[00:00] ScottK: that's fine, I can file it upstream. I just wasn't sure what the proper place was so I thought I'd ask :-) [00:00] K [00:01] micahg: Technically what's going on is an abuse of conflicts. That's not what it's for. [00:06] well, it's kind of a bummer that KDE has the ability to display the notifications from GNOME apps but then I shouldn't have ubuntu-desktop installed [00:18] ScottK: maybe a thread on debian-devel would be worthwhile? [00:20] I don't know enough about the notification daemon to say one way of the other [00:51] micahg: Look at Debian Policy. It's pretty clear about conflicts. [01:20] ScottK: is kdepim testing in oneiric, or is there a chance 11.10 will revert to the old version? trying to figure out the wording [01:20] I assume it is going to be by default at this point [01:20] It is. [01:21] kk [01:21] It would take a pretty massive disaster to cause a revert. [01:21] I'm not even sure how we'd do it. [01:21] its not too bad, overall but I expect user hiccups [01:22] * claydoh needs to test it on his old laptop to see how much akonadi slows it down :) [01:22] i am not seeing too many issues with upgraders in kububtuforums or kde forums, tho there are some [01:55] ScottK: I think that some consider the notification-daemon something that can only have one at a time installed which you're suggesting is wrong [01:55] I think the question is whether or not it falls into that category [01:56] "Can only have one installed" generally means either filename conflicts or things like MTAs that sieze port25. [01:56] If the Gnome/Ubuntu thing would only run when it's native workspace is running, problem solved. [01:57] true, but that's not the case ATM [01:57] Alpha 3 ISOs up for testing. [01:57] Right, but that's the bug, not the lack of conflicts. [01:57] the daemons would need to be fixed to only run in their own env unless their the only one [01:57] the second one should be they're [01:58] I'm pretty sure the KDE one only runs in plasma. [01:58] well, the gnome one runs everywhere [01:58] Sounds like standard Gnome is the OS, so we don't have to care about anything else. [01:58] cf recent discussions about systemsettings. [01:59] this comes from Debian, it's not Ubuntu specific AFAIK [01:59] If it's libnotify, then it's Gnome. [01:59] apachelogger: Are you going to the desktop summit? [02:00] ScottK: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Alpha3/Kubuntu [02:01] claydoh: Thanks. [02:01] can add more tomorrow, but it will be later [02:01] micahg: You can't install multiple -desktop packages anymore ? [02:01] I am lucky to even have a partial day off this week :( [02:02] Daskreech: not ubuntu/xubuntu at least [02:02] feeding hungry shoppers during back-to-school sales makes christmas shopping crowds feel small === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Computing | Alpha 3 candidate testing: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ | TODO: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-kubuntu.html | Congratulations yofel [02:03] micahg: on what basis? [02:04] bug 737324 [02:04] Launchpad bug 737324 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu Oneiric) "xubuntu-desktop conflicted with ubuntu-desktop in natty" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/737324 [02:04] * Daskreech snorts [02:04] * micahg used to do it all the time, but there's bad interactions now unfortunately, even xubuntu+unity doesn't behave properly [02:06] The language of that seems less like "We need to fix this soon" and more like " Well some user won't install two packages at the same time so no user should do so" [02:10] Daskreech: it's more like there are more important things to fix, patches welcome === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech [03:01] should notifications show up for resuming? I get both a power management and network management notifications on resume [03:01] I didn't think that happened before upgrading to 4.7 [03:06] You should get those. [03:18] ScottK: really? that's kinda annoying [03:19] Wait. [03:19] Actually I think we got those before and they went away in 4.6. [03:19] So I believe that would be a regression of some kind. [03:19] I see [03:19] they were supposed to go away in 4.6+? [03:19] * ScottK suspends to see. [03:21] In 4.6 I get networking system disabled and screen is being locked. [03:21] Nothing about resume. [03:21] So I'd call it a bug. [03:21] * ScottK wonders if afiestas can help us with that. [03:22] it's seems weird to get notifications just from resuming [03:24] KDE's notifications can be 'a bit verbose'. [03:25] I do want notifications of a network disconnecting, but it seems a bit obvious when resuming [03:25] even more so with screen locking [03:26] I find the icon with the x enough notification the network is dead, but everyone no doubt has their own view. [03:26] right [03:26] there are good icons [03:26] seems a bit much to have notifications [03:26] I think those are controllable. [03:27] I can turn off the whole app [03:27] If you find there's a setting for that, we can change the default. [03:27] *notifications for [03:28] "Network management disabled" is the only action that is applied in Network Management [03:28] *action that has notifications [03:30] the description says "The network management subsystem was stopped or restarted" [03:30] that seems like something that you wouldn't necessary want a popup for [03:59] Yep [04:02] If you can diff ~/.kde/share/config/networkmanagementrc with it enabled and disabled, we can eliminate it from the default. [05:04] damn i wish i could help on the kubuntu web stuff @ todo [05:05] i'm a web developer with time issues. :( [05:17] ScottK: bug #820183 [05:17] Launchpad bug 820183 in kubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "network management notifications should be off by default" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/820183 === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin [07:45] morning [08:04] micahg: how is the gnome notification-daemon started? dbus activation? [08:23] is there 4.7 for natty yet? [08:24] in the backports ppa it is [08:25] Any of you folks getting weird taskbar issues? I'm getting 2 rows even when setting it to force 1, also the taskbar only has 4 apps on it so shouldn't be triggeringanyway, plus it's putting on app on far right another one space to right as if there was a phantom other one on the bar.. I'll screenshot it [08:35] ulysses: thank you [08:35] (I am upgrading now) [08:35] jussi :) === hunger_ is now known as hunger [08:58] re === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [09:41] !info libalure1 [09:41] libalure1 (source: alure): AL Utilities REtooled (shared library). In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-2 (natty), package size 21 kB, installed size 96 kB [09:41] !info libalure1 oneiric [09:41] libalure1 (source: alure): AL Utilities REtooled (shared library). In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1-3 (oneiric), package size 48 kB, installed size 172 kB [09:41] ScottK: Can I have a sync from Debian? ^ [09:49] ScottK: yes [09:50] ScottK: also I propose that I try to get a mobile meeting from/while DS [09:50] otherwise I'll just slap the people with my wisdom until they fall over or something === mgraesslin is now known as mgraesslin_nb === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin === Bodia__ is now known as Bodia [11:21] apachelogger: ping? [11:50] mgraesslin: pong [11:51] apachelogger: hey, I have an audio setup problem with phonon :-) [11:52] I have wonderful audio in vlc, but with phonon-vlc there is nothing [11:52] any ideas? [11:54] nothing? :O [11:54] mgraesslin: Does the progress slider move? [11:54] mgraesslin: Also, do you use pulse? [11:55] I click on the test button and there is just no audio [11:55] and no I do not use pulse (at least I hope so) [11:55] Oh never mind the test button. [11:56] Also you should use PA :P [11:56] Particularly with phonon vlc. [11:56] no PA is for me no option [11:56] I use SPDIF output [11:56] maelcum fixed some ALSA only stuff only yesterday. [11:56] The device enum stuff is epic fail. [11:57] is there any way that phonon-vlc just uses the settings from vlc? [11:58] Nope. [11:58] Well, not WRT audio device selection anyway. [12:03] Quintasan: File a sync bug. I can't do those directly. [12:04] apachelogger: Can you talk to Plasma people about the problem of plasma-netbook not getting started until after applications started from a saved session? [12:04] That's the cause of the notifications problem Laserjock was having and many other ills. [12:12] We could really use some ISO testing. [12:15] I'll do some in a bit [12:15] Great. [12:32] Tm_T: Are you up for some powerpc ISO testing? [12:36] ScottK: do you know if we can avoid pulling xterm onto the cd? [12:36] Should be able to. [12:36] I think the problem is that xorg depends on xterm | x-terminal-emulator and is seeded in desktop-common [12:37] xterm is seeded or xorg? [12:37] xorg [12:37] Sounds like a germinate issue we should discuss with cjwatson as IIRC konsole provides x-terminal-emulator. [12:41] it does [12:42] ok [12:43] debfx: Will you do this? [12:51] yep [12:53] apachelogger: just for the record: audio working with phonon-gstreamer [12:56] oh wow, I love you kde 4.7! [12:56] Sput: my quassel now gets backlog in like 3 seconds, instead of about 90... [12:56] jussi: put kde 4.7 down you don't know where it's been [12:56] jussi: what did you change? [12:56] davmor2: but, but, she's beautiful! [12:57] Sput: installed kde 4.7 from backports ppa... [12:57] KDE should not have any influence on quassel's performance [12:57] did you upgrade postgres by chance? [12:58] Sput: err, I havent changed anything on the server (to my knowledge) [12:58] tsimpson: also admins that server [12:58] interesting :) [12:58] Sput: could it be an updated Qt thing? [12:58] I wouldn't think so [12:59] usually backlog fetch is limited by the database [12:59] but who knows what was broken [12:59] Sput: yeah, it just always had this big delay before it started [12:59] getting it was always quick, once it started [13:36] mgraesslin: yes, talk to maelcum, he fixed something in phonon vlc yesterday... git master I think [13:48] now I has 8GB memory [13:57] Quintasan: yay, now add this to your fstab ;) [13:57] tmpfs /var/cache/pbuilder/build tmpfs rw,size=7G 0 0 [13:59] Sigh. [13:59] Kmail is total fail so far. [13:59] ScottK: ppc-iso? yes [14:00] steveire: We have a bunch of akonadi crash bugs in Launchpad that it would be really helpful if we could get an upstream person to look at and see what's worth forwarding to bugs.kde.org. [14:00] Tm_T: yes. [14:00] apachelogger: Can you teach akonadi that it should talk to dr. konqi instead of apport when it crashes? [14:22] OK. Kmail2 is officially too hard for me. [14:23] Kmail is one of the reasons I started using KDE ... [14:23] * ScottK installs claws-mail. [14:29] Bam. Configured and working. [14:32] ScottK: VERY difficult [14:32] apachelogger: OK. Then we need a minion to review bugs and forward them. [14:32] the only reason drkonqi works for kapps is because it is tightly integrated into kapplication [14:33] it is not like you go oh, crash, lets start drkonqi :S [14:33] ScottK: bug minions we need anyway [14:33] There's a large stack of untriaged crash bugs sitting there waiting. [14:33] I was kinda thinking the dark winged duck was saying that he would look for people... [14:33] Convenient for him he's not around. [14:34] Maybe valorie knows someone? [14:34] * yofel is still trying to figure out how to set the trash folder of his IMAP acc. as trash for that account [14:34] akonadi doesn't seem to like me [14:34] I can even get kmail2 configured. [14:34] It complains it can't reach akonadi and dies. [14:35] never happened here [14:35] (which I can confirm is actually running) [14:35] It's downloaded my mail and just wants some GUI to talk to. [14:36] Getting claws-mail working took about a minute. [14:39] anyone an idea why digikam can't use the geolocation plugin in oneiric btw.? [14:39] it just says "Geolocation using Marble not available" [14:40] Dif we build marble against the right libs for that? [14:40] Dif/Did === bambee_ is now known as bambee [15:17] maco: I was able to do a Kubuntu live install. \o/ [15:17] yay! [15:17] so when i get back from pennsic i can start working on the accessibility part, now that the cd isnt crashing [15:18] (no way am i getting any ubuntu stuff done between now and feature freeze. i'm leavng for the 16th century on saturday) [15:22] Ahahahahahah! [15:23] yofel: Now I can buildz Qt in tmpfs too [15:23] :D [15:24] * yofel does some DVD iso testing [15:25] ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/820441 [15:25] Ubuntu bug 820441 in Ubuntu "Sync libalure1 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,New] [15:25] can't you sync that yourself? [15:27] *sigh* - akonadi_nepomuk_email_feeder is using ~900MB RAM again... [15:27] yofel: Can I? [15:27] Quintasan: from what I see libalure1 is in universe [15:27] * Quintasan noticed there is no clear outline on what one can do with -dev [15:27] OR I failed to find one [15:28] Quintasan: Did you test build the new version? [15:28] ScottK: I did for one-eye-rick [15:28] It would be useful to mention that in the bug [15:29] Sir, yes sir! [15:31] ScottK: Can I actually sync that myself or I need some other magic to do that? [15:31] Do we have a sync button now? [15:32] *shrug* [15:32] * Quintasan looks [15:32] Quintasan: Check and make sure sludge still builds with the new alure. [15:58] ScottK: It does [15:59] Quintasan: OK. Then since it's in Universe, you can approve the bug and subscribe ubuntu-archive. [15:59] (make it confirmed) [16:00] In the future, requestsync is really handy for such things. [16:54] <_Groo_> auehauehuahe apachelogger you are the man! :D [16:55] <_Groo_> see http://paste.ubuntu.com/658043/ [16:55] <_Groo_> i looooove errors :D [16:58] o/ all. [16:59] Just found an error with the 4.7 upgrade packaging [16:59] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/amarok_2%3a2.4.1-1ubuntu1~natty1~ppa2_i386.deb (--unpack): [16:59] trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/apps/kconf_update/amarok.upd', which is also in package amarok-common 2:2.4.0.90-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa2 [16:59] jussi: amarok is not part of 4.7.0 [17:00] ScottK: hrm... [17:00] its in the backports ppa though? [17:00] Yes, just not 4.7.0 [17:00] oh [17:00] well the upgrade had an issue there, I assume people want to see that error. [17:01] Yes. [17:02] I guess debfx should fix his pacakge. [17:08] debfx: I don't really know how the gnome notification-daemon works [17:08] * debfx blames that maverick beta backport [17:09] micahg: I guess the ubuntu and xubuntu notification-daemons both use dbus activation and therefore have to conflict [17:10] debfx: ah, does plasma not do that? [17:10] nope, basically it autostarts its notification daemon [17:19] ah, I guess it doesn't need to conflict then [17:20] but should probably provide it at least [17:23] IIRC it does [17:28] apachelogger: got an ETA when http://wm161.net/2011/08/01/mind-the-gap/ will end up in a phonon-gst release? [17:30] * yofel gives bambee a hug in the meanwhile :) [17:31] Speaking of which ... [17:32] bambee: We should schedule a Kubuntu Council meeting to review your Kubuntu membership application. Did you finish it yet? [17:34] ScottK: it's finish, it's on the wiki :) [17:34] yofel: hehe thanks :D [17:34] bambee: Excellent. Can you make up a Doodle poll and send it to kubuntu-devel so we can pick a time? [17:34] yofel can help you figure out how if you need it. [17:35] yes, some help is welcome :) [17:35] pretty intuitive, don't forget to turn on time zone support though [17:37] ScottK: the problem is , I am absent the next week , from the 6th august to the 13 th august :\ [17:37] (I am on vacation and not at home during a week) [17:37] OK. [17:37] so we can schedule a meeting friday.. or in two weeks [17:38] Try one for Friday. [17:38] :D [17:50] http://www.doodle.com/f3v9k6vpycesgm2b [17:51] bambee: email kubuntu-devel too. [17:51] ok [17:51] bambee: the first time appears as 8PM for me, correct? [17:52] yofel: yes, 8PM UTC [17:52] ah UTC, the page doesn't say that [17:52] doodle has time zone support too btw. [17:53] Oh. [17:53] Need to redo mine. [17:53] yofel: refresh now [17:53] (I added a comment :p) [17:53] thanks [17:53] darkwingduck, apachelogger, Riddell: ^^^ [17:53] bambee: are you also going to be at Pennsic?? [17:53] maco: gné? [17:53] guess that means no [17:54] I did not understand your question [17:54] ScottK: Looking at it and doing the UTC to my zone math :) === darkwingduck is now known as DarkwingDuck [17:54] maco: ^ [17:54] * yofel should be in berlin by 5pm [17:55] bambee: im going to be gone the same days too, but i'll be in a tent with this group http://www.flame.org/~explorer/album/pennsic-27/arial/pennsic-27-207.jpg in this atmosphere http://www.housetaivassalama.com/Pennsic06-3.jpg [17:56] ah :) [17:57] Fixed. [18:02] * bambee poke apachelogger [18:02] Okay, updated. [18:06] apachelogger: http://doodle.com/f3v9k6vpycesgm2b === sikon is now known as lucidfox === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde [19:10] Princess Butterfly ? lool :D [19:11] I saw that too [19:11] :D [19:14] hehe :) [19:17] No wondering who that is. [19:45] ScottK: for some reason we have the quickaccess widget on the desktop, but after installing alternate i386 'plasma-widget-quickaccess' isn't installed [19:46] yofel: I already filed a bug about this. [19:46] ok [19:46] http://launchpad.net/bugs/805960 [19:46] Ubuntu bug 805960 in kubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "quickaccess widget not found" [Medium,Fix committed] [19:46] Err, actually I found a bug apachelogger had filed. [19:47] k [19:47] * yofel looks for a bug about wrong keyboard layout after install [20:00] somone could upload KDS I suppose [20:00] now let's find out why the blur effect doesn't work... [20:00] New candidate ISOs up for testing. [20:01] apachelogger: After Alpha 3 is out. [20:01] We need a new knds too. [20:01] ah, desktop isos are done :) === yofel_ is now known as yofel [21:19] Need some testing people .... [21:56] steveire: I'm having a severe problem with kmail configuration and focus stealing with plasma-netbook. Who would be the best kdepim person to discuss that with? [22:00] No taco boy when you need him. [22:01] WTF "Allow the installation of untrusted packages" by default. [22:11] New DVD up. Needs testing. [22:23] claydoh: Bug #820638 needs to be documented in known issues. [22:23] Launchpad bug 820638 in muon (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Muon defaults insecure" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/820638 [22:25] O_O [22:28] ScottK: lol, can't even get in the door :) [22:29] though adding an item sure beats my work day - *all* the windows in the restaurant had rocks thrown through them early this am, and then both refrigerators for the sandwich stations died [22:29] Ouch. [22:29] yet we were able to open for biz almost on time [22:29] Nice [22:30] glass everywhere literally [22:30] Wow. [22:31] ya, and no evidence on who did it, tho I could name a couple of suspects [22:31] ScottK: I'll be able to test soon. [22:31] so now it is Miller Time [22:32] DarkwingDuck: Great. Did you respond to the KC doodle poll? [22:32] tho i don't drink [22:32] I was the second one to add a name. [22:32] 'cept I did it with my real name. :D [22:33] ScottK: I'll be able to test tomorrow, in the morning [22:34] Great. [22:34] Oh, sure enough. [22:51] jussi: The current ops grants in this channel for KC membership are out of date, I was wondering if you would update them? [23:11] steveire: I filed KDE bug 279336. [23:11] KDE bug 279336 in general "Kmail config wizard retains focus - makes initial configuration on plasma-netbook almost impossible" [Major,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=279336