[00:06] Someone could look at kdenetwork and figure out what to do about libortp-dev being in Universe. [00:06] off to cook dinner. [00:07] JontheEchidna: I don't understand...I change some symbols files, yes, but my package is already in archive lol [00:07] *changed [00:07] Lex79: but are bzr and the archive in sync? [00:07] looking [00:09] JontheEchidna: seems not [00:39] kdeartwork is funny, JontheEchidna are you going to fix the mess in bzr for kdelibs? [00:45] Lex79: Please clean it up then. [00:45] I'm doing [00:45] Great. [00:45] ever [00:45] :P [00:49] ScottK: uhm, bzr is sync with archive + Jon changes, no changes in symbol file http://pastebin.ca/1706275 [00:49] Lex79: Odd. Maybe I had on old one from the PPA. [00:49] * ScottK tries again. [00:49] Thanks for looking. [00:49] no problem [00:50] the package in ppa have different symbol files due to different version of the package (~ppaX) [00:54] Lex79: My fault. I still had ninja PPA in my sources and it had 4.3.80a, so it got pulled [00:54] Thanks again. [00:54] ScottK: its up? [00:54] Getting there [00:54] kk [00:55] just got hm. its a flipping zoo down here [00:55] Lex79 and JontheEchidna: All better now. [00:56] yay, kdebase-runtime built [00:57] \o/ [00:57] DarkwingDuck: Poop from the ceiling ? [00:58] The depwait stuff is fixed for now, so stuff should try to build on their own once it's published [00:59] JontheEchidna: Uploaded. [00:59] \o/ [00:59] JontheEchidna: I think it's just edu and artwork now. [01:00] * ScottK goes off to dinner. [01:01] im in SoCal... 3 inches of rain today... 240 car crashes today alone [01:22] JontheEchidna: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/36555435/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-amd64.libattica_0.1.0~svn1055247-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [01:23] libattica ftbs in staging due to dh --with kde clean, dh: unable to load addon kde [01:23] switching to kde.mk like other stuff from karmic should be very easy (and also fix it) [01:24] ok [01:25] JontheEchidna: this? include /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/1/debian-qt-kde.mk [01:25] nope [01:25] find kde.mk karmic [01:25] !find kde.mk karmic [01:25] :P [01:25] Found: language-pack-kde-mk, language-pack-kde-mk-base [01:26] hmm [01:26] lol [01:26] JontheEchidna: cdbs? [01:26] /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/makefiles/1/cdbs/kde.mk [01:26] /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/makefiles/1/cdbs/kde.mk [01:26] yes! [01:26] perfect [01:26] !info kde [01:26] Package kde does not exist in karmic [01:27] !info kubuntu-desktop [01:27] kubuntu-desktop (source: kubuntu-meta): Kubuntu desktop system. In component main, is optional. Version 1.154 (karmic), package size 23 kB, installed size 52 kB [01:27] That's what I thought [01:37] after 10 uploads, I'm beginning to hate kdeartwork [01:38] ;-) [01:39] but it's so puuuurty [01:40] :) [01:41] is lucid in shams right now? [01:42] Lex79: what's up with KDE-pim ? [01:43] Not for pre-alpha 1, no. [01:47] kdepim is not in archive yet [01:48] Ok just checking [01:49] All kde apps seem to be stuck in a loop searching for localization information [01:50] strace shows it trying to read things over and over again from /usr/share/locale [01:50] Riddell is i10n ? [01:50] ok [01:50] btw about kdepim, we should remove from the archive Bilbo, now is Blogilo and is part of kdepim [01:50] * Daskreech announces Minion [01:51] JontheEchidna: Would you like a new minion ? [01:51] anyone have that link for the ubuntu packaging guide? [01:51] maybe this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete [01:52] that will take some time to read :-P [01:52] eheh :) [01:52] :-D [01:53] Daskreech: or this http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ :P [01:54] and im too tired to do it now, tomorrow 02.53 am here [01:54] nicklas_: No problem. Bookmarks Rock! [01:59] oh kdeartwork built \o/ [02:00] whoot now will it upload? [02:00] error: filesystem full [02:00] lol [02:10] ScottK: kdeartwork is done, I pushed to bzr [02:10] 'night [02:13] Lex79: Thanks [02:14] um.. ScottK? [02:14] What? [02:14] My netbook is possessed I swear [02:15] I updated... [02:15] It boots into a terminal login [02:15] once I login I start kdm [02:15] If you'd asked me, I'd have suggested waiting until Wed. [02:16] We'll be in the middle of the freeze for Alpha 1 and it should be reasonably stable at that point. [02:16] Not it's stuck in a never ending loop of login screens [02:16] can we build packages from bzr repos yet :) ? [02:17] I don't think so [02:17] sadness [02:17] DarkwingDuck: What happens if you startx instead of starting kdm directly? [02:19] I'll try then when I get back upstairs [02:38] ScottK: startx loads it right up... However, no mouse anymore. [02:39] KnetworkManager crashes [02:39] Progress. [02:39] Yeah, I finally have a workspace again! :D [02:40] Now, what is the command line for auto-reconfigure a mouse... [02:43] hmmm, my wireless card isn't working either... [02:43] and my sound card crashed [02:43] weeeeee [02:43] bleh, KDE is without a doubt busted [02:44] are you running lucid DarkwingDuck? [02:44] luckily I planned ahead this time and installed xfce and gdm beforehand ;-) [02:44] jjesse: yes [02:45] I knew this was going to happen so, I wasn't planning on using my netbook till Camp-KDE [02:45] DarkwingDuck, how goes your kde upgrade? [02:45] maco: Any word on edu? [02:46] ScottK: ive been in class since you last asked [02:46] maco: OK. [02:46] ScottK: and now im going home to work on a final project i have to present tomorrow [02:46] JontheEchidna: I have one work for the upgrade... Ouch [02:46] work=word [02:46] maco: Please upload what you have to the ninja PPA then so someone else can have a look. [02:46] i dont know where to find apachelogger's hooks to let me figure out what happened in pbuilder, so im kinda stuck anyway at the moment [02:46] what happens when you startx? [02:47] startx loads into workspace without wireless, sound or mouth [02:47] th/se [02:47] ouch, but plasma and friends run? [02:47] mouth=mouse [02:47] yeah, it runs ish [02:47] DarkwingDuck: of course. You haven't run kdeinit probably [02:47] hmm... I just get the rotating cursor across a black screen of doom [02:48] ddoooooooooooooom [02:48] I'm trying to remember how to reconfigure my mouse from terminal [02:48] kdostartupconfig4 hangs at 100% cpu indefinitely [02:48] and starting any KDE app from xfce causes it to take up 100% cpu, much as it did before the restart [02:49] What the heck you guys do last night? [02:49] :P:P [02:49] Uploaded a beta release of a major KDE version. [02:49] the thing is, 4.4 beta worked for me at first [02:49] ahhhh so this is KDE 4.4B fault? [02:49] It would be suprising if it were smooth [02:50] Oh I know [02:50] I have the *net working via a wire [02:52] ScottK: ok uploaded to ppa in a non-building state with -0ubuntu0~maco1 for version so it doesnt interfere when -0ubuntu1 is figured out [02:52] maco: Thanks. [02:54] ohhhhh... an error when sudo apt-get upgrade.... "Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdepim;ibs-data_4%3a4.3.80-0ubuntu1_all.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" <---- Any ideas? [02:54] * Daskreech chuckles [02:54] Is that a copy and paste? [02:55] nawww... [02:55] seperate systems. I tagged that [02:55] read and type [02:55] ok [02:55] Would be amusing if someone uploaded a package with ; for a l [02:55] oops, typo on the package [02:55] DarkwingDuck: Already uploaded kdepimlibs to fix that [02:56] ahhhh, when is that available for download? [02:57] * JontheEchidna is stuck with xchat and xterm and misses konversation and konsole :( [02:57] Im a fan of quassel actually [02:58] xchat? *gags* [02:58] JontheEchidna: ha I went for two weeks with no X once when some packages broke X [02:59] DarkwingDuck: kdepimlibs updates should be available now [02:59] Yeah, it's crashing each time [02:59] Ill try to update again before I upgrade *sigh* [03:00] sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdepimlibs-data_4%3a4.3.80-0ubuntu1_all.deb will get your packaging system in a usable state again [03:00] artwork uploading [03:01] woah... [03:02] click click boom... [03:02] good boom? bad boom? [03:02] Unknown media types [03:02] That's the only error it turned back... [03:03] ohhhhhhhhhh working... [03:04] YAY! [03:04] Okay, lemme try a reboot and see what happens [03:05] * JontheEchidna predicts spinning cursor of doom [03:05] quilt push 0070-dont-bail-on-sound-class-modem-devs.patch [03:06] gah, sorry [03:06] GAHHHHHHHHH [03:07] ROFLMAO!!!! [03:08] Okay, no spinning curser of doom... [03:08] that's good [03:08] believe it or not I'm back to the first error [03:09] I login, it kicks me back to the login screen, I login a second time and it crashes [03:10] artwork is up. Is edu the last one we're missing? [03:10] I have no workspace but, wireless, mouse and sound is back [03:10] ScottK: back to the first problem again LOL [03:31] * nixternal waits to update :) [03:31] let me know when it is safe [03:33] LOL hey nixternal [03:33] BUT WHY... *sigh* [03:35] safe [03:35] lol [03:35] why why why [03:35] Why does it require me to login twice?? [03:36] and thus, cause plasma-netbook and KDE daemon to crash? [03:36] *sigh* [03:37] AND plasma desktop? === jjesse___ is now known as jjesse [03:38] DarkwingDuck: can you rename /usr/lib/kde4/solid_hal_power.so and see if it still crahes? [03:39] Note to self: Do NOT try to stop dbus inside the chroot "because it will help the new dbus to configure". [03:40] It did what I wanted (dbus configured), but I forgot stopping dbus was stopping dbus. [03:40] yofel: rebooting now. [03:42] yofel: That worked!! [03:42] DarkwingDuck: DanaG posted that workaround in #ubuntu+1 yesterday (I had the same crashes on amd64) [03:43] now why does that make it crash... [03:43] * DarkwingDuck buys yofel a couple of kegs [03:43] At least we know where it is... However, it still required me to log in twice [03:43] yofel: Reported bugs to bugs.kde.org? [03:44] If not, I will.... [03:44] not yet, was too busy [03:44] hey, whats up with 4.3.4? text editors are bombing -> "A KDE text-editor component could not be found. Please check your KDE installation." [03:44] You want to report it yofel or, should I do it? [03:45] DarkwingDuck: can you do it please, I can't do it before tomorrow (and give me the bug number) [03:45] nixternal: Please file a bug on project kubuntu-ppa [03:45] Yeah, not a problem yofel. I'll get it as soon as I go smoke. [03:58] ScottK: It would fall under snapshot/SVN right? [03:58] DarkwingDuck: Unless 4.3.80 is a choice [03:58] Nope. 4.3.4 [04:00] Say in the text of the bug it's 4.3..80 [04:05] kk [04:08] ScottK, yofel: Bug reported... https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=217816 [04:08] KDE bug 217816 in plasma-netbook "KDE Daemon and plasma-netbook crashed on startup" [Crash,Unconfirmed] [04:11] * DarkwingDuck wonders why he has 48 blocked updates [04:13] DarkwingDuck: apt-get dist-ugprade [04:15] oooohhhhh 184 MEGS of updates [04:21] * DarkwingDuck holds breath and reboots [04:22] As long as my netbook works for capm-kde I'm all up for testing :D [04:23] GAHHHHHH!!!!! *sigh* [04:23] Nice little box... "Could not start kdeinit4. Check your installation" [04:28] broken again ScottK [04:28] :D [04:29] Remember the part where I suggested waiting until the middle of the Alpha 1 freeze (like on Wed) to do any upgrades? [04:29] LOL [04:29] * ScottK wasn't kidding. [04:29] Yeah, wayyyy broken [04:32] okay, wednesday then? LOL === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [04:54] nixternal: We have every spot filled on the Wiki ToDo list!! [04:55] nixternal: Maybe one of us should send out an email requesting at least a rough draft up and out be end of year? [04:57] DarkwingDuck: go for it :) [04:58] * nixternal is busy with trunk builds [04:58] nixternal: Okay, i'll get it out tonight [05:49] Lex79: ping [05:50] Lex79: pkg-kde-tools dep in karmic backports needs fixing [05:56] Nightrose: for the junior-jobs do they have to be code related? I am sure I can come up with 100 junior-jobs for documentation :) [08:12] ehlo :) [08:57] hm, why do we still ship an outdated libmtp8? it's 0.3.7, 1.0.1 is out since August, 1.0.1 is released since a few weeks [09:02] nixternal: i have no problem with you filing documentation JJs and then pointing people there ;-) [09:02] go for it [09:22] uhmmm [09:22] * Nightrose hopes vorian isn't serious with that facebook invite === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [10:56] rgreening: fixed, thanks [11:12] maco: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/BuildEnvironment [11:12] oh tsk, who broke kde4libs [11:12] * apachelogger hides in fear that it was him [11:14] hmm, symbols foo [11:16] hah, how cool is google goggles :D [11:16] Riddell: caused by what? [11:17] I've no idea, nothing changed except a Replaces [11:18] Riddell: you have to change 4.3.80-0ubuntu1 to 0ubuntu2 in libplasma3.symbols.in [11:18] oh my [11:18] in all lines where there is 4.3.80-0ubuntu1 [11:18] what a maintenance overhead [11:19] yep [11:19] why is the package version in the symbols? [11:20] iirc I added when I merged [11:22] debian doesn't have the debian part of the version number, I'm sure s/-0ubuntu1// would work [11:22] I'll test that [11:22] the alternative is just to remove the symbols file and ignore the issue [11:25] I checked better, my fault, I added 0ubuntuX in this release, sorry :) [11:29] building it without to test just incase === yofel_ is now known as yofel [12:16] * Riddell takes a look at kdeadmin and kdewebdev build failures while kdelibs compiles === tusooa_ is now known as tusooa [12:47] split me round round baby round round -.- [12:55] hmm, so in debian libx11-dev is brought in by libgl1-mesa-dev which is brought in by libqt4-opengl-dev [12:56] * Riddell wonders why that's different with us [13:00] hm, why do we still ship an outdated libmtp8? it's 0.3.7, 1.0.1 is out since August, 1.0.1 is released since a few weeks [13:00] heh Mamarok good question :) [13:01] because it might be the solution to quite a few Amarok problems... [13:04] I expect that's what debian had when we synced [13:06] debian stretched release date to later 2010 for new release i read === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening [13:07] hm, I will try pinging the Debian folk, too === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [13:21] seems our buildds don't install recommended packages [13:22] so libqt4-opengl-dev doesn't get install so libx11-dev doesn't get installed [13:22] humph [13:22] Lex79, apachelogger, and Riddell: You shouldn't have to change the symbols files each update. The version in the symbols file should be the version where the symbol first appeared. [13:23] right [13:23] makes more sense :D [13:26] infact debian doesn't install libqt4-opengl-dev in its buildds either nor libx11-dev so maybe libx11-dev is just a new dependency in 4.4 [13:26] seems so [13:28] Riddell: the same issue is present also in some packages in universe, we have to add libx11-dev in this packages too [13:29] so, it's not just a new dependency for 4.4. [13:30] guess someone dropped the dep .. wonder if accidental or intentional [13:30] or a result of a bad merge [13:31] intentional [13:31] debian doesn't have it [13:31] yes [13:31] so there's some difference somewhere [13:32] well I'll add it back as a depend on libqt4-dev [13:32] ScottK: you were saying colin was doing something which might make qt compile on arm? [14:04] bug 494027, strace coming (I knew I couldn't be alone) [14:04] Launchpad bug 494027 in kde4libs "After upgrade to KDE 4.4 beta in Lucid, no KDE applications will start." [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494027 [14:05] will probably render the next daily iso unbootable [14:05] oh joy [14:06] kdm_greet is affected too in my experience [14:06] it is [14:06] would help if I could get kdelibs to compile, it gets stuck on meinproc doing the docs [14:06] meinproc has also gotten stuck for quintasan on kdeutils and for maco in kdeedu [14:07] when kdm starts up you get a spinning cursor of death with kdm_greet stuck at 100% CPU [14:07] yep [14:08] gotta install gdm and maybe xfce to get a working X environment [14:08] gdm + gnome works [14:09] I might keep xfce around even after KDE is fixed... it's not that large [14:09] strace suggests its the same locale issue for meinproc [14:09] but I do not like xchat at all (not that it's an xfce thing, but...) [14:10] oh? They're related? interesting... [14:10] I did have a KDE 4.4 workspace working at one point [14:10] then after some upgrades stuff didn't work when I rebooted. [14:11] (this is when we were building stuff in -ninjas) [14:11] Unfortunately I cannot recall which upgrade killed things :( [14:11] hurr, just thinking I'm wasting my time in school makes me rage [14:11] I'll try compiling kdelibs without patches and see if that sorts it [14:15] Riddell: cjwatson was. Let me check in with him. [14:16] Quintasan|Szel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnQSMTpFSMI (don't have speakers up) [14:16] oh.. but you're at school [14:17] * Quintasan|Szel is heading home now :P [14:18] anyways I've wasted 2h+ on PE and lesson after that because they didnt assign us a teacher for subsstitute :/ [14:23] apachelogger has created the Church of Kubuntu now :D [14:24] now? you apparently did not notice all the secret societies I founded over the years :P [14:26] Riddell: This looks suspicious: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdelibs/kdecore/localization/klocale.cpp?r1=1058720&r2=1058719&pathrev=1058720 [14:26] "I've herd rumors that KDE might become the standard desktop environment in [14:26] Ubuntu. Anyone else know anything about that?" [14:26] that is an interesting rumor indeed :D [14:26] Riddell: I believe that prompted a tarball respin [14:27] and before the new tarball things were working fine [14:27] wait, that's post-beta [14:28] still a bit suspicious [14:29] perhaps an infinite updatecatalogs loop due to an incorrect number of catalogs it's looking for? [14:29] since I believe we add a few [14:32] omg! android is beating up wmobile [14:32] at least in the HTC universe [14:32] oh my [14:32] * ghostcube maeomo user in the future [14:32] maemo [14:33] :) [14:33] * apachelogger is seriously looking forward to the battle maemo vs. android vs. iphone [14:33] vs iphone o.O [14:33] Riddell: I got kdeedu building last night, but ran out of energy to get it finished. I'm planning to upload it without the new packages added so we at least have a complete set. [14:33] iphone is a gameboy for runaways [14:33] apachelogger: There was a spoof blog entry somewhere about that some time ago [14:34] android? [14:34] what kde defaulting into ubuntu o.O [14:34] * txwikinger heard google is working on stealingn the evil empire status from M$ [14:34] yeah with its strange chrome os [14:34] :) [14:34] hehe [14:35] its not google's fault that noone seemd to be able to create a sensible browser and then an OS tuned towards the intartubes [14:35] :D [14:35] * apachelogger finds that fact alone very scary TBH [14:35] apachelogger: someone in kubuntuforums theorized the kde-to-replace-gnome thing, he is an anti-mono person, and postulated that shuttleworth keeps kubuntu around just in case the hammer comes down from MS on its patents [14:35] IBM was the evil empire for the mainframe days. Microsoft for the desktop days. Google will be the evil empire of the interwebs days [14:36] claydoh: You going to do us an Alpha ! announcement? [14:36] !/1 [14:36] IBM was? IBM *is* still the evil empire for mainframes :D [14:36] um, maybe, though I have not even tried lucid yet :/ [14:36] but they're not evil since they put $1bn into linux [14:36] :P [14:37] claydoh: I hope someone explained to him that novell sold out to MS and hence mono is in no danger (well the next 10 years or so anyway) [14:37] well.. maybe they try to mask their evilness :p [14:37] apachelogger: that won't woork with him [14:37] it's more of a public opinion thing [14:37] JontheEchidna: kdelibs without patches seems to solve the meinproc infinite loop [14:37] JontheEchidna: Google uses Linux (even an internal ubuntu derivate) everywhere too [14:37] claydoh: so tell him that MS is advertising mono as official port [14:37] because that is what happens [14:38] I wonder if applying: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdelibs/kdecore/localization/klocale.cpp?r1=1058720&r2=1058719&pathrev=1058720 would fix it [14:38] * txwikinger deleted tomboy from his desktop after finding out it uses mono [14:38] apachelogger: no, he is pretty much locked into his view [14:39] just saying, if you dont fix him, at least prevent others from believing him [14:39] * apachelogger finds that seroiusly messed up [14:39] JontheEchidna: I'll try that [14:39] just like I found it seriously messed up when gnome fanboys called Qt unfree because of the dual license thingy [14:39] btw... in South America there is something liek a 4:1 ration of KDE:Gnome usage [14:40] kde rev 1057627 looks suspicious too [14:40] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=1057627&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 1057627 | initialize 'currency' in the proper order [14:40] apachelogger: I just don't like mono :D nothing to do with freedom :p [14:40] well, that is another thing [14:41] apachelogger: if you are bored http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3108275.0 [14:41] icluding my lame attempt to get a simple question answered [14:42] someone sould add a disclaimr to the first post :P [14:42] then all is good [14:44] Ok, so what is new and kewl for alpha1? besides the kde version? [14:45] curch of kubuntu obviously [14:45] Novell is a wholly owned subsidiary of M$? [14:47] txwikinger: did you take at novell's numbers recently ... their linux stuff drives in ~40M IIRC, compared to ~200M loss or so [14:47] mostly write-offs, but still [14:47] * claydoh goes out to move snow and then get lunch [14:47] apachelogger: They will win billions of $ from SCO :D :p [14:48] if they want to focus on the linux market stuff, then they either need to boost the market a whole lot, or they need to shrink the company [14:48] personally observation that is [14:48] txwikinger: I would not count on that :P [14:48] where there is nothing, you cant win anything :P [14:49] claydoh: that's nuts... [14:50] * txwikinger needs to stop reading nonsense and start working a bit [14:52] "These are the PATENTED libraries" [14:52] if I don't apply kubuntu_56_langpacks_desktop_files.diff then meinproc works [14:52] one can patent whole libraries? [14:52] something must seriously be wrong with that patent system Oo [14:53] Riddell: not that I argued the whole langpacks stuff is causing maintenance overhead? :P [14:54] would an emergency upload unapplying that patch be appropriate for now? [14:54] mm hmm [14:54] JontheEchidna: well let me play around quickly and see what can be done [14:54] kk [14:55] as long as it comes back soonish :S [14:55] not like I could upload it anyways, due to wonky ACL for kubuntu-dev [14:55] a kubuntu-dev cannot upload soprano, akonadi, kde4libs or kdepimlibs [14:56] but can upload gdm [14:56] hehe [14:56] heh, yeah [14:56] JontheEchidna: Would you please reply to my mail to ubuntu-devel of a few days ago adding the additional packages that concern us? [14:57] * JontheEchidna admits he's not subscribed to ubuntu-devel and never saw the mail [14:58] You really should. It's not terribly high volume. [14:58] I've got 2502 unread mails in there... not exactly low volume either [14:59] only 2502? you're lucky [14:59] hehe [14:59] >23k unread bug mails though [15:08] kdeedu is up (finally) [15:09] I believe that fixes our problem http://paste.ubuntu.com/337322/ [15:11] so back to the symbols question [15:11]