No, we're talking about the same thing. The difficulty comes, first, from you trying to cover over your error concerning Cossman's post-tribunal defence of Justice Camp. Second, your bias against Camp continues to cloud your understanding about what Cossman said concerning the tribunal's ruling. Of that ruling she said, (if memory serves) "I worry that we are too quick to punish rather than rehabilitate." Again if memory serves, she stressed that point twice more in her comments. Clearly, Professor Cossman is defending Camp and diplomatically raising concerns about the tribunal's ultimate conclusion. While I have no skin in this particular outcome, I share Cossman's concerns as they implicate the public and its institutions.