gotta keep in mind what TV can do to people - it is really hard to not play to a camera when a producer is hotly breathing down your neck.  I did listen to tom Hartman from Portland and ed Schultz on the radio.  at the time, they were the only alternative voice to all the right wing rhetoric.  Schultz was the rush Limbaugh of the democrats, only nicer. tom Hartman was great - he did get calls from both sides and really created an atmosphere for open discussion.  he, too , went national I think to air America as it started it up.