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Good morning everybody. Okay, it's my pleasure to
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have you for the second poetry class. And as you
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see, today we're having here the class in this
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comfortable place, which I think is very suitable
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for a poetry class. As the norms of each class, I
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would like first to start by having your daily
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report. So I need one student to come here and to
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deliver her daily report. Today, I'm asking who is
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going to volunteer. Next time, I'm going to pick
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out randomly. Okay? Good. Please come here.
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You can come here.
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For the bells were rung, for the songs were sung,
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poetry class was announced to be open. Since the
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class was crowded and the apprehension was
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founded, everyone's compliment was raised as
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often. As some poetic terms have been implicated,
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formatting demands to be updated, the abstracted
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ears will be no more taken. From having
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definitions and the elements of aesthetics shared
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and the figures of speech were asked to be
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prepared to the video tape our class would be
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chosen. To those who are concerned about the
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matter of marks, you will have your test while
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having some snacks. You will have it done even you
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have no pen. OK. I think this is very amazing.
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It's nice to have such a report in poetic form.
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And this shows how some of you, right from the
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very beginning, are interested in poetry. And this
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personally thrills me. So good. I don't want to
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ask for another report. Later, as I told you, I
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might pick out randomly. As today, as you see, we
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have poetry criticism. This is class number two.
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You see, the title is, we'll continue this series
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until next week, Reading and Talking About Poetry.
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I would like to start by summarizing what I'm
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going to say in this class. So at the beginning,
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there will be a summary of the previous class.
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Then, we're going to talk about poetry, and then
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reading poetry. Okay, let's see. What was last
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class? I think last class we tried to elicit your
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response to the question I gave you earlier. What
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is poetry? And I was very happy when you came up
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with like different definitions, mainly the famous
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Wordsworthian definition. Poetry was spontaneous
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overflow of powerful feelings. And we tried to
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look into that definition and we realized how it
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was paradoxical. And the paradox which was there
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in that statement shows that how poets are
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craftsmen. They do a lot of craftsmanship when
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they write poetry. And then we talked about other
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definitions, and those definitions made us able to
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demarcate poetry as a different genre. We started
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to talk about rhyme, rhythm, assonance,
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alliteration, etc. So these are the features like
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which we might be interested while having this
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course. I know this course, as I told you from the
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very beginning, this course is a course in reading
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poetry. But it is a course in reading this poetry
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in the context of its culture, in the context of
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its history. But as you see, it is difficult, and
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this is what will take us to this point, is
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talking about poetry. It is difficult to talk
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about poetry in a very impulsive manner. I mean,
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we have to be aware what, you know, we are
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talking, what language we are talking. Right,
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talking about poetry. In fact, there are two ways
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we can talk about poetry. I don't know, like when
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I ask you to talk about a poem, You might say,
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okay, I like this poem. It's very interesting. It
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appeals to me. Another student say, okay, I like
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this metaphor. Now I want you to bring these two
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things. Like when you say this is a metaphor, if
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you identify that this is a metaphor, it means
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like you realize that there is a specialized
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language important. So, when you talk about
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poetry, you have to be aware of this special
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language. But when we talk about the meaning, you
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know, we are using a general language. So, if you
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talk about a certain metaphor, okay, it's good to
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realize that this is a metaphor. But it is not
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enough to identify the metaphor. You have to say
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how this metaphor serves the meaning, you know, in
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a special context. I know this is like very
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abstract, and you need some examples, okay? Now,
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if you look at this example, you know, Wordsworth,
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it says, the city now does like a garment wear the
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beauty of the morning. If we look closely at this
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line, We see that there is a kind of comparison.
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What is he comparing? Can anybody tell me what is
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he comparing? Is he comparing something to
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something else? The city now doth like a garment
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wear the beauty of the morning. Yes.
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So the city is wearing a garment. What is the
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garment? What is the garment exactly here? It is
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compared to the beauty of the morning. So this is
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what we call a simile. For example, my friend is
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like a lion.
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This is a kind of simile in which we compare one
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thing with another thing. Now here, as you see in
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this poem, Wordsworth compares the beauty of the
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morning to a garment which is dressed. Now, when
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we want to talk about poetry,
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have to say, in this life, it's very important to
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see how this simile expresses the extent of
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happiness the people in this city enjoy at this
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moment. Okay? So here, you're mixing between the
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specialized language with the general language. So
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this is what I expect. You later when we are
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doing, when we are reading some poems, we are
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going like to, you know, mix between the
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specialized language and, you know, the general
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language. Okay. Now we're going to move to another
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point. Sorry.
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This is another example. Also, it shows us how we
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can mix. Dylan Thomas is a famous English poet,
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and one of his poems entitled A Grief Ago, he was
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lamenting the death of his wife,
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and he used this like a grief ago. the poem by
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saying agrifago. Now, it's very interesting
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because do we say in ordinary language agrifago?
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So here, this is very poetic. It is very poetic by
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the norm of its deviation from the normal use of
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language. If we look at this a grief ago, usually
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we say one day ago, two days ago, three days ago,
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but we never say a grief ago. And like a grief is
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like a day. So there is here a kind of metaphor.
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It's a metaphor. You have here what we call
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syntactic deviation because in grammar, We often
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say a day ago, two days ago, three days ago, and
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we have semantic deviation. Why? Because grief is
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being compared, you know, to days. So here, like
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the metaphor shows how the poet is obsessed with
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this sense of sadness and agony. Okay? You see
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here, again, this is another example We can
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combine both, you know, specialized language and
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general language.
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Okay, reading poetry. This course, or in this
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course, we're going to read a lot of poems. And we
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are going, as we explained in the outline, we're
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going to respond to the poems.
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Be aware of what we are doing when we read poetry.
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I know through my experience as a student and even
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as a teacher, the first time you look at your
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poem, you become a little bit repulsive, aversive.
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You don't want to read. You know, it's, what is
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this? And I want you to dismiss this feeling. I
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want you to approach the poem with, you know, a
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sense of alacrity, psychological readiness. I want
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you to be open-minded, to look at the poem, and to
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read the poem aloud, as you see here. Reading the
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poem aloud is very important. You have to read the
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poem aloud many times, just not one time. And you
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should vary. Sometimes you read it slowly, you
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concentrate on words. And then you vary the speed.
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You speed up to make it sound like what it was
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meant by the poet himself. Some people can record
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the poem. I did this many times, and it was
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lovely. You can also get, nowadays, I think we are
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blessed because we have all these electronic
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resources so we can harness these resources by
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downloading, you know, some poems written by
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native speakers or even by the poets themselves.
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Now let's give an example about reading a poem.
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How to read a poem. Now this poem, as you see,
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Some of you might not say it's a poem, you know,
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because is it a poem? Yeah. Like, look at you, you
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are surprised. I think a good poem, you know, is
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the poem that induces in us a sense of surprise.
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Some might gloss over this poem by saying, 40 love
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middle-aged couples playing tennis. When they go
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home and, you know, when they go home, the net
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will still be between them. It is like reading,
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you know, a statement without just like variation,
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without stressing. But if we have to read this as
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if it were a poem, and I think it is a poem, So
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how would you like to read it? Should I give you
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one minute and then you try reading it? Okay.
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I need a daring student who
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would like to come and say yes. Okay, I need
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another student, hold on.
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Yes? Okay, go ahead. Yeah, maybe. For me, it's
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playing couple. Couple?
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Playing?
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Okay,
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now this is like initial reading, but if you were
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to read it again, I don't think, you know, you're
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going to stick to this, you know, pace, you might
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change the pace. How would you like to change the
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pace? Is anybody trying to change the pace? Yes or
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no? of middle-aged couple playing tennis when the
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game ends and as they go home, the network is
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still between them. I bet it's a little bit
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musical. Does anybody think of like reading this
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poem? Forty love middle
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meaning. I think this is a legitimate question,
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but we don't have to be impatient. We have to
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read, you know, to see how the words, you know,
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leave some impact on us. We have to look at the
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poem closely to see how it is patterned, how it is
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formed. You know, what is happening in the poem,
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how the words, look here, if you look closely,
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chasm here or this space. Do we have this? This is
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like Arabic. And if you look closer, we don't have
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like, look at the words here, tinness. It is, it
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is what? Fragmented. It is in two pieces. Look at
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the word. Have you noticed this? Yeah, between
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like even them. So we might say, what is this poem
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talking about? And who are involved? What is this
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poem talking about? Have you asked yourself what
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is it about? I know. What is it about? Yes? It
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might be... So we are talking about a couple, a
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man and a woman?
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So they are playing a game. This is what the poem
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tells us. When we read the poem, and when we look
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at the poem more closely, we start to ask, is it a
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friendly game? Or is it a game which involves some
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sense of rivalry, like somebody's competing? Is it
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a poem which holds in itself some feeling of
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acrimony? Because here, as you see, it is Not
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very, is it friendly? Like, how do you know it's
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not friendly? How do you know it's not friendly?
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Yes? For 40 love. Yeah, what do you mean 40 love?
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Like if there's a friendly relationship between
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them. Yeah, like 40 love is a friendly
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relationship, okay? But you know, in tennis, love
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means zero. So, I don't know, look, whether you
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have, yeah, 40 laps. So, it might, yes?
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So,
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yes, there is a barrier. You know, the Pope says
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the net will be still there. And I, again, if we
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look at how the words are patterned, like how the
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words are fragmented, we see that this is like a
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very you know, unhealthy relationship, you know,
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because there is a separation. So I don't want to
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go deeper in like to this poem. I'll be giving you
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another example how we should read the poem and
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how we should look at the words, the certain
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patterns of the word, and then how to form these
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questions. These questions will help us
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Or I would say possible thematic meanings, because
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I don't want like to be, you know, just like
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saying this is about this. So as we said, you
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know, poetry has multiple meanings. It is not
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referential, but rather representation. Okay? So
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let's move to the second example. And I bet you're
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going to find it as funny as, even more funny than
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the first one. Good. You need somebody to read
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this. Okay? More polemic? Yeah, you started
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laughing. I don't know, it might be chemistry. So
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look here, you laughed. Isn't nobody afraid? Are
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you afraid?
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Okay, very good. Like, do you want to read it? Go
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ahead. N-N-T-T N-N-T-T-N T-N-N T-N-N T-N T-N T-N T
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-N T-N T-N T-N T-N T-N T-N T-N T-N T-N T-N T-N T-N
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T-N T-N T-N T-N T-N T-N T-N
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Ah, good.
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Thank you very much. Okay. It's fun, isn't it?
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Yeah. But like when you read the poem, You didn't
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feel it. You didn't imbue it, charge it with any
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sentiment. So you were reading as if you were
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reading a piece of news. So reading poetry
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requires that we put some sentiments, we put some
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feelings. Okay? So is anybody going to add
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feelings, sentiments? Yeah, come on.
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Go ahead.
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Yes? I know it's funny. So let me just like read
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it. An-an, chi-chi. An-an, chi-chi, chi-chi-chi,
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an-an. Chi-chi, an-an, chi-an. Chi-an, chi-an, chi
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-an, chi-an, an-chi. An-chi, an-chi, an-chi, an.
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Ti-an. An-ti. An-ti. An-ti-an. An-ti-an-ti-an-ti
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-an. Ti-ti. An-an. Ti-ti. An-an. Ti-ti. Ti-ti. An
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-an. Ti-ti. Ti-an. An-an. An-an-an-an-an-an-an? An
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-an-an-an-an-an. Ti-ti-ti. Ti-ti-ti. Ti-ti-ti. Ti
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-ti-ti. Very funny. You like it? Oh, look here.
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Thank you. You started to like poetry. And is
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anybody worried? Thank you. Nobody's worried? You
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want me to bring this in the exam and to ask you,
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what is this poem about?
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But look at me, like I interacted with the poem.
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And as you felt at the end of the poem, You know,
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it was a little bit sad. Why? Because, as you see,
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an-an-an, you know, it's taking side, and the chi
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-chi-chi is taking side. So, we might say, hey,
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what is this poem about? Okay? Let's guess, you
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know, for fun, what this poem might be about.
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Because, you know, in this course, poetry course,
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I don't want you to end the poem by saying this
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poem is about. It might be about. It might be
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about this. It might be about that. And sometimes
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when we reach the intended meaning of the poem, we
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might lose the poem. We might lose the beauty of
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the poem. So I think poets would be very happy
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when they see that their poems spoon, generate
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multiple meanings. I met some poets, and when I
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started, like, to interpret certain words, they
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started, like, to be amazed. I didn't think of
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that. They were very happy. So, I think even for
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us, like, when we learn, yes, we have to figure
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out different meanings. What do you think? What is
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it about? Yes?
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Yeah, it could be two Chinese, you know, they are
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fighting with each other. Very good. Thank you.
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Could be. Yes.
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Yeah, it could be a conflict between two friends,
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you know, Khalid and his friend and they are doing
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this. It could be. Yes. Could be. Yeah, thank you.
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It could be between two countries, like, you know,
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they're fighting, they are always in conflictual
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relation, like what happened between Iran and
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Iraq. Thank you very much.
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It's a church. A child, like it could be a nursery
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rhyme, like, good, thank you. Yes.
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A couple, a wife and husband fighting each other.
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You know, they keep like their life is full of
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wrangling dispute. You know, it could be like they
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are not on good terms. Good. Yes.
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Suffered from? Flu. Yeah, very good. I haven't
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thought of that. It could be good. And then, you
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know, keep doing this. And there is no doctor like
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to prescribe medicine for him. Good. Thank you.
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But like, it's very interesting to hear maybe. I
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want to ask what made you reach this? But when you
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say maybe it's about this, is it the sound? Is it
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the word on the page? Is it the arrangement? So
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what makes you come to this interpretation?
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Yeah? The sound itself. Thank you. The sound. The
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words like am and chi, how they sometimes, the
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words are reciprocal and sometimes they are not.
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When I say reciprocal, like you see am, am, chi,
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chi, they reciprocate. They reciprocate, they
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change, you know, the communication is reciprocal.
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I say good morning, you say good morning. But if I
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say good morning and you stop, there is no
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reciprocation or reciprocity, sorry. So it's not
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reciprocal. Good. Yes? The number of the words,
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yes. Yeah, the repetition is, you know, like the
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number of the lines. Okay. What does the
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repetition tell you, like, that this is what? What
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interpretation did you come up with?
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two countries because you know we have like an and
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chi and all the time they are repeated yeah that's
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why so this duality of like because we have two
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words this duality thought you that this might be
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a conflict between two countries or you know a
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conflict uh you know between a man and a woman you
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know or a friend and another friend mother and
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daughter I don't think a mother and daughter would
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suffer such a relationship. The mother-daughter is
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very intimate, matriarchal relationship. The
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happiest creature in the world would be the mother
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when she sees her daughter. So we're not talking
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about this. Good. Have you thought of another like
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meaning? rather than this. Somebody told me
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yesterday, I see the word chain, which is
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negative. See? And like this led me to think, yes,
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is the poem positive or negative? Okay? Is it
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positive or negative? So again, as you see, these
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questions are very important. We ask question, who
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is speaking to whom? What is this about? And why
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are the words arranged in this way? Why, you know,
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for example, the beginning is different from the
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end. Look at the beginning, you know, the
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arrangement is different. At the beginning, like,
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you know, the M and the G are interchangeable. But
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here, You see? You see everybody is taking side.
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So this might make us come to the conclusion that
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this is a negative. It is a conflictual
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relationship which ended by this crisis. There is
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a sense of crisis here. Okay? So it could be like
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a crisis in, you know, a family relation between a
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husband and a woman, between a country and another
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country, you know? I don't know. It might have
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different meanings. But some student told me,
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don't you think this is about a jolting, a car
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jolting in the morning? You know, uh-uh, gee-gee,
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you know? So I was amazed by the number of
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interpretations the students gave to this poem,
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and they started to talk. Look here, you know, I
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started to have what we call in politics some
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rapprochement attempts, to rapproche, to become
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close together. So they started talking, they
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started visiting each other, exchanging visits,
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having banquets. But what happened, gradually,
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this relation started to be strained, to be
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weakened, and it ended with this crisis. So the
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poet, like the English poet, wanted to record that
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experience. And as we said in the previous
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lecture, poets respond in their own ways to daily
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experiences. Like this is a daily experience. Like
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he responded by writing this poem. But what did he
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do in order? How did he, like here the question is
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how we encode our experience. I think he encoded
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his experience by just having these two words. He
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looked at the zoo of London, there was a panda
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animal called Qi, and the zoo of Moscow, there was
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another panda called An. So he thought it might be
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Wonderful, a good idea to represent this situation
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or this crisis situation in politics by having
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this funny and interesting patterning. I know some
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of you are not happy now. Why? Because we narrowed
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the poem to the intended meaning of the poet. And
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I think the poet would not be very happy as well.
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So I think in this course I'm going to give you
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space, freedom to express yourself, like to figure
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out different interpretations to any poem, even
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like they will establish themes of certain poems
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we are going to study. This course is to make you
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widen your critical perception. We are not going
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to rule out certain interpretations and say,
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that's it. No. So, I mean, when we read poems, you
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might, for example, disagree with us, but the most
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important thing is to bring together the
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specialized language and the
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general language. Any questions so far?
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Good. So next time, we're going to read, to start
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the course by reading Sir Thomas Wyatt and his
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poem, Who's a Lost Hunt. But in order to prepare,
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I told you, you should read something about the
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historical background. I left for you in the
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reader, in the pamphlet, a biography about the
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poet, something about courtly love, because it's
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very important to know what is courtly love, and
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then to read the poem. And before pinning your
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response, it is very important to read the poem
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several times. I don't know how would you read it,
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but I don't want you to read it as if you were
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reading a newspaper. You might read it in
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different ways until the poem makes sense. And
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after that, you have to start writing your
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response. I know that your initial response might
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not be deep, but it is a response which I would
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evaluate and perhaps develop in the class. Okay?
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So somebody might say, what should we write? You
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can say, okay. Like, after having enough
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background about the life of the poet, and, you
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know, after understanding that he was a famous
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courtier, I became more interested in, you know,
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reading his poetry. And when I read this poem, you
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know, Hossein Ostouhan, I started, like, to see,
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like, something different. I started to see how
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the poet was frustrated, disappointed because of
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this and that. You see what I mean? And I would
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see this, you can bring it like a hard copy and at
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the same time prepare a soft copy because we might
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put this on the page. So until then, I wish you
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good luck and thank you very much for listening to
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me, okay?