[00:41] * Etriaph is torn. === aaron__ is now known as ahoneybun === tazz_ is now known as tazz [06:21] good morning [08:18] valorie: yeah, just because of BttF [08:23] BttF? [08:23] * valorie is missing context [08:23] Back to the future [08:23] Featured a time travelling delorean [08:24] ah, right [08:24] sorry, that was hours ago [08:24] lol [08:24] Unfortunately not bigger on the inside [08:24] ha! [08:24] valorie: yeah, I just saw that [09:37] Riddell: CI all red still :| [09:37] actually when I say still I mean its even more red now [09:46] sitter: hmm, I'm kindae on another-project day today === hein is now known as Sho_ [11:32] morning [11:33] sitter: Riddell how can I help [11:38] sgclark: not at all right now. something blew up in docker. apparently it doesn't take too kindly to an ever growing list of images and containers ^^ [11:38] ack [11:44] kfileplaces/user-places/the-left-hand-side-of-dolphin seems to be broken in that folder drag&dropped there don't persist [11:45] editing ~/.local/share/user-places.xbel directly works, though [11:45] shall i file bug report in kubuntu or kde? [12:33] shadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11244074/ very sad panda :( [12:35] aw [13:16] Hi folks [13:38] hiho BluesKaj [13:39] how WIly works with 15.04.1 ? [13:41] soee, do you mean plasma 5.3? [13:42] BluesKaj: apps [13:44] Wily is 15.10, but a lot of the apps are the same versions, and yes they run fine so far, even better than on Vivivd in some cases [13:44] more stable , fewer crashes [13:47] just installed a new kernel version, have to reboot [14:03] Riddell: Oh hi! === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter [16:06] * Riddell blogs http://jriddell.org/2015/05/20/protocols-plugfest-europe-2015/ [16:07] Riddell: I keep dreaming of KDE doing an event in Portland [16:16] G'day folks. [16:32] bkerensa: well we were at LFNW :) not home but close lol [16:32] well closer then europe anyway [16:39] is folderview disabled in 15.04? [16:39] not the widget [16:39] the desktoppp layout [16:40] it's not the default but you can easily change to it [16:41] that's always been the case in plasma [16:41] here the Layout option is greyed out... [16:41] oh? I used it only yesterday [16:41] wth [16:41] yep Layout -> folder view works for me, Plasma 5.3 [16:41] oh, you need to "Unlock Widgets" [16:41] incredible unintuitive [16:41] sgclark: I mean KDE hosting an actual meetup like they do in europe [16:42] sgclark: this way we can have Kubuntu donuts [16:42] :D [16:42] yeah would be nice [16:42] kubuntu donuts <3 [16:42] send some over ^^ [16:42] gear shaped donuts? [16:45] there's only a few places in the world with enough critical mass to do that, a few cities in europe and washington dc used to as well [16:47] yofel: http://cdn.benjaminkerensa.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/IMG_20121211_133013-300x225.jpg [16:47] ^ I had those made [16:48] hmm dunno about that, our booth was quite popular here on the west coast [16:48] *drool* [16:48] Riddell: well Portland is one of the largest Open Source cities in the world so I think we qualify [16:48] what bkerensa said ^^ [16:48] Riddell: we have one of the largest Open Source conferences in the world here because it wouldnt do well elsewhere [16:48] we rock! [16:48] we must have at least 20-25% of the worlds open source devs here ;) [16:49] Linus right across the river [16:49] well actually I guess I live on the same side of the river as Linus now [17:21] thank you yofel and Riddell [17:34] hi BluesKaj [17:36] hi KDDA [17:36] doing good? [17:36] yup, and you ? === rdieter is now known as rdieter_work [18:04] yeah, just been busy! === aaron is now known as ahoneybuni === ahoneybuni is now known as ahoneybun [19:14] KDDA: do you have some time tomorrow to carry on packaging? [19:45] hiho [20:08] what kind of time tomorrow? [20:08] Riddell: ping === aaron__ is now known as ahoneybun [20:34] Kdda yo? [20:34] yo yo [20:36] when are you free tomorrow? [20:37] and how far into the lesson are we? 10%? === aaron is now known as Guest85752 === Guest85752 is now known as ahoneybun === aaron__ is now known as ahoneybun [22:20] are their any Kubuntu stickers/DVD avaiable? [22:26] ahoneybun: not that I know of [22:26] we have shirts/jackets [22:29] shadeslayer: I ask because I'm going to SELF and we would like some Kubuntu stuff for the booth [22:29] ahoneybun: possibly you could get some printed locally? [22:29] and request money from the donations fund for those? [22:29] I've been meaning to make a few DVDs myself [22:30] updated for the newest release [22:30] what are the DVD's, install? [22:31] yea [22:31] I would love to do USB's but those are much more money [22:34] * ahoneybun is falling mad in love with git over lp [22:37] whop :) this friday new MadMax in cinemas [22:50] lol [22:50] thought that came out last friday? [22:51] not here in Poland :) [22:51] oh in the US it is out [22:51] ^ movies can have different release dates in different countries [22:51] most odd thing ever [22:51] yeah :D [22:51] ahoneybun: one of the priviliges of living in the US [22:51] amongst other things like the NSA [22:51] ;) [22:52] XD [22:56] ahoneybun: I can send you the ones I have left [22:57] when do you leave for SELF? [22:57] these are the stickers left from those Jussi mailed me a year or so ago [22:57] June 11 is the day before and the driver wants to drive at night so June 11 I think [22:58] ok, that's plenty of time [22:58] just PM me your mailing address [22:58] I would be very greatful for anything you can send valorie :) [22:59] valorie: while your around I want you to look at this: https://github.com/ahoneybun/kubuntu-manual/blob/master/source/welcome.rst [23:01] I feel real crapy going over the docs since I have found 2 dead links so far [23:05] I also found this ugly page: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Reporting [23:06] well, links die [23:06] it's like a garden: weeds grow [23:07] woah, that is one ugly page indeed [23:07] surely we can do better and just make a redirect from that ugly thing [23:08] only 6 years old [23:09] valorie: just started on this the other day: https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Contribute/BugReporting [23:09] I'll be back as soon as I've aquired moar coffee [23:09] ok [23:13] ahoneybun: good start, but we need better screenies -- it helps to do them on a clean white desktop [23:14] if nothing else, put a plain kate page expanded behind [23:22] true valorie [23:22] no comment on my github? [23:23] is this meant to be a replacement for the present docs, or what? [23:24] I'm rather anti-github except for outside projects [23:25] valorie: it is a demo atm for a greater project [23:25] have all the projects docs to use 1-2 languages and host on LP [23:25] github was easier atm since I don't have the keys and such setup on this machine (had to reinstall) [23:26] using the current system we can export to HTML, PDF, and ePub with finer control then though the admins at KDE [23:27] valorie: https://github.com/ahoneybun/kubuntu-manual/blob/master/source/docs/basic.rst [23:30] ok [23:30] see what I'm saying in that screenie though? [23:31] it shows your background instead of a shadow [23:31] and looks cut off on the left [23:31] valorie: yea I see [23:31] also rather large [23:32] in general I prefer small images that you can click for larger if you need it [23:32] esp. if people are consulting the docs on their phones [23:32] ahoneybun: are you making new pages, or bringing in our old ones? [23:34] valorie: coping from our current ones, making fixes as I see [23:34] https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Contribute/BugReporting#Reporting_bugs betteR? [23:35] cool [23:35] good [23:35] I very much want us to have a "write once, deploy everywhere" system [23:35] keeping pages up-to-date in more than one place never works [23:36] valorie: I propose using 1-2 langs to write the docs and host them in one place (maybe 2 with git if we agree) [23:36] with Sphinx we can [23:36] http://sphinx-doc.org/ [23:37] https://userbase.kde.org/Taking_Screenshots has the proper workflow [23:37] yes, I looked at sphinx before [23:37] valorie: LaTeX: https://github.com/ahoneybun/kubuntu-manual/blob/master/source/welcome.tex ; RST: https://github.com/ahoneybun/kubuntu-manual/blob/master/source/welcome.rst [23:38] I created the RST file and then used pandoc to conver to LaTeX [23:38] *convert [23:38] the reason I originally started work on the ubuntu wiki was so that we could work on docs without the rigmarole of docbook+launchpad [23:38] the reason I wanted us to move to the KDE wiki is that Ubuntu wiki was impossible to work in [23:39] the thing I have to solve/find new way, is to present the Docs on the system [23:39] if we move to somewhere besides the KDE wiki, that is ok with me as long as it is easy for people to contribute [23:39] KHelp uses DocBook, though pandoc can convert DocBook [23:39] and we have one set of working docs [23:39] well 2, Non-LTS, LTS [23:39] and one for each release which do not change unless errors are found [23:40] no, ONE set of working docs [23:40] the rest are released [23:40] ok [23:41] right, we were generating the release from the working docs [23:41] as you should know, because you did all that work [23:41] :-) [23:41] Working Docs = Current, Release Docs = FREEZE [23:41] you have become the expert, and I will support your decisions [23:42] right [23:42] hardly think I'm a expert XD [23:42] although it should be possible to fix any errors that come through somehow [23:42] ahoneybun: you are doing the work, so you ARE the expert [23:42] valorie: the way to get fixed was going to use the LP bug system [23:42] a user files a bug against the manual, contributors fix said bug [23:43] cool [23:43] It'd be cool if it could be distributed with Git with versioning. [23:43] so you are now calling the docs a manual? [23:43] best way other then using a Wiki [23:43] sure [23:43] I'm following the name sceme of the Ubuntu Manual and Lubuntu Manual [23:43] we wrote the frameworks book in git, using markdown [23:44] that wasn't hard even for me [23:44] in fact, easier than using the wiki [23:44] I want the projects to use similiar tools so we can work better together [23:44] Ya, MD is pretty happy when it comes to writing docs. [23:44] and that includes using the same terms ex. Manual to Docs [23:45] ahoneybun: I will support your decisions, and learn to work in the suggested workflow [23:45] valorie: also having the manual on LP lets users download the whole thing for offline use [23:45] valorie: Do you happen to know the process I would have to go through to suggest a support system in the KDE project? [23:45] and fixes [23:45] I suggest a plan documented somewhere though, perhaps on the community wiki and an email to kubuntu-devel [23:45] support/architecture idea [23:46] valorie: have you seen my slideshow talking about my plan? [23:46] Etriaph: can you say more about what you mean? [23:46] someone from the Ubuntu Server Manual wants to move to RST from LaTeX as well [23:46] ahoneybun: no, I don't think so [23:46] he is the one who told me about pandoc [23:46] what is RST? [23:47] I am so not down with LaTeX [23:47] restructuecttext [23:47] wrong spelling [23:47] http://docutils.sourceforge.net/rst.html [23:47] I'm not working on a Ph.D, so I will not be using LaTeX [23:47] I think it is very close to Wiki lang [23:48] why RST rather than markdown? [23:48] valorie: 85% of the apps I use on my desktop are KDE-based, but they all store look and feel elements separately. For example, Konversation allows you to specify colours but not to save them as a set. I want to have a conversation about an idea to contain the data for all apps in a centralized "Presentation" system. [23:48] Sphinx uses it [23:49] that provides the HTML, PDF exporting [23:49] I'm not seeing where Sphinx comes into the process [23:49] git itself can do that from markdown [23:49] valorie: Once centrally stored, the data can be transformed from version to version, easing migration from one KDE version (or app version) to the next with respect to presentation settings. [23:49] valorie: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6zAAODZFwQ2SGJCQ1YxRE1IaUU/view?usp=sharing [23:49] I've been learning it and like it lol [23:50] ahoneybun: "Current Setup" is missing a list element for Xubuntu [23:50] http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickref.html [23:51] it is just weird looking on Drive [23:51] it is fine in the ODP [23:51] ok [23:52] this looks very similar to markdown [23:52] yea [23:52] however, I hope you will take a close look at just using markdown [23:53] help.md and such are standard all over KDE [23:53] Etriaph: why not talk to the Konvi people about your ideas? [23:53] * ahoneybun looks to see if pandoc supports md [23:53] find an application team that is willing to give it a whirl, and talk it up [23:54] it supports it [23:54] valorie: I'd like to try and built it into KDE so that all apps can delegate storage of their presentation settings into a central system. [23:54] the thing about KDE applications is that most of them are rather independent [23:54] I understand, and think it is a good idea [23:54] valorie: Yup, but they do share code. [23:54] however, you need buyin from at least one team to get the ball rolling [23:55] wait [23:55] Sphinx support markdown [23:55] most of the teams right now are either recovering from porting to frameworks and then Qt5 [23:55] or in the middle of the effort [23:55] I just could not get anything to work in their system with it [23:55] valorie: Yup, I know, I guess I just need to know who I should contact to get the ball rolling on the discussion. [23:56] #konversation might be a good place [23:56] It won't happen quick, I'm aware of that :D [23:56] or their list, even better [23:56] OK. [23:56] or both lol [23:56] right [23:56] #konversation is usually pretty dead :D [23:56] depends on the hour [23:56] Not always, but usually [23:56] * Etriaph nods [23:56] most of the devels are europeans [23:57] very helpful team though [23:57] * ahoneybun just saw that he is not in #libreoffice-qa ! [23:57] Oh noes! [23:57] I <3 Libre Office [23:57] * ahoneybun <3 <3 <3 LibreOffice [23:58] I'm using it to make my slideshow [23:58] brb, children need tending [23:58] valorie: I'll look at MD for sure, but I think my ideas are solid, and I have some support from the Lubuntu and Ubuntu Docs team as well [23:59] great! [23:59] want to know the name of my talk? [23:59] I'm still happy we moved off Ubuntu wiki [23:59] sure [23:59] * ahoneybun is too [23:59] Documentation: A Unified Approach [23:59] cool