Joseph is a new coach just like Siemian is a new QB. There are a lot of things he has to experience along the way to become a good coach. Even Shanahan had rough periods where he wasn't getting the best efforts of his team. You can't put all the blame on Joseph just like you can't put all the blame on Siemian. After yesterdays showing I am putting much of  the blame on the veterans that you mention. You can't lead veterans that already think they know everything and get paid millions and aren't producing. They need to get over their attitudes of grandeur and start getting their jersey's dirty and noses bloody. They are getting butts kicked and that has nothing to do from coaching. Like Joseph said, It's on each player to ask themselves if they are giving their all. I sure don't see it.