[00:01] bryce RAOF TheMuso robert_ancell meeting time! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-06-14 [00:03] exciting! [00:03] Good morning. [00:03] morning....hope everyone is having a good penultimate week before the rally! [00:04] anyway... bryce or RAOF here? [00:04] [TOPIC] X.org update [00:05] Ok, moving on. robert_ancell can you update us on LightDM? [00:07] still coming along. There were some crashers that people are getting, which some have been fixed in an update. I plan on releasing 0.4.0 today or tomorrow which has some more fixes. The apport crash retracer doesn't seem to be working, which is making it harder to notice and decode these crashes - bug reports remain private so I'm not seeing them [00:07] talked with the design team last night, and they have a draft design so I can start working on a prototype greeter [00:08] awesome. [00:08] * bryce waves [00:08] is it on by default now? MIR approved? [00:08] hey bryce [00:09] yes, so the number of bug reports has gone up quite significantly [00:09] robert_ancell: :) [00:09] awesome [00:09] I think you still need to opt-in when you upgrade [00:09] robert_ancell: thanks...good work. can't wait to see the protoype greeter as well :) [00:10] bryce: want to update on Xorg now? [00:10] sure [00:11] the new xorg package is merged in; this moves the failsafe-x bits and apport hooks over the the new xdiagnose package. [00:11] I've been working on getting a MIR in for that, migrate it to dh_python2, etc. Hopefully should be done this week [00:12] I know RAOF is working on mesa but don't know what the status is for this week. 7.10.3 came out this week, but I think in oneiric we're moving to a git snapshot anyway [00:13] been lots of user questions about graphics/input bugs this week too [00:13] jasoncwarner, think that covers it [00:13] bryce: yeah...and I've been hearing about the general state of drivers (fwiw)... [00:13] thanks, bryce [00:14] TheMuso: care to give quick update on Accessibility and Qt specific stuff? [00:15] jasoncwarner: Well didia is dealing with the QT patch integration side, I am working with upstream to get a few license issues solved for the qt-at-spi bridge. Hope to get that done today, push the patches upstream and get them integrated, as I was asked to fix up the license stuff due to lack of time on upstream's part. Hope to upload to the archive by EOW. [00:15] Didier even [00:15] TheMuso: :) [00:16] TheMuso: awesome...thanks! I know didrocks is going to a Qt conf end of this week to sort some remaining issues out... [00:16] TheMuso: thanks! [00:16] Cool. [00:16] np [00:16] anyone else have anything they wanted to discuss? [00:17] jasoncwarner, yeah one thing [00:17] I'm interested in gathering ideas on improvements for launchpad that would help us. [00:17] if anyone has ideas, please shoot them to me [00:18] jasoncwarner, there's a coming feature for Launchpad that promises to help make doing merges easier [00:18] bryce: very cool! thanks for the update :) [00:18] (not that I do merges, but I've read about them....in a book) [00:20] Ok...sounds like a wrap...anyone else (last call)? [00:21] alrighty then.... [00:21] thanks everyone! [00:21] [END OF MEETING] [00:34] BAH! That'll learn me for relying on technology. Apparently the meaning of “Enable USB Tethering” has been changed to “Ensure my mobile will not connect to a mobile network” behind my back. [00:34] Sorry guys. [00:34] lol [00:34] Shit happens. [00:35] heya RAOF [00:36] bryce: mesa is now blocked on bug #790204 [00:36] Launchpad bug 790204 in llvm-2.9 "[MIR] libllvm-2.9" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/790204 [00:37] RAOF, that's for the 7.11 branch, or still .10? [00:38] It's for 7.10 [00:38] I *could* turn off the llvm support and upload 7.10.3. [00:38] may as well, unless you think the mir is likely to go through soon [00:39] My thinking was to turn on llvm early, since we're going to *have* to turn it on soon anyway. [00:40] Yeah. I guess I'll undo the llvm bits and upload. [00:42] RAOF, btw if you get bored, take a look at the mesa bugs on http://www.bryceharrington.org/Arsenal/Reports/ubuntu-x-swat/workqueue-natty.html; only about half a dozen, but a couple are -nouveau bugs that maybe could use looked at since we're flipping on 3d now [00:42] (if you click on the Package header, it makes it easier to spot the mesa bugs) [00:46] Ah, yeah. There are one or two actual bugs in there. [00:59] kenvandine: Is there anywhere I can fetch a test copy of the Gwibber GTK3 port? I'd like to have a look and track its progress. [01:33] Is all my technology complaining about the cold or something? Come on, sbuild, I know you can start! [01:41] lol [01:41] RAOF: Whats weather like in Tassy these days? My mother is actually going down there to spend the weekend with one of her sisters. I expect its rather cold. [01:42] It's not that cold; it's just about 2C in the morning, and my office isn't well heated by the gas fire. [01:43] It gets up to 12ish, so not too cold. [01:44] Ok nothing new there, sometimes on the mountains it doesn't get above 5-6 degrees. [01:44] So she'll be used to it. [01:44] Yeah. It won't be as cold as the Blue Mountains in winter. [01:47] Yup seems so. [01:51] TheMuso, sure [01:51] lp:~ken-vandine/gwibber/libgwibber-o-client/ [01:51] you need libdee from my gwibber ppa too, ppa:ken-vandine/gwibber [01:52] build and run ./service/gwibber-streams and ./client/gwibber-client [01:57] kenvandine: Thanks. === asac_ is now known as asac [05:28] Good morning [05:30] good morning [05:31] didrocks: oh, you're up early! [05:31] Good morning pitti, didrocks! [05:31] pitti: yeah, enough sleep today :-) [05:32] hey RAOF [05:34] robert_ancell: btw, on yesterday's daily I still got the lightdm crash at start; it happens as soon as I press Enter, then a subsequent session works fine [05:35] robert_ancell: this sounds a lot like the "wrong vt" but that we used to have, i. e. it starts on vt1 first and then pressing enter is caughht by the underlying getty [05:35] pitti, are you building from bzr? [05:35] Yay vt fighting! [05:35] robert_ancell: do you have a mechanism that forces lightdm to start on vt7 the first time? [05:35] robert_ancell: no, I was just testing the daily [05:35] pitti, yes, set vt=7 in the config [05:35] robert_ancell: locally I'm currently running gdm3, as I'm still working on it [05:35] pitti, is the daily working? [05:36] robert_ancell: with the "first session crashes" bug above, otherwise yes [05:36] it shows a "GNOME" session which isn't installed, but I guess you know that already [05:36] robert_ancell: "yes, set vt=7 in the config" -> is that done by default now? [05:37] also, does it only apply to the first-ever X.org start? [05:37] pitti, it defaults to vt=active, which I think it should only do if it detects plymouth [05:37] Good morning pitti, didrocks. [05:38] hey TheMuso! [05:38] pitti, so where are you getting daily builds from? I didn't get them to work [05:38] didrocks: I am working on the qt at-spi packaging, however there are some license issues that need solving, mainly that the upstrea git repo doesn't have all the required license documents/headers present. [05:38] TheMuso: I've already done the packaging [05:38] robert_ancell: cdimage.u.c., as usual [05:38] I'm working with upstrea to fix that. [05:38] pitti, oh, so you're running 0.3.7 [05:39] TheMuso: hum, who asked you to do that? I think we need to be more synced. People asked me to backport a11y to Qt hence the work on it :) [05:39] didrocks: hrm ok, I have started to maintain it in debian pkg-a11y git. Have you got something somewhere that I can have a look at? The eventual plan is for the debian pkg-a11y team to maintain it. [05:39] TheMuso: there was already a package and it's in the ~kubuntu-ppa [05:39] didrocks: Right, but I thought that was only Qt proper. [05:39] didrocks: Yes, but it needs work. [05:40] TheMuso: I know about the licence and already pinged upstream about it, we need to avoid duplication there to not confuse them :) [05:40] didrocks: Ok. [05:40] TheMuso: then, you can backport to the pkg-a11y git I guess once we are happy with it, let's not depend on that right now [05:41] Yup sounds good. [05:41] nice :) [05:42] TheMuso: FYI, it's very crashy, but qt-at-spi seems to work from my tests [05:43] didrocks: Yeah from what I tested I had the same experience. [05:44] pitti: robert_ancell: about the "GNOME" session, it's because lightdm doesn't test the TryExec key [05:44] didrocks, do you know why we have xsession files installed but not have the session to run? [05:45] robert_ancell: because all "default debian session" are packed in gnome-session [05:45] robert_ancell: so I'm not really eager to move them, import translation and such, in other packages [05:46] didrocks, what is the .desktop file that causes the "GNOME" session? [05:46] robert_ancell: /usr/share/xsessions/gnome-shell.desktop I would say [05:46] let me check [05:47] robert_ancell: yeah, that one [05:47] oh, I'm still on natty so I don't see it [05:47] shouldn't it really be a part of the gnome-shell package? [05:47] oh, it's the shell? [05:48] I had assumed it was the panel fallback one [05:48] robert_ancell: well, as previously said, we have upstream translations [05:48] robert_ancell: so, moving it to another source would mean to move translations, sync everytime there is a change upstream [05:48] not sure we want to play that game [05:48] anyway, there is the TryExec key for that [05:48] didrocks, I guess I mean, "why don't they put it in the gnome-shell package" [05:48] lightdm should just test it [05:49] seems a bit of a roundabout way of doing things. Yeah, I need to add it, it is a standard freedesktop option [05:49] robert_ancell: GNOME always put their default sessions in gnome-session, can be something raised upstream as before, there was not really the notion of "session" [05:49] (like "session type") [05:51] pitti: it's the shell, at least, the fact that you see the panel fallback means that the fallback is still working ;) [05:51] didrocks: I don't see the fallback [05:52] didrocks: this is from a daily live CD [05:52] oh? [05:52] we don't install fallback by default [05:52] oh ok :) [05:52] yeah [06:10] session restart, brb [06:34] chrisccoulson: I followed up and subscribed [06:49] pitti, do you happen to know how to run a test d-bus? [06:57] robert_ancell: session bus is easy, just run the program under dbus-launch [06:57] you can't launch a system bus as user [06:57] you have to change programs to connect to the session bus when testing [06:57] pitti, but wont that conflict with the existing session bus? [06:57] that's what I did with e. g. upower [06:58] robert_ancell: no, it just changes $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS for the program you run under dbus-launch [06:58] you can run as many in parallel as you like [06:58] but of course they are isolated from each other [06:58] pitti, looking at upower source, where are the tests? [06:58] so you can't use it to test functinoality for a different program (like talking to the running gnome-session) [06:58] sure [06:59] robert_ancell: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/upower/tree/src/Makefile.am#n126 [06:59] -> call of the tests [07:00] http://cgit.freedesktop.org/upower/tree/src/linux/integration-test [07:00] -> actual tests [07:06] pitti, ta [07:11] this doesn't seem useful: http://blogs.gnome.org/dcbw/2011/06/14/networkmanager-and-dual-stack-addressing/ [07:13] yeah, read that this morning [07:13] yeah, it somehow turns the story upside down [07:14] most apps shouldn't care about ipv4 vs. ipv6 [07:14] if I can reach my server, why do I need to care about the "how" [07:15] and 60 sec is an awful long time to wait to reconnect after waking my computer from sleep [07:15] they still need to do some sane error handling, of course [07:15] i. e. being online doesn't imply that I can talk to all servers in the world [07:15] they might be down, or only on ipv6, etc. [07:17] agreed, if applications need to go to that level of handling for all services provided on the desktop… [07:23] pitti, yay, it worked! Thanks again! [07:26] robert_ancell: rockin' [07:26] robert_ancell: test suite for lightdm? [07:28] pitti, yeah, runs from bzr-buildpackage finally [07:29] actually, now I need to test in a pbuilder... [07:29] right, dbus-launch works wonders there, and it works on the buildds [07:29] pitti, hey, I also have to move the config file in the package, any tips? [07:29] guessing I need to make a preinst [07:29] robert_ancell: hang on [07:30] robert_ancell: there's http://www.dpkg.org/dpkg/ConffileHandling standard recipes, but they are obsolete now [07:30] I guess the head explain the new method [07:30] there is a new dpkg-maintscript-helper method now [07:30] The maintscript method is nice and easy. [07:30] http://wiki.debian.org/DpkgConffileHandling [07:30] pitti: robert_ancell ^ [07:31] didrocks wins the google race! [07:31] :-) [07:31] robert_ancell: man dpkg-maintscript-helper explains it quite nicely [07:31] * didrocks is used to google for "moving conffile" [07:31] works wonder, first result :) [07:31] the header has some world on dpkg-maintscript-helper [07:32] robert_ancell: do not forget to pre-depends on dpkg 1.15.7.2 for lucid -> next LTS upgrade [07:33] (otherwise, you can have an issue in the preinst) [07:34] didrocks, is there a package you can point me at that uses the new method? All the packages I have installed seem to use the old one [07:34] robert_ancell: sure, one sec [07:35] grep dpkg-maintscript-helper /var/lib/dpkg/info/* [07:35] robert_ancell: ^ plenty [07:35] ntpdate, for example [07:35] /var/lib/dpkg/info/ntpdate.preinst, /var/lib/dpkg/info/ntpdate.postinst, /var/lib/dpkg/info/ntpdate.postrm [07:35] aha! [07:36] uses mv_conffile [07:36] yeah, I found a rm_conffile, but there are examples on mv_conffile :) [08:01] robert_ancell: so, lightdm just crashed but I still see the session on the screen :( [08:01] micahg, can I haz stacktrace? [08:01] nope :( [08:02] X is gone too... [08:03] pitti - thanks [08:03] the user has got the updated language pack btw [08:03] you can tell that from the list of extensions he has installed :) [08:03] robert_ancell: ah, I have an X stacktrace though :) [08:04] One for the RAOF department then! [08:04] micahg: Pastebin! [08:04] RAOF: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/627128/ [08:05] RAOF: interesting snippet from the xorg log: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/627129/ [08:06] micahg: Ra raw! (Incidentally, pastebining the full Xorg.0.log is generally a much better idea). How reproducible is this? [08:06] Pastebins are cheap. *Always* paste full logs! [08:06] (Unless you have security concerns about their content) [08:06] * micahg always has security concerns ;) [08:06] ok, I'll catch up the plane for the Qt contributor summit. Will not be really online since I'm back on Saturday night, but you still can drop me an email [08:07] RAOF: [ 98665.710] (WW) intel(0): first get vblank counter failed: Invalid argument [08:07] see you guys! [08:07] micahg: Aaah, right. robert_ancell, you're up! You haven't set up the VT correctly :) [08:07] 5565 of those messages [08:08] I don't think there's ever anything particularly sensitive in Xorg.0.log. [08:08] * micahg is still wondering why he sees a screenshot of everything before it crashed [08:08] chrisccoulson: erm, so he does have firefox-locale-nl? [08:08] If I had the full log, I believe that we'd find that X can't claim the VT, resulting in the intel driver not being able to claim drm master, resulting in explosions. [08:08] RAOF, please explain [08:08] chrisccoulson: but it doesn't actually show in Dutch? [08:09] pitti - no, he's got the updated language-pack-nl-base, but no firefox-locale-nl [08:09] ok [08:09] but they are both in the very same archive, pocket, and even component [08:09] i. e. the same Packages.gz [08:09] I don't see how you can have one without the other [08:09] micahg: *Could* I get the full Xorg.0.log? [08:09] * micahg skims quick [08:10] micahg, you are running lightdm from upstart right? [08:10] robert_ancell: I believe so [08:10] micahg, have you got a lightdm log? [08:11] pitti - his extension list shows he's missing any firefox language pack extensions entirely, and because he has multiple firefox profiles, you can also tell that he used to have the firefox 4 language packs installed by looking at the profiles which he hasn't used since the upgrade [08:11] pitti - " /usr/lib/firefox-4.0.1/extensions/langpack-nl@firefox.mozilla.org.xpi does not exist (old profile?)" [08:12] RAOF: http://paste.ubuntu.com/627136/ [08:12] robert_ancell: yes, a minimal one [08:12] micahg: Thanks. Told you there was nothing security critical in there ;) [08:13] robert_ancell: what are you looking for out of it? [08:13] micahg, anything, just checking it's behaving as normal [08:14] everything seems fine until the end and it just records a signal 111 [08:14] *11 [08:14] micahg, from the X server? [08:14] yep [08:14] Hm. No, that's not what I thought it was. [08:16] the X server was killed from under lightdm, so lightdm quit gracefully :) [08:16] micahg: Could I have a (filtered, if you want ☺) dmesg corresponding to that Xorg.0.log? [08:17] It looks like something permission-related is screwed up and the intel driver is having a hissy fit. [08:17] micahg, well, it should have started another X server, but that's not implemented yet [08:17] RAOF: 2 segfaults, will pastebin [08:18] I'm particularly interested in any {drm,i915} messages, obivously. [08:18] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/627139/ [08:19] RAOF: ah, I have something else interesting: [ 1765.960027] [drm] GMBUS timed out, falling back to bit banging on pin 6 [i915 gmbus reserved] [08:20] 71 of those about 30 minutes after boot [08:20] If your monitors are on and have the right resolution that message probably isn't interesting. [08:21] it's a laptop using its internal screen [08:21] Hm. Was this crash at the lightdm login screen, or during regular use and just happened to additionally take down lightdm? [08:23] pitti - if you do "apt-get upgrade", then the recommends don't get installed [08:23] this was after being up for a day [08:23] i just tried it here [08:23] chrisccoulson: correct, that's its purpose [08:23] chrisccoulson: and apt-get upgrade is pretty broken really [08:23] folks need to use dist-upgrade, or update-manager [08:24] upgrade wouldn't work with a Depends: either, it would just hold back the packages [08:24] pitti - oh, i didn't realise that with the Depends: case [08:24] pitti - "I dont recall exactly if I used apt-get update/upgrade or update-manager" [08:24] i guess he used apt-get upgrade ;) [08:24] *nod* [08:24] micahg: So it was within a session, rather than at the greeter. This would make more sense, what with the intel driver apparently spontaneously going crazy. [08:25] yep [08:25] machine's been running hot too since the 3.0 kernel [08:26] There's nothing else drm-related in dmesg around the 95,000 second mark? I'll have to wander through the code to find where Invalid Argument could be returned. [08:27] nope [08:27] * micahg checks again [08:28] It's often annoying that i915 isn't more verbose when things go wrong. [08:30] RAOF: no, just apparmor denial messages (which I'll probably fix at the rally if I don't get to them before that) [08:32] Yeah. Silly i915. Why would you bother logging failed syscalls? [08:33] to fill up your disk? [08:33] :) [08:35] * RAOF reboots to test stuff. [08:38] robert_ancell: RAOF: do either of you need anything else from this session? I'm going to reboot the machine if not [08:39] micahg, no, I think I'm ok [08:46] hey desktopers [08:48] micahg: No, reboot away. [08:53] hey seb128 [08:56] hey chrisccoulson, how are you? [08:56] seb128, yeah, good thanks. how are you? [08:57] quite fine I think, let me finish my coffee before being sure ;-) [08:59] I assume the gnome-settings-daemon crash is well-known by now? [09:00] bonjour seb128 [09:00] Mmm, featureless grey. [09:00] WFM [09:01] Ah, ok. I'll see if it's a local problem then. [09:01] hey RAOF, which one? [09:01] After dinner, though. [09:01] hey pitti [09:02] seb128: Heh! Got lots? This one is apparently the one that I could very happily reproduce in gdb just five minutes ago but that now works. :) [09:03] RAOF, some over the cycles, one known race on login where the gdm instance didn't exit yet when the session one tries to start [09:03] It *might* be that it only happens in a gnome-shell session; it was segfaulting in gtk_ensure_icon_for_name or somesuch. [09:03] some other random or hard to debug ones [09:04] RAOF, hum, stacktrace would be interesting, could be the gnome-icon-theme split and the g-s session trying to load an icon pitti didn't put in the standard set [09:04] I don't have g-i-t-full either, and it's working fine here [09:04] seb128: That was my first thought; I've got gnome-icon* installed, though. [09:05] pitti, you are not using gnome-shell though? [09:05] Anyway, I'll log back into a gnome-shell session and post a full backtrace on launchpad for you. After dinner. :) [09:05] RAOF: oh, you are? [09:05] he's a traitror :p [09:05] RAOF: gnome-shell is missing a dependency to gnome-icon-theme-full [09:05] I have gonme-icon-theme-full installed. [09:05] RAOF: we just didn't add it yet to continue autosyncs for a while still [09:05] ok, so that's not it [09:05] ok, then it's not my bug :) [09:06] pitti, btw feel free to drop tomboy from the seeds if you want, I emailed the lists about it [09:06] FWIW, gdm 3 and gnome-screensaver already look like gnome-shell :) [09:06] seb128: ok [09:06] lightdm doesn't ;-) [09:06] robert_ancell, hey! [09:06] I was seeing if the Xorg pointer-barriers patch was working properly; only gnome-shell actually uses it. [09:06] seb128, hello [09:06] The shell looks pretty swanky. ;) [09:06] Even with a borken theme! [09:06] robert_ancell, how are you? [09:07] same old [09:07] ;-) [09:07] robert_ancell, can you fix bug #794315 [09:07] Launchpad bug 794315 in lightdm "lightdm forgets to source /etc/profile and ~/.profile" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/794315 [09:07] yes [09:07] should be trivial and I would get my ~/bin back in the path :p [09:07] seb128: kicked from the seeds [09:07] * RAOF → dinner [09:07] pitti, danke [09:07] robert_ancell, thanks [09:18] pitti, hi, can i tell apport-retrace to stop trying to search for the dbgsyms? it's totally broken in oneiric and it's painfully slow [09:18] fta: just run it as non-root [09:20] pitti, i do, it's still taking several minutes spitting hundreds of WARNINGS [09:20] pitti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/627166/ [09:21] gedit is painfully slow to load on my machine [09:21] firefox even starts faster than gedit [09:21] fta: you currently can't disable the warnings, yes [09:21] chrisccoulson, same here [09:22] gedit works fine there [09:22] fta, i'm glad it's not just me then ;) [09:22] did it start being slow recently for you? [09:22] well it's less than 1 second to start here [09:22] seb128, ever since we got the new version [09:22] so dunno if that's slow for you [09:25] evo3 crashes in gtk3 while opening a meeting invite: http://paste.ubuntu.com/627168/ [09:37] seb128: hm, I just rebooted, and g-s-d is now not running any more either [09:37] seems it's due to the very latest updates from this morning [09:37] pitti, stacktrace? [09:37] I can run it manually in a terminal [09:38] and did so now [09:38] seb128: I'll investigate [09:38] grep settings .xsession-errors? [09:38] morning pitti seb128 and mvo [09:38] pitti, ok [09:38] hey glatzor, how are you? [09:38] already checked, nothing standing out [09:38] hey glatzor! [09:38] fine and yourself, pitti and seb128 ? [09:38] pitti, can you pastebin it? [09:38] glatzor, I'm fine thanks ;-) [09:39] seb128: need to restart my session, it's cluttered with several g-s-d restarts right now [09:39] pitti, don't bother [09:40] we can see that later [09:40] no problem, I just want to submit my updated patches to bugzilla, then I'm done with udisks and get to this [09:40] grrr, thanks to mutt, i discovered i'm late for a meeting [09:43] hi desktop, morning's crash bug 797498 [09:43] Launchpad bug 797498 in gtk+3.0 "nm-applet crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_icon_source_set_pixbuf()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/797498 [09:43] not specific to nm-applet since it also affect gnome-settings-daemon [09:46] oh, perhaps that's the one we are currently looking at in g-s-d [09:47] same thing, I didn't have it running, but running from a terminal works [09:47] jibel, looks like my evolution crash too [09:47] * pitti blames new GTK :) [09:47] seb128, jibel: I'll restart my session with apport enabled, to see whether that's the same issue RAOF and I have [09:50] ok [09:50] hey jibel [09:50] hey rodrigo_, how are you? [09:50] Good morning rodrigo_ [09:50] hi seb128 [09:51] jibel, so, about the g-s-d's crash you had yesterday, whats the contents of /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon-3.0/gtk-modules, only the atk module? [09:52] bah, totally useless trace :/ [09:52] hmm, there's no -dbg package for at-spi2-atk [09:52] rodrigo_, yes [09:53] brb [09:56] jibel, can you install libgtk-3-0-dbg and see if you get a better backtrace? [10:00] jibel, and libglib2.0-0-dbg [10:00] rodrigo_, sure [10:01] re [10:01] jibel, pitti: works fine there but I don't dist-upgrade often, I tend to select updates, I've the new gtk though [10:01] I try to downgrade gtk to 3.1.4 and compare [10:03] pitti, you get it at every login? [10:04] have a stacktrace would be useful [10:04] I did some updates, let me restart [10:04] jibel, do you have glib 2.28 or 2.29 installed? [10:05] seiflotfy: yes, consistently [10:05] sorry, seb128 ^ [10:05] rodrigo_, there is a better trace in duplicate bug 796497 and bug 795392 [10:05] Launchpad bug 796497 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in __run_exit_handlers() (dup-of: 788710)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/796497 [10:05]