[00:19] arcetera why is dist-upgrade needed [00:19] ive seen it here http://www.noobslab.com/2015/05/upgradeinstall-kde-plasma-53-in-kubuntu.html [00:19] otherwise plasma fails to start [00:20] but when i did those commands dist-upgrade said nothing to be done [00:20] dist-upgrade is okay with removing packages [00:20] upgrade is not [00:21] it can also install new things if needed [00:21] for me update command updated then running dist-upgrade just said 0 pgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not ugpraded [00:22] huh [00:22] i needed dist-upgrade for me [00:22] but now i lost applet in settings about info [00:22] kwin was somehow gone...? [00:22] how do i find out if im actually using plasma 5.3 [00:22] i like the new thin titlebar icons tho [00:23] hmm i didnt notice anything different yet upgrading from plasma 5.2 [00:23] its mostly performance [00:23] thats even better [00:23] also new icons for things which were ugly before [00:23] like [00:23] kmail [00:23] im all for more performance, specially running it in VM [00:24] do you have "info" applet in settings now? [00:24] i swear i had it before [00:24] oh yeah [00:24] it's gone for me too [00:24] oh well [00:24] how can i find if im actually using plasma 5.3? [00:25] ok [00:25] open Kickoff and type "KMail" [00:25] kickoff being the start menu in kde [00:25] what icon does it use [00:25] oh thats called kickoff, i was wondering... [00:26] http://s9.postimg.org/c38qjxkm7/screenshot_4.png [00:27] you have 5.3 [00:27] 5.2 has a different icon [00:28] im slightly confused, what is KDE and what is Plasma now, KDE is clearly some K desktop environment, but i thought Plasma was also desktop environment [00:28] im sorry im such newb [00:29] KDE is no longer the "K Desktop Environment" [00:29] it's now just KDE [00:30] KDE encompasses all the KDE projects, including Plasma Workspaces, Frameworks, Applications, etc [00:35] ohhh i just figured out you can select icons by clicking in top left corner, there is barely visible red crosshair [00:35] i was like how do you work with files if single click opens files and folders [00:43] misterno sorry for the late reply, but plasma is the de [00:43] kde is ALL apps [00:43] Konversation, Amarok, KWin [00:43] etc [00:43] i see [00:43] desktop can be considered like one of apps [00:43] yeah [00:44] they switched it to Plasma rather than just KDE as of 4.0 as KDE has become much more than just a desktop [00:44] KDE is now more of an organization than a DE [00:44] and the full KDE Suite is KDE SC [00:49] arcetera is there anything you recommend installing from repositories? [00:49] vlc maybe [00:49] why not [00:49] which browser you use, firefox? [00:52] chromium [01:55] Actually I found something on superuser regarding my issue: http://superuser.com/questions/946206/kde-plasma-5-no-taskbar-and-cant-right-click-desktop [01:55] But I don't see a plasmashell app or command anywhere. [01:57] Actually, it seems like kde5 plasma5 files aren't fully loaded on my system. :/ [01:57] I am missing quite a bit of things in my home folder [02:00] did you do apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa [02:00] apt-get update [02:00] apt-get upgrade [02:01] that's for plasma 5.3 but it seems buggy and not stable [02:01] probably better to stick with 5.2 [02:03] Well, I am on plasma 5.2 and I am having all these issues. [02:03] I will try adding the ppa though, I am just using ubuntu-server's repos [02:06] i had no issues on 5.2 installed straight from iso, but when i added repositories and upgraded now i do get quite a few crashes of plasma [02:08] Well, I don't really have the option to install overtop of my Ubuntu Server installation [02:09] If I even try to start plasma shell, I get the following: $ sudo plasmashell / QXcbConnection: Could not connect to display [02:11] Well, I did make some headway, I can right click on the desktop now. However, I still have no taskbar. [02:18] sorry for your troubles, i would love to help you but im new to linux.kubuntu === erica_ is now known as Guest29242 [02:37] Oh dear kubuntu 15.04, you've done wondrous things to my pc life, but mostly made them annoying to me... [02:38] xD [02:44] Halp... [02:45] Halp === AndroUser is now known as Bomber [02:45] I'm in a login loop [02:46] 😢 [02:48] Sorry, phone's Irc app keeps crashin [02:48] I still need halp to fix login loop [03:03] Any help? [03:11] 😧 [03:17] Help! I need somebody! 😂 [03:47] Can anyone help me here? [03:58] Anyone..? [04:53] I'm going nuts.. Anyone here to help? [06:05] when i search for packages, like VLC in Muon Discover i get to page but install button is greyed out [06:05] anyone knows why? [06:09] Good morning. [06:09] morning [07:51] if UBUNTU server with working static network configuration is suddenly disconnected and not able to reach the Gateway. How can i debug? Can any one please help on this. [07:52] Neo9: This is more for #ubuntu-server, but anyways, check if you still have an ip and if the routes are correct. [07:56] lordievader: i have posted in ubuntu-server and did not get any replay. Routing table is fine in't not changed and compared with my backup configurations. [09:25] I'm using Fedora22+Plasma [09:26] Here, `Plank` which is a dock, crashes if you move icons! it's closed unexpectedly! [09:26] I want know to see is it same on kubuntu? === arek is now known as Guest51732 [11:06] Wat is `Plank`? [11:08] 'Morning folks [11:20] alvin: I have not tried it, but: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/01/how-to-add-a-dock-to-ubuntu-desktop-plank [11:21] I do not see the point, as I can slide application icons to my panel, but maybe somebody can enlighten us. [11:23] Yes, you can right click and use 'show launcher' and so on. This is something else, but it doesn't interest me. frenda is right about the 'closes unexpectedly' though. Happens too much. [11:23] Firefox has the same problem. Even on Windows. It often crashes when I try to close it. [11:24] Speaking of Firefox, since it is the default browser in Kubuntu. Can we expect better KDE integration? Like recognising what programs to use for opening certain filetypes. [11:25] alvin: that is a long-standing firefox bug due to the way it internally handles mime types [11:26] TJ, Ow, thanks for the answer. I didn't find this on Launchpad and filed a bug about it last week. Nobody reacted yet. [11:26] alvin: I was working on it in the Firefox code about 6 years ago, or more. The code was a mess and even the dev's that created it got lost, so the thing got left [11:27] We've had Konqueror and Rekonq as KDE browsers, but apparently they're not better than Firefox, since it has been the default for some releases. [11:28] I actually like Firefox, because it is cross-platform, but things like that are weird. Didn't expect the code to be a mess. [11:31] I gave up on FF after many yr, however I still keep it around, but chrome is my default now despite all the negative publicity about privacy [11:32] alvin: From 2008. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=455626 and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=444440 [11:32] Mozilla bug 455626 in File Handling ""the associated helper application does not exist"" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [11:32] Mozilla bug 444440 in File Handling "Unexpected application launched when $HOME/.mailcap contains an entry for the handled mime type" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [11:32] That's the main reason I'm not using Chrome. That and the fact that Firefox is the only browser on Android with an ad blocker. Which reminds me I have yet to find a solution on Sailfish. [11:32] alvin: "Fixed" doesn't mean it works as we expect, unfortunately [11:33] TJ-: Indeed. It's exactly this. 'unexpected application'. I mean, Firefox tries to open .odt files with Gwenview. Or Krita. Or .zip files with Okular. And so on... It really is unexpected behaviour. === LjL` is now known as LjL-Alps [11:34] well, I don't need a gossip gadget, an ordinary cellphone works for me. [11:36] What's a gossip gadget? [11:36] alvin: uhm , have you treid the file association settings? [11:36] BluesKaj: Of course! [11:36] alvin: in the discussion on 444440 it emerges 2 core devs worked on it and couldn't fix it and let the patches drop for 4 years. That says a lot about the inherited code in FF is incomprehensible now. I found it countains so many workarounds for various issues on different platforms that changing 1 small part causes regressions elsewhere. [11:37] gossip gadget aka so called smart phone [11:37] Right :-) [11:37] Well, I liked my N900. It was a linux computer with keyboard and ssh. Great stuff. === bukai_ is now known as bukai [11:38] quoting models without a brandname doesn't do muchj either :-) [11:39] Bug 1481222 is what I filed [11:39] bug 1481222 in firefox (Ubuntu) "Firefox does not respect the application preference order for opening files from the downloads library" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1481222 [11:39] BluesKaj: Oh, N900 was the only Nokia Maemo phone. Could have said Maemo of course. Same goes now for Sailfish. There's only one model. [11:40] I also once ordered the 'Vivaldi tablet'. Remember that one? KDE tablet. [11:41] pre-ordered I mean. There never was a Vivaldi tablet. [11:41] nope [11:41] With 'Kubuntu Active'. Don't know if that is actually still active. [11:43] Are there no efforts to rewrite parts of Firefox then? I remember Phoenix? That was a lean browser. I don't know if it would even be possible nowadays for a small project like that. Browsers need to be able to do much, much more. [11:50] for one thing, once websites accept that HTML5 is superior to flash (or so i've been told) then browsing will be easier for everyone, and perhaps the fact that Adobe is dropping support for flash on linux is a the thin edge of the wedge [11:58] 'has dropped years ago', but I still see it. And if you don't install Flash, Kubuntu will recommend you to do so every time you log in. [12:00] at log-in? never seen that [12:00] neither have I [12:00] Qupzilla is Qt based, though not a KDE project. Is anybody using it? [12:00] that's new to me . mparillo [12:02] Yes, I didn't install Flash and there's a message in the system tray asking me to do it. Maybe it's only when you use Firefox? [12:03] mparillo: I've heard of it, but didn't try it. [12:06] I did a few months ago, and spell-check did not work, which is pretty much a fail for me. The version in our repositories is 183; current is 186. [12:13] alvin: I've never seen that, and I don't have flash installed. [12:19] TJ-: what do you do about flash heavy sites ? [12:20] how do you mean? [12:21] do you avoid them or just not choose to watch the video portion? [12:21] They don't get my custom [12:22] sorry?? === massimo is now known as max_Sme === Tm_Tr is now known as Guest13976 [12:54] Same. I avoid Flash sites. [12:55] I rarely see the value in video content. The Shannon information content is usually vanishingly small compared to text or a diagram [12:58] I fire up chrome when I absolutely need flash, and do not enable flash in any other browser, but I agree: I seldom find I need to do so, and 90% of what I accidently miss is advertorial at best. [13:01] mparillo: intersting how heavy computer users become so creative with the English language , there's a new word, "advertorial" :-) [13:14] * alvin likes it [13:24] BluesKaj: In the U.K. at least, that term has been used since at least the 1990s to refer to newspaper adverts placed as editorial commentary [13:26] TJ-: ok , so it's not new, i stand corrected [13:26] BluesKaj: maybe it is coming back into fashion ? [13:27] Here comes the new King... just like the old King [13:27] we don't see much of that in Northern Ontario ...English in the papers is pretty plain here [14:50] Ok ... this xorg memory leak is really starting to piss me off ... time for a better supported/non propriatary video card ... currently using an AMD Radeon 5700 ... any suggestions? [14:51] oh no idea, never used any amd card :) [15:01] So I have a bit of a new problem. Last night, I went about reinstalling 15.04 to fix all the problems my upgade had, I copied some of the /etc/ files over and setup my /home directory to be on the same drive as the previous one, and now I have noticed that when I restart the machine, I am booted into recovery mode with root. I am not sure if it is single user mode or something else, but my machine will not boot up [15:02] Looking at /var/log/syslog, I don't see anything noticeable, and because my drives are mounted in ro mode, I can't edit anything straight off the bat to try and fix it [15:03] alem: "mount -o remount,rw /" [15:05] It looks like if I do journalctf -xb, it can't "ACPI PCC probe failed" and further on, it claims it "Failed to start Remount Boot and Kernel Final System" === drawkward is now known as drawkward_away [15:14] TJ, alright, it involved a little more work, it seems that the UUID was replaced for the root drive. However, I also notice something very peculiar, if I try to login into KDE with my main user from the graphical interface it fails, but if I type out startx, I am logged in no problem. [15:14] alem: "ACPI PCC probe failed" is expected and can me ignored; it's just an info message that has since been silenced [15:15] Hm, nevermid, it isn't doing it now. It ws doing it last night though. === Khaotic is now known as Khaotic_ === Khaotic_ is now known as Khaotic [16:20] Hi guys! I am experimenting with Kubuntu in VMware. I just installed the Kubuntu. I cant find ithe menues any software for aditional software installation. How to install additional software from repo? [16:21] try muon discover [16:22] soee: Where I can find it? How can I launch it? [16:23] vasili111: Likely: alt + f2 -> discover -> enter [16:23] +1 [16:25] soee: I fond it, thank you. It is strange that there are no icon of Muon in K menues [16:26] vasili111: im sure there is [16:27] vasili111: check in System section [16:27] soee: Thank you:) Found there too :) [17:05] !eol [17:05] End-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades [17:13] <[Relic]> Would anyone know if Kubuntu 15.04 saves sessions automatically yet? Do the applications open on each different virtual desktop reopen on the proper desktop after restart/shutdown & reboot? [17:25] Hey [18:15] hi [18:30] I want to instal Compiz but when I serach in Muon I only get "Compiz Fusion Icon" and "CompizConfig Settings Manager" and no Compiz. Maybe I need aditionals sources links to Muon or maybe something else? [18:34] vasili111: "apt-cache search -n compiz" [18:51] anyone? [18:54] vasili111: there is a compiz package.. try apt search compiz you can't find it in muon discover because that only shows gui programs [18:56] where are downloaded wallpapers kept in kubuntu [18:56] it seems very hidden [18:57] from get new stuff or kde-wallpapers package? [18:57] from get new stuff [18:57] there is kde wallpapers package? [18:57] its the default wallpapers for kde itself [18:57] i can find default ones [18:57] in usr/shared [18:58] but downloaded ones are hidden [18:58] ~/.kde/share/wallpapers [18:58] ~/ is your home folder if you don't know [18:59] where do you see .kde folder? [18:59] im on kubuntu 15.04 [18:59] /home//.kde [18:59] maybe for plasama 5 it might be ~/.kde5 [19:00] that's not folder structure i see in 15.04 [19:00] are you talking about home in root? [19:00] no your users home folder.. [19:00] give me a second im checking my plasma5 install [19:01] isn't that home in root? [19:01] sithlord48: So all non gui programs I have to install only with terminal? Any gui software for it? [19:01] it goes root > home > username > and then folder structure is like windows [19:01] ill show you screenshot [19:01] vasili111: because muon discover works that way . install the package muon [19:01] http://s9.postimg.org/m4dkt8xpb/screenshot_7.png [19:01] vasili111: sudo apt install muon [19:02] vasili111: will give you the muon package manager that will show all packages including non gui [19:02] misterno: right click where is says home i then select "edit" [19:02] and [19:02] you can then type a path OR use alt + . to show hidden folders [19:03] sithlord48: "sudo apt install muon" or "sudo apt-get install muon"? [19:03] vasili111: don't matter [19:03] sithlord48 i really dont understand how i can use alt+ , to show hidden folders [19:04] misterno: what is the difference between them? [19:04] click on dolphin and press teh key combo of alt+. [19:04] ye but initiatlly you said to use edit on home and THEN to use alt+. [19:04] sithlord48: what is the difference between them? [19:04] now i see where i use alt+. [19:04] vasili111: apt-get is old apt is newer unfinished [19:05] why konsole isnt showing hidden files? [19:05] misterno: ls by defalut doesn't show hidden files. [19:05] im actually using dir command but ok :) [19:06] misterno: ls -a will show hidden files [19:06] and folders? [19:06] hidden [19:06] sithlord48: I installed compiz. How can I launch it? [19:06] vasili111: last time i used it was compiz --repalce [19:06] ok so im in.kde but i dont see wallpapers there [19:07] vasili111: idk how well its gonna work with kde or why you would use compiz instead of kwin [19:07] misterno: perhaps its been moved for plasma5 [19:07] is there a search that can find file [19:08] you can use the find command or in dolphin there is a find also [19:08] misterno: dolphin command is crtl+f [19:08] oh wait i must hit alt+. for every single folder to show hidden files and folders? [19:08] sithlord48: What is kwin? [19:08] cant it remember? [19:08] misterno: that depends on how you ahve dolphin set up .. only folders and files taht start with . are hidden [19:09] sithlord48: something similar to compiz? [19:09] vasili111: kwin is the kde window manager it manages your windows and effects. [19:09] sithlord48: I have to disable befor launching compiz? [19:09] vasili111: system settings -> desktop effects to enable various effects [19:10] oh lord using compiz with kde -.- [19:10] vasili111: no that is what the --replace switch does it takes over for [19:10] LjL-Alps: yup.. [19:10] i dont see "show hidden files" in Dolphin Preferences [19:10] should be under the view menu [19:11] vasili111: why do you want to install compiz when kde (through kwin) already provides a ton of effects? [19:11] sithlord48: how to bring bak kwin back ? "kwin -- replace"? [19:11] vasili111: yup [19:12] vasili111: kwin --replace (there is no space after the -- [19:12] so the only way to have always show hidden files all times is to configure Dolphin to "use common properties for all folders" [19:12] weird [19:12] sithlord48: Also I installed muon pacage as u say. So I will have in Muon all pacages including nongui? [19:12] misterno: do u have the menu or the menu button in dolphin? if you have the menu its in teh view menu [19:13] misterno: if you have the menu button is the 8th item in the menu under show in groups [19:13] vasili111: open the muon package manager its not the same program as muon discover [19:13] sithlord48 that menu option doesn't remember between folders [19:13] it's only for that particular folder [19:14] misterno: that depends on how your view properties are for dolphin [19:14] that's what im trying to say [19:14] misterno: thats teh expected behavoir if you want all folders to look the same you need to under view properties set it [19:15] that's what makes it weird [19:15] sithlord48: Thank you very much for help :) [19:15] i dont want all folders to look the same in every respect, just to show hidden files [19:15] view preferences are per folder thats the same for most every file browers i ahve ever used. [19:15] vasili111: your welcome [19:15] but that seems to be grouped up with either every folder looks the same or you dont get to see hidden files at all times [19:16] that's weird [19:16] misterno: you really dont need to see the hidden folders [19:16] i do now looking for wallpapers [19:16] i dont think it is up to you to decide what i need to see or not [19:16] that's my decision :) [19:16] normally you just type in the location in the location bar lol [19:16] misterno: your right about that. [19:17] in windows you can customize look of folders *and* still have option to turn on hidden files at all times [19:17] here you are either set for every folder to look the same or you have to turn on hidden files for every single folder [19:17] ok [19:18] now back to original quest for wallpapers [19:18] they seem to be so well hidden [19:18] misterno: yeah in not sure where in plasma5 they should be somewhere in your home folder. [19:18] they should be in home folder? [19:18] not in lets say root/usr [19:19] misterno: get new stuff is per user so some where in your home folder [19:19] misterno: if its global it would be in /usr/share/wallpapers [19:19] btw now i see hidden folders that were created by apps i installed then uninstalled, why werent theese folders removed? [19:19] to keep preferences? [19:20] misterno: because uninstall is different then purge . the later removes also configs [19:20] misterno: /home/mark/.local/share/wallpapers [19:20] in global wallpapers folder are only plastma default wallpaper of different resolutions [19:21] so they must be elsewhere [19:21] LjL-Alps: kwin have same cube efect as Compiz? [19:21] finally you did it [19:21] misterno: if you install wallpapers with the package manager like the kde-wallpaper package they will go to /usr/share/wallpapers/ [19:22] it was home/mark/.local/share/wallpapers [19:22] vasili111: system settings -> desktop effects [19:22] so .local is the one [19:22] misterno: if you use get new stuff it goes into your home folder [19:22] that's good to know, im new to linux [19:22] vasili111: what version of kubuntu do u have ? [19:22] are only folders that start with . hidden? [19:22] files and folders [19:23] vasili111: yes, in kde5 at least (not sure about kde4). you need to enable it. [19:23] so there is no special hidden file property? i just name them with a . and they will be hidden? [19:23] iirc kde4 has a desktop cube too [19:23] misterno: yup [19:23] that'.s good to know too [19:23] sithlord48: latest. Just downloaded. [19:23] ok then system settings-> desktop behavior -> desktop effects for you [19:24] LjL-Alps: Enable from system settings -> desktop effects? [19:24] sithlord48 thanks for helping me resolve this mystery [19:24] dunno why are wallpapers hidden so much [19:25] there is option to show multiple wallpapers in folder and then you want to browse to folder where wallpapers downloaded and cant find it xD [19:26] vasili111: yes [19:26] regarding purge, there is option to remove everything app installed? [19:28] i have cube effect when changing desktops [19:28] but i must say i dont understand "activities" [19:28] they are like desktops but not desktops [19:28] whats the point [19:28] they also crash a lost plasma 5.3 [19:29] It works :)))) [19:29] cube? yea [19:29] How can I remove compize pakage with all dependaces? [19:29] misterno: yes :) [19:30] vasili111: well you can open muon pacage manager and do it with the gui or sudo apt remove compiz [19:30] hold on [19:31] i was using apt-get [19:31] there is just apt? [19:31] sithlord48: it also removes all dependances or i NEED TO MANUALLY REMOVE THEM? [19:31] sithlord48: sorry caps [19:31] vasili111: it should remove dependcies [19:31] i believe it removes all dependancies [19:32] there is another command you might use, after uninstall, sudo apt-get autoremove [19:32] sithlord48 can you tell me more about apt vs apt-get [19:32] misterno: what thet command does? [19:33] vasili111: I mean sudo apt-get autoremove [19:33] apt-get is just part of teh apt tools [19:33] dunno im new i just read when uninstalling google chrome to use two commands "sudo apt-get purge google-chrome-stable" and after that "sudo apt-get autoremove" [19:33] vasili111: it removes un needed packages like old kernels [19:33] i dont know much about linux im just reading advices [19:34] so apt-get purge is better than apt-get remove [19:34] misterno: apt-get is one of several apt tools apt-cache apt-key and few more. [19:34] misterno: NO [19:34] why? [19:35] purge will remove configs as well as the installed program . remove will just remove the program [19:35] one is not better then the other they have diffferent uses. [19:35] ok that's good [19:35] how does a command know where all the configs are? [19:36] because the FHS says where they are [19:36] file system? [19:36] system wide configs are in /etc user configs are in ~/.config or ~/. [19:36] sithlord48: So to remove compize is beter to purge right? Becose I dont need compiz configs [19:36] misterno: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard [19:37] vasili111: you can purge compiz you have no reason to save the settings. [19:37] what if two applications wanna use same name for folder, what happens then? [19:37] ok nvm, this is getting sidelined too much [19:37] misterno: well depending on what they name their config file [19:45] sithlord48 are you on plasma 5.3.2 [19:49] misterno: i have many kde machines. [19:49] misterno: my laptop is on plasma 5.4 [19:49] beta [19:49] oh whats new? [19:49] hidpi stuff i need for my screen is 4k [19:49] do you have ktp-contact-list in your menu? [19:49] other stuff i don't notice [19:50] misterno: yeah [19:50] misterno: the plasma5 machine is not running kubuntu it runs arch linux [19:50] how come? [19:51] misterno: because i like arch too [19:51] misterno: also im a dev so i like to try my stuff on differnt distros and package for them as well [19:51] plasma dev? [19:52] misterno: not plasma other random projects mostly tools for games [19:52] i started trying out linux distros few days ago in VM in my windows 10, first tried elementary os, hated it with a passion looks nice on screenshot not very user friendly [19:52] then i installed mint and loved it [19:52] and now i installed kubuntu [19:53] and kubuntu with plasma 5 is most modern UI i have seen in linux so far [19:53] it is close to rival win 10 [19:53] misterno: I just found: https://askubuntu.com/questions/445384/what-is-the-difference-between-apt-and-apt-get [19:53] misterno: debian distos are nice.. i really like kubuntu its great i run it on most of my machines [19:53] idk never used windows since xp . build my windows binaries with wine [19:54] well i do know since i use windows all my life :) [19:54] What do people think about gaming on linux? I have found it to be pretty difficult which is unfortunately why I tend to use windows quite alot [19:54] i can also see some of perks with UI that i consider falts [19:54] faults [19:54] misterno: i use windows long time just not useful to me anymore [19:54] like how do you disable mousewheel changing dropdown boxes? [19:54] that is most annoying thing ever [19:55] AEL-H: depends on what the game was made for its not the falut of linux that games for windows don't work correctly always . wine is not perfect [19:55] misterno: every os sucks . i have used most all of them [19:55] if you scroll a page (not just webpage but like system settings page) with a mousewheel and it has elements with dropdown boxes if you hover mouse over it during scroll you can accidentally change settings [19:55] that is sooooooooooo annoying [19:55] Oh I am aware it is not the fault of linux that is why it is annoying :), it is annoying that games are made for windows & mac primarily because that's where the money is I guess [19:55] and i dunno how to disable [19:56] AEL-H: i don't really play games on linux just some old ones taht work in wine . most anything new i play on console [19:56] AEL-H becuase linux is open source [19:56] games wont go that direction and make loads of money [19:56]