=== xivulon [n=ago@87-194-85-156.bethere.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-installer [] === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C1A48C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-installer === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-installer [11:27] hi cjwatson === blackskad [n=blackska@vpnb141.ugent.be] has joined #ubuntu-installer === cr3 [n=cr3@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-installer === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-installer === blackskad [n=blackska@latex.ugent.be] has joined #ubuntu-installer [03:14] cjwatson: you make me sad :P [03:14] *goes back to reading bug* [03:15] cjwatson: why isolinux is not synced on debian for gutsy ? [03:16] cjwatson: I think that one's going to be an forwarded to upstream [03:19] JD: good luck ... [03:19] :) [03:20] saispo: because getting gfxboot working again after merging 3.36 took me several days of staring very hard at x86 assembly code. I have precisely no desire to do that again before gutsy [03:20] ok [03:20] because i have no gfxboot with gutsy isolinux [03:21] but work with feisty isolinux... [03:21] works for us. make sure you have upgraded your gfxboot and gfxboot-theme-ubuntu as well. [03:21] they need to be in sync as several formats changed incompatibly [03:21] i have the latest gfxboot for feisty yes [03:21] GUTSY [03:21] not feisty [03:21] yes [03:21] excuse me [03:22] I think you must have made a mistake somewhere around there then ... [03:22] or else it's a bug in the new code [03:22] the cd is generated well, but when i boot on [03:22] i just have [03:22] boot: [03:22] and i must press enter and the installation begin, but no gfx, and no menu [03:23] it is entirely possible for the CD to be generated properly with out-of-sync versions of syslinux, gfxboot, and gfxboot-theme-ubuntu; the fact that it was generated properly proves nothing, I'm afraid [03:23] we had that problem for quite some time in gutsy [03:23] if that is not your problem, I do not know what it is [03:24] will try... work well for me with dapper, edgy, feisty but not gutsy [03:24] cjwatson: ok, i will say you the result of my test [03:42] cjwatson: i add gfxboot, syslinux, gfxboot-theme-ubuntu on my custom seeds and it work... [03:43] but why germinate don't grab it or something else, don't know [03:44] glad it worked. we don't seed it ourselves [03:44] (except for sticking gfxboot and gfxboot-theme-ubuntu in supported) [03:46] in my STRUCTURE file i have not supported in the list of my seeds [03:46] maybe this [03:46] ? [03:46] thanks for your advice, i will inspect this... === avoine [n=avoine@69.70.0.36] has joined #ubuntu-installer === xivulon [n=c2325681@astra.techwareit.com] has joined #ubuntu-installer === avoine [n=avoine@69.70.0.36] has left #ubuntu-installer [] [04:26] evand, I noticed that casper/scripts/casper-bottom/24preseed interprets paths passed via preseed/file as relative to /root (i.e. squashfs), is that the intended behaviour? === avoine [n=avoine@69.70.0.36] has joined #ubuntu-installer [04:29] hmm, sort of [04:30] actually, yes, it is. is there a problem with that? [04:30] /root seemed like an implementation detail that shouldn't be exposed [04:35] cjwatson, not a problem, I was expecting the preseed paths to be absolute (so that you can pass a preseed in the initrd or /cdrom), i'll have to rectify my code for that, no big deal [04:35] /cdrom should be bind-mounted as /root/cdrom by that point [04:36] in fact move-mounted [04:36] cf. casper/scripts/casper-bottom/05mountpoints [04:37] hence /cdrom/* paths would still work... got it [04:38] I think initrd preseeding is better done by hardwiring code to load /preseed.cfg if it exists, like d-i does [04:38] no need to make that configurable with preseed/file [04:40] I'll do that now. Won't help with locale or keyboard configuration at present though (nor will preseed/file) - those still need to be passed on the command line [04:40] how does load/preseed.cfg work exactly? where do I find the relevant code? [04:41] preseed/debian-installer-startup.d/S35initrd-preseed [04:41] what my find_preseed script does at the moment, it finds a preseed file on HD (scanning all block devs) and copies it on another location (specified in preseed/file) [04:41] but there's not much to say; if /preseed.cfg exists in the initrd, it loads it [04:42] sure, I was asking about initrd preseed to evand [04:42] he mentioned that it was not implemented in ubiquity and suggested to use preseed/file [04:42] right, I understand your problem that it needs to go on a disk [04:43] let me get some coffee and think about it [04:43] originally find_preseed would copy the preseed file onto / (or should it be /root???) [04:43] / is fine [04:44] well, if it lands in /preseed.cfg and is done before 24preseed [04:44] yep that's handled by 07find_preseed http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ago/lupin/gutsy/annotate/ago%40nb-ago-20070828232545-yq4hwd9yh08j60vw?file_id=07find_preseed-20070822005932-q4z4avo19xlog9up-6 [04:45] You'd need to edit line 24 and remove lines 30-35 [04:45] ok, if that just copies it to /preseed.cfg in the initrd, all's good [04:45] I'll upload casper now to make that work [04:46] CR/LF is accepted fine, as I said [04:46] great [04:46] I just changed partman-auto-loop to bail out if any of the specified image paths already existe [04:46] -e [04:46] should help with one of your other comment blocks [04:46] yes [04:47] the check can also be performed within check_loopinstall_folder always in 07find_preseed #76 [04:48] up to you, just seemed neat to put it with the partman stuff [04:48] the advantage of having it in partman is that it will be checked even when you do not use HD preseeding [04:49] probably no harm in it being in both places if you like [04:50] whatever you prefer, we can maybe factor out the checks used by partman so that I use the same routine [04:51] I doubt that's feasible unfortunately [04:51] n.p. [04:51] the hard bit is picking apart the preseeding to find the image paths, and then the rest is debconf error handling which you probably can't use [04:52] lupin-helpers can be merged with casper-helpers [04:52] http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ago/lupin/gutsy/annotate/ago%40nb-ago-20070828232545-yq4hwd9yh08j60vw?file_id=lupinhelpers-20070822005932-q4z4avo19xlog9up-5 [04:54] Last bit required for stand-alone installer is find_iso http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ago/lupin/gutsy/annotate/ago%40nb-ago-20070828232545-yq4hwd9yh08j60vw?file_id=20find_iso-20070822005932-q4z4avo19xlog9up-7 [04:54] (coffee has got more urgent. excuse me) [04:56] when you are back: re image-paths in preseed, I actually do the reverse in find_preseed>fix_preseeed: [04:57] since in my case preseed is generated from within windows, and linux devices are unknown, I have a file pattern within the preseed file which is used to discover the actual linux device [04:57] The preseed is then passed through sed to set the appropriate device [04:58] All this to say that image-paths are known in my case, since part of the preseed file must be generated/edited within find_preseed === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-installer [05:03] I think it makes most sense for lupin-helpers to remain separate, since it's really just there for the lupin scripts [05:04] could we move lupin under ~ubuntu-installer so that we can commit to it directly? I can add you to the ubuntu-installer team (you applied a while back) [05:05] Sure, I'd be glad, but I can only commit when I am at home === cr3 [n=cr3@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-installer [05:05] xivulon: are you set up to be able to do mail filtering? the ubuntu-installer team gets all ubiquity bugs, so the volume can be quite high there, and I don't like to add people without checking that they're prepared for that [05:05] at home> understood [05:06] just that it would let me release packages for you :-) [05:06] of course [05:06] ;P [05:06] (we want this in main, so ...) [05:06] re filtering, I use gmail, which should be fine [05:07] ok, approved then [05:07] thanks [05:07] I suggest you filter anything with X-Launchpad-Bug: [05:07] shall I push ~ago/lupin/gutsy to ~ubuntu-installer/lupin/gutsy then? [05:08] Sounds good to me [05:08] you can then just do 'bzr bind bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/lupin/gutsy' to switch over to that [05:08] line 24 and remove lines 30-35 [05:08] mkay [05:09] As mentioned to do initrd preseed, you need to remove line 24 and remove lines 30-35 in find_preseed [05:09] sorry I mean you need to EDIT line 24 and remove lines 30-35 [05:09] right, I'll prod that and turn it into a package [05:09] I assume you're OK for this to be packaged as 'lupin' in Ubuntu? [05:10] just like to confirm these things :) [05:10] line 24 and remove lines 30-35 [05:10] I understand, you can stop saying that now ;-) [05:10] stat rosa pristina nomine, nomina nuda tenemus [05:11] anyone else on the lupin team is welcome to membership of ubuntu-installer if they jump on here and confirm mail filtering [05:12] heh, my Latin isn't what it used to be, I had to look that up [05:12] I think geza kovacs would be glad to take part, but I do not think he is reading this at this point, it would be better to send him an email (I can do that) [05:12] well put [05:15] 30-35> did you mean 33-38? I don't see why you'd want to remove file= support but not preseed/file= [05:16] yep [05:17] mkdir -p "${PRESEED}" [05:17] "${PRESEED%/*}" I suspect that should be [05:18] I forwarded your offer to the other wubi devs: geza, ecology (NSIS interface), hampusW (downloader). I asked them to send you an email directly if interested, hope you do not mind [05:19] no problem [05:19] I'm conscious I'm late and am keen to get this in place for gutsy [05:20] I think the backend is almost there, we should start also thinking about the windows GUI... [05:20] indeed [05:23] Is there anything particularly wrong with the current one, or did we decide to ask the questions in ubiquity and I just forgot? [05:24] it needs to land on the CDs ... [05:24] we didn't decide to ask the questions in ubiquity AFAIK [05:24] xivulon: suitable Maintainer address for lupin? [05:25] ahh, indeed [05:28] cjwatson I can maintain lupin code, there is not much left anyway [05:28] sure, I just need an address to put in the control file [05:29] agostino.russo@gmail.com? [05:29] evand,cjwatson, re interface, you can see the current one in: http://wubi-installer.org/screenshots.php [05:29] cjwatson yes, that's the email [05:29] as you see there are 6 questions. [05:30] username/password: do we keep it in the windows frontend or move it to ubiquity? [05:30] windows [05:31] should the windows frontend grab that list of reserved users out of the iso then? [05:31] desktop environment: my understanding is that the field will be hidden when we launch from CD [05:31] the duplication will be a pain but it's not worth the UI awfulness to avoid it [05:31] evand: we might have to figure out some build magic === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C1A48C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-installer [05:31] ok [05:31] like build-depending on user-setup and grabbing the file from there or something [05:31] but no rush [05:32] xivulon: licence for lupin? [05:32] Anything you wish to change in current interface other than branding? [05:32] gplv2 [05:32] honestly right now I just want it in place [05:32] thanks [05:32] do you prefer gplv3? [05:33] I don't care [05:33] v2 or later maybe? [05:33] but obviously up to you [05:33] ok [05:34] xivulon: confirm http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/37/ ? [05:35] Sounds good to me [05:37] cjwatson, one think I thought should mention is that find_iso will mount the device hosting the iso file (/isodevice), not sure if that affects other casper scrpits that scan devices [05:38] something might want to move-mount that into /root, not sure [05:38] maybe not [05:38] probably won't be a problem, but if it is it should be easy to solve [05:40] I use the LIVEMEDIA trick to have the ISO mounted on /cdrom thus using existing casper code [05:41] I've committed initial packaging [05:41] Thanks [05:41] wouldn't it be better to just mount it on /cdrom directly [05:41] ? [05:41] LIVEMEDIA is a bit of a fuckup perpetuated by Debian [05:41] in fact you have to use /cdrom otherwise ubiquity will get confused [05:42] You mentioned that, [05:42] But the advantage of using LIVEMEDIA is that I do not have to override casper/scripts/casper [05:42] oh, wait a sec, LIVEMEDIA isn't what I thought it was [05:42] I just set LIVEMEDIA=/path/to/HD/ISO/file [05:43] so the /isodevice mount is purely internal to lupin? [05:43] Then there is some code in casper that checks that before looking for CD-roms [05:43] yeah [05:43] I was thinking of the /live_media mount that existed in casper at one point until we ripped it out again [05:43] LIVEMEDIA looks fine [05:44] good [05:44] I haven't packaged the xinit-ubiquity stuff - I have an untested diff sitting in my ubiquity tree that merges that into ubiquity [05:44] I haven't tested xinit-ubiquity yet [05:44] (which I'd never have got round to if you hadn't done the first version, so much appreciated) [05:44] Also we now need initrd preseeding in ubiqity! [05:44] err. why? [05:45] ubiquity doesn't do any preseeding [05:45] I mean in the livecd initrd [05:45] casper [05:45] it just processes stuff set by casper [05:45] oh, I already uploaded casper 1.98 to do that [05:45] casper/casper-bottome/24preseed -> check for /preseed.cfg [05:45] update :-) [05:46] you are quick [05:46] it'll take a short while to build and stuff, but it's in the queue [05:48] did you work on sysctl by any chance? [05:50] Also on disabling suspend/hibernation, last time you mentioned acpi-support, but the issue is that we need to remove the suspend/hibernate buttons from gnome/kde dialogs and to my knwledge (admittedly very limited) that is not achieved via acpi-support but via policy commands [05:53] sysctl> not yet :-( [05:53] I may try tonight [05:53] we could just nobble powermanagement-interface [05:53] that would be OK [05:54] and probably a hell of a lot easier [05:58] looking at it [06:02] I notice that /usr/sbin/pmi > query (capabilities) will return the value of /etc/default/acpi-support:ACPI_SUSPEND/ACPI_HIBERNATE [06:03] In my naive world, gnome and kde should query pmi for capabilities before displaying suspend/hibernate buttons, hence by editing /etc/default/acpi-support you should be able to hide the buttons [06:04] Last time I tried it though, it did not quite work like that... [06:10] they certainly used to query it [06:10] I was thinking of editing the pmi script [06:10] should be trivial [06:15] Do you mean pmi query and pmi capability? As mentioned, last time I tried, whatever value is returned there, the gnome suspend/hibernate buttons are still displayed [06:16] But maybe I did something wrong. === cjwatson tries to remember what implements those buttons [06:16] gnome-session? [06:18] cjwatson, don't take my word for it, have a go (should be sufficient to edit /etc/default/acpi-support). [06:18] tricky on powerpc ;-) but yes [06:18] I'm reading the source instead === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-installer [06:20] The only way I found to disable those buttons was via gnome policies, via gconftool-2 --set --type bool /apps/gnome-power-manager/can_hibernate false [06:21] I'll give it another go to the pmi approach tonight, as mentioned I'd expect gnome to check pmi capabilities at startup. === evand wonders whatever happened to ubiquity-more-user-config [06:23] evand: not required for gutsy [06:23] s/whatever/what/ [06:24] (it's, uh, a top-down thing ...) [06:24] did he ever get back to you on what he wanted, or is it still a matter of other pieces coming together first? [06:27] I think I understand what's wanted, but word is it is not urgent and there are more important things to do [06:27] (AIUI the plan is jabber) [06:27] ah, indeed [06:27] cjwatson, looking at this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/47303 [06:27] oh, I thought it was jabber + openid [06:28] seems like can_suspend is set in postinst and not at gnome startup [06:29] is that relevant though? I thought this stuff was implemented by gnome-session and gdm [06:34] oh, I'm wrong, gnome-session queries gpm [06:34] you are in a twisty maze of packages, all subtly different [06:34] and I didn't dip into kde yet... === cjwatson asks Riddell [06:49] evand, can we have an m-a "light-settings" option in m-a as discussed some time ago'? [06:49] light-settings=all settings that do not involve large files. E.g. contacts yes, emails no, desktop background yes, myimages no... [06:51] hrmm, sure [06:52] AIM Triton, Internet Explorer, Yahoo, MSN, Opera, Firefox, Wallpaper, User Picture, Outlook Express, Gaim [06:52] ...for instance [06:52] indeed, nothing that requires copying large amounts of data around [06:53] yeah, that is a good default for wubi. I do not see why people should avoid their bookmarks and contacts, but I can understand why they may want to skip their emails or music collection [06:53] in the meantime you can always preseed those options. m-a wont fail if it can't find something. [06:53] err, it wont cause the d-i component to fail, that is [06:53] I am alreading doing that [06:54] The ones I preseed are the ones you see above [06:54] ah, indeed [07:21] xivulon: ok, I've fixed hal to honour pmi; will upload that shortly [07:28] that's great [07:28] cjwatson, evand, if you did not notice the grub4dos devs have made the required changes, so relative paths in menu.lst are now supported [07:28] I got your mail about that [07:29] All is required on your side is to set menu.lst to: #groot(hdX,Y)/host/ubuntu/ [07:30] "grep -q ' /host fuse' /proc/mounts" is a sufficient test to stick in pmi, right? [07:30] if that matches, then disallow suspend and hibernate === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-installer [07:31] hibernate I would suspend if swap is on a file (if I understood that correctly), suspend if / is mounted via fuse [07:33] so if (swap is on file); then (do not hibernate)? [07:33] So is my understanding [07:34] E.g. I might loopmount on top of ext3. In this case suspend should work (no fuse) but hibernation will not. [07:34] A more relevant case might be vfat, but I did not specifically test hibernation/suspend in there [07:36] Probably better: if fuse is used when mounting / OR swap is on file do not hibernate [07:37] if fuse is used when mounting / do not suspend [07:37] swapon -s | tail -n +2 | awk '$2 == "file" { exit 1 }' [07:37] ^-- test for swap on file [07:42] done, powermanagement-interface 0.3.16 [07:45] #groot(hdX,Y)/host/ubuntu/ [07:45] yeah, I have to go out now though [07:45] that's your lot for today :-) [07:46] typo #groot(hdX,Y)/host/ubuntu should read #groot(hdX,Y)/ubuntu/ [07:46] ok [07:47] #groot(hdX,Y)/host/ubuntu/ [07:47] I have this web chat client that submits messages when I type ctrl+v, apologies [07:47] I did wonder :) [07:49] Anyway wanted to say that the path might be /ubuntu/disks or whatever is the folder that contains "boot" as seen from the windows side [07:51] so whatever is bindmounted to /boot stripped out of "/host" and "/boot": /host/ubuntu/disks/boot -> groot(hdX,Y)/ubuntu/disks === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-installer [08:34] evand, I was reading about bulletproof-x [08:35] I noticed that not there is a feature whereby you can scan the CD for *inf files [08:35] To get monitor refresh rates and such [08:36] Thirst thing I though is why not scanning the HD as well? [08:37] That would be a nice m-a add-on that may potentially address several X configuration issues [08:41] hrmm, 'tis an interesting idea, but I think the xorg maintainers would treat the inability to grab the right refresh rate as a bug. [08:42] I was reading http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2007/08/29/ubuntu-xorg-maintainer-demonstrates-bulletproof-x [08:42] hrmmm === evand reads further [08:42] "Unfortunately, it doesn't work to select just any of the generic monitors, so users may find they need to trial-and-error a solution. Fortunately, there is a cool new featureAdd Model which allows users to add a new monitor by using the Windows driver CD" [08:44] On m-a side I would simply copy all *.inf files in *\windows into a /etc/wininf folder and have suche inf parser look for that folder [08:44] indeed, I'll have to talk to bryce about it and add it to the todo list. Neat! [09:23] evand, were you guys aware that the button for release notes wasn't working? [09:25] we were going to publish, and then picked up on that [09:25] arr lame, no I wasn't. I'll look into that now. [09:55] superm1: it appears to be a gtk bug. Still investigating though. [09:56] evand, okay well i guess that's good and bad news. [09:56] evand, since it probably is affecting a few other pyGTK apps i've written :) [09:56] heh [09:59] yeah, manually constructing a LinkButton in the python console in the LiveCD and on my gutsy system has the same problem of not launching firefox. [10:02] live cd being tribe5 shipped with this issue? [10:02] or it showed up later [10:08] hrm, lets see [10:17] sometime after tribe 3. I'll narrow it down further in a bit. [10:40] seems to be an issue prior to tribe 5 [10:44] is there a gtk bug made for it yet? [10:44] that you found [10:44] haven't looked yet === avoine [n=avoine@69.70.0.36] has left #ubuntu-installer []