Let us not mistake "the good ones" for "the ones dennism likes".

The transition from a series of blocked private conversations parasitically parked at NCR by a handful to an actual open discussion group will take awhile, weeks, perhaps a few months.

On the other hand we haven't had a post whooping it up about a cardinal's dresses for a week or two, and occasionally we're getting an actual discussion with two or more sides that lasts for awhile without "traddies", "orthodox Catholics", or "heretics" being hurled.

Read the archives in Disqus.

Being disagreed with is not "civility by ruse" except for people that are used to no rules and no disagreement.