[05:08] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: libfm-qt (disco-proposed/universe) [0.14.1-0ubuntu2 => 0.14.1-0ubuntu2.1] (lubuntu) [05:11] wxl: ^ [05:20] SRU testing stuff [05:28] I ran sudo do-release-upgrade -d. And it says download will take 2 mins and after that actual upgrade may take hours, it doesn't know. I hit yes. Now downloading. How much time does it usually take for upgrade? [05:28] It depends on your machine and network speed. [05:29] Network speed is good. I am running in a vm with 2gb ram. [05:59] Done. In 19.10 [14:37] @HMollerCl window tilling is removed. [14:37] @The_LoudSpeaker [@HMollerCl window tilling is removed.], @lynorian won't be happy [14:38] Should we keep window tilling? [14:38] I believe we should [14:38] but not with Meta or Super key [14:40] Alt+arrow keys? [15:56] I understand why it was done unfortanetly [15:56] I could always add it back [15:56] if I really wanted to [15:56] Wait, why not Meta or Super? [15:59] @universalsuperbox super would not work with opening menu on super as it would just open the menu [16:00] KDE has solved that problem, it involves treating Super as a modifier and non-modifier key. But I understand that's not a simple solution [16:00] Standard for desktops that have that limitation is Control+Super [16:00] +Arrow (Left for tile left, Right for tile right, Up for maximize, Down for unmaximize) [16:02] @UniversalSuperBox problem is with openbox, in openbox there is no "release key" (for meta alone to open menu) and it conflicts with lxqt [16:24] @HMollerCl the Ctrl+Fx setup for switching to desktop 'x' is there currently. It is modified to Super+Fx since D18. [16:25] aaa ok. My point was that we could use ctrl+alt+arrows for the tiling instead as changing desktop becasue other keys allready do that. [16:25] That also seems a little non-standard. Super+number launches a docked application in most DEs [16:26] Not that being nonstandard is a bad thing, just playing devil's advocate [16:26] @UniversalSuperBox [+Arrow (Left for tile left, Right for tile right, Up for maximize, Down for unma …], Personally I like that. [16:26] ^we need to take care of this, good point @UniversalSuperBox we should use the standards, other wise we could broke othe things. [16:27] By standard I mean "People notice it very clearly when it is gone". The trend was started by Windows 7 and Unity. [16:27] There seems no standard. We could follow ubuntu. Wait Inwill send a link. [16:28] Unity had the same Super problem, though, so it used Control+Super for tiling [16:29] Should we follow this: … https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/shell-keyboard-shortcuts.html.en [16:29] I think we should as much as we can. wxl? [16:30] @The_LoudSpeaker [Should we follow this: … https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/shell-keyboard …], But that page also doesn't have any info about tilling. [16:31] We could try to follow ubuntu but it's shortcuts are tailored for gnome. Not lxqt. [16:32] I know, that's why I say "as much as we can". [16:32] wxl: waiting for you. [16:33] fwiw alt+left or right arrow would break keyboard back and forward in firefox [16:33] yes, alt+ is normally use for the app controls. [16:33] Right, that's why shortcuts around Super are better for the desktop environment. [16:34] Pesky apps like those Control and Alt keys [16:39] there's nothing wrong with using super [16:39] just not in openbox, at least not while we have super opening the menu in lxqt [16:40] and personally i am *** NOT *** willing to base everything around supporting a crappy version of window tiling. that's something that should not get a first level shortcut [16:41] if we want to worry about what everyone else does, i totally support that but we should look at what EVERYONE else does. i think we'll find there are actually few standards at all [16:41] Every other DE has gone through this bug (Super can't be a modifier and a key) and fixed it. I don't think rejiggering your shortcuts is the real solution here, even though the real solution is way harder. [16:43] the real solution is way harder when upstream kind of doesn't support it [16:44] there are 2 things: 1) openbox can't handle Super as modifier and key, but lxqt can. 2) openbox can do "tilinig" but lxqt can't. [16:44] With tham in min we can define the shortcuts to make them "standard" [16:45] so, leave all super to lxqt, and use another combination for tiling without super in openbox. [16:45] https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/issues/1605 [16:45] if we didn't use openbox, i'm sure we wouldn't have this problem [16:45] Error: Could not get data from github.com/lxqt/lxqt/issues: (https://api.github.com/repos/lxqt/lxqt/issues/1605) [16:46] ^^ Unit193 looks like ubot93 is broken [16:48] anyone really familiar with dualbooting windows want to get in on this madness? https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/oops-grub-and-windows-boot-loader-both-working/155 [16:51] First, he has to reinstall the windows bootloader into the MBR and then he can remove grub from Lubuntu [16:51] it's all yours apt-ghetto :) [16:52] I am not registered [16:52] i'm sure you can fix that :) [16:52] I had to DDG EasyBCD, never heard of that one before. [16:54] I fear, that after the successful registration, I will have less time to spend for programming and packaging and bug reporting [16:54] Mute notifications lol [16:55] yuuup [16:56] A propos packaging: Is there something to do regarding the keyfile/initramfs problem? [16:57] apt-ghetto: you mean with Cala? [16:57] Yes [16:57] not until they have confirmed fixes, IMO, that work [16:57] even if they don't have it in a 'release' [16:57] since I think they said they had to test their 'committed workaround' [16:57] There are some commits, but they are not sure, if it will fix the problem [16:58] that's why i said they have to test [17:05] @apt-ghetto [ First, he has to reinstall the windows bootloader into the MBR and …], His windows bootloader is already in mbr. He just has to remove grub. [17:07] @The_LoudSpeaker sounds like YOU need to respond XD [17:07] Yup! in a min. [17:08] As far as I understand, he installed Ubuntu, so Grub was also installed into the MBR and the system is booting Grub [17:08] wxl: have you checked about D18? whether we need lxqt-globalconf separate or not? [17:09] @apt-ghetto [ As far as I understand, he installed Ubuntu, so Grub was also insta …], Yeah. but you mentioned he needs to reinstall windows bootmgr. he doesn't. [17:10] He has to install the windows loader to overwrite Grub in the MBR, and then he can chainload bootmgr or grub [17:11] haven't yet @The_LoudSpeaker [17:11] Yeah. I you are right. in mbr only last installed bootloader remains. My bad. 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(Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL676ddb6692c5 [18:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL05964ef4a076: Add multimonitor fast screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL05964ef4a076 [18:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T59: fix keyboard shortcuts] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59#1251 [18:37] Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez. [18:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T32: Make checksum verification automatic] Tj (Tj) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T32#1235 [18:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALee619b7c9722: Properly style fast menu text] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALee619b7c9722 [18:37] Good work lynorian :) [18:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL979819c8b153: Add extending displays and boxes for exact pixel alignment] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL979819c8b153 [18:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T30: Theme GRUB] apt-ghetto (apt-ghetto) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T30#1244 [18:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T25: Make Calamares work well with smaller screens] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T25#1317 [18:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T59: fix keyboard shortcuts] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59#1313 [18:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALcab947d380cc: Add summary of Fast Menu tab] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALcab947d380cc [18:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL2eb69e58a27d: Update lxqt-panel-config.png screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL2eb69e58a27d [18:43] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T87: Calamares: Address security issue related to FDE] teward (Thomas Ward) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T87 [18:43] *derps and adds a task for reasons* [18:48] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T87: Calamares: Address security issue related to FDE] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T87#1339 [18:50] tsimonq2: I was playing with qemu and I replaced calamares from https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable-ci-proposed/+build/17215555 (with the latest commits), but I got an error with initramfs during installation [18:52] apt-ghetto: What's the error? [18:52] https://termbin.com/3bdd [18:53] apt-ghetto: Please ping [ade] in #calamares, that default timeout value needs to be raised I think. [18:53] At least see what he thinks. [18:53] Not sure, if I forgot something or if it is a "known", but fixed bug [18:54] We had some initramfs problem some weeks ago [18:55] Right, [18:56] My reasoning in asking him is that he rewrote that whole module. [18:56] I think that got fixed [18:56] Right, the error we had got fixed. [18:58] And it is in the latest iso? [18:58] The new version of Calamares isn't. [18:59] We're a few versions ahead in the CI. [18:59] However, we should probably look at getting this dealt with before we update the version in the ISO. [18:59] Nice catch, apt-ghetto [18:59] I downloaded calamares from the ci-proposed pocket and did a apt install ./calam...ppa [19:00] Right [19:00] The ISO currently has the tip of master. [19:00] Actually... [19:00] Ooh. [19:01] I can probably work on doing a weekly ISO based off of the CI. [19:01] update: simon broke things :) [19:01] teward: noU [19:01] SSL certs borked again [19:01] For reasons [19:01] evidence and information or die. [19:01] :P [19:01] nooope [19:01] Neither [19:02] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T87: Calamares: Address security issue related to FDE] teward (Thomas Ward) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T87#1340 [19:04] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T87: Calamares: Address security issue related to FDE] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T87#1341 [19:07] I didn't want to take cala too far for fear of incompatibility with kpmcore. That and [ADE] cranks out the new releases relentlessly :) [19:28] You'll want to update to 3.2.11 when it comes out though :) [19:28] But yeah, I get your point [19:28] We still have a few months to go in the development cycle [19:30] There is another commit which sets the timeout to 120 seconds instead of 10 seconds [19:31] And in about 12 hours, our servant jenkins will build the package [19:33] @apt-ghetto [ And in about 12 hours, our servant jenkins will build the package], Or I can just trigger a build now ;) [19:41] tsimonq2: You are very hard-working today, respect! And the missing ubuntu/eoan branch appeared as well in the lxqt-archiver repo [19:56] Yep :D [19:56] Thanks! [22:27] wxl: @tsimonq2 calamares settings, which branch do I want? [22:34] @aptghetto it helps I'm lighting fires under Simon's butt today lol [22:34] it's why he's so productive :P [23:14] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL1f781fd2dc49: Fix show desktop shortcut in appendix F] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL1f781fd2dc49 [23:15] @kc2bez [ wxl: @tsimonq2 calamares settings, which branch do I want?], master [23:15] master of calamares is pulling your strings [23:15] @tsimonq2 [master], that's what she made you say to her that one night. [23:15] *shot* [23:16] Ok, I thought so but I was anticipating eoan to be there. [23:16] @kc2bez [ Ok, I thought so but I was anticipating eoan to be there.], I'll rearrange that later [23:16] For now, just use master [23:16] in case no one gets that reference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5Sr__xoD8c [23:16] It is ok, I just wanted to make sure I was on the right branch. Thanks. [23:18] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL088b8b182066: Fix launch pcmanfm-qt from openbox keyboard] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL088b8b182066 [23:38] @kc2bez [ It is ok, I just wanted to make sure I was on the right branch. Thanks.], Thanks for checking :)