[12:13] I was just about ask why kdm on feisty was kicking me out, and then I read ``df -h'' [12:13] +to === owh [n=onno@CPE-58-170-174-149.wa.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:25] I have a sideways question to ponder. Feel free to tell me to shut up. As a member of Launchpad, I signed the code of conduct and supplied a PGP key, like I'm expecting most here. I set my key to expire in two years. This is the second key I have "in the wild". I have not yet set a key to "never expire" and wondered what others do, specifically why they do it. === Seeker` [n=Seeker@195-112-32-168.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:26] Mine is set to never expire [12:26] owh: out of paranoia, I set mine to expire annually [12:27] somerville32: But what if protocols are upgraded or change, then you have a key that floats around "forever". [12:27] owh, No. You can recall the key. [12:27] There is a revocation certificate or something [12:27] crimsun: That is my quandary. Am I being paranoid? I mean, my D/L expires, my Passport expires, so why not my key? [12:28] owh: my rationale is that many protocols have a timeout to mitigate certain attacks. [12:28] somerville32: One might lose the secret (fire, earthquake, lightning strike, tornado, typhoon, tsunami, etc.). In that case, the revocation certificate is hard to distribute. [12:28] somerville32: I didn't know that. So, that would mean that you can revoke a key from the whole server tree, automatically, or does it mean that if some nefarious person has your key and refuses to revoke it, it can still be used? [12:29] persia: That's not as silly as it sounds. [12:29] owh: It wasn't meant as a joke. My keys expire each year. [12:30] persia: I know. I didn't take it as such. === somerville32 shrugs. [12:30] lol [12:30] you should ideally have already a revocation certificate [12:30] I guess it has never meant much to me [12:30] I mean, no one has ever signed my key [12:30] so you can upload it if you lose control over you key [12:31] I just use it when required === owh was just signing an Insurance form and it needed to be on paper, but I was emailed a PDF. So I opened it in Gimp and sent them back a JPG :) === karolina_14 [n=karolina@189.160.9.175] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:31] geser: That is an excellent suggestion. I suppose you could store that certificate on a disk at a bank. [12:31] or print it out [12:32] geser: Even better :-) === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:32] I suppose I've always been aware of keys, but I never had the opportunity to discuss the implications. === mwolson [i=mwolson@jpi-wlafyte-212-116.dmisinetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === owh resolves to read up about revoking a key. [12:34] Thanks all for indulging me on an OT question. [12:35] good thing you didn't sign them back a signed pdf [12:35] s/sign them/send them/ === enyc tries to remember what enyc discussed with crimsun previously ;-) [12:37] crimsun: Hmm, well, Acrobat allows you to digitally sign a PDF, but most offices wouldn't know what to do with it if it hit them :-) [12:37] Just found a useful article on the topic: http://www.spywarewarrior.com/uiuc/ss/revoke/pgp-revoke.htm [12:38] In addition to persia's comment, your hard disk may also crash and you'll be SOL. === Kyral [n=kyral@128.153.219.112] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tenshu [n=tenshu@sgc91-1-82-231-155-79.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF [n=chris@202.63.35.99] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:13] OMG these packages are fsck'd up [01:14] Adri2000: pong [01:14] Heya LaserJock [01:16] LaserJock: what do you want to do for this bug https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/genesis/+bug/80814, the man page already says to copy /usr/share/genesis/startup/simrc to ~/.simrc [01:16] Malone bug 80814 in genesis "genesis doesn't start from menu without ~/.simrc" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] === geser [n=michael@ubuntu/member/geser] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:17] Adri2000: well it's no good if it's run from the menu [01:17] Adri2000: people expect a menu entry to work === persia thinks the .desktop file should be removed from genesis [01:17] that's the other bug, Terminal=true is needed in the .desktop file [01:18] yeah, but we already filed the bug in Debian and got it through [01:18] I hate to go send an email saying "Ooops, please take it out again" [01:18] but perhaps that's the way to go [01:18] regardless I think that genesis doesn't handle it well [01:18] they don't say where to get the .simrc file [01:19] the man page does [01:19] The ,desktop file has two purposes: it allows execution from the menu, and includes the program in app-install-data. Perhaps the menu entry can be hidden? [01:19] I don't think that's sufficent [01:20] persia: I don't mind a menu entry, it just should work [01:20] that's why I filed two bugs there [01:20] 1) the menu entry should work [01:21] 2) genesis should copy the simrc file to ~/.simrc if it doesn't exist === persia needs to look at Initial Reporter more carefully [01:22] well, I filed them for a user that came to #ubuntu-science [01:22] they wanted to try out genesis but when they clicked on the menu entry it didn't do anything [01:23] when I asked to run it from a terminal they got that message [01:24] that would be easy to patch the program to say "use cp /usr/share/... ~/.simrc" in the error message [01:24] well, that would be a start [01:24] but it's still not sufficent for me [01:25] Adri2000: Alternately, a wrapper script could be installed [ -f ~/simrc ] || cp /usr/share/genesis/startup/simrc ~/.simrc [01:25] that's more along the lines of what I was thinking [01:26] if you used something like genesis-start and then had the .desktop call that [01:27] it should be sufficient without fiddiling around with the source === Lutin [n=Lutin@sd-4736.dedibox.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:35] Gah, why isn't debian/changelog getting installed? :-( [01:35] Err copyright I mean === facenew [n=new@222.188.134.230] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:36] OT: a short movie mocking Kim Jong Il and his secret agent buying something from China: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=EE52D9ED01495685 [01:37] facenew: can you stop spamming channels please? === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === facenew [n=new@222.188.134.230] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rrittenhouse [n=tad@cpe-76-188-35-66.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu_ [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-175-230.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thenetduck [n=duck@c-67-186-218-157.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:04] <_MMA_> Hello guys. thenetduck here wants to learn to package. I sent him here. [02:04] oh thanks _MMA_ :) [02:04] <_MMA_> thenetduck: Start by looking at the links in the topic. [02:06] welcome thenetduck [02:07] hi LaserJock , I just added myself to the launchpad is it too soon for me to do that? [02:09] thenetduck: what did you add yourself to in Launchpad? [02:10] to the contributors of packages. I [02:10] I haven't done anything yet but would to get involved [02:10] (I am out of school for a while and it has been a goal of mine to learn and contribute since I started using Ubuntu) [02:10] yes, that's fine. Do you have a gpg key on your launchpad account? [02:11] I.. don't think so. [02:12] can you explain to me what a gpg key is? [02:12] !gpg [02:12] gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto [02:13] thenetduck: I'll let the wiki explain ^^ ;-) [02:13] :) ok [02:16] ok so it makes it so that not just anyone is downloading or uploading to that server? Kind of like a real key to the door of a server? [02:18] LaserJock, ok so I looked up the keys and have this one gpg: /home/duck/.gnupg/trustdb.gpg: trustdb created [02:18] [02:19] LaserJock, is that the correct key? or should I make a new one ? [02:23] make a new one === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:24] LaserJock, what is my key ID? [02:27] that is the unique ID of your new key [02:28] gpg --list-keys should list your key [02:28] ok === ToHellWithGA [n=ryan@d1-185.rb2.clm.centurytel.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:32] is this the correct place to ask about tetex and texlive? i heard that tetex may be dropped for texlive in the near future. [02:33] ToHellWithGA: FYI, i'ts a sunday in most countries [02:33] it's a monday in your country! [02:36] true that, but i'm an aussie [02:37] ToHellWithGA: I don't think Ubuntu would really make that decision. Debian is where that decision would most likely take place [02:37] oh right on then. i'm afraid of those guys so i guess i'll jsut watch it play out :/ [02:37] ToHellWithGA: I can't imagine tetex going away very soon. texlive has still got a fair amount of bugs to work out it seems to me [02:37] i was not a fan of the texlive cd [02:38] so i can't see how it could be much better under *buntu [02:38] well, I think gradually texlive will become the preferred tex distribution [02:39] i don't think of debian folks as hasty, so i reckon the transition will be smooth when it happens [02:39] I would hope so [02:39] thanks for the explanation LaserJock [02:39] the Debian TeX maintainers are pretty good [02:39] they seem on top of it [02:39] i'll leave you cats to your dev club channel :) [02:39] peace out === ToHellWithGA [n=ryan@d1-185.rb2.clm.centurytel.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Oh] [02:42] hey, I get this when I type in gpg --list-keys [02:42] pub 1024D/00F267E8 2007-01-22 [02:42] uid Sterling Cobb (This is me! First time I used my name and email address at the same to so thats a lot of trust.) [02:42] sub 2048g/87C36AD8 2007-01-22 [02:42] doesn't make since === mwolson [i=mwolson@jpi-wlafyte-212-116.dmisinetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:43] 00F267E8 is the key ID. [02:43] Hobbsee, thank you [02:52] does it really take about an hour for these keys to sync up with the key server/ [02:53] crimsun: You aboot? [02:53] eh? [02:54] crimsun: Do you happen to have a minute for another quick review for me? [02:54] sure. Will be a bit lagged. [02:54] NP [02:54] libticables2-1 [02:56] I'm trying to get back into LaserJock's good graces ;-) [02:58] good luck with that [03:00] yeah, talk about a slavedriver ;) [03:03] Heya ajmitch [03:03] Ah, so I am in the dog-house with him eh? [03:05] hmm === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:07] bddebian: is that an SRU? [03:12] LaserJock, I have gotten a gpg all set up anything else I should do? :) [03:12] LaserJock: No, I'm going through your bug list again :-) === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pochu [n=Pochu@198.Red-83-32-163.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:03] Is it bad policy to delete a file on postinst? === Toadstool [n=jcorbier@cl-266.bru-01.be.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:06] bddebian: Plenty of packages do that, but apparently only when transitioning from one method of doing things to another. I can't speak to policy though. [04:08] persia: Well eagle creates a .eaglerc because it runs on postinst, therefore it gets created with root perms. It has to in order to create the license file. So I was thinking just deleting .eaglerc after the fact.. [04:13] bddebian: I can't find anything in policy that indicates you shoudn't do that, but can you be sure which .eaglerc is being created? I'm thinking about the case of a package upgrade by a user running `sudo aptitude` from their home directory. How does this interact with the license process? [04:14] persia: The license gets in ~/eagle afaict. And apt-get runs as sudo right? So what would be different. (Probably dumb question, sorry) [04:16] bddebian: Let me look at the specific package. In general, I thought the user might have put customisation in ~/.eaglerc, in which case deleting this would fall under loss of user data. === mikhail^ [n=dean@124.106.241.148] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:19] Lethargy: ?? :) [04:19] Anyone know if we have a Yahtzee time game in the archives at all? :) [04:19] bddebian: Tali [04:19] bddebian, :D === mercurysquad [n=mercurys@deimos.iu-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:20] bddebian: Ah, are you trying to address the "run once as root" problem with eagle? === mercurysquad [n=mercurys@deimos.iu-bremen.de] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [04:21] persia: Aye [04:21] persia: And I don't see a "Tali" in the archive? [04:23] bddebian: That's why I'm not finding anything about .eaglerc :) One solution would be to run su -l root -c eagle && rm ~root/,eaglerc in postinst. This avoids collision with the user configuration, although I haven't tested it. [04:24] bddebian: gnome-games provides /usr/games/gtali. [04:24] persia: It doesn't get in ~root, it gets in ~ [04:25] Oh and thanks for gnome-games :) [04:25] bddebian: with su -l? [04:25] Oh.. Hmm [04:25] bddebian: No worries. Ask me about games anytime :) [04:28] Well I keep meaning to focus on games but I keep getting "distracted" :) [04:30] bddebian: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~motugames/+assignedbugs doesn't include as much as it should (and it should probably be subscribed), but is one of the places I like to check for games, or do you mean actually playing them? [04:36] persia: No, I meant fixing them/packaging them. When I play games I stick to RPGs in Windows :-( [04:39] bddebian: From what I can tell, it's the plot. There are plenty of great engines available, but few plots are free. Something about a return on creative energies. [04:41] Yeah :-( [04:47] DA BEARS!!! [04:51] Heh [05:02] heh === robb_ [n=robb@pool-71-163-244-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:02] Is anyone familiar with xmllint? Is echoing the entire XML file an indication that there are no problems? [05:02] Colts are going to kick the Bear's butt [05:03] LaserJock: Colts lost :-( [05:03] persia: Not me, ,sorry [05:03] persia: that doesn't sound quite right [05:03] how are you calling it? [05:04] bddebian: no way [05:04] LaserJock: That's what I thought. I'm working on #4736, and xmllint echoes my local preferences.xml while reporting problems with the submitters preferences.xml. I'm trying to determine if torcs' xml parsing is completely broken or just not good at entity handling. [05:05] LaserJock: xmllint preferences.xml [05:07] persia: try xmllint --noout --postvalid preferences.xml [05:10] LaserJock: Thanks, that works as expected. I wonder why xmllint is so verbose by default. [05:12] Man, I can't fix shit :-( [05:16] Are -dbgsym packages only created for main, or just when packages are rebuilt? [05:26] LaserJock: Holy crap, I lied, the Colts did pull it out [05:27] yeah [05:27] bddebian: I wasn't lying to ya dude ;-) [05:32] LaserJock: I stopped watching and a buddy told me that NE won so I didn't pay attention :-( === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-74.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:52] c [05:56] d [05:59] nixternal: you put money on the Saints?!?! [06:08] Well obviously the genesis bug doesn't seem that difficult but how do you keep .simrc from being root owned? [06:11] bddebian: The solution dicussed earlier was to have the .desktop call genesis-startup, which was `[ -f ~/.simrc ] cp /usr/share/genesis/startup/simrc ~/.simrc; genesis`. Also, add Terminal=true to the .desktop file. [06:12] bddebian: I think Adrian is working on it. [06:12] persia: OK but what if they run it from the CL? :) [06:12] bddebian: If they run it from the CLI, the error message is posted. Perhaps the source needs to have the error message made nicer? [06:13] bddebian: Alternately, install genesis as the wrapper, and have /usr/bin/genesis.real be the actual binary :) [06:13] Or install .simrc with 777? ;-P [06:14] bddebian: I don't think it is a good idea to install it in the postinst, as the system may be a multiuser system, and a new user may be created, for whom there is no .simrc. [06:15] What is the "working" dir for genesis, ,do you know? [06:15] Like why isn't there an /etc/genesis/.simrc or some such? [06:16] bddebian: I don't know (I've never used genesis: just was thinking about these bugs yesterday). === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:26] well [06:27] I think providing a wrapper around genesis wouldn't be that hard [06:28] although it aggravates me when upstreams don't take the time to think about this sort of thing [06:31] I suppose the easiest thing would be to add the wrapper genesis_startup or something from the menu or .desktop file and have it check if ~/.simrc exists and if not copy it. If they run it from the CL, they'll get the error and know what to do I suppose. [06:32] well, I think running it from CL should do the same thing though [06:32] but it should at least work from the menu [06:33] bddebian: IF you're worried about the command line interface, reference the wrapper in bristol. /usr/bin/bristol is a shell script that does all the fancy stuff, and /usr/bin/bristol.real is the actual executable. [06:33] Well we could hack the executable itself I suppose :-) [06:33] I'm just not sure if it's a good idea to move the genesis binary to binary.real [06:33] LaserJock: Why not, if it is to be wrapped? [06:34] persia: if something else relies on /usr/bin/genesis being the binary [06:34] it's probably perfectly safe in this instance [06:34] persia: I have to agree with LaserJock. What if something else expects it there? Say genesis-convert or whatever that is [06:34] but just moving around binaries seems a little invasive [06:34] bddebian: in that instance though still, the wrapper just calls genesis.real [06:35] so it's just adding a couple lines before executing it [06:35] I see. I'm not sure most of that can't be worked around using $*, but it's probably safer not to modify it (especially for non-regular users). [06:35] I can't see how it would do any harm [06:35] LaserJock: I mean /usr/bin/genesis-convert exists already. Does it expect genesis? [06:35] bddebian: doesn't matter though [06:36] Why not? [06:36] because it will get genesis if it runs genesis [06:36] it just has a couple lines of code inbetween [06:36] Ahh I see what you mean [06:37] but I can see if there was hardcoding somewhere there could be a possibility of something going wrong [06:43] Oh well, I digress and have to get my old butt to bed. Gnight gang [06:43] Good night bddebian === mwolson [i=mwolson@jpi-wlafyte-212-116.dmisinetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-24-0-153-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:57] oh my gosh, gnuplot just ploted my data as ASCII art! === mwolson [i=mwolson@jpi-wlafyte-212-116.dmisinetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Riddell [i=jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ciscosurfer [n=magic@216-80-124-12.snb-bsr1.chi-snb.il.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:27] Does anyone know if the Feisty devs or package maintainers plan on backporting Xfce 4.4 to Edgy? === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sladen_ [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-38d85e07cca2a6cd] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:47] ciscosurfer, http://launchpad.net/edgy-backports/ [07:47] and - ciscosurfer I'm one of the backports team - I'm not going to look at it - seems a nightmare - jdong might === Lutin [n=Lutin@sd-4736.dedibox.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:48] Mez: okay. Thanks for the repsonse though. Maybe I can get JDong to agree :-) [07:50] Mez: will it be in Feisty (or is it already?) [07:51] Mez: I realize you are on the backports team, but thought I'd ask anyhow :-) [07:51] ciscosurfer, -> #xubuntu [07:51] I dont use XFCE - ask in there [07:51] okay, i'll give it a shot [07:51] thanks === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zic_ [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === owh [n=onno@CPE-58-170-174-149.wa.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-130-124.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:43] TheMuso: Ping, re: espeak 1.18 === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ciscosurfer [n=magic@216-80-124-12.snb-bsr1.chi-snb.il.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:51] Could anyone familiar with C++ help me find the typo in this patch: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2521/ [08:51] nevermind. Sorry for the spam. === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:01] persia: spam? I usually don't think of 1 line as being spam [09:02] LaserJock: At least for my client, I receive notice whenever there is traffic, so useless traffic generates useless activity on my part. On the other hand, please take a look at bug 4736! [09:02] Malone bug 4736 in torcs "torcs b0rks preferences.xml and then crashes on it" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/4736 === RAOF [n=chris@202.63.35.99] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:15] persia: Surely there has to be other variables to replace than just <, >, and &? [09:15] s/variables/entities/ [09:16] StevenK: Torcs doesn't crash when I use ";" as a control character. What other characters do you suggest changing? [09:16] I'm not sure, since my XML escaping is a little rusty. [09:17] StevenK: I'm not familiar with all keyboards in use, but I think only ;, <, and > are common XML characters that are also unshifted characters on some keyboards. [09:17] Personally, I'd assign curParam->value to a temporary value, and then switch() on it, changing the temporary variable to the entity, and then printing the whole lot. === RAOF_ [n=chris@202.63.35.99] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin_ant [n=marcin@194.114.146.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:18] StevenK: I didn't think switch() worked for strings in C++, but I'm mostly famliar with C. [09:19] It's a char, not a string, surely? [09:19] StevenK: It's a string. The interface limits it to a single character for controls, but the same output interface is also used for things like the Player name, and I'm not writing a patch that separates that: upstream can change it if they really want. [09:20] persia: *nod* And use strncmp [09:20] StevenK: strncmp, not strcmp? [09:20] Hold on, is it a STL string, or a char *? [09:21] persia: A caveat is that my C++ is rusty as hell. :-) [09:22] StevenK: char* (my C++ is based on the assumption that mostly it's like C). === StevenK nods [09:22] Right, for char *, use strncmp(). STL strings come with their own comparsion routines and headaches. === persia goes to update the patch [09:23] Note strncmp() of course takes 3 arguments. :-) [09:23] StevenK: man page indicates strncmp(str1, str2, n). Does that match your memory? [09:24] Indeed [09:25] persia: Perhaps you should say strncmp() == 0, given that strncmp() can return less than 0, which means curParam->value was less than "&". [09:25] StevenK: Thanks for your refinements. I've been eyeing this bug for the past year, and this is the first time my solution worked without regressions. [09:25] persia: Any time. :-) === StevenK is looking forward to a drivable racing game under Linux. [09:26] persia: just for my interest..can i look at your patch ? [09:26] StevenK: Regarding strncmp==0, I've always thought !strcmp() was cleaner, but I suppose it is a personal preference. if (! (-1) ) should still not execute. [09:26] cypher1: see bug 4736 [09:26] Malone bug 4736 in torcs "torcs b0rks preferences.xml and then crashes on it" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/4736 [09:27] persia: thanks.. [09:27] persia: !strncmp() should match two cases, though? === RAOF_ is now known as RAOF [09:27] StevenK: Is your keyboard one of those affected? I thought the common keyboard there used shift for &, <, and > (and ; is kept in an awkward location). === RAOF_ [n=chris@202.63.35.99] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:28] persia: I have to shift for &, < and > [09:29] StevenK: That's what I thought. My understanding is that < is a base key only for some of Europe and Brasil, but I'm not certain of that. === guglielf [n=guglielf@unaffiliated/guglielf] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:31] I was going to use Dvorak as an example, but that requires shift as well. [09:32] StevenK: My understanding is that those characters are only base in places where the typography calls for common use as containers (e.g. ). === froom [n=frognu@ANancy-157-1-121-233.w90-6.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:33] persia: is "<" is what we have use to represent "<" in an xml file ? [09:33] cypher1: http://www.xml.com/pub/a/98/08/xmlqna0.html [09:38] persia: thank you.. how about the other two predefined entities ' and " [09:38] cypher1: I'm testing now... [09:38] persia: ok :) [09:39] cypher1: Thanks for prompting me. I'd been remembering my XML, rather than looking it up :) [09:40] persia: no problem :) === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:41] persia: i am looking for a bug to fix in C++.. any idea anything is open ? [09:41] persia: since i am learning C++ .. and would love to code something [09:42] persia: is ur name inspired from prince of persia ?? === did448 [n=didier@62.210.200.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:44] cypher1: No. I used to say "Yeah, and I'm the king of Persia" when someone said something obviously false (Persia chose to change it's name in the early 20th century, and never had a king). When I received my first UNIX account, I was assigned that handle. [09:45] persia: cool [09:45] cypher1: Take a look at bug 69433. Half the fun is finding the crash, at which point you get to fix it with C++. [09:45] Malone bug 69433 in glob2 "crash upon canceling of further campaigns" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/69433 === dholbach [n=daniel@scandic759.host.songnetworks.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === azeem_ [n=mbanck@host109.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:49] good morning [09:50] morning dholbach [09:50] persia: thanks.. let me have a look [09:50] dholbach: good morning ! === Seeker` [n=cjo20@ip-62-105-182-26.dsl.twang.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:07] hiya ajmitch, hey cypher1 [10:09] hi ajmitch, dholbach [10:10] hey raphink [10:10] hey raphink [10:10] what's up? === ajmitch is wishing that he got to code in python at work, not php [10:11] :s === raphink is having fun trying to see how far bash replacement strings can be used [10:11] instead of sed [10:11] I think the limit is not very high though :( [10:11] hehe [10:12] i.e. ${FOO##bar1%bar2} doesn't work [10:12] nor does ${FOO/.*_$[1-9a-z] *$\.changes/\1} [10:12] :( === TMM [n=hp@ip5650d1ab.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch tends not to touch those parts of bash [10:13] hehe === raphink adds dinstall-like basic functionality to his mirror scripts to send back "INSTALLED" mails to buildds :) [10:14] that's fun :) [10:15] nice :) === ajmitch was just playing with some list comprehensions with python [10:15] useful features [10:15] mhm [10:22] buildd/wanna-build is still quite complicate === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _Enchained [n=cyrille@88.166.169.102] has joined #ubuntu-motu === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:32] <\sh> moins [10:33] I'm looking over unmetdeps, and there are many binaries in universe that are no longer built. Could someone show be a template bug that matches those I should file. I have heard that OUTDATED doesn't include universe. [10:38] hey \sh [10:38] persia: search for one with UNMET in the title? [10:38] or is that not what you need? [10:41] ajmitch: The few I've just looked at aren't really what I need. They seem to either be rebuild requests, or require small patches to debian/control to build properly. I'm looking for a bug to complain about packages that are no longer built from current source. My memory is that Tollef reported that OUTDATED didn't include universe, and there seem to be a fair number in the unmet list. === dholbach [n=daniel@scandic759.host.songnetworks.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@243.207.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === davromaniak [n=cyril@AFontenayssB-152-1-52-99.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xerxas [n=r67894@AGrenoble-257-1-21-49.w86-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xerxas_ [n=r67894@AGrenoble-257-1-133-119.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asimon [n=andreas@p54A5FF25.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xerxas__ [n=r67894@AGrenoble-257-1-133-119.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:08] Hello, I lost connection during uploading something to REVU (gtk2-engines-qtcurve). Now I cant reupload the package because of already existing files. Is there something I can do to fix this (dcut doesn't seem to help) or should I mail the revu admins? Thanks. === doko [n=doko@scandic759.host.songnetworks.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:13] asimon: did you try 'dput -f *source.changes' ? [11:14] gpocentek: Yes, I still get an '553 Could not create file.'-error with -f [11:14] asimon: then mail the admins, they'll have to remove the existing files I think [11:14] Okay, thanks. === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xzu [n=otto@brucester.a20.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:21] hi [11:21] hello raphink [11:21] yop gpocentek [11:21] anyone knows why sbuild only tries to install the first build-dep when build-deps are listed with | ? [11:22] and if this is a normal behaviour for sbuild === segfault [i=segfault@ubuntu/member/segfault] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra_ [n=ogra@scandic759.host.songnetworks.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pochu [n=Pochu@198.Red-83-32-163.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === geser [n=michael@ubuntu/member/geser] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AnAnt [n=anant@81.10.9.182] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AnAnt [n=anant@81.10.9.182] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === ogra_ [n=ogra@scandic759.host.songnetworks.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob [i=RobertSt@freenode/staff/rob] has joined #ubuntu-motu === did448 [n=didier@LPuteaux-151-41-32-62.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:07] did anybody ever upload 'murrine'? [12:07] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4150 [12:07] it has two ACKs [12:08] but is not in NEW or in the archive nor anywhere else === ajmitch thought the 2nd ACKer should upload it usually [12:08] ah, subsequent uploads since the acks [12:09] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+queue?queue_state=4&queue_text=murrine [12:10] dholbach: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2007-January/001179.html [12:11] looks like murrine was rejected again === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:13] moin all === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feb6fb00-217.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _Enchained [n=cyrille@88.166.169.102] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:33] geser: you free to check over & ACK the needinfo bugs that ubuntu-archive is subscribed to? [12:34] there's 6 of them, all done by the debian maintainer [12:34] ajmitch: Hey, you're not supposed to delegate it. :-P === ajmitch needs to get to bed asap so that I can get to work in the morning [12:34] StevenK: it's what I do [12:34] :-P [12:34] StevenK: now that you've spoken up, you get the job [12:34] ajmitch: Can't, sorry. [12:35] rubbish [12:35] ajmitch: I would, but I'm in the middle of an after-hours callout for work [12:35] pfft [12:35] Hence the can't, sorry [12:35] and you're on irc :) [12:35] Yeah, well. [12:36] Maybe I might do them while I wait for a callback === ajmitch is doing some, it just takes some time to run pbuilder even for simple stuff [12:37] hm, I see doko ACKing some [12:38] doko: thanks, now I can go & sleep [12:39] If it's ACK time, perhaps someone would be interested in 80540 or 80404? === ajmitch wanders off for sleep [12:46] bug 80540 [12:46] Malone bug 80540 in openoffice.org-en-au "Please sync openoffice.org-en-au 2.1-3 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80540 [12:47] persia: It builds and installs fine on Feisty? [12:47] StevenK: It did for me. [12:48] StevenK: It's failing for me now. I'll take another look. Sorry. === StevenK is downloading the source [12:49] 40,840 1.59K/s ETA 55:06 [12:49] Go ftp.debian.org! === ryanakca [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:52] And http.us.d.o is not synced up, woo === naxxatoe [n=naxxatoe@chello080108013055.34.11.vie.surfer.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:57] StevenK: Don't bother. There's something odd (unless it's my build environment). Wait for the sync (or let someone closer hit it). [01:00] I have the source, it's fine === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:05] persia: It's because /bin/sh != bash [01:06] StevenK: My apologies then. My build environment was not ideal then. I'll reject and go make a patch. [01:06] persia: bashisms in debian/rules, like install -m644 en_AU.{aff,dic} th_en_AU_v2.{dat,idx} /tmp/buildd/openoffice.org-en-au-2.1/debian/usr/share/myspell/dicts aren't going to work [01:06] persia: It's fine. :-) Bug me when you want a sponsor [01:07] If you're quickish, anyway [01:08] Hi all [01:09] can someone review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4162 ? === Lutin [n=Lutin@sd-4736.dedibox.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:13] StevenK: Thanks. Patch up (on the bug). [01:13] Neat === StevenK looks forward to ignoring it [01:14] :-P === muzzol [n=muzzol@blah.jabber.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:15] Perhaps you should include the previous Ubuntu changelog entries, as well as saying "Merge from Debian unstable. Dropping all Ubuntu changes. Remove bashisms from debian/rules." ? [01:15] Like MoM does, etc etc === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-132-058.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:16] StevenK: All previous Ubuntu changelog entries are included in the Debian source. There are no preserved changes. [01:16] or rather, Debian merged all the changes (and documented it). [01:17] persia: Not the point, I still need the changelog entry for 2.1-1ubuntu1, so that all of the changes since then can be in the .changes file [01:17] im compiling cinelerra feisty packages with pbuilder from an edgy machine, is there any diference if i compile it from a feisty box? i mean if kernel and gcc versions can affect final package... [01:18] StevenK: Debian ships that changelog entry. I consider this to be a very special case. [01:18] They do?! [01:18] They do too, right, I take it back === pirast [n=martin@p508B2AC1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:18] StevenK: Yep. 2.1-2 is 2.1-1ubuntu1 + new changes. [01:18] Okay then, that's one point of two addressed. [01:19] StevenK: OK. I'll change it to MoM style. I thought it might be avoided in this case, as it wasn't really a merge. [01:19] Hrrrrrrm [01:20] I think it is [01:21] anyone? [01:22] muzzol: it'll be the same as with your feisty pbuilder [01:22] (the feisty machine, that is) [01:22] assuming it's updated [01:23] muzzol:it's the point of pbuilder [01:23] yes, i've just created the pbuilder feisty package [01:23] StevenK: How's this for phrasing (before I upload): Merge from debian unstable, all Ubuntu changes merged in Debian. [01:23] so the gcc package is the one iside pbuilder virtual chroot, not the one on my machine, right? [01:25] muzzol: correct [01:26] thanks Hobbsee [01:26] is what i thought but i just wanted to be sure [01:26] :) === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.120.21] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:31] persia: That works. Show me the debdiff. :-P [01:31] bye === muzzol [n=muzzol@blah.jabber.dk] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:34] StevenK: Posted. [01:35] Looks fine, applies fine. [01:37] Builds fine too === dholbach [n=daniel@scandic759.host.songnetworks.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:38] Installs fine three [01:40] Yay! I'm down to less then 7% of the u-u-s queue! Thanks. [01:41] persia: Uploading. Sorry for being such a nitpicky so-and-so. :-) [01:43] StevenK: No, it's a good thing. As Ubuntu grows it needs the stronger procedures to maintain order. Coming back after my last engagement, I am now motivated to follow processes, whereas before there was more work than the few around could do, and I still have bad habits. [01:44] Procedures shouldn't be a stick to beat people with, though. [01:44] Even if it is very fun. [01:45]