[00:05] why jaunty don't come with openoffice 3? [00:07] Andre_Gondim, it does [02:26] my apport had error and don't send bug to launchpad...., the error is "urlopen error The write operation timed out" [03:46] Hey, I'm not the only one without X, I hope? [03:47] (EE) Failed to load module "type1" (module does not exist, 0) [03:47] Same for "freetype" and "nvidia" [03:52] toresbe: X works fine here. [03:52] change "nvidia" driver with "nv" or "vesa" and retry [03:52] Oh dear. I found the problem. [03:52] Yeah, I did some happy --force-all to install two nvidia modules and it is all good now. [03:54] nvidia-glx-(...) conflicts with xserver-xorg-core... [03:54] and a bunch of other really rather necessary stuff [03:54] as far as i know nvidia restricted drivers are not supported yet [03:55] The new version of the nvidia drivers that actually supports our X server is currently sitting in the NEW queue [04:02] aha... [04:02] ok, switching to nv [04:02] (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (8) [04:02] (EE) PreInit returned NULL for "Microsoft Natural? Ergonomic Keyboard 4000" [04:02] reboot? [04:03] Maybe? [04:08] Hrmh, that worked. [04:08] WHOA. gnome-terminal launch is an order of magnitude faster. Love! [04:08] But my dual-screen is, er, all funny. [04:14] I suppose this will have to do until it comes out of NEW. [04:14] I assume there's no way for me to grab packages from NEW? [04:15] You can just grab them from launchpad; they're in launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+queue [04:15] Oh, found it! Thanks! [04:17] lessee if this works. [04:23] Hrm, this is... less than stable :) [04:23] and image corruption ahoy [04:23] 180.22 really isn't built for this ABI, either :) [04:27] Graphics are frighteningly fast in comparison, though [04:27] The system is drastically snappier. I like this! [04:27] Good night. [04:31] does anyobody use Deluge Torrent client? [07:45] hello [07:45] whats the good word on jaunty [07:47] ? [07:49] most of my professional life is spent waiting for a linux i can replace Windows with, Ubuntu has let me down, i was wondering, how jaunty was coming along === ziroday` is now known as ziroday [08:51] johnwedd: waht are you looking for [08:52] just how its going [08:53] going good, but jaunty is not a revolution in any way [09:11] fosco_ i am curious, how come linux avoids anything similar to microsoft design philosophy [09:11] ? [09:11] don't understand [09:14] well, strickly from a astectic and widget design aspect, ubuntu, opensuse, and fedora tend to lean toward Apple concepts, and avoiding anything remotely microsoft in look and feel [09:14] apple concepts? [09:14] like what? [09:14] no [09:15] linux distributions tend to be linux distributionsany good ideas from any OS are wellcome [09:15] linux distributions tend to be linux distributions. any good ideas from any OS are wellcome [09:16] well apple os x and linux's are obviously going to be more similar because they are from the unix family [09:16] i mean in a design aspect [09:17] how is it similar to apple to apple in design? [09:17] look and feel [09:17] feels like linux, looks like mac [09:18] you never used a mac, hmm ;) [09:18] yes [09:19] don't think so :-/ [09:19] linux looks just as linux [09:20] fosco_: although sometimes gnome or kde sometimes really loves to steal gui concepts from apple ;) [09:20] well, this is common [09:21] the best example is the advanced network gui in gnome. its 1:1 apple. in every button, every tab, everything [09:21] i use openbox as a window manager, don't think win nor mac have something like that :-) [09:22] * RAOF wonders whether TheInfinity is looking at the same network-manager/OS X that he is. [09:22] openbox is very nice [09:22] not network manager [09:22] the thing where you have a gui for nmap and several other things [09:22] dont know the name in gnome [09:23] Oh, the network tools thingy? [09:23] anyone know a good SSH client? [09:23] Melik: ssh? [09:23] ssh [09:23] As installed by default in Ubuntu? [09:23] yea [09:24] Yes. "ssh" is the good SSH client. [09:24] [-1246AaCfgKkMNnqsTtVvXxY] [-b bind_address] [-c cipher_spec] [09:24] [-D [bind_address:]port] [-e escape_char] [-F configfile] [09:24] [-i identity_file] [-L [bind_address:]port:host:hostport] [09:24] [-l login_name] [-m mac_spec] [-O ctl_cmd] [-o option] [-p port] [09:24] [-R [bind_address:]port:host:hostport] [-S ctl_path] [09:24] [-w local_tun[:remote_tun]] [user@]hostname [command] [09:24] so which one do i use to connect :/ [09:24] Melik: man ssh :) [09:24] just a quick question: does the new dailies that suport ext4, need /boot on ext2/3 or it can be on ext4 too ? [09:25] Boot can be ext4; both grub and grub2 support it. [09:25] i guess i see mac as considering customers as stupid, and linux as considering its customers engineers, and windows seams to be the only happy medium. and thats not right [09:25] thanks RAOF [09:29] understand what i'm saying [09:29] johnwedd: yes i understand, but don't think the same [09:31] how much time do you think the average linux user spends just getting his system to work? [09:32] i got my ubuntu system to work in 1 second [09:33] Melik: how many times have you reconfigured and recompiled? [09:33] johnwedd: about 20 minutes, installation time [09:33] i mean fully work [09:33] yeah fully work 1 second [09:34] system is fully functional once installed [09:34] customizing and configuring is a different story [09:34] thats part of makeing a computer system [09:34] work [09:35] not for me [09:35] oooh? [09:35] and you do what for a living? [09:36] i inhale O2 [09:37] :-? [09:37] are you trying to flame johnwedd? [09:37] no [09:37] then i don not understand you [09:38] i trying to point out the end users need to be learn a new system without haveing system shock [09:38] i spend much more time setting up a windows machine than a ubuntu box [09:39] fosco_: always depends on what you need. [09:39] of course :) [09:40] i guess i really hate how linux makes you work your computer [09:40] no it doesnt [09:40] i spent more time [09:40] formatting my windows [09:41] than "configuring" my ubuntu [09:41] ive probably formatted windows like over 200 times [09:41] Melik: if you know what you do you dont have to format windows all the time. [09:42] then why do i still have to dive into bash to get it to do something i want that i can do in windows in three mouse clicks [09:42] johnwedd: depends what you need and which hardware you use :p [09:42] johnwedd: cli can me much faster then gui [09:42] doesn't mean its easier, better, fun or not stressfull [09:43] easier if you learn it one time [09:43] i shouldn't have to [09:43] as i said - depends on your needs [09:43] i'm a mac os-x user, and i can do almost everything with gui. but i have always a terminal open because its just faster and beter. [09:44] i'm a graphic artist [09:44] other mac user dont like cli. [09:44] me too. [09:44] TheInfinity, i pirated software; so i got lots of malware through them and stuff [09:45] Melik: so dont do so :) [09:45] or rather, I'm a graphic artist, and i think FOSS zealots have there head up there ass [09:45] thats why i use linux now TheInfinity :) [09:47] johnwedd: you can use lots of open source software for graphics. [09:48] and ubuntus aim is to provide a cli free os. although its difficult to archive this. [09:48] then why do i still have to dive into bash to get it to do something i want that i can do in windows in three mouse clicks [09:48] (and we are in an alpha channel :p ) [09:48] there were numerous times i had to go to windows registry [09:49] so windows isn't all that "user friendly" either [09:49] TheInfinity: not the point, i love, OS, i hate zealots that have no understanding of the market ecosystem that motivates there innovations, with irrational hate for anything ressembling corporate structure. [09:49] Melik: for user who just want msn and ms office it is ;) [09:49] Melik: yes it is [09:50] hey guys, completely offtopic, but they are good tutorials, so here it is: video tutoriales for the GIMP, excellent ones: http://meetthegimp.org/page/21/ [09:50] it just seems user friendly, because thats what you grew up with [09:50] i still don't have to use a cli [09:50] you've been all around it, you're used to it [09:50] i grew up on prodos and bsd [09:50] i paid my dues [09:50] ah [09:51] i dont know.. but the most confusing thing to me was windows registry [09:51] its settings [09:51] organized [09:51] johnwedd: not really *g* [09:52] kinda sorta is [09:52] i think the registry was the most unorganized thing ever [09:52] + once u remove software.. values get left behind [09:52] whats the equivilent to it in Linux? [09:52] johnwedd: /etc [09:52] or Mac? [09:53] johnwedd: /Libary [09:53] and you still have to do the same stuff [09:54] IMO linux's "config" system is a lot neater and much more organized [09:55] can i use it with a mouse and does it have automated features that make sure i don't screw it up? [09:55] johnwedd: most win apps use it wrong. the concept of registry is not that bad. [09:56] kinda makes you wonder how it entered into the conversation :S [09:56] johnwedd: you also dont use registry with mouse. and you can make MUCH worse things in registry [09:57] much *bad [09:57] same in library [09:58] johnwedd: i dont know any osx app which needs root rights just because its bad coded :p [09:59] i'm surprised it would even let a user to the root [09:59] sudo su [09:59] and you have a root bash :p [10:00] yay! now what? [10:00] you can do anything you want then [10:01] like in ubuntu. or in windows using runas in terminal [10:01] i can change hardware settings! oooh, wait. I can optimize the services for better running or boot time!......ummm no. k [10:02] ooooh, i know, i can shut down the unneeded gui and interface elements to play my games! ooh, yeah... o.O [10:03] johnwedd: at os-x? of course i can modifiy boot settings. [10:03] can you turn off the gui and replace it? [10:04] johnwedd: you can use gnome with xorg if you want [10:04] kde also works afaik [10:05] i don't, i want the same gui, only complete customized, same back end tho [10:06] why? i mean you wanted something completely different :p [10:06] only looks different [10:07] if it acts different, it'll throw me off [10:07] then you should use the os you ever used [10:08] DOS? [10:08] if you want? [10:08] i don't [10:08] then you have to learn ;) [10:08] are we talking about osx or ubuntu? [10:09] i lost track [10:09] Melik: os-x for a few lines ;) [10:09] please keep in mind this channel is for Jaunty discussion only [10:09] anywyas [10:10] i was bored [10:10] ikonia: i just wondered when this messages comes ;) ... sorry lecture in university is atm boring and too easy :p [10:10] does anyone get a ../udev/rules.d error [10:10] at startup? [10:10] no sweat, just a nudge [10:10] Melik: in the current jaunty build ? [10:11] yes ikonia [10:11] Melik: all good here [10:11] Melik: what rule is it complaining about [10:11] the whole rules.d is missing or something [10:11] I've got mine [10:11] i can reboot and write it down [10:11] impatient for the ubuntu that will decend from the heavens, runs all the software i need and want (both open and closed) and cure 6 different types of cancer [10:11] johnwedd: what ? [10:12] unrelated [10:12] johnwedd: check the /topic please [10:13] hold on im going to restart and write down the udev erro [10:13] error* [10:13] Melik: cool [10:14] ikonia: topic noted and we where discussing design philosophies [10:14] johnwedd: which is not for here, thanks [10:14] Melik: hit me [10:15] [udev840] then blah blah blah ... /etc/udev/rules.d file not found or missing [10:16] thing is i do have ../rules.d [10:19] Melik: do you have /etc/udev/rules.d though [10:19] Melik: that should be a dir [10:19] yeah [10:19] its a folder [10:20] directory* w.e [10:20] hold on [10:20] actuall [10:20] actually* im going to call it a night [10:20] its 2 AM :$ [10:20] good night guys [10:21] Note that /etc/udev/rules.d is not the place it used to be. [10:59] at last pulseaudio is working nicely here. Sound artifacts are gone. [11:03] is it true there are 4.2 rc1 packages in jaunty? [11:07] * BUGabundo_work vents: uff what a long backlog! [11:07] x1250: don't you miss the old volume control ? [11:07] I know I do! [11:07] I find myself starting alsamixer[gui] -c 0 [11:08] BUGabundo_work, I use almixer -c 0 too :S [11:08] its the only way I know of setting the controls!! [11:09] it was a shock to me, when I found out it was gone! [11:09] is it going to be implemented in any other way before launch? [11:09] is it true that there are 4.2 rc1 packages in jaunty? [11:09] or is THIS it? [11:09] new user will find them self lost, and old users will bash foruns about it! [11:10] cumulus007: package?? [11:10] I can check from my archive [11:10] or you can see in packages.u.c or LP/u/+source/PACKAGE [11:10] BUGabundo_work: I heard KDE 4.2 RC1 is in Jaunty [11:11] not yet AFAIK [11:11] I think im still in beta 2 or 3 [11:11] okay, pity [11:12] LOLOLOLOL I got to REBOOT blue thingys on my jaunty! come on!! one isn't enough? [11:12] I would file a bug, but I have no idea on the package!! [11:12] ehehe UM maybe? [11:12] BUGabundo_work, I guess this is it :(. I use alsamixer to adjust the LFE, which the great new pulseaudio volume control, can't. Wow. [11:13] I realy like the control over ANY app! much nicer! [11:13] still a bit too hiden, requires many clicks! [11:14] I thought it would get a dropdown under under the clock [11:16] BUGabundo_work, there are a lot of people who don't want to use pulseaudio, is there no other volume control for gnome-panel???? [11:17] seems not [11:40] kde4.1.96 packages seem incomplete and the combination of .85 and .96 seem to no fancy working well [11:45] anyone has any idea what starts cam-server? [11:45] its not on my init.d/rc** [11:57] did something break python today??? [11:57] deluge won't start the GUI === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [12:16] need a tip: what is the proper command to make a full DISK backup? dd to a targz file on a external disk? [14:27] Hrm. [14:28] I've got the newest version of nvidia-glx-180, but it's still "ABI incompatible" [14:28] Am I doing something wrong? [14:29] toresbe: you try to use nvidia css drivers with jaunty's xorg? [14:29] css drivers? [14:29] closed source software [14:29] ahh [14:29] lol [14:29] yeah [14:31] hah, I have three mouse pointers on my desktop now :P [14:32] toresbe: 3? [14:33] yeah [14:40] humm please confirm this to me! I'm using partimage from daily livecd to backup pc, before format to ext4. partimage, I guess uses ncursers, right? it seems to be leaving a trail of chars! I see stuff like 9secccc [14:47] toresbe: jaunty has no nvidia restricted drivers support yet [14:47] it is an X 1.6 issue [14:50] fosco_: Do you have a link to some info on it? [14:50] wiki, or something? [14:53] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/308410 [14:53] Ubuntu bug 308410 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-180 "Latest Xorg removes nvidia driver ... conflicting xserver-xorg-video-4" [Medium,Confirmed] [14:53] fosco_ old bug [14:53] still around until upstream fix it! [14:54] old bug but still there :-/ [14:54] let's see if alpha3 solves it [14:57] you don't hope [14:57] grrr partimage just makes a nasty image of the disc.... how do I mount it now?? [16:49] libnss3 is not being found by any at least two gnome applications (probably all). How can I fix that? [16:50] It is located in /usr/lib and I already tried adding it to the library path. [16:50] /usr/lib should be on the library path anyway, but that's a different discussion. [16:55] fasta, since you moved to jaunty, or just after a dist-upgrade? [16:56] hggdh: after dist-upgrade, but I solved it already locally here by reinstalling the libraries. [16:56] hggdh: another few weird things (like a pcspeaker going off at boot time) also happened. [16:57] hggdh: I don't really want to run this bleeding edge stuff. [16:57] hggdh: I only wanted the recent nvidia driver and I just happened to install jaunty, because I figured it would support the latest hardware. [16:58] fasta, bleeding edge, as the same suggests, usually makes us bleed... [16:59] I suspect either you had an issue on dist-upgrade, or rebooting might solve (if some libraries were replaced) [17:00] hggdh: I still have a problem with Evolution. [17:00] hggdh: It's basically this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/310586 [17:00] Ubuntu bug 310586 in evolution "evolution startup hangs with assertion `E_IS_SEARCHING_TOKENIZER (st)' failed" [Medium,Incomplete] [17:04] fasta, as I stated, after a major dist-upgrade, you may be better off rebooting [17:05] hggdh: that basically does an ldconfig, no? \ [17:05] and replaces any in-use libraries with the newer version [17:06] there may be ABI changes [17:06] Still, I rebooted a few times already. [17:06] fasta, were you the reporter on the bug? [17:06] hggdh: no [17:06] k [17:08] for the bug... evo is at 2.24.2, but gtkhtml is at 2.25.3. I dimly remember some quite heavy changes in gtkhtml [17:14] Hi all, I have a problem but is 'nt simple, so perhaps this is the right place were to ask [17:14] I'm tryng to manage [17:15] events creating a file in /etc/acpi/event [17:15] what happen to ubuntu forums ? been off for hours. [17:15] the file is well formed but acpid doen't manage the action I wrote, only if I restart manually it with " acpid -d" it works [17:16] so why acpi started via init.d script doen't manage the rule, and starting it with acpid -d works ? [17:16] thank you everyone [17:38] When will xserver's 1.6 rc1 hit repros? [17:39] hmm, should ask this at ubuntu x instead === bobbo_ is now known as bobbocanfly === bobbocanfly is now known as bobbo [19:12] "Break your system in bad ways" is accurate o_o; [19:14] Kuaera: but sometimes the breakage has lots of style! :) [19:20] TheInfinity: Indeed! Having my windowmanager [openbox] lock up, consuming 99% of my CPU and refusing to die is awfully stylish :P [19:20] is there an easy way to downgrade xserver-xorg and all of its dependencies to the previous version without specifying version numbers for each package? [19:29] or does anyone know of a way to get the nvidia 180.22 driver working? [19:30] if you find one lemme know... [19:34] no way BotLobsta === dajhorn is now known as PushF12 [19:40] * toresbe wishes there was some web site detailing the reason why nvidia is brrroken [19:40] toresbe: not only nvidia [19:40] amd and intel are the same [19:41] BUGabundo1: I'd assume. [19:41] the log file says its because of the driver ABI versions are different and that if you give the nvidia module the -ignoreABI option it might work [19:41] i just have no idea where to pass it that [19:42] I've passed that. X crashes pretty quickly, as I'd expect, really. [19:43] I just want an nVidia that works with the current ABI! === PushF12 is now known as dajhorn [19:50] hmmm [19:50] has anyone gotten their system back to a usable state after trying 180.22? [20:04] BotLobsta: nope :( [20:05] I can't even get 180.22 due to internet outage, but I have not heard anything good about it yet :( [20:06] legodude__: there isnt anything good about it [20:06] i wouldnt get it whenever you get your internet back [20:07] ugh [20:07] you've tried it? [20:07] I can't even get nv to do anything sane [20:07] yea i tried it this morning [20:07] and it didnt work [20:08] and now im trying to get everything back to 180.11 but its still not working [20:09] ugh [20:09] does it install nicely for jaunty or do you have to fiddle with stuff? [20:10] the nvidia-glx-180 package installs fine [20:10] but you supposedly also need to upgrade to the latest xserver-xorg packages [20:10] alright [20:10] thanks [20:10] I'll poke at it [20:11] good luck with it [20:21] man, i totally killed my system :/ [20:21] says it can't find things like libnss3.so.1d even though they are installed and I ran ldconfig [20:23] libnss3.so.1d, libnssutil3.so.1d, libsmime3.so.1d, libssl3.so.1d, libplds4.so.1d libplc4.so.0d, and libnspr4.so.0d [20:23] all are installed, ldd says they are not found [20:25] * bluesmoke tries to remove ia32-libs [20:25] nope, that didn't help === bluesmoke is now known as Amaranth [20:27] anyone know what could cause this? I'm at a bit of a loss [20:28] i'm guessing a broken binutils [20:28] bad path? [20:29] ldconfig files the libraries just fine [20:29] err, finds [20:29] no other app will [20:30] weird [20:32] $ sudo ldconfig -v | grep libnss3.so.1d [20:32] err [20:32] actually that doesn't show up in ldconfig output :/ [20:39] Amaranth, someone complained of something similar earlier today [20:39] did they have a fix? :) [20:40] they stated they reinstalled the packages [20:40] i can't even get online on my ubuntu machine right now, ndiswrapper and broadcom-wl seem to only respond to networkmanager, messing with iwconfig does nothing [20:40] and that solved it... (and, I think, a reboot) [20:40] libnss3 is not being found by any at least two gnome applications (probably all). How can I fix that? [20:40] It is located in /usr/lib and I already tried adding it to the library path. [20:40] /usr/lib should be on the library path anyway, but that's a different discussion. [20:41] hey that did it [20:41] * Amaranth facepalms [20:41] * hggdh thinks something went bonkers on the update [20:42] thanks [20:43] np [21:44] hi, i just update my ubuntu to 9.04, but it has no sound, somebody else is the same? === albert24 is now known as albert23 [21:58] * TheInfinity gibes the_owl an award for the best error description I ever heard [22:10] TheInfinity: what do you mean? [22:36] Anybody using cryptsetup here? [22:39] blueyed: And needing to manually luksOpen their root at a busybox prompt? [22:40] RAOF: yes, with 2.4.28? - haven't tried manually opening it, still on 2.6.27 because of it. [22:41] It's the fallout from watershed/udev changes; it's not the kernel, it's the initramfs changes. [22:41] RAOF: bug 309205 [22:41] Launchpad bug 309205 in linux "2.6.28: Keyboard not usable during boot (cryptsetup passphrase)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/309205 [22:41] RAOF: I've thought about initramfs, too.. but did not want to rebuild the initramfs for my working 2.6.27 kernel. [22:42] RAOF: can you edit the bug accordingly, please? [22:42] No, that would be a bad plan ;) [22:42] Oh, my. That's not _my_ bug. [22:42] I can boot just fine, I just need to manually open the crypt [22:43] RAOF: ok. But you appear to know the root cause better than me.. [22:43] Your problem isn't the same as mine; I don't think I have any idea of the root cause. [22:43] you don't get the password prompt at all? [22:44]