[07:04] good morning [07:05] top of the morning to you [07:12] pip pip [07:18] dholbach: I love this.... debianlp:packagename [07:18] :) [07:18] :) [07:19] improved my workflow significantly [07:31] evening [07:49] good morning [08:05] morning [08:05] elfy: re your email bug, IS would be the best place to raise that issue if you've not done so already, #canonical-sysadmin [08:06] k - I'll pop in there today and see if I can find one [08:06] thanks czajkowski [08:06] if you look at the topic you'll see who is on vanguarg [08:06] *vanguard [08:06] ok - cheers [08:23] czajkowski: thanks - got that ball rolling now [08:23] cool [08:23] yeah it's IS that deals with RT tickets and only if it needs to be escalated come to other people [08:23] any issues shout [08:24] I see - it's all a bit new to me obviously, I did know about canonical-sysadmin - but it's one of those places I forget about [08:24] no worries [08:25] we all learn :) [08:26] indeed :) [08:37] Morning elfy, czajkowski! Good weekend? [08:38] hi nigelb - was pretty good thanks :) [08:39] yes fine thanks [08:39] I got my raspberry pi working on saturday. Now I'm wondering what more to do with it :) [08:53] gnight folks [08:56] g'nite bkerensa === jrgifford is now known as Guest71950 === vibhav is now known as Guest25167 [11:08] dholbach: czajkowski i got a new appointment 10/10 :) [11:08] great! :) [11:08] * dholbach hugs daker [11:09] daker: that's great news! === jrgifford is now known as Guest25622 [12:44] daker: \o/ [12:45] :) === mhall119_ is now known as mhall119 === jcastro__ is now known as jcastro === jcastro_ is now known as jcastro [13:56] snap-l, [13:56] "What if Ubuntu locks into your Facebook or Google+ account, downloads your contacts, and starts sending them recommendations based on your searches? " [13:56] that is an /excellent/ idea! [13:57] jcastro: I may not know where you live now, but I think the extra casualties would agree with my mission. [13:57] ;) [13:57] heh [13:57] your Google account can be added in the online thing btw. [13:58] jcastro: I figured. : [13:58] :) [13:58] I wasn't expecting all this drama though [13:59] I live out of amazon so for me this is awesome [13:59] I already met my UPS guy at the new place, we're going to be best pals [13:59] Yeah, but there's a fine line between awesome and creepy when it comes to recommendations [13:59] "Hey, you'd like the new Rush album" is different than "Hey, I think you'd like this new leopard print underwear" [13:59] sure sure [14:00] obviously it needs some tweaking [14:00] * jcastro saw the bug about the nsfw results [14:00] Yeah, that one is tricky [14:00] on the one hand, if you're an adult: grow up. If you're a minor, you should have some time to grow up [14:02] jcastro, enjoying the weather btw? [14:03] it's fall now :) [14:03] no [14:03] it's chilly [14:03] but the trees are nice [14:03] balloons: speaking of weather, what happened to our state? [14:03] it's....nice outside [14:03] mhall119, ROFL [14:03] jcastro: It's just Michigan winter giving you a little hug [14:03] I was going to ask what you meant [14:04] yes mhall119 it's going to be prefect until next May [14:04] I <3 Florida [14:04] the screen porch is open this morning, pleasant outside breeze [14:05] Temperature: 46.9 F (8.3 C) [14:07] wow snap-l, that's cold [14:09] mhall119: cold is 16 degress here and raining all day long :( [14:09] Nah, I have a short-sleeved shirt on. [14:09] mhall119: how you gonna cope in copenhagen :p [14:09] Heck, after winter, people are out in shorts and t-shirts in 40F weather. [14:10] I just ordered a set of air filters through the shopping lens [14:10] I'm not saying they're sane, but people do it. [14:10] jcastro: I need easy access to Amazon like I need another hole in my head that takes deliveries. ;) [14:10] czajkowski: layers :) [14:11] mhall119: bring your winter coat if you even have one [14:11] JoseeAntonioR, hey, Joey is going to join us on the hangout [14:11] jcastro: Did I ever tell you about the time the FedEx and UPS drivers were having a conversation on my porch at the apartments? [14:11] hahaha nice [14:11] czajkowski: I'm a Floridian [14:11] hey man, if I am going to pay amazon all this money might as well make some of it count for something [14:11] my winter coat is a sweater [14:12] there has definately been a lotta hooopla over the new lens, me I think it's great :D [14:12] jcastro: Oh absolutely. Here's my affiliate link. ;) [14:12] mhall119: bless :p [14:13] (and no, I'm not opposed to Canonical making money off of me, but I'm concerned at the number of turds in the punchbowl every release) [14:13] wouldnt refer to them as turns [14:13] *turds [14:13] that's a bit rude to the developers work tbh [14:14] czajkowski: You're right, that is rude. [14:14] what sucks about this release? [14:14] Fruit and vegetable jello [14:14] I mean really it's just previews this time around on the desktop [14:14] jcastro: No idea. I'm sticking with 12.04 [14:14] and lenses are generally just additions [14:15] nothing wrong with that [14:16] 12.04.1 is kick ass [14:16] my concern is the encroaching monetization [14:16] shrug, as long as it's done well I don't care too much [14:16] it's not like there's ads on your wallpaper [14:16] jcastro: And when it isn't? [14:16] if people don't like it they don't have to use it [14:17] *shrugs* [14:17] well, I trust we won't do it horribly [14:17] And that's the other thing, the "Grin and bear it" mentality. [14:17] and for some comparison [14:17] the next time you have a friend who buys a new laptop [14:17] snap-l: IMO, somebody making money by providing me things I want, is better than them making money by selling another company my time or attention [14:17] watch him/her do a first boot and set up on that thing [14:17] jcastro: Yeah, I know. I'd like to think Ubuntu could have a higher standard than Windows [14:17] we're totally on a different scale than what most PCs put user's through [14:17] we do [14:18] basically, by taking a cut ot the sale, instead of per-view or per-click advertising, it's in Canonical's interest to show me what I want, and not what I don't want [14:18] Again, I have no problem with Canonical making money [14:18] but at what point does it become more about pleasing Amazon, and not about pleasing the user? [14:18] We've seen that with PCs [14:19] I just typed "Rush in cleveland" and I can buy the blu-ray. How is that not the awesomest thing ever. [14:19] We've seen that with carrier-provided phones [14:19] snap-l: many users are very pleased with this [14:19] people seem to be forgetting a lot of people are happy [14:19] jcastro: which joey? [14:19] jus tthe unhappy ones are rather loud [14:19] JoseeAntonioR, OMG joey [14:19] Sneddon, then [14:19] and so many blogs spreading cruft as well [14:19] jcastro: can you please add him to ubuntuonair.com? [14:19] * JoseeAntonioR is leaving for his visa interview in 15, wish me luck [14:19] snap-l: this way of gaining revenue makes Canonical dependent on the user's experience [14:20] so it's in our best interest to make your personal experience better and more efficient [14:20] JoseeAntonioR: good luck [14:20] thanks, czajkowski, hope to see you there [14:20] JoseeAntonioR, yeah [14:20] me too sergio is still mid process [14:21] really would like to meet Sergio also [14:21] yep, he's getting his passport today [14:21] mhall119: Perhaps I'm concerned over nothing, but I've just witnessed another company killing an ecosystem I love over chasing a potential customer (Logitech Squeezebox became the crippled UE Smart Radio) [14:21] I mean,. the physical passport [14:21] he's only getting his passport now... [14:21] People may be happy, but I'm not particularly thrilled. [14:22] also never compare me to Logitech again craig. [14:22] :) [14:22] snap-l: in this case, we're not going after Amazon, we're not getting anything from them that they don't offer to everybody already [14:22] jcastro: Just can see some disturbing parallels. [14:22] Amazon was chosen because it was something we could easily integrate with, and it was something our existing users already used [14:22] mhall119: nods it's a good choice [14:23] people talking about Amazon. [14:23] jcastro: we're starting at 18, right? [14:23] mhall119: Agreed. And I hope I'm just a fool for thinking Canonical could go that route. [14:23] JoseeAntonioR, the page says 1700 [14:23] which one is it again? [14:23] oops, 17 then [14:23] * JoseeAntonioR is confused [14:23] snap-l, it's good to know you hold us in such esteemed company as logitech [14:24] jcastro: I had high regard for Logitech before this UE nonsense [14:24] really? [14:24] jcastro: Really. [14:24] I could feel something like this coming from them [14:24] sort of abandoned thing ... [14:24] then I saw the UE stuff and thought "relaunch, cool." [14:25] jcastro: Squeezebox was open, and had a longstanding record of supporting a community [14:25] jcastro: When I saw the UE initially, I though "Cool cheaper Radio" [14:25] then the other shoe dropped. [14:25] No support for current Squeezebox stuff [14:26]

but at what point does it become more about pleasing Amazon, and not about pleasing the user? [14:26] no linux support at all! [14:26] it has _nothing_ to do with pleasing amazon [14:26] It's like "Hey folks, you helped us keep this platform going, and we really appreciate it. That's why we're discontinuing it and telling you all to go for a toss" [14:26] jcastro: There's still support. [14:26] popey: that does seem to the fud that people are very confused about [14:27] its not just amazon [14:27] other stores are searched too [14:27] popey: I know it's not there currently [14:27] yes, it is [14:27] popey: The pleasing Amazon part [14:28] jcastro: The biggest change in the SB stuff is having to use their big UE server [14:28] snap-l: there isn't any special deal here with amazon [14:28] mhall119: Understood [14:28] everybody, even you, can get an affiliate code from them [14:28] I understand that, and I have a code [14:29] that's all we're using [14:29] my concern (however unfounded) is at some point it becomes more than a code, much like the software center became more than a repo of software. Software center is now a store. (which is not a bad thing). [14:30] once it hits that threshold of being more than a store, it becomes subject to Amazon's input. [14:30] USC is still really just a frontend for repo packages [14:30] people still seem to have it in their head that canonical are out to screw the users at every turn [14:30] It may never get to that point [14:30] despite no real evidence to back that up [14:31] popey: clearing moving the window controls to the left was an attempt at world domination [14:31] popey: You're right, of course. [14:31] you know who else moved things to the left? Stalin. [14:31] popey: But there is a sense of unease that I get with each of these that perhaps this is the maneuver to start dismantling the community. [14:31] jcastro: will be back 5-10 mins before we start, if I don't appear just start without me and I'll join [14:31] ok [14:32] snap-l, I think you're being a bit cynical [14:32] even more than normal I mean [14:32] popey: Again, unfounded [14:32] jcastro: It's a gift. [14:32] snap-l: how on earth can this be seen as dismantling the community ? [14:33] * popey runs around with his arms in the air [14:33] the sky is falling! [14:33] etc [14:34] czajkowski: When decisions that impact users negatively are made without their consent. [14:34] popey: Yeah, I know. I'm overreacting [14:34] snap-l: it's not at all a negative impact [14:34] and yes people are over reacting [14:34] which also helps spread fud [14:34] czajkowski: Truth. [14:34] I don't see how this is negative, tbh I was surprised at all the drama [14:34] (other than the bugs of course, transmitting in plaintext should be fixed, etc.) [14:35] jcastro: It's because we are techies. We don't trust corporations to do the right thing by users. [14:35] We're a suspicious lot [14:35] that's fine. shrug. [14:37] snap-l: dont lump me in that bracket [14:37] I'm a techie and do trust canonical [14:37] also they;ve not done anything to not have my trust [14:38] czajkowski: And I too trust Canonical. They have root on my machine, y'know. ;) [14:38] *headdesk* [14:38] czajkowski: I'm just messing [14:38] ok am gonna do some work not gonna have circular conversations all day long [14:38] it's ok [14:38] I'll punch craig for you next time I see him [14:39] czajkowski: I don't see this Amazon lens as that big of a deal. I just get concerned. That's all [14:39] fair enough, and there are certainly bugs to fix there [14:39] bkerensa, around? [14:41] http://blog.launchpad.net/performance/parallel-testing-is-live <-- some good news for devs [14:44] a healthy amount of skepticism is ok snap-l :-) [14:44] balloons: Thank you. :) [14:44] we wouldn't want less [14:44] And I appreciate the work involved. It is pretty neat to see what's come about with Unity. [14:44] I'm thankful we have a community that can talk about these things. [14:45] snap-l: indeed [14:46] just would be nicer if there was less fud going around is all [14:46] there's always going to be complaining [14:46] czajkowski: definitely. [14:46] if I gave craig 10 bucks he'd complain about the denomination. [14:46] :) [14:47] jcastro: I'd complain that it wasn't a crisp $10 bill. [14:47] ;) [14:48] jcastro: SPeaking of which, I still owe you a 24 pack of beer for that bet I lost about marketshare. [14:49] yep [14:49] I have no furniture yet, as soon as I do I'll have you guys over [14:50] you know, so we can get drunk, watch Rush, I can inject my amazon affiliate code in your computer. [14:50] http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8 [14:50] jcastro: is that what the kids are calling it these days? === jono is now known as Guest22688 [14:51] I should have gone with combined IOS / Mac. :) [14:53] hey jono [14:57] morning [14:58] dholbach, all set? [14:58] yep [14:58] hey philballew [15:00] mhall119, ready for the call? [15:00] dpm_: give me 5 minutes? [15:01] mhall119, sure, I'll start the hangout and you can join when ready [15:08] hey dholbach, are you on this call? [15:09] jcastro, in a call with jono [15:09] hmm, does anyone else have access to OMG? to submit a story? [15:10] bkerensa, has written articles iirc. [15:10] dpm_: did you start the hangout? [15:10] jcastro, just email joey? [15:10] mhall119, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/afbf16dd0b7ea432dbcfa958ad1805eddda140e3?authuser=0&hl=en [15:11] popey, yeah no response yet [15:11] The top link on r/linux today is a bug about amazon search in 12.10 showing adult products... [15:11] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054282 [15:11] Launchpad bug 1054282 in unity-lens-shopping "No obvious way to restrict shopping suggestions from displaying adult products" [Undecided,Confirmed] [15:12] i'd be more worried if the reddit link _didn't_ have a bug associated with it [15:12] but it does, so the team know, so all is good :) [15:12] good point [15:13] the single person making most noise about this that I've seen happens to be Red Hat employee. Fancy that. [15:13] I would think the adult products is an issue that should be addressed -- having three kids using Ubuntu [15:15] We want to avoid a "Mommy, whats that?" [15:17] Some people just like to be negative. [15:18] JoseeAntonioR, hey can you add the disqus html part as a comment on the ubuntuonair page? [15:18] that way I can just uncomment it right before we go. [15:30] dpm_, will be two mins [15:32] jono_, ok [15:33] dpm_, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/880a0e84f8a93afc532ea47b2cf920237f0d3ba2?authuser=0&hl=en-US [15:46] jcastro, you doing an ubuntuonair today? [15:46] yeah [15:46] in ~1:15ish [15:47] your post says 20th sept [15:47] which post? [15:47] on G+ [15:47] i re-shared it.. now deleted [15:47] ahh, its the site [15:48] Monday, 2012-09-20, 17:00 UTC. [15:48] got it [15:48] sigh [15:48] rookie mistake castro! [15:49] worst nickname ever [16:00] hum, is it possible to have javascript in WP pages? [16:01] yes [16:01] ok [16:02] http://www.labnol.org/software/javascript-in-wordpress/19396/ [16:02] thanks a bunch daker [16:05] huh FYI dholbach some scenes of Game of thrones (S3) will be in Morocco :D [16:05] that doesn't surprise me [16:06] they shoot everything in Morocco and tell people afterwards that it was "the moon" or Tibet or whatever other part of the world the movie is supposed to play in [16:08] :) [16:09] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_films_shot_in_Morocco looks much too short :) [16:11] dholbach: you need http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_films_shot_secretly_in_Morocco [16:11] haha [16:11] :) [16:15] HAHAH elfy you made my day :D [16:17] daker: glad to be of service :) [16:47] alright my friends - dinner time over here - see you tomorrow [18:07] jono_: cd email :) please before my mail box and irc pings go more insane [18:07] czajkowski, I am waiting on sg [18:08] cool thank you [18:08] np [18:32] jcastro: yo? [18:45] jcastro: I just pinged joey about the thing you e-mailed me on === JoseAntonioR is now known as JoseeAntonioR === mhall119_ is now known as mhall119 === Pici is now known as Guest97343 === Guest97343 is now known as Pici [18:57] jcastro_: ping [18:57] JoseeAntonioR: when are we doing this [18:57] ? [18:58] bkerensa: seems like jcastro_ started an hour before :S [18:58] and we're done now :S [18:58] what? [18:58] go to ubuntuonair.com, the hangout is done [18:58] JoseeAntonioR: ugh [18:59] [15:46:43] in ~1:15ish [18:59] urgh [18:59] all the announcements said 17:00, which was 2 hours ago [19:00] yeah, I miscalculated the time [19:00] JoseeAntonioR: you even checked before you left... [19:00] JoseeAntonioR: uh so not 19:00 UTC? [19:00] yeah, I know [19:00] nope, 17 utc [19:00] I was wondering why it was quiet [19:01] this last one was confusing [19:01] we changed times like 3 times [19:03] the site said 1700 === jcastro_ is now known as jcastro [19:04] JoseeAntonioR, hey so I couldn't figure out how to turn comments back on so I just did the questions on OMG [19:11] oh, well [19:12] jcastro: can you please change the license to a creative commons license so I can put it in the ubuntuonair channel? [19:13] JoseeAntonioR, sure === jrgifford is now known as Guest93691 === toddyhb is now known as toddy [19:14] JoseeAntonioR, where do I set that? [19:15] jcastro: Video Manager>Edit>Licence and rights ownership [19:16] Done! [19:18] jcastro: great, video processing [19:23] jcastro: we'll get it in youtube.com/ubuntuonair after it's finished processing [19:24] cooh === cyphermox_ is now known as cyphermox === mhall119_ is now known as mhall119 === balloons_ is now known as balloons [21:52] balloons, a qa user has questions of a qa nature in #ubuntu-unity... [21:52] balloons, ade_ [21:53] ahh.. I was chatting with him earlier in #testing [21:53] likely he went to find the source [21:53] heh [21:53] he was hopinh to check some of the behavoirs in the lens to the spec [21:53] thanks === pleia2_ is now known as pleia2 === vibhav is now known as Guest48849 === hazmat` is now known as 5JTAACNC2 === jrgifford is now known as Guest62079 === 5JTAACNC2 is now known as hazmat === cprofitt_ is now known as cprofitt [23:03] can someone post http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/09/25/more-information-about-online-dash-search-privacy/ on the Ubuntu reddit? [23:10] I will [23:11] http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/10f2p8/more_information_about_unitys_new_shopping_lens/ [23:11] jono_: ^^ [23:20] thanks mhall119 [23:29] our SFD https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.424968074228708.94652.210871352305049&type=1 :D [23:30] we really need more goodies(stickers, flyers, etc...) [23:35] daker: I see you guys got plenty of Mozilla assets :) let me know if you ever need more stuff [23:35] those are the guys from the mozilla LoCo here :) [23:36] daker: Mozilla Reps :) [23:37] yes [23:37] daker: Do you know Mohammed Amarochan? I think he is our Rep for Morroco [23:37] yes [23:37] :D [23:38] we are designing a pretty cool new sticker soon [23:38] they have a lot of goodies tshirts, stickers, flyers... [23:40] bkerensa: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=425787187480130&set=a.424968074228708.94652.210871352305049&type=1&theater [23:40] daker: hmm yes good crowd [23:40] hello guys! [23:41] daker: where are you in the crowd? [23:41] the old man at middle, one of our old freedom fighters :D [23:41] daker, awesome! [23:42] thanks