| [04:45] <wxl> @tsimonq2: i took your comment about the SRU team schedule to mean that come Monday my SRU would get looked into but it doesn't seem to be the case.. | |
| [04:46] <lubot> <tsimonq2> @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: i took your comment about the SRU team schedule to mean that co …], Go bother whoever is listed for Tuesday, and/or your favorite member of the SRU team :) | |
| [04:46] <wxl> sigh | |
| [04:47] <lubot> <tsimonq2> If you're not happy with it, maybe you should make a case for me to be a member of the SRU team 😂 | |
| [07:27] <lubot> <Sunny_D_Roger> @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: i took your comment about the SRU team schedule to mean that co …], Hey bot let me tell you something you are stupid | |
| [07:27] <lubot> <tsimonq2> ??? | |
| [07:28] <lubot> <tsimonq2> That's the IRC bridge | |
| [07:28] <lubot> <tsimonq2> That's a real human on the other side of that | |
| [07:39] <lubot> <Sunny_D_Roger> Lol | |
| [07:39] <lubot> <tsimonq2> Please stop, before you get banned. | |
| [07:40] <lubot> <Sunny_D_Roger> Ohhk banning me for such a stupid reason lol | |
| [07:40] <lubot> <tsimonq2> Bye, have fun with your ban. | |
| [12:31] <apt-ghetto> Found a bug, which is very likely caused by calamares-settings-(l)ubuntu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares-settings-ubuntu/+bug/1833490 | |
| [12:31] <ubot93> Launchpad bug 1833490 in calamares-settings-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "lubuntu grub-install puts efi in the wrong directory - could create an unbootable state" [Undecided, Confirmed] | |
| [13:32] <apt-ghetto> And lugito fell asleep | |
| [14:34] <lubot> <HMollerCl> Any other non-us layout user has seen this happening in SDDM? https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues/202#issuecomment-133628462 | |
| [14:35] <apt-ghetto> HMollerCl: Yes, that is "normal" | |
| [14:38] <lubot> <HMollerCl> The other thing I've seen in sddm is that when changing the selected user it "blinks" | |
| [17:11] <wxl> @Guephren i deleted my facebook account. i loathe facebook. none of the rest of us really use it very much, so even though we have a facebook presence, it's pretty much unused and unadvertised. tl;dr no XD | |
| [17:12] <wxl> @Guephren joining phabricator and the telegram dev channel would be a good start | |
| [17:22] <lubot> giygps was added by: giygps | |
| [17:48] <lubot> Guephren was added by: Guephren | |
| [17:52] <lubot> <Guephren> @wxl Making a Facebook group was just half joking. On one hand I also dislike it but I stay around to chat with family, but I don't really go into pages or timeline anymore so I wouldn't use the group. On the other you have everything so separated you I didn't exactly know where to move into. … In any case I'm here now and I'll join | |
| [17:52] <lubot> the Phabricator in a while. | |
| [18:02] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> Found a bug, which is very likely caused by calamares-settings-(l)u …], I don't think the issue is due to calamares-settings-ubuntu. I have followed your instructions about renaming GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR to "bug" and reproduced the issue. But I checked the config file of calamares-settings-ubuntu on phab. | |
| [18:02] <lubot> and as far as I understand it, the installer is setting the distributor to "Lubuntu 19.04" but it creates the directory under ESP and also the nvram entry according to this file : https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/calamares-settings-ubuntu/browse/master/lubuntu/modules/bootloader.conf … which has efiBootloaderId: "Ubuntu" | |
| [18:06] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> I cannot find a config file anywhere in the calamares-settings-ubuntu which sets GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR to "Lubuntu 19.04" | |
| [18:06] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> So the question is what sets the distributor like that? | |
| [18:16] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> @The_LoudSpeaker [I don't think the issue is due to calamares-settings-ubuntu. I have followed you …], * ...the installer *might be* setting the distributor.. | |
| [18:18] <lubot> <aptghetto> @The_LoudSpeaker Have a look at T85 | |
| [18:19] <lubot> <aptghetto> The efibootloaderId is used only during the installation | |
| [18:20] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> @aptghetto [@The_LoudSpeaker Have a look at T85], ack. | |
| [18:21] <lubot> <aptghetto> If you you execute` sudo grub-install 2&> out.txt `you can analyse it in more detail | |
| [18:23] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> @aptghetto [If you you execute sudo grub-install 2&> out.txt you can analyse it in more deta …], ack | |
| [18:29] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> @aptghetto I agree with your comment here https://phab.lubuntu.me/T85#1474 . | |
| [18:32] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> We should add a script at the end of installation, after it sets bootentries and makes directories under ESP, which will set it to GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=`lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian` but the problem we will have is that theme will not use the hummingbird logo, I will lookup what can I do about that. | |
| [19:09] <tsimonq2> Heyyyyyyyyyy folks. | |
| [19:09] <lubot> <lynorian> yes @tsimonq2 | |
| [19:10] <tsimonq2> I have the next few hours free to spend on Lubuntu. | |
| [19:10] <tsimonq2> First thing I'm going to do is some internal LC housekeeping. | |
| [19:10] <tsimonq2> I'll then go through some tasks and sponsor stuff if needed. | |
| [19:11] <tsimonq2> After that, if I can get to it, I'd like to work on doing the CI ISOs as planned. | |
| [19:11] <tsimonq2> Ping me if you have questions. | |
| [19:21] <lubot> <teward001> @tsimonq2 wake up noob | |
| [19:23] <lubot> <tsimonq2> @teward001 [@tsimonq2 wake up noob], noU | |
| [19:23] <lubot> <tsimonq2> *yeets some coffee at @teward001* | |
| [19:25] * genii intercepts and runs off | |
| [19:26] <lubot> <teward001> *uses the Infinity Stones and pulls genii over towards them, takes the coffee, then yeets genii into the sun* | |
| [19:26] <genii> :D | |
| [19:27] <genii> ..at least we know you're awake | |
| [20:08] <lubot> <tsimonq2> @teward001 wake up noob | |
| [20:09] <wxl> @tsimonq2: were you suggesting before that i should bug vanguards about pushing that SRU forward or should i just wait? | |
| [20:12] <tsimonq2> wxl: You mean the bug I just poked about? :P | |
| [20:12] <wxl> ok cool thx :) | |
| [20:12] <tsimonq2> np :) | |
| [20:12] <wxl> one other thing (and don't laugh): do you have any idea of new release plans in lxqt? | |
| [20:12] <tsimonq2> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA | |
| [20:12] <tsimonq2> *wheeeeze* | |
| [20:12] <tsimonq2> Nope | |
| [20:13] <wxl> didn't think so | |
| [20:13] <wxl> do you think we should pull in the patch for lxqt-globalkeys to be xdg compatible or wait? | |
| [20:13] <wxl> cuz our shortcut fixes are kind of stalled waiting on it | |
| [20:15] <tsimonq2> Yeah, pull it in. | |
| [20:16] <wxl> ^^ @The_LoudSpeaker that something you want to do? pulling in a patch is like one of the most crucial packaging jobs to do. if you can do that you're well on your way to doing anything else | |
| [20:18] <wxl> plus it will unstick all the work you did on shortcuts | |
| [21:12] <tsimonq2> @kc2bez: Ready for some Lubuntu Developer grilling? | |
| [21:12] <tsimonq2> wxl is here, I think. | |
| [21:12] <wxl> yep | |
| [21:12] <tsimonq2> Sort of impromptu for a meeting, but this part has to happen in public, heh. | |
| [21:12] <lubot> <kc2bez> I am here. | |
| [21:12] <tsimonq2> Sweet. | |
| [21:12] <lubot> <kc2bez> Sounds fair. | |
| [21:13] <tsimonq2> Okay, so please link your application, your LP profile, and give yourself a brief introduction if you feel it's needed. :P | |
| [21:13] <lubot> <kc2bez> Here is a link to my application: https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/lubuntu-dev/applications/kc2bez/ | |
| [21:14] <lubot> <kc2bez> Here is a link to my LP profile: https://launchpad.net/~kc2bez | |
| [21:14] <lubot> <kc2bez> Here is a link to my phab profile: | |
| [21:14] <lubot> <kc2bez> https://phab.lubuntu.me/p/kc2bez/ | |
| [21:16] <lubot> <kc2bez> I think we have all met but briefly, I am fairly dedicated to helping out this project. I treat it very seriously. I enjoy my time woring with all of you. | |
| [21:16] <lubot> <kc2bez> *working | |
| [21:16] <tsimonq2> Alright, looks good, thanks. So we're just going to ask you a few questions about packaging in general; you may not know the answer to all of them, but the process on what you would do to find the answer is the important part here. I'll let wxl go first, and we'll alternate on questions. | |
| [21:16] <tsimonq2> wxl: Go ahead. | |
| [21:17] <wxl> go first; on the phone | |
| [21:18] <tsimonq2> Okay. | |
| [21:18] <tsimonq2> @kc2bez: What is the difference between a native package and a quilt package? Name an example of each. | |
| [21:21] <lubot> <kc2bez> A native package is one that is specific to Lubuntu, lubuntu-default-settings is an example. There is no source in the debian folder. calamares is an example of a quilt package. To edit a quilt package you would obviously use quilt on the source code. For a native package, you just edit the files. | |
| [21:21] <wxl> ugh phone keeps ringing :( | |
| [21:22] <tsimonq2> wxl: Okay. | |
| [21:22] <tsimonq2> @kc2bez: Good answer, thanks. | |
| [21:22] <wxl> @kc2bez: give an example of a native package that is NOT specific to lubuntu | |
| [21:22] <lubot> <kc2bez> calamares-settings-ubuntu | |
| [21:22] <tsimonq2> XD | |
| [21:23] <tsimonq2> I like that answer. | |
| [21:23] <wxl> best answer would have been usb-creator but that's good :) | |
| [21:23] <tsimonq2> @kc2bez: Why is it important for SRUs to follow the process that they do? | |
| [21:23] <lubot> <kc2bez> :) | |
| [21:24] <lubot> <kc2bez> They are stable release updates. It needs checks and balances to make sure the changes are indeed stable. | |
| [21:25] <tsimonq2> Fair enough. | |
| [21:26] <tsimonq2> One last question for you: what is Feature Freeze, why is it important, and who do you talk to in order to get an exception? | |
| [21:28] <lubot> <kc2bez> Feature Freeze is the period before release that the archive is frozen from uploads. It is important to make sure the release is stable. You have to start with the release manager to get an exception. | |
| [21:28] <lubot> <kc2bez> It better be important ^ | |
| [21:29] <tsimonq2> Good answer. One small correction, while I usually like to spot check them, the Ubuntu Release Team handles them via bug reports called Feature Freeze Exceptions. | |
| [21:29] <tsimonq2> No more questions from me, I'm ready to vote. | |
| [21:29] <tsimonq2> wxl: Any questions from your end? | |
| [21:29] <wxl> yeah 1s | |
| [21:36] <wxl> ok sorry | |
| [21:36] <lubot> <kc2bez> no worries. | |
| [21:36] <wxl> i'm still reading the application here | |
| [21:36] <wxl> and trying to think of really good questions XD | |
| [21:37] <lubot> <kc2bez> Understood :) | |
| [21:37] <wxl> explain the difference between the proposed and released pockets and how they're related? | |
| [21:39] <lubot> <kc2bez> When a package is uploaded it gets put into the proposed pocket. Autopackage tests are run to make sure there are no regressions. If there are no issues it gets merged to the release pocket. | |
| [21:39] <tsimonq2> Just autopkgtests? | |
| [21:40] <lubot> <kc2bez> not sure | |
| [21:41] <tsimonq2> For reference: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration | |
| [21:41] <tsimonq2> "A (particular version of a) package will move into the release pocket when it satisfies all of the following criteria" | |
| [21:41] <tsimonq2> Just keep that page bookmarked and I think you'll be fine. | |
| [21:41] <lubot> <kc2bez> Thank you. | |
| [21:42] <wxl> the number one item is the crucial one which is why i'm always monitoring uploads for whether or not they built everywhere | |
| [21:42] <tsimonq2> (You'd be surprised how many Ubuntu *Core* *Developers* we have that don't know this page exists and just show up in -release when their packages aren't migrating.) | |
| [21:42] <tsimonq2> ^^ | |
| [21:42] <wxl> it always sucks when it dies on s390x or something ugh | |
| [21:42] <tsimonq2> Worst case scenario, I have shell access. | |
| [21:42] <tsimonq2> Anyway... | |
| [21:42] <wxl> i've never run into an issue with two, but it might be an issue with a new package | |
| [21:42] <tsimonq2> wxl: Any other questions? | |
| [21:42] <tsimonq2> Yeah, right. | |
| [21:43] <wxl> #4 is interesting to note (how you can use "block-proposed" to keep it from migrating | |
| [21:43] <wxl> and i feel like i've seen #5 with big migrations like the whole kde suite | |
| [21:43] <wxl> or qt migrations | |
| [21:44] <wxl> anywho you're on the right track :) | |
| [21:44] <wxl> ok here's my stumper question. this is for bonus points. | |
| [21:44] <lubot> <kc2bez> :) | |
| [21:44] <wxl> what happens if you `dput` a .changes file without any other arguments/ | |
| [21:45] <wxl> NO CHEATING :) | |
| [21:45] <tsimonq2> ooooooooooh | |
| [21:46] <wxl> told ya | |
| [21:46] <tsimonq2> I've encountered this before. | |
| [21:46] <tsimonq2> NOT fun to not know this one. :P | |
| [21:46] <wxl> this is the #1 thing you will need to know as a new developer XD | |
| [21:46] <wxl> if you don't knwo the answer it's ok | |
| [21:47] <lubot> <kc2bez> Seems like an issue, I have no idea | |
| [21:47] <tsimonq2> /etc/dput.cf has your answer. | |
| [21:47] <wxl> it defaults to going to the ubuntu archive | |
| [21:47] <tsimonq2> [DEFAULT] | |
| [21:47] <tsimonq2> ... | |
| [21:47] <tsimonq2> default_host_main = ubuntu | |
| [21:47] <wxl> now dput is also used for uploading to ppas | |
| [21:47] <tsimonq2> And to Debian. | |
| [21:48] <wxl> so the mistake comes when you try to upload to a ppa and forget to enter the ppa argument | |
| [21:48] <tsimonq2> *Totally* haven't accidentally uploaded a package meant for Debian to Ubuntu before. *Totally* haven't... | |
| [21:48] <lubot> <kc2bez> Ah, makes sense. no args goes to default | |
| [21:48] <tsimonq2> Yes. | |
| [21:48] <wxl> so you can set default_host_main to "do_not_do_that_dummy" | |
| [21:48] <tsimonq2> ^ | |
| [21:48] <tsimonq2> wxl: Alright, ready to vote? | |
| [21:48] <wxl> yuuuuup | |
| [21:48] <tsimonq2> You go first :) | |
| [21:49] <wxl> +1 you were going to get it anyways XD | |
| [21:49] <tsimonq2> +1 what he said | |
| [21:49] <tsimonq2> Congratulations! | |
| [21:49] <lubot> <kc2bez> XD | |
| [21:49] <tsimonq2> I'll add you to the LP team and announce to the mailing list. | |
| [21:49] <lubot> <kc2bez> Thanks :D | |
| [21:49] <tsimonq2> Thanks for your contributions! | |
| [21:50] * wxl high 5's @kc2bez ! | |
| [21:50] <lubot> <kc2bez> I really do appreciate the support. | |
| [21:51] <wxl> no, *we* appreciate the support | |
| [21:51] <tsimonq2> ^^ | |
| [21:54] <lubot> <tsimonq2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-devel/2019-July/001629.html | |
| [22:44] <lubot> <tsimonq2> OOH, 6000 Twitter followers! | |
| [22:46] <wxl> wow | |
| [22:54] <lubot> <N0um3n0> congrats @kc2bez ;) | |
| [22:55] <lubot> <N0um3n0> @tsimonq2 [OOH, 6000 Twitter followers!], wowww | |
| [23:09] <lubot> <HMollerCl> Congrats @kc2bez | |
| [23:09] <lubot> <HMollerCl> !!!! | |
| [23:27] <lubot> <kc2bez> Thanks @N0um3n0 and @HMollerCl | |