[02:18] Hello, I would like to test Jaunty. I have 8.10. How may I upgrade to the Jaunty alpha? [02:21] do-release-upgrade -d perhaps [02:31] mikegriffin: will this autoupgrade, or just give me the choice to continue? [02:31] you know what alpha means don't you? [02:31] mikegriffin: yes [02:32] I want to know if it works so I'll know if I need to make another partition and install on that. If I can't upgrade to the alpha, then no sense in making another partition [02:33] it will modify sources.list and grab the new meta data followed by a prompt to proceed, at that point if you say no, it will undo the changes to sources.list and clean up meta iirc [02:33] tried it once a few days ago and it seems like that is what happened but ymmv [02:33] ah ok [02:34] i just went to jj and most things are working, some are very broken [02:34] What is it that's broken? [02:36] various things, nothing that is a show stopper or easy to describe [02:37] oh === jason__ is now known as DBO === mn is now known as ok === ok is now known as mn [04:18] http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=13322 [04:19] Hmm, I wonder how long it'll be before I'll be able to use compiz on OSS drivers. [04:54] Is there any way to get PulseAudio to use a HID device attached to a USB audio device... to control that audio device rather than the default audio device? [06:05] when I try to bring up a gnome-terminal or any other terminal I get the dialog "There was an error creating the child process for this terminal", and when I try to ssh into the machine I get "PTY allocation request failed on channel 0", which I assume is another symptom of the same problem. What's going on here? [08:00] how can I just upgrade to 8.10? [08:00] or is 9.04 ok to upgrade to? [08:41] Has anyone had any trouble connecting to wireless networks in the past week? [10:07] hey i keep getting an error trying to upgade to jaunty alpha 2 [10:07] http://pastebin.com/df2b4205 [10:09] can any one help me out? [10:09] is anyone online? [10:12] it just keeps happening and i dont know what to do [10:18] somethingclever: use a different repo, or manaully/visually check it [10:18] somethingclever: don't forget jaunty is still in development so can and will break [10:19] how do i get the update manager to look at a different repo? [10:19] somethingclever: with respect if you cant manage the package manager you shouldn't be upgrading to alpha software in my opinion [10:21] probably not, im not too worried about breaking the system, though. i just [10:21] kinda want to mess with jaunty [10:22] think of it from a point of view of people supporting you, if you can't change the package managers sources, your going to be asking for help with everything in a development repo [10:22] which isn't really the intention of the channel [10:22] but it's your call if you want to push on, just realise you won't get support for it [10:23] i get it, after the upgrade is done, im sure I can manage from there [10:23] if not [10:23] I'll reinstall [10:23] no biggie [10:24] ok, good luck [12:43] q: will ndiswrapper and ndisutils ndisgtk be available in xubuntu for PPC? Im running an old ibook g3 600mhz and trying to hook up a wireless Linksys WUSB300N [13:07] hi, I have a question: I'm running jaunty currently, but I can only access "low graphics mode" with a tiny resolution. I have nvidia geforce 7050. Jockey doesn't show me any drivers, installing the nvidia-glx-new or nvidia-glx-### doesn't work (either aptitude says No candidate version found or it wants to remove xorg). [13:07] Any possibility of running in higher resolution/with compiz? [13:29] well, I guess jaunty is still alpha, so I'll try again later. === erle64- is now known as erle- [17:18] few users from 8.04 are reporting that during a dist-upgrade they had a lot of Jaunty (9.04) packages installed! [17:29] hi, how do I request a package to be upgraded on jaunty ? do I contact the maintainers ? (MOTU, in this case, on their mailing list ?) [20:14] anybody want to comment the sstate of today's daily iso build? [20:14] good ... bad... use alpha 2 instead? === blueyed_ is now known as blueyed [20:51] where can I see the current features available in this alpha release? [21:20] http://dpaste.com/104999/ apt-get install nvidia-glx-96 The following packages will be REMOVED: xorg xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core... xorg-everthing.... [21:20] so does that mean I will have no X? [21:23] yep [21:23] -> report it as bug. dependency problem ;) [21:24] remember that the new X server abi (1.6) is incompatible with the current Nvidia drivers in the repo [21:25] TheInfinity: it isn't a dependency problem/bug. it's correct. [21:25] http://dpaste.com/105002/ theres the result [21:25] dtchen: hmm ok. :) [21:26] so I am guessing I should go back to ibex [21:26] dtchen: so more a version problem of nvidia drivers. [21:27] ok i dont have to use this drivers, didnt know [21:27] CarlFK: jaunty is alpha. what do you expect? :) [21:28] re: conversation about nvidia-glx-96: why include those drivers at all to install if installing them breaks x? [21:29] that said.. "it's beta" is a perfectly valid response [21:29] because there is no existing driver that IS compatible with the 1.6 abi yet? [21:30] (obviously referring to fglrx & nvidia here) [21:31] also, it's standard for things to break horribly for the first several alphas [21:31] right, but, it is broken, is the only point i'm making [21:31] jsnyder: will be fixed when nvidia releases compatible drivers [21:31] the package description may be right, but the result of installing it is broken [21:31] right [21:32] no, it works fine with the current fglrx & nvidia drivers if you pin to the previous versions of xserver-xorg, xserver-xorg-core, xserver-xorg-input-evdev [21:33] i've been running that on my laptop for some time [21:33] right [21:33] (sorry, typing on this g1 is pretty slow) [21:33] are those in the jaunty repo, or do you have to pin it from intrepid [21:33] you have to pull from launchpad [21:33] they were formerly in jaunty [21:33] ah, is there a ppa or something? [21:34] no [21:34] use the lp links for those versions [21:34] ah, ok [21:34] fair enough, and then just pin the versions [21:35] 7.4~5ubuntu5, 1.5.3-1ubuntu1, 2.0.99+git20080912-0ubuntu6, respectively [21:35] i think i may just wait on intrepid until those releases happen [21:35] ok [21:36] i also use 0.15.2-0ubuntu7 of xserver-xorg-input-synaptics [21:36] also, nvidia are just planning to update the mainline, most-modern drivers, I assume? not the old ones needed to support older hardware? [21:37] likely, tho' i am no engineering manager at nvidiaq [21:40] how do I pin thing? [21:41] see apt_preferences [21:42] it'd be nice in the mean time to provide deprecated packages for x, that could get installed alongside the nvidia drivers, but I suppose I understand not wanting to support 2 versions of X [21:43] i presume you just mean doing holds on packages? [21:43] the release notes for the current alphas make a point to state not using on prod systems [21:43] pins are not the same as holds [21:44] the former is done solely through conffile, the latter, through an interactive session with apt/dpkg [21:45] right, I've done that previously when I've installed my own versions of netatalk with ssl enabled. [21:46] I see, in the man page for apt_preferences [21:49] thanks [21:51] dtchen: im ok with all this - it's a box hooked to my TV so I can watch crap. as long as it doesn't catch fire and burn my house down while I sleep... [21:52] the gpl doesn't guarantee it won't... [21:52] so it's a good environment for testing and getting buggs flushed out [21:54] Ill put some 2 leeter bottles of soda on top of it. fire will cause the bottles to explode, and the resulting spray will put out the fire [21:54] or at lest the bang will wake me up [21:55] there you go [21:56] actually, with crt monitors it used to be possible to potentially blow out your monitor if you set things up incorrectly [21:56] http://www.daemonnews.org/199901/xpert.html [21:57] I think the X configurator used to carry some sort of warning a while ago to that effect... [21:58] I have another box that likes to reboot durring the boot process. ran memtest for 12 hours, no errors [21:58] tried some kernel noThisNthat, no help [21:58] what is the most 'safe' set of kernel params? [21:59] you might want to try disabling acpi [21:59] im sure I did :) [21:59] hrm.. [21:59] does it boot to single user? [21:59] nope [22:00] not sure it ever gets past mounting the root fs [22:00] it does get to that, becuase it just started doing fsck [22:00] so it blows up on fsck? [22:00] do live cds boot? [22:00] I looked away, I looked back a few min later, it was back to POST [22:01] hmm.. [22:01] juanty live cd also did the reboot loop [22:01] I have a 7.10 cd I should try [22:01] ok, so it's not the disk drive [22:01] yeah, i'd try a release version [22:03] fsck, got about 2 = up, rebooted. 7.10 cd was in, i picked safe graphics mode, the bouncy bar bounced back and forth maybe 2 times, reboot [22:04] so you tried acpi=off and noapic? [22:05] leme do that now... [22:06] I haven't had any boards with wonky acpi or apic recently, but those have helped in the past [22:07] sometimes bios updates have fixed issues like that too [22:08] I suppose the other standard procedure of pulling everything not necessary to boot whichever media you have the OS on applies as well. [22:21] trying ... acpi=off noapic [22:21] wholy crap - the 7.10 cd booted to a desktop [22:25] nice [22:26] crap - I should have done some lshw to get bios id stuff... [22:27] booted the jaunty alt installer with acpi=off noapic - thats working. [22:27] could just be that the box needed to warm up... [22:27] interesting