=== kalikiana [n=kalikian@xdsl-84-44-154-202.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu === HungryHippo [n=jeromech@cm65.delta57.maxonline.com.sg] has left #xubuntu [] === vidd_ [n=vidd@static-72-86-135-233.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu === vidd_ is now known as vidd === ryanakca [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #xubuntu [01:40] will xubuntu run on 64mb ram? === noir_ [n=noir@pool-72-73-105-47.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu === b_52Free [n=skimo@adsl196-196-32-217-196.adsl196-10.iam.net.ma] has joined #xubuntu [01:43] ryanakca: yes. you'll need the alternative installation disk or network install. [01:44] 128M would be better [01:45] grazie: well, I'm installing it on my friend's old PC... made in 97 iirc, IBM... really old thing... they were going to throw it out... === cellofellow [n=josh@209.193.108.5] has joined #xubuntu [01:45] ryanakca: i have seen Xubuntu run on 64mb of ram ... its not the snappiest of things, but its not horrible [01:47] night all [01:47] maxamillion: yeah... well, it definitly won't be running beryl or anything demanding... probably firefox, gaim/kopete, and openoffice/abiword/koffice (I have yet to figure out with office suit uses less ram/is fastest...) [01:48] maybe Google stuff, Docs & Spreadsheats, Gmail, GCal, that sort of thing. Only one program, Firefox, running. [01:48] OOo definetly not. [01:48] ryanakca: abiword is the lightest i have found .... abiword and firefox will be a little slow on 64mb of ram but i think it will be usable [01:49] kk [01:50] ted is the lightest I've seen, but it's practically a Rich Text Editor. [01:50] not word processor [01:51] yeah ... ted is pretty good for what it does [01:51] isnt there a lighter web browser? [01:51] like a stripped down firefox? [01:51] none I know without GNOME or KDE depends [01:52] Galeon, Epiphany, Konqueror. Opera too. [01:52] which, of course, misses the mark [01:52] there is swiftfox ... but its ... annoying [01:52] more annoying then 64 meg ram? [01:52] =] [01:53] what's annoying about it? I use it. It isn't particullary lightweight. Faster on the CPU than Firefox. [01:53] I like it. [01:53] i just don't like how many people freak out about it in the forums [01:54] I don't. :) I didn't mention it till you did. === xorg_start [n=linux@adsl-70-241-11-206.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:54] "zomg, swiftfox flash isn't working ... sound in swiftfox, java in swiftfox" ... and i really wanna be like "ITS NOT IN THE REPOS FOR A REASON" [01:54] i need help in xubuntu [01:54] i am trying to start a GUI in server mode [01:54] and startx isn't working [01:54] says command is not found [01:55] all works here, for swiftfox. sound, mplayer, gnash. [01:55] xorg_start: did you install xorg and xserver-xorg? [01:55] i did sudo apt-get install xorg* [01:55] cellofellow: mmmm gnash, can't wait till that is stable [01:55] and it installed 150 mb of xorg stuff [01:55] i'll try xserver-xorg [01:55] thanx [01:55] xorg_start: now do "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg" and it should work [01:55] maxamillion, gnash? [01:55] :) [01:55] vidd: gnu flash player [01:55] vidd: gnu glash [01:56] works great for YouTube. [01:56] sweet [01:56] some sights balk when they detect a "fake" flash player. [01:56] sites === maxamillion slaps those sites === Jester45 [n=Jester45@d13-185.rt-bras.wnvl.centurytel.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:56] mayby i can get the kid on linux in the near future [01:56] hi there Jester45 [01:57] he was upset the last time i got angry at his crashed systemn and installed breezy on it [01:57] vidd: mine will be a kernel hacker by the time hes 12 ... when i have one that is [01:57] how can i run a vpn daemon and have web based access [01:57] hi [01:57] it will not install xserver because it says the CD is scratched [01:57] can i not just download the deb through apt-get from the web only (no CD)? [01:57] xorg_start: no net connection? [01:57] xorg_start, remove the cd [01:58] i have a net connectino [01:58] it still wants the CD in though [01:58] xorg_start: yeah, ditch the cd and get it from the net [01:58] Hitachi should be able to do that. Just install lighttpd or apache and tell it to use the virtual /dev/ham device. [01:58] xorg_start: you might have ot add the repos [01:58] sudo mousepad .etc/apt/sources.list [01:58] not . [01:58] cellofellow: you talking to me? [01:58] / [01:58] yeah, oops [01:58] put a "#" in front of the cd (remove the quotes) [01:59] cellofellow: isnt hitachi a tv company? [01:59] xorg_start: "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" ... put a # infront of the line that talks about the CD as a source, ctrl+o to save, ctrl+x to exit and the "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg" [01:59] Jester, how do i do that? [01:59] ok, let me try that [01:59] Jester45: hamachi I meant [01:59] vidd: he doesn't have a gui .. no mousepad ;) [01:59] xorg_start: look above [01:59] use vim [01:59] nano then [01:59] D'OH [01:59] Jester45: no, never wish vim on a new user [01:59] nano for newbs. [01:59] s/mousepad/nano [02:00] Do they not have a command line? [02:00] Why not just use Applications > System > Software Sources [02:00] maxamillion: im new i never used nano and vim worked [02:00] somerville32: no x, server edition. [02:00] somerville32: we are trying to get X installed ontop of a server sli setup ;) [02:00] Jester45: erm ... ok [02:00] Jester45: took me a LONG time to figure out how to exit vi. [02:00] cellofellow: apt-cache search didnt show that package [02:00] :q [02:01] its ^E right? [02:01] ok ... i'm off work, laters all! [02:01] bye [02:01] Jester45: it's not in the repos. But, still, most VPN systems should let you use apache. [02:01] Jester45: esc+:q is the "true" vi way to do it === vidd rebooted to get out of vi the first tinme! [02:01] oo its Q no E === pidgas [n=pidgas@dsl093-016-207.msp1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:02] cellofellow: and how wil that work with apache...like whats the type of interface [02:02] Jester45: it makes a P2P VPN network, SSH based, with a virtual /dev/ham ethernet device. [02:03] Apache can be made device-specific. [02:03] anyone else here use the nvidia-glx driver? Anyone else having problems with the new release? [02:03] cellofellow: ok thats only text right? [02:03] pidgas, you using the proprietary driver? [02:03] Jester45: nah, it's a virtual LAN over the Internet, encrypted with SSH. [02:04] cellofellow: ok i must be confused i want to be at a remote computer that i can look at my screen with [02:04] yeah vidd [02:04] I am [02:04] Jester45: you said VPN. I guess you meant VNC. [02:04] cellofellow: but i cant install anything and i has to work on windows [02:05] i guess === vidd wont install the proprietary driver...only free for me [02:05] realvnc should work. There may be a Java-applet client that you can embed in a web-page. [02:05] pidgas, sorry i cant help [02:06] pidgas: I use the nvidia driver. what's up? [02:06] thanks vidd, u use only the free ones? can they do anything with beryl or compiz? [02:06] Hey cellofellow [02:06] Is there anyone here who would be willing to test Xubuntu Herd 2 for me? [02:06] no [02:06] it works with beryl.....i used it for about a week on my laptop [02:06] cool vidd...i might check it out [02:06] somerville32, i will [02:06] prolly will if I can't get this straight [02:07] somerville32: I might be able to spare a little while to test under QEMU, but I can [02:07] 't install it [02:07] !testing [02:07] For information on how to help test the next release of Xubuntu and for the results matrix, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Xubuntu/Current [02:07] If you have any questions, please feel free to ask [02:07] QEMU is so slow, I won't be able to test perfomance [02:07] cello, have you upgraded to the newest version nvidia-glx? [02:07] yeah, I did. [02:07] somerville32, this was the link i been asking for LAST WEEK! [02:07] not the 9xxx stuff, just the new one in the repos [02:08] ... [02:08] !info rfb [02:08] the one that depends on nvidia-kernel-1.0.9629? [02:08] let me get my laptop fired up [02:08] rfb: VNC Server for X11 - exports current display. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.1-12 (edgy), package size 232 kB, installed size 664 kB [02:08] ok, so back to basics for me...how can you tell where a package in synaptic is coming from? [02:08] pidgas: not sure. I use the -legacy version, so it may not. [02:09] pidgas: how do you meen? [02:09] where, if anywhere, does it say that this package infor comes from this repo? [02:09] does that make sense? [02:09] oh, like Main, Universe, Multiverse stuff? [02:09] sorta [02:09] yeah [02:10] I've installed some packages, eg Beryl, that required me to add repos === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-238-72.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:10] i know where that infor comes from b/c it's in the url [02:10] dunno, never used synaptic. Aptitude does though. Very simple. The package tree is organized into categories, then source repos, then the pckages. [02:10] but, what repo holds the nvidia-glx packages [02:10] AHH [02:10] restricted. I think. [02:11] do you just use command line apt-get? [02:11] aptitude actually. command line and curses mode. [02:11] i'll ask about the differences another time when I'm not about to eat dinner with the family [02:11] or read about 'em myself [02:12] just type Aptitude into a terminal, and you'll see the semi-gui curses mode. [02:12] s/Aptitude/aptitude [02:12] cool [02:12] well, I updated the packages and marked all upgrades. nvidia-glx got "upgraded" and/or removed. [02:13] I think it might have been removed b/c I went from the 386 kernel to generic for SMP [02:13] anyhow, X complained when I eventually rebooted and I went to reinstall nvidia-glx [02:13] only now I can't seem to get a version that works with an edgy kernel [02:14] SMP, you've a dual-core? [02:14] the new version demands nvidia-kernel-1.0.92xx and that only goes with kernels 2.6.19 and up i guess [02:14] yeah, i lucked out and my work computer is a core 2 duo [02:14] core2duo, you using the 64bit or 32bit version? [02:15] i was lookin around and saw in /proc/cpuinfo that I only had one core [02:15] using 32 bit...i like flash to work [02:15] don't want to mess with the 32 bit browser s&*$ [02:15] yeah, 32bit for multimedia, 64bit for total performance. [02:15] you speak the truth [02:16] well, I dunno what to do. [02:16] so now I'm seemingly caught in no mans land [02:16] you could try using the nv driver for now. [02:16] yeah...I think I will [02:16] maybe ask in the forums or on the xubuntu-users mailing list. They may know more than me. [02:17] much thanks, irritated wife just said..."For your information, I'm eating by myself." Her tone says "get off the f&*&ing computer" [02:17] I best jet [02:17] ok, cya [02:17] thanks for the help! [02:17] !generic [02:17] Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed) [02:18] hmm, [02:18] somerville32, you should remember i LIKE to test installs.... [02:18] I don't think testing in a vm counts, so I'll let it lie. [02:19] somerville32 remember that i reinstalled edgy like 20 times before i got it to work right? [02:19] vidd: hehe === somerville32 marks vidd as the official Xubuntu tester. [02:19] somerville32, im testing the alt cd..ok? [02:19] kk [02:19] the live never liked my systems [02:20] to install the generic kernel, do I just have to install linux-generic? [02:20] somerville32, s/the/a ? [02:21] i CANT be the ONLY one! [02:21] !linux-generic [02:21] linux-generic: Complete Generic Linux kernel. In component restricted, is optional. Version 2.6.17.10 (edgy), package size 23 kB, installed size 52 kB [02:22] i just installed xserver and now its not booting the kernel [02:22] :o [02:23] xorg_start, that is SO wrong! [02:23] that is windows-live-cd wrong! [02:23] can anyone help me? [02:23] xorg_start: what's grub's config look like? [02:24] it just freezes after booting the kernel [02:24] or rather at that stage [02:25] uncompressing linux....OK, booting the kernel, and now it just sits [02:25] any error messages? [02:25] nope [02:25] just won't bring up a GUI or command line [02:25] just sits there [02:25] what are the options? ro quiet? [02:25] yes, i think i saw that [02:25] its still on my other screen [02:25] hit [02:26] ok [02:26] nothing happened [02:26] if init hasn't done squat, which it can't do till the kernel has booted, that won't work. [02:26] init sets up the v-terms === b_52GM [n=skimo@adsl196-243-36-217-196.adsl196-10.iam.net.ma] has joined #xubuntu [02:26] cellofellow, ooppss [02:26] is savedefault in there, xorg_start? === vidd still has things to learn [02:27] can i somehow do a safemode for xubuntu starting [02:27] i can catch it on grub start up when it counts from 2 [02:27] thats it [02:27] press esc, then choose "recovery mode, which give you a cli environment as root. [02:27] xorg_start, yes...its called recovery mode i think [02:28] ok, i'll try [02:28] cellofellow, you type fast.... [02:28] I do? === vidd needs to renew his hunting licence for the keyboard.... [02:29] ok, i think i found the error, its bigtron on the kernel that won't boot [02:29] you don't touch-type? I don't properly either, have to look now and then. [02:29] bigtron? [02:29] how do i remove bigtron? sudo apt-get remove *bigtron*? [02:30] what is bigtron? === vidd looks for the key...touches it and it shows up...does that count? [02:30] lol [02:30] i don't know, is there a way i can get a GUI working on xubuntu? [02:30] i have xorg and xserver files (all of them) installed [02:31] startx isn't recognized [02:31] xorg_start, or probably have file mis-match causing issue [02:31] do you have GDM and xubuntu-desktop installed? [02:31] xubuntu server [02:31] gdm not required. [02:31] i thought it would come with GUI installed by not startup by default [02:31] xubuntu server doesn't exist. Ubuntu server does though. [02:31] sudo apt-get remove xorg8 [02:31] 8 = *? [02:31] xubuntu means XFCE desktop [02:32] then reboot [02:32] tell us if you get a command line [02:32] im there now [02:32] runlevel 1? [02:32] but it says i can't find xorg or xserver* packages when i run [02:32] single user [02:32] yeah, if thats terminal [02:32] yeah [02:32] did you apt-get remove xorg* ? [02:32] i ran that sudo [02:33] did you reboot? [02:33] no sudo needed if you see a # at the prompt instead of a $. [02:33] damnit! [02:33] i didn't reboot [02:33] because it didn't find anything to remove [02:33] even though i had installed both [02:33] and thats what caused the kernel hiccup [02:34] sell, install xubuntu-desktop or fluxbox if you want something lighter. They'll drag in and install all you need. [02:34] ok, sudo apt-get install fluxbox* [02:34] will that work === b_52Centos [n=skimo@adsl196-100-42-217-196.adsl196-10.iam.net.ma] has joined #xubuntu [02:35] it can't find the fluxbox gui [02:35] ok, lesson here, don't try to open two instances of the same OS, one host and the other in a VM. [02:35] i only installed xubuntu, no other OS [02:35] xorg_start: can we see your /etc/apt/sources.list? [02:35] sure, i'd have to type it all out though here [02:35] fluxbox is a window manager. The one in DSL if you've used that. [02:36] yeah [02:36] xorg_start: in pastebin please. [02:36] !pastebin [02:36] it'll work, but what is the deb name [02:36] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [02:36] how do i apt-get install it [02:36] xorg_start: apt-get install fluxbox, no * I think apt doesn't use wildcards. [02:37] still can't find fluxbox, the sources.list is the default that came with xubuntu [02:37] i formatted and everything b4 installing, just commented out that one CD use line [02:37] i think he used a wildcard b4...and that is what caused his issue [02:37] it's in universe, so you'll have to uncomment/add universe to the file. [02:37] ok, i'll try to find that in the sources.list === vidd wonders if he should start for ground zero and start fresh [02:38] the CD is no good, its scratched [02:38] took 2 times to run the install to get it to even install to be usable [02:39] why'd you use a scratched CD? [02:39] and i have to use xubuntu 6.06 alt. [02:39] laptop is being repaired, along with it, the cd burner [02:39] oh. :( [02:39] no friends you could borrow CD burner for a minute from? [02:39] after i install fluxbox, how do i start it and start it up when i start xubuntu [02:40] it found it in the univ. packages [02:40] reboot [02:40] you'll have to muck around, but I think startfluxbox will work. [02:40] no, it won't start automatically yet, not without GDM installed. [02:40] sudo apt-get install GDM*? [02:41] no *, and just gdm [02:41] xorg_start, no "*" in apt-get [02:41] ok [02:41] ever [02:41] usually the star helped me remember the name [02:41] if i got it wrong [02:41] or when i delete things :O [02:41] using the * is probably what got yoiu here in the first place [02:42] you can type apt-get install gd and it'll tab complete like commands. [02:42] two tabs to see a list. [02:42] thats awesome, that will end the use of the star for me [02:42] cellofellow, i dont think you can auto-complete package installs [02:43] vidd: debian patched bash to do it. I use it all the time. [02:43] sweet [02:43] when? [02:43] sometime at or before Sarge. [02:43] I know it works in sarge. [02:43] really? [02:43] startfluxbox gave me errors, i'm rebooting [02:43] uh huh [02:43] ok [02:44] cellofellow, he going to need to reinstall from jump street [02:44] bigiron is killing my kernel [02:44] with a good disk === b_52Free [n=skimo@adsl196-132-43-217-196.adsl196-10.iam.net.ma] has joined #xubuntu [02:44] whatever bigiron is [02:44] i don't know [02:44] its at the end of the kernel [02:44] and its not allowing the kernel to load [02:44] apt-get remove bigiron [02:44] and freezing it at that screen [02:44] yeah [02:44] what im gonna do next when i get back to terminal [02:45] you said you using 6.06 or 6.10? [02:45] let me see the menu.lst later. [02:45] dapper he said [02:45] 6.06, dapper [02:45] alternative version [02:45] what is the autoremove command in dapper? [02:45] sudo apt-get remove _____? [02:45] not alt version, just means text installation instead of live. [02:45] apt-get autoremove [02:45] I think [02:45] yeah, and it installs slower [02:46] but its more stable i have found [02:46] alt is faster, no X overheah. [02:46] overhead [02:46] xorg_start, if you ask me, it installs better5 [02:46] yeah, it does, but slower [02:46] ive used both....alt is not slower [02:46] I've used the same installer program in debain sarge. Not bad. I did the net-install, only took an hour. [02:46] startfluxbox doesn't work [02:47] its getting too many errors [02:47] heck...its twice as long cuzz ya gotr to wait for the thing to load [02:47] is xserver-xorg installed properly? [02:47] i don't think, no [02:47] well, there you go. [02:47] apt-get remove x11-common [02:47] apt-get autoremove [02:48] xserver-xorg too. [02:48] ok, i'll do both of those after removing bigiron [02:48] apt-get install xubuntu-desktop [02:48] then aptitude install xserver-xorg. aptitude so you don't have to worry about autoremove later. [02:48] ok, i'll try those four [02:49] cellofellow, then shouldnt he do aptitue remove bigiron x11-common? [02:50] nah, install with apt-get, remove with apt-get, install with aptitude, remove with aptitude. They're fundementally different and don't like being mixed too much. [02:50] cellofellow, if he removes x11-common, it will take out xserver-xorg [02:50] ok [02:51] well....thye autoremove will anyway, cuzz xserver-xorg depends on x11-common [02:51] invalid operation: autoremove [02:51] or do i have that backwards? [02:52] somerville32, what is the autoremove in apt back in dapper? [02:52] can't do a sudo apt-get autoremove === mafu [n=markus@85-235-235-133.dsl.essbredbaand.dk] has joined #xubuntu [02:52] i did the apt-get remove x11-common, can i do the sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop now? [02:52] xorg_start, no [02:53] ok [02:53] apt-get -h [02:53] why not? [02:53] that pulled up a list [02:53] cuzz he needs to get all the stuff that depended on it out too [02:53] xorg_start: on second thought, sudo apt-get purge x11-common, xserver-xorg* [02:53] vidd: oh, yeah [02:53] Does anyone have a good guess on where under /dev an internal card reader can be found? [02:54] apt-cache show x11-common, and it will show depends [02:54] mafu: if it's IDE, then hd[letter] [number] [02:54] xorg_start, what in the list looks like a command to remove dependencies? [02:54] invalid operation: purge [02:55] purge doesn't work either? [02:55] nope [02:55] reinstall, and then use aptitude from here on out. [02:55] i have no CD to reinstall [02:55] nor a CD burner [02:55] give me a sec [02:56] ok [02:56] i think i found it [02:56] I have an edgy DVD here, with the server, alt, and live modes. [02:56] I'm gonna reboot. I installed the generic kernel and want to get it working. === b_52GM [n=skimo@adsl196-108-43-217-196.adsl196-10.iam.net.ma] has joined #xubuntu [03:00] just want to let everyone know im still here [03:01] apt-get -f install [03:02] ok, i'll do that command [03:02] 0 0 0 and 0 [03:02] it didn't do anything to the system [03:02] reboot [03:02] ok === mafu [n=markus@85-235-235-133.dsl.essbredbaand.dk] has left #xubuntu ["Leaving"] === cellofellow [n=josh@209.193.108.5] has joined #xubuntu [03:03]