pete, you don't need to give up and I don't want to win.  I do want you to quit putting words in my mouth, which you do on almost any topic we discuss.  You are the one who insists, why, I don't know, something about Mitt Romney that I'm not even aware of, that uninformed means stupid.  You can say that all you want, for yourself.  Just don't claim that its what I think.  Fair enough?