[00:22] Scratch that. Starting fresh from "apt-get source ..." and running debuild seems to be working. I must have horked it somehow while trying to enable debugging. [07:12] does anybody here have experience with ati cards and backlight setting? [08:18] bryce: I think the libdrm changes are ready for upload. I've added the LP foo to the changelog, pushed to git again. [08:36] RAOF: ok, I can take care of it [08:36] Thanks. [08:36] superm1: 529d1d720 made it in 7.4 [08:37] tjaalton, spectacular. i sent an email to that ML and when i got turned away to that vmware guy's email. so sounds like he made it happen :) [08:37] superm1: your email got through to the list today :) [08:50] building mesa 7.4 now, and if it's ok I'll upload it to my ppa [08:50] and file a FFe for it [10:01] ok, mesa is building now https://edge.launchpad.net/~tjaalton/+archive/ppa [17:08] tjaalton: let me know the bug id for the FFe so I can help push it through [17:14] bryce: low-priority, but do you know what's up with bug 351076? They all provide xserver-xorg-video-2.1 which xserver-xorg-core lists as a conflict; are they incompatible and should be removed, or is there some other fix/update that needs to happen? [17:14] Launchpad bug 351076 in xserver-xorg-input-void "Package xserver-xorg-input-aiptek does not install (Januty beta)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/351076 [17:19] sbeattie: there are a few input drivers that won't build against xserver 1.6. on my list of things to fix.. [17:19] bryce: it doesn't exist yet :) [17:19] tjaalton: ok. [17:20] actually I think I ran across a "please upgrade to mesa 7.4" bug we could probably reuse [17:20] yeah [17:20] sbeattie: what timo said :-) I can confirm I was able to reproduce the problem. [17:22] i was hoping to just sync them from debian, but it might take a week or two until 1.6 is in unstable [17:22] only a handful of drivers are updated against it in experimental [17:23] there are maybe six drivers to fix [17:26] okay, I just wanted to make sure you guys were on top of it; I dislike having uninstallable packages in the archive. [17:27] the archive rebuild was a great reminder ;) [17:30] this is so weird, the guy who sites next to me just upgraded to jaunty, he also has a 965 and his is smooth as in Intrepid. I downgraded from xorg-edgers to jaunty packages and mine is back to being highly affected by CPU. our Xorg.0.logs are very similar [17:30] could something like mtrr be at fault I wonder? [17:31] * Ng never been entirely sure how to check the sanity of mtrrs [17:48] tjaalton: hmm, a week or two might cut things a bit close; what needs done to update them specifically? Just packaging stuff or does it need code changes as well? [17:51] tjaalton: if you can prep them in git i could upload to experimental probably. [17:51] no time to do it myself this week though [17:51] bryce: new upstream versions, likely [17:54] jcristau: ok, I'll have a look tomorrow [18:08] tjaalton: do you happen to know how .pot files get added to xkeyboard-config? (bug 349341) [18:09] Launchpad bug 349341 in xkeyboard-config "launchpad xkeyboard-config .pot is obsolete: 1.4 whereas binary is 1.5" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/349341 [18:09] tjaalton: it seems once in the past there was a .pot file included, but the packaging doesn't seem to produce it [18:13] UXA doesn't seem to help either, which is interesting [18:13] the only thing that seems to help is flipping up to the edgers packages, but that brings occasional X hangs, and more frequent segfaults on resume [18:16] bryce: don't remember off-hand, but + can check once I get home [18:17] ok thanks [18:18] Ng: now is a good chance to try mesa 7.4 from my ppa ;) [18:19] tjaalton: sure, I'll downgrade to jaunty -intel stuff again [18:21] tjaalton: in your personal ppa? [18:21] Ng: yep [18:22] ok, installed, rebootin' [18:26] tjaalton: well it doesn't seem to have improved things, but it hasn't made them any worse :) [18:29] Ng: eexcellent :) [18:30] is the new mesa so we can sneak in a newer -intel? ;) [18:32] a cunning plan, you say? :) [18:32] I have a sticky tail and a "Fox" name badge for such a plan ;) [18:35] Ng: sort of late in the process to be upping -intel... the mesa update is mainly for bug fixes [18:36] yeah :) [19:21] tjaalton, at some point were you looking into pulling the patch referred to in http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjYwMw into ubuntu? it certainly would make the things jockey has to do less necessary and great from a user perspective [19:24] superm1: yes I was [19:25] tjaalton, what happened with it? [19:25] doesn't work if you have an xorg.conf [19:25] so we'd need to not ship one first [19:26] but it's still an improvement over the current situation then no? [19:26] loading with nv > failing to load because nvidia doesn't work [19:26] so no [19:27] oh it totally fails if no xorg.conf is around [19:27] different codepath [19:27] um [19:28] FatalError("no screens found"); -> unhappy user :) [19:28] I mean, it doesn't work if there _is_ an xorg.conf [19:28] so is the failure coming from extra checks going on in the NV driver or in X libraries? [19:31] I'm not sure what jcristau meant, but yes there are issues :) [19:31] it's something like that: if (no xorg.conf) { make a list of possible drivers; for each one, if its preinit works, break, happiness, if not try the next one } else { find the first candidate; if its preinit fails, fatalerror } [19:32] so why the logic to fail if the first candidate doesn't work when there is an xorg.conf? is there a good reason for that? [19:32] (there's no good reason for it to work like that, but nobody's fixed it, so..) [19:32] ah, right :) [19:33] ah [19:33] anyway, a couple of episodes of "my name is earl" now.. -> [19:33] tjaalton, b4 you run, do you have the commit handy? i'd like to play around with it a bit when i get some time [19:34] superm1: 66fb2530 [19:34] thanks jcristau [19:34] np [20:37] bryce: I figured as much ;( [20:41] Ng: if you know of specific patches/fixes that should be backported, I'd be game [20:45] bryce: I don't suppose there are any magic tools that'll help me build the driver between whatever is in jaunty and current git? [20:48] sort of a wip but there is scripts in xorg-pkg-tools that does it [20:49] Ng: but basically apt-get build-dep xserver-xorg-video-intel, grab the git snapshot, autogen.sh, copy over the debian directory, and debuild to get a deb as usual [20:50] assuming you want to keep everything maintained by the packager; if you don't care, build/install from git should work too, although there may be some ./configure differences [20:53] bryce: I'll see what I can turn up. I guess a good initial thing would be to just diff the sources, but my guess is there will be a fair number of changes [20:59] Ng: indeed. git log and git show can be helpful [21:12] bryce: 'cd po; make xkeyboard-config.pot' would generate the potfile [21:12] tjaalton: mm, ok, any reason not to make the package do that automatically? [21:13] Subject: Announcing the Next Ubuntu Hug Day! - April 02 2009 [21:13] This week's HugDay target is *drum roll please* xorg-server and xserver-xorg-video-intel! [21:13] * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090402 [21:13] bryce: I guess the build has changed [21:14] it looks like the pot file is not usually needed for the build, and isn't shipped in the upstream tarball. [21:18] yeah, so I'm not sure how launchpad wants it.. [21:21] bryce: that's going to be a busy session ;) [21:21] hope so