[01:40] are the steps for burning CD identical as those for DVD? https://manual.lubuntu.me/1/1.2/booting_the_image.html?highlight=iso [01:40] ... is a CD-RW not big enough for lubuntu 18.04.2? [01:41] ugh [01:41] i'm so dumb [01:41] of course not [01:41] CD-RW is 700 MB; need 2 GB ... nevermind [01:45] would you please link to backup instructions at https://manual.lubuntu.me/D/upgrading.html?highlight=backup ? [01:46] erm ... if there is a one-click-backup for all files and settings [01:46] like Apple's Time Machine or Microsoft's Backup feature ... [01:46] i guess there isn't one? [01:46] it doesn't seem listed under System Tools, where i'd expect to find it https://manual.lubuntu.me/3/System_Tools_and_Preferences.html [01:47] * sappheiros searches http://askubuntu.com/ [01:47] https://askubuntu.com/questions/209512/lubuntu-and-backup-software is six years old, so i suppose it no longer applies === BrianG61UK__ is now known as BrianG61UK [03:07] sappheiros: there's no one backup solution. we don't include one by default. might not be a bad idea. go try some things and see what you like :) [03:08] maybe kbackup? [03:09] or luckybackup [03:33] wxl: i was manually copying files ... ... am i stupid or just getting old? [03:33] nah, probably just tired and focusing my attention on other things [03:34] sappheiros: it can work, but it's kind of rudimentary. you might want to at least use rsync [03:35] lol thanks ... looks like rsync does automatically exactly what i was doing visually [03:35] *manually [03:36] wxl: do you learn these commands just by using linux over many years? [03:36] or should i do more searching and more webpage reading? [03:37] i dislike searching and reading search results because it seems like digging for gold [03:37] ever heard of `apropos`? [03:38] um ... as an adjective ... [03:38] oh. [03:38] i think someone in #ubuntu told me about it once. [03:38] isn't it a search keyword to find command feature? [03:38] woudln't work in this case, but it often helps [03:38] then you can use `man` to figure out how to use it [03:38] you can also search ubuntu packages with `apt-cache search` [03:39] apropos sync does list rsync [03:39] yeah but not backup [03:40] oh. you are saying backup is more sophisticated than syncing files to an external hard drive because it can be read from and restoring data faster than copying files? [03:41] oh, and desktop settings like wallpaper? [03:41] well ultimately you want something that automates it for you [03:41] my concern though is if it backs up settings, trying to restore settings to 18.04 (from 18.10) might "break the system", i mean cause problems [03:41] it's helpful to have something that only gives you delta backups, too [03:42] delta backup = only incremental changes are recorded like apple's Time Machine? [03:42] yeah [03:42] but is a backup appropriate if switching from 18.10 to 18.04? [03:42] backup at all times :) [03:42] i mean, rather than copying documents and moving only documents over [03:42] but why would you downgrade???? [03:42] @sappheiros [ oh, and desktop settings like wallpaper?], You can use Timeshift. It can backup user files. [03:43] because i found 18.10 will not receive security patches after July 2019, but 18.04 will continue receiving security patches until April 2021 [03:43] is that not true? [03:43] yes but lxde is a dead end [03:43] but so is this 32-bit computer, and i don't have the money yet to buy a new one [03:43] and i might not have the money until after March 2020 [03:44] *march 2021 [03:44] meh [03:44] the whole i386 thing is a litte uncertain [03:45] should i try to install 19.04 on it? [03:45] i thought it was 64-bit [03:45] It is 64 bit only. [03:45] the installer is [03:46] but packages are available [03:46] 32 bit packages in 19.10+ are a bit uncertain [03:47] i tried `apt-cache showpkg timeshift` to try to act on what wxl and The_LoudSpeaker said but it couldn't find the package [03:51] it's only in a ppa https://github.com/teejee2008/timeshift#ubuntu-based-distributions [03:51] wxl: that explains why it wasn't in muon package manager i guess [03:52] someone on a forum -- and i think #ubuntu -- says ppa is "at your own risk", isn't it? [03:52] as a beginner, shouldn't i stick to official packages? [03:52] in *general* i would say yes [03:52] in this case, it seems the developer is providing it, so i would say the risk is relatively small [03:55] @sappheiros [ i tried `apt-cache showpkg timeshift` to try to act on what wxl and …], You have to add Timeshift ppa. [07:26] @damiron [ есть замена ему и как], Мы создали группу русскоязычных на Telegram. Присоединяйся к нам: … @Lubuntu_Ru … We created a group of Russian speakers on the Telegram. Join us: … @Lubuntu_Ru [07:32] @toly [ А Я ЛУБУНТУ], ... [12:26] ctisme was added by: ctisme [12:29] the lubuntu 19.04 here is running 3 days... now i lost icon network manager on the task bar, what's the command to open the icon again? [12:32] Try `nm-tray &` [13:26] @apt-ghetto [ Try `nm-tray &`], alt+F2 then … nm-tray [13:27] Check also your session settings [13:27] In the Autostart section, you should enable nm-tray === service is now known as Guest34932 [15:54] ok === lubuntu is now known as Guest95175 [16:36] how do i change keyboard layout in trial USB boot up? it isn't in mouse and keyboard [16:36] lubuntu 18.04.2 [16:38] You can open a terminal and execute for example `setxkbmap it` for the italian keyboard layout [16:39] apt-ghetto: i was hoping for a GUI so i could be sure to set the correct keyboard [16:40] Maybe there is a GUI solution [16:40] i don't see a way to search to find the English dvorak layout name. [16:42] Should be `setxkbmap us dvorak` [16:43] But now I have to reboot because I can't write correctly :) [16:44] thanks... [16:44] With `man 7 xkeyboard-config` you can check the possible values [16:45] how did you learnt hat? [16:46] is 7 a command/ [16:46] ? [16:46] well, thanks for showing me how to change the keyboard layout ... that did indeed work. [16:47] 7 is the section where the manpage is [16:47] hm ... [19:26] LXTerminal doesn't look as it did when using the live USB 18.04.2. why do you suppose? [19:29] cuz something changed? [19:30] * wxl ducks [19:30] * sappheiros throws terminal's corrupted text at wxl [19:31] i'm using weechat now, but the font looks ... well, broken after chnaging it in preferences [19:31] only thought is to try restarting terminal. [19:32] oh the font huh hm [19:32] under preferences what's your terminal font? [19:33] i just changed it to Ubuntu Mono Bold 10 which displays properly. many of the other fonts don't. [19:34] which one doesn't? [19:34] okay, let me find one ... [19:34] for example ... [19:34] Sans Regular [19:34] ugh, and now Ubuntu Regular is broken too [19:35] what defines "broken?" [19:35] Ubuntu Mono Regular is okay. [19:35] barely legible, letters all scrunched together or else oddly spaced [19:35] it seems only 'mono' type fonts work in LXTerminal. [19:35] well i mean they're kind of the only ones that make sense [19:36] why is that? because terminal is monospace by design? [19:36] you tried non-monospace in live? [19:36] can noblenote data be imported into xpad? [19:36] sappheiros: never tried that [19:37] no, but the default was much better looking than the default after installation [19:37] hence i tried changing the font [19:37] hence discovering the problem with non-monospaced fonts [19:37] so there is something odd about terminal display in live USB vs actual install [19:37] i mean, some discrepancy [19:37] many command line utilities are predicated on the notion of regular alignment of text inherient in monospace fonts [19:37] what font d'you use? [19:37] i have never noticed that personally [19:37] well [19:38] don't ask me, cuz i don't even use lxterminal :) [19:38] don't be a hater T_T [19:38] 32-bit 4 lyfe [19:38] yep monospace works best in temrinals [19:38] * sappheiros goes to get 32-bit tattood on his ... secret location ... [19:38] that said i appear to be on Noto Mono [19:39] which i guess i've been lazy about changing [19:39] i have only noto mono CJK stuff installed. are you using an asian install or regional format? [19:39] no [19:39] * sappheiros recently installed japanese language support [19:39] yours isn't CJK? [19:40] i mean it is by default [19:42] wxl is astoundingly good at giving noncomittal or answers that confuse me ... [19:43] i was not non-commital [19:43] noto is CJK by default [19:43] i mean your response there doesn't really say whether yours says 'CJK' or not in the font selection name space [19:43] you're like "could be" [19:43] "could've been" [19:43] "might still be" :P [19:43] EVERY noto is CJK [19:43] ah. i didn't know that. [19:44] you know what noto stands for right? [19:44] ... but noto is in italy >_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noto [19:44] i have no clue [19:44] * wxl facepalms [19:44] lol [19:44] ah. https://www.google.com/get/noto/ [19:44] ... ;_; i like tofu [19:45] this is tofu as it relates to fonts [19:45] which isn't as tasty [19:45] it's not tofu's fault if the font didn't season it [19:46] does firefox spy on me? [19:46] why is it default for lubuntu? [19:46] what would you prefer? [19:46] ... not being spied on >_> um ... falkon maybe? [19:46] but someone said falkon was KDE-based [19:46] and that i'd have to install a ton of KDE dependencies [19:46] in what way is firefox spying on you? [19:47] default opened tab on first use: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox/ [19:47] apparently it logs search terms for example [19:47] I didn't think falkon had that many kde dependencies most are still qt based [19:47] did you see the word "if" there? [19:48] or the phrase "by default?" [19:48] or the word "choose?" [19:48] that said, how do you know falkon doesn't do that but just isn't so adamant about being so transparent? [19:49] because if i can't see them then they can't see me. >_> that's how that works. [19:49] * sappheiros is starting to think wxl never went to kindergarten. [19:49] * wxl is starting to think sappheiros is still there [19:49] lol [19:50] ... it's just that from all the news i see it seems the more popular a product a company produces, the more evil that company is. [19:50] i guess i don't have a logical argument though. [19:51] i can safely say that mozilla is pretty non-evil [19:51] you broke the wheels off my emotion skateboard ;_; [19:51] >:< [19:51] do you know how hard it is to break skateboard wheels? [19:51] lol [19:51] if you want to install another browser, do it [19:52] nah [19:52] that's the beauty of linux: freedom [19:52] i'ma try firefoxie again [19:52] "less is more" right? [19:52] like, if i can use default software ... [19:52] not always [19:52] i mean you can use lynx [19:52] that's REALLY less [19:52] * sappheiros gasps [19:52] OR BETTER YET JUST USE TELNET [19:52] less is an amazing pager [19:52] i forgot about lynx! today i mean. [19:53] well, firefox does seem as fast as falkon now [19:53] i'm happy 18.04.2 seems not slower than 18.10 [19:53] maybe even faster right now ... [19:53] * sappheiros checks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telnet [19:54] * lynorian can't stand using more [19:54] do you still use telnet? [19:54] for network debugging [19:54] lynorian: change your name to mynorian. be consistent. :P [20:02] sappheiros: https://asciinema.org/a/pjDs0qCQKLvDBZMsujejMtE4C [20:03] that's real web surfing [20:03] how come you're not in #ubuntu-offtopic wxl? [20:03] i am. you're not [20:09] ?? [20:10] under a different account? [20:10] nope [20:10] you are most definitely not there unless you're logging in through telegram or through another account [20:58] @sappheiros [ i'm happy 18.04.2 seems not slower than 18.10], why don't use 19.04 directly? [21:04] because i686 [21:06] tomyren what if if upgrade from 18.04 LTS -> 18.10 -> 19.04 ? [21:14] ctisme: then you'll have ubuntu 19.04 installed. assuming that's available for your architecture. [23:07] Official site: lubuntu.net or lubuntu.me? Link to information about why there are two and the differences? [23:07] lubuntu.me is official one [23:08] Ok, thanks [23:12] And the logo is now the nice bird and not the freddy krueger hand, right? [23:15] bp0 I think it was always intended as a bird just a different one [23:15] It seems better now [23:15] Anyway, thanks for the info [23:41] is there a preferred CD ripper for lubuntu? sound juicer? [23:41] is lxde an alternative to gnome? [23:41] lxde is an alternative to gnome, yes [23:41] what about abcde instead of sound-juicer? [23:42] doesn't 18.10 include sound-juicer by default? [23:42] 1.- don't know. 2.- NO [23:42] 18.10 only has vlc [23:43] I use asunder on lxde [23:45] i just started the install for sound-juicer ... [23:46] why asunder rather than sound-juicer? [23:49] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cdparanoia looks good [23:58] but seems no database access unless i perhaps use abcde which requires learning stuff ... maybe sound-juicer is good enough ...