[00:01] robert_ancell and htorque that seemed to make a huge diff [00:01] http://paste.ubuntu.com/694113/ u-g log [00:01] I still had no mouse movement at the beginning...but that was for a second or two (which I think was X catching up) [00:09] This is weird: bug 855171 [00:09] Launchpad bug 855171 in ca-certificates "libnss3.so went missing after upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/855171 [00:09] whoops, wrong channel [00:36] jasoncwarner_, excellent, thanks for confirming that [01:33] hmm [01:35] would adding GNOME to NotShowIn cover just the Gnome Shell cases, or also break fallback and others? :) [01:38] GNOME is Shell & Fallback [01:41] jbicha: yeah, that's the problem probably ;) [01:41] going to test this now [01:42] like gnome-datetime-panel.desktop shows in Fallback g-c-c but it's OnlyShowIn=Gnome; [01:43] echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP [01:45] oh, I know about all of this, just "saying out loud" that I'm pretty much screwed either way [01:46] jbicha: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/852961 :) [01:46] Ubuntu bug 852961 in network-manager-applet "nm-applet is wrongly started with Gnome Shell" [Undecided,New] [01:47] I can't add it to NotShowIn without breaking something, and if I don't add it, something's still going to be broken [01:47] but I think Shell > fallback; so I'll add it. [01:48] but I don't have nm-applet in my Shell session, just Fallback or Unity [01:48] cyphermox: shell isn't shipped by default by a derivative... [01:48] really? [01:48] also, really? [01:48] gah [01:48] stgraber: so edubuntu ships fallback? [01:48] cyphermox: fallback is an option at install time in edubuntu [01:48] mkay [01:48] my notifications area is blank on new start & I have the normal Shell network menu [01:49] jbicha: that's weird [01:49] why would this bug be open then? [01:49] perhaps he's using an old shell version [01:49] maybe [01:50] alright, thanks for clearing that up [01:55] oh wait, he sees notifications in both shell style & an uglier style when the network disconnects for instance [01:55] I can duplicate that [02:00] oh [02:00] well then yeah, this is because nm-applet is getting started [02:00] fixing this is going to be painful, because we're obviously limited by what's being run [02:00] and shell / fallback sharing the same desktop value doesn't help [02:01] I think gnome-shell uses nm-applet, just with a different frontend [02:01] jbicha: no [02:01] it uses its own frontend in js [02:01] also the latest gnome-shell (not in the archives yet) doesn't show network notifications for connections/disconnections [02:01] mkay [02:01] so it's at least visually fixed with that [02:02] urgh [02:02] is that going to be shipped? [02:02] just waiting for GNOME to get around to releasing the new gjs which gnome-shell silently depends on [02:03] * cyphermox cries [02:03] I just won't touch this and sleep on the issue [02:03] they just assume that you're going to be using the latest gjs & mutter & don't bother updating the configure.ac to reflect that [02:20] cyphermox: i thought i remembered dcbw saying that nm-applet didn't actually provide ui with shell these days [02:21] broder that's what I remember too [02:21] nm-applet shouldn't be running in shell, that's most likely the problem because it currently gets started in /etc/xdg/autostart [02:21] cyphermox: no, no - i thought he said it runs but only does...something minor and invisible [02:22] broder: maybe [02:23] AIUI it's just used for the wireless/mobile dialogs [02:23] something that might be fixed by the new n-m-applet package with libnm-gtk split out [02:23] cyphermox: http://paste.ubuntu.com/694185/ - from about a week ago [02:24] right [02:24] I'll need to setup something with gnome-shell and mess around with it to see [02:24] oh, it sounds like maybe the only problem is notifications? [02:25] broder: yes I believe so [02:26] sounds like it now [02:26] jbicha: I just updated the bug, could you try figuring out what sends the notifcation that looks wrong? [02:27] or if they have a different text, just a screenshot of each may be enough :) [02:27] we don't patch how nm-applet does its notifications - how would this not be broken anywhere that's using gnome-shell? [02:28] I expect that Fedora would have the same problem [02:29] err...wait, i was looking at n-m, not nm-applet :) [02:30] broder: actually, I think it was lightly patched, but I don't think it would affect this [02:30] it might be caused by differences in the notification themes, I've seen something getting broken in notifications if I install xubuntu-desktop on top of ubuntu-desktop, notifications start looking different, getting buttons, etc. [02:31] is gnome-shell a notification daemon? i guess...if notify-osd grabbed the dbus name, but gnome-shell short-circuited notifications internally to keep them from hitting dbus... [02:32] when I try to connect to a random encrypted wifi network, I get 2 popups to enter the password, one from gs, one from nm-applet [02:33] yuck [02:33] not sure if the second one is just because I canceled the first one though [02:33] dcbw said that should happen around gnome 3.2 or so - is that what we're at at this point? [02:33] pretty much [02:34] "should" happen? [02:34] we're on 3.1.90 and current is 3.1.92 though [02:35] well...gnome-shell definitely looks like it ships a secret agent [02:36] (look at src/shell-network-agent.{h,c} and js/ui/networkAgent.js) [02:37] cyphermox: getting screenshots is a bit tricky since this is my web connection :) [02:37] I'm going to reboot into Fedora [02:37] ok [02:37] broder: jbicha: I really should be going to bed [02:38] ok, it's not a big issue anyway [02:38] jbicha: does gnome-shell set any useful environment variables so we could patch nm-applet to check those and exit immediately if they're set? [02:38] you want to ping me if you find something ? :) [02:38] you guys seem to be getting more progress than I do [02:38] cyphermox: it looks to me like nm-applet just shouldn't be running under gnome-shell anymore [02:39] I think you could sniff dbus to check if you're in gshell or not [02:40] broder: I kind of got that feeling but I think you still need it for some dialogs at least [02:41] cyphermox: does nm-applet (not nm-connection-editor) do anything besides secret prompts? [02:41] broder: that no, I don't think so [02:42] cyphermox: then just have nm-applet exit(0) if it's running under gnome-shell...however you determine that [02:42] not sure how the more complex wifi connections are done [02:43] well, i've got an oneiric machine, and infrastructure for 802.1x and wpa enterprise , so i can try to do some experimentation at some point [02:44] but from my quick skim of the gnome-shell code, i see code for 802.1x, PPPoE, and modem connections [02:44] only thing i don't see offhand is vpn [02:45] I'll look again in the morning === eeejay is now known as eeejay_is_afk [02:50] Fedora 16 doesn't show notifications for nm-applet so they only have the enter wifi password double dialog part of the bug [02:59] ok [03:00] maybe it's caused by one of those old patches we carry and I keep having to fix [03:02] well I think we want connection notifications in Unity though [03:09] yeah [03:11] jbicha: which still means there is no easy fix, I'll setup gnome-shell tomorrow on my system and try to make sense of what sends what [08:03] mvo: morning - I need you help on some popcon related stuff [08:03] mvo: how is the #stars computed from the popcon rating? [08:04] digging through the S-C code only confused me more :-) [08:04] my guess is that we normalize the score with the "max_popcon_desktop" metadata from the xapian index and multiply by 5... but I can't find that calculation anywhere [08:06] also, I am not sure whether that makes sense at all :-) [08:07] hey [08:08] bonjour seb128 [08:08] hey pitti, how are you? [08:09] seb128: furiously debugging ubiquity problems :) [08:09] quite well, thanks [08:09] just really concerned about the release time now [08:09] pitti, "fun" ;-) [08:09] is it worth testing the installer? [08:09] or is it "known buggy"? [08:09] it crashes if you are offline [08:10] should work fine, just look a bit ugly if you are online and don't use the live session [08:10] so, still worth testing if you want to [08:10] kamstrup: *pfff* ;) we don't use the popcon for the stars, we use the ratings data [08:10] kamstrup: what is the use-case, do you want to show it in unity? [08:10] mvo: lol, that explains my inability to find it :-D [08:10] pitti, let's see, I usually use the 10v as a test box and the wifi doesn't work out of the box [08:11] mvo: the dash allows you to filter by the S-C rating [08:11] mvo: so it's not in the xapian index? [08:11] seb128: right, it'd fail there, unless you have an ethernet cable plugged in [08:11] I did a test install on that one yesterday, with success [08:12] mvo: hit super-a and unfold the "Filter results" expander, and you'll see what I mean [08:12] kamstrup: no, because its so dynamic. we store it currently in a extra file [08:13] kamstrup: but that sounds like that needs some re-thinking [08:13] mvo: a fudge... [08:13] mvo: yeah, probably means we need to pull that feature from the dash... [08:13] oh, everyone back :) [08:13] kamstrup: aha, I was totally unaware of this feature in the dash [08:13] there were only 20 people or so when I woke up, I guess freenode had problems? [08:14] mvo: yeah, it's not exactly a prominent place, hidden away inside the expander [08:14] rodrigo_: yes, it did; should be fixed now, though [08:15] kamstrup: so we currently use a xapian.KeyMaker and throw that as the sorter to the db [08:15] robert_ancell, hey [08:15] robert_ancell, what are you still doing online? ;-) [08:15] seb128, hey, just logged on to bug you... [08:15] mvo: ah, so a KeyMaker that pulls the ratings from the file in order to generate the collation key? [08:15] robert_ancell, oh great, it has been a while I didn't catch you (part due to the fact I was on holidays ;-) [08:15] kamstrup: and the review stats (star rating plus wilson-score based "score" of the ratings) are stored in a pythin pickle [08:15] kamstrup: yeah [08:15] robert_ancell, what's up? [08:16] seb128, can you try / find victims to try lightdm + unity-greeter master today and check they're good? I've been using them today, and I think everything's ok, but being this close to release a second opinion would be good [08:16] mvo: hehe, a pickle, that puts me in a pickle (wow, worst pun ever) [08:16] kamstrup: now of course we can make this a c++ friendlier format for you, thats easy [08:16] kamstrup: lol, indeed [08:16] robert_ancell, I'm happy to test those [08:16] robert_ancell, did you see the translation bug I commented on? [08:16] kamstrup: if this software stuff does not work out, just do standup commedy ;) [08:17] seb128, there's one remaining bug 845549 which I had a solution for but a commenter says it should be done better with the alternatives. So could you follow up on those changes then undo mine if they're better [08:17] Launchpad bug 845549 in lightdm "Do not ship /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/845549 [08:17] mvo: out only option is prettymuch json I guess... but I don'tknow if that kills performance... I gues it'll be a very large file [08:17] robert_ancell, ok [08:18] kamstrup: would a libdb format work for you too? [08:18] seb128, yes, I fixed that. it was gettext not being initialized correctly [08:18] robert_ancell, great [08:18] mvo: libdb? you mean bdb, or? [08:18] robert_ancell, ok, I will test both trunks, review open bugs and drop you an email at the end of my day [08:18] seb128, there will still be bugs with PAM messages not being localized, but they're more unlikely to occur [08:18] kamstrup: yeah [08:19] seb128, thanks! [08:19] robert_ancell, yw, great job btw, lightdm really works great for me ;-) [08:19] mvo: do we ship a bdb lib on the cd? [08:19] well the current version does, let's see trunk :p [08:19] seb128, :) [08:20] seb128, There's still more bugs cropping up, but I think we're on top of the most important ones. [08:20] kamstrup: need to check, I can also play a bit with json. alternatively I could provide you a dbus service [08:20] kamstrup: but that does not is speedy enough I guess [08:20] mvo: hmm, we can't depend on a running s-c [08:20] robert_ancell, yeah, I've not seen a lot of "important to fix for oneiric" ones, out of the ones assigned to you [08:21] robert_ancell, I will review the bugs today though just to be sure [08:21] mvo: json is easy, but scares me because I've seen how slow it is in gwibber [08:21] kamstrup: it would be something extra, not part of main s-c, but its probably a bad idea even then [08:21] kamstrup: yeah, exactly [08:21] mvo: it takes >1s 100% CPU churn to parse ~1k messages in gwibber [08:21] kamstrup: s-c is already pretty slow to startup, I don't want to make it worse :/ [08:21] granted, that's some complex json, but still [08:22] mvo: lol, right :-) [08:22] seb128, thanks. there will be some things that will be annoying, but I guess we can put in the release notes "use gdm if this particular feature is important" (assuming it works in GDM) [08:22] mvo: a mmap()able db format should make it faster than a pickle for S-C as well I guess [08:23] kamstrup: let me check the CD to see if dbm might work, we just need to be careful with the layout so that there are no interoperatable issue. but I think that should be ok as the data is really just a mapping of str -> (int, int, int) [08:23] mvo: yeah, sounds fit for a keystore [08:24] robert_ancell, right [08:24] kamstrup: I think for next cycle we need to talk some more and we need to provide you proper APIs [08:26] mvo: I have libdb5.1 providing /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libdb-5.1.so here... i don't know if that's on the cd... [08:26] but i guess so [08:28] jasoncwarner_, so bug 828112 is fixed? Using packages from the standard repos? [08:28] Launchpad bug 828112 in unity-greeter "Password field feedback slow at times" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/828112 [08:28] kamstrup: both 4.8 and 5.1 are installed for me on the live-cd so we should be fine [08:29] robert_ancell, the updates I mentioned there are not in the standard repo but in the ubuntu-desktop ppa [08:29] seb128, is there a bug I can merge this with? [08:30] robert_ancell: I had to manually create an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file to stop the HDMI probe [08:32] robert_ancell: right, we need a wrapper around gnome-session for the lightdm guest account that we can hook the AA profile to [08:32] pitti, yeah, annoying! [08:32] robert_ancell: but that can be a simple two-liner (she-bang and exec gnome-session "$@"), as in gdm [08:33] jjardon: good morning [08:33] jjardon: out of interest, what's the advantage of i-power talking to gnome-settings-daemon instead of upower directly? [08:33] pitti, right, but there's no concept of sticking one in in lightdm, so we need to work out the right place to do it [08:34] mvo: ok, cool. I've no idea, but I assume we should use 5.1... [08:37] jasoncwarner_, bug #855350 is the bug dholbach opened about the output probbing issue [08:37] Launchpad bug 855350 in xorg "long reprobes slow down boot/login" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/855350 [08:38] jasoncwarner_, if you want to comment on it [08:42] pitti: gnome-settings-daemon parse all the devices info for me, so I get a list of available devices with all their info only with a dbus call [08:42] jjardon: that makes it slightly dependent on GNOME, though? [08:43] jjardon: I just noticed because I'm currently debugging bug 854717, and it's indicator-power which dbus-launches g-s-d [08:43] Launchpad bug 854717 in ubiquity "Broken panel icons and dialog style during ubiquity-dm and OEM install/final user configuration" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854717 [08:43] (a broken g-s-d) [08:43] jjardon: that's not directly i-power's fault, of course, but it made me wonder why it uses g-s-d [08:44] RAOF, Sarvatt - is the eDP slowness likely to affect changing the screen brightness via xrandr? [08:44] i noticed this morning that the new kernel fixes a huge lag i was also seeing when adjusting the brightnes [08:44] s [08:45] unless that's just my imagination ;) === chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson [08:45] chrisccoulson_: if xrandr --verbose contains a "BACKLIGHT", then we are using xrandr calls for the brightness keys, yes [08:45] the old gnome-power-manager had a fallback to poke the values into the ACPI files in /proc/, but I guess that's gone these days [08:46] we now rely on the XBACKLIGHT extension, which I believe goes through XRandR [08:46] (I have no idea where this ends up at the kernel level, though) [08:46] pitti - oh, no BACKLIGHT on my machine here :/ [08:46] pitti: well, gsd is a core part of GNOME, I really do not think that you can run a Unity session without it. Also, I'd have to duplicate a lot of code that Its already in gsd, so I chooosed to use gsd directly [08:46] jjardon: I mean for XFCE and the like [08:47] jjardon: I was just wondering if g-s-d's power module provides any functionality which upower doesn't, or whether it just offers a more convenient API [08:47] pitti: XFCE has is own power indicator [08:47] because if g-s-d is adding functionality, I'd rather move that down to upower [08:49] seb128 and didrocks, can I reschedule our talks tonight? have a conflicting music lens discussion at the same time... [08:49] jasoncwarner_: sure [08:49] jasoncwarner_, "no" ;-) [08:51] pitti: gsd uses upower to get all the info about power devices. It parses it and you get all the info with a dbus call. So, yes, It's a much more convenience api and you save a lot of code [08:53] jjardon: fun, I thought it would be a lot more convenient to use e. g. up_client_get_devices() and teh libupower-glib API than fiddling with dbus calls yourself [08:53] jjardon: so if libupower-glib sohuld have an API that you would like to have and is missing, I'm still interested in hearing about it; we can just add it [08:53] hmmm...is mumble not working for anyone else right now? setting up on my recent reinstall and it hangs configuring it...have to force quit it... [08:54] jasoncwarner_: WFM [08:54] jasoncwarner_, works here [08:55] kamstrup: proof of concept lp:~mvo/software-center/review-stats-as-dbm-for-unity-with-best-regards [08:55] jjardon: we just noticed that we can't use indicator-power in ubiquity-dm for that reason (see my last comment on bug 854717) [08:55] Launchpad bug 854717 in ubiquity "Broken panel icons and dialog style during ubiquity-dm and OEM install/final user configuration" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854717 [08:55] pitti: sure. have to go now, I'll follow the discussion later ;) [08:55] kamstrup: exports (iii) ratings_average, ratings_total, dampended_rating, the last one is what you want to use as the key, its calculated using a wilson score on the ratings spread [08:56] kamstrup: well, I guess not necssarily, depends on your UI needs, but that is what we use [08:58] kamstrup: I guess it would be nice to export it to a tool for you too so that you can trigger updates on the stats yourself instead of relying on s-c doing it [09:00] mvo: I don't think generally the dash should cause changes to local data [09:00] mvo: it's for lookups and access [09:01] 'k [09:01] mvo: usage logging hapens indirectly via zeitgeist then [09:01] kamstrup: if you need the review spread (10 x 1 star, 4 x 2 stars) etc, just let me know, that can be added as well [09:02] mvo: ok - not for O definitely [09:02] kamstrup: and we might need a bugreport if that should make it into the archive for reference for the release team, uploads are hand-approved currently [09:03] mvo: ok... [09:03] mvo: what format do you want to use for the payload? [09:03] mvo: A GVariant "(iii)" would be extraordinarily handy for me :-) [09:04] dunno how easy they are to serialize in Python though... lemme see [09:05] kamstrup: I already use python struct [09:06] kamstrup: so you should be able to just use something like struct { int , int, int } in your c(++) code [09:06] mvo: oh? you sure? [09:07] kamstrup: well, that is what the python struct module is all about, I haven't written a test C client for this yet, but it should just work(tm) [09:08] kamstrup: let me quickly verify this [09:13] pitti, or someone else, when is the new pygobject supposed to enter the archives? [09:14] davidcalle: 3.0.0? after b2 [09:15] pitti, thanks, I'm worried about it. Looks like it makes python lenses segfault. [09:15] seems like a bug for kamstrup ;-) [09:16] davidcalle: that's why I didn't push it into b2 yet; I tested it with apport, jockey, software-center etc., but not with everything yet; I did notice a regression in gtimelog, but I got that fixed now [09:16] davidcalle: you can test it from the PPA, maybe you can get a stack trace and file a bug? [09:17] pitti, I'm on the PPA. I will file a bug, thanks. === ember` is now known as ember [09:27] davidcalle: you have the ppa url, I can debug the crasher [09:28] kamstrup: add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ppa [09:28] pitti: thanks [09:28] kamstrup: you'll also get a faster startup from that, for bonus :) [09:30] jasoncwarner_: want to skip our 1-on-1, too? [09:30] kamstrup, thanks :) Was learning how to get stack traces. [09:31] * didrocks reboots [09:35] pitti: I'm good for a bit if you have a couple of minutes...want to catch up on a couple quick things... [09:36] i got mumble working as well (took a reboot) [09:39] waow, that was… weird [09:39] libnss3 package installed, but no /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libnss3.so [09:40] network-manager and nm-applet didn't appreciate :) [09:41] didrocks: see topic in #ubuntu-devel [09:41] geser: argh, ok… thanks for the pointer [09:45] pitti, hi. If an application wants to discourage you from logging out or shutting down while it finishes a task (e.g. burning a CD, defragmenting a disk, installing a package), what's the appropriate way to do that? Is it a ConsoleKit API? (I tried reading the CK docs but didn't understand them) [09:45] mpt - gnome-session [09:45] that has an inhibit API [09:46] (for logging out, anyway) [09:46] chrisccoulson, ah, ? [09:46] didrocks, mhr [09:46] for shutting down, i'm not sure if there is an inhibit API [09:46] didrocks, mhr3 and cyphermox got that bug as well this week [09:47] didrocks, cyphermox tried to figure why the file had been cleaned, not sure they figured it though [09:47] yeah, seems ca-certificates being a little bit more too drastic in his pick :) [09:47] davidcalle: don't stop then :-) [09:47] seb128: what geser told, topic of #ubuntu-devel [09:47] ok [09:47] davidcalle: did you have a bug report? [09:47] ca-certificates eats system libraries, DO NOT UPDATE (bug #855171) [09:47] Launchpad bug 855171 in nss "libnss3.so went missing after upgrade" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/855171 [09:47] ;-) [09:47] I got lucky it didn't eat mine [09:48] indeed, well, I just lost 3 minutes… [09:48] fortunatly, I had it still in cache and --reinstall worked [09:48] kamstrup, I'm filing one in a few minutes. [09:48] otherwise, I would have to hunt for an usb key, and that would have took more time :) [09:49] thanks chrisccoulson [09:51] stupid tb, stop marking the selected message as read when entering a mailbox! ;-) [09:52] kamstrup, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/855402 [09:52] Ubuntu bug 855402 in unity "Python lenses segfault with pygobject3" [Undecided,New] [09:53] davidcalle: tanks [09:53] thanks [09:53] seb128: +1 [10:04] chrisccoulson, your g-s-d package is indeed much quicker [10:05] chrisccoulson, I was looking though at making those patches upstreamable, and I think it would be better, for the share-the-gnome-rr-screen one, to have some code in gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-settings-screen.[ch] or something [10:05] rodrigo_, yeah, i planned to do it that way at some point [10:05] that just returns a shared instance of GnomeRRScreen, instead of using the property on the GdkScreen [10:05] chrisccoulson, ok, cool [10:05] yeah, that would probably be better actually [10:05] chrisccoulson, I can do it if you want [10:06] rodrigo_, sure, feel free :) [10:06] i'll push the current branch to bzr in a moment [10:06] about the media keys one, not 100% sure, so better to file a bug for hadess to review it [10:06] rodrigo_, did you see my notes on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/11.10/BootSpeedAnalysis ? [10:07] chrisccoulson, no, looking [10:08] chrisccoulson, yes, we can have the patches as they are for oneiric, I'll prepare the patch for git master [10:08] thanks :) [10:09] chrisccoulson: firefox sometimes opens tabs on a wrong window here, as if the focus is not on the window where I want it to be. known issue or not? [10:10] tjaalton, no, i've not seen that before. is this using compiz? [10:10] actually, i'm not sure if that would matter [10:10] chrisccoulson: yes, and happens only with fullscreen windows, it seems [10:10] how are you opening the new tab? [10:10] ctrl-t [10:11] that should open in the window that gets the event :/ [10:11] well, all the kbd shortcuts end up in the wrong window, so ctrl-w might close tabs behind my back :) [10:11] i've seen focus issues with compiz like this ;) [10:12] eg, bug 838625 [10:12] chrisccoulson: speaking of which, did you upgrade using the ppa? [10:12] Launchpad bug 838625 in compiz "Unpredictable focusing after switching viewports with the keyboard" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/838625 [10:12] didrocks, yeah. i didn't see any issues afterwards [10:12] great :-) [10:14] chrisccoulson: oh, if it's related to the stacking bug then I'll just wait for the updates [10:14] tjaalton: you can try the ubuntu-desktop ppa [10:14] happens with fullscreen windows that are on separate viewports, one on top of the other [10:14] didrocks: ppa:ubuntu-desktop? [10:14] tjaalton: ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ppa indeed :) [10:15] didrocks: thanks, adding [10:15] tjaalton: keep us in touch :) [10:15] i should try the 3d session again to see if the stacking fixes fix the focus issues i was seeing too [10:16] chrisccoulson: oh, you didn't try it? wasn't the purpose of installing the ppa :-) [10:16] it's possible to fix the focus by going to another viewport with a non-fullscreen ffox window [10:16] didrocks, yeah, i didn't notice any stacking issues (like, mouse clicks going to the wrong windows and the dash appearing underneath everything else) [10:17] but i didn't use it for long enough to see if there were other focus issues. i wasn't sure if that was all related to the stacking bugs === vuntz_ is now known as vuntz [10:26] rodrigo_, i've pushed the gsd changes to bzr btw [10:27] remember also that there is a gnome-desktop change [10:27] chrisccoulson, ok [10:28] chrisccoulson, for the gnome-desktop change, I'll let you do the upstreaming :) [10:28] rodrigo_, sure, no problem [10:31] didrocks, can we drop your gwibber upload to the desktop ppa? it's the same version than oneiric and 2 weeks old [10:32] bah, tb [10:32] "Thunderbird is already running, but is not responding. To open a new window, you must first close the existing Thunderbird process, or restart your system." [10:33] seb128: yes [10:33] didrocks, thanks [10:33] yw === tkamppeter__ is now known as tkamppeter [10:44] rodrigo_, gnome bug 659689 [10:44] Gnome bug 659689 in libgnome-desktop "gnome_rr_config_apply_from_filename_with_time does an unnecessary XRR roundtrip if the config file doesn't exist" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=659689 [10:44] chrisccoulson, ok thanks === Pendulum_ is now known as Pendulum [11:02] pitti: after some research, I think the best solution here is wait until the gsd dbus service is ready and then use it from indicator-power, so we do not have conflicts. Working on a patch [11:05] jjardon: i. e. not activate it yourself? [11:06] jjardon: we have an alternative proposal for ubiquity to start g-s-d earlier, wait for it to appear on the bus, and then start its panel [11:06] but of course the two don't exclude each other :) [11:07] pitti: yeah. Use g_bus_watch_name() to start to use the service when It appears === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:13] gutted - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-14998964 [11:13] just think of all that wasted cheese [11:15] hum, cheese! ;-) [11:15] well, uk cheese, it's probably not real cheese ;-) [11:15] indeed, it's not cheese [11:16] I tried that in Ireland, "white sheddar" looks like "gruyère" [11:16] not at all the same on pasta :p [11:16] heh [11:18] chrisccoulson, will we get a stable tb before oneiric? [11:18] it's weird to be greeted by a "welcome to thunderbird beta" ;-) [11:19] seb128, yes ;) [11:19] great ;-) [11:52] pitti: just committed this patch. Maybe you can verify that It solves the problem for you? http://paste.ubuntu.com/694409/ [11:52] jjardon: you can link that to bug 854717, BTW [11:52] Launchpad bug 854717 in ubiquity "Broken panel icons and dialog style during ubiquity-dm and OEM install/final user configuration" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854717 [11:53] jjardon: nice! [11:53] jjardon: once it's built, I can try that with an older ubiquity version, that'll double-check [11:58] pitti: great :). Just added a comment to the bug pointing to the commit [12:13] lunch, bbl [12:20] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20110921.1/ up for testing [12:21] pitti, great [12:36] seb128, didrocks: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview#Ubuntu_Desktop seems current to me; can you think of anything which we introduced after b1 which ought to be described? [12:36] didrocks: oh, oneconf perhaps? [12:37] pitti: yeah, as syncing is now on, I can put a sentence about it [12:37] pitti, nothing I can think offhand but I will tell you if I figure one [12:37] nothing for unity [12:37] * pitti will review our meeting pages [12:38] didrocks: I'll add CJK support for the dash search [12:39] hm, we really need to fix versions.py to take the unapproved queue into account [12:39] pitti, i've updated the etherpad for the todo list, but yes [12:40] looking into it [12:40]