Gwen, I assumed as much - you're good folk I've no doubt. I was just using your organization's name as example of how, despite good intentions and deeds, inclusion of a descriptive adjective makes the group exclusive by intent and design. As such, it begs the question of why the organization deems it fit to represent a special segment of society, rather than applying their ethos to all people as seems more appropriate.  It means to me that you want to be treated as a black person, whatever that may mean (I confess I really don't know), as opposed to just as a person. We really won't make progress if we look at or treat each other as anything more than a fellow human. If you want to form your own culture (or religious or whatever) group, go for it, but don't look to me to support you if I'm not a member of that particular class (though we all come from the same gene pool in northern Africa). I need more schooling from you on this.