[00:00] So, I see the whole screen flicker, because it redraws continuously... at about 1 or 2 FPS. [00:00] hmm that does not sound good [00:01] yeah, I went back to non-gfxboot. [00:33] hello [00:33] please anyone with karmic and /home in ext4 partition can help me? [00:34] I need the /etc/fstab line for /home in ext4 [00:34] anyone can paste it for me, please? [00:35] UUID=02ba95db-853e-49df-b90e-294c806cac54 /home ext4 relatime 0 2 [00:35] I'm not sure on the options, though -- I've changed mine. [00:35] I think the default may be relatime,errors=remount-ro [00:35] But the "0 2" is correct -- makes it check it after root. [00:35] Isn't everybody's UUID unique? [00:36] yeah, to get your uuid, 'sudo blkid ' [00:36] i am interested in options and in integers [00:38] do you think this is right? [00:38] /dev/sda4 /home ext4 relatime,errors=remount-ro 0 2 [00:39] /dev/sda4 /home ext4 relatime,errors=remount-ro 0 2 [00:41] Is there a way with the Karmic kernel 2.6.31.-5 #24 in the command line to tell it to NOT look for the battery state please ?? This is where it is locking up on boot..... [00:41] I finally got to the boot menu list screen..... Phew..... [00:42] EagleScreen: looks about right to me. [00:42] thanks [00:54] EagleScreen, default for ext4 on my system is just relatime [00:54] UUID=ac555012-2a40-4641-9b85-373f8db7e929 /home ext4 relatime 0 2 [00:54] thanks billybigrigger [00:55] np [01:06] http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12898 [01:06] bugzilla.kernel.org bug 12898 in Serial ATA "External drive on eSATA are not considered as removable/hotplug" [Normal,Rejected: invalid] [01:06] Invalid? Hah! [01:08] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12127 [01:08] Freedesktop bug 12127 in hald "HAL does not consider eSATA drives to be hotpluggable" [Normal,New] [01:43] Is there anyway to reconfigure pulseaudio in kubuntu? [02:50] why doesn't PulseAudio Preferences work in Kubuntu karmic? [02:55] I've been wondering that, myself. [02:58] Is anyone aware of a bug in Karmic that causes the screensaver not to turn on? I just searched on Launchpad and did not find anything. [03:00] anyone having problems with flash and chromium? [03:01] billybigrigger: not much, no. it is not perfect, but not much worse than flash in firefox [03:01] where is your flash .so located? [03:02] and are you using the newest update alpha of flash? [03:02] /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins/libflashplayer.so [03:02] I'm using the generic flash 10 32 bit from adobe.com [03:02] 10.0.32.18 [03:02] 64bit right? [03:02] 10.0 r32 [03:03] I'm on 64bit ubuntu, but using 32 bit flash. [03:03] chromium for linux is always built 32bit [03:03] are kubuntu karmic issues discussed in #ubuntu+1 also or is it only for ubuntu ? [03:04] ello [03:04] anyone running UNR on a Samsung NC10 ? [03:05] mase_work, +1 chat is here only [03:05] Question: I want to install version 5.8 of Catalyst (a Perl-based web development framework). I've got Ubuntu 9.04 installed. Ubuntu 9.04 has Catalyst 5.7 (an old version). I see that Karmic has Catalyst 5.8. Is there some way I can take advantage of that Catalyst 5.8 package from Karmic to install Catalyst 5.8 in my Ubuntu 9.04 installation? Or is that definitely impossible? [03:06] noone testing the unr koala on a nc10 ? :( [03:06] you can't run karmic packages in jaunty [03:06] kurisuto: I think that would depend upon what Catalyst in Karmic was dependent upon, and the version numbers [03:07] ugh, naming collision with ATI drivers. =þ [03:08] Is it an unwise thing to try to do, in general? [03:08] I think the worst thing that would happen is that you'd have a broken package to uninstall [03:09] Any pointer as to how I'd go about trying it? [03:09] download the package and see if it will install [03:10] anyone using karmic UNR at all ? :) [03:12] anyone here use gnome-shell? [03:13] Mactabilis: Im testing the bootup time on a eee1000HE [03:14] danbhfive1 hows the netbook-launcher running for ya ? Mine crashed like every 5min. If I remove a favortie -> crash, if I select "Services" --> crash, and so on. Did you notice something alike ? [03:15] Mactabilis: actually, I've been avoiding using it, since my fan didn't seem to be spinning up [03:16] mh, I see. Anyone else who tried karmic UNR ? [03:22] Mactabilis: what is UNR ? [03:23] billybigrigger, 'you can't' is too much, and probably false. You can, but it may not work. [03:23] mase_work Ubuntu Netbook Remix [03:24] ah ok [03:24] I wish Ubuntu would export find_task_by_vpid in their kernels. [03:24] http://www.nabble.com/-Cooker--Re:--RPM--cooker-non-free-release-fglrx-8.620-2mdv2010.0-td24636966.html [03:26] catalyst 5.8 is debian testing [03:26] you could easily request a merge on launchpad and have 5.8 built for karmic :P [03:27] Package libcatalyst-perl squeeze (testing) (perl): The Elegant MVC Web Application Framework [03:27] 5.80007-1: all [03:27] oh, he left a few mins ago haha [03:53] ntfs-3g is giving me a mere 500 kilobytes per second on a (same-drive) copy. That's utterly pathetic. [03:58] ... especially considering my 5-megabit-down internet connection... is 640 kilobytes. [03:59] NTFS-3G is actually slower than my internet connection! [04:00] greetings all [04:15] DanaG, USB? [04:15] Nope, SATA. [04:15] i've found USB transfers deadly slow lately [04:16] hmm, I've just had issues with ntfs-3g, always. [04:16] It's always been dog-slow. [04:16] When SATA is slower than internet... yeah, that's bad. [04:16] And it bogs down the rest of the system, too... as if it were an old, old old system. [04:23] oh, I forgot I had set the thing to do a backup at 6 sharp. [04:23] Sun Aug 16 20:23:30 PDT 2009 [04:23] or rather, 6PM. [04:25] DanaG, do you have a powerful cpu in that rig? [04:26] knowing you it's probably something obscure with no linux driver [04:52] bjsnider: actually, this is my EliteBook -- Core 2 Duo. [05:12] is user2 part of group user2 even though my /etc/group file says user2:x:1002: (without user2 being behind the last :) [06:13] spo: if that is user2's primary group, yes. you can verify with "sudo -u user2 groups" [06:56] Howdy. I am setting up a physical machine to use for testing of Karmic. The installer won't work if I create a root jfs filesystem. Is only jfs broken at present? [06:57] I am using the apha-4 alternate installer, if that makes a difference. [07:12] where can i go to edit the sounds for system events in karmic? [07:22] nhasian, Sound preferences don't have many options in karmic. [07:24] nhasian, I can help you a little with sounds, but I don't know the proper way to change them. I just know how to hack it. [07:47] Does anybody else have trouble rendering certain websites with the new Firefox? [08:17] Severian, haha i thought they had moved the options somewhere. you mean editing the sound events in the gui are missing completely? thats just funny. [08:17] Severian, I was hoping to add the sound events to empathy as it appears they are missing altogether. [08:18] Hello, does alternate installer support WPA connections ? [08:18] nhasian, You can't change the events at the moment. I assume some other dialog will appear later. [08:18] Severian, I'll keep my fingers crossed. [08:19] Severian, thanks for your help i'm heading off to bed [08:19] bye, nhandler [08:47] Hello, what's a good method to copy package selections from one machine to another ? [08:48] AnAnt, In Synaptic, go to File/Generate Package Download Script on the first machine. Run that script on the second machine. [08:58] any other way ? [09:02] i need proprietary drivers for nvidia for jaunty [09:02] they worked with hardy but now.... i'm stuck [09:03] see the topic, this channel is for karmic, the next release [09:03] jaunty support at #ubuntu [09:03] they sent me here [09:03] rek: theck the X swat PPA [09:03] ? [09:04] is there a list of changes of karmic? [09:04] when is the next karmic relases, after the alpha 3 one [09:04] rek: ask on #ubuntu-x [09:04] when does alpha 4 or beta come out? [09:04] alpha4 is out [09:05] when does alpha 5 or beta 1 come out? [09:05] sheesh! [09:06] spo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule [09:06] spo: what is it you are really looking for? [09:07] anyone tried gnome-shell? i simply cant get it to run! :( [09:07] AnAnt: on one machine, do "dpkg --get-selections >packages.txt", then on the other machine you can do "dpkg --get-selections bah [09:08] AnAnt: sorry, the second command should have --set-selections, not --get-selections [09:09] when did alpha 4 come out? [09:09] mac_v, i want better usb power management [09:09] ie to shut down usb hard drives configuration [09:10] so i don't have to pay for more elecriticity [09:10] spo: so what does it have to do with the alpa release cycle? [09:10] s/cycle/schedule? [09:11] mac_v, why do you ask so many questions? [09:12] mac_v, are you trying to intimidate me? [09:13] spo: when you are asking for something alpha4 , then alpha 5, it really seems a weird... just asking what you want would get you better answers [09:13] Ng: thanks [09:14] mac_v, how come you are all up in my face and besides me? [09:15] spo: I think he asked a reasonable question [09:16] lapic command is not reconized anymore the log file tells me to enable it [09:16] spo: alpha 4 came out on the date shown in the wiki.ubuntu.com URL I just told you about :) [09:18] is it possible to turn off a usb hard drive through an OS like ubuntu or windows? [09:19] Ng: are you one of the ops? could you add the release schedule url to the bots [09:19] mac_v: I'm not [09:19] spo, try the normal hdparm command for spinning down drives and see how it does. [09:19] Ng: what if some packages don't exist , will that cause an error ? [09:20] Ng: should I run apt-get after --set-selections ? [09:20] severian, thank you, You have beent he most helpful person in this channel to me , ever [09:20] AnAnt: probably "apt-get install" would apply the selections. non-existent packages should be ignored [09:21] Ng: thanks [09:21] Hello, in alpha3 PC beep was working on my laptop, yet in alpha4 it doesn't, is this a kernel or pulseaudio issue ? [09:21] anant, alpha 4 has been released. I helped release it too. [09:21] The ubuntu channel seems more helpful, in general. Sorry for your experience. I have not had much luck here, but I did get one good answer. I just try to be patient. [09:22] severian, i was just kidding/teasing the other people in here, about what i said to you about you being the most helpful person to me , ever in this channel [09:23] spo, that last one was for you. The other thing I have noticed is that the testing for the next released version has been more problematic this cycle. But, that is why I test, to try to find a few bugs. [09:23] spo, then nevermind. [09:24] Ng: hmm, apt-get install didn't apply selections [09:24] nor -f install , nor dist-upgrade [09:25] AnAnt: hrm. it's a while since I've done that, I suggest a quick google :) [09:26] Ng: dselect-upgrade ! according to dpkg man page [09:26] ah yeah [09:29] i wish there was a way for OS systems to turn off USB drives by stopping the motherboard from supplying power to usb ports [09:29] does karmic have implementations to control motherbaord power? [09:30] good night [09:30] i am going to shutdown [09:33] Good morning all.... [09:35] I'm still stuck on this kernel 2.6.31.-6.17 hanging on * Check battery state. How to tell grub ? kernel ? to bypass this call please ? [09:35] !karmicschedule [09:35] Sorry, I don't know anything about karmicschedule [09:37] !KarmicSchedule is bar [09:40] !KarmicSchedule is The Release Schedule for Karmic is : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule [09:42] !karmicschedule [09:42] Sorry, I don't know anything about karmicschedule [09:42] !schedule-#ubuntu+1 [09:42] A schedule of Karmic Koala (9.10) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule [09:42] \o/ [09:42] why the # in command ? === alankila1 is now known as alankila [09:44] i dont know just trying to figure it out with the ops [09:44] !schedule [09:44] A schedule of Karmic Koala (9.10) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule [09:44] ah. no need i guess [09:46] ok === geser_ is now known as geser [10:01] Well.... I managed to jump through that hoop, finally.... .. [10:27] anyone else having troubles with the newest kernel, flash and ff3.5? [10:27] ff just borks on me [10:39] slacker_nl: what's the problem in flash ? sound? [10:40] mac_v: it loads slow, and shutsdown ff [10:41] FF is unable to do anything, need to shutdown and then can continue [10:41] oh... i dont know about that [10:41] .5 kernel everything works fine [10:41] .6 fail :( [10:54] hey guys [10:55] im upgrading to alpha 4,anything i should know about? ( anything major is broken,etc,etc ) [10:57] ding [10:57] ok i guess thats a no.... [10:58] shadeslayer: from jaunty? or from alpha3? [11:00] mac_v: im doing a clean install of alpha 4 [11:00] * shadeslayer waves iso [11:01] shadeslayer: ok, currently running? [11:01] jaunty + KDE 4.3 [11:01] shadeslayer: oh , kubuntu , i dont know [11:02] mac_v: ok,your in gnome? anything broken there? [11:02] mac_v: last time i visited (alpha 2) they said some updates broke hal..... [11:02] pulseaudio , has major issues [11:02] ahh.. [11:03] no problem cuz KDE uses phonon [11:03] the only thing haunting me are the dev packages i used to compile some software will have to reinstalled [11:04] mac_v: ok just rebooting with a bootable pendrive....see you soon in karmic :) [11:16] no big issues with kubuntu [11:18] Hi, my cups won't start anymore [11:18] cupsd: Child exited on signal 15! [11:18] cupsctl: Unable to connect to server: connection refused [11:18] is the error message when I do /etc/init.d/cups start [11:22] oh man oh man [11:22] i cant stop ogling [11:23] Kubuntu 9.10 wont be less than heaven [11:23] shadeslayer: I *absolutely* agree! [11:24] Kubuntu 9.10 is delicious :) [11:24] suit: i just need to install the nvidia drivers.... strange thing though.... jockey-kde works fine on the live CD but not on the installed system o.0 [11:24] cumulus007: yeah [11:24] Earlier I went from Karmic Kubuntu to Karmic Kubuntu to try out what's new there and sheeeeesh what a world of difference. [11:24] shadeslayer: You got a NVidia non legacy card by any chance? [11:24] suit: huh??? [11:24] Errr [11:24] Wow, typos. [11:24] I went from Kubuntu to Ubuntu to try that out. [11:24] suit: legacy?? i have a 8600M GT [11:25] dont think its legacy [11:25] suit: gnome seriously needs to do a 3.0 [11:25] shadeslayer: Then I recommend you don't install one of the drivers recommended by the inbuilt hardware menu thingie [11:25] My performance went through the roof after installing the 190.18 ones [11:25] suit: sure....ill install it via apt [11:26] suit: you compiled them i guess? [11:26] There's a handy guide I bookmarked, real quick and easy stuff: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=990978 [11:27] kpackagekit notifications are awesome [11:27] :o [11:27] Man, it's such a culture shock. I tried KDE exactly once and that was about 3 years ago. Couldn't stand it. [11:28] suit: and i guess you migrated to KDE 4.3 ? [11:28] Ohhellyeah. [11:28] :D [11:29] 83 updates [11:29] and its been 3 days === richardcavell is now known as richardcavell|af [11:29] *awesome* === richardcavell|af is now known as richardcavellafk [11:29] * shadeslayer checks out other things [11:30] ugh..same notifications for the volume up and down thing.....they should use kosd [11:31] shadeslayer: neat-looking osd's for the volume is planned for 4.4 afaik [11:31] oh good [11:31] i need to fstab..... my data partition wont mount with locale en-IN [11:31] http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.4_Feature_Plan#kdemultimedia [11:34] cumulus007: did dolphin have the tab thing earlier? [11:35] shadeslayer: the tabs have been avaliable since.. uhm, a loong time ago :) [11:35] didnt notice them then [11:36] File -> new tab [11:36] or ctrl + T [11:39] ok so got my partitions to mount [11:39] now to install irssi and the restricted packages :) [11:41] brb [11:47] and btw the boot was like 2 secs [12:00] heh [12:01] suit: yeah,it booted *alot* faster than 9.04,heck even the USB drive was quicker [12:01] Can't even begin to elaborate how much I love KDEs take on 'wobbly windows'. Just smooth. Elegant. [12:02] suit: i cant do that right now :( [12:02] w/ Compiz I'm always afraid my window has a stroke, even after tweaking it [12:02] hehe [12:03] suit: you recommend which nvidia drivers? [12:03] Edit August 03 2009: Latest nVidia 190.xx (BETA) 190.18.13 OpenGL 3.2 Drivers: Download [12:03] right? [12:03] Right. Since you're using Karmic you don't seem to have a problem with beta software, heh [12:03] don't like kpackagekit after a quick peek tbh [12:03] I'm using 190.18.13, too. Runs like a charm. [12:04] suit: lol.... this my first time with alpha software...learning by breaking ftw [12:04] hah [12:05] suit: although i have used Beta 9.04 and some other SVN software [12:05] +Kubuntu [12:05] Only thing that bugs me about KDE is the window resizing. [12:05] But even that got considerably smoother for me with the 190.18.13 drivers. [12:05] suit: hmm....well ill be compiling aurorae in a few mins,you could try that [12:06] hehe, i'm using aurorae [12:06] suit: oh cool! [12:07] with the Airglass-black theme [12:07] suit: they should use aurorae by default,kwin just looks bad with KDE :( [12:07] it spoils the air theme [12:08] i heard alot of people like the oxygen stuff that comes with 4.3 [12:08] :o [12:08] i'm not one of them tho [12:08] suit: i just dont like the window decorations [12:09] the devs could have done a better job of them [12:10] return of kaffeine yayy [12:10] Agree. Btw, I absolutely worship the KDE devs. Just had a look at past roadmaps etc and it's crazy how much they changed in so little time [12:11] ridiculous [12:11] suit: *agree* [12:12] alright, gotta jet [12:12] sure [12:12] nice talking to a fellow fanboy, heh [12:12] bye [12:12] bye [12:12] suit: hehe [12:20] hi anyone using karmic unr? [12:27] How do you enable (experimental) 3D rendering with radeonhd drivers? [12:27] 16:57 < ziroday> How do you enable (experimental) 3D rendering with radeonhd drivers? [12:27] stupid irssi [12:29] !unr [12:29] Sorry, I don't know anything about unr [12:35] I was just wondering whether video perfomance on intel 9xx cards was much better than jaunty, i have three machines with intel 9xx cards, and flash player is poo with them :-) [12:35] jonick: its supposed to get better [12:36] hmm, wonder whether to install to try it, it's ext4 in karmic yeah ? [12:37] jonick: yep [12:38] jonick: ext 4 is also available in jaunty [12:38] hmm, had problems trying to install fedora on this bx using ext4, the partitioning went squiffy...... I didn't realise that jaunty was using ext4.... [12:39] per default it used ext3 [12:39] jonick: its not deafult,you will have to manually partition [12:40] (and i always would recomment ext3 until now ;) ) [12:41] Ah... Thats what I thought. I'm sure mine ext3, so that means no upgrade path from jaunty to karmic? [12:41] jonick: you can convert it to ext4 [12:42] jonick: http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto [12:42] I'm a bit nervous after fedora thang :-/ [12:43] hmm [12:43] jonick: its a risk youll have to take.....looks safe though [12:43] ah, well.... don't have too much on /home to loose :-) [12:44] hehe [12:44] any way... gotta go do some work... C U l8r [12:44] jonick: sure [12:49] Hello, in alpha3 PC beep was working on my laptop, yet in alpha4 it doesn't, is this a kernel or pulseaudio issue [12:49] ? [12:49] AnAnt: modprobe pcspkr [12:49] shadeslayer: it is loaded [12:50] AnAnt: hmm.... maybe its muted in kmix? [12:50] shadeslayer: I unmuted it in alsamixer [12:50] it doesnt work here either :P [12:50] shadeslayer: it worked in alpha3 [12:51] shadeslayer: do you think that's a kernel issue or pulseaudio/alsa issue ? [12:51] shadeslayer: I just want to know where/how to submit a bug report [12:51] AnAnt: maybe... i just insalled A4 today [12:51] !bugs [12:51] If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug » If that fails, you can report bugs manually at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots [12:52] shadeslayer: yeah, I meant which package ? [12:52] AnAnt: the kernel i guess [12:52] ok, thanks [12:52] AnAnt: or the pcspkr module [12:52] well, that's part of linux-source [12:54] AnAnt: then then the kernel would be the package [12:54] AnAnt: how do you test the beep? (im using /beep in irssi) [12:55] shadeslayer: in a tty1 I press backspace ! [12:55] haha [12:55] shadeslayer: well, are you using the latest kernel ? 2.6.31-6 ? [12:56] AnAnt: im upgrading..... [12:56] so am I [12:56] installed like 20 mins ago [12:56] so, whoever finishes upgrade first will report the bug ? [12:56] AnAnt: linux-headers-2.6.31-6 [12:56] AnAnt: itll be you....i have a 128 kbps connection :P [12:57] ok, it seems about an hour still till I finish [12:57] I'll notify you of the bug number if you're online (if you didn't beat me to it) [12:57] AnAnt: ill poke around some more..... [12:57] ill be here if theres no power outage [13:02] AnAnt: do you know how to set the resolution of a tty? [13:02] I don't need to in karmic [13:03] AnAnt: its set already? [13:04] AnAnt: im guessing you live in India? [13:05] shadeslayer: I know that my nickname sounds Indian, but I'm far from India or being Indian [13:05] shadeslayer: yeah, karmic sets a very good resolution for tty [13:06] AnAnt: yeah....i have a friend named Anant so i was curious,im from India btw [13:10] shadeslayer: are you a KDE user ? [13:10] AnAnt: KDE 4.3 FTW!!!! [13:10] AnAnt: im a fanboy :P [13:10] ok [13:10] AnAnt: what do you use? [13:10] anyone noticed that when opening a new tab in gnome-terminal, the PWD is / ? [13:10] shadeslayer: gnome [13:11] oh [13:11] shadeslayer: I noticed that you mentioned kmix, so I guessed that you use KDE [13:11] AnAnt: you can edit the profile to use whatever folder you mention [13:13] shadeslayer: how's that ? [13:13] AnAnt: right click the terminal [13:14] AnAnt: edit current profile [13:14] 'morning folks [13:14] BluesKaj: here too? you have karmic? [13:14] yup [13:14] BluesKaj: just migrated today :) === richardcavellafk is now known as richardcavell [13:15] ok good [13:15] shadeslayer: I mean, I can't find a relavant option in profile [13:15] AnAnt: Intial Directory : [13:16] gonna install jaunty on my laptop then wait for the karmic officail release . The hardware probs with intel etc should be solved by then I hope [13:16] BluesKaj: so youre downgrading ?? okies [13:17] nope, I'm on our desktop atm , but our laptop is gonna become a dual boot machine as well [13:17] my desktop actually ...wife has her own desktop [13:18] BluesKaj: ah..Karmic+Jaunty...cool [13:18] wife is srtictly Vista ...afraid of linux :) [13:19] its always been that way,women never want to get their hands dirty [13:19] well, it's her pc , she paid for it :) [13:19] lol [13:20] karmic is quite stable except for a few plasma glitches now and then , but it recovers quickly [13:21] plasma ftw [13:21] Another day, another 80 megs of updates.... X( [13:21]