=== emma_ is now known as emma === Moot2 is now known as MootBot === persia_ is now known as persia === RainCT is now known as RainCT_ === Rafik_ is now known as Rafik === menyort is now known as ApOgEE- === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Mozilla Team | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 05 Aug 22:00 UTC: Community Council | 06 Aug 20:00 UTC: Maryland LoCo IRC | 07 Aug 12:00 UTC: Ubuntu Mobile Team | 07 Aug 14:00 UTC: Ubuntu Java Team | 08 Aug 00:00 UTC: Americas Board [19:05] asac, you're late for the meeting [19:13] Ok... We're missing few people from the meeting so we can try to do what we can now :). [19:13] so.. we only have a small agenda with 3 items from gnomefreak but he's not there. neither is asac. [19:13] heh, fta :) [19:14] do we postpone or proceed anyway ? [19:15] fta, I think we can finish the first item, get few possible days for bug work for the second item, and postpone for the third item [19:15] sounds fine. [19:15] ok, i'll lead, until asac shows up [19:16] 1st item: status updates from the tasks set at last meeting [19:16] gnomefreak is not there but he wanted to make sure no action point is blocked [19:17] tasks set at the last meeting: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Meetings/Minutes/2008-06-22 [19:17] hm, ok [19:17] shirish is not there either [19:18] I think shirish's task is done... [19:18] yep, let's skip the actions tagged as "done" [19:18] yep :) [19:18] "Reorganize extension wiki pages", that's yours Jazzva [19:18] status ? [19:18] My task for Extensions wiki is done... just need to update status [19:19] excellent [19:19] "Add thunderbird examples to XPI.TEMPLATE and document that on MozillaTeam/Extensions/Packaging page." [19:20] I haven't heard if asac added it... Anyway, that shouldn't be hard, so I can do it, if he can't... [19:20] looking at the mozilla-devscripts branch, it's not there [19:20] we can check that later with asac. [19:20] Jazzva, feel free to reassign to yourself [19:20] (I'll start filling in "Decisions" column on wiki, as a reminder :)) [19:21] ok [19:21] next is "Write a blog post/announcement with these stats and a call to join m-e-d team. Include "medal of honor" for the m-e-d member that updated most packages." [19:21] i guess no progress [19:21] that goes together with "Target initial m-e-d report for end of July (or if we are good June)"... I suppose we can handle that later [19:22] no progress yet. We have the post template only, still need to work out a way to get all the data [19:22] any volunteer to take over gnomefreak for this one ? [19:23] (would be good if volunteer has an idea how to fetch the data ;)) [19:23] I guess we need someone on planet [19:23] fta, I would like if we could talk later on fetching that (you're the script-master :P) [19:24] and see if we can work something out... [19:24] indeed, stats is one part (i can script something), publishing is the other part (but i'm not on planet) [19:24] then gnomefreak can post it, and it will get on planet. [19:24] ok [19:24] cool... then we have that set. :) [19:25] next is "Provide basic blog post layout", for you [19:25] and that means we're also done with this "Target initial m-e-d report for end of July (or if we are good June)". [19:25] oops, no, rescheddule to august [19:26] (we're definitely bad) [19:26] ok [19:26] hm, "Provide basic blog post layout" is done => skip [19:26] well, we have the last one not started... [19:27] "Document redirection procedure to mozillateam-community on mozillateam membership page" was for asac [19:27] let's keep this open unless someone wants to do it [19:27] I suppose this is the MT membership page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/GettingInvolved , section "Joining the team" [19:27] Anyone willing to document it :)? [19:28] hmm... if no one applies I'll see to do it later, if asac won't... [19:28] that's politics, i pass [19:29] Jazzva, ok, we'll poll asac. [19:29] ok... then we're ready for the next agenda item? [19:29] what's next? [19:29] 2nd item: Bug work [19:29] Notes: There is way too many bugs on our packages: propose one day a week everyone works on bugs [19:30] ok... so, let's get few options set now, so we can decide on the final day when we get in touch with asac and gnomefreak... [19:30] i remember asac worked with the bug squad a few weeks ago [19:30] fta, what do you mean? [19:32] iirc, he wants the bug squad team to take care of the triaging as much as possible [19:33] i guess we need asac here [19:33] mhm... so we need to see this with asac. (I thought we're gonna work on that) [19:33] it's mostly described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/TriagersHandbook [19:34] and it's pretty much done. the only thing we need is to document how to forward bugs upstream [19:34] if we still have too many bugs after that, then we need to setup a mozilla bug day [19:36] ok... than not much to do on this now... [19:36] right [19:36] next [19:36] 3rd item: is libflashsupport really needed [19:36] Notes: libflashsupport only causes crashes and should be removed from repos IMO [19:36] in my mind, yes :D [19:37] heh :)... [19:37] it's a pulseaudio + nonfree flash problem [19:37] are there any positive sides of libflashsupport? [19:37] if libflashsupport is not installed, we can play music only from 1 source [19:37] it makes sound work with pulse [19:38] libflashsupport was no longer installed by default in hardy. something pulled it back in recently. asac complained. [19:38] libflashsupport is needed for flash <9 if you want to play any sound from it through pulse [19:38] err [19:38] <10 sorry [19:38] yep [19:38] hardy ships flash 9 [19:39] (i know) [19:39] adobe did sme changes to their playback protocol shortly before we released [19:39] which make libflashsupport crash occasionally [19:39] nothing you can do about that without having the flash source [19:39] which we dont [19:40] so it's either no sound or crashing... right? [19:40] ine thing to consider would be to upgrade hardy to flash 10 and drop libflashsupport, but that violates SRU policy [19:40] *one [19:40] ogra, yep... that's what I thought, but then ditched it because of policy violation [19:40] well, in intrepid, it's possible to have sound in flash without this lib, providing a good p-a setup, [19:40] probably something to bring in front of the TB [19:41] fta, that's true... so we can possibly drop libflashsupport in intrepid... [19:41] (sound in flash works for me) [19:41] right, intrepid uses flash 10 [19:41] lennart (pa upstream and libflashsupport upstream) had some words with adobe [19:42] and they actually listened [19:42] but that still doesnt solve it for hardy [19:42] it works for me too (in intrepid) but there's a race for the dsp with other programs. i had to use the alsa-lib from crimson. [19:43] sorry but I have to go now... come back later, good meeting [19:44] so... no cons for removal in intrepid, only pros ? [19:44] * ogra already requested libflashsupport removal [19:44] fta, I guess for now... [19:44] (note that i used maintain it) [19:44] ogra, where? [19:45] removal you mean ? [19:45] yep [19:45] from intrpid [19:45] its not needed anymore since we have flash 10 there [19:45] and where did you requested it :)? a bug report? [19:45] what bug number? :) [19:45] which breaks with libflashsupport installed [19:45] i talked with colin about it [19:46] normally flash10 has improved the sound support, working fine for me without libflash [19:46] doesnt really need a bug report [19:46] ah... ok [19:47] dont worry, it will be gone soon, every package i dont have to care for frees up my time for more important stuff ;) [19:47] good :) [19:47] ok, good. next ? [19:47] and I suppose we're done with this, too... [19:48] 4th item: Other business [19:48] is there something ? [19:48] If anyone has to talk about any item, let's do it now :) [19:50] i don't have anything [19:50] Well, I suppoe we're done then :) [19:50] *suppose === RoAk is now known as RoAkSoAx [19:50] who's volunteering for the minutes ? [19:51] I'll write them... [19:51] Jazzva, thank you [19:51] No problem :) [19:51] we'll brief asac (or he'll read the channel logs) [19:51] Well, thank you all for attending the meeting. I suppose we done as much as we could. We will finish the rest in #ubuntu-mozillateam [19:52] See you there ;) [19:52] thank you all for attending. see you next time, and visit us in #ubuntu-mozillateam if anything comes up in the meantime. [19:52] bye. === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 05 Aug 22:00 UTC: Community Council | 06 Aug 20:00 UTC: Maryland LoCo IRC | 07 Aug 12:00 UTC: Ubuntu Mobile Team | 07 Aug 14:00 UTC: Ubuntu Java Team | 08 Aug 00:00 UTC: Americas Board | 08 Aug 04:00 UTC: Ubuntu MOTU === RainCT_ is now known as RainCT