[00:01] dhillon-v10: Are you a Kubuntu users? [00:02] dhillon-v10 not worth starting on it really until we know the features for 4.5 and trunk opens back up...otherwsie they will get placed somewhere and forgotten about [00:02] ScottK, dual boot, Ubuntu and Kubuntu but I am in the process of writing a lot of Kubuntu docs. so I was wondering if I could do that since nixternal is quite busy with other stuff [00:02] * nixternal goes back to family who I have been neglecting all day :) [00:02] nixternal, alright thanks :D [00:18] <_Groo_> guys im creating virtuoso 5.0.12 packages, should be out real soon now (TM) [00:19] <_Groo_> is compiling as we speak [00:25] <_Groo_> brb... [01:17] <_Groo_> virtuoso 5.0.12 is compiled and working now [01:22] <_Groo_> how do i make a diff? always have problems with those === m4v is now known as mkv [01:29] JontheEchidna: (from #debian-qt-kde): [19:20:11] ScottK: feel free to offer jonathan thomas to comaintain (and have commit access) to packaging of shared-d-ontos [01:30] JontheEchidna: I think it'd be good if you took them up on it. [01:30] <_Groo_> hey ScottK just finished the virtuoso 5.0.12 package and tested it, is working just fine with nepomuk [01:30] Good to hear. [01:31] <_Groo_> ScottK: i just need to find a good diff/patch tutorial [01:31] <_Groo_> better yet, what procedure do you guys do to make a patch for a package? [01:33] _Groo_: Most of the KDE packages use quilt, so have a look at http://pkg-perl.alioth.debian.org/howto/quilt.html [01:34] <_Groo_> ScottK: ok thanks [01:37] <_Groo_> ScottK: are you guys interested in my virtuoso 5.0.12 package till 6.0.1 is out? that way mroe ppl could test beta1,2 while debian guys wait for 6.0.1 [01:45] qt4-x11 built on ia64, so only power pc left. [02:26] ScottK: nifty [02:26] probably means I should idle there ;-) [02:30] Yep [02:50] Just filed my first bug (with patch) with Qt upstream (for the ia64 build failure) [03:35] Lex79: Source format 3 is OK now, no need to convert back to version 1. [03:36] (looking at kdenlive) [03:36] GRRRR Why are people asking where is the switch for their laptop in #kubuntu ? [03:36] How are we supposed to know? [03:42] Oh dear... now they would like to know what command they can use to turn on the killswitch [03:52] ScottK: feel free to change that and get the credits, I have no kubuntu time in these days [03:58] Lex79: I dropped that change, but still left your name on the upload. Thanks for taking care of it. [03:59] ok thanks ScottK [04:26] Why would do-release-upgrade fail to find he next Kubuntu ? [04:30] DaskreeCh: What are you upgrading from/to? [04:31] Jaunty Karmic [04:31] Dunno. [04:31] ScottK: which should work but it's saying there is no upgrade [04:31] All updates done before you try? [04:35] Should be [04:35] The person says they did a dist-upgrade [04:36] update then upgrade? [04:37] ok lets try [04:38] Does the mirror in their sources.list have Karmic? [04:39] I was going to check that [08:52] hi :) [09:49] hiho [09:50] hiho [09:51] oh, double message is the best [09:53] morning [09:53] :) ehlo [09:54] =/ [09:54] urgh I hate those days before xmas [09:55] i even hate xmas [09:55] its a lie [09:55] we are doing nothing in school, yet we have to go there [09:55] that combines millions of peoples [09:55] o.o [09:56] I have no school, only exams at the university:( [09:56] oh well, ,I like xmas cause I can eat a lot of cheesecake :d [09:58] I guess I'll need to poke guys at #gluon to help me with blok [09:58] ulysses__: any progress on Smooth Tasks? [09:59] Nothing [09:59] I should learn:( [09:59] Where are you stuck? [10:00] ulysses__: Did you bother setting up pbuilder? [10:00] don't remember [10:00] 23th december I have an exam [10:02] oh well, learn then, you can't afford to fail, can you? [10:02] yeah [10:05] Quintasan|Szel: I read yesterday your interview :) [10:09] Riddell: do you know what is the status of my per-package upload application - did somebody inform DMB? [10:09] * Lure has a pending digikam upload, which I could also do alone if I get the rights [10:13] ulysses__: hehe :D [10:13] you're younger than me [10:13] * Quintasan|Szel is quite famous [10:13] and famous of course:) [10:14] I belive I'm one of the younes MOTUs or Members approved [10:14] youngest* [10:15] * ghostcube is old man [10:15] :D [10:15] and none of both [10:15] :D [10:15] I guess you can call this the effect of having computer at home ever since I was small, I remember breaking first mouse, insted of pressing the buttons I tried to lift them up and they broke xD [10:15] ghostcube: how old are you? [10:16] o.o 31 [10:16] lol you call this being old? [10:16] yeah if you see that some 12 year old guys can even code better than me [10:16] i would say iam old [10:16] :D [10:16] We bought our first computer when I was ~10 [10:16] i bought my first atari 1024 st [10:16] who said I can code? [10:16] i never was an amiga one [10:16] maybe basic things :P [10:17] Quintasan|Szel: nah was not meant this way just in generl [10:17] *a [10:17] We had an Intel 486, with ~16 MB RAM [10:17] oh i bought an 286 in 1994 for 2500 bugts [10:17] ;( [10:17] now even my handy can do more [10:17] I remember I had and Intel Pentium 100 MHz, Total Annihilation was pretty awesome game [10:18] an* [10:18] yeah i bought me an pentium to play half life [10:18] o.O [10:18] best game ever [10:19] Half-Life made me afraid of going to sleep for a while :D [10:19] I like RTS games, Age of Empires, Cossacks [10:20] anyone remembers Z from The Bitmap Brothers? [10:20] no [10:21] :< [10:21] I used to play that instead of lerning :P [10:21] learning* [10:24] oh the teacher came. 20 minutes after the bell rang [10:24] :) [10:25] hmm i played return to castle wolfenstein to the extreme [10:25] :D [10:26] no that I relly care, few lessons left and I'm free [10:26] I'm just like a ghost wandering through the classes [10:26] nnone gives a damn bout lessons right before xmas [10:27] noone* [10:27] :D [10:27] anyone here got a damn tomtom navigation system [10:27] o.o [10:28] it's just like now, techer's here, she checked attendance and we are doing anything but the lesson [10:28] are u on univerity [10:28] ?? [10:28] s [10:29] high school [10:29] i got my diploma at saturdy [10:29] I want to go to un [10:29] oh cool [10:29] uni* [10:29] yeah [10:29] like lol, on IT we learn Excel [10:29] srsly WTF [10:29] hehe i have seen this before [10:29] :D [10:29] excel is cool [10:29] for my job [10:33] WHo cares bout excel, OO.o Calc ftw :P [10:34] I'm thinking about writing a short novel in english [10:34] You have quite nice sounding words [10:35] i cant use OO here [10:35] i must use windows and office [10:35] @_@ [10:35] the Taxation programms we run here are only running on windows [10:35] in combination with office [10:36] using only windows - worst nightmare [10:36] its all .NET [10:36] it's just like.. breathing mercury :P [10:36] At the university we have both Windows XP and Ubuntu 9.04 [10:37] the servers running also Ubuntu 9.04 [10:37] the problem is no one cares enough to port the software to linux [10:37] at univerity [10:37] i run the asta servers with ubuntu 9.04 server [10:37] but here at work no chance [10:37] windows 2003 server [10:37] i have no idea how to config it [10:37] o.o [10:38] i made once a click to show settings of active directory [10:38] after this it wont boot [10:38] so i never touched again [10:38] :D [10:38] it might be just me but I think using IIS is just like commiting suicide :P [10:38] lol :D [10:38] >Windows [10:38] :/ [10:38] :D [10:38] :P [10:39] I'm waiting for Linuix binary for Unreal Tournament 3. then I will get rid of windows [10:39] There are some Windows and Solaris server also here, at the computer professorship [10:39] Solaris? [10:39] never used it [10:40] h864777@home.cab:~$ uname -a [10:40] SunOS rozi 5.9 Generic_122300-03 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Fire-280R [10:40] its POSIX compatible P? [10:41] I don't know, we never use it [10:41] isnt there linux binary for UT3 [10:41] o.o [10:42] beats me, last time I checked there wasnt [10:46] no there isnt one [10:46] seems they forgoten it or cant do it lol === smarter__ is now known as smarter [13:07] Quintasan|Szel: You are definitely among the youngest MOTU, but I know of a coupld that got MOTU evenyounger. [13:07] ghostcube: Give it 15 years and you'll be as old as I am. You are not old. [13:08] Riddell: Did you see the ping I gave you on #ubuntu-devel yesterday? [13:09] ScottK: don't think so [13:10] Riddell: OK. Let me get the conversation and pastebin it for you. [13:11] Riddell: http://pastebin.com/d7925b8a0 [13:11] It seems like we're close to a fix for powerpc, but it needs a little integration work. [13:13] ah yes, the joy of qmake [13:13] ScottK: do we know what his workaround is? [13:13] So if we could just find someone who knew a bit about that ..... [13:14] Getting [13:17] Riddell: http://pastebin.com/f3fb11da5 [13:18] Riddell: debian/patches/92_powerpc_no_gc_sections.diff in the current package. [13:22] ScottK: hmm yeah but 31 is old :) ofcourse yours is a bit more but after you get the 3 before the rest it sux a bit [13:22] :D [13:24] who else is 31? [13:24] me [13:24] :D [13:25] oh, cheers :-) [13:25] :) [13:25] ghostcube: Didn't you hear? 40 is the new 30. You're fine. [13:26] 78 the best build date ever [13:26] ScottK: oh havent known this [13:26] then its cool :D [13:27] evilFunkyFinger wth why is anybody using such an nick :D [13:27] ghostcube: he ain't a '78... :-) [13:27] hahaha [13:30] * Riddell puts some tinsel on wstephenson [13:30] ho ho ho [13:30] * wstephenson passes round the brandy and mince pies [13:30] very kind of you [13:30] * wstephenson hopes for a decent bottle of whisky this christmas as he's still drinking the jamesons he received last year [13:31] bah, they don't even know how to spell whisky [13:31] but i wanted to ask, what's the quickest way to get a dev setup going? there is a KNM bug only kubuntu users seem to get that i want to fix. [13:31] wstephenson: you have a kubuntu install? [13:32] yep [13:32] sudo apt-get build-dep knetworkmanager [13:32] on a real machine for once [13:33] Riddell: no source package found - and i thought you had it named plasmoid-something...? [13:33] do i need to register a source repo too? [13:34] you would for that to work yes [13:35] and how do i do that? [13:35] if there's a noob kubuntu kde developer page somewhere, send me there... [13:36] sudo software-properties-kde tick source code at bottom of first tab, close, reload [13:37] Riddell: no poking yet, just a reminder... a few more fixes waiting in software-properties branch [13:39] Riddell: done that, still no source package named knetworkmanager? is plasmoid-knetworkmanager a generated package built from knetworkmanager the source package? [13:39] wstephenson: plasma-widget-networkmanagement [13:40] (I didn't pick the name) [13:40] if i was doing the same on suse, i'd rpm -qi `which knetworkmanager` to find out the source package name, then zypper source-install -d but my apt-fu is weak. [13:40] ScottK: works, thanks [13:40] dpkg -S 'which knetworkmanager' in apt-fu ;-) [13:41] I'm wrong, there is no knetworkmanager package [13:41] it's plasma-widget-networkmanagement indeed [13:41] is there a general kde or c++ development pattern i can install to get my usual hacker tools as well as the pure build deps? [13:42] sudo apt-get install build-essential devscripts kdelibs5-dev [13:43] for network manager the build depends are sudo apt-get install cdbs debhelper cmake pkg-kde-tools quilt libqt4-dev kdelibs5-dev kdebase-workspace-dev libknotificationitem-dev network-manager-dev libnm-util-dev quilt [13:43] yep, got those from the build-dep [13:43] Riddell: Except not libknotificationitem-dev [13:43] (at least not for lucid) [13:43] i want things like gdb and svn too. [13:43] I'm assuming wstephenson is looking at the version in karmic [13:44] Riddell: right, that's the one causing me 2-3 BRs a day [13:44] Probably a good assumption [13:44] wstephenson: sudo apt-get install qt-sdk kde-devel would bring in the meta packages with that sort of stuff [13:46] that looks good - thanks [13:48] finally, how do i find where "apt-get source plasma-widget-knetworkmanager" put the sources? [13:49] wstephenson: current directory [13:49] and it's plasma-widget-networkmanagement [13:51] yes. found it. === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying [13:56] whats the difference between Tiger woods and Santa... [13:57] santa only has 3 Ho's! [13:57] merry x-mas [13:57] :) [14:07] ScottK: kubuntu-desktop recommends kipi-plugins but I believe this package cannot be installed with new gwenview/digikam.. [14:08] yep cause it wants to remove them [14:08] i seen this last night [14:08] Something needs a rebuild then. [14:09] libkipi6 is going to be removed if you distupgrade and espacially choose gwenview [14:09] and kipi-plugins [14:09] and installed is going to be libkipi7 [14:10] ScottK: kipi-plugins: Depends: libkdcraw7 (>= 4:4.3.2) but it is not going to be installed [14:10] Depends: libkipi6 (>= 4:4.3.2) but it is not going to be installed [14:10] but these need to be libdcraw8 and libkipi7 [14:10] rgreening: ++ [14:10] :) [14:11] where is polkit-kde-1 housed and is is backported for karmic? can't install latest kde beta backport without it [14:12] That was supposed to be dropped for the backport. [14:13] ScottK: seems not [14:13] I'd propose fix the backport then. [14:14] :D [14:14] ScottK: If I have some time, I can have a look. Im pretty booke atm [14:14] booked even [14:15] Yet not to booked to play with a KDE beta install .... [14:15] ScottK: apt-get install vs building a package.. [14:16] no effort vs effort [14:16] :) [14:16] ScottK: anyway, it's kdebase-workspace right? Anything I need to change other thna remove the dep? [14:17] rgreening: I think it's kde4libs, but JontheEchidna is the expert. [14:17] ok [14:18] kde4libs needs the build-dependency back to libpolkit-qt-dev, and any binary packages need to depend on kdebase-workspace-bin rather than polkit-kde-1 [14:19] though I think kdebase-workspace-bin might be the only policykit users in KDE-proper at the moment [14:22] ok.. I'll have a look. my meetng got rebooked for later so I may have a few minutes to poke at this... [14:29] Is polkit-kde-1 actually correct? or should it be polkit-qt-1 [14:30] yeah, it's correct [14:31] We used to have policykit-kde which was moved into kdebase-workspace [14:31] polkit-kde-1 is policykit-kde for the PolicyKit-1 API [14:32] oh [14:32] heh [14:32] ya, a bit much to wrap one's head around :S [14:32] so, looks like kde4libs is ok... so I guess the dep issue is in workspace [14:32] luckily we will be able to drop the -1 endings soon and replace the normal packages [14:34] JontheEchidna: so, in workspace, replace polkit-kde-1 with nothing (it only appears once on kdebase-workspace-bin) [14:34] correct? [14:35] Correct [14:35] is anyone working on an tool to sync the channels from xchat quassel and so on ? if you move to another pc ? [14:35] i thinking about doing such a thing mabye [14:35] :D [14:36] ty JontheEchidna. [14:37] yw === wstephenson is now known as _wstephenson [14:55] JontheEchidna: polkit-kde-1 MIR is approved, so that's one blocker resolved. [14:56] policykit and k3b just need updating for polkit-1 [14:56] Do we have a backport of virtuoso yet for karmic that will work with nepomuk? [14:57] I wonder if K3b's been ported to KAuth yet... [14:57] back in a bit [14:58] rgreening: I don't think we have vituoso for lucid yet [15:07] yipieh my tor works again :D [15:14] * ScottK looks around for Lure to package Digikam 1.0 [15:14] ScottK: will do tonight [15:14] OK [15:14] ScottK: do you know where my per-packge upload right is right now? Did somebody inform DMB about kubuntu-dev decision? [15:15] Lure: IIRC, Riddell was going to do that. We'd have to hear from him. [15:15] ScottK: we got MIR approval for liblqr, so one diff with debian less for digikam [15:15] Nice. [15:15] ScottK: and opencv 2.0 with all build-depends have built sucessfully in my staging ppa [15:16] ScottK: so I plan to upload that one also soon [15:16] Lure: Will it replace opencv? [15:16] I have a pending merge of opencv and I'm wondering if I should bother. [15:18] ScottK, Lure: pitti says it needs approval from the DMB so I'll write them a sterntly worded e-mail [15:19] Riddell: That or let's just make him kubuntu-dev and tell them since we weren't allowed to give upload rights to part of kubuntu-dev, we gave all of it. [15:19] certainly an option [15:20] do we trust him not to get drunk one night and upload the fluffy bunny theme to kubuntu-default-settings? [15:21] I'd worry more about Hannah Montana, but I think it's OK. [15:21] apachelogger, JontheEchidna, Tonio_: Got a moment for an inpromtu kubuntu-dev meeting? [15:22] I can [15:22] Riddell: Three is a quorum. [15:23] I'm +1 if he restricts himself to digikam, kipi-plugins and kdegraphics (other stuff he can upload but with asking for review first) [15:23] +1 too [15:23] +1 [15:24] Lure: Do you agree to restrict your uploads (without review) to digikam, kipi-plugins and kdegraphics [15:24] ScottK: I am fine with that [15:25] let me set the powahs then [15:25] Congratulations. Welcome to kubuntu-dev [15:25] thanks! [15:25] will use my new powers wisely [15:25] "Luka Renko (lure) has been added as a member of this team." [15:25] ScottK: you did merge with testing (1.0 version)? [15:26] ScottK: my merge will be from unstable (2.0) [15:26] Riddell: thanks [15:26] Lure: I didn't touch it yet this cycle. [15:26] Riddell: will try new powers on digikam upload tonight [15:26] ScottK: then no need to bother [15:27] Lure: Thanks. I won't. [15:30] Riddell: I'll do the welcome email unless you've already done it. [15:30] ScottK: go ahead [15:33] Lure: Could I have a link to your per-package uploaders application? [15:34] ScottK: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukaRenko/DigikamKipiPluginsApplication [15:34] Thanks. [15:48] Announcement mail sent. [15:57] * rgreening needs to work on his app... [16:46] Riddell: Is the qmake problem with the powerpc patch something you can work on or do I need to see about hunting down someone to figure it out? [16:49] ScottK: oh sorry, I was looking fro thiago but he hasn't turned up [16:49] ScottK: but we could just make the patch apply only on powerpc [16:50] Riddell: No problem. It isn't a rush as we don't want a Qt upload while we're building KDE. [16:50] Riddell: That sounds good. How about we try that after beta 2 is done? [16:50] ok === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [17:06] ScottK: now you just need to blog about that we-cannot-give-per-package-upload-privileges ;) [17:07] apachelogger: Considering who I sent the congratulations mail to, I think the target audience has been notified. [17:08] well, the more ranting, the more fuzz, the more annoyance ;) [17:08] Let's see how this works first. [17:09] k [17:09] * ScottK used up his quota for a while on ranting and annoyance on the Ayatana stuff in Karmic. [17:09] allrighty [17:10] Riddell: can we please block mails with subjects containing "Digest, Vol" as well as all HTML-only mail? [17:11] apachelogger: I think at least one of those needs a mailman patch. Fortunately it's written in Python so you can hack on it. [17:11] I am quite sure you can filter on subject [17:11] Yes, but silently discarding is evil. You'd need to give a useful error message. [17:12] * apachelogger doesnt find it any eviler than subjects that are as useful as "fluffy bunny subject" [17:57] \o [17:58] o/ [17:58] I see we are almost good to go with Beta 2 :) [17:59] I'm almost done uploading it to lucid [18:00] good, I'm going to poke gluon upstream in a second, I want to compile all apps they provide in git, would be nice to have few apps for users to test and/or report bugs :) [18:25] apachelogger: though you may be a PITA I don't see you as one [18:26] \o/ KDE 4.4 b2 is out [18:35] * apachelogger is wondering if b1 is really left without any sound === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [18:37] well I can't get anything Phonon working [18:37] if it's a FOSS data file then it can't find the file specified if it's not a FOSS data file then it can't find the codecs for that file [18:38] * skreech shrugs and uses mplayer in the meantime [18:38] jjesse: Did you figure out amarok btw? [18:38] skreech: i haven't looked at it [18:38] been busy w/ work :) [18:39] :-) [18:39] skreech: just have been told the same [18:39] apachelogger: I knew that Phonon was screwed pre b1 packages dropping so not surprised [18:40] Anything with Phonon segfaulted before that so having them open was a step forward. Now they can't play anything hopefully b2 they can [18:40] then b3 they will spout kittens from the speakers [18:40] should be pretty easy right? [18:46] jjesse: once you know where it is. It's in a pretty annoying place if you don't know it [18:46] Not sure why amarok handles it like that [18:48] seems like a pretty common use case that a lot of people would use so it should be easy to do [18:49] Well it's not obviously easy === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [18:58] wtf, I have sound, b1 here [19:00] really, KDE junior jobs dont look like junior [19:07] Quintasan: urly? [19:07] URLy that is :P [19:08] apachelogger: whole list, JJ: implement XXX kioslave [19:09] oh funs [19:09] * apachelogger notest that kioslaving can be a JJ [19:09] notes even [19:09] srsly? [19:09] yes [19:09] depends on the slave of course [19:09] looks like I'm lower than a total noob in coding :DD [19:10] but mosly it is just implementing some silly named convenience class [19:11] can someone do something about the audio thread? [19:11] more like a topic for kubuntu-users [19:11] hence the -users :P [19:11] like in "using the product" [19:11] -devel as in "developing the product" [19:12] since we do not develop "audio not working" I suppose it belongs to using a system where audio is not working :P [19:12] I would really like to troll the devel of amarok runner [19:12] in fact some self-help group might be suited ... "how to live with a system without audio" :D :D :D [19:12] * JontheEchidna hints that it would be a really good idea to SRU the fix for bug 433486 [19:13] Launchpad bug 433486 in kde4libs "plasma-desktop crashes when widget style is non-oxgyen [QGraphicsGridLayout::sizeHint()]" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/433486 [19:13] to nobody in particular, but feel free to jump in ;-) [19:13] ofc the KDE 4.4 searches only trough collection and the other one through the playlist and both fail @_@ [19:13] Quintasan: go SRU the SRUworthy bug [19:13] * Quintasan though he ain't minion anymore [19:13] ;P [19:14] * apachelogger looks at launchpad [19:14] oh my, I am still superior :P [19:14] FFFFUUUUU- [19:14] If less active [19:14]