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Good morning everybody. How are you? So, you had 

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a nice time I think over the weekend to enjoy 

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yourself and then to study, huh? Okay, good. Just 

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studying? No, you're kidding. Good. Today, you 

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know, we are going to see Raleigh's reply to 

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Marlow. So those who debated here for not going, 

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they're giving more credit today. See? Those who 

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said, no, I'm not going, they're giving more 

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credit. And those who said, I want to go, they are 

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in a difficult situation. So they have to think of a 

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new poem, of a reply to the reply itself. 

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Yes, Raleigh, I mean, this poem, like a lot of 

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poets, wrote a reply to this. The most famous one 

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is Raleigh's Reply. And there is a reply, as you 

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see. I don't want to forget the report and the 

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response, of course, and to go through the poem. 

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So let's just start by a nice report. And yes? 

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When I remember the previous lecture, I began to 

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think, does that poem have a special taste by 

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having important and simple lengths? That was the 

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first question that pops to my mind when I read the 

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poem for the first time. Then after attending the 

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previous lecture, I discovered that this poem was 

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too nice. As usual, from the very beginning, two 

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students set the reports. But unfortunately, I 

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forgot to begin with I forget to bring with me the 

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report I wrote. We continued our lecture by 

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criticizing it and giving more analysis. So we 

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began to think deeply and activated our minds by 

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sharing in that process. After that, the teacher 

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discussed the poem widely by asking some 

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questions. Consequently, I encouraged myself by 

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answering one question and taking a position. Mr. 

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Habib ordered us to write a paragraph about the 

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main theme. So, we began to write the paragraph, 

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but not too deep. To conclude, that lecture was too 

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interesting and short that we felt unhappiness and 

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did not like to conclude. Okay, thank you very 

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much for having this feeling about the last class. 

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If anybody has another feeling, we don't mind. I 

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might need another, you know, report in which like 

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some absent students need to justify their 

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absence. Ola, do you have a report? Did you 

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watch them and you wrote about that? Okay, you 

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should have written, you know. Okay, the response. 

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Response to Raleigh. Yes. 

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Yes, you can. 

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Hello everybody. One day I woke up early then I 

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opened my window to see myself. Okay, could you 

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raise your voice please? One day I woke up early 

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then I opened my window to see a nice birds with 

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nice singing. When I looked at the sunshine I 

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heard a strange voice appealing, come live with me 

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and be my love. I looked to him and asked him, me, 

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you mean me? Yes, come with me and be my love. 

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What? What will you do to me to be your love? He 

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began to verse with me by nice words. We will sit 

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up on the rocks, seeing the shepherds feed their 

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flocks. I will make the bed of roses and a 

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thousand fragrant roses, a cup of flowers and 

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kerchief. 

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During his speech, another voice shouted aloud and 

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interrupted him. Don't believe him. He is a liar 

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man. I turn to him and ask him why you said that? 

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He will give me everything and make me and make my 

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life relaxed and nice and full of love. Also, he 

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will challenge everything to make me his love. 

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Please listen to me. Okay, what? their guns, their 

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shoes, their beds of roses, their girls, their 

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characters and their bosses. Soon it breaks, soon 

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withers, soon forgotten, and fully ripe and 

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reasonably rotten. Oh, my head will explode. 

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Marlow's words are romantic and it calls for a 

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happy life, and he uses an old pastoral style with 

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gifts and promises of a rural life, and he keeps 

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giving me promises in order to encourage me to 

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come with him. He thinks that the rural life is 

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the ideal one, so everything will be good. On the 

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other contrary, Ghali's reply is pessimistic and 

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much more realistic. He debunks the idea of 

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pastoral love because time is the destroyer of 

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everything and it cannot be controlled. As he 

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said, time drives blocks from fields to fold. 

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Here, Raleigh is inviting Marlow to stop dreaming 

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and be realistic because everything is immortal. 

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And this is the end of everything, including love. 

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Really, I'm very tired from both. So I will close 

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my window and go to my bed again. Okay, thank you 

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for the creative idea of writing your response. 

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It's very interesting. I know like some of you 

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started to lose interest in Marlo's poem because 

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of this poem. But still, like those who debated 

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for Marlo, they are looking at me and saying, no, 

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we haven't lost interest. Anyway, you know, let me 

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just like ask a couple of you, how did you feel 

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when you read Marlo? Yeah. Were you okay? Did you 

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get, like, convinced? How did you feel? It's about 

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your response. Yes or what? I felt that we are on 

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the earth. We are on the earth. We're no longer 

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flying, you know, with Marlow's golden promises. 

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Okay. Very good. I like this expression. Okay. 

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Yes? I think he exaggerated this and he is a You 

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know, Raleigh is exaggerating, you know? So life 

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is not like this, you know? Okay, he seems to be 

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realistic, but he's too much exaggerating reality. 

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Very good. 

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Now this is a rally No, Marlowe. Marlowe, yeah. 

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But like here, Raleigh, how do you feel about 

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Raleigh's response? To convince him or to 

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convince, to make the reader know that anything 

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is not as depicted by Marlowe. Thank you. So he 

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wrote this in order like to ridicule Marlowe. He 

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wrote this in order to show that Marlowe was 

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wrong, was not telling the truth. Yes, please. I 

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think Raleigh was right because love and even the 

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word can still 

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So you think that Raleigh 

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is more convincing? 

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Both Milo and Brian, they had the two extremes, 

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but there's nothing in the middle. Like, I felt 

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like they're both taking two extremes, but there's 

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something in the middle. Like, he was a bit 

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realistic, but he was too realistic and too, like, 

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complicated. So you think, you know, there's 

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something in the middle. I mean, in our life, we 

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have to maintain a balance between two ways of 

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life. This is what you, you know, like, so we need 

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to debate, of course, to have a fair party. But 

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anyway. I don't know. Have you read the poem 

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aloud? How is it like, does it have the singing 

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tone of, yes? Yeah. Who wants like to, to tell me 

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how she read the poem? And you come here and like 

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you read the poem and it's in front of you. 

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I don't know. Would you like if all the world and 

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love were like this? I don't know. So, would it be 

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like what? All the words and love were young and 

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truth in every shepherd's tongue. These pretty 

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pleasures might be more to live with thee and be 

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thy love. Rana, do you want to give yourself? 

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Okay, you can. Yeah, yeah. You can come here. No, 

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just okay. 

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I'm not in the class right now. Did we take this 

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poem? Yeah, of course. Yeah? I don't remember. 

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Yeah, go ahead. Okay. If all the world and love 

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were young, and truth in every shepherd's tongue, 

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these pretty pleasures might we move, to live with 

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thee and be thy love. Time drives the flocks from 

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field to fold, when rivers rage and rocks grow 

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old, and ... 

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And the philomel becomes dumb, the rest complains 

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of cares to come. The flowers do fade and wanton 

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fields to wayward winter reckoning yields. A honey 

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tongue, a heart of gall is fancy spring, but 

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sorrows fall. Okay. What? Thy gowns. Thy gowns, 

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thy shoes, thy beds of roses, thy cap, thy curdle, 

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and thy posies. 

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Soon break. Soon break, soon wither, soon 

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forgotten, in folly ripe, in season rotten. Thy 

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belt of straw and ivy buds, thy coral clasp and 

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amber studs. All these in me no means can move to 

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come to thee and be thy love. But could youth last 

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and love still breathe? Had joys no date nor age 

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no need? Then these delights my mind might move to 

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live with thee and be thy love. Thank you very 

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much. How romantic. Thank you. Yeah, I know the 

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word philomel was a problem. Okay, philomel 

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nightingale, the nightingale. It is a metonymy of 

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joy, of happiness. In fact, it's an image, but it 

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is not a nightingale. It's a full moon because it 

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seems like Raleigh does not want to imply anything 

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or to hint to anything beautiful because he's 

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interested in showing the other side of life. In 

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fact, the way she read it is very good, but I have 

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to read it and listen. If all the world and love 

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were young, and truth in every shepherd's tongue, 

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these pretty pleasures might be moved to live with 

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thee and be thy love. Time drives the flocks from 

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field to fold. When rivers rage and rocks grow old 

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and philomel becomes dumb, there is complaints of 

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cares to come. The flowers do fade and wanton 

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feels to weigh word winter reckoning yields. A 

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honey tongue, a heart of gold, is fancy spring, 

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but soon is fall. Thy gowns, thy shoes, thy bed of 

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roses, thy cap, thy kirtle, and thy poses soon 

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break, soon wither, soon forgotten. In fall 

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arrived, in season rotten. Thy belt of straw, thy 

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belt of straw and ivy buds, thy coral clasp and 

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amber studs, all these in me no means can move to 

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say that. Thank you very much. So here the point

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is like usually the assumption or if the

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hypothesis is hypothesis. Now here she does not

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speak French. This is the fact. So, the assumption

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or the hypothesis is usually contrary to the fact.

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So, if Amal spoke, it means that she doesn't

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speak. Now, if I say, the word and love are not

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enough. Okay? So, you know, I can come with you,

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or so I cannot come with you. Okay? So how do you

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want to do it? The word and love are not enough.

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So how would you do it? Let me do it in a simple

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way. My sister is not in Cairo, so I cannot meet

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her there. Can you use... Okay, let me like use

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this here She is not In 

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Cairo, sorry. So 

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It escapes me, you know? 

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What's happening is not in Cairo, so we won't see

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the pyramids.

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Can you use F? 

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Can you use F? Yes? 

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Excellent. Yes. If she were in Cairo, we what?

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Yes, excellent. If you know, if she were, it means

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she's not. She's in Cairo. No, I mean, okay, let's

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see. We are in the class. So we can understand the

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lesson. Can you use F? If we were not in the 

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class, it means we are in class. So I think

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understanding the F sentence will help us to 

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understand the poem. Let's go to the poem again 

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and start. analyzing, explaining it, because, you

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know, next time, I want you to see this poem as a 

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parody. So before, like seeing this as a parody,

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let's like understand it, you know, more and more.

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You know, it starts, as you see, the poem starts.

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Okay. 

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It starts with F, if all the word and love were

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young. So what does it mean? What does he want to 

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say? What does he want to say? Yes? The word and

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love are not enough. You know, the word and love,

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like these things, which are earthly things, are 

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not forever, are not immortal.

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You know, they are old and what is old is going to 

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decay. This is what he wants to say. If all the 

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word and love were young and truth in every 

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shepherd's tongue. So what does he want to say 

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here? That the word and love are not enough and 

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the shepherds are liars. Look, this is a slap. I 

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saw a video, you know, like Raleigh and Marlow.

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You can see it on the YouTube. He was slapping

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him, you know, like this. Like, look here how he's 

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slapping him. Like the word and love are not 

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enough. And you are liars. You know, how come?

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Like the shepherds are liars. I think some of you 

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will start feeling sympathy for Marlow. It's okay.

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That's why we don't want to take. Then these 

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pretty pleasures might be moved to live with thee 

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and be thy love. Now it's very important to see

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who's talking because this is like according to

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Raleigh, she is the lady. So as you see, the lady

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here is what? Is she? Yeah. How would you describe

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her attitude? Yes. Yeah. So she is convinced not 

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to go and she seems to be, you know, she doesn't

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believe. So she is what we call cynical. I like 

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the word cynical means, you know, unwilling to go.

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Cynical means suspicious. 

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Yeah. She's cynical. She's skeptic.

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Skeptic is written in two ways. You know, it could

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be written with C as well. Okay. She's skeptic.

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She doesn't believe what he says. If all the word

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and love were young and truth in every shepherd's 

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tongue, these pretty pleasures might me move to 

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come with thee and thee, you know, and be thy 

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love. So we see, like the lady here, is unwilling. 

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She's reluctant. 

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But you know why? You cannot refuse without

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justifying,

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without warranting like what you have just said. 

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Time drives the flux from field to fold. Time. 

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Time, we saw in Spencer, time and tide, you know? 

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Time was metonymy or is metonymy of what? Death. 

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Look at this image. It's a very frightening image, 

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isn't it? Imagine time as being, you know, a power 

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which sweeps everything you know, from flux, you

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know, the flux from field to fold. So let's see if 

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we accept that, you know, time is a metonymy of,

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you know, time here is a metonymy of death. So

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flux would be a metonymy of what? Of people. And 

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field would be a metonymy of what? Okay, thank 

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you. Yeah, I don't know. Yes. So time here, as we 

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said, it's a metonymy of death, drives, like it's 

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a verb, the flux. Metonymy of people, field, life, 

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unfold, grave. Let's look at this line. Imagine 

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life, imagine time, like a shepherd or like

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somebody who's violent, driving the flux from

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field to fold. Death is merciless. This is what he 

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wants to say. Death drives the flux from field to

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fold. Look at the cluster of consonants. How? 

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Yeah. The time thrives. Look at the word thrives, 

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you know, it's hard. You know, the choice of words 

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do not show the smoothness of like we saw in 

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Marlow. We don't see the melody. We don't see the 

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soft tunes we saw in Marlow. Drives. Time drives

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the flux, harshness. This harshness in like the 

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sound is parallel to the harshness of life itself.

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Time drives the flux from field to fold. Very sad

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image. The F sound. It shows how it is 

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frightening, how he is intimidated by this idea. 

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This idea is very intimidating, very frightening. 

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And then, when would this happen? When rivers rage

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and rocks grow all cold. Reflect on this image

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when rivers rage. It's an image which is similar.

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Like this image is a biblical image, in fact. You

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know, it's an image, you know, about the doomsday,

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when like there will be flood, when rivers rage. I

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mean, rivers, it's a metonymy of seas, rivers, 

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oceans. When they rage, when they get angry, you 

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know, this is a personal occasion. When rivers 

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rage and rocks grow cold. A rock stands for

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anything, you know, strong. But in this upheaval, 

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in this change, in this upheaval, everything will

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be upside down. When rivers rage and rocks grow,

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look here, the air sound. It shows how harsh, how 

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difficult. When rivers rage and rocks grow cold

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and filament, and filament becomes damp. A

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filament, what do you think? It's a methanol of 

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what? Yes, thank you. It's a metonymy of the poet,

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because a philomel is the one who sings. Now, what 

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will happen to the philomel at this? It will die. 

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It will be speechless. And philomel becomes dumb.

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The rest complains of curse to come. Like the 

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rest, those who were not touched, they would be 

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waiting for more care to come. Very frightening.

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Then, I mean, Raleigh started to look more closely 

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at the poem and say, the flowers. Now with this,

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in this reality, what will happen to the flowers?

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The flowers do fade. Again, the F sound. Do fade.

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And wanton feels, playful feels, to way where 

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winter reckoning yields, like they will die. To

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way where winter, way we're dying. You know, they 

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will be dying. And look here, everything will be

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reversed. A honey tongue, what will the honey 

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tongue be? Yeah? A heart of gold. So things will 

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be turned upside down. What is sweet will be 

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bitter. You know? A honey tongue is a heart of

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gold. It's fancy spring, but soon it's fall. So

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the beauty of spring will be transformed into 

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sorrow. This is like paraphrasing. 

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Then what would happen to your promises? Thy 

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gowns. Thy, not my. Look at her. This is very

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significant. Thy. Look at the repetition. Thy 

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gowns, thy shoes, thy bed of roses, thy cab, thy

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kertil, and thy poses. So this repetition of thy, 

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thy, Do you feel like when I say, thy gowns, thy 

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shoes, thy bed of roses, thy cap? You know, it

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creates a kind of monotony. What is monotony?

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Monotony is a boring thing. It's monotonous, you 

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know? Thy gowns, thy shoes, thy bed of roses, thy 

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cap, thy cartel, and thy poses. Again using thy 

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shows like The lady here, the nymph, is not 

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interested at all. She wants to disengage herself, 

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to disassociate herself from the whole, you know, 

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promises. Thy gowns, thy shoes, thy bed of roses.

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Look here, what was glittering, what was, you

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know, a lovely promise, what was, you know, 

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something golden. is losing its beauty now, is

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losing its shininess. Thy cap, thy kirtle, and thy 

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poses, soon break, soon wither, soon forgotten.

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You know, look at the repetition of soon, soon, 

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soon. You know, soon break, soon wither, soon

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forgotten. Yeah, like when you say soon, soon,

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what is like the repetition of the word soon?

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Yeah, it reflects what? Yes. Life is short.

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Excellent. You know, everything will come to an 

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end. So death is inevitable, you know. Death is 

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inevitable. It should come sooner or later. Soon

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break, soon wither, soon forgotten, infuriated, in

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season rotten. Everything will come to an end. And

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then she continues, Thy belt of straw and ivy 

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buds.

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What will happen to thy belt of straws? Thy coral 

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clasp and amber studs. with this new revelation, 

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with this new reality. All these in me, no means 

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can move. Look at her. No means, you know. She's

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very adamant. She's very reluctant to come to Thee

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and be Thy love. 

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dramatist. Do you remember any play he wrote? Yes?

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He wrote a couple of plays. The Jew of Malta, you

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know? Dr. Faustus and *The* Jew of Malta. And they said,

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had Marlowe lived longer, he would have surpassed

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Shakespeare. I wish, like, you know, you would

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have time to study *The* Jew of Malta or, you know,

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Dr. Faustus. Yeah. So, like, just, like, look at

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them, read, like, *The* Jew of Malta and see how,

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you know, he was trying to show, like, the danger

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of greed. He was an amazing writer. Okay. Now, the

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parody, we're going to discuss it next time. But

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if you like, I think here, we saw two poems. We

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saw two poems with different themes, with

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different tones, with different attitudes, with

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different images, you know? The alliteration here

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was different, like music. I mean, the music is

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the same, but the context is different. And this

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is what we discussed in the parody. So it is very

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important, like, you start thinking how to compare

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and to contrast. Okay? And this is what we have to

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do next time, to compare and contrast. Do you have

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any question? Okay. Do you have any questions?

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Okay.