[00:14] hi there ~ anyone know how do i setup pawersaving option like turn off monitor , HDD etc? [00:18] hi, i'm getting absolutely no sound from my brand new intel ich10 integrated sound card, i followed all of the steps in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449 with no improvement. lspci sees two sound devices: the one in my motherboard, and another one apparently integrated into my radeon hd3870. [00:18] i think the problem may be that "cat /proc/asound/modules" shows two devices (snd_hda_intel) with the same name, and it's somehow picking the wrong one [00:19] intel hda cards are constantly being problemmatic [00:19] There was a factoid for it but since pulseaudio I'm not sure if it applies, since for alsa [00:19] !intelhda [00:19] For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto [00:20] elliottm: what's your alsa-info.sh url? [00:20] genii: pulseaudio doesn't apply to kubuntu 8.10 [00:21] crimsun: how do I find that? [00:21] elliottm: you would have run that script if you had followed the DebuggingSoundProblems wiki page [00:26] crimsun: sorry, i decided to pass by that section until i decided i couldn't fix it. http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=e3a944eb69cf7dcb64e59292f27b0c7404f47c3d [00:27] elliottm: err, a lot of these mixer controls are muted and/or zeroed... [00:28] ciao a tutti!! [00:28] elliottm: i would have assumed that you would have unmuted [and set to %80] at least 'Front', 'Surround', 'Center', 'Side', 'LFE', and 'PCM'... [00:30] no effect [00:30] elliottm: rerun the script [00:32] hi all, what service should I restart to restart the NetworkManager process ? [00:32] sudo service NetworkManager restart [00:32] presuming you're using at least 8.10 [00:32] I think NetworkManager has a memory leak , after a week it uses 78Mb [00:33] no I'm under 8.04 [00:33] http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=d1d0f2223e125dcf314efb60b3bd93595d892ca8 [00:33] elliottm: um, those elements are still muted. [00:34] i'm looking at kmix right now [00:34] you need to UNmute them (all save 'PCM', which lacks a mute control) [00:34] nothing is muted [00:34] i think you're misreading Kmix [00:34] your alsa-info.sh output clearly indicates that those elements are muted [00:35] crimsun, so, previous 8.10, what service is responsible of starting NetworkManager ? [00:35] oh fuck me [00:35] zig: probably restarting hal should suffice [00:36] my eyes completely passed over the lights above the volume bars :( [00:36] ah ok , thanks [00:36] i just assumed muted==volume all the way down [00:36] elliottm: Please watch the language [00:38] crimsun, ah, it was dbus in fact [00:38] why would that stuff be muted by default? [00:38] zig: err, then you would need to restart hal, too. [00:38] this is a fresh installation, i haven't touched anything [00:39] crimsun, but restarting hal wasn't enough; restarting dbus restarted a lot of other things on the other hannd [00:40] zig: i normally did a dbus force-reload then restarted hal [00:40] zig: that was on GNOME, however [00:40] and did you observe this memory leak too ? [00:43] no, i haven't used hardy on my main desktop for many months [00:45] ok there 's a bug about that already : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/network-manager/+bug/203016 [00:53] can anyone tell me how to fix "no sound" issue after reinstalling kubuntu. I have to "sudo alsamixer" and unmute each time. [00:55] chris_, is your normal user in the audio group ? [00:56] zig: thanks, how can i tell?? [00:56] have a look into the /etc/group file, or go to System Settings -> User Management [00:58] ciao christian [00:58] zig, chris: or just type "groups" in the terminal [01:00] p_quarles: thanks I get: chris adm dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare [01:00] zig: couldnt find user management or a group folder in etc folder [01:02] /etc/group isn't a folder, it's a file; and the group memberships are the default, so shouldn't be the source of the problem [01:02] chris_, now you can type "sudo adduser chris audio" to add yourself to the audio group [01:03] apprently you were not part of it [01:03] zig: thanks [01:03] zig: not supposed to be part of that group [01:03] zig: since it doesn't exist [01:04] ? I do have a audio group [01:04] sorry, I misspoke - it exists, but the user need not be part of it [01:04] audio group should be a default core group [01:04] it's for pulseaudio [01:05] genii: but it's not [01:05] crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 14, 0 2008-12-25 11:23 /dev/mixer [01:05] i believe i somehow played with some options switching to alsa or something before but dont remember how [01:05] when i fixed it before [01:05] if you want to control the mlxer you need to be part of this group [01:06] if you want to output sound directly via alsa or oss, you also need to be part of this group [01:07] zig where can i select which i want for sound output? [01:07] and normally, new created users are part of the audio group, with default kubuntu install [01:08] chris_, it depends of the software you're using, but anyway, try to log restart your computer now , so that the new group configuration is taken in account [01:08] again, audio is not a default group for Kubuntu 8.10 - on my system at least; my user is not a member there of, and I have had no problems with sound [01:08] or just restart X [01:09] zig: ill just restart and report back [01:09] ah well I don't know about 8.10 [01:09] I think people are going on traditional Debian Linux models, which Ubuntu is more and more departing from with each release [01:09] it's not a bad guess, but it's unlikely to resovle the issue chris is facing [01:10] what group does your /dev/mixer belong to then p_quarles ? [01:10] zig: same as what you listed: root:audio [01:10] then, you can't use alsamixer for example [01:10] but I can and do [01:11] then you belong to the audio group [01:11] again, my point is that someone who understands the specifcs of audio in 8.10 would probably be more qualified to help at this point [01:11] zig: no, I do not belong to that group; only pulse does [01:13] hmmm, ah alsa uses /dev/snd in fact [01:14] /dev/mixer must be oss === blandon is now known as Jo-Luis [01:14] hola [01:23] hi [01:25] no dice guys.. i still have to unmute after each login [01:25] chris_, you're under intrepid,, or hardy ? [01:26] chris_: maybe I misunderstood; sound works after you unmute? [01:26] zig: intrepid [01:26] p_quarles: yes just fine but i have to sudo alsamixer and unmute each time [01:27] chris_: sudo alsactl store has always worked for that issue in the past [01:27] try that [01:27] k [01:27] er, run that when you have the settings as you want thme [01:28] brb [01:31] I just installed 8.10, and my interent doesn't work. I've got a wired ethernet card, that gets DHCP'd from my DSL router. [01:32] I can connect to my router's setup page, but can't ping anything [01:32] mahasamoot: "card" as in USB or PCMCIA? or is it an internal card? [01:33] I tried commenting out the 'auto eth0' line in /etc/network/interfaces, but it didn't work [01:34] mahasamoot: you don't want to do that; what's the answer to my question? [01:34] it's on my motherboard [01:36] It's always worked in Linux before, but this was a fresh install [01:36] mahasamoot: make sure that line isn't commented out, first; then, boot up and run "ping -c 5 www.google.com" [01:36] I'm curious to know exactly what happens -- if it doesn't work, *how* does it not work? [01:39] what's the consensus for "best" open VM? [01:40] I'm looking for something easy to work with [01:40] performance/features secondary [01:40] not looking for any esoteric features, just basic snapshot support and good client OS support [01:40] legodude: not really on-topic in the Kubuntu support channel; try an off-topic/chitchat channel maybe? [01:41] p_quarles: settings stuck this time!! Thanks guys! [01:41] chris_: cool [01:42] p_quarles: I already tried pinging google, and I think it was an unknown host... plus I tried pinging the ip of my dns, and noluck [01:42] mahasamoot: okay, what does ifconfig eth0 say? [01:42] sure thing p_quarles [01:43] mahasamoot- what IP address does the adapter have? [01:44] p_quarles, I don't recall, I'll have to reboot and try a few things and write down the errors... anything else to try while I'm at it? [01:44] mahasamoot: sure, try sudo dhclient eth0 and see if that gets you a connection [01:44] mahasamoot: and write down any error output from that as well [01:45] * genii makes more coffee [01:45] p_quarles, okay, thanks for the tips... I'll be back in a awhile === emanuel_ is now known as emanuel [01:47] * cuznt secretly introduces lsd into genii's coffee [01:47] ! [01:47] oh wait [01:49] hi anyone awake? [01:49] cuznt: Tsk tsk [01:49] devilchaos: At least a few [01:49] lol [01:49] coolio [01:49] mind if i ask a few questions please? [01:50] devilchaos: Ask away, etc [01:50] is kubuntu compatible with i686 ? [01:50] Yes [01:50] devilchaos: there are very few operating systems at this point that are not [01:51] im having an i/o error with my install cd amd64 install on i686 amd athlon pc with 4gb ram [01:51] devilchaos: The "i386" versions of operating systems also run on later procesors [01:51] so the i386 version installer should work? [01:52] the amd64 installer definitely *won't* work [01:52] oops sorry didnt read last linw before typing [01:52] devilchaos: Yes. Likely your cpu is not actually a 64bit processor [01:52] why wouldnt it be it should be like ronseal does exactly what it says on the tin he he [01:53] i386 refers to an architecture present in virtually every modern machine -- amd64 is a very recent 64-bit architecture that older computers do not use [01:53] whats the command for info cpu [01:53] devilchaos- exactly what model processor is it? [01:53] amd64 athlon san deago chip [01:54] so whay do you think id get an i/o error from the disc then? [01:55] devilchaos: you are having cdrom install problems? [01:55] I/O error when dealing with a CD would probably be either the motherboard or CD drive [01:55] CDs are terrible, as are cdroms [01:55] can you try booting from flash drive? [01:56] devilchaos: Different things are possible for that. Bad cd burn/iso download, physical cabling to the cd/failing drive, problemmatic controller driver which cd is attached to, etc [01:56] Not sure what kind of error you'd get if you tried running the x64 CD on an x86 machine [01:56] yeah well a did burn it on a crap disc memorex [01:56] The single most suspect is bad cd burn/corrupted iso download [01:56] it should say that you have incorrect disc [01:56] if you try and use x64 in i386 [01:57] Yeah, I'd check the md5sum of the disc image [01:57] well im downloading i386 just now [01:57] er, incorrect version [01:57] Yup, it should just give you a mssage that it's incorrect version for your cpu [01:57] If the md5sum is correct, try burning another copy [01:57] i like kubuntu better than ubuntu its nicer [01:57] San Diego is an x86-64 chip, according to Wikipedia [01:57] or, trash your evil cdrom [01:57] and i like the icon better with the cogs [01:57] and do netboot or flash drive [01:58] net installer yeah? [01:58] p_quarles: Looks like a suspect CD or so [01:58] coolio am a fan of those [01:58] give me url please ? [01:58] google pulls it up pretty quick [01:58] I've not done it, but it looks managable [01:58] whats it under kubuntu netinstall? [01:59] or ubuntu net installs === tyler is now known as Guest56882 === Guest56882 is now known as tyler__ [02:01] There is none. [02:01] is the quote on the forum [02:01] install of ubuntu then kubuntu-desktop [02:01] sudo apt-get kubuntu-desktop [02:02] ? [02:03] this is the paragraph i get under kde4 in crappy gnome add/remove area [02:03] KDE4 cannot be installed on your computer type (i386). Either the application requires special hardware features or the vendor decided to not support your computer type. === Danu is now known as Danu_Flanders [02:04] anyway i386 installer should work ? [02:05] sure [02:05] or x64 [02:05] don't you have 4gb ram? [02:05] yes [02:05] y? [02:06] p_quarles, I think it's a problem with routing [02:06] won't be able to use all of it without 64bit [02:07] well, I am not entirely sure about that, best ask someone with deeper knowledge [02:07] ok np am going to download 64 again and burn both again === andre is now known as Guest77293 [02:07] only then will i find out if i got a bum copy [02:08] thnks for the tips [02:08] why will it not use all the ram? [02:08] if its not 64bit? [02:08] 32bit can only address 4gb ram [02:08] without extra tricks [02:08] like PAE [02:08] 2^32 = 4gb [02:08] ah [02:08] but [02:09] there are address spaces issues [02:09] where you can see less [02:09] p_quarles, dhclient seems to work fine, but I can't ping my dns servers, altho I can ping my isp's gateway [02:09] usually about 3gb, but there are tricks to get more [02:10] hello [02:10] Hi kyle [02:10] mahasamoot: well, some servers are set to ignore pings, so that's not unusual; if you can connect beyond the gateway, you're good to go [02:10] a taingles [02:10] mahasamoot: that's why the real test is always to ping a high-availability public server like Google [02:11] devilchaos: looks like standard 32bit kernel will do 3.2gb, server will do 4gb+? [02:11] falou [02:11] p_quarles, host unknown [02:11] worry bout that later i just want it installed i hate this pardon me for saying it but sh***y looking ubuntu off my pc and a nice kde compiz with wobble windows version and nice icon with the cogs and ill add bill gates can shuv his winblows up his bum! [02:11] mahasamoot: then I would say dhclient didn't work [02:11] !br [02:11] Por favor use #ubuntu-br para ajuda em português. Obrigado. [02:11] #ubuntu-br [02:12] question, uh, the nvidia drivers I have... that come with Kubuntu dont work with my onboard video card. i can use the recommended ones 177, 173, and earlier.. but nothing works. i will install them, they will install, computer restarts, then my screen posts out of sync signal and, thats it... [02:12] is there any fixes for the onboard 6100 video card [02:12] mahasamoot: what was the result of ifconfig eth0? [02:12] p_quarles, it had messages about asking for and getting an IP, which was then bound, no errors [02:12] devilchaos: Please try to keep the channel family-friendly :) [02:12] and the nvidia drivers. [02:12] HOLAAAAAAAAAAAAAA [02:12] I have a question,I'm using Kubuntu Jaunty Jackalope Alpha 2.I've installed the latest updates.My kmenu is showing everything apart from the applications menu.Can anybody help me with this? [02:12] mahasamoot: sure, but what was the address it got? [02:12] sorry dude get a little carried away sometimes [02:12] !es | xtian [02:12] xtian: En la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es. [02:12] hey [02:12] i need some help [02:13] i can speak english [02:13] ... [02:13] what is the kernel server type under? [02:13] p_quarles, I forgot to run it... I'm sorry I should have written it down [02:13] i've just installed kubuntu 8.10 [02:13] and i have no drivers [02:13] don't know where to find them [02:13] mahasamoot: did it start with 169 by any chance, if you remember? [02:13] and i don't know how to install them [02:13] p_quarles, the address was my normal address, 192.168.1.33 [02:13] i'm looking for some help on google but... i'm still lost [02:13] mahasamoot: then it's a problem with the router, really [02:13] xtian: drivers for....? [02:14] i have a compaq V3718la [02:14] guess noone knows what i speaketh of. [02:14] sudo apt-get install hardware-drivers [02:14] with a nforce 630m chipset [02:14] and a 7150m VGA [02:14] !punctuation | xtian [02:14] xtian: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! [02:14] i'm watching everything 800*600 right now [02:14] p_quarles, why is the same router working now? [02:14] ah ok sorry [02:15] xtian: get the nvidia drivers [02:15] xtian- sudo apt-get install hardware-drivers === Danu_Flanders is now known as Danu [02:15] question how do i force kubuntu to give me my 1280x1024 resolution instead of 800x600? [02:15] ok i downloaded some drivers from Nvidia website [02:15] ok legodude here goes prob back later thanks again [02:15] thanks to others too lol [02:16] this one... NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-173.14.12-pkg2.run how do i install them? [02:16] mahasamoot: I don't really know, but it seems to be giving you an IP address correctly, just not letting the traffic through when the machine is in Linux; since Linux is working as expected, the next place to look is the router configuration page [02:16] xtian: my advice is to use the supplied kubuntu package [02:17] what do you mean, the installing CD? or is in kubuntu page [02:17] go to hardware drivers.. [02:17] yeah [02:18] install the latest version for what it reccomends. [02:18] hardware drivers, as devilchaos suggested or from k>system>hardware drivers [02:18] and hopefully they work... unlike mine :/ [02:18] xtian: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia has a howto [02:19] thanx [02:21] ok... i found the driver but when i click to entitle nothing happens [02:22] xtian: are you following what genii is suggesting? [02:22] yes [02:22] and which step gives you trouble? [02:23] when i select the newest driver... and select to entitle... nothing happens [02:23] still says that the driver is nos available [02:24] hit activate.... [02:24] i already did it [02:24] how do I change the default URL handler for konversation? somehow it is using quanta [02:24] nothing is happening [02:24] well im playing with my drivers too, and it should do something... [02:24] xtian: Is your card in this list? http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/169.12/README/appendix-a.html [02:25] i shall return, i have major video card driver issues... [02:25] cant get above 800x600 res... :/ [02:25] legodude, Settings, Configure Konversation, Behavior, General, Use custom web browser [02:25] kyle_: when you get back, I can try and help [02:25] k [02:25] well ive been googling it [02:26] and its a compaq with a onboard 6100 video card. [02:26] totally missed that, thakns vonkleist [02:26] yes [02:26] it's there [02:26] 7150m(nforce 630m [02:26] and it seems the issue is bad [02:26] brb [02:26] legodude, you're welcome [02:26] xtian: oooh I had trouble with my 7150 [02:26] too much trouble? :S [02:27] I believe I had to use the proposed package space to get it to work? [02:28] I don't know if it is related to your trouble at all, but I could not get my 7150 to detect displays until I updated lots of packages [02:28] the driver should install without problem though [02:29] ok, that's bad... because it's my first time with linux === DarkSmoke is now known as DS-Sleepin [02:30] not necessarily bad [02:30] part of learning linux is learning how to ask the right kind of questions [02:30] i don't even know where "system" is ¬¬ [02:32] k menu [02:32] applications>system [02:32] jeje, thank you [02:34] ok [02:34] i return [02:35] jaja [02:35] were you lucky? [02:37] legodude: what kind of packages do i have to install [02:37] Using a Emachines Computer, with onboard 6100 nvidia video card, when I install the recommended drivers from the hardware drivers menu, after I restart, the screen refuses to display out of area its I assume displaying too high of a resolution. So i have to restart again and hit ESC , and hit fix xserver, this fixes the issue, but when I get into the desktop environment I cant change my display resolution above 800x600. [02:40] whenever someone can throw me some help on the issue ill be back and forth to this computer. [02:40] ok... i was abvle to install the wireless driver [02:40] and the VGA driver :O [02:40] kyle_: Sounds like it can't figure out your monitor's resolution can go over 800x600. What kind of monitor is it? [02:45] kyle_: you are trying to use the nvidia applet to change screen res? [02:45] Hello. I got a little question. I had Kubuntu 8.04, but nowadays I keep on proving and installed LXDE desktop and Xubuntu desktop from Ubuntu repos, what Xubuntu I have in this moment? [02:45] is there a program i can download for kubuntu that rips files into a iso file [02:47] legodude: are you still there? [02:47] sure [02:47] szrhawaii: 'dd' [02:47] i was able to install the VGA driver :) [02:47] okay [02:47] congrats [02:47] what is dd [02:48] !dd [02:48] Sorry, I don't know anything about dd [02:48] thanx a lot... but you know, the task bar it's just in half of the windows... [02:48] is that a program [02:48] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dd_(Unix) [02:48] yup [02:48] xtian: ? [02:48] ok gonna check it out [02:48] just in half of the windows? [02:48] szrhawaii: google for dd iso [02:48] ok, i'll check that [02:49] xtian: check what? [02:49] On my taskbar, a few icons (klipper, the sound icon, battery, and updates) all have black behind them, and looks pretty bad, is there any way to get rid of this? [02:49] snaf: I couldn't fix that until I upgraded to kde 4.2 [02:49] legodude, speaking of which.. kde 4.2 kicks so much ass. (H) [02:49] yes [02:50] it is fantastic [02:50] agreed. === Carnage` is now known as Carnage\ [02:50] So 4.2 is usable as of now? ie. I should update? [02:50] it works fine here. [02:50] o_O [02:51] ok i'm lost [02:51] works extremely well for me [02:51] legodude, same here. [02:51] xtian: I'm confused as to what exactly you are having trouble with [02:51] KDE4 looks cool, what do I miss if I use it, though? [02:51] pkodon, wut u mean? [02:51] ok, the taskbar is really tiny [02:51] pkodon: miss vs kde3? [02:51] legodude: Yeah. [02:51] i dunno. [02:51] xtian: in width, or overall dimensions? [02:52] id think if they havent put it in kde 4.2 yet, i dont think it'll get put in any time soon. [02:52] pkodon: it's been a while since I have used kde3 so I can't really answer that [02:52] width [02:52] it just the half of the window [02:52] xtian: hit the peanut on the right hand side then you can expand it [02:52] cashew? [02:53] I think I originally picked kde3 because I read somewhere that there was still some kde3 stuff it didn't include/support. [02:53] thanx... i was able to do it [02:53] i dunno. [02:53] kde 3.5 is old as crap. [02:53] pkodon: nothing has been apparent to me as missing [02:53] id just switch to kde 4 already, its the future anyway. [02:53] legodude: Okay, that's encouraging. Does it need more computer power than kde3? [02:53] there may be missing features, but nothing obvious [02:54] pkodon: again, don't know [02:54] pkodon, technically, no. [02:54] I'm running it on a beefy machine [02:54] pkodon, since it uses qt4 which is faster than qt3 it _SHOULD_ be faster and use less memory. [02:54] i saw some person running kde 4 + desktop effects on an eeepc. so i guess that should say something. [02:54] I would skip 4.1 though [02:54] 4.2 is such and improvement [02:55] an [02:55] i didnt like 4.1 much. =/ [02:55] ive heard kde 4.2 was faster. [02:55] I have an older Compaq, I think it's got a 700MHz AMD in it, and an older nVidia graphics card. [02:55] dont do it. [02:55] nvidia has problems atm with kde 4 [02:55] howso? [02:55] its a nvidia problem, i think nvidia fixed a push with the latest beta drivers. [02:55] I've not really seen any problems with kde on my nvidia [02:56] well, with desktop effects. [02:56] ahhh [02:56] turn on desktop effects adn tell me how fast it is. [02:56] with a 6150 and 6600 gt it runs horrible on both. [02:56] No major problems here [02:56] I think I had them on? with a 7200gs [02:56]