[00:39] anyone know how to force a rea-install of libgles1-sgx-omap4 [00:53] scratch that. trick was to be smart enough to find the already installed libs [01:04] MrCurious: apt-get install --reinstall [01:08] Amaranth: should I update the compiz package with your latest changes? [01:17] Amaranth: let me know if makes things better for nux [01:17] Amaranth: and if I should still keep the nux hack to just remove the disable gl_blend [01:31] brilliant! [02:10] libfreenect's glview working on pandaboard under ubuntu 11.x and getting 0.5FPS [02:11] while gumstix users report 30FPS [02:18] yep. performance BLOWS on pandaboard under ubuntu. [02:58] is there a lookup to port applications so they use OMAP4 optimized libs instead of non optimazed libs fo ropengl stuff? === Lopi|idle is now known as Lopi === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [08:32] I have ubuntu arm headless version installed on my beagleboard C3, I want to use my usb wifi dongle to connect it to the internet. [08:32] RTL8188CUS 802.11n WLAN is the adapter [08:32] Apperantly i need to install a driver to make it work [08:32] but there is no make command in headless version [08:32] any ideas? [09:03] morning [10:32] Hi, can you suggest me a cheap (~ 50$) handheld with a lcd display which supports linux and has a network card? [11:02] I am looking for a document as an explanation to how to connect to internet with ubuntu-arm headless? Does anyone know? [11:13] generally after install the connection is auto-magically up [11:14] Have you problems? [11:24] ogra_, hi! Haitao wants a catchup on audio on the ac100 [11:25] ogra_, sometime while we're in Dublin, you're in Dublin as well right? I think I remember seeing you here. [11:31] diwic, yeah, and i'm sitting in front of 6 ac100s atm [11:32] diwic, we're in the arm room, if you want to can have a device for this week [11:57] ogra_: do you want an ac100 more? :) [12:25] ogra_: did you get audio functioning on the AC100 [12:46] ppisati, sure, come over [12:53] ogra_: [12:53] ogra_: after lunch i'll be all over you [12:53] awesome ! [12:57] ogra_: hi, i've installed Natty netbook version. Done apt-get update && apt-get upgrade. Then sudo alsaucm set _verb HiFi sudo alsaucm set _verb Record sudo rm /var/lib/alsa/asound.state sudo reboot I still have no input :( [13:01] sorry for my pase, my connection gone down and i'm not sure about arrived on channel [13:01] [13:57:15] ogra_: hi, i've installed Natty netbook version. Done apt-get update && apt-get upgrade. Then sudo alsaucm set _verb HiFi sudo alsaucm set _verb Record sudo rm /var/lib/alsa/asound.state sudo reboot I still have no input :( [13:58:41] of course as line-in, no mic [13:01] *paste === Spider-Pork|2 is now known as Spider-Pork === Spider-Pork|2 is now known as Spider-Pork [13:38] Hi, can you suggest me a cheap (~ 50$) handheld with a lcd display which supports linux and has a network card? [13:45] that is quite an ask === hallyn is now known as hallyn_afk [14:53] persia: chase agreed that the kernel driver should work [15:03] hi all [15:05] hi blu_ [15:06] i have some trouble on my ubuntu 11.04 on pandaboard [15:06] my wifi ping have a serious packet loss [15:07] which is when i ping my router , i get a maximum 11 consecutive response then it will stuck for a while and resume back with another 11 consecutive response ...etc. [15:08] can anyone tell me what probably is the problem ? [15:08] how far from the router [15:08] less than 1 m with good signal strength [15:09] hm [15:09] natty is really good with wireless on my device [15:09] have you try to ping ? [15:09] yeah [15:09] ping without packet loss [15:10] better results than I had with maverick [15:10] is there any packet loss ? [15:10] no [15:10] r u using 11.04 ? [15:10] this isn't panda though [15:10] yes [15:10] and kernel 2.6.38 too ? [15:10] no [15:10] which kernel u using ? [15:10] different device different kern [15:10] 2.6.35.7 [15:11] you r not using pandaboard ? [15:11] have you tried running maverick again, just to see if there is a difference still [15:11] no [15:11] what device u r using ? [15:11] galaxy tab [15:12] may be different driver [15:12] or different wireless hardware [15:12] pandaboard uses wl1271 (if i not mistaken) [15:12] I do have different hardware [15:12] bcm4329 here [15:13] is there any encryption on the comm ? [15:13] ie. wep , wpa , wpa2 [15:13] wpa2 [15:13] nad u r using the wpasupplicant ? [15:13] yep [15:14] then either driver problem or kernel problem (i guess) [15:15] or the binary firmware blob [15:16] is fimware located on our SD storage or on the chip in the hardware ? [15:16] should be in /lib/firmware/ somewhere [15:17] mean that is on my SD right ? [15:18] yeah [15:18] is galaxy using cortex A8 ? [15:18] yeah [15:19] samsung hummingbird SOC [15:19] what is the diferrent between fireware and driver ? [15:19] (in ubuntu) [15:20] (and sry for asking beginner question becoz i m a beginner) [15:21] hi room [15:22] i want to build ubuntu for arm from sources [15:22] can anyone point me to the rite place? [15:22] firmware is code that runs on the hardware, for instance with the wireless card it runs on the wireless chip to make it work [15:22] and the driver is the interaction between the firmware and the OS [15:22] i looked up rootstock ... but that doesn't seem to be what i want [15:23] lilstevie: could the code run on the hardware store in SD? [15:24] blu_: some hardware stores its firmware on its own storage, but most use a loaded in firmware that is located in /lib/firmware [15:24] NewbieToKernel: that is quite a difficult task [15:25] I can build android from its sources , can a similar thing be done for Ubuntu? [15:25] #pandaboard [15:26] what exactly does rootstock do ? [15:26] NewbieToKernel: android is different, [15:26] rootstock grabs prebuilt binaries and builds a system from those packages [15:27] NewbieToKernel: is there a reason you want to build from source, cause it is generally not something you want to do [15:27] lilstevie: is patching driver , install driver, and patching firmware are all required to rebuild kernel ? [15:27] blu_: sorry I don't understand [15:28] @lilstevie: I want to add openGL / hardware codec support etc etc for ubuntu on an arm target [15:28] blu_: the kernel is a bit more than just drivers [15:28] NewbieToKernel: then building an entire system is not needed for that [15:29] @lilstevie: but then how will i get access to the HAL on ubuntu? say for ALSA ? [15:29] lilstevie: i was looking at https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/546381/ and https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/546401/ to try patch my driver [15:30] but i was told that i need to rebuild/recompile my kernel for that [15:30] blu_ download the sources for panda [15:30] NewbieToKernel: well for that you would only need to build ALSA if you were modifying that [15:31] lilstevie: okay , then what should i do ? [15:31] @lilstevie: and then how do i manage to put ALSA back to the binaries and use rootstock ? [15:32] @lilstevie: is there an online guide to doing this? [15:33] although, I don't think you should be modifying ALSA but rather the driver to make it compliant with the spec [15:33] @lilstevie: basically i dont know where to get started [15:33] @lilstevie: ALSA was just an example, [15:34] doesn't matter what, still should be trying for compliance with the spec rather than working around it [15:34] but if you look there will be source for everything available [15:34] grab what you want to modify if you can't modify the driver, [15:34] build it [15:35] and install it into the proper filesystem [15:35] proper place in the filesystem* [15:35] blu_: apply the patch and compile [15:37] lilstevie: is that mean i have to compile the whole ubuntu ? [15:38] @lilstevie: so where do i get started? say i want to add support for hardware codecs ... so where do i modify? for this i will need the location of the ubuntu sources ,I can then modify the sources, and then how do i push those changes back to my arm binary ? [15:39] i mean i can modify gstreamer [15:39] but then how to pus the changes back to the binary is what i want to know [15:44] stevie... did I explain myself clearly? [15:46] basically i want to know how to *grab what i want to modify and put it in put it into the appropriate file system* [15:50] NewbieToKernel: with all hardware support that should be done in the kernel driver rather than in userspace [15:50] blu_: no just the kernel [15:51] lilstevie: that is not not for beginner :( [15:51] *not [15:52] no [15:54] ogra_: sorry do you have only 2 minutes about my pandaboard and input sound? [15:54] lilstevie: i see that compiling kernel is not an easy stuff [15:55] maybe this link will be interesting http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/Get_started_with_ubuntu_on_omap4 [15:58] blu_: once you are set up for it it isnt that difficult [16:00] @lilstevie: you are right, kernel changes would be for adding support for new hardware that is currently unsupported ... but what if I do have hardware support , but I need to change the HAL of ubuntu to use that hardware support? [16:00] why would you need to change the HAL [16:01] HAL has been depreciated [16:03] basically I only have access to the hardware via HAL . I donot have access to the actual drivers , but this HAL is not compatible with Ubuntu HAL. By HAL i mean a generalized hardware abstraction layer , not something sprcific to ubuntu that has been deprecated [16:03] lilstevie: okay , thank you ... i will try and hopefully that can solve my prob [16:04] so i want to write a mapping layer between these 2 HAL's [16:04] i want the ubuntu HAL to use call my HAL rather than invoking the kernel drivers directly [16:08] NewbieToKernel: what device is this [16:14] I basically want to improve ubuntu port on Nexus 1 [16:14] or nexus S [16:16] so I want android and ubuntu to co-exist, and ubuntu can use the Andoid HAL [16:18] there is no HAL in ubuntu anymore [16:18] Spider-Pork, sorry, but i'm out of ideas, it works on all pandas here if you use an mp3 player as input [16:19] ogra_: just to understand if i missed some steps [16:19] no, the steps look fine [16:19] downloaded prebuild natty netbook image [16:19] ah ok [16:19] yeah, with that image and these steps sound works everywhere here [16:19] NewbieToKernel: you mean you want to chroot? [16:20] ogra_: done apt-get update && upgrade too [16:21] :( [16:22] ogra_: just to see if my board is broke, can you post an image of a your SD card with input working? [16:22] *broken [16:23] a dd copy for example [16:23] i am at the ubuntu sprint, there are several in teh room here, sound just works with teh above commands as described on the bug [16:24] @ogra: There must be some hardware abstraction layer in Ubuntu? @lilstevie not necessarily chroot just want ubuntu to use the hardware abstraction layer that android uses [16:24] thank you ogra_ [16:25] so the last chance is the input broken [16:25] ogra_: can you help me on ubuntu 11.04 wifi on pandaboard ? [16:26] then where is the incompatibility, enable a kernel option, you will have no problems [16:26] only something like the battery wont read properly [16:27] NewbieToKernel, there is none, hal was dropped in favour of udev, udisks and upower [16:27] who all work directly through kernel uevents [16:29] for the hummingbird SOC anyway [16:29] sound is a pain, but that is how the audio codec is implemented === tonu_ is now known as tonu [16:44] lilstevie: So, iof the kern driver works, which bit falls down? [16:46] persia: looks to be evdev [16:49] The X input driver? [16:50] Does xinput --list-props not show the right set? === hallyn_afk is now known as hallyn [17:01] it does, there is something weird no idea what [17:09] how do I connect my beagleboard to wireless internet? Ubuntu headless found the hardware and configured it during the install, now I am trying to find a way to connect to any ssid [17:11] persia: I think I am going to have to file a bug on bugzilla [17:16] Can someone please help me to figure out how to connect to internet with my beagleboard that runs ubuntu-arm headless version? [17:19] can anyone please at least suggest something? I am really stuck with where to start [17:20] kunguz: ifconfig is where I would start [17:21] shirgall: the funny thing there is no iwlist or iwconfig or wpa_supplicant in the system :( [17:22] kunguz: sh, so naked ifconfig doesn't even show a wlan0 to manipulate? [17:22] shirgall: it does show an item called as lo [17:22] kunguz: that's loopback [17:23] kunguz: no eth0 either? [17:23] shirgall: it prompts that it found the wireless card during the installation but it could not connect to any wireless network that I gave so I skip the step [17:23] shirgall: sorry, nothing at all... [17:23] shirgall: with lsusb I can see the card as U.S. Robotics USR5423 [17:23] kunguz: ok, the next place I'd loko is the contents of the file /etc/network/interfaces [17:24] shirgall: it only contains loopback network interface :( [17:24] kunguz: but, admittedly, if things were working automatically there'd be next to nothign in there [17:25] kunguz: can you "ifup wlan0"? [17:25] shirgall: let me see [17:25] shirgall: Ignoring unknow interface wlan0=wlan0 :( [17:25] rats [17:25] try ifup -a [17:26] shirgall: do you have any suggestion as a distro to use with my beagleboard? [17:26] shirgall: it returns nothing, went down to the newline [17:26] kunguz: I am testing the Ubuntu Oneiric alpha, but I'm not trying it headless [17:27] kunguz: and I'm using a pandaboard, not a beagleboard, but they are supposed to be pretty similar [17:27] shirgall: I want something light as a desktop, I want to work with lxde that's way I choose headless. After connecting the board to the internet, I will install lxde as a desktop [17:27] but failed with connecting it to the internet [17:29] shirgall: should I install it from the top? [17:29] kunguz: yeah, sorry, I don't have any other tricks handy at the moment, and I'm going into a meeting [17:29] shirgall: thanks for your time, you are the best. [17:29] kunguz: I did install it fresh, but that's something I can do because I have a spare sdcard. :) [17:29] kunguz, is that oneiric or natty ? [17:29] kunguz: you're welcome, I'll check in again later [17:29] ogra_: natty [17:29] hmm, should just work [17:29] oneiric has issues with USB currently [17:30] so you wouldnt see any usb devices on beagle there [17:30] natty should just work though [17:30] ogra_: so if I connect the usb adapter, it should be automatically seen under ifconfig, right? [17:31] ogra_: or do I need anything to configure it? [17:31] at least you should see it in dmesg [17:31] on headless ? [17:31] sure [17:31] ogra_: yes [17:31] headless is a developer image, you have to do everything manually [17:32] ogra_: in dmesg I can see a line ieee80211 phy1: Selected rate congrol algorithm 'minstre_ht' [17:32] i mean if you plug it in [17:32] ogra_: it does seem as recognised but there is nothing under ifconfig [17:32] when is ubuntu going to start transitioning from xorg to wayland [17:32] lilstevie, once its ready [17:32] ogra_: heh [17:32] surely not before next LTS by default [17:32] ogra_: so what should I do to make it visible under ifconfig? [17:32] as an option? [17:33] kunguz, well, it should just show up ... if you see the device appear in dmesg right after yu plugged it in [17:33] ogra_: it is seen there, I mean under dmesg, but unfortunately there is nothing under ifconfig :( [17:34] cat /proc/net/dev [17:34] does that show anything beyond lo ? [17:34] ogra_: it does show wlan0 [17:34] as a second line [17:35] what kind of chipset is in that card ? [17:35] might be that you miss firmware or some such [17:35] ogra_: it is U.S. Robotics USR5423 802.11bg device [17:35] ogra_: connected via USB [17:36] ogra_: isn't it wierd that there is no iwlist and wpasupplicant installed in the system? [17:43] ogra_: I think I found the reason [17:44] ogra_: /etc/network/interfaces has to be configured in a right manner, that's why I couldn't see wlan0 under ifconfig. Now I am able to see it [17:44] ogra_: I will try to connect to some open SSID without password [17:49] does anyone have a sample /etc/network/interfaces file to connect to a no password ESID [17:57] this is like a nightmare, does anyone know how to configure wlan0 to connect to some open ESSID? [17:58] sample would help a lot [18:02] auto wlan0 [18:02] iface wlan0 inet dhcp [18:02] these are the two lines that I used [18:02] sorry @lilstevie and @ogra_ was away for a while... so if i want to add support for say "camera" or "GPS" or say "accelerometer" to ubuntu on arm then first i'd have to write a driver on the kernel and then expose it to user space. This is one way to do it. but what if i have a modified kernel with all these drivers in place , but the only way to access these in user space is through a [18:02] proprietary hardware abstraction interface? I want to write a mapping layer from ubuntu to this proprietary hardware interface [18:02] when I call sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart , it hangs... [18:04] so for that i think the only way is to rebuild ubuntu from souces after incorporating my changes ... do you think it can be done in any other way? [18:06] better write a proper driver then :) [18:06] "rebuild ubuntu from source" ?? [18:06] what does that mean ? [18:07] what i mean is build ubuntu for arm target [18:07] that has already happened [18:07] what do you want to rebuild ? [18:08] but what what if i want to change it [18:08] to incorporate hardware changes [18:08] then you have to write a kernel driver [18:09] basically i dont want to touch the existing drivers [18:09] kernel drivers are already there for android [18:09] i want them to work with with ubuntu as well [18:11] does anybody know if the card resize problem during Ubuntu 11.04 instalation (following I/O errors) has been fixed yet (Panda Board Rev. A2)? [18:12] is there any network manager that I can use in ubuntu-arm headless? [18:13] i saw some videos of ubuntu on nexus 1.... ubuntu seemed to run with a lot of lag.... so i'm assuming stuff like codecs and open gl must still be in software... i want to optimize it to interact with hardware [18:15] guys, please I need help; I couldn't connect my beagleboard to internet [18:15] I am really stuck [18:15] at least some suggestion would do fine [18:19] ogra_: may I ask for your help? [18:24] guys please :( [18:24] Please help me [18:31] that's the spirit of open source [18:48] In a debian world, how should changes to /etc files be handled? I mean, I am putting together a complete machine, and to suit some kernel/HW needs, some changes needs to be made into /etc/pulse/default.pa. However I cannot create a .deb file with those changes as files are already registered in the pulseaudio package. Does this imply that I must rebuild a special version of pulseaudio to my... [18:48] ...system to accommodate these changes? [18:52] kunguz: You are asking for help from someone who's working day finished 2hrs ago [18:53] lag: thank you for the reply. [18:54] sveinse: I thought the whole idea of a separate profile config file was that you wouldn't have to re-build [18:56] lag: "profile config"? Without having checked, I am pretty certain the /etc/pulse/* files are marked as config files in its deb package, so changes are allowed. But not two packages can own the same config file [19:04] sveinse: diwic is your man, he'll be back on tomorrow morning [19:05] lag, why hanvent i seen you around yet ? [19:05] sveinse: In the meantime perhaps you can find something of interest here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio [19:06] ogra_: Yet? [19:06] ogra_: You mean in Dublin? [19:06] in dublin [19:06] oh [19:06] heh [19:06] * ogra_ forgot [19:06] 'cos I'm not coming ;) [19:06] #yeah [19:06] well, at least i'll come to your sprint [19:06] Linaro Platform Sprint is in ~1 month [19:06] yep [19:06] ogra_: You are? Great! [19:06] i'll be there [19:07] I'll look forward to it [19:07] :) [19:07] I would have liked to come to Dublin, but it is a very busy time for me [19:07] snowball ? [19:07] New project just started [19:07] Yeah, Android [19:08] Why aren't you in the bar? [19:09] i just finished up some stuff ... on my way ;) [19:09] ... and out :) [19:10] ogra_: ;) [19:10] hi ogra_ [19:11] i guess you were away [19:11] i saw some videos of ubuntu on nexus 1.... ubuntu seemed to run with a lot of lag.... so i'm assuming stuff like codecs and open gl must still be in software... i want to optimize it to interact with hardware [19:11] lag, my problem is not specifically related to pulseaudio, but it's _one_ example. But I got your message [19:12] I can install post installation modification scripts to do my changes within /etc, but it feels so... hackish. [19:13] sveinse: There are lots of useful wiki pages on the Ubuntu website and a great deal of information on the web about all this stuff. I'd say if you can't find your answer by the end of play tonight that people might be ready, willing and able to help you out tomorrow. Most people who usually help out here are on Sprint in Dublin (and most likely in the bar at the moment). :) [19:14] heh.. Let them enjoy their time. Thanks [19:14] :) [19:14] If you can't find anyone to help you, ping me tomorrow and I'll be more than happy to point you in the direction of someone who can [21:26] persia: if i wanted to follow a bug relating to usb speed on pandaboard under ubuntu, do you know where i would look to follow the discussion? [22:10] does anyone know if ubunto 10 on pandaboard has the usb speed issue that 11 has? [22:20] can anyone explain me how to connect to wireless network with ubuntu-arm headless image? [22:21] persia: Are you in Dublin as well? [22:22] If not: a short Q: Would you say running qemu-debootstrap is better/safer than running rootstock? (And I am aware of the extra bits rootstock is doing to the image)