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[03:39] everybody's asleep and I'm not the right person to answer, but what do you mean ? [03:41] shackan: Well, I've done a lot of configuring and re-configuring on multiple Ubuntu setups (server, desktop, laptop, etc.), and I've installed, been disgusted with and uninstalled numerous GUI helpers, and in general, I'm just a little fuzzy on why networking is such a pain in the ass on Ubuntu. [03:41] (I don't have much experience with other distros, so it may be Linux in general, but I haven't heard nearly as many horror stories from users of other distros.) [03:41] I find the GUIs (especially NetworkManager) to be fine. [03:42] Fujitsu: NetworkManager *literally* became a nightmare for me. I had so much trouble with it that it actually disturbed my sleep one night. [03:42] I've not had trouble since 0.5 or so. [03:42] It was slow, buggy, inconsistent, crash-prone and unclear. [03:42] (which was ages ago) [03:42] When I tried it again a few weeks ago, it still was. :\ [03:42] I've never had it crash or be buggy. [03:42] Nor slow... [03:42] Tonren, I have to agree on network manager [03:42] I would create a "Home" location, but the next time I logged in, my location was "". I tried changing it to "Home", but when it tried to configure eth0, it sat there for ten minutes and then crashed. === Gman is now known as GmanAFK [03:43] Unsuitable in some cases, perhaps. But in quite a number of cases, it's great. [03:43] Oh, that's not Network Manager... [03:43] but I've just saved three profiles and occasionally switch between them [03:43] shackan: I couldn't even get it working right with two profiles. [03:43] That's gnome-system-tools' network configuration thing, and the profiles are known to be totally screwed. [03:44] Okay... so, gnome-system-tools' networking is the actual GUI thing, and NetworkManager is the systray applet. Right? [03:44] NetworkManager is completely independent from the g-s-t application. [03:44] well, the applet is just the NetworkManager applet, there's a daemon behind it [03:44] It sits in the systray, but isn't a panel applet. [03:45] Right, so there's a NetworkManager daemon and nm-applet. Is that right? [03:45] Correct. [03:45] Anyway - I tried to get the systray applet working for about a week (I must have spent between 1 and 2 hours on it a day, in #ubuntu and browsing the forums), and it just would not play nice with any of my network connections. The same story - lag, error. Lag, crash. Lag, lag, nothing. [03:45] Manually configuring my network interfaces on teh command line has *always* worked flawlessly [03:45] I've not had issues. [03:46] It seems that NetworkManager and g-s-t behave fairly well together in Feisty, which is good. [03:46] Once I login, I can do sudo -su; ifconfig eth0 up; dhclient -1 eth0; or ifconfig wlan0 up; iwconfig wlan0 ap any; iwconfig wlan0 essid any; dhclient -1 wlan0; [03:46] Tonren, that's still the only way to get it done right [03:46] (at least for me) [03:46] Those two things are like charms - they ALWAYS work. But as soon as I try to get anything configured *automatically*, be it through /etc/network/interfaces, or g-s-t or NM, everything goes to hell. [03:46] shackan: Same here [03:46] What shocks me is this. [03:47] Could people please have this discussion somewhere else? [03:47] mjg59, probably a good point. [03:47] If there are specific bugs, please report them [03:47] Mentioning them in here at this time of day isn't likely to result in any devs picking up on them [03:47] mjg59: Sorry... I'm not sure where else to talk about this. It's not *development*, per se, but it doesn't really belong in #ubuntu which is mainly a one-to-one support channel. [03:48] shackan: Fujitsu: Are you guys both in #ubuntu-offtopic? [03:48] no way, irc is already a great waste of time per se, no need for offtopic channels :) [03:49] shackan: That's what I think, too. ;P [03:49] mjg59: With all due respect, while our discussion isn't strictly dev-related, I don't think it is really negatively affecting the channel. [03:50] Tonren: With all due respect, you're welcome to feel that :) [03:50] uh oh, udev update. wonder if it breaks [03:50] so we can stop it here and not bug mjg59 further, as far as I'm concerned some wonderkind needs to rewrite a g-s-t done right from scratch, and it's not going to happen, I'm happy typing commands, I don't care if my aunt can't configure her network, she's not using ubuntu anyway [03:51] Wow. [03:51] But the fact that the channel is fairly idle isn't a great excuse for off-topic discussion [03:51] shackan: Tonren Fujitsu try #ubuntu-networking [03:51] Fair enough. [03:51] Hobbsee: Thank you. === Tonren [n=mcantor@ip68-107-129-32.tc.ph.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:55] mjg59: yay, quiet :) [04:03] mjg59: offhand, do you know who moderates kubuntu-devel? === Hobbsee needs that message to go thru *now* [04:03] er, more like when i sent it [04:03] ah, Riddell only === lifeless [n=robertc@ppp245-86.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi_ [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === CarlF1 [n=carl@c-24-13-53-221.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:37] yay, OK, we're not frozen yet === firephoto [n=tom@pool-71-115-214-25.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DB1ED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alex-weej [n=alex@halls-129-31-82-59.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger_t [n=tobias@p54A7246B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub [n=jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac_ is now known as asac === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:54] any core devs around to sponsor an upload? [05:55] morning [05:55] Hobbsee: what package? [05:56] fabbione: kopete [05:56] Hobbsee: do you have a debdiff somewhere [05:56] ? === Hobbsee watches fabbione say "oh please no, i dont deal in kde" [05:56] fabbione: yup. http://wedontsleep.org/~sarah/kdenetwork.debdiff [05:59] +--- kdenetwork/kopete/plugins/latex/kopete_latexconvertnew.sh 2007-01-30 15:07:41.000000000 +1100 [05:59] ++++ kdenetwork/kopete/plugins/latex/kopete_latexconvert.sh 2005-09-10 18:20:16.000000000 +1000 [05:59] +@@ -1,4 +1,4 @@ [05:59] +-#!/bin/bash [05:59] ++#!/bin/sh [05:59] why not fixing the script to be POSIX shell compliant? [05:59] argh, dammit. i diff'd teh wrong way around there? [05:59] that too.. [06:00] it doesnt work as /bin/sh [06:00] right but that's because the script is not portable.. [06:00] why not fixing the script instead of forcing bash? [06:01] hrm. i suppose "lazyness" isnt a good answer [06:01] neither is "i dont know how to" [06:01] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/71665 is the corresponding bug [06:01] Malone bug 71665 in kdenetwork "Problem with kopetex" [Undecided,Fix committed] === Hobbsee updates the diff to be the right way around. [06:11] Hobbsee: well i understand the bug, but it would be more wise to fix the script in the long run.. anyway it's ok to change sh to bash.. [06:11] it's just better to make the script portable as general case and where possible [06:12] fabbione: yeah, of course. i sent it upstream. i'm not versed in latex though [06:12] i stay away from latex.. it sounds too much like some BDSM thingy [06:13] hehehe, *exactly* [06:15] well ping me when you have the debdiff [06:16] fabbione: the updated one with /bin/bash and /bin/sh around the right way? i'ts there now. [06:16] [16:08] * Hobbsee updates the diff to be the right way around. [06:16] was there 8 min ago :) [06:16] oh well i thought you were still doing it [06:16] nope [06:17] hey i just woke up and didn't finish my first cup of STFU yet.. [06:17] hehe :) === Hobbsee has icecubes... [06:18] did you fix the patch manually? [06:18] yeah [06:18] then tested it [06:18] ie, it does patch === Hobbsee wishes her desk would stop growing paper. [06:19] Hobbsee: do you realize that ubuntu3 has been uploaded by Jonhatan? [06:19] patch -p1 < ../kdenetwork.debdiff [06:19] patching file debian/control [06:19] Hunk #2 FAILED at 130. [06:19] Hunk #3 succeeded at 141 (offset 1 line). [06:19] Hunk #4 succeeded at 276 (offset 1 line). [06:19] 1 out of 4 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file debian/control.rej [06:19] patching file debian/changelog [06:19] Hunk #1 FAILED at 1. [06:19] 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file debian/changelog.rej [06:20] fabbione: dammit. didnt know it existed, it hasnt been published. [06:20] well i just did apt-get source kopete [06:20] and that's what i got [06:20] it is published.. i am sure about it [06:20] otherwise it wouldn't be on my local mirror [06:20] fabbione: what was the full versoin? [06:20] kdenetwork_3.5.6-0ubuntu3.diff.gz [06:21] that's what i have here [06:21] dammit. not on the gb. mirror yet [06:21] use archive.ubuntu.com directly [06:21] gb. is a mirror [06:21] gotta go for a while now... [06:21] thought that gb. was the data centre [06:21] okay [06:21] will have to redo that patch anyway. [06:21] sod. [06:21] Hobbsee: send me an updated debdiff and i will upload later [06:21] i need to feed my son :) [06:22] fair enough :) === mpt_ [n=mpt@121-72-133-239.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MikeSmith [n=MikeSmit@dhcp00.ocn.mita.keio.ac.jp] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [i=zenrox@pool-71-115-200-45.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fdoving [n=frode@edge.lnix.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@raphink.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stu1 [n=stub@ppp-58.8.16.198.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob [i=rob@freenode/staff/rob] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-17af93c0621ab9e3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === quail [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rideout [n=rideout@71-215-90-16.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:59] Good morning [07:59] morning pitti [07:59] Hi pitti, and thanks for the azureus acceptance. === marilize [n=marilize@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:02] hey pitti === timfrost [n=timfrost@125-236-154-89.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:07] hey ajmitch [08:07] moin Fujitsu === shenki [n=shenki@ppp82-105.lns3.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === timfrost [n=timfrost@125-236-154-89.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-d7c5a858b53fe6d2] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:17] slomo: tomboy> please upload. [08:17] bhale: new beagle> will do === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:49] cjwatson: I need a minute to talk with you about bug 78862 [08:49] Malone bug 78862 in gnome-volume-manager "automatically mounts created file systems on live CD" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78862 [08:51] cjwatson: in particular, I'd like to know whether/how ubiquity disables g-v-m and unmounts already mounted partitions [08:53] pitti: it pokes some gconf key. [08:53] Mithrandir: right [08:53] Mithrandir: do you know whether it unmounts hard disks from /media? [08:53] before attempting to repartition [08:54] I'd think so, but I'm not sure. === carlos [n=carlos@20.Red-88-17-198.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nuscly [n=nuscly@29-231.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === haggai [n=halls@credativ.bcnadsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F75278.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:16] good morning [09:18] hey dholbach [09:19] hey pitti === dholbach hugs pitti === seb128 [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-17-107.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:30] hey seb128! *hug* [09:30] hey hey pitti === seb128 hugs pitti [09:33] grumpf [09:33] most of backtraces are "??"ish [09:33] that's so weird [09:33] yeah :/ === ssam [n=ssam@87.127.117.246] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua@122.0.230.7] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:46] is there a way to find which module would be loaded if I inserted a device with USB id 'X' ? === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F53DE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:46] or should I just modinfo everything and grep? [09:51] seb128: do you want to upload edgy-proposed nautilus for bug 73021? [09:51] Malone bug 73021 in nautilus "fm_tree_model_unref_node fails ref_count > 0 assert" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73021 [09:52] pitti: yep, thank you for the reminder, Colin replied during the sprint and I didn't have an edgy box handy to do it [09:53] seb128: great; please update the description a bit for people who are looking at that bug [09:53] well [09:54] ogra_: did you look into the pulseaudio fix? === trandism [n=trandism@dsl-83-171-240-33.customers.vivodi.gr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:54] pitti: "nautilus crash in random circumstance for users, see upstream number of duplicate"? [09:55] pitti: I'm not sure on what is useful to the description out of the fact that's a crasher and upstream is getting many duplicates which means it happens for many people [09:55] seb128: something like that, 'nautilus crashed unbearably often' [09:55] ok [09:56] seb128: I'm just reviewing the current huge pile of SRUs and see what can be cleaned up [09:57] pitti: updated description is ok? [09:58] seb128: WFM, thanks! [09:58] pitti: np, package uploaded as well [09:58] thank you for the reminder ;) [09:59] will process it in a minute [09:59] excellent [10:03] LaserJock: ping [10:04] LaserJock: can you please upload your fix to bug 75021 to edgy-proposed? [10:04] Malone bug 75021 in python-imaging "SRU: python-imaging missing dependencies (edgy)" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75021 [10:05] ah, no, you can't === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-13-196.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-13-196.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A66E2B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:07] hi mvo [10:07] pitti: nope, I can't, it isn't already in the queue for ubuntu-archive approval? [10:07] LaserJock: no, I'm just preparing/doing the upload [10:08] LaserJock: it has been approved a month ago [10:08] hmm, I had thought ajmitch had uploaded it for me [10:08] oops [10:08] I thought I had, maybe not? [10:08] LaserJock: uploaded, I'll accept the -proposed one in some minutes [10:08] sorry, LaserJock [10:09] ajmitch: np [10:09] LaserJock: but please do the QA bits [10:09] pitti: thanks [10:09] pitti: will do [10:09] pitti: so how much are we allowed to bug you about archive stuff? is it back to regular archive days for people? [10:09] argh, phone === masterar2ro [n=masterar@83.238.70.51] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _TomB [n=tomb@host81-156-203-232.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:15] ajmitch: I shall mainly care for SRUs now, but also doing syncs etc. [10:16] ajmitch: Mithrandir, Keybuk, cjwatson, seb128 and me need to sit down and do a new 'archive days' schedule and talk about responsibilities [10:16] ok [10:18] mvo: can the feisty task be closed on bug 75273? (I assume so, SRUs should be fixed in feisty first, but still...) [10:18] Malone bug 75273 in apt "Apt constantly sigsevs on edgy" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75273 [10:19] mvo: also, please upload your fix for bug 47044 [10:19] Malone bug 47044 in apt "apt cant work with disable proxy" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/47044 [10:20] pitti: I updated the bug status for bug 75273 [10:20] Malone bug 75273 in apt "Apt constantly sigsevs on edgy" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75273 [10:20] pitti: and will now do bug 47044 === pitti hugs mvo, thanks! === tkamppeter [n=till@bl7-104-110.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo hugs pitti for taking care of all this === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:28] rodarvus: ping, i810 on dapper [10:29] seb128: urgh @ the patch for bug 56610 [10:29] Malone bug 56610 in firefox "Automatic search from address entry doesn't work anymore" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/56610 [10:30] pitti: well, it's basically "trust upstream and the fact it's working in feisty for months now" [10:30] pitti: and epiphany browser is not the default browser anyway === Huahua [n=hua@122.0.230.7] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:31] seb128: first that, and second the bug doesn't seem to fall into the 'the sky has fallen' category we usually fix for stables [10:32] well, it fall into the "it really annoys epiphany users and they would appreciate to get it fixed" [10:32] seb128: ok, if you are confident that it works, I'll trust you [10:33] as said it has got plenty of testing on feisty [10:33] (and other distro which updated to GNOME 2.16.2) [10:33] seb128: it's just that the patch itself is unverifyable (e. g. domWindowPrivate ptr is not checked for NULL, etc) [10:33] ok [10:33] well, if you prefer we can drop the update [10:33] seb128: well, go ahead then, having it in -proposed would be nice [10:33] but I think it's not a real risk and it'll make users happy [10:33] ok, thank you === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:38] mvo: can you please add proper backport tasks to bug 68553, point out the feisty status, and explain whether both the dapper/edgy or just the dapper update of python-apt is needed? [10:38] Malone bug 68553 in update-manager "Dapper upgrade to Edgy: Frozen dist-upgrade and failed second run (in Finnish locales" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68553 === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === visik7 [n=visi@unaffiliated/visik7] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:38] hi [10:39] is there any plan to build a package of vmware-server like the one for vmware-player ? [10:39] for feisty ? === pythonmaster [n=enginkzl@85.107.136.27] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:39] hie everyone [10:39] vmware player doesn't even work with feisty or edgy [10:39] i have a big problem [10:39] not the current release [10:39] the joys of dbus crap [10:40] i want to upgrade dapper to edgy from live-install cd [10:40] someone can help me? [10:40] this is very important [10:40] Chipzz: there is the package for vmware-player [10:40] coz i amke some mistakes and that now my dapper look like very bed [10:41] is it not working ? [10:41] plz help me i am googling for hours [10:41] visik7: that doesn't work [10:41] could anyone please point me to the procedures on how to edit the Maintainer field when merging debian packages with ubuntu-local changes? [10:41] oh ok [10:41] how can i upgrade from edgy cd? [10:42] pythonmaster: #ubuntu is the channel for support requests [10:42] but they arent help me !! [10:42] strange a friend of mine use vmware player (the packaged version [10:42] its very strong problem [10:43] pythonmaster: it doesn't matter. this is not the correct channel for support. [10:43] you thing so simple [10:43] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField [10:43] and easy [10:43] visik7: it works on dapper. not on edgy or feisty [10:43] let me see [10:45] mvo: FYI, I added some more comments to bug 68553 [10:45] Malone bug 68553 in update-manager "Dapper upgrade to Edgy: Frozen dist-upgrade and failed second run (in Finnish locales" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68553 [10:46] pythonmaster: no, people here are trying to get work done. it's as simple as that [10:46] pitti: thanks, I'm updating the diff now [10:46] Chipzz: actually here works on edgy [10:46] I'm running it right now === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:48] pitti: bug 68553 updated [10:48] Malone bug 68553 in update-manager "Dapper upgrade to Edgy: Frozen dist-upgrade and failed second run (in Finnish locales" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68553 === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:49] hmm [10:49] mvo: apt/dapper-proposed accepted [10:50] pitti: thanks! [10:50] mvo: the update-manager task is for the dist-upgrader patch? === pythonmaster [n=enginkzl@85.107.136.27] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === mvo hugs pitti for going over those SRUs [10:51] pitti: yes [10:51] mvo: and it's not fixed and tested in feisty yet? [10:51] pitti: its fixed and tested in feisty, let me update the tasks. I used only milone targets for those bugs [10:51] sorry for being anal about it, but I'd like to see the bug statuses in good shape so that I can keep track properly [10:52] it was when the "backport to release" link disappeared [10:52] and I had not yet discovered the new one [10:52] 'target to release' [10:52] I know [10:52] now [10:53] pitti: being strict about this is fine, I will update the status [10:54] Chipzz: I can't find any bug on launchpad about problems running vmware-player in edgy or feisty, and actually I haven't any problem with vmware-player === jinty [n=jinty@64.Red-83-50-216.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:04] mvo: ok, if you wish, please go ahead with 68553 [11:06] pitti: thanks, I uploaded the package to dapper-proposed and edgy-proposed [11:06] mvo: care to poke at 77620 today? [11:08] siretart: regarding your openarena sync requests, they were done over a week ago, they've just not been NEWed. [11:08] Mithrandir: yes === Lure_ [n=lure@213.253.84.3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:14] Mithrandir: oh. Sorry, I didn't notice that NEW processing is currently lagging a bit === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-e63faa93572b299f] has joined #ubuntu-devel === davmor2 [n=davmor2@62-30-74-119.cable.ubr04.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-75-58.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:25] visik7: the live/desktop CD doesn't support upgrades; you need the alternate install CD for that [11:26] pitti: I set /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/automount_drives and /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/automount_media to false [11:26] cjwatson: right [11:26] pitti: I don't believe anything unmounts stuff from /media [11:26] cjwatson: I added a bug comment, it seems to be an inconsistent handling of gconf key setting in ubiquity [11:27] hmmm [11:27] it's not impossible I guess, but that's really really weird [11:28] it's definitely done in code common to both auto and manual partitioning === hagbart [n=hagi@adsl-62-167-103-224.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:28] pitti: want to eyeball it for me? ubiquity/frontend/gtkui.py in the ubiquity source package, search for 'def progress_loop' [11:29] that's the only function that calls install.Install() which is what actually copies stuff to disk, so it's definitely called [11:29] cjwatson: will do, after breakfast; thanks === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:29] pitti: oh, would g-v-m notice partitions being created even before filesystems are created? [11:30] pitti: gparted will create the partition and then partman will mkfs ... [11:30] but the gconf fiddling is done in between those two === pochu [n=pochu@179.Red-88-7-169.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:32] I think the right answer is probably to disable g-v-m for the duration of ubiquity === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:33] Mithrandir: what do you think about turning the new partitioner on by default for Herd 3? [11:33] we talked about it briefly at Oslo - the more testing it gets early, the better [11:33] but its UI is still incomplete === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:35] cjwatson: how incomplete is it? [11:35] it's got the partition list but no pretty disk UI at the top [11:36] so it's basically "double/right-click on items in this here listbox to do stuff" [11:36] I'd suggest trying it out - ubiquity --new-partitioner [11:37] you want to test it so we can find out about stability problems, I presume? [11:37] since testing the UI wouldn't be useful at this point [11:37] well, half the UI is there [11:37] but yes, basically [11:38] the underlying partman interaction is roughly the way I want it, modulo optimisation and features [11:38] so if that's breaking for people, I'd like to know [11:38] ok [11:38] maybe a couple of core-devs other than me should try it first [11:39] I could try it in a bit === herzi [n=herzi@p548FFBF8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:44] pitti: I've committed an alleged fix, but I'm in the London office today and I'm not sure I have any means to test it [11:45] it's in sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubiquity/trunk/ [11:49] seb128: thanks for looking after my bug 82153. who is maintaining ubuntulooks now, if anyone? [11:49] Malone bug 82153 in gnome-panel "[apport] gnome-panel crashed with SIGSEGV (dup-of: 66222)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82153 [11:49] Malone bug 66222 in ubuntulooks "gnome panel segfault/crash " [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/66222 [11:50] mdz: no real maintainers, the guys who work on it at the London sprint last year fix a bug every now and then and that's about it === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:54] pitti: apport-gtk crashs currently and when I close it, I get a crash again and the dialog pops up [11:55] pitti: hm, clicking on report problem makes it crash too [11:56] mvo: traceback appreciated === Lure_ [n=lure@213.253.84.3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:11] pitti: bug #82267 [12:11] Malone bug 82267 in apport "apport-gtk keeps crashing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82267 === nags [n=nags@125.22.84.63] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:11] pitti: I leave it in the state for now if you want me to test anything [12:12] mvo: great, thank you! === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> brown.freenode.net === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givr1 [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-63-48.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:17] argh, 18 unapproved things in dapper-updates [12:17] you can probably reject most of it, if it hasn't gone through the usual process. [12:18] right, will cross-check with bugs === sahin_w [i=kvirc@nat/hp/x-ce0d55f86a35057c] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:18] cjwatson: just took a look at the ubiquity commit; I agree that it seems safer to disable gvm entirely while ubiquity runs [12:19] cjwatson: folks can still mount their USB stick manually by clicking on the icon if they really want === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F75278.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kaptengu [n=kaptengu@c213-100-60-132.swipnet.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === davmor2 [n=davmor2@62-30-74-119.cable.ubr04.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:32] pitti: at the kopete removal request - the kopete source that was used to build kopete-dev. i think the kopete from that package has been superceded from the package built from kdenetwork [12:33] Mithrandir: thanks! [12:33] Hobbsee: ah, I see, kopete is now built from kdenetwork, too [12:33] pitti: indeed. [12:33] Hobbsee: alright, will remove the entire source package then === davmor2 [n=davmor2@62-30-74-119.cable.ubr04.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:33] pitti: we forked, then added it back [12:34] pitti: as upstream was using an ancient version of kopete with lots of bugs in it, and distributing it with kde. [12:34] Hobbsee: can you please put that into the bug report? [12:34] pitti: done [12:35] well, upstream did a separate release which we packaged [12:36] Hobbsee: kopete-meanwhile source and binary packages are also obsolete if you want to file a bug to remove them [12:36] Hobbsee, Riddell: just add that to the same bug report, since it's related [12:37] Riddell: that's in mainstream kopete now, isnt it? [12:37] Hobbsee: yes [12:37] cool [12:37] pitti: done [12:38] cjwatson: there are some installer-ish old dapper-updates uploads which haven't gone through SRU (apt-setup, germinate, installation-report, kickseed); what shall I do with them? === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:43] Gah, what to do with people filing their own tracker bugs? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-iso-tests/+bug/82248 [12:43] Malone bug 82248 in ubuntu-iso-tests "20070130: amd64, desktop, live, no network (vmware)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [12:44] It's well intended, just not quite right, Mithrandir ^ [12:44] I guess I should close it with some helpful advice === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@165.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:55] pitti: probably reject them, I'll put them through the proper process if necessary [12:58] cjwatson: alright [12:58] cjwatson: shall I keep debdiffs for you, or do you have them? === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:59] will feisty be LTS? [01:01] jwendell: no [01:04] thanks, Hobbsee [01:10] will feisty+n be LTS? [01:10] maswan, fsvo n :) [01:11] ogra_: and n>1 ;) [01:12] Well, is it known that n will be >1 yet? How about >2? [01:14] It came up in a discussion recently, how long we should stay off backporting newer kernels to dapper in the hope that there will be a new lts "soon". :) [01:15] personally, I think feisty+2. Bigger will cause transition problems for organisations which need a bit of time to test the new one. === tkamppeter [n=till@bl8-112-88.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB_ [n=tomb@host81-156-203-232.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=francis@unaffiliated/apokryphos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:28] cjwatson: this morning's livefs failed due to ubiquity-frontend-gtk, care to investigate? [01:29] Mithrandir: he'd have to be able to boot his machine first ;-) [01:30] elmo: ah, he's in London today. I forgot. === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:36] elmo: I ought to be getting hold of an MBP shortly, so I'll be able to deal with most of the remaining issues === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@165.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:41] pitti: it's ok, I've got them all [01:42] Mithrandir: already dealt with - will upload shortly [01:42] Mithrandir: (missing /usr/share/apport/ubiquity.py in the ubiquity binary) === pitti makes a mental note to add a raise somewhere to check out the apport bits [01:43] Mithrandir: had a chance to check out the new partitioner? [01:43] maswan: it will be >1 [01:44] cjwatson: I prepared and tested new dapper langpacks (we need to re-roll the -base packages, because the current update tarballs from Rosetta are missing lots of stuff); do you have some time in the next days to walk me through the process of uploading/silently approving? [01:44] s/approving/accepting/ [01:45] cjwatson: no, sorry. I'll do that now. [01:46] Mithrandir: that will be good for us yes, >2 will probably become a bit too long [01:46] cjwatson: *nods* === carlos [n=carlos@212-73-34-172.red-acceso.airtel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === visik7 [n=visi@host178-38-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fernando_ [n=fernando@189.0.151.168] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure_ [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:54] pitti: probably not today, but tomorrow, yes === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:Mithrandir] : Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with feisty) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Main frozen for herd 3 [01:54] cjwatson: thanks [01:55] Mithrandir: shall I upload ubiquity now to fix livefs generation, or wait for a new-partitioner decision? I haven't tested the fix for bug 78862 :( [01:55] Malone bug 78862 in ubiquity "automatically mounts created file systems on live CD on manual partitioning" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78862 [01:56] cjwatson: but the fix for 78862 should be trivial? [01:56] it's relatively simple but involved shuffling code around to completely different places [01:56] ok [01:56] cjwatson: I'm still rsyncing down the images, so if it's ok for you to wait an hour or so before a decision on the partitioner, that'd be good. [01:57] sure [01:57] cjwatson: i think #81782 might be either udev or something in the installer.. would you mind (when you have time) to just look at it? === giskard_ [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:59] fabbione: what's the correct module for this device? [02:00] r8169 apparently [02:01] cjwatson: seems like it yes [02:01] the strange thing is that there is an interface entry but no auto? [02:01] you're very quick to claim it isn't a kernel bug [02:01] could someone please approve g-a-i for feisty? I uploaded it 4min after main was frozen and it contains some fixes for the EasyCodecInstall spec [02:01] it's entirely possible that it is === Gerrath [n=Shane_@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:02] mvo: looking [02:02] Mithrandir: how frozen is main? [02:02] Hobbsee: frozen like uploads need review to be accepted [02:03] Hobbsee: depends on what you want to upload. [02:03] cjwatson: well d-i or the installer did find the interface and configure it. The driver works if configured manually or with dhcp (when adding auto eth0) === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:03] cjwatson: the driver is in the udeb [02:03] fabbione: the kernel emits udebs. if the udebs are wrong then it's a kernel bug. [02:03] seb128: well, yeah. was more a question of "how much persuading will be needed for it to be reviewed, instead of straight declined [02:03] " [02:03] you do not have the evidence to claim that it is not a kernel bug [02:04] cjwatson: so for what i can see it's not a kernel bug. tho i might be wrong.. but the last comment was referred to brian reassining it to the kernel [02:04] Hobbsee: well, what sort of change do you want to get accepted and why? [02:04] seb128: changes to kdenetwork [02:04] Hobbsee: for KDE stuff, I'll generally accept it if Riddell's happy with it. [02:04] cjwatson: it can still be a kernel bug.. but it has been reassigned to the kernel without proofs that is a kernel bug. basically the opposite of what you are trying to tell me [02:05] then say "we don't know whether this is a kernel bug yet", not "This isn't a kernel bug" [02:05] fabbione: the latex guys dont want to make the script with sh, as apparently it breaks on bsd, if it's not bash. go figure. [02:06] Hobbsee: well ok.. just send me a new dediff once you are ready [02:06] cjwatson: fair enough. [02:06] fabbione: Riddell's awake - might make more sense to get him to? *shrug* - thanks for the offer [02:06] Hobbsee: ok even better [02:06] fabbione: netcfg never emits an iface line without an auto line right above it. If that iface line was written automatically, then it wasn't by the installer. Personally I think it's much more likely that they added it by hand [02:07] mvo: accepted. [02:07] cjwatson: ok, thanks for looking into it. [02:07] thanks Mithrandir! [02:08] cjwatson: mind if i quote you there? [02:08] oh you already did [02:08] nevermind === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:10] seb128: eyed3 MIR approved [02:10] pitti: danke ;) === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Huahua [n=hua@122.0.230.7] has joined #ubuntu-devel === silwol [n=silwol@193.170.68.74] has joined #ubuntu-devel === silwol [n=silwol@193.170.68.74] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mako_ [n=mako@bork.hampshire.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:35] fabbione: see my update to the bug === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:36] cjwatson: good catch.. [02:36] cjwatson: did you also notice my last comment? [02:37] fabbione: yeah === Gerrath [n=Shane_@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:37] ok === Benson [i=benson@spurven.biz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:41] cjwatson: the new partitioner is.. fiddly. I'll be happy to have it if I get a blurb I can insert into the announcement telling people about it and what you want to get bugs about and what you don't want to get bugs about. === thekorn [n=markus@a81-14-164-112.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=markus@a81-14-164-112.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekor1 [n=markus@a81-14-164-112.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=markus@a81-14-164-112.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === DoomStick [n=user@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:04] Mithrandir: fiddly> agreed [03:05] help making it less fiddly also appreciated :-)) [03:05] I can give you a blurb, also including instructions on how to disable it [03:05] yes, please [03:07] pitti: I fixed bug 75017, should be okay this time [03:07] Malone bug 75017 in kubuntu-default-settings "SRU: remove /.hidden file " [Undecided,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75017 === stratus [n=stratus@cronopio.rits.org.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === silwol [n=silwol@193.170.68.74] has joined #ubuntu-devel === silwol [n=silwol@193.170.68.74] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:17] cjwatson: we have a new kernel incoming too, so I'll need a d-i upload in a bit. [03:18] sure, I can do that [03:18] ubiquity's uploaded [03:18] new kernel as in new ABI? [03:18] yes. :-/ [03:18] ubiquity already approved [03:23] Tonio_: ah, great [03:24] Tonio_: ah, that looks better [03:25] Tonio_: approved, see my latest bug reply [03:25] pitti: thanks, I'll follow next step === Mithrandir sighs. Alternate oversized. [03:30] and -desktop ppc oversized. Why does that keep growing? === carlos [n=carlos@62.87.104.136] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:33] cjwatson: got any idea for stuff to drop from the ppc alternate CD? It's 6MB oversized. [03:36] meh. give me a bit. === jdub fists his home server [03:38] we could drop cvs from ship, it'd save about 1.6MB [03:38] ++ :) [03:38] we should maintain a 'FirstAgainstTheWall' page [03:39] pitti: we've done this too many times for that to really be useful. [03:39] true === carlos__ [n=carlos@62.87.106.114] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:40] heh === KaSto [n=Herthane@p54BD1A1C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:47] tkamppeter: m2300w is FTBFS, thus I cannot yet approve for main; the other two drivers are ok [03:48] Heya === kent [n=kent@82.145.136.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel === silwo1 [n=silwol@193.170.68.74] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D8094.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:54] hmm, dropping foo2zjs and xfsprogs would get us more than 2MB === pirast [n=martin@p508B1EF9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mayday_jay [n=jason@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aba_ [i=aba@redruth.greenbean.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === masterar2ro [n=masterar@83.238.70.51] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:58] please don't drop xfsprogs [03:59] I get enough complaints about filesystems as it is [03:59] hm [03:59] got any other ideas? ppc is becoming more and more of a problem. :-/ === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:02] I sort of question the usefulness of the ISDN stuff on powerpc [04:02] how would it save us? [04:02] I'm also wondering if we can do something about the eog/gthumb/f-spot duplication [04:02] cue minefield [04:03] yeah. === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:08] can we drop the ltsp stuff from regular ship? It doesn't save much, though.. === TMM_ [n=hp@ip5650d1ab.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:09] ogra: ^-- [04:10] ogra: as in non-Edubuntu === davmor2 [n=davmor2@62-30-74-119.cable.ubr04.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:12] Mithrandir: daily-live kubuntu CD from today in decent shape [04:12] Riddell: the one where the livefs build failed due to ubiquity breakage? [04:12] Mithrandir, why ? [04:12] Mithrandir: the one that ended up on cdimage [04:13] ogra: the question is always "why not" [04:13] ogra: because the ppc CD is too big. [04:13] there needs to be a reason for each item on the CD [04:13] well, there are business reasons i think ... mdz always insisted to have it on regular ubuntu CDs as well [04:14] Mithrandir: bzip2ing ttf-arphic-uming and ttf-baekmuk would save about 2.5MB [04:14] ltsp itself is less than 200k [04:14] or around 200k === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-63-48.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:15] ogra: no, it's closer to 1.25MB with dependencies. [04:15] it pulls in a bunch of server bits though [04:16] cjwatson: that'd help a fair bit, yes. === hunger_t_ [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:16] which of the deps aren't there already? mdz thought there were none [04:17] Mithrandir: I'm about to be dragged into a meeting; if you want it now, doit, otherwise I can do it in a bit [04:17] dhcp3-server, for instance [04:18] openbsd-inetd [04:18] openssh-server [04:18] mknbi, nbd-{client,server} [04:19] pulseaudio [04:19] nfs-kernel-server [04:19] ssh is already there [04:19] thats about it === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-63-48.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:19] Mithrandir: another 1.5MB from bzip2ing ttf-kochi-{mincho,gothic} [04:20] obviously none of that helps desktop in the slightest [04:20] yeah, ship-live is even worse [04:20] but that has a bunch of langpacks still, I can make it not have that on ppc [04:21] how about we just drop the fonts [04:21] huh? ship-live has no langpacks [04:21] cjwatson: live has. [04:21] elmo: that'd make our CJVK users unhappy. [04:21] oh, right, that's where they went [04:22] our CJVK users already have no langpacks on powerpc ;-) [04:22] but seriously, we mostly ship the fonts so documents are readable even if the desktop isn't translated [04:22] no langpacks and no fonts make them even less happy, I imagine. But I guess we could move them to supported. [04:22] which apparently somebody at some point thought was more important [04:22] bzip2ing should get us the space back, given that I found 4MB there without trying too hard [04:23] being able to write and read documents in your native language is far more important than having the desktop translated. [04:23] yeah [04:24] tkamppeter: why are all the PPDs compressed independently [04:24] ? [04:24] $ for x in `dpkg -L linuxprinting.org-ppds | fgrep .ppd.gz`; do cat $x; done | wc -c [04:24] 3943574 [04:24] $ for x in `dpkg -L linuxprinting.org-ppds | fgrep .ppd.gz`; do zcat $x; done | gzip -9c | wc -c [04:24] 3503382 [04:25] oh, meh [04:25] $ for x in `dpkg -L linuxprinting.org-ppds | fgrep .ppd.gz`; do zcat $x; done | wc -c [04:25] 25091054 === duese [n=Ident@p5484CD07.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:26] tkamppeter: I guess that's too much of a space hit on installed systems, so ignore me === geser [n=michael@ubuntu/member/geser] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:38] Mithrandir: turns out I'm not in a meeting after all, so I'll upload these bzip2ings now [04:38] cjwatson: I just did -uming [04:38] but feel free to do the rest. === thesaltydog [n=fabio@ubuntu/member/thesaltydog] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thesaltydog [n=fabio@ubuntu/member/thesaltydog] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === Steven07 [n=hoppoi@190.128.175.138] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:39] meh, that was the only one I had built so far === Steven07 [n=hoppoi@190.128.175.138] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:40] do -kochi- and I'll do bakmuk? [04:40] I'm mid-download of baekmuk [04:40] did you add Pre-Depends: dpkg (>= 1.10.24)? [04:40] hm, no. [04:40] I should probably do that. [04:43] ttf-baekmuk (2.2-1ubuntu2) feisty; urgency=low [04:43] ttf-baekmuk (2.2-1ubuntu1) hoary; urgency=low [04:43] that just looks wrong === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zch [n=manuel@85-124-39-168.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:43] I'll do -kochi- now [04:47] there, new arphic-uming uploaded [04:47] mvo: what's in the dist-upgrader? [04:48] cjwatson, hmm, i seem to have live and desktop isos ... is that a temporary overlap or a bug ? [04:49] Mithrandir: mostly fixes and apport integration. but a fix for the cdromupgrade thing too [04:49] mvo: cheers. [04:49] Mithrandir: I can do you a (fake) debdiff if you want one [04:50] mvo: nah, it should be fine. === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:50] thanks [04:52] ogra: temporary, I'll clean it up, thanks [04:52] $ for x in `dpkg -L gnome-applets-data | xargs ls -ld | grep ^-r | tr -s ' ' | cut -d' ' -f8`; do cat $x; done | gzip -9c | wc -c [04:52] 6159826 [04:52] $ for x in `dpkg -L gnome-applets-data | xargs ls -ld | grep ^-r | tr -s ' ' | cut -d' ' -f8`; do cat $x; done | bzip2 -9c | wc -c [04:52] 4486855 [04:52] seb128: could you make that bzip2ed, please? dh_builddeb -- -Zbzip2 and Pre-Depends: dpkg (>= 1.10.24) === Xof [n=mas01cr@158.223.59.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === visik7 [n=visi@unaffiliated/visik7] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === amep [n=amp@66-234-34-40.nyc.cable.nyct.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:54] I am going to try to squash the usplash on AMD64 bug (gray splash screen, etc). But I know very little aboue usplash. Can anyone point me to some developer docs for usplash? I can't get it to run on a fully booted system for testing. [04:55] amep: then don't bother, it has a known fix. [04:55] just a matter of finding time to fix it. [04:55] Could I help push it through? === johanbr [n=j@JBrannlund.MathStat.Dal.Ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:55] I'm sick of getting emails about the bug. ;-) [04:55] heh [04:55] we're in a freeze now. I can try to fix it friday. [04:56] OK. [04:57] cjwatson: ok, will do [04:58] Thanks to everyone, by the way. I love Ubuntu. And I really appreciate all the work that goes into it. [05:00] BenC: could you consider bzip2ing linux-headers-$ABI, please? [05:00] $ compare-gzip-bzip2 linux-headers-2.6.20-5 [05:00] gzip: 7192873 [05:00] bzip2: 5980068 [05:00] cjwatson: In the .deb? [05:00] BenC: dh_builddeb -- -Zbzip2, Pre-Depends: dpkg (>= 1.10.24) [05:01] to get data.tar.bz2 rather than data.tar.gz [05:01] cjwatson: Didn't know we supported that, cool [05:01] the numbers above aren't totally reliable but they should be pretty close [05:01] since hoary or so :) [05:01] can't be used in Debian until etch releases [05:02] I had it working like 6 years ago, but no one wanted it :) [05:03] heh [05:03] Scott probably reinvented it === glatzor [n=sebi@88.134.194.143] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:03] vim-runtime will gain us another 1MB [05:03] has defaulting that to bzip2 been considered ? [05:03] yes, and rejected [05:03] (we considered it very early on) === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:04] it takes considerably more CPU to unpack, particularly on lower-power machines, so we only do it selectively [05:04] and on most debs it doesn't make much difference [05:04] right, it only gains you much on the big packages [05:04] I can't remember [05:04] I think it was based on an existing patch [05:05] hi Keybuk === thom remembers breaking the world with diveintopython back in hoary [05:05] pitti: I was wondering if apport has any duplicate detection abilities when submitting bugs [05:06] bdmurray: we provide a default bug title, LP's bug dup proposals should catch on that [05:06] bdmurray: in addition, we can add manual bug patterns [05:06] pitti: I don't think lp did then [05:06] then apport will say that it's a dup right away [05:06] in fact, bzip2 makes some packages bigger [05:06] $ compare-gzip-bzip2 vim-common [05:06] gzip: 181406 [05:06] bzip2: 198831 [05:07] pitti: if you look at bug 81727 I manually marked a lot of the dupes [05:07] Malone bug 81727 in gnome-app-install "[apport] gnome-app-install crashed with DBusException in __call__()" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81727 [05:08] Keybuk: is there somewhere an explanation for the different colors in the listings from the Merge-o-Matic? [05:08] bdmurray: hm, it seems that people who file bugs do not actually stop filing it and/or do not look at the dup list === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:08] pitti: ah! that explains a lot then [05:09] bdmurray: maybe we need to point this out stronger on the +filebug page [05:09] geser: package priorities [05:09] Keybuk: and how are the computed? [05:10] pitti: that's an idea === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:16] Mithrandir: can you increase the timeout for latex-cjk-chinese-arphic (the buildd timed out after 150 minutes of inactivity)? === amep [n=amp@66-234-34-40.nyc.cable.nyct.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [05:21] cjwatson: actually.. there is something that doesn't match in #81782 [05:21] is there a command which displays me the currently active library search paths? [05:21] cjwatson: how can it be a missing pci id if the booting kernel in dmesg is still edgy? [05:21] (and it loads the driver) [05:21] fabbione: no idea, maybe some other driver handled it [05:22] fabbione: have fun hunting it down :) === nags [n=nags@125.22.83.173] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:22] that other driver might not have been in the right udebs or something [05:22] cjwatson: that's ok.i am just trying to understand how you got to the conclusion that it was a pci/id [05:22] but yes it's possible [05:22] I looked at what driver currently handles that pci id and checked modinfo output to see what the drivers in edgy and feisty provided === seb128_ [n=seb128@83.194.69.254] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:25] geser: no, but infinity can === alex-weej [n=alex@halls-129-31-82-59.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:28] cjwatson: yeps.. r1000 in edgy and r81whatever in feisty [05:28] cjwatson: now everything matches [05:28] thanks [05:29] np [05:30] geser: from the Priority: field in the source package [05:30] (and thus the binary) === saispo [n=saispo@ryu.zarb.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:30] Keybuk: thanks [05:33] geser: err, are you sure it's actually doing anything? [05:33] 150 minutes of build time on our buildds is a _lot_ of CPU time [05:34] \sh build it successfully on his 2xdual core amd64 16GB machine in 3 hours [05:36] ugh, ok [05:36] (then like mithrandir said, infinity is the man to talk to) [05:37] geser: make it output a dot or something every so often, then. [05:37] oh yeah - or that might be a better idea === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-77-240.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:44] Mithrandir: have you released that greasemonkey script for auto-responses to bugs anywhere yet? [05:44] cjwatson: http://err.no/src/lp_stockreplies.user.js [05:44] needs source code hacking to change the replies, but that should be easy enough [05:44] b!z!r! :) [05:45] cjwatson: seb128 has a version on his people page, too === rpereira [n=rpereira@ubuntu/member/rpereira] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:45] dholbach: doesn't integrate well into firefox. [05:45] fabbione: is bug #38409 a duplicate of bug #81598? [05:45] Malone bug 38409 in Debian "creation of snapshots fails unpredictably" [Unknown,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38409 [05:45] Malone bug 81598 in lvm2 "[SRU] lvm2 check if device is md is broken on big endian machines" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81598 [05:46] Mithrandir: what? bzr? [05:46] siretart: no [05:46] ok [05:46] dholbach: yes. [05:46] dholbach: as in, storing greasemonkey script in bzr doesn't really fit, since greasemonkey has a directory where stuff's stored, including a metadata-file [05:47] right... I just thought that people would want to hack on it, change it, etc - where bzr is a better fit [05:47] but I understand what you're saying [05:47] <\sh> hmmm...debuild -S bugs me because of UTF/unicode chars in the debian/changelog..how can I tell him to be unicode clean? ,-) === duese [n=Ident@p5484CD07.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:50] <\sh> anyways...going home === HrdwrBoB [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-77-240.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman_ [i=gman@nat/sun/x-0ffb3c9e994fc92f] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [n=herzi@p548FC75A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@88.134.194.143] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos__ [n=carlos@62.87.58.176] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gerrath [n=Shane_@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pochu [n=pochu@179.Red-88-7-169.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:25] cjwatson: This bzip2 thing for linux-headers-* isn't going to be easy [06:25] cjwatson: It's built by make-kpkg, and there's no way to pass arguments to "dpkg --build" for the package creation === BenC chalks up another reason to ditch kernel-package for feisty+1's kernel build === mako [n=mako@bork.hampshire.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:27] BenC: ah, ok [06:27] cjwatson: feisty+1 I'll do it === TerminX [i=ba505037@adsl-68-121-163-0.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mako__ [n=mako@bork.hampshire.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:33] BenC: out of curiosity and not keeping up with stuff, how's systemtap support doing? === gus_m [n=maskowit@213.18.121.71] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:36] maswan: KPROBES is enabled so the kernels support it (as far as I can tell) === mako___ [n=mako@bork.hampshire.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:36] s === gus_m [n=maskowit@213.18.121.71] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [06:37] BenC: well, it needs DEBUG_INFO too, AIUI [06:38] maswan: We have that too :) [06:38] BenC: ah, ok. just me not keeping up then. :) [06:38] the linux-image-debug packages have the raw -g kernels [06:38] BenC: no, the conf option DEBUG_INFO, bloats the kernel quite a bit [06:39] yes, I know [06:39] BenC: but yes, I did look at that and oprofile works neatly now. thanks. :) [06:39] that's why they aren't installed by default === maswan nods [06:39] DEBUG_INFO does enable -g and disables -fomit-frame-pointer too I think === maswan nods again [06:40] like zero runtime change, but helps in backtracing and stuff [06:41] Ah, right. I'm just talking, last thing I looked at was edgy, not current stuff. [06:41] Sorry, will try to look at testing new stuff out too. :) === cypher1 [n=cypher1@59.92.223.33] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:48] Keybuk, hi [06:49] cypher1: hi [06:55] Keybuk, i had been look at NoUsplashTimeout Specification [06:55] Keybuk, can i pm you for that ? [06:56] sure === holycow [n=a@mail.wjsgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-77-240.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tkamppeter [n=till@bl7-127-121.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:59] Mithrandir: vim-runtime saves another 1MB, so I'll upload that [07:01] cjwatso, there was already discussion about making the PPDs occupying less space. See bug 39847. [07:01] Malone bug 39847 in foomatic-db "Getting (more) manufacturer-supplied PostScript PPDs onto the Ubuntu desktop CDs" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39847 === hunger [n=tobias@p54A7246B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:03] BenC: bzip2 saves nearly 3MB out of linux-image-2.6.20-5-powerpc === hunger [n=tobias@p54A7246B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:07] tkamppeter: thanks [07:08] are there any Human design guidelines? [07:08] a bit like Tango's === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d54C0EE14.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pochu [n=pochu@179.Red-88-7-169.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pochu [n=pochu@179.Red-88-7-169.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-113-254.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MacSlow [n=mirco@unaffiliated/macslow] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:10] mdz, ping === phanatic_ [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phanatic_ is now known as phanatic === pochu [n=pochu@179.Red-88-7-169.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:18] <_ion> Seems like i hit bug #80938 while installing Xubuntu. [07:18] Malone bug 80938 in ubiquity "do_remove BrokenCount assertion can fail" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80938 === glatzor [n=sebi@88.134.194.143] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D8094.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:25] _ion: only if do_remove was in the traceback; if it was mark_install instead, then it's a different bug that's been fixed [07:25] the do_remove case is a lot more complicated and I haven't worked out the correct fix yet === phish [n=nevion@cpe-76-170-180-87.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:26] <_ion> cjwatson: It was. [07:26] if I was to request a module (specifically pata_atiixp) be included in feisty, where should I make such a request? [07:28] phish: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+filebug [07:28] cjwatson thanks [07:34] bdmurray: beastie 80444 should be fixed with kdenetwork -0ubuntu4 === okaratas [n=ozgurk@irssi/user/okaratas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:39] Riddell: How is that? [07:42] bdmurray: because we included a fix for it [07:42] but it would be useful if you could check that it works [07:45] I meant I didn't understand the relationship between the kcontrolcenter being empty and kdenetwork === beuno [n=martin@68-155-114-200.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:46] bdmurray: oh sorry, I ment kdebase -0ubuntu4 [07:47] ah, okay cool. 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So I tried to go to launchpad to report it as a bug. And it told me that encryption support is not installed, so I can't see launchpad [09:02] openssl, libssl and whatnot seem to be all installed === mdz_ [n=mdz@87-194-36-33.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pinskian [n=rack@unaffiliated/pina] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:10] exacly why was ubuntu ppc support withdrawn? [09:13] err, it wasn't? [09:13] it has [09:13] there isnt even a channel for it now [09:13] why? [09:14] there are still downloads [09:14] people just decided having a special channel wasn't worth it, i guess [09:14] oh [09:14] it wasn't an "official" channel or anything [09:14] but ik mean there's no suppport for it right? [09:14] cause most of us dumped it for debian as there was no support for it i heard [09:14] debian ppc [09:15] it's just as supported as x86 and amd64 [09:15] not quite as debian ppc's right? [09:15] had some difficult with it [09:15] thats when i switched [09:15] difficulty [09:16] it is no more or less supported than debian's ppc builds [09:16] if you had problems with the the solution was to file bugs :) [09:17] i could never get 5 to boot on the imac i had [09:18] but really without imac im doing much better with ubuntu [09:19] 5? [09:19] basically couldnt get it to run ubuntu on it [09:19] *shrug* [09:19] yeah [09:20] cjwatson: yes, thanks. [09:20] /join #ubuntu-ppc :) [09:20] was an old mac [09:20] 233 mhz or something [09:20] it redirects [09:20] :P [09:20] yes [09:20] support questions go to where it redirects :) [09:20] hehe [09:20] never mind its off my system [09:20] ubuntu plain and simple is elegant [09:21] Amaranth: you recommend using all x86 machines? [09:22] i've got ubuntu on a mac mini [09:22] sweet === newbie [n=kvirc@dsl-207-112-92-130.tor.primus.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:23] hi, is there any process that is going on for unsupported fn keys on specific laptops. i have one laptop maybe i can help... === newbie [n=kvirc@dsl-207-112-92-130.tor.primus.ca] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Time] [09:25] sabdfl: I'm not sure to have understood in -meeting, ubuntu-devs are approved as usual during this meeting or not? (except EtienneG) [09:27] Adri2000: yes === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:28] i asked etienneg to go to motu specifically because he's canonical and i didn't want any shortcuts [09:28] he's good but not yet known to the motu [09:28] ah, ok :) === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Loevborg [n=loevborg@dslb-084-056-056-199.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:46] heck, i think for everything else ubuntu is a lot nicer to use than windows [09:46] i even was burning an iso yesterday.. the file was on my desktop, i right clicked it and clicked burn, and that was that [09:46] :P === trappist [i=trappist@tra.ppi.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:48] when is UVF for feisty? [09:48] kylem: ping [09:49] trappist: a couple weeks ago, i think [09:49] Amaranth: oh :/ [09:49] Amaranth: nope, feb 8th [09:49] trappist: oh, no, it's the 8th [09:49] yeah [09:50] so if i want my app in universe i should have it ready by the 8th then :) [09:50] Amaranth: new apps get until the 22nd for universe (iirc) [09:50] Amaranth: thanks [09:51] bdmurray, yo. [09:51] ajmitch: wiki sas 8th [09:51] err, says === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:51] iwj: the trigger stuff looks very interesting. [09:51] Amaranth: no, feature freeze for universe is 22nd on the wiki [09:51] Amaranth: that's what we decided as the date for new packages [09:52] Amaranth: note that you should have it in the NEW queue well before then, since the queue sometimes is lagging a little. [09:52] oops [09:52] not going to happen unless i write 1000 lines of bugfree code in 24 hours then :) [09:53] featurefreeze means it should have the features, not the lack of bugs. [09:53] that's not a feature, that's a bug fix! :D [09:53] kylem: I was looking at this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingACPI . Have you looked at it at all? [09:54] bdmurray, no, i've not. reading now. [09:54] I says to report acpi bugs against the kernel [09:55] that's right. [09:56] okay, then from there do they go to acpi and acpi-support ? === trappist [i=trappist@tra.ppi.st] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [09:56] and do the more info requests look good to you? [09:56] no, "acpi" is almost certainly the wrong package. It's just a small shell script. [09:57] Mithrandir: thanks, that's good to know [09:57] yeah, the more info requests are fine. might want to add about asking for their dsdt but that's about it. [09:57] and the dsdt is usually not needed... [09:58] kylem: so bug 82188 should really be linux-source-# [09:58] Malone bug 82188 in Ubuntu "Brightness control via ACPI in HP notebooks" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82188 === _human_blip_ [n=mike@202.83.118.25] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pochu [n=pochu@179.Red-88-7-169.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:00] that looks like a problem with user tools if the kernel is able to change the brightness. [10:01] got it === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:01] mjg59, ping? can you shed a bit of light for us, o laptop god? :) [10:01] Yeah, give me a sec [10:02] Ok, that interface has historically not worked at all [10:02] So I don't think hal will attempt to use it [10:03] the /proc/acpi interface? [10:04] Yes === Loevborg_ [n=loevborg@dslb-084-056-056-116.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === human_blip [n=mike@202.83.118.25] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-6-166.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _human_blip_away [n=mike@202.83.118.25] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:38] seb128: gnome-applets accepted; thanks. [10:39] np, thank you === Ingar [n=saltvik@ti500720a080-11434.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:42] does that mean I need to test it again? :) [10:42] hey Simira [10:42] good evenin [10:43] well, not testing anything today. I'm off to bed. G'night [10:52] fabbione: Bug 81125 is approved for an upload on Friday. [10:52] Malone bug 81125 in glibc "libc6 update for Edgy fails due to sanity check" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81125 === ivoks [n=ivoks@1-234.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:52] sfllaw: ok. you can remind me at the office :) [10:53] fabbione: This was merely me following SRU procedure. I'll likely forget before you do. :) [10:56] mdz: can I ask you a question about the source maintainer mangling we are supposed to do? === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TerminX [i=d25875a5@adsl-68-124-78-16.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-6-166.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === human_blip [n=mike@202.83.118.25] has joined #ubuntu-devel === human_blip [n=mike@202.83.118.25] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:08] Mithrandir: please accept the gnome-control-center update for herd3, it fixes a bug which wipes the user directory [11:08] ouch [11:08] (looking) [11:08] Novell guys did something stupid [11:08] they add and remove autostart apps from their new shell [11:09] ! === Mithrandir blinks [11:09] and they do it based on a gconf key with user_dir, gconf_dir, filename [11:09] when gconf_dir is not set they basically rm -rf user_dir === Mithrandir blinks. Again. [11:10] accepted. [11:10] thank you [11:10] Mithrandir: did kdenetwork never get accepted, or did Riddell not upload it? [11:11] ahh, was that the "OMG Control Center ate my ~/"? [11:11] seb128: that's disturbing [11:11] Hobbsee: it hasn't hit the unapproved queue, ttbomk [11:11] haha [11:11] LaserJock: that was https://launchpad.net/control-center/+bug/78500 [11:11] Malone bug 78500 in control-center "gnome-control-center wipes out /home/user" [Unknown,Unknown] === mdke makes a mental note to backup before any future upgrades === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:12] seb128: in which case did it do that? [11:12] seb128, sweet jeebus. [11:13] Mithrandir: right, i'll bug the relevant people then === human_blip [n=mike@202.83.118.25] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:14] Mithrandir: when left clicking on a shell item and using "remove from the startup list" if the program was not to the startup list [11:14] or maybe even if it was, I'm not sure sure now [11:15] (if you don't have gnome-main-menu installed) [11:15] I wonder why it'd add the -r [11:16] (they shipped the gconf schemas with gnome-main-menu, but not with libslab which is used by the shell) [11:16] well, they don't call "rm -rf" [11:16] they call gnome_vfs_xfer_delete_list on the dir [11:16] which does the same job :/ [11:17] it should call something which tries to remove files, not directories. [11:17] IMO [11:17] mjg59: remind me again what exactly the amd64 framebuffer usplash grayscale issue is---it's just not possible to program the palette entries over 16 ? [11:17] that code should probably be changed to use delete_uri on the item rather [11:17] Mithrandir: yeah, I was thinking the same [11:17] I'll fix it probably [11:17] bug #67545 really needs a good answer lif [ "$HAL_PROP_LAPTOP_PANEL_ACCESS_METHOD" = "sony" ] ; then [11:18] Malone bug 67545 in usplash "usplash appears black and white (grayscale) on amd64" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67545 [11:18] sladen: No clue, don't care. It's going to stop using vga16fb. [11:18] # echo "{1..8}" > /proc/acpi/sony/brightness [11:18] cack [11:18] sladen: it's using the vga framebuffer for various reasons. [11:18] # http://popies.net/sonypi/2.6-sony_acpi4.patch [11:18] echo "$((value + 1))" > $HAL_PROP_LINUX_ACPI_PATH [11:25] "various"---suspend related, setup related? What can I shove in the bug report. === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:38] Mithrandir: ^^can you remember any of the reasons? [11:38] sladen: yes. [11:39] Mithrandir: "with specificity" ? [11:42] (other than the contents of the changelog; which shows the change to bogl/vga16fb, but not the reason) [11:42] the current x86emu in the usplash source tree doesn't work correctly on amd64 [11:45] Mithrandir: thanks, that'll do, ta === ivoks [n=ivoks@1-234.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:48] does anyone know if lvm has to be a module to do root-lvm? === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-128-7.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:51] Mithrandir: ping? [11:51] Hobbsee: You sent me a contentless ping. This is a contentless pong. Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around. [11:51] Mithrandir: bleh. [11:51] Don't you love those? :-) [11:51] yep :) [11:51] particularly when i use them myself [11:52] just not automatically [11:52] Hobbsee: hehe === Hobbsee loves error code -12263 [11:52] that tells me *nothing* [11:52] cjwatson, ping === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:53] hey guys [11:53] Hey cbx33. [11:53] hi TheMuso [11:54] who knows much about DES here? [11:55] I'd say nothing because I don't even know what DES is. === TMM_ [n=hp@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === human_blip [n=mike@202.83.118.25] has joined #ubuntu-devel === human_blip [n=mike@202.83.118.25] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:01] Mithrandir, i have two fixes for pulseaudio i'd like to upload, debdiff is here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/pulse.debdiff [12:02] Mithrandir: I uploaded an another gnome-control-center which uses g_unlink on a file rather than gnome_vfs_xfer_delete_list on an uri, that can go after herd3 though, the previous version already fixed the problem, the new one is just cleaner [12:02] ogra, having problems with the DES [12:03] cbx33, did you try to switch to python-crypto ? [12:03] using the Crypto.DES [12:03] it should offer the same functionallity [12:03] they encrypt to different ciphers [12:03] what on earth are you using DES for in this day and age? [12:03] >>> des=DesCipher('01234567') [12:03] >>> des.encrypt("01234567") [12:03] '\x16\xdbs\xceb\xd5\xb7q' [12:03] >>> des=DES.new('01234567') [12:03] >>> des.encrypt("01234567") [12:03] '\xc5\n\xd0(\xc6\xda\x98\x00' [12:03] >>> [12:03] vnc authentication [12:03] even though the sngle functions might differ [12:04] elmo, there is a vnc wrapper cbx33 wants to use in the thin-client-manager ... seems vnc needs DES === tormod [n=tormod@80-219-112-71.dclient.hispeed.ch] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] [12:05] the vnc wrapper shipped its own DES code, stolen fron an at&t source with a wonky license ... so he needs to reimplement it in python-ltsp ... [12:05] *from [12:05] err [12:05] *python-crypto [12:05] but it's not giving the same results [12:05] and I don;t know enough about DES to understand why [12:06] I found another project who nicked the same code [12:06] that's 3 projects [12:06] that doesnt make the license more valid [12:07] no [12:07] just funny is all [12:07] I wasn't using it to validate === rpereira [n=rpereira@ubuntu/member/rpereira] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:08] so any DES experts here? === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel