[00:02] SWAT, go to sleep! [00:02] * ompaul grins [00:04] goodnight [00:05] * Seeker` wonders where ikonia is when you need him [00:06] given the time in UK, probably sleeping [00:06] midnight [00:06] * Seeker` is perfectly aware of the time in the UK, having lived there for the whole of his life [00:06] burrrrrnnn... [00:06] :P [00:06] well I am now very aware of the time [00:06] Ah.. didnt know... [00:06] I am going to go [00:07] ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz [00:07] to sleep cheers [00:07] elky: could you take a look at a couple of the things i've left in this channel? Namely #xubuntu, and +Fs. [00:08] elky: I first prodded him 2.5 hours ago [00:08] * jrib suspects randbot is indeed a bot [00:08] * Seeker` suspects that jrib does infact have ribs [00:08] heh [00:09] and that I am indeed seeking something [00:10] whoa, what did they do to services... [00:10] What didn't they do to them? [00:11] yeah, no kidding [00:12] PriceChild, im not seeing anything about +Fs [00:12] fffffff [00:13] elky: as in, is it a good idea to give the four of us +F in the main channels, not all of them that irccouncil owns though [00:14] let me look up what it means first [00:18] forgive me, im ill and home from work, but im confused. why do we need forward exempts? [00:54] elky: +F on chanserv is founders access, means we don't have to use ubuntuirccouncil to edit things (see /msg chanserv help flags) [01:00] PriceChild, oh. i didnt see that on the page, except in the +b block but with no explanation [01:24] lo [01:32] hi [03:12] Hello all. Is there a Operator available at the moment? [03:14] Yes [03:14] Surprise [03:14] tj83: What's up? [03:15] Well... I would like to suggest that reference be made to this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/RealtekRTL8187b in the IRC bot to help others with a hardware issue.. I have searched the wiki for duplicate topics with none found. Is this appropriate? [03:15] Hey Jack_sparrow LOL [03:15] hello tritium [03:15] tj83 Is there a bot trigger for it [03:15] hi tj83 [03:16] Jack_Sparrow.... I dont know... I have the foggiest idea about the bot [03:16] or are you asking for a trigger name? [03:17] Didnt know if we already had a bot factoid for it [03:17] I dont think so.... its nowhere to be found in the wiki... surely there isnt a factoid... where is the list? [03:18] I dont care what we call it.. as long as it suits the subject well. [03:19] Noted will try to get that taken care of [03:19] !Realtek https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/RealtekRTL8187b [03:19] Jack_Sparrow: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [03:20] thank you... I come across many people in despair on this subject.. I hope this aids many. [03:21] !realtek [03:21] Factoid realtek not found [03:21] is "Realtek" too vaige? [03:21] vague [03:21] ubottu: relatek is some help for recent Realtek chipsets can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/RealtekRTL8187b [03:21] In #ubuntu-ops, mneptok said: ubottu: relatek is some help for recent Realtek chipsets can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/RealtekRTL8187b [03:21] bah. [03:22] tj83 It needs to be short, we can add other card info to it [03:22] ok... thats why your the operator.... [03:22] ubottu: relatek is some help for recent Realtek chipsets can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/RealtekRTL8187b [03:22] In #ubuntu-ops, mneptok said: ubottu: relatek is some help for recent Realtek chipsets can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/RealtekRTL8187b [03:22] curse you, you prattling pile of poopy Python! [03:22] are you intentionlly mispelling realtek? [03:22] mneptok: identify yourself, you imposter! [03:23] !realtek [03:23] Factoid realtek not found [03:23] it's not mneptok [03:23] * mneptok farts delicately [03:23] um, his cloak changed? [03:23] it did? [03:23] not to my knowledge [03:23] mneptok: services have changed. [03:23] oh, i thought it used to be different [03:24] mneptok: elky: neither of you are identified [03:24] ubottu: realtek is some help for recent Realtek chipsets can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/RealtekRTL8187b [03:24] ubottu: relatek is some help for recent Realtek chipsets can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/RealtekRTL8187b [03:24] In #ubuntu-ops, mneptok said: ubottu: realtek is some help for recent Realtek chipsets can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/RealtekRTL8187b [03:24] I'll remember that, Seeker` [03:24] haha [03:24] nalioth, so we now remain cloaked even when not identified? [03:25] !forget relatek [03:25] I'll forget that, Seeker` [03:25] elky: weird, isn't it? [03:25] or is my client just slow to figure? [03:25] nalioth, stupid really [03:25] so if i wish to pull this up in a channel how do I do this? [03:25] you are identified to services [03:25] are you identified to the bot? [03:25] !realtek [03:25] Factoid realtek not found [03:25] ubottu: realtek is some help for recent Realtek chipsets can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/RealtekRTL8187b [03:25] I'll remember that, Seeker` [03:25] !Realtek [03:25] some help for recent Realtek chipsets can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/RealtekRTL8187b [03:25] !realtek is some help for recent Realtek chipsets can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/RealtekRTL8187b [03:25] In #ubuntu-ops, elky said: !realtek is some help for recent Realtek chipsets can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/RealtekRTL8187b [03:25] far out [03:25] elky: @whoami [03:26] @whoami [03:26] elky: I don't recognize you. [03:26] @login [03:26] elky: Error: Your hostmask doesn't match or your password is wrong. [03:26] mneptok: @whoamo [03:26] *whoami [03:26] @whoibe [03:27] .. WhoDat [03:28] Thanks Guys... [03:28] I am outta here [03:30] seeya [03:34] Jack_Sparrow: hah ;) [03:34] :) [03:35] Im getting punchy... time to call it a night [04:07] sky didn't fall in, then? [04:07] @login [04:07] Hobbsee: The operation succeeded. [04:42] In ubottu, calcmandan said: !scrot is a simple screen capture utility using imlib2. Scrot has a few options, detailed here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/scrot [07:04] jussi01: you better tell him about your thoughts of "do we need a factoid for every app available" [07:05] !info scrot [07:05] :( [07:06] scrot (source: scrot): command line screen capture utility. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8-7 (hardy), package size 15 kB, installed size 84 kB [07:06] :D [07:11] Myrtti: D [08:10] jussi01: would you mind if I'd suggest a person having an improvment idea about ubottu would come /msging straight to you? [08:10] ugh that was horribly put [08:12] Throw the cow over the fence some hay? [08:13] Myrtti: people do it all the time, so thats ok. but they are better filing a bug, then I dont forget [08:14] Myrtti: stdin is also a bot contact, so you can also contact him [08:14] jussi01: file a bug, how? [08:15] !bug [08:15] If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots [08:15] Myrtti: ^ [08:15] !search ubuntu-bots [08:15] Found: bugs, best, botabuse [08:15] !best [08:15] Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, ask BestBot in #ubuntu-bots. [08:15] !botabuse [08:15] Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubottu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids. [08:17] though I just got this horrible idea of being the bug contact of ubottu [08:18] horrible, horrible eugh. [08:18] /me tries to shake the idea off [08:23] hehe [08:36] I HATE THIS SCREEN/IRSSI BUG [08:36] who do I have to bribe to get rid of this [08:38] which bug? [08:39] the one that makes overly long lines not to wrap correctly and making the content of the window previously visited to "leak" where the wrapped line should continue to [08:40] I've got no idea how to trace the problem... [08:41] *sigh* [08:41] happens in virtualized hardy server [08:42] not in "commandline" hardy [08:42] dodgy. [08:43] it really freaks me out to see "confidential" text mixed up in a casual conversation [08:43] like "so which venereal disease did you get from that idiot" on #ubuntu-offtopic [08:44] and that was just an example [08:45] /me goes to find a bug to whine in [09:56] mr. re-install is at it again. [09:58] should he be asked to come here [09:58] whaddaya think, ompaul? [09:58] bazhang, who is it and where [09:58] do you want me to lead on it? [09:58] or does anyone else?> [09:58] robg_ [09:59] he's been advising people with all sorts of problems to just reinstall. [09:59] yesterday Seeker` (I believe) stopped an user from reinstalling the whole system just to get edubuntu to work. [10:00] and we've been watching his behaviour for about a week now. [10:00] ffs [10:00] let me look back [10:00] invite issued [10:01] lets sit back [10:01] one more comment mute him [10:01] as in one more _bad piece of advice_ [10:02] Myrtti: that is correct [10:02] Seeker`, can you get me the time of that [10:02] also Jack_Sparrow has been looking after him [10:03] I bet he stops now the advise stuff for about an hour [10:04] fine will watch it also [10:05] I vaguely remember him stopping for a while with the bad advise after bazhang had asked him to stop with the "reinstall, two hours, done"-show [10:05] and then just carried on [10:05] ack [10:07] ompaul: just looking [10:07] !logs [10:07] Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ [10:08] ompaul: "does robg_ regularly suggest that people reinstall" [10:08] search for that here: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/05/29/%23ubuntu-ops.html [10:11] Seeker`, thanks [10:12] 'lo Seeker`, ompaul [10:12] not waiting [10:12] and whaddaya know, ompaul gave invite to -ops, robg_ going silent [10:13] could be a coincident, then again, might not be [10:13] * ompaul wonders [10:14] now he is muted in #ubuntu [10:15] good morning robg_ [10:15] ompaul: good morning. [10:15] any idea why you were asked to join here? [10:15] ompaul: god only knows. [10:15] na [10:16] I actually do :) [10:16] Seeker`: you called me ? [10:16] ikonia: PM? [10:16] Seeker`: apologies I've had a few days out of bath [10:16] Seeker`: sure [10:17] robg_, the idea that someone solves their issues with a reinstall or other brutal treatment of their machine when it is not necessary is not the kind of help we advise in #ubuntu [10:17] ompaul: I am indeed brutal. [10:18] ompaul: these machines can take it. [10:18] but their users don't need to do that [10:18] and we are about making life easy - not hard [10:19] you do realize that in most cases reinstall isn't needed and can cause more work than trying to fix the problem with other means? [10:19] right? [10:19] ompaul: I hear people struggling for 3 days with a problem that I solve in 2 hours. [10:19] and comments like: genii: I have the impression that a slow download actually produces better files. <<<< are just "wrong" [10:20] robg_, and if you both knew the right way you would be done in 5 - 10 minutes or less maybe one line of perl [10:20] ompaul: slow downloads do not attract attention on the web, high bandwidth downloads do. [10:20] robg_, get off that track it is incorrect [10:21] getting out of the way quickly is what the http: protocol was developed for [10:21] fast and short bursts [10:21] ompaul: carriers throttle high bandwidth downloads [10:21] that is a carrier choice and thus a users choice nothing to do with the rest of the internet [10:22] ompaul: anything that messes with a download could damage the file. [10:22] robg_, stop that [10:22] robg_: you are wrong [10:23] ompaul: I have had only successes with slow downloads. [10:23] !worksforme [10:23] Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/ [10:24] that is most unfortunate, but your theory is still wrong [10:25] Seeker: I use methods that work. Theories do not interest me much. [10:25] robg_, look it seems you don't know what you are on about from our perspective [10:25] robg_, and frankly we can't have people getting bad information [10:26] robg_, and you sir are distributing same [10:26] so what are we do to? [10:26] ompaul: my methods are formally correct and always work but I will gladly leave the provisioning of information to you. [10:28] I have unmuted you in #ubuntu - I did so upon join - please observe the way problems are resolved, and don't give what we call bad information, be aware that if you do suggest a reinstall again to anyone in any case where it is not warranted then you may find yourself banned [10:28] ompaul: get stuffed. [10:28] oh my [10:28] you got your answer in #ubuntu [10:28] and now here [10:29] aol - whoo [10:29] watch #ubuntu just in case [10:29] Aww I love today's xkcd. [10:30] fading dreams? [10:30] yup [10:30] didn't get it till the alt text though, shame on me [10:45] ompaul: I asked him a few times yesterday not to swear [10:53] Seeker`, he should not have to be asked more than once [10:54] are we talking about rob or someone else? [10:54] marcusklass [10:54] find [10:54] fine [10:54] ompaul: I can't really do anything about it [10:55] * ompaul goes to check something [10:56] and you let them back in and then they get the idea that it is going to escalate don't worry about it [10:56] woops [11:00] ompaul: they dont let me have ops in #ubuntu, so I can't do anything much about people doing naughty things [11:01] Seeker`, get a job :) [11:01] we are saving you from yourself :) [11:01] best response to a student [11:01] actually laughed out loud in the office [11:01] ikonia, hehe [11:01] ompaul: I'm not sure if i still count as a student, did my last exam yesterday [11:02] love it, perfectly reasonable discussing then the standard issue retort "get a job2 [11:02] Seeker`, wait three months [11:02] while dinner = beans on toast; do student lifestyle; done [11:02] chanserv gives Seeker` ops [11:02] actaully, i'm going to have loads of drinks from shakeaway while my library card is still valid [11:02] ruh roh [11:02] Seeker`: genius [11:03] what chanserv giveth chanserv can taketh away [11:03] ikonia, what is this shakeaway he speaks of [11:03] milkshake bar in town [11:03] not a booze bar [11:03] http://www.shakeaway.com/subsites/uk/homepage.htm [11:03] it's where the cool kids hang out [11:04] * ikonia is not cool enough to drink there [11:04] omg [11:04] i just realized I'm living a student life [11:04] and I can't remember when I attended any classes [11:04] ikonia: why not? [11:04] Myrtti: my script is flawed [11:04] Seeker`: I don't wear skinny jeans [11:04] ikonia: I dont either [11:04] maybe the dress code has changed then ;) [11:05] * ompaul does not wear jeans has not since 1988 [11:05] actually, I may get one on the way up to uni today [11:05] Seeker`: on a saturday it's always over taken with the "cool" kids with their skinny jeans and caps that are puposfully put on jaunty [11:05] now there is a fact [11:05] ikonia: :( [11:05] Seeker`, does the truth hurt? [11:05] ;-) [11:05] * ompaul rusn [11:06] * ompaul trips gets up and runs [11:06] :P [11:07] I do my laundry at the downstairs laundry room once a month, have a huge pile of dishes, there's hay all over the place, bed unmade, I sleep at odd hours and drool over university geek boys. [11:07] oh, and I eat mostly frozen pizzas and other semi-prepared food from Lidl. [11:07] Seeker`: post a photo quick quick ! [11:07] or bread. [11:07] ikonia: of what? [11:07] a shakeaway [11:07] Seeker`: "uni geek boys" [11:07] hahaha [11:07] heh [11:07] uni geek boys, where where [11:07] right so folks I am out of here [11:08] * ikonia prods Myrtti at seeker [11:08] /me looks around [11:08] hot uni geek in the room [11:08] oh, there :-D [11:08] hiya Seeker` ;-) [11:08] hi Myrtti :) [11:08] predator [11:08] ha ha [11:08] right so I am out of here [11:08] ;-) [11:08] :-< [11:08] laters [11:09] laters ompaul [11:09] breakfast [11:13] I'll prolly have to ask my project manager if he knows any eligible uni Linux geek bachelors from here [11:13] since I can't date him. [11:13] :-) [11:14] you'll have to beat them off with a pink stick [11:14] (due to your love of pink) [11:49] quick announcement for those running a bot: the ubuntu.db URL has changed to http://jussi01.com/web/ubuntu.db please update your cron scripts :) [13:29] Cody seems to be under the impression that a resolution was made at uds that the irc council and freenode staff would not op in ubuntu channels. He has removed my access and *!*@freenode/staff/* from #xubuntu. As a GC I am requesting the +f flag in #xubuntu to return this./ Just fyi. [13:31] PriceChild, ask him to talk here [13:31] Ah he is back online. [13:32] it was not a resolution it was a suggestion that the whole thing would be rejigged [13:32] I talked with him a little ago, then he went offline saying he would look into it. [13:32] Cheers. [13:32] you still wearing a suit? [13:32] ;-) [13:32] Actually... yea :/ [13:33] <-- is a loser. [13:33] * ompaul sends ya a few tees [13:33] :D [13:33] they might be a bit on the large side :) [13:34] hehe. [13:37] PriceChild: from what i heard, that was a suggestion. [13:37] but wasn't written down anywhere, nor decided upson. [13:41] there were several strands to as I understood it [13:41] as i understood it the idea was not to remove or strike freenode/staff from the access list but [13:41] that freenode/staff and irc-ops would not be the same people [13:41] PriceChild: OTOH, as the channel contact, he certainly has some rights [13:41] where ops are ubuntu ops [13:41] further to that [13:42] Hobbsee, and the users have the right to expect that everything can be done to protect them. he's thrown out the biggest protection the users of the channel have by removing the staff access [13:42] the council would not be all ops but should be inactive ops as far as I could tell with outsiders [13:42] Hobbsee: as a member of hte ubuntu irc council, i am part of the team that manages our presence on freenode. #xubuntu *should* have freenode/staff in, for reasons i have explained to cody. [13:42] elky: i guess that then gets down to whether the staff actually respond. but yes, i see your point [13:42] SWAT, you about? [13:43] * Hobbsee wonders when her mobile will ring. [13:43] Hobbsee, the staff cannot respond without the access there, by their own policies. [13:43] Hobbsee, staff won't respond unless chan ops are not present [13:43] and then they tend not to be as responsive as chan ops [13:44] Hobbsee: I'm not even sure when UbuntuIrcCouncil transferred ownership of the channel to cody. [13:44] they view their role as very much stand back and act only if the channel is out of control for want of a phrase which I am not willing to define further [13:44] next up [13:44] elky: oh, i know that. [13:44] elky: no question there [13:45] Why not have cody-somerville (ping) weigh in on this instead of talking about what we think he thinks. [13:45] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat says it is still UbuntuIrcCouncil's for exapmle. [13:45] I don't really care about that if the channel is being maintained properly by whoever has the proper access. [13:47] So the main complaint is the lack of access in the channel to Freenode staff? [13:47] that's the most critical. it's a redundancy feature/service [13:50] I'm not intrinsically opposed to having them on the access list. [13:50] cody-somerville, there is no "main complain" [13:50] t [13:50] woops :) [13:50] then why did you remove them? [13:50] ompaul, s/complaint/concern ? [13:50] cody-somerville, they are needed the point was the dual role of staff/irc-op [13:51] I would also appreciate being added to the list with at least +votiA, preferably +f [13:51] and then council / staff [13:51] PriceChild, that reads funny voti for A n f [13:51] Freenode staffers opping in our channels is not a problem, and I hope nobody is questioning that. What is a problem in some people's opinions is people wearing both hats when making decisions. [13:51] the elections are won -- but I digress [13:52] elky, I was under the impression that a decision had been made at UDS to effect that individuals could only wear one hat. [13:52] PriceChild, that is exactly the "concern" to rob cody-somerville's phrase [13:52] cody-somerville, not could - the suggestion and it was a suggestion was "should" [13:52] but that has not played out in any way [13:53] cody-somerville: as a freenode staffer, I am already under that decision on their side. (Just so you know) [13:53] cody-somerville, you're against people who help more than one project? [13:53] I'm not sure what removing access for Freenode staff has to do with people being on the irc council and being freenode staff... [13:53] elky, What would give you that idea? [13:53] elky, I think that is unfair, the guy has not got the picture in full that is all [13:53] cody-somerville, the whole dual-role thing [13:54] Pici: suggestion is for more than the irc council [13:54] how is it unfair. that's how it's sounding to me at the moment, as someone who is only now hearing *anything* about this. [13:54] elky, I was not at the meeting at UDS Intrepid because I was tied up elsewhere but if I understand correctly the rationale was not to prevent people from contributing to multiple projects but to improve transparency. [13:55] We really need to hold an irc council meeting, so much to discuss. [13:55] cody-somerville: it was all talk. it's not action until it's publically documented. [13:55] cody-somerville: where did you see this documented? [13:55] elky, he made an mistake that is all [13:55] cody-somerville, you were not the only one tied up elsewhere. [13:55] elky: mneptok represented well, so you don't need to worry :) [13:55] elky, You weren't able to attend either? [13:55] cody-somerville: none of the irc council was there in person. [13:56] Mkay. [13:56] cody-somerville, no, i was running a stand at the local version of CeBIT. [13:56] cody-somerville: afaik only i was able to join via irc, which was extremely limited. [13:56] PriceChild, +1 [13:56] I wonder if the streams were saved [13:56] cody-somerville: so what shall we do. [13:56] cos logs of the session and the streams could be played back and then a feeling gotten for what was needed [13:57] Well, I'll speak with the individuals who had passed the summary on to me and I'll see about resolving the confusion. [13:57] cody-somerville, I strongly suggest you talk with mneptok [13:57] cody-somerville: so you are not adding these flags back now? [13:57]