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| [16:21] <alkisg> Hi, in previous Ubuntu versions, there was a patch for fusa that was hiding the reboot and shutdown menu items in LTSP clients. I think that patch was dropped in Karmic, along with the switch to indicator-applet. | |
| [16:21] <alkisg> Would it be possible for me to suggest a smaller patch for indicator-applet, i.e. to set a xatom with the action that the user selected (reboot, shutdown etc) so that the LTSP display manager would read it and act appropriately? | |
| [16:26] <mac_v_> tedg: ^ ;) | |
| [16:27] <tedg> alkisg: No, but for a good reason :) | |
| [16:27] <tedg> alkisg: We're now checking with the ConsoleKit settings to see if the user can do that. | |
| [16:27] <tedg> alkisg: So you should be patching/fixing consolekit so that it happens all over the desktop. | |
| [16:28] <tedg> alkisg: Including the session menu. | |
| [16:28] <alkisg> tedg: the user dbus session is on the server, so that won't work for the ltsp client | |
| [16:28] <alkisg> Ah, consolekit, not gnome-session... hmm... | |
| [16:28] <tedg> alkisg: ConsoleKit is on the system dbus. | |
| [16:28] <tedg> alkisg: And if it's on teh server, it should definitely not be giving users permission to shut it down! :) | |
| [16:29] <tedg> Hiding the menu item is one thing, but there shouldn't be a way for them to be able to craft a dbus command to do it either. | |
| [16:29] <alkisg> LTSP currently doesn't install policykit1 on the chroot... so if we installed it, and called the appropriate method, would that work? | |
| [16:29] <alkisg> (I tried to call the CK method for restart, but it complained about PK) | |
| [16:30] <tedg> alkisg: I'm not sure about PK here. We're just calling the CK method "CanRestart" and "CanStop". | |
| [16:30] <tedg> alkisg: I'm not sure how you configure/modify those in ConsoleKit. | |
| [16:31] <alkisg> tedg: Anyway I got it, thanks a lot, I'll try to see how that would work with LTSP | |
| [16:31] <tedg> np | |
| [16:31] <tedg> mac_v_: Thanks for the ping! | |
| [16:31] <alkisg> (i.e. I'll try to somehow make CK.restart work... thanks again) | |
| [16:32] <mac_v_> hehe , actually i wanted to ping you for something else and caught the chat ;) | |
| [16:32] <mac_v_> tedg: any news about inkscape ppa ? | |
| [16:33] <tedg> mac_v_: I haven't had time to work on it :( | |
| [16:33] <mac_v_> hmm , :( ... | |
| [16:33] <tedg> mac_v_: I need to migrate the branches from SVN to BZR | |
| [16:33] <tedg> mac_v_: Well, they were already in BZR, but now that we've moved the version numbers don't line up. | |
| [16:34] <tedg> mac_v_: I'm planning to work on it tonight, if it goes smoothly it'll be done -- but this stuff rarely goes smoothly :) | |
| [16:34] <mac_v_> tedg: the "save" is killing me... thats the only problem ... np... take you time :) | |
| [16:34] <mac_v_> yay | |
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| [17:10] <alkisg> tedg: could you please direct me to the package/source file that calls CK for canrestart/restart etc? | |
| [17:11] * tedg looks | |
| [17:13] <tedg> alkisg: Hmm, I can't find it... I may have lied. I swear I wrote that code... | |
| [17:13] <alkisg> tedg: heh, np, I'll look myself, thanks. Is that indicator-session? | |
| [17:14] <tedg> alkisg: Yes. bzr branch lp:indicator-session | |
| [17:14] <alkisg> Thanks a lot! :) | |
| [17:16] <alkisg> src/gtk-dialog/logout-dialog.c | |
| [17:52] <alkisg> tedg: if I understand the sources correctly, ck-pk-helper.c asks CK/PK if the user can shutdown the system, but the actual action is in gtk-logout-helper.c, e.g. res = dbus_g_proxy_call_with_timeout (sm_proxy, "RequestShutdown", INT_MAX, &error,... | |
| [17:52] <alkisg> The action happens on the session dbus, which is on the server. | |
| [17:52] <alkisg> I think that LTSP needs some help on the action part, i.e. if LTSP_CLIENT is set in the environment, set an xprop for LDM to know if it's supposed to reboot/shutdown etc. Would you consider accepting such a (small) patch? | |
| [19:06] <alkisg> As it turns out, there's already code in LTSP that reads a file named /tmp/ldm-logout-action, and if it contains "shutdown" or "reboot", it acts appropriately. So a small patch in indicator-session that would write those values to that file if the LTSP_CLIENT env var is present, would be most welcomed by LTSP users (instead of the xprop I mentioned before). | |
| [19:10] <alkisg> (and btw, we teachers also miss the real user name instead of the login name :)) | |
| [19:14] <beuno> alkisg, I think that letting people configure their display name would be a good thing to do | |
| [19:15] <beuno> alkisg, would you like to bring that up on the ayatana mailing list? | |
| [19:15] <alkisg> beuno: sure, thanks. | |
| [19:15] <alkisg> I've filed a launchpad bug for this already | |
| [19:15] <alkisg> (some days ago) | |
| [19:16] <beuno> alkisg, great, will help us track it. I think the mailing list is a better forum for discussions, and decisions :) | |
| [19:16] <alkisg> Sure, will do ;) | |
| [19:16] <beuno> and we still have time to change it in Lucid! | |
| [19:17] <alkisg> Lucid (and all LTS releases) are very important for schools, as they don't usually upgrade every 6 months... :) | |
| [19:22] <beuno> yeah, there is a lot riding on Ubuntu this cycle | |
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| [20:02] <mac_v> beuno: is it really essential to show the user name in a single user setup ? :( | |
| [20:02] <beuno> mac_v, I don't think it's the name that is essential, but the actions under it | |
| [20:02] <beuno> what else would you display? | |
| [20:03] <mac_v> though it makes sense in alkisg's scenario , its kinda wasting space on the panel ... i already know my name;) | |
| [20:03] <alkisg> mac_v: an option for it would suffice, it doesn't need to be default... but even on my standalone PC I don't like seeing "alkisg", I prefer seeing my Greek name. | |
| [20:03] <mac_v> beuno: IMO , just the icon would suffice , not sure why the name is needed | |
| [20:04] <beuno> mac_v, so, you now have something to reply on the list ;) | |
| [20:04] <beuno> I don't think I feel strongly about it, but it seems to feel right | |
| [20:04] <beuno> and I know there are some plans for the future in that area, that integrate/group more features under there | |
| [20:05] <alkisg> Also, is the top panel space important? It's usually empty :) | |
| [20:06] <mac_v> alkisg: i use only 1 panel :) | |
| [20:07] <mac_v> alkisg: if you ask the dekstop team , they are planning on removing the bottom panel and a lot of widgets to reduce the boot time | |
| [20:07] <mac_v> desktop* | |
| [20:07] <beuno> I think 1 panel is the future | |
| [20:07] <alkisg> mac_v: well, then you are not using the default setup anyway.... Ah. Ouch. :) | |
| [20:07] <beuno> I'd have to check of it's Lucid future, or Lucid+1 | |
| [20:07] <mac_v> alkisg: they are going to make it the default or atleast try to convince UX , , since their alloted time is 4secs ;) | |
| [20:07] <beuno> but it's near future | |
| [20:07] <beuno> djsiegel1, do you know? | |
| [20:08] <tgpraveen1> mac_v: 1 panel would be a pretty radical change.i doubt UX will approve. | |
| [20:09] <mac_v> sure they wont ;p , but lot of the applets are gonna be removed | |
| [20:10] <djsiegel1> I do not think we are changing anything about the panels | |
| [20:11] <mac_v> kenvandine knows more whats going/planned to be removed ;) | |
| [20:14] <kenvandine> beuno, it isn't set in stone or anything, but i think the goal was to try it | |
| [20:15] <kenvandine> and see how it impacted startup time and see what UX thought | |
| [20:15] <kenvandine> beuno, you should really talk to rickspencer3 | |
| [20:15] <beuno> thanks | |
| [21:17] <alkisg> tedg: adding those 4 lines to gtk-logout-helper.c make LTSP work fine with reboot/shutdown: http://paste.ubuntu.com/333393/ | |
| [21:17] <alkisg> Unfortunately, LTSP won't have client<=>server dbus integration for some time to come, so I think that that hack is the best that LTSP users can have right now... | |
| [21:17] <alkisg> Tested, works fine, an additional check "if LTSP_CLIENT env var is defined" would be better though. | |
| [21:18] <tedg> alkisg: Where is the gnome-session running? | |
| [21:19] <alkisg> On the server | |
| [21:19] <tedg> alkisg: Where is indicator-session-service running? | |
| [21:19] <alkisg> On the server | |
| [21:19] <tedg> alkisg: Then why is client <=> server dbus integration an issue? | |
| [21:20] <alkisg> Because we want shutdown to shutdown the client, not the server | |
| [21:20] <tedg> alkisg: So it seems to me the session manager should be doing that, eh? | |
| [21:21] <tedg> I'm not trying to blow you off here, it just seems like changing the menu items is just dealing with the surface of the problem. | |
| [21:21] <alkisg> tedg: The LTSP devs are planning to see if they can make the session dbus talk with the system dbus *on the client* instead of the one on the server | |
| [21:21] <alkisg> But that won't happen for a long time (if it's ever going to happen) | |
| [21:22] <alkisg> tedg: so, ltsp users now have reboot/shutdown menu items that just logoff | |
| [21:22] <tedg> Yes. But right now we have "indicator-session-service -> session-manager -> console-kit" it seems like it should go to "indicator-session-service -> session-manager -> ltsp-tool" | |
| [21:22] <alkisg> With those 4 lines you can make them actually reboot/shutdown... | |
| [21:23] <alkisg> tedg: I understand that it's a hack. But LTSP can't do better right now. | |
| [21:23] <tedg> ? Why can't gnome-session be fixed? | |
| [21:24] <alkisg> gnome-session runs on the server, it has no control over the client | |
| [21:25] <tedg> So does indicator-session-service, right? | |
| [21:26] <alkisg> Right. So it would just send a "signal" to the ltsp display manager, so that when the session is over, LDM shuts off the PC | |
| [21:26] <tedg> So it seems like gnome-session could send that same signal to LDM. | |
| [21:26] <alkisg> I don't think patching gnome would be any easier... | |
| [21:27] <tedg> Yes, but when other people use that gnome-session shutdown/restart interface it would work. | |
| [21:27] <tedg> Like when you press the soft power button on the outside of the case. | |
| [21:28] <alkisg> You're right on that. But I don't think I'll ever be able to get such a patch accepted. | |
| [21:28] <alkisg> So Lucid, like Karmic, will go out with LTSP users unable to reboot/shutdown... :( | |
| [21:29] <tedg> alkisg: Well, you only have to get the patch into the package. | |
| [21:29] <alkisg> Well, I'll try. Thanks a lot for your time, and your advice! :) | |
| [21:30] <tedg> alkisg: Yeah, okay, I checked and that whole interface is a distro patch anyway. | |
| [21:30] <tedg> alkisg: So you just need to edit 95_dbus_request_shutdown.patch | |
| [21:30] <tedg> alkisg: I believe that the guy who can help you the most there is chrisccoulson | |
| [21:30] <alkisg> tedg: nice, you gave me hope!!! I'll try that tomorrow, too late here to go on :) | |
| [21:31] <tedg> alkisg: He wrote that patch. | |
| [21:31] <tedg> alkisg: Good night! | |
| [21:31] <alkisg> Good night, and thanks again :) | |
| [21:31] <chrisccoulson> hello :) | |
| [21:31] <alkisg> Ah, hi chrisccoulson! | |
| [21:31] <alkisg> Do I have any chances? :) | |
| [21:31] <chrisccoulson> hi alkisg | |
| [21:32] <chrisccoulson> i haven't read the scrollback yet - it might be quicker to ask your question again ;) | |
| [21:32] <alkisg> (a small patch for LTSP users to be able to reboot/shutdown the clients) | |
| [21:32] <alkisg> g_spawn_command_line_async("ltsp-localapps \"/bin/sh -c 'echo shutdown > /tmp/ldm-logout-action'\"", &error); | |
| [21:32] <tedg> Instead of calling ConsoleKit in gnome-session. | |
| [21:32] <alkisg> That command should be executed if LTSP_CLIENT is defined in the local environment, so that the LTSP display manager would then actually poweroff the pc | |
| [21:32] <tedg> (CK would shutdown the server instead of the client) | |
| [21:33] <chrisccoulson> this is a patch to gnome-session right? | |
| [21:33] <alkisg> Right | |
| [21:33] <tedg> It's a patch to your patch :) | |
| [21:34] <alkisg> I haven't looked at the sources yet, I was trying to put it to indicator-session, but tedg corrected me by telling it's best to go to gnome-session... | |
| [21:34] <chrisccoulson> oh, ok :) | |
| [21:34] <alkisg> (and it indeed is) | |
| [21:34] <chrisccoulson> yes, it's probably best somewhere like that, but i don't really know enough about how LTSP works to have much of an opinion | |
| [21:35] <alkisg> chrisccoulson: I think I could have stgraber and ogra to verify that it works | |
| [21:35] <alkisg> (ubuntu devs) | |
| [21:35] <chrisccoulson> yeah, no problem:) | |
| [21:36] <alkisg> Thanks! I'll try it tomorrow, and come back with a full "case" :) | |
| [21:37] <alkisg> Thanks a lot to both of you, good night. | |
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