You're absolutely right that I don't get it.  "Man is on the verge of trashing the planet... so we need to ban Hawaii longliners from operating in the 50 - 200 mile zone around the NWHIs?  What is far-fetched and nonsensical about what I'm saying exactly?  Because I question the merits of this proposal and it's documentable conservation benefit I am somehow a heretic bent on trashing the ocean?  I appreciate that you acknowledge my arguments, but I'm afraid you have fallen short of actually making one yourself with this comment.  Instead, because I bring up an opposing view and point toward information that stands in conflict with what Steiner is saying you aim to marginalize me by likening me to a Trump supporter.  What is the irrefutable proof you speak of? You're right in that there are "real issues that need addressing" I also think that if people were more informed about them they would see that rush toward monument expansion and the religious-like zeal behind it is misguided.