[00:00] it fills the full width but only top height [00:00] top half of the screen [00:02] yharrow2: do you use xinerama by any chance? [00:02] dtchen, apparently my issue is not over sound wise. When i run pavu control sdl apps run fine, but after i exit pavu control, the 2nd time i run the apps i only hear static [00:02] nemo, it might be enabled. should i double check? [00:03] naw. just a wag. [00:03] yharrow2: check the sink and volume settings again [00:03] there were some folks who were having issues with misreported resolutions in certain applications due to nvidia + dual monitors [00:04] nemo, fixed [00:04] nemo, thanks! [00:04] woah [00:04] a wag was right? [00:04] weeeeeird [00:04] nemo, I just went to dispay settings and clicked apply [00:04] hm [00:04] nemo, I was playing with my card before [00:04] oh well. [00:05] dtchen, ok [00:05] dtchen, its hard to reproduce, sometimes it crackles and sometimes it works fine [00:10] dtchen, well ill leave it until i am able to reproduce the error. thanks again man. you just ended 3 days of hell for me xD [00:10] and thanks to u too nemo [00:16] MTecknology: ? [00:32] How does one change the default keyring for an app in Jaunty? It's not in PW and Encrytion anymore.... [00:33] nm.. I renamed it evidently [00:51] So... I deleted a couple things from my system in an upgrade... how do I get those back? [00:53] lol - I made a list of what I needed to get back but I left it on my home dir - encrypted [00:53] oops! [00:53] I know I need to get back network-manager, network-manager-gnome, and like 3 others :P [00:53] however, you can access that from a livecd [00:53] i can? [00:53] how do I do that? [00:54] I'm on a live cd atm [00:54] http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2009/03/mounting-your-encrypted-home-from.html [00:55] Am I the only one who has X restart when HAL restarts due to upgrades? [00:59] Oh, I do so love how update-manager auto-launches....... and then shows 5-week old updates. [00:59] That was on a drive I hadn't booted in that long. [00:59] Hobbsee: sweet [00:59] MTecknology: indeed! [00:59] You'd think, at the very least, they'd update the friggin' package cache first! [00:59] DanaG: weren't you complaining about that earlier? [01:00] yup. [01:00] oh yeah, and another thing: [01:00] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600 [01:00] Ubuntu bug 314600 in fglrx-installer "fglrx versions newer than 8.543 cause system hang and panic" [Undecided,Fix released] [01:00] Hobbsee: So, I know I need to install these - apt-utils libmbca0 network-manager network-manager-gnome python-apt update-notifier-common [01:00] ok? [01:00] apparently fglrx-installer 8.600 is supposed to fix that...... I'll see about that, by installing another intrepid on in a spare drive. [01:00] Hobbsee: hrm... I can do that from the chroot, can't i :) [01:00] google for fglrx 8.600... [01:00] ... nothing. =þ [01:01] MTecknology: yes [01:01] Hobbsee: heh... do you know how to get networking to my chroot? [01:02] MTecknology: define 'networking'? [01:02] Hobbsee: the ability to make that system download something [01:02] MTecknology: well, yes, but wireless? wired? [01:03] root@ubuntu:/# /etc/init.d/networking start ifup: failed to open statefile /var/run/network/ifstate: No such file or directory [01:03] MTecknology: just run sudo dhclient in the chroot [01:03] thanks :) [01:03] Hobbsee: ... I Love You :D [01:03] and it's not even gay :P [01:04] :P [01:05] hrm - /mnt doesn't want to umount. I got the other parts [01:06] Anyone have any luck with fglrx in Jaunty? [01:06] fglrx is still around? [01:06] MTecknology: It's the only driver available for ATI cards =\ [01:08] 8.600 should be in the archives soon [01:08] I tried installing fglrx, but at reboot it forced me into low-graphics mode =\ [01:08] wait for that version [01:09] how do I see what is keeping a drive mounted? [01:09] crdlb: Okay. [01:09] it should support xserver 1.6 [01:09] it's listed on launchpad, but it doesn't seem to have hit archive.ubuntu.com yet [01:10] it has been accepted for build about one hour ago. Give it some time... [01:11] oh.... I need to chroot again and kill dhclient :P [01:11] well, it doesn't exactly take long to build :) [01:11] it depends on how many build requests are there [01:11] crdlb: Do you think I can have fglrx 8.600 by tonight =P [01:14] Wait, is that going to be a Jaunty driver? That 8.600? [01:14] I tried the RC of 8.600... and it didn't do this X server. Judging from the epoch in fglrx-installer (2:8.600), though... [01:14] ... maybe it'll do X Server 1.6. [01:15] it does [01:15] If so, and if it's still broken just as the others were... I'll try it on Intrepid. [01:15] And if it's broken there, too.. then my bug will be... not fixed. =þ [01:15] what I don't know is whether this one is based on 9.3 or 9.4 [01:16] Best unicode character ever: thorn. 'þ' [01:16] =P =p =Þ =þ [01:16] Hobbsee: Nice to chat with you again, it was fun :) [01:16] :) [01:16] * DanaG wonders when crimsun will show up next... I happen to have a PA question. [01:18] Hobbsee: I've been wanting a channel to replace -offtopic and it looks like this is the kinda channel I want - except that is OT for here [01:18] good luck with finding one! [01:19] I was hoping you had a suggestion [01:20] i rather like #linode on oftc, but don't have any other suggestions [01:21] Why do changelogs take so long to appear? [01:21] #ubuntu+offtopic ? :> [01:21] If update-manager suggests going to the launchpad.net page... why doesn't it just wget the danged file? [01:21] DanaG: it's a bug, which every once in a while i go "i want to poke someoen to fix it" [01:21] DanaG: and because it would appear with html + css + other launchpad stuff. === drostie is now known as drostie|dreams [01:22] well, we'll have pywebkitgtk for that soon :) [01:22] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gst-plugins-base0.10/0.10.22-3ubuntu1/+changelog [01:22] Not much, though. [01:22] view-source it. [01:22] =þ [01:23] my policy of never installing updates without reading changelogs first -- with the exception of ppa updates -- has served me well. [01:23] * Fix spelling of scalable/apps/gnome-session-hebirnate.svg. [01:23] hah. [01:23] hopefully that's not the fixed version [01:24] =þ [01:25] * DanaG shall try Jaunty on a Zaurus soon. [01:29] anyone else been stuck with partial upgrades the past day === Andre_Gondim-afk is now known as Andre_Gondim [01:31] eternal_p: Funny thing, updating FIXED my partial upgrades. [01:32] eternal_p, probably most... gnome has just released 2.26, and a lot of packages are being upgraded [01:33] hggdh: thanks, it seems that restricted-extras and most kernel stuff is what us unchecked at this time [01:34] etf - I wiped off a bunch of apps and they're magically back [01:35] r-e should be installable? [01:36] ? [01:36] Hobbsee: I had less than 950 packages installed on here, now there's over 1,000 [01:36] 150 packages popped back in [01:37] i meant in relation to eternal_p [01:37] ah, fair enough [01:37] I'm patient, I was just courious [01:37] !info popularity-contest [01:37] popularity-contest (source: popularity-contest): Vote for your favourite packages automatically. In component main, is standard. Version 1.46ubuntu1 (jaunty), package size 42 kB, installed size 192 kB [01:38] hrm... it looks like that's default and running [01:38] that's neat [01:39] odd: for me, g-p-m doesn't use notify-osd for brightness. [01:39] gah - I wanna remove it but I like contributing to those cool graphs [01:40] I suppose that's a neat way of guaging how many users use ubuntu though - huh? [01:43] !info libqt4-sql-psql [01:43] libqt4-sql-psql (source: qt4-x11): Qt 4 PostgreSQL database driver. In component main, is optional. Version 4.5.0-0ubuntu2 (jaunty), package size 26 kB, installed size 144 kB [01:48] How can I see a list of every single service that starts at boot time? [01:51] i upgraded the other night to 9.04 and now flash doesn't work. Yet when I try to install the flash player it already states it's installed....any idea? [01:51] MTecknology, ls /etc/rcS.d [01:53] MTecknology: ls -l /etc/rc2.d [01:53] thanks [01:54] so it's notify-osd that makes those really pretty popups [01:54] i upgraded the other night to 9.04 and now flash doesn't work. Yet when I try to install the flash player it already states it's installed....any idea? [02:00] MTecknology: Indeed it is [02:01] Veinor: I'm pretty impressed with it - I'm investigating every single installed package to see what I want to get rid of :P [02:01] why can't I drop firefox-3.0-branding w/o dropping firefox-3.0 too [02:17] lol... what happens if I choose not to have hal startup? [02:19] MTecknology: depends. Are you running GNOME? [02:20] or KDE too, probably [02:20] neither [02:20] MTecknology: ah. stopping hal broke dbus, which broke GNOME for me, hence me asking. [02:21] hrm - what happens if I kill dbus too? :P [02:21] oh - and I've always been curious what the policykit is [02:31] rww: k - dbus makes it so apps can communicate with other things, hal makes it so your hardware can communicate with other things [02:31] so... back to the chroot to try to fix my disabling of hal [02:34] Setup virtualbox with jaunty alpha 6 and after installing guest additions (which removed X, suspiciously) restart and only get CLI. Any help? I would prefer to do patch testing with guest additions, but if it is broken... ? [02:34] I'm back in the chroot - but no way to launch app [02:34] s [02:36] * DanaG wonders when that fglrx will hit the repos. [02:37] oh wait, it's there already? [02:37] it is [02:38] How do I enable hal from cli? [02:38] * DanaG hopes it doesn't give him a panic like every single other fglrx version newer than 8.543 has. [02:38] .... even on Intrepid. [02:38] ... and if it does..... then I'll get a stacktrace. [02:38] maybe you should just try it [02:38] MTecknology: how'd you disable it? :) [02:39] crdlb: bum [02:39] ugh, doesn't like 2.6.29 kernel, it seems. [02:40] just use 2.6.28 then :> [02:41] DOesn't have working driver for my accelerometer, among other things. :( [02:41] Or rather, doesn't have driver that works for accelerometer and LED together. [02:42] just test it with 2.6.28! :D [02:42] MTecknology: mhh, I don't really know anything about ubuntu's init system [02:42] since I usally learn about it when I break it [02:42] hey folks, 2.6.28-10 breaks my tv tuner card (philips 713x) any work arounds/debug pointers? [02:42] and I have yet to break it on ubuntu ... [02:42] durt: breaks it how? [02:43] crdlb: same here, it's why I'm playing instead of starting a massive assignment due tomorrow [02:43] two days * [02:43] no video, got sound, no new channel tuning. [02:43] Error! Build of fglrx.ko failed for: 2.6.29-020629rc8-generic (x86_64) [02:43] Consult the make.log in the build directory [02:43] /var/lib/dkms/fglrx/8.600/build/ for more information. [02:44] DKMS make.log for fglrx-8.600 for kernel 2.6.29-020629rc8-generic (x86_64) [02:44] Tue Mar 17 19:43:26 PDT 2009 [02:44] /var/lib/dkms/fglrx/8.600/build [02:44] MTecknology: could you just run /etc/init.d/hal start ? [02:44] Not a very useful log. [02:44] crdlb: no - because hal give the the ability to do that :P [02:44] DanaG: you've got the headers for that mainline installed, correct? [02:44] Yes. [02:45] MTecknology: you can't get to a command line? [02:45] crdlb: doesn't appear so - I can try again [02:45] hmm, ./make.sh worked. [02:46] bbiab [02:52] Well, it's panic-ing just like all the others -- and this is on 2.6.28. [02:53] hey....i updated ubuntu to 9.04 the other day and now flash doesn't work. When I try and install flash ubuntu tells me that it's already intalled.....any ideas on how to fix it? [02:54] shade34321, how did you install flash? [02:55] yup, same panic. [02:55] through firefox.....when i went to pandora firefox told me that i was missing plugins [02:55] that quit was me not connecting the power cord on the secondary laptop I use to grab stuff over serial-over-lan. [02:58] So, I shall update my bug report, with a new stacktrace. [02:58] That was on 2.6.28-10-generic kernel this time. [02:58] is it possible for me to install cinerella on jaunty jackalope 64 bit? [02:58] shade34321, 'sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree' [02:59] this is what it gave me [02:59] Reading package lists... Done [02:59] Building dependency tree [02:59] Reading state information... Done [02:59] flashplugin-nonfree is already the newest version. [02:59] 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [03:00] what does 'about:config' in FF say about flash? [03:00] you mean about:plugins ? [03:00] oops, yes [03:00] ok...one sec [03:02] shade34321: did you upgrade from 8.10? [03:02] enaner: cinerella looks pretty well supported. I'm sure it will be installable in jaunty [03:02] yes....i upgraded because i couldnt get a dvd to play in 8.10 and somebody told me 9.04 plays dvd's out of the box [03:03] shade34321: had the same problem - try uninstalling and the installing flash player again (not --reinstall!) [03:03] that worked here [03:03] *then [03:03] danbhfive, its not in the add/remove ... sudo apt-get install cinerella doesn't work either ... and theres no repos to add from their websites ... the last version they support there is intrepid [03:04] * RAOF wonders what it would take to ensure people didn't say "I upgraded because I couldn't get $FOO to work in 8.10, and I hear it works in Jaunty" [03:04] i couldnt find it in FF "about:config" [03:04] lol.... [03:04] enaner: well, jaunty isn't out yet, so... [03:05] danbhfive, i need it ... is there a way to downgrade to jaunty? [03:05] im unistalling it then installing again [03:05] enaner: well, you could try installing the intrepid packages [03:06] shade34321: he meant about:plugins [03:07] RAOF: a private beta? :) [03:08] it worked....thanks! [03:08] np [03:08] now to get the dvd's to work:) [03:08] lol [03:08] RAOF: I upgraded to Jaunty because my wifi card has a much improved driver in it. Thankfully, I don't whine when Jaunty subsequently breaks :) [03:09] * crdlb upgraded for the newer glib/gtk [03:09] hurrah - back working [03:09] what can I screw up now? [03:09] lol [03:10] COOL! === _Roey is now known as Roey [03:10] hi all [03:10] thunar has a nice red banner when running as root [03:10] not annoying, just there [03:11] eek! do-release-upgrade aborts and says I don't have enough space on /boot. I gave /boot 128MB. do-release-upgrade wants 160 free. what the hell? How can I get around this? [03:11] sounds like a good idea to me [03:11] oh hi maco! [03:11] Roey: delete old kernels [03:11] I did [03:11] but I mean, all of my /boot is 128MB. [03:12] maco: it's a - needs to grow thing [03:12] in other words, it wants more space than I even have partitioned for /boot [03:12] :-/ lvm? [03:12] I can't do lvm on /boot [03:12] maco: hush :P [03:12] really? bah [03:12] Roey: how is it partitioned? [03:12] oh come on, so I can't upgrade to Jaunty now because of some small snag of forty megs? [03:12] /boot is on /dev/md0, it's 128 MB. [03:12] why would it need that much space? :o [03:12] crdlb: see, that's what I ask. [03:12] it could take hours, but you could boot from a live cd and shrink your main partition then grow your /boot partition [03:12] i mean the structure [03:13] it's on softraid1 [03:13] that's what I was wondering about bing possible ^ [03:13] pastebin ls -l /boot [03:13] with two drives mirroring each other. [03:13] argh, frankly, I was expecting the new fglrx to be broken. [03:14] dtchen: its not the "how much is in there" though [03:14] I have three kernels in /boot dir, and du says 39M [03:14] http://pastebin.com/m35bfc286 [03:14] dtchen: re-read, he said it wants 160mb free on a 128mb-allocated partition [03:14] Roey: you likely don't need the older kernels. [03:14] I found a bug in teh live cd - fixing my system - bug 344636 [03:14] Launchpad bug 344636 in vim "Error loading vim.tiny in 9.04 LiveCD" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/344636 [03:15] like, I understand it might want to roll up a kernel or initrd so it might want extra space but surely it can be coaxed to do that kind of processing not on /boot ? [03:15] is anyone running a stock 9.04 setup that can confirm if this happens after install? [03:15] Roey: no, the extra space is for initramfs backup. [03:15] dtchen: please re-read: it doesn't matter how much I get rid of old kernels; the boot partition is sized forty megs below the script's requirements [03:15] Roey: I have an idea... [03:15] I've deleted old kernels, anyway. [03:15] yeah? [03:16] Roey: that's straightforward. mount a larger tmpfs for /boot. [03:16] heh [03:16] how so [03:16] damn. beat me to it :-p [03:16] ya - that [03:16] Why not bindmount some dir in the main fs or so [03:16] so I'd just make a ramfs of 300MB, say? [03:16] hell. you don't even need to do that [03:16] yeah [03:16] genii: that one! [03:16] ok, so even if I bindmount [03:16] what do I do afterwards then? [03:16] argh. everyone's so on it today :-p [03:16] yeay [03:16] even if I mount -o remount [03:16] so? [03:17] nemo: ya - my attempts to help are... frivilous [03:17] I'll eeventually need to transfer /something/ back to the original /boot [03:17] YOU LOSE! GOOD DAY SIR! [03:17] Roey: again, trivial after the upgrade completes. [03:17] how so [03:17] here's an easier idea...... [03:17] dtchen: of course, he could just permanently move /boot into main [03:17] screw having a boot partition [03:17] idk what any of you are sayin... [03:18] mkdir /boot [03:18] ok i know what nemo said [03:18] add a small drive, move your /boot to that, upgrade, move /boot back [03:18] well cp -a /boot /newboot [03:18] umount /boot [03:18] mv /newboot /boot [03:18] and edit fstab and grub [03:18] that's easier too... [03:18] ok [03:18] I did it. [03:18] umount /boot; rmdir /boopt [03:18] and now it is running. [03:18] umount /boot; rmdir /boot [03:18] it's probably more familiar, but it's not any easier per se [03:19] heh. is this a game to see how many solutions we can come up with? [03:19] I am running do-release-thingy now [03:19] is that easier than running [03:19] % sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get clean [03:19] ? [03:19] ooh. run gparted on the system and resize /boot - new one :D [03:19] well, sure. realise that you can also alter the calculation that do-release-upgrade uses. [03:19] my partner gparted and lefderoom debesterd [03:20] thanks all [03:20] thanks maco [03:20] Roey: heh - I think dtchen just came in w/ #1 idea :P [03:20] tell it to use less space [03:21] how so?? [03:21] dtchen: ? [03:21] dtchen: ? [03:21] mr. chen, I see your reputation preceeds you yet again [03:22] http://pastebin.com/f50ca5884 [03:22] Roey: dist-upgrade doesnt know about all the tricks do-release-upgrade knows about [03:22] ah [03:22] see that's what I assumed [03:22] thanks [03:23] damned fglrx [03:23] I must have bad video karma, or something.... [03:23] fglrx invariably panics... and nouveau just plain rapes the cpu. [03:23] fglrx sounds like a curse word [03:23] Two completely different systems, of course. [03:24] ok [03:24] I'll upgrade tomorrow [03:24] gotta go to sleep right now [03:24] I'm having problems using mouse to click on anything with the latest updates... Is this a known problem or can someone help me please? [03:24] DanaG, MTecknology, dtchen and maco, hav a good night all :) [03:24] and thanks [03:24] I'll be back tomorrow [03:24] -ishg [03:24] you too [03:24] *-ish [03:33] so... what should I mark my bug report now? [03:33] It's certainly not fixed. [03:35] A related bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/fglrx/+bug/288620 [03:35] Ubuntu bug 288620 in fglrx-installer "fglrx:fireglAsyncioIntEnableMsgHandler] *ERROR* interrupt source ff000066 is not supported on this hardware (return code = 1) [EPR#257840]" [Low,Fix released] [03:38] I must just have bad video karma, or something. [03:39] go complain in #ati [03:39] I did. [03:39] again [03:39] =þ [03:42] is 47,000 karma a lot? [03:45] oh yeah, that "created extra space" in usb-creator... will that preserve changes to root, not just home? [04:07] Should I go ahead and mark my bug back to "not fixed"? [04:08] Well, at least radeon works nicely. === DanaG is now known as damned_fglrx === damned_fglrx is now known as DanaG [04:20] =þ [04:29] Great, now I'm stuck in "gripe" mode / mood. [04:29] ='þ [04:30] * DanaG pipes his gripes (hah, rhyme!) to /dev/null [04:39] hey anyone here? [04:39] For some reason the update manager does not notify me of updates anymore in the tray [04:40] http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1083584&page=10 [04:40] heh, I tried the Plymouth PPA... it just plain didn't work. [04:41] as in... did nothing. [04:41] At all. [04:41] DanaG: That's nothing, I built a 2.6.29 kernel with intel modesetting and it still showed the text-based boot [04:42] Same here -- even with ATI modesetting. [04:42] Modesetting worked; Plymouth did not. [04:42] It did literally nothing, even when manually launching plymouthd and doing plymouth --show-splash. [04:42] I did a strace of it... and it seemed to be trying to do... something..... to ttyS0. [04:42] Yes, S as in serial. [04:43] Also, I built the 2.6.28-10-generic kernel with CONFIG_PREEMPT and all of my performance problems went away [04:43] Does anybdoy know how to get update manager tray icon working again? [04:43] I/O no longer makes the system slow down and pulseaudio hasn't (other than on start) dropped out once [04:43] yharrow1: it's gone [04:43] eh? [04:43] yharrow1: Instead update-manager will launch every 2 days [04:43] so um... why did they take it out? [04:44] People ignored it [04:44] eh..not me [04:44] Auto-launching is bad enough.... [04:44] who is people? [04:44] ... what's worse is that it doesn't update the friggin PACKAGE CACHE before launching! [04:44] Today I booted a drive I hadn't booted in 5 weeks........ [04:44] ..... update-manager auto-launched..... displaying 5-week old updates. [04:45] I'd call that a miserable failure. [04:45] DanaG: yay 404 errors [04:45] although I think something does apt-get update every 24 hours [04:45] I had to manually hit "Check". [04:45] But that may have been update-notifier [04:45] Maybe let us choose how often we want it to run? [04:45] ... and then it showed the friggin' updates. [04:46] Yeah, failure. [04:47] I see an option in the sources dialog for "Automatic Updates" > Check for updates.. "Daily, Every two days" etc [04:47] Does that setting matter anymore? [04:48] If I have it set to check every day, will update the source list, check for updates, and show an icon if i need some? [04:49] "Auto Mobile Broadband (CDMA) Connection".... [04:49]