[12:22] This one thread on the users mailing list is getting a bit out of hand. [12:23] Not even I flame that much. [12:23] manchicken: the kde 3.5.6 for dapper one? [12:23] yeah [12:24] heh [12:24] freeflying is building it, an;yway [12:24] Let's just get out the ruler and figure out whose really is longer so that we can shut up about it and go on with life. [12:25] hehe [12:25] Though I suspect we're all going to come out a little annoyed, and the participants may come away feeling inadequate and ashamed of their participation.. === Hobbsee unsubscribed long ago === ash211_ [n=andrew@user-1121dff.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:29] There's an idea. === ScottK is seriously considering it. [12:32] ubuntu-users too. I certainly don't need people cursing at me because they don't like the tone I used when I answered someone's question. [12:33] Hmm... apt-index-watch has been eating a lot of cycles today. [12:36] heh === Hobbsee was never on ubuntu-users === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:11] kcontrol: WARNING: No K menu group with X-KDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/ [01:11] Riddell: that's the output I get [01:11] Riddell: I think I know the cause of this, I'll fix once herd3 is released [01:12] no time tomorrow for this (I am searching for a new appartement) === manchicken [n=manchick@c-76-16-240-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:33] manchicken: feisty doesn't have apt-index-watcher any more [01:33] Riddell: ooh === manchicken is still on Edgy [01:35] ah well, bad luck :) [01:36] I thought you said I shouldn't use Feisty so that I had a stable system ;) [01:36] kwwii: top post in planet complains about the pink kubuntu default theme, no idea where he gets that from [01:44] Riddell: I'm going to be giving a new patched version of the indicator tooltip. [01:45] mornfall gave me some feedback that was pretty good. [01:46] Riddell: for kde-hal-device-manager ... d'you know the guy's IRC nick? === jjesse [n=jjesse@ip-69-33-206-3.iad.megapath.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@ip-69-33-206-3.iad.megapath.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:50] Heya [02:51] Man, tracing memory leaks that crash can be rough... [03:09] I really need to install qt and libc with debug symbols. [03:45] ok I am really tired of the dapper/no kde 3.5.6 thread in kubuntu-users ml, it is bleeding over to KFN [03:45] I may explode [03:45] which is hard to do considering my sheer mass :) [03:48] are people just complaining about not having packages, or what? [03:50] and then some :) [03:51] just getting tiring as I made the mistake of following the whole email thread [03:57] Goodness, how long is the apt-index-watch process going to run. [03:58] Yeah, it looks like a pissing contest with the disguise of software discussion. [03:58] ya [03:59] but it seems to have wound down [04:01] Okay, so what's the purpose of apt-index-watch? [04:01] The service just won't stop. [04:01] dunno [04:01] It is impossible to hack with that process killing my machine. [04:03] http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/admin/apt-index-watcher [04:03] :) [04:04] Riddell said something that led me to believe I should move to feisty, but he advised me before to stick with edgy so I can continue hacking with minimal interruption. [04:04] I'm so conflicted ;) [04:04] seems to be a common issue on my google search [04:04] Hey, maybe I should talk to those guys on kubuntu-users ;) [04:05] sure they are real experts [04:05] just like me :) [04:05] heh [04:05] Just like my cat === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:10] Screw it. Just stopping the service helps. [04:14] manchicken: or you could move to dual core :P [04:15] Find me a laptop under $2K(USD) with dual core and a non-proprietary hardware setup. === vinboy [n=vinboy@125-238-83-102.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:15] They're all either running TCPA, non-free graphics, or non-free wifi. [04:22] Is apt-index-watch actually necessary? [04:25] manchicken: TCPA? as in TPM? [04:25] Yup. [04:25] manchicken: since it's removed in feisty, probably not so much :P but i don't know what it does [04:25] treacherous computing. [04:26] yeah i kind of went with what i wanted rather than going for all Free for my laptop :-[ [04:27] What I want is what will work. [04:27] and i assumed either all or none have tpm (don't know what the latest thing with that is), so it's not like i have a choice [04:27] The non-free stuff doesn't work. [04:28] Well, I figure since Intel is the grand-daddy of these chips, if I buy only AMD procs (which I do anyway) I'll be free from TPM. [04:29] Problem is, laptops with AMDs usually have non-free graphics cards. [04:29] well as in i looked for a laptop with nvidia because it will work best. It's non-free, but it'll play games and run beryl. And i went with intel for battery life so i guess wrong choice freedomwise there too, and wireless intel is nonfree too :( [04:29] Yeah. [04:30] I'm going to probably buy a custom built lappy next. One built for free software. [04:30] you know of a place that makes such a thing? [04:32] Was looking earlier... let me check history... [04:34] radeon xpress is not supported by the radeon driver? [04:34] http://www.linuxcertified.com/linux-laptop-lc2100.html [04:34] No. [04:34] Don't bother with radeon xpress cards. [04:35] Their proprietary linux modules are slow as all hell. [04:35] Might as well not have any accel at all. === yuriy never tried open ati drivers === MrWGW [n=nondiscl@cpe-75-85-97-183.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:36] good evening [04:36] I use the free software ATI drivers. [04:36] evening [04:37] No accel, but pretty well performing and stable. [04:41] If you have to get proprietary graphics, I would think nvidia would be the better one to snag since nvidia non-free drivers suck less, and it seems like there's a rather high-priority free software project for nvidia cards. [04:46] now if only that money was actually of any use to them.. [04:46] speaking of which, i've heard nothing from it since the pledge was completed === hunger_t [n=tobias@p54A71BA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === MrWGW [n=nondiscl@cpe-75-85-97-183.socal.res.rr.com] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [05:01] Yeah. [05:01] I know. [05:01] I think the money may be for a legal warchest. [05:02] Many countries still enforce unjust patent laws that allow people to sue others just for writing their own software. [05:02] ah, rampant speculation [05:02] what a wonderful thing [05:05] ajmitch: Which part are you talking about? [05:05] nouveau :) [05:05] Oh. [05:05] You don't think it'll make it? [05:05] oh I do [05:05] they're really quite active [05:06] I think it's only a matter of time. [05:06] a matter of developer time [05:06] Yeah. [05:07] We need laws requiring manufacturers to release specs. [05:07] hmm i wonder when's a good time to test the dist-upgrade process [05:07] mm, more regulation [05:07] fun [05:07] ajmitch: It'd be nice to have a law to protect freedom for a change. [05:07] ;) === ajmitch is off home now anyway [05:08] bye [05:10] Later. [05:39] manchicken: that's the GPL and senselessly using up GB's of my space :D [05:39] I'm all 100% pro-GPL and all, but sometimes I find it silly.... [05:39] What now? [05:40] like if I'm distributing a backport that's just dch -i'ed and otherwise unchanged from ubuntu sources, that i'd have to locally host the entire source package too [05:40] Yeah, but that's just what it takes to keep the freedom. [05:41] You don't have to have it available for download. [05:41] You only have to be able to provide verbatim source code upon request for up to 36 months. [05:41] manchicken: heh well I was threatened for not having it in a APT source repo..... [05:41] For only the cost of media. [05:41] By who? [05:41] Not the FSF. [05:41] I don't have the e-mails anymore [05:41] but not FSF [05:41] various anti-Backports people [05:41] Then who cares? [05:42] finding a way to shut it down [05:42] back in the good ol Warty days [05:42] well, IANAL but I get easily scared when I get legal threats :) [05:42] Tough titty for them. GPL requires you to only provide verbatim source upon request for up to 36 months. [05:42] that's how I understood it too [05:42] If you wanted to back it up to CDROM and take it off your repo there's nothing that says you can't. [05:43] that's what I did [05:43] I had sources stored locally [05:43] It's definitely NICER to have it in a repo... but it's not required. [05:43] and if not, then debdiffs to launchpad diffgz's === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:43] manchicken: I did offer full dsc source packages for when I modified a package beyond its changelog [05:43] You do have to make sure it's verbatim source. [05:43] Even if you didn't modify it. [05:44] well, it's trivial to assemble into verbatim source upon request [05:44] Yeah. [05:44] but I thought something wasn't right :) [05:44] I also don't think anybody's going to get pissy with you if you're making a real good-faith effort to preserve the freedom. [05:44] believe me when I say the last thing I'd ever do is restrict the freedom and spirit of the GPL [05:45] FSF cares about freedom. Plain and simple. [05:45] hey all [05:45] If you get any more of that, let me know. I'm sure Peter Brown would like to know that these threats are taking place. [05:45] yeah, I'll be sure to. [05:45] nowadays I'm much more informed about all of this [05:45] backports was the first major contribution I tried to make to an open source project other than immense support in the form of forum participation [05:46] I was quite inexperienced at the time [05:46] Yeah, if you distribute software you really need to understand your obligations and rights. Many people just distribute without thinking about it and that's when problems occur. [05:46] The nice thing is that FSF doesn't sue for money. They sue for compliance. === jdong has a manufacturer he is trying to get to release GPL'd source [05:47] Olevia, the HDTV manufacturer [05:47] I recently looked at one of the firmware updates.... [05:48] before just blindly loading it on [05:48] kinda of intrigued me when file informed me it was a ext2 loopback image [05:48] mounted it and saw rootfs.img, vmlinuz, and initrd.gz [05:48] HMM :) [05:48] Ooh. That's interesting. [05:48] Demand source for sure. [05:48] so far unpacking the rootfs shows MIPS32 kernel 2.4 [05:48] and it's without a doubt Linux with GNU userland [05:49] so I've already contacted tech support requesting source code [05:49] it's been a week or two, but I'll give them a bit more response time [05:49] then I might look into how other more aggressive methods work. [05:49] Contact FSF's compliance lab. [05:51] I will. [05:51] yay for Linux infiltrating the HDTV market [05:51] but I'd love a look at the source [05:51] (oh yeah. the TV is entirely powered off random ATI chipsets and GPUs too) [05:52] there are all kinds of ATI strings greppable in vmlinuz and they look nothing like firegl public interfaces [05:52] so.... yay for more source to get released :) [05:52] Yeah. [05:52] Maybe find some ATI projects and provide them with that data. [05:53] yeah [05:53] and I want the source code to do some tweaking too... [05:53] I was quite unhappy with some aspects of UI responsiveness :) [05:53] but hey, $399 for a 32" 1080i LCD HDTV... I can't complain [05:54] 1366x768... heck makes a great monitor :) [05:54] heh [06:23] brb [06:23] okay :) === Huahua [n=hua@122.0.230.7] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:50] Good morning. [06:51] morning Tm_T [06:51] ready for your talk? [06:53] Not ready but going now. -> [06:54] heh :) [06:58] moin [06:58] Riddell: dude, the theme is not pink, no matter what anyone says [06:59] hey Tm_T Jucato and kwwii [06:59] kwwii: which theme? [06:59] hi Hobbsee!!! [06:59] kwwii: hehe Planet KDE eh? [07:04] Hobbsee: http://ciesbreijs.blogspot.com/2007/01/opensuse-102-to-kubuntu-610.html === Hobbsee looks === Jucato wished someone could reply to that blog that removing "quiet" in menu.lst makes the pretty text appear in the bootsplash again... === ScottK came to Kubuntu from opensuse. [07:10] ScottK: nice :) [07:10] Hobbsee: saw what kwwii was referring to (pink theme)? [07:10] I tried 10.1 and it became quite clear that opensuse is at best a beta for SLES. [07:11] Never again will I use a distro where the product I use isn't viewed as the organization's end product. === Jucato always thought opensuse, like fedora (core?), were the "community" (a.k.a. testing ground) versions of their company's end product... [07:13] Jucato: yep [07:13] Sort of thought that too, until Novell's zen updater was thrown into 10.1 AFTER the last release candidate with no alternate available. === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-057-234.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:15] I had a very nice shiny opensuse 10.1 system that only had one problem - I couldn't install or update anything. [07:15] I fled. [07:16] Hobbsee: the default theme [07:16] Jucato: yeah [07:17] kwwii: you have any idea when usplash will be as easy to customize/theme as splashy? or something? [07:17] oh well, another kde fan to hunt down and kill slowly [07:17] Jucato: probably never === Jucato weeps [07:18] Jucato: as it is, you make pics and then write some c code [07:18] why o why... :( [07:18] well, the pics are relatively easy... === kwwii shakes his head, "doesn't that sound easy?" [07:18] lol === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === chavo [n=chavo@69-167-76-73.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee wonders if she can just reject all bugs that include automatix, saying that something's broken [07:26] don't they have an automatix team/account/project in LP? just assign it to them [07:27] It would be nice to have one place to point people who say, "but it never caused a problem for me" and say look here.... [07:27] !worksforme [07:27] Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. [07:28] Jucato: heh. seems that a whole lot of other people got the bug (gpg encrypting broke) [07:29] on one of our official repos? === Jucato suddenly remembers GPG and thanks $DEITY he didn't reformat his /home [07:35] Jucato: dunno [07:35] Jucato: some will likely be === manchicken [n=manchick@c-76-16-240-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@210.5.115.128] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken [n=manchick@c-76-16-240-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee requests a sync of mailody === vinboy [n=vinboy@125-236-159-83.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@210.5.115.128] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso_ [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === steven07 [n=linkgoro@190.128.176.159] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:22] can someone here plz help? [08:22] !ask [08:22] Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :) [08:22] alright...im having trouble getting my wireless to work on my compaq v2000 === Hobbsee --> out [08:23] sounds like a #kubuntu type questoin [08:23] no one here can help me with my wireless?? [08:23] isnt this a developers channel? [08:23] i thought you guys looked at this stuff all day...or is that the #kubuntu chanel? [08:24] #kubuntu is for user support [08:24] ohh... [08:24] gotcha [08:24] alright thanks=) === steven07 [n=linkgoro@190.128.176.159] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [08:24] this channel is for developers to discuss about Kubuntu development and techy/geeky stuff [08:24] darn === firephoto_ [n=tom@pool-71-115-214-25.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === vinboy_ [n=vinboy@125-236-159-83.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _chavo [n=chavo@69-167-76-73.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh === jpetso_ [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure_ [n=lure@BSN-77-135-17.dsl.siol.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === guglielf [n=guglielf@unaffiliated/guglielf] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel === luka74 [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken [n=manchick@c-76-16-240-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:41] cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/share/services/kopete_sms.desktop': No such file or directory [09:41] dammit [09:41] Riddell: ping? === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === vinboy__ [n=vinboy@125-238-83-211.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:42] Well, I had to set up fglrx to use the projector output on my lappy... [09:43] But it won't play with composite window managers. [09:43] I hope there's a new version of the ATI stuff for feisty if it's gonna be shipped, heh === luka74 is now known as Lure [09:57] yeah the whole accelerated-x thing kinda goes down the drain with fglrx not supporting aiglx anyway [09:58] yuriy: thanks for replying to my bug report === meduxa [n=agustin@84.Red-217-127-164.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:59] yuriy: Nice bug find. Did you post a bug? [10:00] Jucato: you are welcome. (umm who are you? i always find it a bit hard to connect real names with irc) [10:00] yuriy: there's one problem about the kicker bug I mentioned. it's intermittent, happens often to quite a number of people, but can't be consistently and systematically reproduced === manchicken is Mike Stemle [10:00] manchicken: well i knew that one :P [10:00] yuriy: Juan Carlos Torres (systemsettings bug filed yesterday) [10:00] heh [10:01] manchicken: no i didn't file a bug, but i did file a bug detailing my thoughts about adept's details if you're interested bug 83428 [10:01] bug 82428 that is [10:01] Malone bug 82428 in adept "adept details view usability" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82428 [10:01] yuriy: I talked to el about those 2 bugs I mentioned to Sime. I was under the impression that she agreed and would probably put it back in kss. so I never followed it up [10:02] Jucato: oh ok, cool [10:02] yuriy: Could you do me a big favor and post a bug? [10:02] manchicken: sure [10:02] Much thanks [10:02] Feel free to assign it to me ^_^ [10:03] yuriy: anyway, I found some forum posts and 2 bug reports on LP that matches the kicker bug. I'm just waiting for aseigo to wake up so I could ask him about it before I file upstream === vinboy_ [n=vinboy@125-238-83-211.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:12] manchicken: bug 83431 [10:12] Much thanks. === Jucato kicks Ubugtu [10:12] bug 83431 [10:12] heh the bug is too new, probably [10:15] sorry bug 82431 [10:15] Malone bug 82431 in adept "supported column disappears when package expanded" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82431 [10:15] second time i made that typo in a row [10:15] I'm verifying that now. [10:16] we're just human... at least some of us are :) === Jucato doesn't consider people wielding long pointy sticks of doom as human... [10:17] Okay... yuriy, so you're just clicking a package title, showing it, then clicking it again and it's gone? [10:17] Ah, got ya. [10:17] manchicken: just clicking a package title, like in the screenshot. [10:17] You're saying that in the expansion the column is missing. [10:17] yeah [10:17] Okay. That is kinda important. [10:17] heh === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm15.omega18.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:18] sorry if i made it sound more severe [10:18] Jucato: i'm still human, believe me [10:18] It's not a show stopper, but I would consider that one medium to high. [10:18] Hobbsee: after seeing you... I do. believe me, I do :) [10:18] haha === Hobbsee is a green alien [10:19] Hobbsee: you don't know how long I've wondered what you looked like. now I can die in peace === yuriy thinks if that one's high, then bug 37696 and bug 39756 must be through the roof [10:19] lol [10:19] Malone bug 37696 in ept "adept does not show wanted user input" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37696 === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:19] Malone bug 39756 in adept "Adept has trouble handling interactive installation scripts" [Medium,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39756 === Hobbsee looks at the uncooked ingredients beside her, and thinks on cooking them [10:19] Jucato: heh, really? [10:19] Hobbsee: which part? wondering for a long time or the die in peace part? [10:19] Hobbsee: any eye of newt in there? [10:20] bat's wings [10:20] Jucato: the former [10:20] yuriy: no...no...that wasnt in the recipe === Hobbsee is not a good cook, fyi === Hobbsee has learned though - dont put metal in microwaves! :P [10:21] Hobbsee: heh yeah === yuriy hasn't learned to stay near the stove while stuff is cooking [10:22] heh [10:22] oh dear... [10:23] Hmm.... it won't let me change the importance of the bug. [10:26] manchicken: you're probably not in -qa [10:26] manchicken: you have to be on ubuntu-qa [10:26] hmm.. !qa [10:27] !qa [10:27] Sorry, I don't know anything about qa - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [10:27] heh :) [10:28] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuQA [10:28] hehe manual search :) [10:28] manchicken: meanwhile, what did you want to set it to? [10:28] Middle [10:29] Jucato: more like not closing webpages after i view them. counting both computers, i'm now on my 7th opera window [10:29] !qa is To change the importance of a bug, you need to be part of the Ubuntu QA team. see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuQA [10:29] I'll remember that, Hobbsee [10:29] O.O [10:29] !qa [10:29] qa is To change the importance of a bug, you need to be part of the Ubuntu QA team. see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuQA [10:29] !qa is To change the importance of a bug, you need to be part of the Ubuntu QA team. see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuQA [10:29] qa is already known [10:29] !no qa is To change the importance of a bug, you need to be part of the Ubuntu QA team. see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuQA [10:29] I'll remember that, Hobbsee [10:29] !qa [10:29] To change the importance of a bug, you need to be part of the Ubuntu QA team. see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuQA [10:29] lol [10:29] damned bot [10:29] that's some fast typing :P [10:32] gnight all [10:33] Hobbsee: do you know if there's a wiki/guide on how to setup a system/installation for developing in *buntu? like the guides in KDE: http://developernew.kde.org/Getting_Started === Jucato is interested on how devs do it (specially if they only have one PC.. *sob*) === Jucato right now only has a system setup for KDE development... compiled all of KDE from SVN... [10:36] brb [10:40] Jucato: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment [10:40] Lure: thanks === pinheiro [n=pinheiro@bl4-217-172.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pinheiro [n=pinheiro@bl4-217-172.dsl.telepac.pt] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === guglielf_ [n=guglielf@unaffiliated/guglielf] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:30] Jucato: pbuilder [11:34] Hobbsee: so that's the only/recommeded way? I mean, for example, in setting up a KDE development environment, you can use SVN to get source code and compile, so you can easily apply/make patches and revert to a previous (stable?) state [11:35] Jucato: you can grab sources, and debdiff against the different diff.gz's to get the changes. [11:35] oh ok :) [11:39] Jucato: obviously, a .diff.gz is just a compressed diff, which you can then use patch to apply [11:40] Hobbsee: ok. thanks for the pointers. I'm going to read the link Lure gave. I'm under the impression that I'd have still have to build the package to test changes? or am I wrong? (no idea really, only have little experience with KDE) [11:41] Jucato: yeah, you do. you still do in kde, too [11:42] btw, in bzr, you can branch off easier, i hear [11:42] Hobbsee: well, they don't "package". just patch -p0 < patch_file then make && make install the relevant app/module [11:42] heh bzr... need to learn that too... [11:42] Jucato: exactly. [11:43] so use patch, then debuild [11:43] wonder how Mez handles it... both bzr and svn... must make him crazy at times :) [11:43] bzr-svn [11:43] :P [11:43] you only need to use a pbuilder if you're actually packaging the thing, and releasing and whatever, ie needing a clean system [11:44] yeah... [11:45] I should have looked at the release schedule... I was planning on packaging kuickshow as my first packaging attempt/project... but again I failed to anticipate freezes... like I did in KDE... [11:46] !info kuickshow [11:46] Package kuickshow does not exist in any distro I know [11:46] !info kuickshow feisty [11:46] Package kuickshow does not exist in feisty [11:46] :) [11:46] Jucato: main freeze is later [11:47] Hobbsee: it was removed since Dapper, because of a dependency on imlib. Riddell said he'd be willing to put it back if someone is willing to package/maintain it === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@pD950B698.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:48] Jucato: ahhh === Jucato is also considering packaging kalternatives, for a graphical way to set Java and Firefox as defaults... but might be too much for just 2 use cases === Jucato prepares his 3 liner intro for the meeting... === Hobbsee hasnt heard of kalternatives [11:51] yeah, it's relatively unknown [11:52] it's just that we currently don't have an easy way (although using update-alternatives is very easy) to set the default Java version or use Firefox as the default browser for all (KDE, GNOME, GTK, etc) apps [11:52] indeed [11:53] and the setting in kcontrol only works for some people, adn tends to confuse [11:53] yeah... kcontrol only affects KDE apps... so it's quite confusing if they start using non-KDE apps and it would still launch Konqueror [11:53] Jucato: *neat* :) [11:53] yeah [11:55] kalternatives is a kcontrol module. it's in trunk/kdeonbeta/kdedebian... heh but I'm getting far too ahead of myself... I can't even package yet lol [11:56] good place to start :) [11:56] yeah, gonna start with simple stuff and requested stuff... [11:56] kuickshow's on top of my list but I prefer gwenview anytime heh :) [11:57] (but kuickshow really is quick) [11:57] ahhh :) [11:57] talked too much... getting back to reading [11:57] heh === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === screemo [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-52148.0x535a54ca.naenxx10.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-52148.0x535a54ca.naenxx10.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-52148.0x535a54ca.naenxx10.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-52148.0x535a54ca.naenxx10.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === froud [n=sean@dsl-242-133-48.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:52] Riddell: have you source tarball of kde-356 [01:57] freeflying: sure, they're all in the archive on kubuntu.org [01:58] it's too slow to access kubuntu,org [01:59] try one of the ftp.kde.org mirrors then [02:00] our internet is damn now, for the broken of undersea cable [02:03] freeflying: yeah... it's taking a while to fix... :( [02:03] Jucato: :) one month passed [02:04] yeah... === Hobbsee looks for something to bash in frustration === Jucato runs and hides [02:13] Hobbsee: what's up? [02:16] Riddell: my uni. their crappy software that's crashed for msot of the day. it's now fixed, but isnt holding it's settings, and is showing me things in hte most illogical way possible. [02:16] and theyv'e axed one of my pracs in my timetable, yet left it on in another. === n8k99_ [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee writes them a support ticket, effectively saying "please fix it" === Hobbsee writes another one, markign it as "very dissatisfied" [02:31] Lure: with knetworkmanager in and on by default is kubuntu-feisty-networking implemented? [02:32] Riddell: I planned to look into NetworkStatus module over weekend - I was waiting for 3.5.6 release to easy merge from SuSE [02:32] Lure: what does that do? [02:32] Riddell: this is to make kopete/kmail network offline aware with networkmanager [02:32] mm, nice [02:32] Riddell: and I am working on keys for laptop in ksmserver (suspend/hibernate) which is to close FeistyLaptop [02:32] not sure what Tonio_ plans are with ksynaptics [02:33] probably something to discuss on meeting today [02:35] it can't go in [02:36] for the rebuild test, are we rebuilding everything in the archive, or testing what builds and what doesnt? [02:36] ie, do the new binaries get put into the system? [02:36] they don't get put in [02:37] right [02:37] someone needs to fix https://launchpad.net/bugs/82455 then [02:37] Malone bug 82455 in synce-kde "synce broken after kde 3.5.6 upgrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] === Hobbsee --> bed [02:37] @schedule sydney [02:37] night Hobbsee! [02:37] night! [02:37] see you later/tomorrow [02:37] Jucato: fix that, if you want :P [02:37] yep [02:37] hah! :) [02:46] Sime: kmail *sucks* with IMAP - dont even bother using it. there's a major crasher in there. === Huahua_ [n=hua@122.0.230.7] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === Zerlinna [n=Zerlinna@C6d8d.c.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Riddell blocks the thread on kubuntu-users === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@cm15.omega18.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:34] yay === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:45] Heya [03:45] hi bddebian [03:45]