2018/11/09/#lubuntu.txt

[00:00] <lcb> and no i disn't install lubuntu core, those are different animals
[00:00] <wxl> oh boy
[00:00] <wxl> ok so i assume you have lightdm?
[00:01] <tsimonq2> (There is no such thing as Lubuntu Core, only the metapackage.)
[00:01] <lcb> wxl, could you please tell me if you know how to do what I need or just want me to keep writing..,
[00:02] <lcb>  [Lubuntu minimal installation (GTK part) 18.04.1 LTS -  4.15.0-38-generic kern  i686]
[00:02] <lcb> (GTK part)!
[00:03] <tsimonq2> lcb: You aren't listening.
[00:03] <tsimonq2> lcb: We understand what you're saying.
[00:03] <tsimonq2> lcb: Could you confirm you have the lightdm package?
[00:04] <tsimonq2> wxl> ok so i assume you have lightdm? <-- that's what he is asking here.
[00:04] <wxl> lcb: i don't fully understand the circumstances leading to your problem but know that no one else has reported such a problem
[00:04] <lcb> GTK installs lightdm, yes
[00:04] <tsimonq2> lcb: First item on a DuckDuckGo search: https://askubuntu.com/questions/51086/how-do-i-enable-auto-login-in-lightdm#51087
[00:05] <tsimonq2> lcb: Does this help?
[00:10] <lcb> sorry, had to leave for a couple mins. No, it doesn't help. That's the same approach as this [ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Boot_Install_Login#For_release_12.04_and_on_.28LightDM.29 ] and still the diallog shows up, having to click on it to login.
[00:11] <wxl> so sounds like you have a weird setup. we'd have to figure out how and why, thus the questions. so yes, keep on writing.
[00:11] <lcb> well, the setup is almost as it was a couple hrs ago after installation
[00:13] <lcb> I believe the QT remains in there are the cause of the issue
[00:13] <lcb> I see a lot of config files nothing to do with this release
[00:17] <lcb> btw when i said GTK that's because there are that one and QT, just that
[00:17] <wxl> oh boy you have qt+gtk lubuntu. that's not going to be happy fun times.
[00:17] <lcb> I have a couple more, not on the same pc :P
[00:17] <wxl> typically the autologin is defined somewhere in/etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d
[00:17] <wxl> so i'd dig around in there
[00:18] <lcb> You don't believe the attempts I already did in trying to solve this.  -- and there are a lot of configuration files related to users login.
[00:20] <wxl> yeah well unfortunately when you start mixing bits and pieces together (lubuntu qt and lubuntu gtk are going to be two separate systems.. installing one does not clean up the mess of the other) you run into trouble
[00:20] <wxl> and that's totally uncharted territory. and you know what they say about that... you're on your own!
[00:21] <wxl> that said, we can try to help but the solution is not likely to come easily..
[00:21] <lcb> wxl, this is for a pc I'm fixing for a friend, low specs computer.
[00:21] <wxl> great. then i'd wipe it and put one system on it
[00:22] <tsimonq2> lcb: Why did you use the mini ISO anyway when we have an Alternate ISO?
[00:22] <wxl> tsimonq2: probably because they're installing lubuntu-core to avoid the apps from -desktop
[00:22] <tsimonq2> Ahh.
[00:23] <lcb> if fact, lower that this I don't know, reminds me the when I used the timex sinclair 100
[00:23] <lcb> it's a eeepc
[00:23] <lcb> sinclair 100, i mean
[00:23] <lcb> grrr 1000
[00:24] <lcb> tsimonq2, yes
[00:24] <wxl> how much hard drive does it have?
[00:25] <lcb> and the person is not the kind of going for a puppy linux. matter of fact the pen I have here with one is not performing so well as this lubuntu.
[00:25] <lcb> still... I need to tweak it
[00:25] <wxl> hard drive space?
[00:25] <lcb> no, at all. I put a 100 GB hd
[00:26] <lcb> 2 GB ram
[00:26] <wxl> then why are you bothering?
[00:26] <wxl> just install lubuntu and be done with it
[00:26] <lcb> kind of heavy wxl
[00:26] <wxl> all -desktop brings to the table, really, is applications. and they don't do anything but take up hard drive space
[00:26] <lcb> I mean the full spectrum, /full install
[00:26] <wxl> there's no difference in ram/cpu use between lubuntu-core and lubuntu-desktop at idle
[00:26] <wxl> nor is there any difference with the full install (which is both)
[00:27] <lcb> wxl, sorry but there are a lot of tweaking on services if you install additional packages.
[00:27] <wxl> if and only if services are involved
[00:27] <wxl> the applications do not include many services
[00:27] <lcb> besides other configurations to avoid eating CPU & Ram
[00:28] <wxl> i mean if you want to go to the nth degree, you should be recompliing the kernel
[00:29] <lcb> services are not the problem. Being this the mini it came with things that there are not really on the spirit of low specs computer installation, as Lubuntu still is.
[00:29] <wxl> the mini?
[00:29] <lcb> mini.iso
[00:29] <wxl> it doesn't install anything you don't tell it to
[00:29] <lcb> nana
[00:30] <lcb> installs everything
[00:30] <wxl> then you did it wrong, bub
[00:31] <wxl> i'm sure had you just installed lubuntu you wouldn't be having these problems.
[00:31] <lcb> No I didn't.  There are a lot of default services and additional apps not really needed on a common usage (on the philosophy of distro for low specs pc)
[00:32] <wxl> apps are a waste of time if they expose no services. they don't affect your ram/cpu usage.. unless you use them
[00:32] <wxl> what services are problematic?
[00:33] <lcb> Ubuntu18.04BionicBeaver_32-bit-PC_i386-x86-mini.iso
[00:33] <lcb> that's the one...
[00:33] <wxl> that's not a service
[00:33] <lcb> really?
[00:34] <lcb> I thought that was a service :O
[00:34] <lcb> :P
[00:34] <wxl> i see where the problem lies then
[00:34] <lcb> where?
[00:34] <wxl> between the keyboard and the chair :)
[00:35] <lcb> that too lol
[00:35] <lcb> wait, let me give you a couple services I need to kill
[00:35] <lcb> since you are so cooperative :P
[00:35] <lcb> sudo systemctl disable ureadahead.service
[00:36] <lcb> sudo systemctl disable bluetooth.service
[00:36] <lcb> sudo systemctl disable whoopsie.service
[00:36] <lcb> sudo systemctl disable ModemManager.service
[00:36] <wxl> bluetooth does nothing if you don't have bluetooth. otherwise, you'd want it.
[00:36] <lcb> sudo systemctl disable  avahi-daemon.service
[00:36] <lcb> hey... I didn't finish
[00:36] <wxl> whoopsie is valuable. i wouldn't turn that off, but feel free
[00:37] <lcb> eeePC
[00:37] <wxl> i've had full lubuntu on such a machine with no problems
[00:37] <lcb> those are commands I have ready to issue later on. but there are much more
[00:38] <wxl> in any case, i have no idea what you have. it's not lubuntu, the way it sounds. it's something that might use some of the lubuntu packages and sounds like it most definiately has non-lubuntu packages. so... good luck :)
[00:38] <lcb> sudo systemctl disable  cups.service # not needed for the person
[00:38] <lcb> sudo systemctl disable  ufw.service ## he has a dog
[00:38] <lcb> and a couple more
[00:39] <lcb> those are all services that eat a lot of resources
[00:42] <lcb> I missed this, sorry -> "<wxl> bluetooth does nothing if you don't have bluetooth. otherwise, you'd want it."  How about being installed and running and there is no bluetooth
[00:44] <lcb> wxl, its Lubuntu. plain one.
[00:44] <lcb> it is..
[00:46] <lcb> inxi -S
[00:46] <lcb> System:    Host: LubuMini Kernel: 4.15.0-38-generic i686 bits: 32 Desktop: LXDE (Openbox 3.6.1)
[00:46] <lcb>            Distro: Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS
[00:46] <lcb> CPU: Single Core Intel Celeron M (-MCP-) speed: 898 MHz
[00:46] <lcb> Kernel: 4.15.0-38-generic i686 Up: 1h 13m Mem: 464.0/2003.4 MiB (23.2%)
[00:46] <lcb> Storage: 74.53 GiB (18.5% used) Procs: 125 Shell: bash 4.4.19 inxi: 3.0.27
[00:47] <lcb> 74.53, not 100 as I said b4
[02:17] <lcb> This is for the real and genuine helpers(  :P ) in case someone using genuine Lubuntu 18-04 (GTK)  LXDE installation and having problems with auto login (as a lot on the net...)
[02:17] <lcb> printf '%s\n' '[SeatDefaults]' 'autologin-user=WRITE_USERNAME_HERE' > /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/12-autologin.conf
[02:18] <lcb> as root, i.e., after sudo su . Problems solved
[02:19] <lcb> hat command puts the file in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/12-autologin.conf with  2 lines: [SeatDefaults] and autologin-user=
[02:19] <lcb> hat/that
[13:07] <lubot> <JyotiGomes> Hi! There is a trash bug? I cant empty the trash
[13:09] <lubot> <tsimonq2> @JyotiGomes [Hi! There is a trash bug? I cant empty the trash], In 18.04 or 18.10?
[13:09] <lubot> <JyotiGomes> 18.10
[13:10] <lubot> <tsimonq2> Hmm
[13:10] <lubot> <tsimonq2> wxl: ^
[13:10] <leszek> try to force remove the files from ~/.local/share/Trash/files/
[13:12] <lubot> <JyotiGomes> (Video, 23s)https://telegram.lubuntu.me/qnYIq2Mh/file_4649.mp4
[13:35] <leszek> force remove it like I said. Shift + Delete
[17:02] <lubot> <JyotiGomes> @leszek [<leszek> force remove it like I said. Shift + Delete], Hi! When i force, it deletes. But only when i force it with Shift+Delete. Another thing. How may i change the settings in order to show the trash bin at desktop? Sorry if this is not a adequate question (is not very tecnichal)
[17:03] <lubot> <JyotiGomes> It's not very technical.
[17:03] <Irritiable|LT> Start menu > Preferences > Customize Look And Feel
[17:03] <Irritiable|LT> lubot
[17:16] <lubot> <JyotiGomes> @Irritiable|LT> Start menu > Preferences  [<Irritiable|LT> Start menu > Preferences > Customize Look And Feel], I am using 18.10
[17:24] <Irritiable|LT> I am too, AFAIK.
[17:24] <Irritiable|LT> lubot: Desktop Preferences
[17:25] <Irritiable|LT> lubot: /usr/share/applications/pcmanfm-desktop-pref.desktop
[17:25] <Irritiable|LT> Lubuntu / LXDE (or maybe it was XFCE)
[17:26] <lubot> <JyotiGomes> @Irritiable|LT [<Irritiable|LT> Lubuntu / LXDE (or maybe it was XFCE)], Thanks
[17:27] <Irritiable|LT> lubot: Welcome.
[17:41] <wxl> @JyotiGomes i can empty the trash just fine. how are you doing it?
[17:43] <lubot> <JyotiGomes> @wxl [<wxl> @JyotiGomes i can empty the trash just fine. how are you doing it?], Sorry, now is already working. Thanks
[17:43] <wxl> out of curiousity, what wasn't working about your process?
[17:44] <Irritiable|LT> wxl: He wants [DEL] to simply force-delete (no trash-bin storage) everything.
[17:44] <wxl> ohhhhhhh
[17:44] <lubot> <JyotiGomes> Btw, do you know how it is possible to insert the user picture at the login screen?
[17:44] <Irritiable|LT> wxl: He also wanted to DISPLAY the icon on the desktop.
[17:44] <wxl> in other words, selective removal of items from the trash
[17:44] <wxl> not a bad idea
[17:45] <wxl> did the question of displaying on the desktop get answered?
[17:46] <lubot> <JyotiGomes> @wxl [<wxl> did the question of displaying on the desktop get answered?], Not yet, but i will try later. Is not a very urgent question :-)
[17:46] <wxl> well the answer to the question is: you can't. yet.
[17:46] <lubot> <JyotiGomes> Thank you, guys, for the nice work
[17:47] <Irritiable|LT> lubot: Menu > Preferences > Desktop Preferences > [Desktop Icons]
[17:47] <Irritiable|LT> [x] Show Trash Can Icon on desktop
[17:47] <lubot> <JyotiGomes> Yes, i cant yet put the trash bin at desktop
[17:47] <wxl> 18.10, dude
[17:47] <Irritiable|LT> Okay?
[17:47] <wxl> 18.10 is lxqt not lxde which is to say it's completely different software
[17:47] <Irritiable|LT> Qt version? Ew.
[17:48] <wxl> the fact that this was missing kind of came as a surprise to us (we just took it for granted)
[17:48] <wxl> we do have a task to fix it https://phab.lubuntu.me/T125
[17:48] <wxl> ew? i mean hey you can enjoy gtk2 as much as you want XD
[17:48] <Irritiable|LT> Description:	Ubuntu 17.10
[17:48] <Irritiable|LT> Release:	17.10
[17:48] <Irritiable|LT> Codename:	artful
[17:49] <lubot> <JyotiGomes> @wxl [<wxl> 18.10 is lxqt not lxde which is to say it's completely different software], Yes, at 18.04 lxde i know how to do. But now i am using the 18.10 lxqt
[17:49] <wxl> !artful
[17:49] <ubottu> Ubuntu 17.10 (Artful Aardvark) was the 27th release of Ubuntu. Support ended on July 19th, 2018. See !eol and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2018-July/004483.html
[17:49] <Irritiable|LT> I'd take anything over Qt. Principle alone.
[17:49] <wxl> also enjoy an unsupported release XD
[17:49] <Irritiable|LT> Works fine for me.
[17:50] <Irritiable|LT> I'm not sure I follow your logic on saying something is "supported" or not. I can run MS-DOS 5.0 on this laptop all the same.
[17:50] <Irritiable|LT> August 12, 1981; 37 years ago
[17:50] <Irritiable|LT> 8.0 / September 16, 2000; 18 years ago
[17:50] <wxl> ok have fun with that
[17:50] <Irritiable|LT> Support ended 18yrs ago and it works fine.
[17:51] <Irritiable|LT> You have fun with Qt and closed source garbage from 15+ years ago.
[17:51] <wxl> it was closed source 15+ years ago
[17:51] <wxl> now it's not
[17:51] <wxl> hasn't been for a while
[17:52] <Irritiable|LT> "With Qt, you can reach all your target platforms with one technology and one codebase, minimizing your time-to-market. Qt is available under a dual-licensing"
[17:52] <Irritiable|LT> ... Back to reading math problems...
[17:53] <wxl> meaning it's available under free licenses..... unless you want to use a commercial license for developing proprietary applications with no restrictions on licensing that is inevitably inherient with open source licensing
[18:03] <lubot> <tsimonq2> If anything, that's very freedom respecting. "Pay us money which helps us continue development, otherwise you must use it in open source."
[18:16] <lubot> <JyotiGomes> Hi. May you tell me how can we add new idioms to 18.10?
[18:36] <lubot> <JyotiGomes> I found that i can use IBus to add a new language keyboard
[19:12] <Unlimiter> I'm on Lubuntu right now, but didn't installed it yet. I reached the "Partititions" section, there is "/dev/sda1" and "/dev/sda2". "/dev/sda2" is my main storage device/HDD, what do I do if I don't want to erase all of its existing data?
[19:14] <wxl> Unlimiter: /dev/sda (no numbers) is your actual device. the numbers refer to partitions. do they both take up the entire drive? what file systems do they have?
[19:14] <Unlimiter> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/bmSiTxnW/ss.jpg
[19:15] <wxl> in order to ensure that you do not lose data, you would have to shrink sda2 and create a third partition
[19:15] <wxl> however i am pretty sure ntfs does not support shrinking
[19:15] <Unlimiter> how?
[19:16] <wxl> maybe i'm wrong
[19:16] <wxl> first: go make backups
[19:16] <wxl> seriously.
[19:16] <Unlimiter> okay but, why is the "Next" button not available?
[19:16] <Unlimiter> clickable*
[19:17] <wxl> there's no partition empty to install the image on
[19:17] <Unlimiter> okay, backups then
[19:18] <Unlimiter> I should backup my entire drive right? C:
[19:18] <wxl> yep
[19:18] <Unlimiter> okay, see ya after... hours of backing up to cloud
[19:18] <wxl> ok :)
[19:21] <wxl> Unlimiter: i don't really do windows, but you might want to use windows itself to do the shrinking ahead of time. disk management should be able to do this. something like https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/shrink-and-extend-ntfs-volumes-in-windows/
[19:31] <Unlimiter> it it okay if I just uploaded all C: files to the cloud?
[19:31] <wxl> depends upon your cloud service
[19:32] <Unlimiter> Is it like backing up a hard drive
[19:32] <Unlimiter> ?
[19:33] <wxl> you really want a full disk backup, so if you cloud service supports that, then yes
[19:33] <Unlimiter> nice, GDrive'll do
[19:41] <lubot> <HMollerCl> it always safer to have a backup. Lubuntu 18.10 has the install alongside option who lets you install alongside windows shrinking partitions, I tried this with Fat32 (win xp) and it worked ok but haevn't tested with ntfs. ... again, is alwasy safer to do a backup first.
[19:46]  * wxl officially dubs @HMollerCl The Windows Expert
[19:48] <Irritiable|LT> Qt's available on Windows as well! Although it runs on DirectX now days.
[19:48] <Irritiable|LT> Windows 6+ for the entire UI.
[19:48] <lubot> <HMollerCl> in windows if you only wants to backup you files and you only have used it normally, backing up c:/users/your_users in enough including hidden files. But is safer to backup everything.
[19:50] <Unlimiter> wait a minute, I'm using unetbootin for installing Lubuntu, if I formatted the C: Drive, everything is gone including Lubuntu's installation files, right?
[19:50] <lubot> <HMollerCl> unetbootin for creating the usb installer?
[19:51] <Unlimiter> lubot: yeah, but without a usb
[19:51] <Unlimiter> directly in C:
[19:51] <lubot> <HMollerCl> mmm, I'm really not sure what you are doing.
[19:52] <lubot> <HMollerCl> I've always installed from the liveiso
[19:52] <Unlimiter> I'm installing Lubuntu not from an external drive, but directly from the drive that i'll format
[19:53] <lubot> <HMollerCl> let me understand let say you have a drive called A.
[19:53] <Unlimiter> mhm?
[19:53] <lubot> <HMollerCl> you have a lubuntu ISO in A and want to install that iso in A formating A first?
[19:53] <Unlimiter> yup, that dumb
[19:54] <Unlimiter> not really
[19:54] <lubot> <HMollerCl> When you format A your iso will be lost.
[19:54] <Unlimiter> really, I should get a USB
[19:54] <Unlimiter> I love Lubuntu btw
[19:54] <Unlimiter> I tested it before installation
[19:54] <Unlimiter> and it looks delicious
[19:54] <Unlimiter> fast
[19:55] <lubot> <HMollerCl> better to get an USB, is safer to do it that way.
[19:58] <Unlimiter> yes
[19:58] <Unlimiter> I wish Lubuntu's community is bigger
[20:08] <lubot> <JyotiGomes> Hi! I am using lubuntu 1810. As i use IBus to add a second language keyboard and Fcitx is not so good to perform this task, i removed the Fcitx. There will be some kind of issue after completly removing Fcitx?
[20:11] <wxl> @JyotiGomes fcitx should be well suited to that task. even ubuntu kylin uses it!
[20:13] <lubot> <JyotiGomes> I made a comparasion n prefered IBus ... :-)
[20:14] <wxl> c'est la vie. you can remove fcitx without issues
[20:15] <lubot> <JyotiGomes> @wxl [<wxl> c'est la vie. you can remove fcitx without issues], Thanks, was i want to know ... :-)
[20:15] <lubot> <JyotiGomes> (Video, 9s)https://telegram.lubuntu.me/sgKAm0n0/file_4652.mp4
[22:48] <Unlimiter> What are "Hibernate", "Leave" and "Suspend" for?
[23:05] <kc2bez> "Leave" brings up a dialog box with all of the ways to exit your Lubuntu session.
[23:06] <kc2bez> "Suspend" puts your computer into a low power state, but it is still running.
[23:07] <kc2bez> "Hibernate" saves your computer state to disk and shuts the computer off. When you power the computer back on it resumes where you left off.
[23:08] <kc2bez> Hope that helps ^^ Unlimiter
[23:13] <Unlimiter> kc2bez: sure, thanks