=== sc0tt_ [n=sc0tt@cpc1-stok5-0-0-cust513.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #edubuntu === sc0tt_ is now known as sc0tt === SkirK is now known as SkirK_WoRkSpAcEs === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === felipe__ [n=felipe@190.11.1.52] has joined #edubuntu === cliebow_ [n=cliebow@cpe-76-179-82-249.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu === freet15__ is now known as freet15 === nofxx [n=Miranda@201-048-020-066.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br] has joined #edubuntu [02:49] Hi, I'm having problems with LTSP..booting 64 bits machines... anyone sucessful booting 64 bits thu PXE? === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:50] I was using ubuntu.. gonna try edubuntu now... [02:51] Heya [02:53] ruoeiwurowqeueiwouwerewpioruwqeruoieuqwr [02:53] ops...sorry === pitux_ [n=pitux@155-93-20-190.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu [02:59] what's the difference "install to hard disk" and "install a worstation" in the edubuntu cd? === pitux_ is now known as pitux [03:09] hm..after install to hard disk it says "Decompressing Linux...Done" "Booting the kernel" ... and stops... [03:09] I can write with the keyboard...hum...what I'm not doiing ? === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === pitux [n=pitux@155-93-20-190.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === [Salvation] [i=Salva@d5153D315.access.telenet.be] has joined #edubuntu === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock === jbrefort [n=jean@mar44-2-82-227-215-241.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.102.134] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === n2diy [n=darryl@66.212.42.3] has joined #edubuntu [08:02] morning all [08:19] morning RichEd [08:20] hey highvoltage [08:20] gotta minute for me ? [08:33] ping highvoltage : are you very busy ? === posingaspopular [n=ubuntu@adsl-68-255-109-232.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:37] room: i need some help. anyone available? [08:38] posingaspopular: that's a bit general - ask your question ... and see who responds [08:40] I have a d-link dI-541 wireless router and I need a wireclass that will support edubuntu and the wireless [08:44] posingaspopular: does your default edbuntu install not pick up a vaild signal ? === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [08:45] RichEd: I don't have a wireless card yet. I need to buy one. === n2diy [n=darryl@66.212.42.3] has joined #edubuntu [08:46] Ahh ... okay. I've only used built-it wireless, and have never had any hasles. The issue is more related to the ubuntu core than to the edubuntu variant ... I suggest you ask on #ubuntu where there are many more people active. [08:46] *built-in [08:48] RichEd: thanks. I built my computer myself and never got around to buying a card. my main computer is being used all the time and I need to do HW so I need my personal computer to connect wirelessly === cliebow_ [n=cliebow@cpe-76-179-82-249.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.102.134] has joined #edubuntu [08:48] what country are you in ? do you have a wide range of options to buy from ? [08:52] states. i duno about options, ive just decided to buy it and im trying to do preliminary research [08:53] Well if ask in #ubuntu ... you'll get quite a few stateside people there ... some of who will have had personal experience. [08:54] RichEd: thanks, im in there now [08:55] RichEd: sorry, I'm back now [08:56] highvoltage: no problem :) i'll msg you [08:56] ok === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [i=c2df514b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-bdb38d974261c646] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=Julius@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === willvdl [n=will@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #edubuntu === klklkl [n=mark@84-72-81-195.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #edubuntu === meduxa [n=agustin@84.Red-217-127-164.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu === SiCk [i=wakeupha@cpc2-blfs2-0-0-cust190.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #edubuntu [10:00] ello one and all [10:02] 'ello SiCk [10:04] how's you? === rpereira [n=rpereira@ubuntu/member/rpereira] has joined #edubuntu [10:27] highvoltage, installing freedom toaster. Did You Know it runs off a Breezy server install? === willvdl_ [n=will@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #edubuntu === m300107 [n=mark@84-72-81-195.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #edubuntu === m300107 [n=m300107@84-72-81-195.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #edubuntu === adamix [n=paolo@151.76.241.152] has joined #edubuntu === sc0tt_ [n=sc0tt@cpc1-stok5-0-0-cust513.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #edubuntu === sc0tt_ is now known as sc0tt [10:44] &bindaddr=127.0.0.1:8118 === jinty [n=jinty@132.Red-88-15-138.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === willvdl [n=will@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #edubuntu [10:46] willvdl: nope [10:46] willvdl: although I had a vague idea it did [10:47] willvdl: I've never touched FT software before though [10:48] trying now quick. jsut worried about HW compatability for new chipsets (it didn't find my NIC) [10:53] http://allafrica.com/stories/200701250138.html [11:10] highvoltage, what linux OS is likely to run on a P1, 32Mb Ram? (standalone) [11:12] willvdl: Debian 2.0 ;) [11:13] willvdl: you can get Linux to boot on a PC with 32MB RAM, but if you're looking for a full distrbution with X and everthing, I doubt that the PC will still be of much use [11:13] yeah. shame, got a guy in Indonesia who received CD's through ShipIt but his hardware is soooo old [11:13] willvdl: it might still be useful as a smoothwall box though [11:13] willvdl: http://www.smoothwall.org [11:13] erm, I don't think they guy has much need for a firewall :) [11:15] hi will ... did you respond tio my request and comments in the other channel ? news and nigeria === m310107 [n=m310107@84-72-81-195.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #edubuntu [11:25] ogra: go on [11:25] call me a genius [11:26] we now no longer need crippled_des.py [11:27] license problem over === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === edubuntugirl [n=edubuntu@ubuntu/bot/edubuntugirl] has joined #edubuntu [11:36] edubuntugirl: please behave yourself this time [11:36] ok [11:36] hello [11:38] Hi, sorry to interrupt, I'm looking for instructions on how to install a thin client (old machine) with a 3GB hard drive. I can't find any decent instructions on the edubuntu webpage. Can someone help? Thanks [11:39] hi jsgotangco [11:39] m310107: hi, does the computer have a PXE capable network card installed? [11:40] m310107: this should be able to help you: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ThinClientHowto [11:45] thanks, no i don' think the bios will support pxe boot, its an old box. I'd have to install a boot image that sorts this out. thx for the url. [11:50] Thx. Am using Ubuntu 6.10 for the server, so this info looks just right. [11:55] cbx33++ [12:08] highvoltage, is it you that adds all these thingies to edubuntugirl? === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === m310107 [n=m310107@84-72-81-195.dclient.hispeed.ch] has left #edubuntu ["thanks] [12:20] ogra: will send you along the source and the book chapter... [12:20] and I'm gonna have a night off tonight === willvdl [n=will@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #edubuntu [12:21] i don't know why on earth they didn't bother doing that in the first place with the pyvnc2swf viewer [12:21] it's not exactly hard [12:21] and it seems to work fine === m300107 [n=m300107@84-72-81-195.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #edubuntu [12:56] willvdl: I add some of the thingies, yes :) [01:10] cbx33, have you a minute? i've a question... :) [01:11] just a quicky [01:11] well, for anyone really... i'm trying to install gdm and firefox via apt-get to my chroot, and i'm getting couldnt find package [01:12] tried moving sources.list over from the normal /etc/apt/ then running apt-get update, it hits everything but i still get couldnt find package... any ideas? [01:21] yaay [01:21] nevermind, was missing something stupid [01:22] chroot $ROOT being the main stupid thing === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === froud [n=sean@dsl-242-133-48.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [01:54] anyone know how to set the screen res on certain clients? [01:56] i have a kiosk situation set-up and the firefox --fullscreen is only taking up a portion of the screen [02:07] nevermind.. got it i think heh... what a bit of research does for you eh? === cliebow [n=cliebow@smoothwallkludge.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.102.134] has joined #edubuntu [02:47] highvoltage, ping === paolob [n=anyelo@pri-214-b7.codetel.net.do] has joined #edubuntu [02:52] Hi ogra, I'm seen that in the last weeks the file /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf has changed, now it has a "if substring( option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9 ) condition. What is it? thank you === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu [02:59] juliux: pong [03:00] paolob: I haven't seen it myself, but I would guess it's so that the server can figure out whether the client is booting from PXE or Etherboot firmware [03:05] highvoltage, did you think you can add a link to the edubuntu weekend in feb in germany in the topic? [03:11] ef [03:11] juliux: of course [03:11] juliux: can you please mail me the details? [03:11] juliux: jonathan@ubuntu.com [03:11] highvoltage, yes [03:11] juliux: sounds like fun! [03:12] juliux: what is edubuntu weekend about? I guess I can just hold on a bit for that mail :) [03:12] highvoltage, we will have a network with around 25-30 clients and several servers, one part is to test different server and document the reatkion from the user [03:13] highvoltage, another part is only so see where a beginer has problems to setup a sever [03:14] and we will use it as a get together;) === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #edubuntu [03:22] Morning all!!! [03:22] ping ogra [03:22] morning sbalneav!! [03:22] hi cbx33 too! [03:22] hey highvoltage sbalneav [03:22] Morning highvoltage cbx33 === RichEd-1 [n=richard@dsl-241-52-251.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd-1 is now known as RichEd [03:31] highvoltage, should i write you an e-mail? === Rondom [n=Rondom@p57A96E34.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu [03:38] juliux: that would be good [03:38] highvoltage, ok [03:39] highvoltage, i will also write an announcend on -devel and -user in the next days === pirast [n=martin@p508B1E94.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #edubuntu [03:44] juliux: great, then we can link to that too [03:45] Heya [03:46] heya bddebian [03:46] Hi highvoltage [03:46] bddebian: do you still think you are a God? If so, can you please make my i915 graphics problems dissapear? :) [03:46] Uhm I have never thought I was a God. A Dog maybe but far from a God :-) [03:47] ah I see, the wiki page changed! [03:50] Did it? [03:58] yep === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === willvdl [n=will@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #edubuntu === SimonAnibal [n=chatzill@66.244.123.100] has joined #edubuntu === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@unafilliated/kgoetz] has joined #edubuntu [05:35] hey you guys! [05:35] [05:39] Chunk voice? [05:39] Campbells chunky voice soup? [05:42] I believe it's a Goonies reference === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [05:44] ping ogra get my mail? === jbrefort [n=jean@mar44-2-82-227-215-241.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === froud [n=sean@dsl-242-133-48.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom is now known as a === a is now known as Rondom [06:38] win 19 [06:39] hi highvoltage [06:39] win 19? [06:40] hi cbx33 [06:40] I escaped my / accidentally [06:40] meant to type /win 19 in irssi :) [06:41] ahh [06:41] what does taht do in irssi? [06:41] changes to channel #19 [06:42] irssi has a 'window' for each channel, so you change to window 19 to see, #launchpad, for example [06:47] anyone answer this question for me? [06:47] I have a php page with some html ssi includes [06:47] it doesn't work... [06:47] can it be made to? [06:49] I presume it's because it's getting parsed by php first === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@unafilliated/kgoetz] has joined #edubuntu [06:50] cbx33: how does ssi work again? doesn't it execute local scripts in your pages? if so, you could use exec in php, right? [06:50] yeh [06:50] i could === bdoin [n=coudoin@home.gcompris.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:20] Nepali fights OLPC from the inside, http://www.olpcnews.com/ GCompris taken as hostage === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [07:30] hmm....since updating today X seems to be crashing a lot === sc0tt_ [n=sc0tt@cpc1-stok5-0-0-cust513.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #edubuntu === sc0tt_ is now known as sc0tt === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === adamix [n=paolo@151.76.241.152] has left #edubuntu [] === freet15 [n=freet15@61.149.3.59] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu [08:47] ======edubuntu meeting 13 mins======== [08:53] my responses might be a bit slow.. eatin an ice cream tht's melting faster than I can eat [08:54] :) It should be warmer than here in that case :) [08:54] No risk that would happen here :) [08:57] ===============edubuntu meeting 3 minutes away...get your beer ready========== === pips1 [n=philipp@88.185.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #edubuntu [08:59] hi everybody [08:59] hi pips1 :) [08:59] hi pips1 [09:00] hey, i didn't see you there, highvoltage :-) [09:00] understandable, I was just out to clean all the chocolate [09:00] huh? [09:00] ===========edubuntu meeting NOW=========== [09:01] clean all the chocolate? [09:01] pips1: I just ate an ice cream that melted quicker than I could eat it, ended up being quite messy [09:01] :) [09:01] ahhh summer [09:09] hi highvoltage [09:10] sorry for going out of sequence on my post in #ubuntu-meeting [09:10] I haven't had much time to work on docs the past few weeks with a super busy school schedule [09:10] heheh np nixternal [09:10] I promise to put in some doc work this weekend [09:10] hi froud [09:10] no problem nixternal ... we've all been busy kicking off 2007 [09:10] I am doing Kubuntu docs as well, and I am the only one doing that, so bear with me the next few weeks, I will promise I will try to not let anyone down :) [09:11] highvoltage: the meet here or at #ubuntu-meeting [09:11] RichEd: if you have any ideas/plans you want implemented with the Handbook, just highlight me, or email me (nixternal@ubuntu.com) and I will address them as soon as I can [09:11] froud: #ubuntu-meeting [09:12] I need to head off, so I will chat with you all in a bit, during my dinner break tonight [09:12] thanks ... will do === UbaGeek [i=d92236fd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-b9b985e3daad1c41] has joined #edubuntu [09:28] hey UbaGeek [09:28] we can talk here [09:28] the meeting is in session so here is preferred [09:29] hey dude [09:29] howz it going? [09:29] I'm normally in here pretty much always [09:29] guys meet UbaGeek, he's a Youth LUG founding member [09:29] and helps me out a lot === noblgh [n=noblgh@unibz.it] has joined #edubuntu [09:29] and....yup youg uessed it...he runs linux exclusivly [09:29] hehe [09:30] UbaGeek, what you need to do now is register your nickname [09:30] how [09:30] UbaGeek, type this [09:31] /msg nickserv help register [09:33] hi UbaGeek ... greetz from Cape Town, South Africa [09:34] RichEd, did you get my pm? [09:34] hey dude [09:34] checking now ... too many /msg windows [09:34] haha [09:34] UbaGeek, did you get it registered? [09:35] i hope so [09:35] at least i think [09:35] ok [09:35] so now when ever you sign onto irc === willvdl [n=will@196.207.41.253] has joined #edubuntu [09:35] do /msg nickserv identify [09:35] remeber to do the / [09:35] ok [09:35] else your password will be put up on screen for everyone to see [09:36] right [09:36] /msg nickserv identify edubuntufan911 [09:36] :p [09:37] hehehe [09:37] nooooo === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === n2diy [n=darryl@ppp-42d4288f.wlks.losch.net] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === pitux_ [n=pitux@36-92-20-190.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === LNS [n=test@c-67-180-219-137.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:21] hey guys! [10:21] hey LNS [10:21] Can anyone tell me real quick if I should update the LTSP environment if I'm using 6.06LTS and I haven't moved to 6.10, but there were 239 updates installed on the server? [10:22] All I can find is that you should update LTSP env. if you move from version to version. [10:22] afaik there's no major benefit in upgrading the chroot at the moment. probably some fixes in LDM, but I suggest you hang around, ogra ould tell you for sure [10:23] awesome...thanks highvoltage =) [10:23] LNS: :) [10:23] 'hoping these updates will give me printing to our HPLJ 1000 via usb...having issues at the moment so i thought i'd apt-getallthedamnupdates =) [10:24] heh [10:27] Anyone try Edubuntu on one of those brand new HP proliant servers? The thing is crazy...redundant power supplies, the whole deal..wish i had the model handy [10:27] dual xeon 3.2ghz [10:27] 8gb ram [10:28] ahh..it's an HP ML370G5 === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu [11:03] willvdl, do you want to discuss about yelp tomorrow? [11:04] (I'll be here for a little while still, depends if you still have some steam) [11:04] willvdl: so... what time suits you tomorrow? for me, afternoon is better [11:04] rodarvus, that would be cool. I'm not that familiar with yelp [11:04] but the moodle stuff doesn't worry me at all [11:05] *nods* [11:05] ogra: any news from Jordan on edubuntu-menus-completion ? [11:05] rodarvus, have meeting at 12 UTC so afternoon [11:05] pips1, nope [11:06] rodarvus, thanks, would appreciate it [11:06] pips1, but i'd rather see him focusing on main inclusion for the second CD [11:07] in the spec Jordan writes that he is being held up by a gnome bug... the conversation in the bug tracker is kind of slow... http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=374577 [11:07] 12UTC is bad for me (I'll have car insurance schedule by then) - would you mind doing one hour earlier? (or one hour later) === jgedeon [n=joe@oh-67-77-123-4.sta.embarqhsd.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:08] pips1, sounds rather like "rejected" [11:08] ogra: yeah [11:08] rodarvus, I'm tied at 12 UTC so either way [11:09] lets do 13UTC, then [11:09] cool. should be done by then [11:09] ogra: has Jordan been around lately? you in touch? [11:10] we talked very shortly recently ... i otiifed him about the secod CD [11:10] *second [11:10] ic [11:10] *no ti fi ed [11:10] tsk [11:10] hehe [11:10] it was readable :) [11:10] rodarvus, can moodel be used as decentish email server? [11:10] i otiifed [11:10] willvdl, no [11:10] hmm? [11:10] no :) [11:11] ogra :) === willvdl remebers previous discussion [11:11] moodle is just a CMS [11:11] but it can make use of a decent email server runing on the same machine [11:11] i think there is a webmail and an imap module [11:11] it needs the whole backend to work: database, web server, email server, etc [11:11] sorry, mean groupware rather (which is a leading definition) [11:11] you can easily run it without email setup [11:11] ahn [11:12] willvdl: what sort of groupware are you needing though? [11:12] willvdl, I'm not sure it has a decent groupware plugin [11:12] email, calendar, etc? [11:12] I'd say "not", but moodle has surprised me in many (positive) ways until now [11:12] but can handle calenders, addressbook etc.? [11:12] ajmitch, something that looks like hula but wors [11:12] *works [11:12] haha [11:12] the default modules are overall good quality [11:12] hihi [11:12] 3rd party, not so good, most of the times === ajmitch is biased towards phpgroupware [11:13] ajmitch, short story is I'm fishing for a good exchange replacement to suggest for backend solutions [11:13] rodarvus, well, third party is often written by teachers with a "php in 30 days" handy ... [11:13] ogra, indeed [11:13] willvdl: there isn't one [11:13] willvdl, I don't think moodle would be your best choice on this field [11:13] agreed [11:14] moodle really shines in easing the creation of new courses (and the whole environment around it) [11:14] I must make the time to install and run moodle... [11:14] willvdl, lotus :P [11:14] hula would be grand - if it was ready [11:14] willvdl: as I said, I'm biased towards phpgroupware, but I know the upstream developers & have done some work on it :) [11:14] moodle is completely focussed around the concept of a *course* [11:14] hula looks good but that is all [11:15] hula is a gag ... [11:15] willvdl, hula is far from being complete - or even useable [11:15] ajmitch, would help if we had something to suggest that wasn't only universe supported :) [11:15] willvdl, we dont [11:15] willvdl: pfft [11:15] hula lacks client support [11:15] there simply is nothing we support in that area [11:15] willvdl: it's packaged by a core dev, is that good enough? ;) [11:16] I mean, it's fine to run an email server in a corporate/org backend [11:16] i always thought it shuld be an edub untu duty to bring it to main and care for it though ... [11:16] but i cant do everything :) [11:16] ogra: well if you want me to push it to main, I can try :) [11:16] ajmitch, what exactly ? [11:16] ogra, not specific to edubuntu [11:16] phpgroupware, in this case [11:16] i wont care for phpgroupware [11:16] I would [11:17] moodle in main is scary enough for three releases [11:17] ajmitch, how does it scale? [11:17] or four [11:17] quite well, I know people using it with several thousand users [11:17] not sure how many concurrent logins [11:17] :-O [11:17] willvdl, specific to edubuntu i think we need to integrate something like a groupware server at some point [11:17] ogra: I own the package in debian, I know it well enough [11:18] ogra: why? [11:18] does it work properly with postgres ? [11:18] I do need to rip out wwwconfig-common & a few things, it's been on my todo list for awhile [11:18] yes, postgres, mysql, oracle, even mssql [11:18] pips1, a user request i often get [11:18] ogra, I suspect the same rquirements for education in groupware are the same for ubuntu users [11:18] educators ask for groupware ? [11:18] right [11:19] pips1, yep [11:19] or school admin staff ask for groupware ? [11:19] ajmitch, oracle huh? which versions? === ajmitch can't recall what versions it's been tested with, sorry [11:19] pips1, education departments do [11:19] right [11:19] ajmitch, I can push that one hopefully [11:20] willvdl, all datatbases through odbc i guess ... even oracle :) [11:20] (if you dont find a native plugin unixodbc is your friend) === willvdl has had good experience with odbc [11:21] well, schooltool wants to fill the gap... it's just been a vexed project, though :-( [11:22] pips1, consider a government wanting a national rollout, with school admin, staff emails, calenders etc [11:22] schooltool will bridge that SIF question in time and that will be great [11:23] I know about SIF, but what do you mean with 'SIF question' [11:23] I honestly believe that a groupware solution without client support is a serious downer [11:23] ? [11:23] with client support you mean evolution? [11:23] gotta leave, see you guys tomorrow! [11:23] bye rodarvus :) [11:23] pips1, meaning making full use of it etc. [11:24] rodarvus, ciao [11:24] cu rodarvus [11:24] *waves* [11:25] willvdl: do you mean a desktop client (i.e. ms outlook, i.e. evolution) to access your emails/calendars/todo items/... ? [11:25] pips1, yes [11:25] client integration more like it [11:25] willvdl, odbc is a scary insecure thing, but has the advantage that it wrks nearly everywhere ... [11:26] ogra, providing nobody tries to do something innovative with SQL [11:26] heh [11:26] pips1, the thing being, if you don't have network, you can still see your calender [11:27] well, I don't think having a desktop client is important (i.e. I can imagine a usable AJAX style browser interface), but I think *desktop integration* is important (i.e. drag-and-drop of files, notifications, etc) [11:27] The web may be moving to google and ajax and whatever, but most of us don't have the web in a reliable fashion [11:28] right [11:28] i see your point [11:28] take for example a corporate LAN that goes down for an hour. you need to see you email/calender [11:28] hmm right [11:28] Internet is a first world luxury :) [11:29] well, as you said, *reliable* internet connectivity is... [11:29] even LAN, if I take your word [11:29] :) [11:29] :) [11:30] it happens [11:30] pips1, take a look at https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/Wiki/SiteMap if you get a chance [11:30] it links to a page structure I was working on [11:30] look and feel not perfect at all [11:30] *click* [11:30] but it is an attempt to move the bits and pieces together [11:31] i.e. from www, old wiki pages etc. [11:31] trying to consolidate. eventually I would like the Launchpad stuff to go to LP help pages or reference then when they get written [11:32] hmm === pips1 mulls over will's structure [11:33] completely open to change/suggestion [11:34] e.g. https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/Community would need to look and read better === npnutn [n=justin@qwest-tck-ip212.scinternet.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:34] Greetings, all. [11:34] generally it helps to name content for browsing in the way "the user thinks", i.e. in terms of the user's *goals* and subsequently, in terms of actions/tasks one has to do to achieve your goal ? [11:35] I like "GetInvolved" [11:35] uhuh [11:35] I don't like "Photos" [11:36] I had to think hard about wikinames :) [11:36] and hope that a good Community start page would help === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu [11:37] "GetInvolved" needs more info and links [11:37] oops, these pages all exist already [11:37] 8-O [11:38] I'd like to avoid too many links to the same page, just in case the link moves or changes info [11:40] I see ogra in the room. Perhaps other will know as well. What is the status of sound for LTSP thin clients on Edgy? Any luck with Flash yet? [11:41] should work fine [11:41] at least it did when i tested it last ... [11:41] Hmmm. [11:41] My results have been.... mixed. [11:42] folks, off to bed. ciao === willvdl [n=will@196.207.41.253] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] [11:43] npnutn, well, at least i can promise that all sound related issues are solved in feisty [11:43] npnutn: supporting flash-sound for a local workstation and supporting it for thin clients shouldn't be any different? [11:43] we switched to pulseaudio with alsa emulation ... [11:43] which is classes better than any former remote sound implementation [11:44] (including full volume control, recording etc) [11:44] Very nice. I've heard good things about pulse. I haven't tried Feisty yet... [11:45] ... I haven't heard much about stability with it. (?) Recording, you say? [11:48] i havent got the magic running to set the local mixer for the right input device on the client [11:48] but if you tweak it manually, you can actually record from an attached mic [11:49] ofr feisty volume control and stability were my main focused parts [11:49] if we dont have magically sound recording ready before feisty+1 i wont cry about it [11:50] the base is there ... and it improved a lot beyond esd [11:50] Nice. Should be good for folks wanting VoIP and such. [11:51] yep [11:51] ogra: did I see you on the list of devs for a "fat-client" package? [11:51] puse just emulates an alsa card ... so everythng just picks it up... [11:51] yes [11:51] but i cant promise yet that fat clients will happen this release [11:52] they depend on network authenticatio which i'm just implementing [11:52] so only if i make it with this feature in time i can move on to the next [11:52] :) Just the fact that it is in the works is cool. What auth. method? PAM/LDAP? [11:53] yep [11:53] probably CIFS [11:53] bt pam ldap for sure [11:53]