[00:12] where can i install qt 4.5 and/or kde 4.3 (trunk) on kubuntu 8.10? [00:14] google up project neon [00:15] it provides builds of 4.3 [00:15] qt 4.5 is in jaunty though [00:16] is it safe now to upgrade from 8.10 to jaunty? [00:19] atm there is upgrade going on from kde 4.2.0 to 4.2.1 so I would wait [00:19] plasma-addons for example is broken for me [00:20] other then that it should be safe and stable in few days once all the 4.2.1 packages are in palce [00:20] place [01:30] hello all, I have problems with kubuntu jaunty and the bluetooth applet [01:30] It doesn't start when I plug my bluetooth adapter [01:30] I have to start it manually [01:30] anyone else? [02:21] a|wen: Did you have any luck with regina-normal? [02:28] anyone with problems in jaunty with bluetooth? the applet doesn't start when i active the laptop bluetooth [02:32] If he'd stick around for more than two minutes ... [02:32] torkiano: Sit! [02:33] torkiano: It works well for some and not for others. [02:33] mmm, quassel crash when minimize to systray... [02:33] torkiano: My advice is file bugs. [02:34] Not here. [02:34] torkiano: Look in your home dir for a quassel crash log and file a bug with it attached. [02:35] ScottK: ok, I'm going to file the bugs [02:35] torkiano: You can also get debug packages for quassel from http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/q/quassel/ [02:35] You might install that so if it crashes again you get a more complete backtrace. [02:36] ScottK: thank you, installing... [02:45] is there any decision to use webkit in konqueror? [02:45] no [02:45] or arora? [02:46] I thought that does use webkit [02:46] as in basically the reason it exists is to use webkit [02:46] I run arora as my default browser and works very well [02:47] Great [03:36] JontheEchidna: I thought you were taking care of kde4bindings for kubuntu-experimental? I don't see it there.... [03:44] Tm_T: koffice2 backport building in my PPA now. Should be done sometime tomorrow ... === DreadKnight is now known as DeadNight === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening [05:56] good morning [06:08] hey [06:48] FYI, found a solution for my konsole rendering issues from last night: [06:49] "konsole --graphicssystem raster" [06:49] (with Qt 4.5) [07:29] ScottK: just got to look at it now... had a lot of $realwork that caught my time; but i'll get it done === quassel251 is now known as jussi01 [08:56] ScottK: roger roger, I build it from svn too so we'll see if there's difference in that part === milian_ is now known as milian [11:15] Tm_T: Well it FTBFS, so I need to look at it some more. [11:15] a|wen: Thanks. Good to hear it. [11:16] ScottK: do you ever sleep? [11:16] Sometimes. [11:16] understood [11:16] sleep is overrated [11:16] true 'nuff [11:17] also, all people who regularly sleep die eventually [11:17] there'll be time later [11:17] so I consider sleeping as dangerous [11:22] Warren Zevon had a song called "I'll Sleep When I'm Dead". [11:28] ScottK: showed your age with that one [11:31] Sput: life is only a period of time you are supposed to survive [11:32] I liked warren zevon -_- [11:32] me too [11:34] is anyone here further west than UTC-7? [11:48] new k3b-kde4 snapshot is going to my ppa, for testers interested... [11:49] anyone here has a DVD-RW ? I don't and can't test dvd burning... [11:52] I can try it out for you [11:53] how can I do that, it's all new to me [11:53] I mean how do I get the file? [11:55] scott_ev: you have to add my ppa to your sources.list [11:55] scott_ev: and then perform a sudo apt-get update [11:55] then sudo apt-get install k3b libk3b-extracodecs [11:56] and then simply test burning a iso DVD (kubuntu one's a good test...) [11:56] ok, how do I get your ppa [11:56] and let me know if that works :) [11:56] scott_ev: https://edge.launchpad.net/~tonio/+archive/ppa [11:57] scott_ev this is the line you have to add to your /etc/apt/sources/list : deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/tonio/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main [11:57] k, I have to take the laptop into the other room since kde4 and k3b are on my desktop [11:58] oki there is no emergency btw [11:58] scott_ev: one you have been able to test, please ping me or send me an email at tonio at ubuntu.com [11:58] scott_ev: thanks in advance for the feedback ;) [11:59] not a problem, it might take me 30 min as I'm not very awake [12:02] Tonio_: would you email your ppa to j dot scott dot gwin at gmail dot com, please? [12:02] and the other info you gave me [12:02] yup [12:04] thx [12:05] scott_ev: done [12:06] scott_ev: just wait about an hour to try please, I need k3B to be built first [12:06] Tonio_: sure [12:07] I'll be here all day if we have to do this more than once. I may be out for 2 hours around 1pm -7UTC [12:08] scott_ev: well I hope it works the very first time :) if not I'll to track the issue and patch this WE... [12:08] JontheEchidna: ScottK: Tonio_: just talked to dfaure who told me Konqueror crashes in startup in 4.2.1 on kubuntu [12:08] i can confirm that on intrepid [12:08] Yeah, Riddell's patch is most likely causing it [12:09] But I have been puking and nobody else seems to care [12:09] Nightrose: grmpf..... that sucks [12:09] :/ [12:09] ScottK: anyone already reported this ? (and no we'll not rediscuss yesterday's point ^^) [12:10] Nightrose: I have no way to reproduce, since no intrepid installed here.... [12:10] it crashes in jaunty too [12:10] konqueror & -> crasj [12:10] JontheEchidna: yeah but that's no big deal, that's jaunty :) [12:10] kubotu: bug 186233 [12:10] Launchpad bug 186233 in xubuntu-meta "xubuntu menus accumulate kubuntu items" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186233 [12:11] ehmm [12:11] JontheEchidna: one thing we may consider is when pushing a new kde to stable+1, wait one week for feedback before pushing the backports [12:11] JontheEchidna: wouldn't that make sense ? [12:11] Yeah [12:11] JontheEchidna: Tonio_: in kde bugreport 186233 dfaure explains why it crashes [12:11] rgreening: ^ [12:12] JontheEchidna: I won't rediscuss the long thread with ScottK yesterday, but I'm concerned not by the fact of backporting kde, but with the process... [12:12] * JontheEchidna investigates [12:12] Nightrose: having a look [12:12] thx Tonio_ :) [12:12] thx JontheEchidna [12:13] * Nightrose hands JontheEchidna a hot cup of tea and sends him back to bed [12:13] :) [12:13] Nightrose: I can drop the patch for kdebase on jaunty [12:13] JontheEchidna: would you do that for intrepid ? [12:14] sure [12:14] JontheEchidna: better drop the patch I guess... [12:14] I know that there was a commit to kubuntu-default-settings setting the default seach engine [12:14] rgreening: no problem with getting it droped ? [12:14] which means it definitely wouldn't work on intrepid [12:15] JontheEchidna: in any case that's bad [12:15] JontheEchidna: we have people using kde without kds installed [12:15] JontheEchidna: and that will crash for them [12:15] yeah, I have kubuntu-default-settings and it crashes for me too :/ [12:16] disabling it for now would be best [12:16] patching and let settings in kds so that it won't crash is not a good way to do things I guess... [12:16] JontheEchidna: let's drop the patch for now, and I'll ping rgreening [12:17] JontheEchidna: yeah let's just don't apply the patch and keep it in :) [12:17] well, maybe not for backports [12:17] yup [12:17] for the intrepid backports it'd make sense to just delete it since I don't see it being reapplyed soon [12:17] also, I'm concerned by the fact it is not the first time kde devs to complain about some of our patches... [12:19] JontheEchidna: maybe we can patch the patch in fact [12:20] JontheEchidna: the problem is that it can become empty... [12:20] JontheEchidna: I can simply test the value and if empty set it to google [12:20] I'm not too great of an expert w/ C++.... [12:20] JontheEchidna: bah I know how to patch this [12:20] hehe [12:21] JontheEchidna: I can send you a fixed patch so that you can test [12:21] well I'll just remove it from intrepid cuz we need something special for jaunty over intrepid ;-) [12:21] JontheEchidna: as you wish ;) === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin [12:38] are you guys aware that 4.2.1 konqi crashes? [12:38] tsdgeos: jep - already being fixed [12:38] ok [12:39] going back to my cave [12:39] thanks gal [12:39] ;-) [12:39] Nightrose: I just uploaded a fixed patch for jaunty [12:39] great [12:39] the intrepid packages are building sans the patch [12:39] Nightrose: and JontheEchidna should upload with a droped patch for intrepid... [12:40] yup :) [12:40] yay! [12:40] * Tonio_ looks at ScottK [12:40] ScottK: now you unerstand what I meant, and that it has never been against you :) that's a process issue !! [12:41] bah, where'd kde4bindings go in the ppa? [12:41] rejected?! [12:42] The source kde4bindings - 4:4.2.1-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1 is already accepted in ubuntu/intrepid and you cannot upload the same version within the same distribution. You have to modify the source version and re-upload. [12:42] Not that I saw :/ [12:42] JontheEchidna: hum.... partially uploaded maybe ? [12:42] that' happended to me once ;) [12:43] maybe [12:43] I feel better today, but yesterday I was majorly zoning [12:44] I only have a little bit of a stomach ache today [12:45] Tonio_: I didn't receive that email yet, you sent it, right? [12:45] scott_ev: yup [12:45] hmm j.scott.gwin@gmail [12:46] .com [12:47] scott_ev: ah ); [12:47] scott_ev: then another person will receive it :) I missed the first j. [12:47] cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp//usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/dolphin/bookmarkbutton.png': No such file or directory [12:48] meh [12:48] JontheEchidna: s/kde4/kde ? [12:48] JontheEchidna: the docpath changed afaik [12:48] it was kde4 in intrepid and changed to kde in jaunty [12:48] Tonio_: oh well, looks like I got it now [12:49] JontheEchidna: you may have to sed -i s/doc [12:49] JontheEchidna: you may have to sed -i s/doc\/kde4/doc\/kde/ debian/*install [12:49] kde4 is correct [12:49] plus I based this off the already-built intrepid backport in kubuntu-experimental [12:49] JontheEchidna: ah.... hen the change is only for jaunty ? [12:50] Yes, it was changed to plain old kde in jaunty so that kde3 docs could be read in khelpcenter [12:50] kk [12:50] when it was kde4 khelpcenter would only look for kde4 docs and the kde3 ones in doc/kde/ were always "missing" [12:50] makes sense indeed [12:51] has it been built yet so I can test this patch, Tonio_ ? [12:51] oh [12:51] scott_ev: nope, the patch is wrong :) trueg confirmed it to me, I just uploaded another one [12:52] it failed on the first upload in the first place [12:52] no wonder [12:52] ah [12:52] scott_ev: as I said there is no emergency, so maybe you could test toonight ? [12:52] scott_ev: I'll work a bit on it today [12:52] oh, sure [12:52] nevermind, that was kdeartwork [12:52] scott_ev: thanks :) [12:54] Tonio_: np, this what I'm hanging around for. I'll do the same for anyone. Just email me or message me. I always keep a presence here, but roam alot. [12:57] oh, I uploaded it to jaunty [12:57] * JontheEchidna facepalms [12:58] JontheEchidna: dput can be dangerous sometimes :) [12:58] not to jaunty/main [12:58] jaunty/kubuntu-experimental [12:58] JontheEchidna: ah oki ;) [12:59] JontheEchidna: dch can be dangerous sometimes :) [12:59] my default dput target is bob [12:59] ;) [13:00] default_host_main = bob [13:00] * JontheEchidna stole that from ScottK [13:02] Tonio_: I'd say this is why we test backports before we put them in the official repo. [13:02] ScottK: which makes sense :) [13:02] ScottK: I forgot it was experimental :) [13:03] ScottK: on that point, I agree with you that people shouldn't complain when getting issues in experimental :) [13:03] ScottK: but once again the problem is due to bad communication in the jaunty/intrepid transition... [13:04] ScottK: some jaunty patches can have weird effects when backported... and that's pretty difficult to handle... [13:04] I think its more about people not thinking about that kind of stuff unless it causes FTBFS [13:05] sorry, what's FTBFS [13:05] Fail(s/ed) to build from source [13:05] ah, thx [13:05] yup, no problem [13:06] Currently if we have stuff that works in Experimental in Intrepid, but not in Jaunty, then I think look at Qt 4.5. If it doesn't work in both, look at KDE 4.2.1.... [13:09] ScottK: I've noticed a few issues which seem due to qt4.5 right now, like redraw problems... [13:14] Oh, there's also a bug where kio slaves can't open unicode stuff w/ Qt 4.5 final [13:14] there's a patch we need to apply for jaunty [13:15] JontheEchidna: I can probably sponsor some stuff today to get things fixed up, but not much more. [13:15] kde bug 186038 [13:15] KDE bug 186038 in file "Programs cannot be called on paths containing non-ascii utf8 characters" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=186038 [13:18] Apparently we weren't suppoed to release KDE 4.2.1 with Qt 4.5 final, lol [13:18] Though you can't really blame 'em for the bug I guess [13:19] since 4.5 final came out the day before 4.2.1 did [13:19] JontheEchidna: was anything copied from the ppa to jaunty, or was everything rebuild? [13:20] a|wen: it had to be rebuilt, apparently you can't copy from private to public repos [13:20] oh, okay [13:21] pretty amazing that everything built on qt4.5 without any problems [13:21] * JontheEchidna tests his new bugfix'd kdebase-workspace package [13:21] Qt is pretty good about maintaining binary/API compatibility [13:22] yeah, i think you're right [13:23] What would really amaze me would be if KDE worked without any regressions :P [13:23] though plasma seems to work perfectly with Qt 4.5.0 except for the cashew, which has minor glitches [13:24] and that has been disproven already i believe ;) [13:24] disproven? [13:24] I cleared my pixmap cache and all the plasma graphical glitches I had disappeared except for that [13:24] haven't we seen some regressions already? [13:24] in Plasma? [13:25] With RC1 it had several glitches. Folderview and looked awful and some svg elements had 1-pixel gaps in them [13:26] But after the update to 4.5.0 and clearing your plasma pixmap cache most of those should be gone [13:26] okay, that is indeed amazing [13:27] rm /var/tmp/kdecache-USERNAME/kpc/plasma* [13:28] * a|wen considers if it is time to upgrade to jaunty ... or just try out qt4.5 in intrepid [13:30] JontheEchidna: need me to upload the ioslaves fix ? [13:31] I haven't committed it to bzr or anything, but it'd be nice if you could apply the patch and upload it [13:31] Also it'd be nice if a core-dev could sponsor the latest bzr for kdebase-workspace: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu [13:32] JontheEchidna: I can't seem to reproduce, btw... [13:32] Tonio_: the testcase in the kde bug is somewhat flawed [13:32] you have to try to save the file or something [13:32] JontheEchidna: k [13:33] then it freaks [13:33] JontheEchidna: well you're testing the fix right ? ping me when into bzr to that I can upload :) [13:33] * Tonio_ uploading kdebase-workspace [13:33] Nope, I haven't touched the ioslave fix [13:34] by the time David closed it I was on the road to pukesville [13:34] JontheEchidna: ok I'll do both then ;) [13:34] thx :) [13:35] JontheEchidna: 4.2.1a ? [13:35] Yeah, there was a tarball change [13:35] before we released 4.2.1 to jaunty at all [13:35] we had the opportunity to change it back to 4.2.1 but Riddell never did [13:35] not a big deal though [13:37] I have testbuilt this in the kubuntu-experimental PPA (jaunty, of course) [13:37] oki ;) [13:38] JontheEchidna: I trust you so I won't re-test [13:40] By the way, have you been able to report any bugs at bugs.kde.org for network manager? It always fails with an internal error for me [13:40] the plasmoid ? [13:40] yeah [13:40] would that be the best way to report problems with it anyhow? [13:40] hum... weird... never eard about an issue with it... [13:41] JontheEchidna: I guess email upstream if not on kde bts... [13:41] JontheEchidna: or ping sebas :) [13:41] I was wanting to forward bug 336190 [13:41] Launchpad bug 336190 in plasma-widget-network-manager "Wireless network are hidden by the bar" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/336190 [13:50] btw I migrated some wishlist items from knetworkmanager over to plasma-widget-network-manager [13:51] Ones that have upstream bugs for KDE4 or are in the todo file [13:53] JontheEchidna: both fixes uploaded, thanks for pinging me for this :) [13:54] Tonio_: you're welcome [13:54] JontheEchidna: yeah I've seen that sometimes... [13:56] lol: http://xkcd.com/552/ [14:10] vorian: My word. [14:11] vorian: Where did you get all that karma from? [14:11] Riddell: Hey, how's Nigeria? [14:11] vorian: Oh, that rosetta bug.. [14:14] jpds: lovely thanks! [14:26] Riddell: Aren't you traveling to Nigeria? [14:26] hi Riddell, rickspencer3 [14:27] rickspencer3: i beleive he is already there [14:27] hi Tonio_ [14:27] so Traveling "in" Nigeria, then :) [14:27] and hi seele too [14:27] rickspencer3: btw, who is david siegel? [14:27] * seele waves to Tonio_ [14:28] Riddell: hope you appreciate the trip :) [14:29] davidbarth: do you know who seele is asking about ^^^? [14:55] jpds: yeah, crappy eh? [14:55] i got over 13,000 emails yesterday from rosetta, and about 4 or 5k this morning before #lp helped me out [14:56] seele: I think he's the GNOME Do guy. [14:56] vorian: Harsh. [14:56] yus [14:56] do? [14:57] doesn't david siegel do the animated shorts on SNL? [14:57] * vorian is confused [14:57] jpds: No. It's a feature because it's always good to let people know stuff. [14:57] seele: https://edge.launchpad.net/~djsiegel [14:57] jpds: ah [15:02] vorian: mornin, guy [15:14] JontheEchidna: Did you see http://www.freehackers.org/thomas/2009/03/06/updating-to-kde-421-delete-your-plasma-files-again/ [15:16] Yeah, although I can't say I can reproduce any of his issues [15:18] OK. [15:19] Oh, maybe lancelot is a bit cpu-hoggy when in use [15:20] Hi\ [15:22] Why installing Google Gadgets is not available? [15:22] bug 314778 [15:22] Launchpad bug 314778 in google-gadgets "Main inclusion for Google Gadgets" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/314778 [15:25] It wasn't able to make it into main, and we can't compile kdebase-workspace against stuff that's in universe [15:26] and nobody's had the time to mutilate the plasma plugin into its own package [15:33] JontheEchidna: that's probably something we have to keep in mind for karmic... [15:35] JontheEchidna: have you uploaded in kubuntu-experimental for the konsole/yakuake bug ? [15:35] JontheEchidna: upstream is asking if the fix is only for jaunty.... [15:36] which bug was that again? [15:37] JontheEchidna: KDE bug #171544 [15:37] KDE bug 171544 in general "Invisible terminal - Manual split terminal don't show up" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171544 [15:38] JontheEchidna: I have the patch in jaunty package, so if anyone is willing to put the patch for kdebase in experimental/intrepid, that would be nice :) [15:38] I could do that [15:38] JontheEchidna: thanks :) [15:38] nixternal was also talking about a patch, is that related? [15:39] nixternal: I think it's this one :) [15:39] oh, yeah that is the one [15:40] JontheEchidna: you probably can just backup the latest kdebase [15:40] JontheEchidna: it should fix the konqueror crash too [15:40] s/backup/backport [15:41] yeah, I probably could [15:44] hmm... bug 320028 [15:44] Launchpad bug 320028 in plasma-widget-network-manager "main inclusion report for plasmoid-network-manager" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/320028 [15:44] Looking at the libs/ dir in svn it doesn't look like its fixed yet [15:46] actually it doesn't look like it's been touched that much recently at all [15:53] JontheEchidna: we can ping sebas about this issue [15:56] how can you turn off auto-desktop locking? screen locking? [15:57] Sime: 2 places to do that : screensaver settings, and powermanagement [15:57] Tonio_: I've got both turned off. [15:57] Sime: the battery monitor plasmoid also can lock the laptop :) [15:58] Sime: check out the profiles and change those settings [15:58] it is not runnig [15:58] JontheEchidna: I must say I don't get the current issue for plasma-widget-nw [15:58] Sime: hum.... the daemon might be running [15:58] Sime: install the applet and have a look :) [15:59] what is the kblankscrn.kss process? [15:59] JontheEchidna: I can patch to move them into /usr/lib/kde4, anyway [15:59] Sime: dunno... [16:00] it's dead now. :) [16:04] Tonio_: if auto-desktop locking uses N different vars, it's a bug in N-1 apps ;) [16:04] allee: :) [16:08] JontheEchidna: for the NM applet, there are 2 ways to do.... split out the package or patch to move the files... [16:08] JontheEchidna: I'll ping Riddell about that... [16:14] Tonio_: that's the one [16:15] it works fine, I have already tested it here [16:15] Sime: that's the screensaver process === quassel251__ is now known as jussi01 [16:38] So I begged for some help on fixing the Qt 4.5 ICE on Power PC at the release team meeting. Action was assigned. So perhaps there's still hope for that arch. === ubott2 is now known as ubottu [16:52] ScottK: regarding regina-normal ... it is one of the python math-tests (triangulation) that fails; so most likely due to the python transition [16:52] Lovely. [16:52] Could you ping upstream and see if they have a solution? [16:53] Since it's an application, not a module we can pin it to 2.5 if needed, but there's no guarantee all needed modules will be availalbe for 2.5, so that's not ideal. [16:53] a|wen: Thanks for looking into it. [16:55] ScottK: i'll try pin-pointing a solution [17:01] or alternatively it could also be due to the boost transition [17:01] If we have to drop the boost bit, it's not critical as there are others that are problematic. [17:02] Ideally I'd like to push boost out of the archive, but it's going to take some work. [17:02] i'll try to change boost / python back respectively and see if any of that helps us [17:15] ScottK: That one dude is like a broken record about a KDE HIG all over the internet [17:15] Yeah. [17:15] I'm not going to approve any more KDE HIG comments from him. [17:15] He thinks that all software must suck unless it follows an almighty HIG [17:16] hehe who? [17:16] Some guy named Vladim P. [17:16] ah [17:16] http://www.kitterman.org/ScottK/2009/03/open_source_usability_success.html === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [17:17] http://weblog.obso1337.org/2008/kde-updates-more-like-a-todo-list/ [17:18] Last time he did this on my blog it seemed like it was particularly pointed at seele because he thinks she's failed to deliver something she owes the community. [17:18] Yeah, same on seele's blog [17:18] numerous times [17:20] Fortunately check, delete is easy enough. [17:21] * Nightrose is always amazed how some people can keep on talkign about one thing everywhere again and again [17:22] you'd think it gets boring at one point or that they get other things to talk about... [17:22] If I were seele, I'd just say patches welcome and leave it at that. [17:25] should we consider some sort of kde4.2.1 announcement at some point? [17:26] Probably. Is it patched up enough to be announcable? [17:26] can one enable PAE on 32 bit kubuntu to see more than 3GB RAM? [17:27] ScottK: do we have any reports of problems / conflicts we've missed? ... i upgraded without any problems [17:27] * ScottK hasn't been tracking it. [17:27] I think there are still several modules not built for amd64 on jaunty [17:27] It seems some people had some plasma issues too. [17:27] Yes. [17:27] but the ppa backports are looking mostly ok except for kdeartwork [17:28] And admin [17:28] Nevermind. PPA U/I is borked [17:28] wasn't the plasma-problems on jaunty due to qt4.5 mostly? [17:29] my father upgraded this morning, he got kdeplasma-addons removed [17:29] not cool :p [17:29] especially since after reinstalling I had to manually edit the plasma config file to put back the plugin names in the right places [17:30] smarter: amd64? [17:30] yup [17:30] Not built for 4.2.1 yet [17:30] I reinstalled it, and it works [17:30] hmm, apt hangs on: [17:30] haven't checked if it was 4.2.1 [17:30] Removing libgnome-keyring1.0-cil from Mono [17:30] * smarter doesn't get why people are still using 32bits [17:31] smarter: No uninstallability due to archive skew is a good start. [17:31] * ScottK doesn't know what 64 bit does that he cares about. [17:31] it's faster :P [17:32]