Hmmph, weird huh?  Obviously though, Outsider77 doesn't get it, nor will he probably agree still even after reading your post.  I guess in his world everyone gets a nice, shiny new trophy for just being here.  I'd say it must be nice to live so happily in the diaper society mentality as he does, but I also don't see the world through rose-colored lenses.  Thanks for taking the time to back up what I was saying...I wasn't going to continue with him anymore though...he just seems to want to go into it with a complete victim mentality and blame the blameless.  I'm sure his trophy room looks really nice though...