[00:44] * tsimonq2 yawns and shoots spitballs at wxl and clivejo [00:44] :P lol [00:44] ewww [00:45] * valorie readies the dunce hat [00:45] no spitballs in the channel! [00:46] * clivejo taps his watch and looks at tsimonq2 [00:48] Am I late or something? :P [00:50] kdevelop is late [00:57] OMG :P [01:02] dont OMG me [01:22] want me to fix it instead? :) [01:23] Give it a try [01:27] it seems to me kci isn't really working as aforementioned [01:27] that said, what's the issue? [01:29] I wanted tsimonq2 to prepare 5.0.3 for release [01:30] like here - https://launchpad.net/~kdevelop/+archive/ubuntu/release/ [01:31] https://www.kdevelop.org/news/kdevelop-503-released [01:32] i can give that a go [01:32] shouldnt be a huge task, just use the existing packaging and fix it up [01:32] couple unrelated questions: [01:33] just a number of dependencies [01:33] 1. am i seeing correctly kci is NOT all back to normal? [01:33] wxl: what are you seeing? [01:34] 2. it seems the way kde does things, translations never come until release time. that said, mauybe we shouldn't have a kexi-l10n package? no one else seems to do things this way.. [01:34] clivejo: i said it up there a bit. let me show you again [01:34] clivejo: http://kubuntu.dh.bytemark.co.uk/job/zesty_unstable_kexi/scmPollLog/ [01:34] ^^^ failing to git poll because it can't find git [01:35] well thats been failing from the 8th and we only switched today [01:36] so very unlikely to be the new server at fault [01:36] hm k [01:36] although [01:36] when i pushed to kexi last, it built [01:36] but not this most recent one [01:37] Im not sure on the git triggers [01:37] we might have to wait until kci.pangea.pub is pointed the to correct IP [01:38] well i was able to use the URL to trigger it [01:38] the merger appeared to happen but then everything else failed [01:38] nothing's built all day [01:38] well the config was changed a week or so ago [01:39] KCI only triggers M-F at 0:00 UTC [01:39] it takes the weekends off now [01:39] OH [01:39] LP do maintenance at the weekend and was failing a lot of builds [01:40] plus KDE generally only commit M-F [01:40] so we figured lets give it S and S off and we can use it to poke our own stuff [01:42] so i guess i could just make it build manually, no? [01:42] you could yes [01:43] so what about the l10n thing? [01:43] I dont understand your question [01:44] hm now i'm second-guessing myself trying to explain it [01:45] we only release, released KDE software [01:45] well, we should only do that [01:48] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhJQSpy3Luc [01:49] he needs a dickie bow [01:49] See how he spells his name, clivejo? :P [01:49] Haruld [01:49] Har*a*ld [01:50] (Photo, 190x62) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/vWzrTSRo/file_1346.jpg [01:50] He gives a great explanation of why KCI was born [01:50] basically to spread the workload over time [01:51] instead of big bang releases [01:58] personally Id love to get the test ISO's working again [01:58] And stable... :P [01:59] tsimonq2: https://youtu.be/zhJQSpy3Luc?t=729 [02:00] used to be a bit of python but was replace due to performance concerns [02:01] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kexi build #19: STILL UNSTABLE in 18 min: http://kubuntu.dh.bytemark.co.uk/job/zesty_unstable_kexi/19/ [02:06] Screw it, I'm rewriting in Assembly. :P [02:06] Java [02:07] Absolutely not [02:10] why not?? [02:11] It's disgusting... [02:11] its not, its modern OOP [02:19] Hey everyone! [02:19] hi DarinMiller [02:20] Survived the obligatory in-law Christmas party. Ready for the fun. [02:20] Hi clivejo o/ [02:21] plendy of drink? [02:25] Unfortuneately no. Neither side of family drinks much.... [02:27] how do you manage to survive them then?!? [02:27] tsimonq2: Hi Simon. If you are around are up for packagine Kdevelop 5.0.3 (with me directly in tow of course). [02:28] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_umbrello build #51: STILL FAILING in 41 sec: http://kubuntu.dh.bytemark.co.uk/job/zesty_unstable_umbrello/51/ [02:29] This time of year can be quite dreadful for such events so we usually keep the visit fairly short. Only way for me to maintain sanity. [02:34] strange, KCI is only triggering zesty builds after a git trigger [02:37] OK, I pulled kdevelop from here: git clone -b kubuntu_unstable git+ssh://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kdevelop [02:38] If wanted to do an sbuild, I understand I need a zip file. Where do I grab that? [02:39] use uscan [02:39] bump the latest build in the changelog, add an entry and use uscan to grab the source [02:40] source is here - http://download.kde.org/stable/kdevelop/5.0.3/src/ [02:40] use dch to bump the changelog? [02:41] yes [02:41] but dont left my PPA stuff in there, that hasnt been released [02:42] leave [02:42] on that note, Ill hit the sack [02:42] night night [02:42] o/ clivey [02:43] o/ Simey Wimey [02:43] here do I find uscan? I don't see it in kubuntu-automation and did not find it in the apt list [02:43] where^ [02:43] hey tsimonq2 \o [02:44] install devscripts [02:44] night clivejo o/ [02:44] http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/zesty/man1/uscan.1.html [02:45] tsimonq2: in the mood to drag me thru kdev pkging? [02:45] no sorry [02:45] long day @ work [02:45] I need sleep [02:45] tsimonq2: np. [02:46] tsimonq2: I know exactly how you feel (that's me most every day M-F). [02:47] I will play around and see what trouble I can cause on my own. [02:53] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_umbrello build #52: NOW UNSTABLE in 19 min: http://kubuntu.dh.bytemark.co.uk/job/zesty_unstable_umbrello/52/ [06:25] can't figure out why uscan fails to dl http://download.kde.org/stable/kdevelop/5.0.3/src/kdevelop-5.0.3.tar.xz [06:26] watchfile looks fine compared to other watch files (it was missing an empty 2nd line, but that did not help either). [06:28] * DarinMiller wow, the uscan perl script is quite large.... [06:34] nm: since I downloaded 5.0.3 from unstable, uscan --verbose says I have the latest version and package is up to date. [13:11] hi folks any news for this one here [13:11] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362449 [13:11] KDE bug 362449 in general "Dolphin recognizes audio CD but cannot open it." [Normal,Unconfirmed] [13:11] cause audacity cant open cds too [13:19] folks ghostcube: audiocd-kio is ported in 16.12.0 [13:19] hmm doesnt help me fpr kubuntu 16.04 [13:19] nope [13:20] it couldnt be you cant open a audio cd in kubuntu 16.04 with dolphin [13:21] can you pls backport the 16.12 versions into lts? the suggestion in kde is to use 16.10... oh kubuntu [13:25] maybe you need to talk to the kde guzys? cause for them not portin audio cd support is after it is ported a new feature... maybe iam a bit off reality but this is truely shit [13:26] Hey folks [13:32] http://pastie.org/10981333 [13:32] conversation in kde about audio cd [13:35] hi everyone [13:35] can you review http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=3175 and let me know if you'd like anything changed/rephrased/added? [13:43] o/ [13:44] * soee_ installing kernel 4.8.14 [13:51] clem_l: that seems great from my perspective :) [13:53] I might add KDE in front of Plasma 5.8 in the title [13:55] yeah, end users don't quite get the distinction, and this is an update of the whole KDE stack, not just plasma [13:57] yes, you also find people who think it's relevant to them and don't use the KDE edition :) [13:57] the more we succeed the more novice our average joe is unfortunately [14:02] clem_l: agreed. that is why the motto "Kubuntu, making your PC friendly" [14:04] I REALLY want to get kubuntu back to focusing on that concept, so I think we should get some better collaboration going. that may be mint, or debian or Neon. I have no issue with any of them [14:05] acheronuk: -landing has Apps 16.04.3 right? [14:06] ahoneybun: yep [14:06] alright [14:08] acheronuk: I don't think we can tell users to use konsole with apt to update no? [14:08] 16.04 has Muon not Discover [14:08] sadly we can't ship newer that until debian/ubuntu sort the whole qtwebengine mess [14:08] *newer appa [14:09] *appa [14:09] oh FFS [14:09] acheronuk: I left a draft at least [14:09] *apps! [14:12] ahoneybun: I would stick with command line instructions for testing, as to be bluntly honest, anyone who doe not get how to use that probably should not be testing in the first place [14:14] acheronuk: yea I kinda think the same [14:14] also having ppa purge knowledge [14:16] indeed. the mint bog post is live now, so If you could get something on kubuntu.org PDQ that would be great [14:20] acheronuk: http://askubuntu.com/questions/307/how-can-ppas-be-removed [14:20] good to have on there no? [14:23] probably, as no doubt this will get spread across multiple sites and forums [14:25] (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/f6uFLgXj/file_1348.png [14:25] there [14:25] clem_l: I relied on your forums here, but can you do a sticky? https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=235157&p=1251070#p1251070 [14:26] oh yes, it's here https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=143&t=235291 [14:26] i.e. not stick that thread but do your own? [14:26] gtg though, I'll be back in the evening [14:26] any good acheronuk? [14:26] it's relayed on twitter/facebook/website too, so it should grab people's attention eventually [14:26] ttyl [14:27] clem_l: ooh. I missed that. great :) [14:40] https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?71236-Call-for-testing-Plasma-5-8-4-and-applications-16-04-3-for-Xenial-Xerus [14:54] ahoneybun: fine with me [15:03] http://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-and-linux-mint-doing-plasma-5-8-testing/ [15:03] Done [15:17] * soee_ reposted on G+ [15:48] clem_l: I hope I am not too late, but what a gracious post. To an American, "a massive amount of efforts" sounds off. Is that idiomatic to the Commonwealth? Since it has been a while since I ran Linux Mint (always the KDE Flavour), I cannot remember if I needed to accept keyrings in Software Sources [16:21] so i tried landing ppa, audio cd error still not fixed [16:21] dolphin audio cd reading is fixed in 16.12 [16:22] any possiubility you get the audio cd function fixed? [16:22] ghostcube: is there a bug report? [16:22] sure [16:22] ghostcube: We can't backport Apps 16.12.0 until we get QtWebEngine [16:23] So no bug report needed, it's kbown [16:23] *known [16:23] We just need to find out which components do not need it. [16:23] But either way, we're waiting on the Qt release team. [16:24] They need to press buttons. [16:24] Then we get it in Ubuntu. :) [16:25] ok i even dont get the fact that a computer cant read a audio cd... [16:26] but ok, in kde they told me 16.10 has got 16.12 in release? is this correct [16:26] Kubuntu 16.10 with the backports-landing you will have 16.04.3 [16:26] this is what i get in 16.04 now too [16:26] so it wont work there too [16:27] thats the same prob like you dont have a job you dont get a flat, you dont have a flat you dont get a job [16:27] acheronuk: clem_l : http://betanews.com/2016/12/11/linux-mint-resources-kde-plasma-kubuntu/ [16:27] of course [16:28] wow what a bad spin on it [16:31] "I can see your POV on this but the way I see it is that our distros are working together (Linux Mint and Kubuntu) are finally working together more closely as they should to benefit the users. After all other then having fun working on the distro that's that other reason we do it." [16:31] that's what I wrote [16:34] In the Italian-American neighbourhood I was raised, Fagioli (pronounced fa-zool, literally bean(s)) was an all-purpose derogatory way of saying anything from unserious to crazy. [16:36] Your response was more substantive as well as more polite. [16:46] hi [16:46] keyring are added automatically when adding PPAs [16:49] betanews.com, ah well, as a blogger it pays more to do controversy and be outspoken and opinionated [16:50] as a distro we're supposed to be 'better' and let our communities spit on the competition, I guess we're a bit out of line with that post === wens_ is now known as _Wens_ [17:24] That article is disgusting [17:30] Developer resources are spread too thin, who does he think he is dictating where volunteers and contributor's direct their attention! [17:31] I think that is a balanced article actually. I can see that Clement makes a valid point, and perhaps this raises the bar for us in Kubuntu, to improve our distro, adding small useability tweaks, and improvements that would help us grow. [17:31] The fracturing of communities, and it's diversity is what makes open source what it is. [17:32] It was also the downfall of Unix, and what allowed rubbish such as Windows to grab the market. [17:33] I'll add that article and link to the Kubuntu Podacast, it is a good discussion point [17:34] Click baiting *beep* *beep* *beep* [17:36] Even the title is pure lies, we reached out to Mint! [17:37] that's ok, you can't expect them to actually ask questions before posting opinions [17:37] they're not journalists :) [17:38] I wish they all wrote on the same blog though, I'm really annoyed with bloggers fragmentation, it's cause of that that reddit got so popular [17:39] Well the headline suggest that Linux Mint, has reached out to Kubuntu. [17:40] I'll have a talk with my wife tonight too, I think we've too many friends and too many kids, we should have made less and focus on them more [17:40] definitely raises a lot of valid points [17:41] neighbors should have helped too, I don't understand why they made their own.. parental fragmentation [17:41] right, that's enough sarcasm probably [17:56] I happen to agree mostly with clivejo [17:57] when we don't work together people complain, and now they do when we do [18:34] acheronuk: you about? [18:35] hi DalekSec [18:35] grrrr [18:35] hi DarinMiller [18:35] DalekSec: so sorry for pinging you :( [18:41] hi clivejo [18:43] does anyone know how to do a release of a standalone package using the KA tools? [18:43] not a clue here... [18:44] me neither, its all changed [19:15] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_umbrello build #152: NOW UNSTABLE in 19 min: http://kubuntu.dh.bytemark.co.uk/job/xenial_unstable_umbrello/152/ [19:26] <_Wens_> hi! why kde application 16.08 not include kubuntu 16.10? [19:28] beacuse Kubuntu has to follow Ubuntu release cycle [19:28] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseSchedule [19:29] after certain dates we cant add anything new [19:31] <_Wens_> ok, thanks [19:33] and unfortunately Ubuntu freezes and KDE releases don't tend to work out :( [19:34] _Wens_: is there something you are looking for? [19:48] <_Wens_> no. I see release on kde.org and have quetion. [19:49] well it missed Yakkety 16.10, and we will probably skip it in Zesty 17.04 [19:51] KDE Apps 16.12 are due out very soon [19:51] Hah. [19:53] DalekSec: sorry [19:53] Yep, you said that. It's not a problem. [19:54] for some reason when I try to autocomplete for Darin, it changes it to your username! [19:55] are you unit? [21:17] Kernel 4.9 released :-) [21:30] for zesty? [21:45] clivejo: 4.9-rcsomething is in zesty-proposed, but it will probably be a few days before the stable release gets there. [21:45] In the meantime, there is always http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/, but it appears the compilation hasn't finished for 4.9 yet. [21:50] mamarley: have you a zesty box? [21:50] clivejo: 5 of them :) [21:51] * clivejo cries [21:51] How come? [21:51] you have 5 and mine is so slow! [21:52] Oh, sorry. :( [21:52] do you have landing on any of them? [21:53] All of them :) [21:53] I uploaded kdeconnect to https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-misc/+packages?field.name_filter=kdeconnect&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter= [21:53] * mamarley doesn't use that, sorry. :( [21:55] what sort of computer do you want Father Christmas to bring ya, clivejo? [21:55] faster one [21:56] that old XP laptop I put Kubuntu onto for a friend of mine is still working for her [21:57] can't believe anybody would use a computer that slow.....but she paid $10 used, and I guess thinks she got good value! [22:07] * DarinMiller making zesty partition with landing to test kdeconnect... installing now... (other zesting partition has kubuntu-unstable)... [22:19] * DarinMiller zesting does not like hybrid graphics laptops. [22:20] zesty^ [22:20] I think this one is hybrid but I only use .... whatever it came with, dunno [22:21] Sysinfo for 'valorie-GT60-2PC': Running inside KDE Plasma 5.8.4 on Ubuntu 17.04 (Zesty Zapus) powered by Linux 4.8.0-30-generic, CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4810MQ CPU @ 2.80GHz at 1899/3800 MHz, RAM: 23824/24029 MB, Storage: 320/967 GB, 346 procs, 92.31h up [22:21] duh, that doesn't say [22:24] skylake hybrid with intel and nvidia. It's a real bear to boot until proprieatry NVdia driver is installed. Have to unplug mouse and edit boot line with nomodeset. [22:26] this has a sticker on it that says nvidia GeForce GTX but I did have my son install kubuntu in the first place because of the driver issue [22:27] scarlett was there too, and had advice for him [22:35] I bought this one in 2009 [22:36] getting a bit old and tired [22:36] WOW [22:36] you must be the most gentle owner ever [22:36] and its a bit big [22:36] * valorie looks at the stack of broken laptops..... [22:36] well Ive replaced the keyboard a coupld of times [22:37] and I bought a new battery to take it to QtCon [22:37] but the stupid thing wouldnt fit in my bag! [22:37] some have lasted me 5 or 6 years, but eventually were too slow to use even for travel [22:37] oh yeah that's why you were computerless [22:38] * clivejo cries [22:38] * clivejo and nods [22:38] I'm grateful for the little one -- trying to carry the biggie was a killer even just in Seattle [22:38] you have a huge rucksack! [22:39] I won't try bringing that again [22:39] why? [22:39] yup, bought that with a laptop in mind [22:39] because the little one is good enough [22:39] its great for carrying bottles [22:39] and I bought a DVD burner for like $20 [22:39] lol [22:39] it was *excellent* for bottles, you madman [22:40] :) [22:40] especially when I had a beast of burden to carry it! [22:40] oi! [22:40] In seattle, everybody had to carry their own stuff [22:41] you could employ me to carry it for you :P [22:41] "great bear of a man"..... what was his name again? [22:41] lol [22:41] * valorie pays in Jameson's [22:42] DarinMiller: did you test KDE Connect? [22:45] clivejo: shortly, just now successfully booting the beast... [22:46] clivejo: I'm not sure the flight from NI to Seattle and back would have been worth it for a weekend [22:47] not sure ahoneybun thought it was worth the trip just from Florida! [22:47] probably not! [22:47] it would have to be part of a bigger trip [22:48] the Puget Sound area is amazing, and worth the trip for sure [22:48] especially since you have a friend with a guestroom [22:48] and a cabin in the mountains! [22:48] same with anybody in the team -- come visit Seattle and me! [22:50] error: ‘class Device’ has no member named ‘logicalSectorSize’; did you mean ‘logicalSize’? [22:51] clem_l: do you guys use calamares? [22:53] I second Valorie's invitation, anyone is welcome to come visit me in Idaho too.... [22:58] where in Idaho, DarinMiller? [22:58] I've driven through, but only spent time in Boise [22:58] which is beautiful [22:59] hi clivejo, no we use ubiquity [22:59] Meridian, Idaho [23:00] and oh, did you go to the FOSS thing they had in Spokane last ... May or so? [23:00] I couldn't go because I wanted to attend Colin's graduation in Connecticut [23:01] I wrote to the ubuntu-pnw list about it though [23:02] https://paste.ubuntu.com/23616215/ [23:02] clivejo: kdeconnect times out when attempting to pair. also looks like kmenuedit is missing... sending pb shortly... [23:02] pb ^^ [23:03] I see Meridian on the map -- I suppose on the meridian line, cool [23:04] what is line 22? [23:05] I have no idea.... [23:05] fresh install, full format.... [23:06] this is old, but it hasn't changed much: http://web.fe.up.pt/~jmcruz/etc/kde/kdeqt/kde3arch/ksycoca.html [23:06] I just wonder why it reuses the old cache [23:08] I tell ya, this laptop is weird. Have to add nomodeset during boot just see the desktop, boot with mouse unplugged, then no panel is present so I have to add my own... None of my other boxes do this. [23:09] you can run kbuildsycoca5 --noincremental to refresh the configs [23:13] Once I install nvidia and reboot, it behaves as expected, but until then, it's a monster. I have seen "newbies" post trying to get this same box running linux and this is the only laptop I discourage a new person from trying. [23:13] DarinMiller: seems to install no problem on my system :/ [23:15] Sometime updates will send this laptop off the deep end and I have to re-install NVidia drivers from the command line. I don't mind the challenge but it not for new users. [23:15] btw, kdeconnect prompted on the laptop for pairing but failed to complete. Once Nvida drivers finish insatlling, I reboot and try again. [23:19] Usually issues described above go away after a few kernel releases but though the install difficulty is not as bad as a year ago, it needs lots of help. [23:20] @clem_l, They are the "journalists" in the US. They ask the wrong questions to the wrong people, even if they ask the right people, they make them trick questions so that however they answer it makes them sound bad. They bikeshed the hell out of every bad thing the person says and ignores the good stuff. And whatever happens, they are always biased against someone, covering something up. … Yeah, the recent US election reall [23:20] [23:20] clivejo: Now that I think about it, I restarted plasma from the terminal and proceed to use the same terminal for updates. So I suspect line 22 is plasma responding to the install sequence as all plasma notifications are currently popping up in that terminal. [23:22] kernel 4.9 available now in Ubuntu mainline http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.9/ [23:23] ok, so those arent actually anything to do with the apt install of kdeconnect [23:23] nvidia drivers installed laptop is booting as it should with mouse plugged in and default panel auto appears. [23:24] clivejo: correct. and after reboot, kdeconnect is working fine.... I had run all updates, added the ppa, updated again without rebooting. [23:24] it pairs and works with a phone? [23:24] clivejo: yes [23:24] ah same here [23:26] clivejo: sent file successfully, remote input works as well as message alerts. (have not tried responding to a text yet). [23:27] the reply functions requires you to use the default messaging app [23:28] clivejo: yes, I appreciate that tip as it was driving me crazy. I wish the google texting app worked as it runs better on my phone, but I would rather have the kdeconnect functionality. [23:30] a lot of people use other messaging apps [23:31] and I was using one until I realised and changed back [23:31] Wow, default text is sure tiny on HDPI displays with ZZ. I kept seeing references to HDPI fixed from the plasma team all summer long regarding better defaults, but I have to put on my glasses to fix the scaling in system settings. [23:31] replying from desktop is much more useful than using a fancy messaging app [23:32] has anyone tried a wayland session? [23:32] clivejo: I totally agree. [23:33] Im just hoping kdeconnect will intregate with Nougat and allow to reply to other nofications like Telegram/WhatsApp etc [23:33] clivejo: I tried wayland last week (on my intel only work laptop) and I could barely tell the difference wrt X. [23:33] what's nougat (besides a kind of candy) [23:33] Android [23:34] ah [23:34] 7.1 codename [23:34] newer than what I have I'm sure [23:34] they name it after sweets [23:34] Kitkat, Lolipop, Marshmallow and Nougat [23:34] I know *that* [23:35] I have 5.0.2 [23:35] * DarinMiller Kubuntu Driver manager successfully install intel micro code on the hybrid box using the popup menu. (Failed on another box a few days ago). [23:35] I do like Nougat [23:35] DarinMiller: do you have Muon installed? [23:36] Hi [23:36] Hi Simey Wimey [23:36] Hi Clivey Mimey [23:36] :P [23:37] clivejo: not yet, I can test 16.04 or newer ... test all 3 (xx,yy, & zz)? [23:38]