[08:08] Morning [10:47] dholbach: HAHAHA [10:47] nigelb? [10:47] dholbach: You have Christ Johnston in your address book for cjohnston! [10:48] I know he's awesome and all that. I didn't know he was /that/ awesome :P [10:48] I have no idea why thunderbird keeps doing that [10:48] heh [10:48] I guess it got automagically copied from some mail I replied to [10:48] fixing it [10:50] I went through the registration process now. I couldn't see any phishing. [10:51] I'm wonder if thre was something wrong with the third party [10:51] which third party? [10:51] the people who do the forms.canonical.com [10:52] mh, do we have a contact for those? [10:52] dholbach: I'm fairly certain that https://www.tfaforms.com belongs to veer west who do that stuff. [10:52] marianna should know more [10:52] veer west? [10:53] Yeah, that's the company that does that. A while back tehy advertised Canonical as their customer [10:53] dholbach: They still do -> http://www3.formassembly.com/ [10:54] hum [10:54] hum [10:54] hum [10:54] hum [10:54] :) [10:55] ok if canonical shippit person doesnt know the date of release of 11.10 that is a bit worrying [10:55] :/ [10:56] Not really. That person could be new. [10:56] You worry too much. [10:56] (c) Dave Walker 2009 [10:56] popey++ [10:57] popey: :) [10:57] nigelb: yeah she could you're entirely right, howerver, this close to a release I would expect the date to be well known. [10:58] There's still a month more! [10:58] :) [10:58] nigelb: fine. [10:58] Actually, when is the release date? [10:58] * nigelb check schedule [10:59] Aha, 13th. === Pendulum_ is now known as Pendulum [11:03] popey: what have i copyrighted? [11:03] Daviey: "You worry too much" [11:03] ahh [11:03] yes [11:03] you all do. [11:03] I am worried about mhall119 landing summit code which is filling my inbox with error emails. [11:04] other than that... peace. [11:04] Daviey: Its the machine. Can you help us move things there? [11:04] * czajkowski hugs Daviey [11:05] * Daviey finds nigelb very moving. [11:06] nigelb: is there a bug about it? [11:07] Daviey: There's an RT. [11:08] Daviey: Its not the code actually. We need to play Sherlock on that server ^-^ [11:08] nigelb: are you sure? [11:09] Daviey: Fairly sure, yes. Summit runs okay on our test server [11:10] http://pb.daviey.com/BWZO/ , looks pretty 'code related'. [11:11] Daviey: EWW. That looks like fail, yes. === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [11:49] dholbach: Were you able to investigate that more? :) [11:50] nigelb, I'm asking around [11:55] Daviey: did you file a bug? [11:57] Daviey: looks like something didn't get changed properly during one of james_w's merges, it's an easy enough fix [12:11] Daviey: got a fix coded: https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/summit/fix-personal-ical/+merge/76393 [12:11] nigelb: would you mind reviewing? [12:13] mhall119: a little later, busy at work [12:13] ok, I'll see if james_w can do it when he's around [12:17] fine. same to you mhall119 :) [12:21] huh? [12:22] Daviey: awstrial got it's first 2 tests written last night [12:24] mhall119: oh, nice [12:24] BBC are here recording [12:25] czajkowski: recording what? [12:25] saying we're breaking one of apples patents on android app [12:31] stupid stupid software patents [12:32] mhall119: it's over this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14858056 [12:36] czajkowski: sounds like the BBC is on your side at least [12:37] it's the guy who wrote that is in here [12:38] cool [13:45] mhall119: did you get it reviewed? [13:45] I'm not *stuck* at work, with nothing to do. [13:45] Babysitting a process [13:47] ah, approved and merged. Cool! [13:47] nigelb: I think james_w reviewed it [13:47] I did [13:57] heya james_w [13:57] had the call with the track leads to explain the scheduling [13:57] they oddly enough, had almost no questions [13:57] that's good I guess [13:57] one thing though, you guys need to put the track leads in the scheduling/drivers group for the linaro sprint [13:57] did you just cover filing blueprints and approving them for the sprint? [13:57] yeah [13:57] otherwise they can't accept/decline blueprints [13:57] yeah I also showed them the summit editing and all that [13:58] (not the admin stuff, but the manually scheduling) [13:58] jcastro: track leads shouldn't be manually scheduling should they? [13:58] they can adjust [13:58] but prior to UDS [13:59] I told them after 9am Monday they go through the front desk [14:00] mhall119: also hey [14:00] Old Jamaica Ginger beer is my new addiction [14:00] the plenary slots are wrong [14:05] hey jcastro [14:06] jcastro: so fix them [14:06] jcastro: remember, init-slots is a 90% solution [14:06] ugh [14:06] dude [14:06] why does initslots make them wrong? [14:06] what's wrong about them? [14:07] if it's an error that can be fixed, file a bug [14:08] they're supposed to be 15 minute blocks [14:08] k, filing [14:10] * jcastro goes to manually fix all the slots [14:10] I hate myself [14:10] dholbach: what are you working on now? It might make me feel better about myself [14:10] haha [14:11] jcastro: bug #? [14:12] jcastro: awwww you're a bit eveil toda [14:12] heh [14:12] https://bugs.launchpad.net/summit/+bug/855586 [14:12] Ubuntu bug 855586 in summit "init-slots makes plenaries too long" [Undecided,New] [14:12] but don't run anything, I'll just fix them by hand [14:12] twss [14:12] :) [14:13] jcastro: is it going to be 4 x 15 everyday? [14:13] not Friday [14:13] that's LIGTHENING [14:13] heh [14:13] flash lightening [14:14] ginger beer and sweets = sugar rush [14:14] jcastro: any complaints about summit at UDS, please encourage folks to file a bug :) [14:14] ok updated the bug to tell you about friday [14:15] Or kick cjohnston. That works as well. [14:15] summit works fine [14:15] it's people blame summit for us being so disorganized [14:15] I've been ready to schedule for like 2 weeks [14:15] jcastro: and nobody can ever say you are disorganised :) [14:15] and they still don't know the final tracks [14:15] * czajkowski hands jcastro the cane, go poke em [14:19] hmmm [14:19] something bad happens when I click save on a slot [14:19] "Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to summit.ubuntu.com" [14:20] jcastro: you just broke it for everyone [14:20] nice! [14:22] what happened? [14:22] dammit jcastro, not again [14:22] /never/ let jcastro play with summit. [14:23] dude, you asked for it! [14:23] :) [14:23] nigelb: +1million [14:23] "jcastro: remember, init-slots is a 90% solution" [14:23] my 10% is BAD! [14:24] wow jcastro, you really did it this time [14:24] mhall@cranberry:~$ ps -ef |grep apache [14:24] mhall 24357 24288 0 14:23 pts/0 00:00:00 grep --color=auto apache [14:24] jcastro, was just out for lunch, now I try to get a few non-UDS things done [14:24] jcastro: Everytime you go near summit, you break it! :) [14:24] he broke loco-directory too [14:24] I had to adjust the slots [14:24] and status.u.c [14:24] jcastro: you induced an apache segfault. [14:24] Daviey: I had to adjust the slots because your initslots thing is wrong [14:25] whoa, never induced an apache segpahult before [14:25] http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/ down, thanks jcastro [14:25] I am special! [14:25] man [14:25] I hope the wiki is down [14:25] lol [14:25] that would be the best thing I could do for the project. [14:25] jcastro: you are on a roll today [14:25] Great [14:25] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ [14:25] We might need to defer the Beta 2 release if we can't track it. [14:25] man, EPIC. [14:26] way to go on the whole infrastructure design there Daviey [14:26] put everything we need on one box. [14:26] jcastro: The apt archive i am using is also broken now, was that you aswell? [14:26] juju deploy summit [14:26] juju add-unit summit [14:26] dholbach: do you know what "python number-of-items-in-queue" is running for? [14:27] My coffee is cold, is that your fault too jcastro !? [14:27] jcastro: Geez, we are stuffed now. [14:27] Daviey: hey man, I only sneezed, you're the one who built this house of cards. [14:27] apache is back up on cranberry [14:27] mhall119, yes, sponsoring-stats [14:27] dholbach: it seems to run a lot [14:28] Great, beta 2 might still ship on time. no thanks to jcastro [14:28] lol [14:28] \o/ [14:28] mhall119: What would be the best way of blocking troublesome users from summit? [14:28] iptables! [14:28] ban them from cranberry! [14:28] mhall119, I changed it to every 2 weeks [14:28] err [14:28] hours [14:29] Daviey: you mean like jcastro ? [14:29] well, I guess this will get initslots fixed! [14:29] >_> [14:29] <_< [14:29] mhall119: well yeah. [14:30] 14:24 < lamont> [Wed Sep 21 14:18:36 2011] [alert] (11)Resource temporarily unavailable: apr_thread_create: unable to create worker thread [14:30] 14:24 < lamont> what are you guys doing to that poor box? [14:31] jcastro, why did you ask? [14:31] I suspect our random out-of-memory error has finally struck apache [14:31] we jcastro'd it [14:31] I think jcastro would make an excellent QA person he breaks things in a unique way [14:31] no way dude [14:31] it's the OOM killer [14:31] yes, it's so hard to break summit [14:32] like putting a PERIOD in the wrong field = doom. [14:32] you didn't break summit, you broke apache! [14:32] that is a lot of rooms on summit right now, will the list be trimmed a bit? [14:32] jcastro: key word - unique way :) [14:32] jcastro: We Fixed that one bbtw. [14:32] g22 [14:32] AlanBell: some are dedicated linaro hacking rooms [14:33] oh, there are new urls somewhere for the display screens right? [14:33] /uds-p/today [14:34] is that selective of certain rooms or is it going to overflow the 1920 px width . . . [14:34] Hrm, no. [14:34] This is going to be fun. [14:35] 4K screens needed :D [14:35] oops [14:35] We'll have to do two monitors ^-^ [14:35] or make them touch screens so people can move the schedule about [14:36] use marquee to scroll the rooms! :D [14:36] mhall119: hey at least someone will look at the errors now for you [14:36] see, I actually helped. [14:36] jcastro: you sure about that? [14:37] hah, of course not. [14:37] If someone helps, I'm buying jcastro a drink [14:37] 1920 gets you up to about bonaire 6 I think, 2048 is most of Bonaire 8 [14:37] AlanBell: yeah, I brought that up a couple days ago, jcastro assured me we had the same number of rooms as last time [14:38] Actually, we should build an ID card powered by ardunio which displays the schedule on an LCD screen [14:38] :D [14:38] I am not sure now [14:38] I thought we had the same tracks and rooms too [14:38] but this morning I learned that we have 2 new tracks, etc. [14:38] tracks don't matter for displaying the schedule on the big LCDs [14:38] number of rooms does [14:39] Number of "public* rooms [14:40] jcastro: Is there space for the pool to be a 'room'? I'd like to schedule some sessions there pls.? [14:40] yeah, word [14:40] +1 [14:41] hold on, let me add it in the ADMIN SECTION [14:41] here I go! [14:41] make it private! [14:41] (haha just kidding I'm not touching anything) [14:41] We don't want it flooded [14:41] (see what I did there?) [14:41] and rename it during UDS :) [14:42] * Daviey does a targeted P session in the pool. [14:43] * jcastro pets Daviey on the head [14:43] O_O [14:43] popey: I blame you for bringing Daviey into this community. [14:43] also, wait a minute [14:43] Wasnt me. [14:43] why was everyone blaming me for all of this when popey was sitting right here the whole time? [14:44] uh [14:44] * popey wanders off [14:44] jcastro: THe server didn't get shut down [14:44] jcastro: Did you hear popey wanted to shut down another list? :P [14:45] really? which one? [14:45] all of them? [14:45] +1! [14:45] lol [14:45] users I think [14:45] oh right [14:45] aka. sounder part 2. [14:47] "well, if I add [OT] to the subject, I can get away with it." [14:47] [OT] Linux mint help, oh BTW you all suck [14:47] etc [14:48] this is an easy one [14:48] "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" [14:48] clear guidance there [14:48] no grey area [14:48] for the avoidance of any doubt... [14:48] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/09/20/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t11:09 [14:49] I can't say that I'm in favor of Ubuntu killing off synaptic either. I [14:49] LIKE it and don't like the "package installer" thingie with all the pink [14:49] unicorns and sparklies and "vote on this" ala "Eddie, your friendly [14:49] computer" style. I've never been, and don't want to become, friends with [14:49] my computer, in any way. They are evil and I'm pure mean. [14:49] "sabdflaiee, we should just shut that baby down" [14:49] it is pretty comedy though [14:50] * AlanBell doesn't want to go swimming in a pool that Daviey has done a targetted P session in [14:51] "i did ponder maybe a monthly mail" [14:51] that's suicide [14:51] meh [14:51] it wont be my problem soon [14:52] though, my take on using lists and forums for tech support is well documented. [14:52] I shall write a poem of popey's CC term [14:52] SHUT THEM DOWN! [14:52] (c) J Castro [14:52] Killer of lists, you wonderful sideys. [14:53] "Thanks Al. I sinned and installed Mint 11. I admit it. I can't STAND [14:53] that HTML only community thing they have. I might as well be top-posting [14:53] in here at 300 baud." [14:53] popey clearly hates mailing lists, he is a forum lover. [14:53] this is awesome popey, thank you [14:54] jcastro: heh [14:54] "It ain't for old-skool [14:54] text-email-only me. But, I don't like that Ubuntu web support thing [14:54] either. But, that's just me... old and crabby." [14:55] jcastro appears to be channeling RMS [14:55] I am quoting [15:00] dholbach, jcastro, kim0, dpm just give me a few mins, and then we will get started [15:00] oh thanks for the ping I totally forgot [15:00] k [15:01] sure [15:01] jono, ok [15:04] The compulsory pulseaudio reboot [15:05] since I enabled the desktop team ppa and installed a new test kernel I'm almost happy with oneiric :-P [15:06] where u having kernel problems? [15:06] yeah, let me find the bug number [15:06] bug 854986 [15:06] Launchpad bug 854986 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[eDP1] 5 second delay between Xorg starting and the greeter starting (Dell Latitude E6410)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854986 [15:07] booting/logging in took ages [15:07] cf bug 854101 title :) [15:07] I think I was just reading an article today about this eDP thing .. deep hackery vodoo [15:07] Launchpad bug 854101 in ubuntu-boot-speed "gnome-settings-daemon takes waaaaaaaay too long to start" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854101 [15:07] dholbach, dpm, kim0, jcastro starting a hangout [15:07] kim0, yes, nothing I'd want myself to get into [15:08] :) [15:10] hey, I'm alone in the hangout [15:25] kim0: check your mail. :) [15:26] jcastro: I just s/ensemble/juju/ 'ed the doc [15:28] jcastro: awesome, replied [15:41] Hey Daviey Alan Bell whomever is there a way to get the ubuntu-scribes to re-direct to ubuntu-meetingology for teams requesting "mootbot" that aren't aware that meetingology is being used [15:41] or edit the launchpad page? [15:42] well people are still popping into that irc channel making requests [15:42] because https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-scribes points there I guess [15:42] hey nigelb [15:42] jcastro: wassup? [15:42] http://uds.ubuntu.com/uds-sponsors/ [15:42] true but I don't own that team or anything [15:42] I don't know that I can edit the page [15:42] can you try to edit the rackspace link to link to www.rackspace.com? [15:42] i know the guy who does [15:42] one mo [15:42] I just started helping spread the word etc [15:42] nigelb: I think we need to do like 2 edits for it to stick? [15:43] jcastro: yeah [15:43] * nigelb logins [15:43] and stay logged in, we need to do it for the front page too [15:43] POS [15:43] jcastro: are you editing that? [15:44] let me get out then or we'll midair [15:44] I am editing the front page now [15:45] jcastro: Link to http://www.rackspace.com ? [15:45] yes please [15:46] jcastro: sponsors page done [15:46] ok weird [15:46] it just worked on the front page [15:46] * jcastro doesn't look a gift horse in the mouth [15:46] heh [15:46] * nigelb ^5 jcastro :) === salgado is now known as salgado-lunch [16:47] I'm must do a blog post on companies who are awful at getting back to people racksapce is near the top [16:52] czajkowski, amen there [16:52] so is *cough cough* Canonical [16:53] Actually, CAnonical is on the very top. [16:53] crap - that was supposed to be my inside voice [16:54] saying that yesterday I got offered another job while in a job [16:54] and also now being offered to go somewhere else to interview [16:54] and interviews lined up for nov for a job in jan [16:54] so it took 4 months of diddly squat to get 4 offers in a week [16:55] Rackspace interviewed me for a position after they already hired someone for the position they were interviewing me for [16:56] what the.. [16:56] then it took them 3 weeks to even tell me - I found out when the person they hired contacted me to do an interview with them [16:56] wait, the person they hired interviewed you for *that* position? [16:56] talk about royal suckage [16:56] no they contacted me to interview them for Linux Pro [16:57] Oh, lol. [16:57] yeah - I wasn't lol'img at the time I was dropping a bunch of f-bombs [16:58] to be fair - I wasn't the only one that happened to and later I got an apology ... [17:04] * popey wonders if AlanBell has seen the misleading text in the installer these days [17:05] "At the heart of Ubuntu.s philosophy is a belief that computing is for everyone. With advanced accessibility tools and options like your preferred color scheme, text size, and language, Ubuntu is all about working for real people." [17:06] s/advanced/broken/ [17:08] "so advanced it only works in the future" [17:08] man if we had to remove everything that we claim to do the website would be empty. [17:10] alright my friends, I call it a day [17:10] see you all tomorrow [17:10] bye dholbach === salgado-lunch is now known as salgado [17:16] popey: I did see that, yes [17:18] akgraner: I once nearly lost a job that I had accepted an offer for because the agent rang me up and I told them I had found a job and wasn't looking any more . . . [17:20] Bug #773243 is probably the worst example of missleading stuff on the website that might cause legal issues [17:20] Launchpad bug 773243 in ubuntu-website "Ubuntu website advertises "Fully compatible with Microsoft Office"" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/773243 [17:21] AlanBell: http://www.libreoffice.org/features/ [17:21] their description also has the same problem [17:22] "You can easily import files from Microsoft Word, Excel and PowerPoint and many other formats, and can easily save to Microsoft Office and other formats when needed." [17:22] this one takes the cake though [17:22] "You get a simple-to-use yet powerful interface that is easy to personalize – Microsoft Office users will find the switch easy and painless, with a familiar look and feel." [17:22] that is all fine [17:23] really it is totally defensible [17:23] lol, none of that is defendable as far as I can tell [17:24] in trade descriptions terms yes, it is [17:25] "you can easily" <- weasle words [17:25] and it isn't promising to import all files perfectly, just saying that it is easy to do [17:28] "Compatible with all major competitors' file formats." is what Libre Office says [17:28] "*Fully* compatible with Microsoft Office" is what we say [17:41] LIES! [17:41] Damned lies and statistics [17:41] in other news, I'm going home. [17:52] wait! [17:52] popey! [17:53] * jcastro lunches now [18:17] jcastro: is there any reason for having http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/interest/ still? To my knowledge, we don't use it for anything? [18:18] I know, I know.. your not incharge of this UDS.. [18:18] afaict no one uses it [18:18] cjohnston: for God's sake man, don't make him change stuff [18:18] anything wrong with it being removed? [18:18] I mean, once we got the personal schedules in place [18:19] mhall119: I'm not making him change anything.. This is for you to change [18:19] I'm not touching anything [18:19] I didn't even go to the URL [18:19] because I am scared [18:19] nope, I'm just a dev, I'm not responsible for production data [18:19] mhall119: its a code change.. to remove it [18:19] * cjohnston removes jcastro's admin access [18:19]