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[04:12] <cprofitt> JanC, popey you guys here?
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[15:58] <pitti> o/
[15:58] <ttx> o/
[15:59]  * slangasek waves
[15:59] <fader> Howdy
[16:00] <heno> hey
[16:00]  * apw listens in
[16:00] <bjf> o/
[16:00]  * lool waves
[16:02] <mdz> hi
[16:02] <cjwatson> yo
[16:02] <cr3> hi folks
[16:02]  * pgraner waves
[16:03] <cjwatson> slangasek: are you chairing or is it rotating?
[16:03] <slangasek> davidm, Riddell, sbeattie, Hobbsee, ScottK: there?
[16:04] <ScottK> slangasek: Here
[16:04] <slangasek> cjwatson: I was planning to
[16:04] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[16:04] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:04. The chair is slangasek.
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[16:04] <davidm> slangasek, here
[16:04] <slangasek> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2009-06-19
[16:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2009-06-19
[16:04] <Riddell> hi
[16:05] <sbeattie> hey
[16:05] <slangasek> hi, folks
[16:05] <slangasek> as mentioned in the email, the main topic today is to gather up our feature definitions for karmic
[16:06] <slangasek> ttx has asked to go first due to time constraints
[16:06] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Server team
[16:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Server team
[16:06] <ttx> o/
[16:06] <ttx> Not much progress since last week. All specs were filed, but we have too much of them...
[16:07] <ttx> so we are in the process of prioritizing them
[16:07] <slangasek> ttx: when can we expect that work to be done?
[16:07] <ttx> slangasek: I hope on Monday.
[16:07] <ttx> slangasek: it's more on dendrobates hands right now
[16:07] <slangasek> ok
[16:07] <ttx> There is some organizational change under way in the team but it's not complete yet.
[16:08] <slangasek> is there a partial list of known confirmed specs that we should look at?
[16:08] <mdz> dendrobates: ?
[16:09] <ttx> I don't think any of them was formally approved yet.
[16:09] <slangasek> ok
[16:09] <ttx> server-karmic-eucalyptus-in-main and server-karmic-cloud-power-management are the only two already known to be Essential
[16:10] <ttx> slangasek: What exactly do you need to discuss by FeatureDefinitionFreeze ?
[16:10] <ttx> sladen: new packages ? MIRs ?
[16:11] <slangasek> known essential specs> noted, thanks
[16:11] <ttx> The spec with most impact as far as new packages is concerned is probably server-karmic-euca-javadeps-refactoring
[16:11] <slangasek> ttx: IMHO it should cover any specs for features being added in karmic
[16:12] <ttx> slangasek: that means most of ours. You want to discuss all of them quickly ? Or it doesn't make sense until they are prioritized ?
[16:13] <slangasek> let's not spend time on them right now if we don't know which ones are actually planned to be worked on this cycle
[16:13] <slangasek> is server-karmic-euca-javadeps-refactoring a prereq for server-karmic-eucalyptus-in-main?
[16:14] <ttx> slangasek: not exactly. It makes an easier MIR process to have the package refactored before it's moved to main.
[16:14] <slangasek> ok
[16:14] <ttx> slangasek: rather than moving a giant trashcan to main.
[16:14] <slangasek> yes - even if it's not a prereq, please don't defer server-karmic-euca-javadeps-refactoring for too long in the cycle :)
[16:15] <ttx> slangasek: I'm on it already :)
[16:15] <cjwatson> what milestone is server-karmic-eucalyptus-in-main targeted for?
[16:15] <cjwatson> I have an Essential spec that depends on it, which I've currently targeted for alpha 3
[16:15] <cjwatson> well, I suppose it isn't a hard dependency
[16:16] <ttx> cjwatson: we don't even know what Eucalyptus 1.6 dependencies will be yet.
[16:16] <slangasek> ttx: the only other thing I had on the list for you guys is bug #326768 - still marked as 'in progress', but no movement since last week, is mathiaz still on this?
[16:16] <cjwatson> specifically I'm referring to foundations-karmic-cloud-setup-in-server-installer
[16:16] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 326768 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 "mysqld_safe thinks mysqld has crashed when it hasn't" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/326768
[16:17] <ttx> cjwatson: yes, another related spec is server-karmic-eucalyptus-fit-on-cd
[16:17] <ttx> both are not expected to be completed before we get upstream eucalyptus 1.6
[16:18] <ttx> I'd say, not before alpha3
[16:18] <ttx> so if you depend on it I'd advise retargting
[16:18] <cjwatson> well, I should start on the installer glue anyway
[16:18] <cjwatson> it'll take a while
[16:19] <cjwatson> I'll just not be able to actually deliver something testable by the general public until later - I'll note it in the whiteboard
[16:19] <ttx> cjwatson: I expect to complete both during the platform sprint
[16:20] <ttx> slangasek: about the mysql bug, mathiaz is still on it, no progress since last week. I'll make sure he updates the bug
[16:20] <ttx> we've been busy with blueprint finalization this week :)
[16:20] <slangasek> I don't mean to imply he needs to update the bug if there's been no progress - I'd rather he spend his available time working on it
[16:21] <slangasek> ttx: anything else to discuss?
[16:21] <ttx> slangasek: nothing from our side. I hope everything will be much clearer next week.
[16:21] <slangasek> [TOPIC] QA team
[16:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA team
[16:22] <slangasek> heno, fader, sbeattie: hi
[16:22] <heno> hi
[16:22] <heno> Our roadmap is all ready: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/RoadMap Specs are written, approved and prioritised.
[16:22] <heno> It's mostly bug management, test coverage and infrastructure; not much that will land in the distro - just some Checkbox enhancements
[16:22] <heno> karmic-qa-increase-apport-adoption, karmic-qa-checkbox-expand-test-coverage, karmic-qa-cert-install-from-live-cd-images and karmic-qa-metrics-based-testing are Essential
[16:22] <slangasek> ttx: sounds good, thanks
[16:22] <slangasek> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/RoadMap
[16:22] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/RoadMap
[16:23] <heno> questions?
[16:23] <mdz> heno: well done
[16:24] <slangasek> heno: thanks. :)  Which are the ones that will land in the distro?  I notice two 'checkbox' specs under 'Infrastructure', plus 'Increase Apport Coverage' which probably counts
[16:24] <heno> thanks :) we did some heavy-handed prioritisation early on, before most of the drafting
[16:24] <fader> slangasek: Of the checkbox ones, I think only karmic-qa-checkbox-expand-test-coverage will land in the distro
[16:24] <slangasek> ok
[16:24] <fader> It will add new tests to checkbox
[16:24] <heno> slangasek: right, some checkbox tweaks and lots of aport hooks
[16:25] <fader> The other one is for internal testing of the live CD which is specific to the testing environment
[16:25] <slangasek> sounds reasonable then
[16:25] <slangasek> do you guys have any concerns about these being delivered before feature freeze?
[16:26] <heno> slangasek: ATM, no :)
[16:26] <slangasek> okie
[16:26] <heno> cr3 can give an update on live cd testing
[16:26] <slangasek> anything to discuss regarding hardware testing this week?
[16:26] <cr3> slangasek: live cd tests should start trickling in on Monday
[16:27] <fader> Nothing particularly new.  As normal, status is here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html
[16:27] <fader> As cr3 says we should start getting live cd tests soon, which is a Good Thing
[16:27] <heno> ('til now we've only tested alternates)
[16:27] <fader> We don't have recent test results as there doesn't appear to have been a recent alternate cd image to test
[16:27] <slangasek> fader: I think your hwtest-breaking network kernel bug is still 'fix committed', right?
[16:27] <cr3> live cd changes are in and just pending review, so we're in good shape
[16:27] <slangasek> yes, that's apparently my fault
[16:27] <fader> slangasek: Correct, but we haven't had an image to test with yet
[16:27] <slangasek> (and cjwatson fixed it this morning)
[16:27] <fader> So once we get one and test it I will update the bug
[16:28] <slangasek> fader: you've lost me - if it's 'fix committed', that implies it's in the git repo pending upload to karmic
[16:28] <slangasek> are you saying there's doubt about the correctness of the fix?
[16:29] <cjwatson> fader: if it's worth a quick build before the end of your week, we can do one any time from about half an hour from now onward
[16:29] <fader> slangasek: Ah, sorry, was thinking 'fix released'
[16:29] <slangasek> ok
[16:29] <fader> cjwatson: It would be nice to have but to be honest it will be easier to test next week once the live cd testing lands
[16:29] <fader> So if we wait until Monday or Tuesday that is fine... we'll be testing a lot of images then anyway
[16:30] <heno> slangasek: that's all from QA
[16:30] <slangasek> ack, thanks
[16:30] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Desktop team
[16:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop team
[16:30] <lool> Hey
[16:30] <lool> Ups, not me yet :)
[16:30] <pitti> 1spec definition is by and large in good shape: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+specs?searchtext=desktop-karmic-
[16:30] <pitti> the ones that are in drafting have been reviewed by me at least once and are just needing some clarifications
[16:31] <pitti> the main ones that are still missing are the DX changes, we have contacted them to get them ready
[16:31] <pitti> but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus should be pretty accurate now in terms of what we'll do
[16:31] <pitti> in Karmic
[16:31] <slangasek> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+specs?searchtext=desktop-karmic-
[16:31] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+specs?searchtext=desktop-karmic-
[16:32] <slangasek> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:32] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:32] <pitti> oops, ignore the "(specs in drafting, so don't take for granted yet):" from the wiki page
[16:32] <pitti> [removed now]
[16:32] <slangasek> looks good
[16:33] <pitti> wrt. your next question,
[16:33] <pitti> can't say yet whether _all_ of this will land in karmic by FF
[16:33] <slangasek> I'll have to spend some time fully absorbing that list later, and will get back to you with any concerns about individual specs
[16:33] <pitti> we were very aggressive wrt. feature goals this time, so it's likely that some low prio items won't make it
[16:33] <pitti> mostly because we'd rather break stuff now than in lazy lobster
[16:34] <slangasek> presumably those low-prio ones can get cut if they miss FF, being low-prio?
[16:34] <pitti> my goal is to have as few structural changes as possible in LL
[16:34] <pitti> right
[16:34] <pitti> essential/high -> must have
[16:34] <pitti> medium -> not the end of the world, but someone would get angry
[16:34] <pitti> low -> target of opportunity
[16:34] <pitti> that's roughly how we use them
[16:34]  * slangasek nods
[16:35] <slangasek> and I see the bug status report is up-to-date there as well, ok
[16:35] <pitti> right
[16:35] <slangasek> anything you want to highlight/discuss further?
[16:35] <pitti> there hasn't been much progress on that this week unfortunately
[16:35] <pitti> we were mostly busy with blueprints
[16:36] <pitti> not from my side right now
[16:37] <slangasek> I continue to be concerned about bug #339313 in particular; I know the focus has been on spec writing, but this bug has been something of a debacle and I'd like to be able to see it fixed soon in the cycle
[16:37] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 339313 in ubuntu-release-notes "Kubuntu Jaunty: Cannot Connect To Wireless Network with WEP shared key" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/339313
[16:37] <pitti> right, me too
[16:37] <pitti> we'll probably also SRU this
[16:37] <pitti> it can't get much worse in Karmic, so I was told
[16:37] <pitti> s/Karmic/Jaunty/, sorry
[16:38] <ScottK> Isn't that the NM update we have in -proposed already?
[16:38] <slangasek> is it?  nothing indicates that on the bug
[16:38] <ScottK> It may be a different issue.
[16:38] <Riddell> yes it is
[16:38] <ScottK> OK
[16:38] <pitti> hm, then the changelog doesn't mention this bug
[16:38] <slangasek> mm, quite
[16:38] <slangasek> which means it's hard to track for SRU verification
[16:39] <Riddell> we should copy over the new version to -updates, it fixes it for some users and can't get any worse
[16:39] <pitti> hm, whoever processed that didn't update the bug very well
[16:39] <pitti> ok, let's sort this out out-of-band
[16:40] <rickspencer3> I suppose we should see an update on this next week? with details about how it's been sorted?
[16:40] <slangasek> [ACTION] slangasek, pitti, Riddell, ScottK to sort out bug #339313 status
[16:40] <MootBot> ACTION received:  slangasek, pitti, Riddell, ScottK to sort out bug #339313 status
[16:40] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 339313 in ubuntu-release-notes "Kubuntu Jaunty: Cannot Connect To Wireless Network with WEP shared key" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/339313
[16:40] <rickspencer3> tx
[16:40] <slangasek> rickspencer3: yes
[16:41] <slangasek> ok, shuffling the order here again; ScottK also has a schedule conflict and asked to be bumped up
[16:41] <slangasek> [TOPIC] MOTU
[16:41] <MootBot> New Topic:  MOTU
[16:42] <slangasek> ScottK: hi
[16:42] <ScottK> Still sorting out Python 2.6 stuff.
[16:42] <ScottK> Nothing earthshattering there, but the pain isn't over.
[16:42]  * slangasek nods
[16:42] <slangasek> (hmm, still need python2.5 dropped from python-defaults)
[16:43] <ScottK> Mostly merges and new package processing on REVU for now.
[16:43] <ScottK> There's also one or two Kubuntu related specs worth mentioning here.
[16:44] <ScottK> Specs are mostly sorted, but the Kubuntu - Ayatana one is getting approved a bit late because it's complex.
[16:44] <ScottK> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu?searchtext=kubuntu+karmic is a decent list.
[16:44] <Riddell> I'll look at that later today
[16:45] <ScottK> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-karmic-netbook-edition will have some release management implications, but as it's meant to be mostly tech preview/proof of concept, I don't see it as a major issue.
[16:45] <ScottK> That's all I have.
[16:45] <rickspencer3> ScottK: Riddell: would it be worth dropping a link to the Kubuntu TODO list?
[16:45] <ScottK> rickspencer3: Probably, if someone had it handy
[16:46] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo
[16:46] <Riddell> now burndown chat  compatible I believe
[16:46] <Riddell> chart
[16:46] <rickspencer3> yes
[16:46] <rickspencer3> thanks to pitti and Riddell
[16:46] <ScottK> The good news is it looks like KDE4 integration for OOo is almost done and starting to land upstream (Go OOo)
[16:47] <ScottK> That took some serious heavy lifting and will benifit every KDE distro.
[16:47] <ScottK> That's all I've got.
[16:47] <slangasek> ScottK: probably old news to you having been around for a few of these, but please make sure (collectively) that any new netbook-edition images are ready to be tested well in advance of beta
[16:47] <ScottK> slangasek: Will do.
[16:47] <slangasek> [LINK] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo
[16:47] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo
[16:48] <slangasek> ScottK: ok, thanks
[16:48] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Mobile team
[16:48] <MootBot> New Topic:  Mobile team
[16:48] <lool> Our specs should be under review or pending approval and are tracked along with high prio bugs at:
[16:48] <slangasek> lool, davidm: hi
[16:48] <lool> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap
[16:48] <lool> (I wish we'd have named all specs mobile-karmic-foo like the desktop ones)
[16:48] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap
[16:48] <lool> Essential specs:
[16:48] <lool> - mobile-unr-karmic-seeds: cleanup seeds structure and seeds for UNR
[16:48] <lool> - mobile-qa-karmic-arm: Create testplans and testcases for Ubuntu on ARM Edit title and summary..
[16:49] <lool> - mobile-unr-karmic-connman: switch UNR to connman
[16:49] <lool> High priority specs:
[16:49] <lool> - mobile-unr-karmic-applications: change in default apps in UNR
[16:49] <lool> - mobile-karmic-general-resolution-for-touchscreen-handling: provide tools to calibrate touchscreens
[16:49] <lool> - mobile-unr-karmic-application-res: improve support on low res for some apps under UNR
[16:49] <lool> Alpha 3 and overall release status:
[16:49] <lool> - all specs should be under review or approval (one is already implemented: moving UNR images to ISOs)
[16:49] <lool> - ARM images:
[16:49] <lool>   - imx51: nothing new for now; Babbage 2 kernel should land for A3 (bjf?  :-) and we got an early U-Boot drop which might supersede RedBoot altogether, so we'll evaluate this option after A3; we lack hardware (only 4 B2 boards available total for now)
[16:49] <lool>   - we plan addition of a new architecture, but are waiting for bits from a partner and his permission to publish; we have early (unstable) hardware
[16:49] <lool> - ARM toolchain: we're getting late on this, we still want to build karmic with ARMv6 + VFP opts, and IS is currently benchmarking builds within qemu; we will get good ARMv7 buildd hardware, but presumably too late for that to be useful in karmic
[16:49] <lool> - UNR: moved from VFAT to ISO format; no large software update, still largely jaunty's stuff; some SRUs still TBD
[16:49] <lool> - 385325: I remilestoned this for beta; we continue researching this important bug, but it's not particularly a3-critical
[16:49] <lool> (done)
[16:49] <slangasek> mobile-unr-karmic-seeds> sounds like a good one to get done early, this time around - what still needs cleaned up?
[16:50] <bjf> look, yes, shooting babbage2 for A3
[16:50] <pgraner> s/look/lool/
[16:50] <slangasek> connman> so we'll have two different UIs to support for network connection management?
[16:50] <bjf> lool, issue could be when .31 drops and when we try to rebase to that
[16:50] <lool> Various things, and it's in progress already; I don't know all specifics, but I think we discussed using a separate live seed, using a common gtk-desktop seed and this kind of things
[16:51] <bjf> lool, still working on getting babbage 1 patches into Karmic, that's a struggle right now
[16:51] <lool> slangasek: StevenK does this spec and has started various changes already
[16:51] <ttx> slangasek: got to go now... ping dendrobates for any server-specific question.
[16:51] <lool> slangasek: Yes, apparently we will have to support connman for UNR
[16:51] <slangasek> ttx: no problem, thank you
[16:51] <lool> This is a request from sabdfl
[16:52] <lool> bjf: So the babbage 2 patches drop support for b1?
[16:52] <slangasek> hmm; last I heard, connman had no plans to support half the use cases covered by NM
[16:53] <bjf> lool, no, I need to get babbage 1 in before I start working on babbage 2
[16:53] <lool> bjf: We don't strongly care about b1 support; if we can have it it's nice, otherwise we can continue running jaunty or just the jaunty redboot+kernel
[16:53] <lool> bjf: ok
[16:53] <bjf> lool, babbage 2 patches are build on-top-of babbage 1 patches, they have to go in first
[16:53] <lool> bjf: Ah there's a dependency, ok
[16:54] <bjf> lool, yes
[16:54] <lool> slangasek: During the connman session, upstream explained that connman doesn't attempt to cover everything and tries to be simpler
[16:54] <bjf> lool, this is a forward port of both the babbage 1 and babbage 2 patches
[16:54] <slangasek> lool: right, which sounds like a functionality regression to me :)
[16:54] <lool> slangasek: It will miss features, yes
[16:55] <pitti> is connman a replacement for the entire nm, or just for n-m-applet?
[16:55] <lool> For all of it
[16:56] <lool> davidm: If you have further comments on UNR connman integration, chime in
[16:56]  * ScottK runs off.  Enjoy the rest of the meetnig.
[16:56] <davidm> Pitti as I understand it it's a replacement for the entire nm stack
[16:57] <davidm> we will test with both
[16:57] <davidm> so choices can be made as appropriate.
[16:58] <slangasek> anyone have anything else for mobile?
[16:58] <lool> I think the hot things are images and toolchain
[16:59] <lool> But both will happen post a3, after updates from kernel, partner, and our IS
[16:59]  * slangasek nods
[16:59] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Kernel team
[16:59] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel team
[16:59] <slangasek> lool, davidm: thanks
[16:59] <pgraner> Hey everyone
[16:59] <pgraner> We have created a Release Status page for Karmic:
[16:59] <pgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic
[16:59] <pgraner> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic
[16:59] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic
[17:00] <pgraner> This is a Red/Yellow/Green Status with links to the blueprints and specs. Its updated every Tues. in our team IRC meeting. You will also find all the bugs on your agenda on the == Release Meeting Bugs == section.
[17:00] <pgraner> On the same page
[17:00] <pgraner> All Specs are approved, and in some form of implementation
[17:01] <slangasek> is the next kernel upload scheduled?  (seeing that half the bugs are 'fix committed')
[17:01] <pgraner> The only one that got deferred was the "Newer Kernels on LTS"
[17:01] <pgraner> slangasek: I don't know off hand rtg is scheduling it
[17:01] <rtg> slangasek: I'm still working with apw on the KMS/PAE issue
[17:01] <slangasek> ok
[17:01] <apw> what rtg said
[17:02] <pgraner> slangasek: what rtg said
[17:02] <apw> and there is also some interactons with the installer which need to be nailed down
[17:02] <apw> for the flavour names
[17:02] <rtg> slI think we should be OK to upload if the installer and the update manager cooperate
[17:02] <cjwatson> generic will just work
[17:02] <rtg> cjwatson: correct
[17:03] <cjwatson> I'll have time to do the pae stuff early next week
[17:03] <rtg> upgrades aren't an issue, its the initial install that might cause problems.
[17:03] <rtg> but I'll work with cjwatson on that
[17:03] <cjwatson> not *that* much of an issue. code to check cpuinfo flags is already there, just needs to be extended.
[17:03] <cjwatson> my main worry is that we *cannot* fit >1 kernel on the CD.
[17:04] <apw> then i guess most people will be staying on generic with the current mapping
[17:04] <cjwatson> my opinion at the moment is that we should have generic on the alternate/desktop CD and pae as a network option; for server, possibly pae on the cd
[17:04] <cjwatson> since that maps reasonably to what we're doing at the moment
[17:04] <apw> we can perhaps just recommend they consider it?
[17:04] <cjwatson> and I'm concerned about performance claims regarding pae
[17:05] <rtg> cjwatson: in the past the server booted an non-pae kernel, but installed a pae kernel. is that still gonna be the case?
[17:05] <cjwatson> (for general use)
[17:05] <lool> So enabling PAE at runtime is definitevely ruled out even in light of the space constraints?
[17:05] <cjwatson> lool: I asked ...
[17:05] <cjwatson> nobody has a working patch for PAE alternatives yet though. Kyle apparently started one a while back
[17:05] <apw> there is no working patches to do that at th emoment
[17:05] <cjwatson> rtg: that could be changed if you reckon it's important
[17:06] <rtg> cjwatson: it seems like you should boot the kernel you're gonna install
[17:06] <cjwatson> the problem with the server CD is not so much that as the fact that it installs a PAE kernel unconditionally and doesn't tell you that it won't work until you reboot
[17:06] <cjwatson> rtg: I can't make that a hard guarantee; I agree it's nice when possible
[17:06] <rtg> cjwatson: ok
[17:07] <rtg> slangasek: no more kernel topics from me.
[17:07] <cjwatson> I've generally tended to think that the installer should use a fairly permissive kernel in terms of CPU requirements, so that it can be flexible about what it installs if you're not up to scratch
[17:07] <cjwatson> not that I've extended this to using the 386 kernel across the board or anything :)
[17:09] <pgraner> slangasek: nothing else from kernel...
[17:09] <slangasek> anyone else have questions for the kernel team?
[17:09] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Foundations team
[17:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Foundations team
[17:09] <slangasek> cjwatson: heya
[17:10] <cjwatson> righto
[17:10] <cjwatson> we have the traditional big chart at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic
[17:10] <cjwatson> traffic light colours are pending resupply from the shop but should arrive soon
[17:11] <slangasek> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic
[17:11] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic
[17:11] <cjwatson> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+specs?searchtext=foundations-karmic- is a not completely unreasonable list, but unfortunately we weren't entirely consistent about spec names so there are some things listed off that; the wiki page is more complete
[17:11] <cjwatson> s/listed/missing/
[17:11] <cjwatson> as you can see, we have a few drafting stragglers, and a slightly greater number of reviewing stragglers
[17:12] <cjwatson> Robbie has gone through doing resource guesstimates and deferrals though, so at this point I believe we're reasonably happy with the combined workload
[17:12] <cjwatson> oh, the wiki page also includes some community-assigned specs
[17:13] <cjwatson> any questions based on those?
[17:13] <cjwatson> of the bugs you listed, one is going to be wrapped up as part of a spec currently targeted for alpha 4, and the other one I'll hoover up before EOD today
[17:15]  * slangasek finishes absorbing the prioritizations
[17:15] <slangasek> looks good to me
[17:15] <cjwatson> slightly more Essentials than I'm truly happy with, but those are mostly from-above kind of things
[17:17] <slangasek> only 4 of which are distro feature things, anyway
[17:17] <cjwatson> yes
[17:17] <cjwatson> depending on how you count usb-creator for Windows
[17:17] <slangasek> :)
[17:18] <slangasek> thanks - no other questions here
[17:18] <cjwatson> .oO Architecture: mingw
[17:18] <slangasek> oh, we'll just make that spec depend on multiarch then
[17:18] <cjwatson> for great justifce
[17:18] <lool> Eh
[17:18] <cjwatson> -f
[17:18] <slangasek> [TOPIC] 8.04.3
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[17:19] <slangasek> wanted to talk just a bit about this today
[17:19] <slangasek> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html has the list of packages that are still waiting SRU verification for hardy; we want this list down to zero before the point release to minimize the ISO mastering hassle
[17:19] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html has the list of packages that are still waiting SRU verification for hardy; we want this list down to zero before the point release to minimize the ISO mastering hassle
[17:20] <slangasek> dendrobates: there are a number of server packages on there that aren't getting love; can your team provide some support there?  (samba, apache2, openldap2.3)
[17:20] <slangasek> (redhat-cluster)
[17:20] <dendrobates> slangasek: yes.
[17:21] <slangasek> there's also an open-iscsi upload I've done that I want to have kirkland or mathiaz review/validate for me; I'll prod them directly
[17:21] <dendrobates> slangasek: ok
[17:22] <kirkland> slangasek: on my todo list for today
[17:22] <slangasek> hal also needs hardware-specific SRU verification for a Sony Walkman USB device, anyone have one of those? :)
[17:22] <slangasek> (or, just general purpose regression testing of hal for hardy)
[17:23] <sbeattie> slangasek: the qa team is going to do a testing hug day on monday focusing on 8.04.3 SRU verifications: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/UbuntuTestingDay/20090622
[17:23] <slangasek> oh, great :)
[17:23] <sbeattie> in part to tease out some of the hardware specific SRUs if we can.
[17:23] <slangasek> in that case, we probably want good test cases in all of the SRU bug reports
[17:24] <pitti> for many of those, regression testing actually is more important
[17:24] <slangasek> ...which we don't always have, today
[17:24] <pitti> it doesn't help if a bug is confirmed to fix hw on a particular system, but break another
[17:24] <slangasek> sure
[17:24] <pitti> right
[17:24] <pitti> I tried to say
[17:24] <pitti> testing new versions on any hw and telling us "yep, still working" helps a lot
[17:25] <heno> we'll also run install tests on all the cert hw as soon as we have test images
[17:26] <slangasek> I should have those up Monday
[17:26] <slangasek> (unless someone else has time to get them up before then)
[17:26] <heno> ok, great
[17:26] <sbeattie> fader: think we can get those going on monday, when they come up?
[17:27] <fader> sbeattie: Yes, we should be able to do that.  If it doesn't get picked up automatically I can always start the tests by hand, so one way or the other we'll get them.
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[17:27] <sbeattie> fader: excellent, thanks.
[17:27] <slangasek> that's all I have on the 8.04.3 front; anything else?
[17:28] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[17:28] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[17:28] <slangasek> I'll take that as a no
[17:28] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[17:28] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:28.
[17:28] <slangasek> thanks, folks
[17:29] <pitti> thanks everyone
[17:29] <heno> thanks!
[17:29] <pitti> slangasek: just to confirm, I won't allow new hardy-proposed stuff without your explicit consent
[17:29] <slangasek> pitti: ok, thank you :)
[17:29] <pitti> slangasek: with hardy being out for more than a year, there can hardly be so urgent issues right now
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