[12:19] mdke: maybe, I could host it [12:20] theCore: I don't think there will be a problem with hosting, but thanks for the offer [12:20] ah ok [12:52] so am I reading into this correctly? Are we going to start using Bazaar and push away from SVN? [12:53] nixternal: no, just talking about bzr [12:53] ahh ok, I was just a little confused maybe with getting rid of https://docteam and forwarding it to doc.ubuntu.com [12:53] and the initial "OMG this takes forever" factor of Bazaar [12:55] mdke: here is what I have noticed. Bazaar uses your SSH RSA key, and my KDE SVN account also uses my SSH RSA key, and KDE SVN+SSH is slow initially just like Bazaar. I wonder if it has something to do with that [12:58] well, one of the bzr guys told me yesterday that latency was the problem, or something like tht [12:59] that is a lot of latency [12:59] but supposedly when this "smart server" thing is done it'll be afaster [12:59] nixternal: nothing was said about getting rid of https://docteam. it's http://docteam (without the "s") that we've forwarded to doc.ubuntu.com [12:59] i wonder if the SSH authentication is just slower than normal [12:59] mdke: gotcha! [01:00] nixternal: I don't think so because I've used bzr without ssh and it was still slow [01:00] ahh [01:01] but right now it's it's slower then zvn by a factor of 3 [01:01] but that's on initial checkout [01:01] we need to test the actual spped of use [01:01] because you only checkout once (or at least not that often) [01:03] LaserJock: the actual speed of use is damn close to SVN === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:03] so I have noted with the sandbox Riddell created and the Ichthux branches [01:04] hiya jsgotangco! [01:07] hmm, this seems odd: ping for www.ubuntu.com is 199ms but for my lab computers at the uni it's 1000ms :( [01:08] haha [01:08] nice [01:09] so it's 5 times faster to go 5000+ miles than 5 === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-135-240.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:11] well for me, if I use ca.archive it is way faster than using us.archive. and our group manages the US archive at Argonne which is less than 10 miles from me [01:12] us == 106ms and ca == 35ms [01:12] shesh [01:13] hey === jsgotangco about to go offline to grab his plane [01:22] jsgotangco: just ordered Portillos :) === nixternal eats [01:22] lol [01:26] alright im out ciao [01:26] cya jsgotangco [01:26] hi, btw [01:26] hey [01:26] hehe === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Polygon89 [n=mark@c-71-226-119-122.hsd1.az.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Polygon89 [n=mark@c-71-226-119-122.hsd1.az.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving] === david_corrales [n=david@ip247-10.ct.co.cr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.193.246] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:31] mdke, the summary at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/help-and-support-access could be updated with the summary from the spec itself [04:31] (but I don't have permission to do that) [05:24] Any of you guys running Beryl on Edgy? === ryanakca [i=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === coreyt [n=corey@pool-71-252-254-218.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === UbuntuSt1ts [n=StatsBot@bl4-214-130.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@60.254.67.17] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bdmurray_ [n=theman@c-24-21-235-175.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:46] sheesh [06:46] some of those devs in beryl-dev need an attitude adjustment. [06:49] :-) [06:49] meh, I just ignore them. === iSeriesSysAdm [n=davidvas@64-17-87-28.co.warpdriveonline.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === xipietotec [n=jackfros@194.115.109.66.static.dis.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc === BooM82 [n=BooM82@ip24-252-122-112.no.no.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-21-165.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc === TLE [n=kenneth@cpe.atm2-0-54382.0x50a1da32.kjnxx4.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ppp-4-72.25-151.libero.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:45] mpt: ok [11:46] mpt: done === fijam [n=fijam@unaffiliated/fijam] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Llan [n=joerg@dslb-084-056-218-190.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-135-240.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:13] Hey, who else is working on xubuntu desktop guide? [12:14] fijam: somerville32 [12:14] that's about it [12:14] and nobody else? It seems that there's a lot of work to be done [12:15] fijam: yeah, that's right I think. [12:15] fijam: the important thing is to make realistic targets, don't bite off too much for each release [12:15] Yeah, I am aware of it [12:16] thanks anyway [12:16] a guy called luzi was working on it [12:16] but he said he hasn't got much time [12:16] Luzius Something? === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-21-165.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:16] that's right [12:17] I'll search for some contact === AlexLatchford [n=alex@82-44-193-109.cable.ubr07.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:49] hmm, xubuntu documentation structure is organized differently from ubuntu/kubuntu documentation. Do you happen to know if that's done purpousefully or it is like that because it is outdated? [12:50] fijam: in this release the ubuntu/kubuntu documentation changed structure very substantially [12:50] fijam: as yet the xubuntu documentation hasn't had enough contributors to do the same, although Cody has some plans I think [12:52] I'll have to ask him for details [12:53] yep [12:53] ok, see you later [12:53] you should make integration of xfce upstream documentation a big target, IMO [12:54] we'll see what we can do with our limited manpower === mdke nods [12:54] but I agree that xubuntu shouldn't fall behind [12:54] bye === fijam [n=fijam@unaffiliated/fijam] has left #ubuntu-doc ["See] === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.126] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ppp-188-105.25-151.libero.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === fijam [n=fijam@unaffiliated/fijam] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:21] is conglomerate a good tool to edit docbook documentation? [03:29] fijam: I personally don't like it much [03:30] but you can try it! [03:36] any alternatives? (I suppose I'll stay with bare code anyway) [03:36] fijam: I think most of us tend to use normal editors or bluefish [03:37] ok, thanks === dsas [n=dean@cpc3-stok6-0-0-cust253.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === medders [n=matt@81.168.72.134] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:47] Hi, I'm going to record a screencast (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreencastTeam/Requests/ManagingDigitalPhotos) and wondered if anyone had any comments on my draft plan [04:48] am not at home right now, will have a look when I get in, is that okay? [04:48] popey: yeah sure, any time would be alright by me [04:50] medders: f-spot is installed by default [04:50] dsas: i was thinking about using dapper [04:50] dsas: I did't think it was installed there [04:50] no, it was an edgy change. [04:50] we should try and get the screencasts as up to date as possible, though [04:51] in particular, we should start aiming at feisty soonish [04:51] thats true [04:52] i doubt the businesses and such that use the LTS would look at the screencasts [04:54] do you think that f-spot should be the default for importing photos? [04:54] gthumb seems dated next to it [04:54] yes [04:55] do you know if it will be in feisty? [04:55] I thought it was already in Edgy [04:55] there's been no mention of removing f-spot for feisty. [04:56] i mean making it the default for importing photos [04:56] :) [04:56] I didn't realise it wasn't to be honest. [04:57] i havn't checked in feisty but I know that in edgy gThumb is still the default [04:58] I'll check in a bit === bojicas [n=bojicas@ner-as11712.alshamil.net.ae] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:06] medders: no, it's still gthumb, you could file a bug about that if you want [05:06] mdke: Cheers, I'll do that sometime today [05:24] Done: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/80856 [05:24] Malone bug 80856 in Ubuntu "F-Spot as default for importing photos" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.193.246] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Konversation] [05:26] hmm, I could be wrong mdke, but I thought you were one of the people against f-spot being default in edgy. [05:31] dsas: yeah, you're right [05:31] I've converted now :) [05:31] mdke: Did your problems get fixed? [05:32] dsas: no, I changed the way I manage photos [05:34] ah, I remember, to dated folders from organised folders? [05:35] I always used dated folders anyway, that's what my camera did on windows... === mdke nods [05:36] I just imported everything into f-spot [05:47] do you know what command I should use to get f-spot to autmatically import the photos from a camera? [05:47] the one that goes into the removable drives and media dialog [05:47] I've got it up until "f-spot --import" [05:47] but I don't know how to pas the right directory to it [05:47] you open that dialogue from System/Control Center/Removable Drives and Media [05:47] or did I misunderstand? [05:48] Yup, sorry, should have said === fijam [n=fijam@unaffiliated/fijam] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:19] Is there any reference or specification that covers the new structure of documentation available? [06:20] TopicBasedHelp [06:20] ah, right === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc === david_corrales [n=david@ip247-10.ct.co.cr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt hugs everyone === mdke hugs mpt, reasoning that he must have showered by now === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:35] At the local Saturday market there was a guy with a big sign offering "Free Hugs" === david_corrales [n=david@ip247-10.ct.co.cr] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Ex-Chat"] [07:35] and a cameraman nearby for the inevitable YouTubery [07:35] mpt: did you give him one? [07:35] mpt: i think that's the first I ever heard of YouTubery [07:36] "This is from the Ubuntu docteam [07:36] http://youtube.com/results?search_query=free+hugs [07:36] mdke, alas, the market was nearly closed and I had to run to get some money to buy stuff [07:37] and when I returned they had vanished [07:40] I bet it was all in your imagination [07:43] mdke: jjesse sent an email about the SRU for Kubuntu-docs. I have responded, but won't be able to send it out until I get home [07:43] it seems they block some ports here at the college [07:46] I read it [08:45] evening all === edmund [n=edmund@82-46-24-109.stb.ubr01.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === edmund [n=edmund@82-46-24-109.stb.ubr01.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Ex-Chat"] === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.126] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ppp-190-84.25-151.libero.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:31] crimsun: can you remind me of the commands I need to do for debugging that audio thing? Just doing the bug report now. [09:32] tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat && amixer && lspci -nv && asoundconf list && cat /etc/asound.conf ~/.asoundrc* && dmesg && cat /proc/interrupts [09:32] whoosh [09:33] crimsun: which of those was the one I did both on a cold boot and after hibernate? [09:33] the following one: cat /proc/asound/card0/codec*/* [09:33] great [09:34] I believe Andrew Ash has added a link to that LP bug comment on the DebuggingSoundProblems wiki page [09:35] ah, he just dumped the entire comment (essentially) at the top of the page === medders [n=matt@81.168.72.134] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:35] just as good [09:38] mdke: are you serious that you think screencasts should target feisty? [09:39] popey: well, I said we should start thinking about it [09:39] ok [09:39] crimsun: it's bug 80893 [09:39] Malone bug 80893 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Audio disappears after hibernate" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80893 [09:40] problem is the UI changes so we can be instantly out of date [09:40] unless we wait and start making them after the freeze? [09:40] (I considered this for dapper last year) [09:41] mdke: triaged, thanks. [09:41] Well, it depends if the freeze is going to mean something or not [09:41] heh [09:41] thank you crimsun [09:41] take for example the herd2 had System --> preferences whereas now feisty has the gnome control center [09:42] crimsun: I'm not sure that it occurs after suspend, only hibernate. Let me try [09:44] crimsun: yeah, it's fine after suspend [09:44] Description amended. [09:44] :) [09:45] well, that pushes it square into suspend code [09:45] squarely === xipietotec [n=jackfros@cpe-67-49-247-144.dc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:45] (suspend-to-disk) [09:46] ah [09:47] ok, this might be dumb, but... [09:47] upon resuming from suspend-to-disk, is the volume key's mute/unmute toggle working? [09:48] I'll check [09:48] I _think_ the T43 has one [09:48] it has a mute, not an unmute though [09:48] or rather, you press the mute button to mute it, then the volume up key to unmute it [09:48] right, so you'd have to lower/raise the volume using one of the other hotkeys to unmute [09:49] I'll try. [09:49] crimsun: one thing I just realised. [09:49] crimsun: what i just did was: cold boot (working), hibernate (not working), suspend (without rebooting - working) [09:49] right, I figured you did that ;) [09:50] crazy that suspending it makes it work again, without rebooting [09:50] ok, I'll try another hibernate [09:50] would you test the cold boot -> suspend-to-ram -> resume path? [09:50] sure [09:54] crimsun: that path works. Trying hibernate again now [09:57] crimsun: ok, the volume keys seem to work, in that Gnome is showing me volume ups/downs/mutes. But sound isn't coming out [09:58] mdke: ok, thanks === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-135-240.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-doc === david_corrales_ [n=david@ip247-10.ct.co.cr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === david_corrales_ is now known as david_corrales [11:57] Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3707 ubuntu/libs/gnome-menus-C.ent: some entities used in office.xml [12:00] Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3708 kubuntu/C/office/office.xml: some typos [12:00] Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3709 /trunk/ (18 files in 3 dirs): adding pot files and script to make em easily. More checking needs to be done for these [12:01] Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3710 ubuntu/pots/.pot: whoops [12:01] ;) [12:06] mdke, what's the plan for dealing with the empty contents pane? === david_corrales [n=david@ip247-10.ct.co.cr] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Ex-Chat"] [12:09] mpt: which pane?