12AB34CD --

Could you please let us know your real name?

It's hard to tell whether you're genuinely confused about the distinctions or rather are just trying to confuse others with incomplete statements about the facts.

Your framing isn't accurate.

The Council directed the CM to have a "facilitated" conversation between the City (i.e., staff and councilors) and CSEN, the residents and the business, _not_ an "all-comers", ill-defined "forum" ginned up by the Mayor.

The Brown/Clark initiative proposes several layers to the process, engaging the community within and adjacent to the plan area to varying degrees.

Anyone who's interested can read the Brown/Clark initiative posted on the CSEN website at:
https://councilsoutheugene.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/south-willamette-initiative-25apr161-copy.pdf

-- Paul