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| [06:46] <dholbach> good morning | |
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| [15:07] <bddebian> Boo | |
| [15:16] <LimCore> hello | |
| [15:17] <LimCore> When using alsa or pulse, my computer farts quietly instead playing sound | |
| [15:17] <LimCore> since I didnt feed any beans to my computer, but I did upgrade (9.04 amd64) yesterday, I guess this could be related | |
| [15:17] <LimCore> is this a known problem? | |
| [15:18] <LimCore> only /dev/dsp works | |
| [15:24] <LimCore> well, anyway - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/418644 | |
| [15:24] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 418644 in pulseaudio "Ubuntu 9.04 amd64 ALSA and Pulse stoped working after upgrade " [Undecided,New] | |
| [15:35] <LimCore> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/418649 this is important, it makes it hard to debug X problems | |
| [15:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 418649 in kdepim "kmail floods .xsession-errors" [Undecided,New] | |
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| [15:47] <hggdh> LimCore, please, at least, state what version of kmail and Ubuntu you are running | |
| [16:30] <LimCore> hggdh: as in the bug report, 9.04 amd64, fully up to date... this is obvious? | |
| [16:36] <hggdh> LimCore, I may be missing something, but I see no '9.04' strings in there | |
| [16:36] <hggdh> so, not obvious to me | |
| [16:37] <LimCore> ah, the other bug | |
| [16:37] <LimCore> updated | |
| [16:38] <hggdh> LimCore, thank you | |
| [16:39] <hggdh> LimCore, what about kmail? :-) | |
| [16:55] <LimCore> hggdh: well, kmail floods my .xsession-errors with some bullshit | |
| [16:55] <LimCore> that looks like debug messages | |
| [16:55] <LimCore> unfrotunatelly then log stops working, and I can not see there why my session died (other bug) | |
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| [17:08] <hggdh> LimCore, what kmail *version*? You should already know the drill: when opening a bug on a package, do give the versions used. | |
| [17:09] <LimCore> just refresh ;) | |
| [17:10] <LimCore> also, it is the version that is in 9.04 up to date | |
| [17:12] <hggdh> LimCore, yes. Still, it has to be stated. Please do not assume everybody will know and expect the same you do. | |
| [17:59] <lfaraone> Hey, Ubuntu-bug itself is crashing when I run it. How do I set it to verbose/debug mode so I can see what's going on? | |
| [18:08] <bdmurray> lfaraone: are you getting any output when it crashes? | |
| [18:09] <lfaraone> bdmurray: well, it calls firefox, which then crashes. | |
| [18:09] <lfaraone> *firefox then crashes. | |
| [18:10] <lfaraone> bdmurray: I have firefox running in the background. I can start new firefox windows with the "firefox http://someurl" command. But when apport/ubuntu-bug gets to the part where it hands off to firefox it dies with an X error | |
| [18:11] <bdmurray> so, the tab never gets opened by ubuntu-bug? | |
| [18:12] <lfaraone> bdmurray: correct. | |
| [18:12] <lfaraone> bdmurray: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/259380/ | |
| [18:13] <lfaraone> bdmurray: odd, the problem just went away. | |
| [18:14] <bdmurray> why are using sudo? | |
| [18:17] <bdmurray> lfaraone: why are you using sudo w/ ubuntu-bug? | |
| [18:18] <lfaraone> bdmurray: well, I had tested it earlier to see if it crashed when run as root or if it was a problem with my local env vars. (my sudo is aliased to clear local variables other than DISPLAY) | |
| [18:18] <lfaraone> bdmurray: it also crashed sans sudo. | |
| [18:46] <mac_v> hmm... i have a weird problem, when i try to play sound in my user profile i can *not* get sound to play in 2 apps simultaneously , but when i create a new user , sound works fine and i can play several apps simultaneously! how do i solve this? | |
| [18:46] <LimCore> hggdh: can we make kmail quickly to not full xsession-errors, because it stops me from reporting more important errors | |
| [18:50] * LimCore is tired of users complaining, why you upgraded to 9.04, 8.10 was working better... | |
| [18:51] <LimCore> flash, sound, speed, firefox, all seems to be just worse in 9.04 somehow. Most of which I reported in bugs btw. Just observation | |
| [18:53] <LimCore> if something was apprently fixed (it works nowdays, didnt work before, but we never traced the exact problem), I set status to fix released or invalid? | |
| [19:02] <hggdh> LimCore, it would be Fix Released, unknown fix. | |
| [19:03] <hggdh> LimCore, on the kmail: I do not usually deal with KDE (and do not run kmail), so all I can do here is guarantee the minimum data is available for someone to confirm | |
| [19:05] <hggdh> for the kmail bug, you may try to present your case to the #kubuntu channel | |
| [19:07] <LimCore> thanks | |
| [19:25] <hggdh> re. bug 418773 -- should I close it Invalid, or WONTFIX? | |
| [19:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 418773 in ubuntu "[needs packaging] virtualbox, proprietary" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/418773 | |
| [19:26] * micahg was thinking that | |
| [19:26] <hggdh> yeah. I personally think WONTFIX is more to the point, but... | |
| [19:26] <micahg> does the sun license prevent redistribution? | |
| [19:28] <hggdh> well, the licence starts with "This license applies if you download the full VirtualBox binaries from the Downloads page." | |
| [19:28] <hggdh> which can be constructed to mean "you can only download it from us. | |
| [19:29] <micahg> yeah | |
| [19:30] <hggdh> yes, it does restrict -- paragraph (3) states "any use beyond the provisions of paragraph (2) is prohibited. So, packaging is prohibited | |
| [19:31] * micahg would think won't fix with that quoted | |
| [19:31] <micahg> anyways, sun provides a deb repo | |
| [19:32] <hggdh> yes. Closed wontfix | |
| [19:33] <hggdh> dammit, closed the wrong bug :-( | |
| [21:15] <BUGabundo> boas | |
| [21:36] <mac_v> pedro_: isnt bug Bug #417824 a medium importance bug? it impacts several core apps [panel,update manager, power manager] | |
| [21:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 417824 in gnome-panel "Gnome-panel loads very late after session start" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/417824 | |
| [21:36] <mac_v> even session shutdown options are not displayed | |
| [21:37] <pedro_> mac_v, how changing the importance would make a difference there? | |
| [21:38] <mac_v> pedro_: not a difference for the bug , but i'm trying to understand :) | |
| [21:38] <mac_v> as to the reasons for your choice | |
| [21:38] <pedro_> mac_v, low is ok, you seems to be the only one facing the issue currently there's no confirmation from anybody else, and also i cannot reproduce the issue here locally | |
| [21:39] <greg-g> stupid question: is there a performance hit if you have -dbgsym packages installed for an app? | |
| [21:39] <greg-g> or performance difference? | |
| [21:39] <mac_v> pedro_: hmm... hehe being to lone affectee , nice ;) | |
| [21:40] <pedro_> mac_v, haha yeah :-P | |
| [21:40] <pedro_> greg-g, i don't think so... are you having problems with any of those packages? | |
| [21:40] <mac_v> hmm... i have a weird problem, when i try to play sound in my user profile i can *not* get sound to play in 2 apps simultaneously , but when i create a new user , sound works fine and i can play several apps simultaneously! how do i correct this? | |
| [21:43] <mac_v> pedro_: if you dont mind me saying , your "thanx for sending upstream" response template is grammatically wrong. i forgot the exact wording , but i noticed it in several bugs | |
| [21:44] <greg-g> pedro_: no, just wondering outloud. :) | |
| [21:44] <pedro_> mac_v, there's no template for it | |
| [21:44] <pedro_> greg-g, ah good ;-) | |
| [21:44] <pedro_> mac_v, do you want to make one? ;-) | |
| [21:45] <mac_v> i think there is one , already , let me check | |
| [21:47] <greg-g> I thought Bryce made one using grease monkey that automatically filled in the bug number, he blogged about it recently, I believe. | |
| [21:47] <mac_v> oh , there is no template , thats a different upstreamed one | |
| [21:50] <mac_v> pedro_: "Thank you for taking the time to report this bug upstream." how does that sound? | |
| [21:55] <pedro_> mac_v, sounds good to me | |
| [21:56] <mac_v> pedro_: should i add it to the responses page then? | |
| [21:56] <pedro_> btw I've seen some reports where the reporter sent it upstream but didn't create an upstream task for it nor link it there | |
| [21:56] <pedro_> would be nice to create an stock response for that case | |
| [21:56] <pedro_> mac_v, sure, feel free to do it | |
| [21:58] <mac_v> pedro_: how do we add for that? something that says, thank you but you should add it in the also affects link? | |
| [21:58] <pedro_> we can point them to the nice documentation we currently have for that | |
| [21:59] <pedro_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Watches | |
| [21:59] <AnAnt_> Hello, can someone look at LP 390292 | |
| [21:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 390292 in console-setup "undefined kernel key code ( in karmic a2)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/390292 | |
| [22:07] <mac_v> pedro_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/259500/ is this OK? | |
| [22:08] <mac_v> bdmurray: hi... ^ for a response to members who have submitted but not linked upstream bug in lp | |
| [22:10] <mac_v> hm... i was thinking of using "learn" instead of "read" , would that sound harsh? | |
| [22:11] <greg-g> mac_v: this is what I was thinking of: http://www2.bryceharrington.org:8080/drupal/upstream-cgi | |
| [22:11] <greg-g> and this http://www2.bryceharrington.org:8080/drupal/stock-replies-tips | |
| [22:13] <bdmurray> mac_v: http://paste.ubuntu.com/259503/ | |
| [22:15] <mac_v> bdmurray: sounds good :) , should i add it or ? | |
| [22:15] <mac_v> greg-g: we are actually talking about the same thing ;) | |
| [22:16] <bdmurray> mac_v: that'd be great | |
| [22:16] <greg-g> mac_v: ahh :) serves me right for not reading the back log completely :) | |
| [22:39] <mac_v> bdmurray: http://filebin.ca/zmjt/bugsquad-replies.xml , i have added it to the end | |
| [22:43] <bcurtiswx> did that one guys wiki changes go into effect yet | |
| [23:00] <mac_v> bcurtiswx: i think you got this mixed up> Bug #410278 | |
| [23:00] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 410278 in notify-osd "[Feature request]Allow empathy conversation window to be minimized to notification area" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410278 | |
| [23:00] <mac_v> bcurtiswx: notify-osd has nothing to do with the feature request | |
| [23:00] <bcurtiswx> mac_v, i believe notify-osd is what takes care of that, not the applications themselves | |
| [23:01] <mac_v> bcurtiswx: nope , notify-osd is just a notification daemon , just displays the bubbles | |
| [23:01] <bcurtiswx> thats indicator applet then.. right? | |
| [23:02] <mac_v> bcurtiswx: that is different too , but works for me ;) | |
| [23:02] <bcurtiswx> so it would belong with that | |
| [23:03] <bcurtiswx> hmm, i guess i have always thought the goal of indicator applet was to allow apps to be minimized (like empathy,evolution,gwibber) the ones that provide more frequent updates... | |
| [23:03] <bcurtiswx> but i might be mistaken that the application has to support it on its own before it would work with the indicator applet | |
| [23:04] <mac_v> yup | |
| [23:04] <bcurtiswx> lemme see what the ayatana peeps have to say | |
| [23:04] <mac_v> bcurtiswx: empathy does not have support for i-a yet :) | |
| [23:05] <bcurtiswx> that i know, and i am gonna go fix the bug depending on my chat with the ayatana peeps | |
| [23:05] <mac_v> bcurtiswx: sure , great \o/ | |
| [23:07] <bcurtiswx> unless you already know the answer to my question and im just being dumb here :P | |
| [23:08] <mac_v> bcurtiswx: minimizing is one of the features of messaging menu , but just has not been done by the devs :) , BTW the emapthy Bug #340180 | |
| [23:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 340180 in empathy "Please provide indicator-applet support in empathy" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/340180 | |
| [23:09] <mac_v> bcurtiswx: lol look who's here ;) > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MessagingMenu#Unresolved%20issues | |
| [23:09] <mac_v> i think mpt added your name from a question you asked somewhere :) | |
| [23:10] <bcurtiswx> mac_v: yeah... and look whats still not done... i asked that a long time ago | |
| [23:10] <mac_v> bcurtiswx: its not done because no dev has cared to do it , but mp wants to implement it | |
| [23:10] <bcurtiswx> but it looks like they want to push empathy into the indicator applet... hmm.. makes this a much more complicated bug | |
| [23:11] <mac_v> bcurtiswx: pls fix it :) | |
| [23:11] <bcurtiswx> i _could_ keep it open for both empathy and indicator applet.. in hopes one gets to it first | |
| [23:12] <mac_v> bcurtiswx: last i heard from mpt , that was what he said , thats why it has been added to the unresolved issues. | |
| [23:17] <bcurtiswx> mac_v, look satisfactory to your liking now? | |
| [23:18] <hggdh> dtchen, ping -- do you have a possible schedule? | |
| [23:18] <mac_v> bcurtiswx: just a small fish , anything goes , :) | |
| [23:19] <bcurtiswx> mac_v, i just want to make sure i put myself into your mindset well enough to get this to where you want it | |
| [23:19] <mac_v> bcurtiswx: BTW , its mirco who gets frustrated when bugs are wrongly assigned to notify-osd | |
| [23:20] <bcurtiswx> i will make sure to duck if he throws anything sharp at my head :D | |
| [23:23] <mac_v> hehe , ;) | |
| [23:24] <dtchen> hggdh: friday evening EST is likely best to work for me | |
| [23:24] <dtchen> hggdh: sorry, EDT. let's shoot for 1800 EDT, which is 2200 UTC. | |
| [23:25] <Ueland_2> bloddy timezones :P | |
| [23:25] <hggdh> dtchen, thank you. I will be MIA -- traveling back home, but I will try to set it up on -classroom | |
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| [23:30] <mac_v> dtchen: hi... which irc room can i contact Eric Hedekar (stochastic) , | |
| [23:30] <stochastic> mac_v, I'm here | |
| [23:31] <hggdh> so, to answer, #ubuntu-bugs ;-) | |
| [23:31] <mac_v> stochastic: hi... i'm really sorry , i just deleted the folders , just 2 mins ago :( | |
| [23:32] <stochastic> mac_v, shouldda made backups ;) maybe someone else with the bug will post theirs | |
| [23:32] <mac_v> stochastic: i had the folders for nearly a day! but yeah. | |
| [23:34] <mac_v> hggdh: ;p | |
| [23:37] <mac_v> stochastic: BTW why does the daemon.conf use ";" instead of "#" for commenting? or am i understanding the purpose wrong? | |
| [23:41] <stochastic> mac_v either one works for commenting | |
| [23:41] <mac_v> hm... | |
| [23:49] <hggdh> dtchen, just confirming, we are set for Firday Aug 28, at 1800 EDT, 2200 Z | |
| [23:50] <bcurtiswx> a date???? :P | |
| [23:51] <hggdh> yes! | |
| [23:52] <bcurtiswx> not to sound rude.. hggdh you are M or F ? | |
| [23:53] <hggdh> bcurtiswx, yes :-D | |
| [23:53] <bcurtiswx> hahaha | |
| [23:53] <bcurtiswx> you got me | |
| [23:53] <bcurtiswx> which one? | |
| [23:53] <hggdh> the one I was born with... | |
| [23:54] <hggdh> ah, ok | |
| [23:54] <hggdh> M | |
| [23:54] <bcurtiswx> ok | |
| [23:54] <micahg1> so 5PM Friday? | |
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| [23:54] <micahg> that looks silly | |
| [23:54] <micahg> hggdh: will it be logged? | |
| [23:54] <hggdh> micahg, yes, 1700, or 17:00, or 5PM | |
| [23:55] <bcurtiswx> what r u talking about? | |
| [23:55] <hggdh> I will try to get it logged -- after all, I will be traveling at this time, and would very much get it later | |
| [23:55] <hggdh> bcurtiswx, a training on triaging sound bugs | |
| [23:55] <bcurtiswx> ah, where at? | |
| [23:55] <hggdh> micahg, of course, CDT time | |
| [23:56] <bcurtiswx> the T = time | |
| [23:56] <hggdh> bcurtiswx, this is what I am trying to get. Worst scenario, #ubuntu-bugs, but I would prefer #ubuntu-classroom | |
| [23:58] <bcurtiswx> ah ok | |