I wrote that our experience is "where we are". It may very well be different in a different place, with its different situation. And to further clarify, the presence of Christ where two or three are gathered is not the same as the Real Presence in the Holy Eucharist, to which the term "validity" here refers. I have doubts, PetrusRomanus2, that you fully read the posts to which you respond; either that or you do not fully understand what you read. I have no desire to turn this thread into a catechesis, nor further elaborate what is already clear. If indeed you are experiencing grace at the Holy Mass, then let that grace lead you into knowledge, on the one hand, and into being open to the realities that are presented to you, on the other. Bye now.