This reply proves the sadly polarised nature of SA's society incl among apparently intelligent and reasonable people. If a debate or consideration for debate, eg a national development vision, does not confirm one's biases, one shoots it down on principle like has been done w/ Jordan's view - btw a correct one - re. SARB's mandate. The left ONLY sees white monopoly capital, etc; the right ONLY Zuptas, etc, both unwilling to explore and challenge their own prejudices, preconceived ideas and misconceptions. 

State capture is real since shortly after 1994 but so is the narrow, selfish interests that BEFORE the elections created SA's post-apartheid economic model that emulated the exclusionary apartheid model (read Terreblanche) Jordan alludes to, which largely is the cause of dire socioeconomic conditions today. The problems Lipton, an objective outsider, mentioned and state capture are the opposite sides of the same coin. Endlessly debate it, you say? I told you no one listens. Et tu?