | |
| [19:11] <cjwatson> if it works, I expect we could; speed is not so critical there | |
| [19:11] <cjwatson> Kano: no, I don't. | |
| [19:12] <Kano> the only way to get rid of storing it twice would be using for example grub2 as bootloader with a squashfs support module that would fetch the file from the squashfs | |
| [19:12] <cjwatson> Kano: false | |
| [19:12] <cjwatson> Kano: by demonstration, in the last several releases of Ubuntu :-) | |
| [19:13] <Kano> you have got no /boot/vmlinuz-... in squashfs? | |
| [19:13] <cjwatson> Kano: that's correct | |
| [19:13] <cjwatson> Kano: the installer knows to copy it from the ISO9660 filesystem rather than from the squashfs | |
| [19:15] <Kano> then you are forced to boot with iso-scan to isntall | |
| [19:15] <cjwatson> no you aren't, we use ubiquity | |
| [19:15] <Kano> well when you boot from network | |
| [19:16] <cjwatson> you can do that with casper/ubiquity too | |
| [19:16] <cjwatson> (might need some fixes since it's not tried very much, but it's basically possible) | |
| [19:16] <cjwatson> and I don't see why iso-scan is a problem - you ought to have /cdrom set up properly during installation from local media anyway, several bits of code assume that and may operate a bit weirdly if it isn't there | |
| [19:17] <Kano> what does happen when you used live-media-path override | |
| [19:17] <Kano> does your installer support it | |
| [19:18] <cjwatson> casper does but if you use that ubiquity will probably fail to understand what's going on. I invite anyone who has a problem with this to submit patches :-) shouldn't be hard to fix | |
| [19:18] <cjwatson> it'd just need to read casper.conf | |
| [19:18] <cjwatson> (casper does> as of karmic anywya) | |
| [19:18] <cjwatson> anyway | |
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| [19:43] <cjwatson> Kano: ... indeed, that's simple enough to do that I've just committed support for it | |
| [19:44] <Kano> do you really need the preseed option in order that your installer works correctly | |
| [19:45] <cjwatson> huh? | |
| [19:45] <cjwatson> what preseed option? | |
| [19:47] <Kano> file=/cdrom/preseed/kubuntu.seed for example | |
| [19:47] <cjwatson> it has sensible defaults for Ubuntu | |
| [19:48] <cjwatson> the preseed options arrange for the right packages to be installed appropriate to the flavour you're installing, so that we don't have to ship a separate installer for every flavour | |
| [19:49] <cjwatson> (we actually do ship a preseed file for Ubuntu too; the main relevant thing it does is to arrange to install the desktop automatically. if you don't use that preseed file then (a) you'll get asked the question on alternate/server CDs (b) it makes no difference on desktop CDs) | |
| [19:50] <Kano> so bascially it is useless on the desktop ones? | |
| [19:54] <Kano> when this is the case, why are those files on it then | |
| [20:01] <cjwatson> Kano: I didn't say that, I said that the bit that arranges to install the desktop automatically makes no difference on desktop CDs | |
| [20:02] <cjwatson> Kano: though right now it's true that none of the rest of the preseed file is relevant to desktop CDs, only DVDs; but who cares? it's easier to just tell the image building infrastructure to always include it | |
| [20:02] <cjwatson> premature optimisation => silly | |
| [20:03] <Kano> well it is at least good to know | |
| [20:03] <Kano> if i want to test u live i use currently something like | |
| [20:03] <Kano> http://kanotix.com/files/fix/grub2/config/70_ubuntu_iso | |
| [20:04] <Kano> did you ever see such a code | |
| [20:48] <Keybuk> -9 is not a happy kernel for me | |
| [20:51] <Kano> Keybuk: do you use a dvb-c card | |
| [20:54] <Keybuk> no | |
| [20:56] <Kano> whats your problem with it | |
| [20:57] <Keybuk> hard locks after the screen is switched off | |
| [21:03] <Kano> intel gfx? | |
| [21:14] <Keybuk> yes | |
| [21:52] <awe> sconklin: you have time for a build question? | |
| [23:08] <Mike-DC> Hi everyone. I'm having trouble recompiling the stock 2.6.28-11-generic kernel in 9.04. Everything compiles fine except for the Ubuntu supplied third-party drivers. I'm rebuilding from the tar.bz2 I retrieved through aptitude. Anyone run into this before and/or have any knowledge in this area? | |
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