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From: [email protected] (Joseph Look) Subject: Bar code fonts Organization: Tektronix, Inc. Lines: 3 I am looking for some bar code fonts especially code 3 of 9. Did anybody know any ftp sites or BBS that I can download these types of fonts? Please email to me if you have any info. Thanks!

From: [email protected] (Gregory Bean) Subject: Help! Which bikes are short? Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO Lines: 18 Help! I've got a friend shopping for her first motorcycle. This is great! Unfortunately, she needs at most a 28" seat. This is not great. So far, the only thing we've found was an old and unhappy-looking KZ440. So, it's time to tap the collective memory of all the denizens out there. Anybody know of models (old models and used bikes are not a problem) with a 28" or lower seat? And, since she has to make this difficult ( 8-) ), she would prefer not to end up with a cruiser. So there's bonus points for listing tiny standards. I seem to remember a thread with a point similar to this passing through several months ago. Did anybody keep that list? Thanks! -- Gregory Bean DoD #580 [email protected] "In fact, everything's got that big reverb sound..."

From: [email protected] (Cyberman) Subject: CRT driver transistors Lines: 28 X-Maildoor: WaflineMail 1.00r Device........ LT1839 @ IC (mA)..... 50 V(BR)CEO (V).. 70 CCB (pF)...... 2.5 V(BR)CBO (V).. 120 VCE (V)....... 15 IC (mA) max... 300 Polarity...... NPN hFE min....... 20 Package....... 79-04 hFE max....... 60 Material...... Metal fT (GHz)...... 1 Price (100+).. Device........ LT5839 @ IC (mA)..... 60 V(BR)CEO (V).. 65 CCB (pF)...... 1.5 V(BR)CBO (V).. 80 VCE (V)....... 10 IC (mA) max... 300 Polarity...... PNP hFE min....... 15 Package....... 79-04 hFE max....... 60 Material...... Metal fT (GHz)...... 1.5 Price (100+).. @ VCE (V)..... 10 Anyone know of a source for these parts (other than straight from Motorolla)? I need 4 Lt1839's and 2 Lt5839 I've tried standard and they said "We are out!" Stephen [email protected] Mangled on Fri 04-16-1993 at 13:50:28 ... If there's one thing I can't stand, it's intolerance. --- * Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 *

From: [email protected] (David F. Newman) Subject: arcade style buttons and joysticks Organization: Division of Academic Computing, Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115 USA Lines: 8 Hi there, Can anyone tell me where it is possible to purchase controls found on most arcade style games. Many projects I am working on would be greatly augmented if I could implement them. Thanx in advance. -Dave [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Joerg Wunsch) Subject: About the various DXF format questions Organization: SaxNet, Dresden, Germany Lines: 25 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: sax.sax.de Summary: List of sites holding documentation of DXF format Keywords: DXF, graphics formats Archie told me the following sites holding documentation about DXF: Host nic.funet.fi (128.214.6.100) Last updated 15:11 7 Apr 1993 Location: /pub/csc/graphics/format FILE rwxrwxr-- 95442 Dec 4 1991 dxf.doc Host rainbow.cse.nau.edu (134.114.64.24) Last updated 17:09 1 Jun 1992 Location: /graphics/formats FILE rw-r--r-- 95442 Mar 23 23:31 dxf.doc Host ftp.waseda.ac.jp (133.9.1.32) Last updated 00:47 5 Apr 1993 Location: /pub/data/graphic FILE rw-r--r-- 39753 Nov 18 1991 dxf.doc.Z -- J"org Wunsch, ham: dl8dtl : [email protected] If anything can go wrong... : ...or: .o .o : [email protected],[email protected], <_ ... IT WILL! : [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Robert Beauchaine) Subject: Re: "Cruel" (was Re: <Political Atheists?) Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or. Lines: 20 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: > >But we were discussing it in relation to the death penalty. And, the >Constitution need not define each of the words within. Anyone who doesn't >know what cruel is can look in the dictionary (and we did). > Or, with no dictionary available, they could gain first hand knowledge by suffering through one of your posts. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine [email protected] They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

From: [email protected] (Steve A. Conroy x6172) Subject: Re: Darrrrrrrrryl Organization: SAIC Lines: 33 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Mark Singer) writes: |> |> |> The media is beating the incident at Dodger Stadium on Wednesday to |> death, but I haven't seen anything in rsb yet. |> |> Gerald Perry of the Cardinals pinch hit in the eighth inning with two |> on and his club down by a run. He stroked a line drive into the |> right field corner. The ball cleared the three-foot high fence and |> went into the crowd. Darryl, racing over from right center, got to |> the spot in time to reach his glove up over the short fence, but he |> missed the ball. A fan sitting in the front row, wearing a mitt, |> reached up and caught the ball. Home run. |> |> Now I've seen the replay several times and I have concluded that |> Darryl missed the ball, and that the fan's glove was essentially |> behind Darryl's. Several Dodger fans with seats in the immediate |> vicinity have claimed that the fan unquestionably interfered with |> Strawberry. What cannot be disputed, however, is that the fan |> who caught the ball never took his eye off it; he was oblivious |> to where the fielder was playing. He was also quite exuberant as |> soon as he realized he had made the catch. |> |> [Stuff about Daryl and Tommy and everyone blaming fan for the loss deleted] I saw the replay several times too. No question about it. Daryl missed the ball, *then* the fan caught it. Daryl is so tall that he had the first shot at the ball. Daryl's just whining again. I think it shows a lack of class when Tommy, Daryl and the Dodgers blame a single fan for losing the game. What about the pitcher who threw up the gopher ball? What about the pitchers that gave up 6 runs up to that point? Sorry, Tommy. If it were a 2-1 game and Daryl was 5 feet 2 inches tall, then maybe - just maybe - you'd have an argument.

From: [email protected] (Glen Fullmer) Subject: Needed: Plotting package that does... Nntp-Posting-Host: dolphin Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group, Motorola, Inc. Comments: Hyperbole mail buttons accepted, v3.07. Lines: 27 Looking for a graphics/CAD/or-whatever package on a X-Unix box that will take a file with records like: n a b p where n = a count - integer a = entity a - string b = entity b - string p = type - string and produce a networked graph with nodes represented with boxes or circles and the vertices represented by lines and the width of the line determined by n. There would be a different line type for each type of vertice. The boxes need to be identified with the entity's name. The number of entities < 1000 and vertices < 100000. It would be nice if the tool minimized line cross-overs and did a good job of layout. ;-) I have looked in the FAQ for comp.graphics and gnuplot without success. Any ideas would be appreciated? Thanks, -- Glen Fullmer, [email protected], (407)364-3296 ******************************************************************************* * "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence * * over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard P. Feynman * *******************************************************************************

From: [email protected] (Gary Graffagnino) Subject: Isles / Hockey Ramblings Lines: 43 Well, the Patrick Division got a little more interesting last night. The Islanders lost in OT and the Devils tied the Pens. That means if the Isles beat the Devils on Friday, the will meet the Caps in the playoffs. However, I have some more comments on the Islanders and hockey in general that I need to get off my chest :). First of all, with the Islanders back-to-back lackluster performances against the Whalers, one may think that the Islanders are out of shape. These guys always suck wind in the 2nd period, come on a little in the 3rd and run out of gas too soon. It is unbelieveable how many one goal games these guys have lost. Anyway, the games was pretty wide open. The Isles still have tons of trouble scoring. The Whalers played a golie in is 1st NHL start, I think his name was Lenarduzzi (sp?). (His NHL debut was the Tuesday tie against the Isles). Like I mentioned before, this guy looked like the best golie on the planet for a while (until he misplayed a Mahlakov slap shot to go to OT). I say it's because the Isles don't shoot correctly. Has anyone else noticed this? Also, I think it is really a shame for hockey when I guy like Mick Vukota gets as much ice time as he does. This guy has about as much hockey talent as Jiggs MacDonald (who did play hockey, I think). Anytime he gets the puck it gets stolen, and he always starts fights and gets needless penalties. Richard Pilon is another guy who is on the ice to stir up crap. And he's a defenseman. He's got to be approaching negative infinity for his plus/minus. This guy gets beaten all the time. Why the need for such "enforcers"? Not only do fights slow the game down ALOT, but it takes away from the guys who are really trying to play the game. I'll be one of the few to admit, I do enjoy a good fight once in a while, but only when it's "called for". You know, when a guy checks the goalie too hard. In other words, a violation of "hockey ethics" might cause you to get puched. But there is no need to start crap when you are losing or becuase you can get away with it!! Does anyone agree that referees need to be a little less lenient in the 3rd and OT? I mean COME ON already. I'm sick of seeing teams pulling guys down, holding guys etc. just becuase the referee doesn't call it. OT and late in the 3rd should be a time for strategy, not physical prowess. Trying to set up a goal should be first and foremost. If you are so afraid that the other team is going to score that you have to pull a guy down to prevent it, you don't deserve to win in the first place. Just My Honest Opinion, Gary at Hofstra [email protected] [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Steve Hui) Subject: Re: Instead of a Saturn SC2, What??? Organization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 19 One thing that everyone is forgetting in this argument over the pricing of the SC1 vs. the Japanese cars is the Saturns "no-dicker sticker". This makes the Saturn's price low in comparison to the inflated base prices of the Japanese competition on paper, but in reality, one could dicker several hundred dollars off the price of the Japanese cars. Admittedly, though, here in Canada, at least, the SC2 is in the same price class as the Civic Si, not the SC1. Steve Hui

From: [email protected] (Greg Williams) Subject: Re: Many people on one machine Distribution: git Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 23 In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Mark Woodruff) writes: >I have several people sharing my machine and would like to set up separate >environments under Windows for each of them. Is there some way of setting >things up separate desktops/directories for each of them? Ideally, >I'd like totally separate virtual machines. I'd be willing to settle for >less, and may end up having batch files that copy .ini files around >depending on who wants to use the machine. You could use DOS 6 to do this partly. You can set up different config.sys and autoexec.bat commands for each user, and they just have to select their menu option on bootup. Then you can have the autoexec.bat copy the win.ini and system.ini files and change directories for them. When they exit windows, it can copy back generic .ini files if you want. This is the only way I can think of. There may be some programs somewhere that allow you to do this better, though using DOS 6 allows each person to have a custom config.sys and autoexec.bat. -- Greg Williams Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gw18 Internet: [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Jim Halat) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Reply-To: [email protected] (Jim Halat) Lines: 34 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >Firstly, science has its basis in values, not the other way round. >So you better explain what objective atoms are, and how we get them >from subjective values, before we go any further. Atoms are not objective. They aren't even real. What scientists call an atom is nothing more than a mathematical model that describes certain physical, observable properties of our surroundings. All of which is subjective. What is objective, though, is the approach a scientist takes in discussing his model and his observations. There is no objective science. But there is an objective approach which is subjectively selected by the scientist. Objective in this case means a specified, unchanging set of rules that he and his colleagues use to discuss their science. This is in contrast to your Objective Morality. There may be an objective approach to subjectively discuss your beliefs on morality. But there exists no objective morality. Also, science deals with how we can discuss our observations of the physical world around us. In that the method of discussion is objective ( not the science; not the discussion itself ). Science makes no claims to know the whys or even the hows sometimes of what we can observe. It simply gives us a way to discuss our surroundings in a meaningful, consistent way. I think it was Neils Bohr who said (to paraphrase) Science is what we can _say_ about the physical world. -jim halat

From: [email protected] (Robert Kudla) Subject: Re: Can I Change "Licensed To" Data in Windows 3.1? Nntp-Posting-Host: hermes.acm.rpi.edu Lines: 65 In <[email protected]> [email protected] writes: > ahh, yes, this is a fun topic. No, once the name is incribed on the >disk, that is it, it is encoded. Not even a HEX editor will find it. You can But a disk compare utility (old versus new) will. And Windows 3.1 is also flexible enough at install time that you can copy all the files onto your hard disk, which greatly speeds things up and makes them less annoying, if you can spare the 7 or so compressed megs. >write over the "Licensed to:", but you can't change the name underneth it. I >think if you wish to change this you would have to be a pirate, and we're not >going to promote that here. No, we're not. But we're also not going to promote pandering to corporate paranoia when the real issue is convenience. I don't *like* dealing with floppies. Personally, I have no use for changing the registration info, but I see it as a valid need, and one that ought to be solved using a quick little utility rather than a half-hour reinstall that's just about guaranteed to mess up your settings in one way or another. So, while I'm not going to put much time into it myself, here's the procedure for getting on your way to finding the encoded information: 1. Copy all your Windows disks into the directory from which you want to install it. I've been using c:\WINSTALL myself. 2. From there, copy that directory to something like c:\WINORIG. 3. Install from c:\winstall. 4. comp the two directories to determine changes. i.e., comp *.* \winorig\*.* >\report.txt 5. Look in the report file for the file(s) that change. Assuming they didn't cover themselves covering their own tracks, at least one file should have a difference noted at a particular offset. Locate said offset in the original directory and see what's there using a hex editor, and do the same for the modified one. 6. You're on your own as far as breaking the code goes; I don't really do cryptography. It's probably just an xor key or something; I think MS is more concerned with Joe Schmoe at the office personalizing his copy than with "real pirates" who will probably just disassemble the damned thing anyway. This technique should work with just about any obnoxious corporate product that tries to write to the original floppies when you install; in some extreme cases you may not be able to back the floppies up to hard disk, and will be stuck doing a compare on floppies (Lotus stuff is probably like that). As I noted before, if you can afford the space on the hard disk, and don't do much in the way of customization, reinstalling from one directory to another may be less arduous. Doing some of the stuff I've mentioned here may well void your license with Microsoft, as if they'd ever find out. If you aren't careful with the disk editor, you could also mung something important... duh. I guess that's a disclaimer. Have at it.... Rob -- Rob [email protected] Keywords - Oldfield Jane's Leather Yes Win3.1 Phish light blue right Bondage r.e.m. DTP Steely Dan DS9 FNM OWL Genesis In the spaceship, the silver spaceship, the lion takes control.....

From: [email protected] (Bob Blackshaw) Subject: Re: Damn Ferigner's Be Taken Over Article-I.D.: cos.bob1.734037895 Distribution: world Organization: Corporation for Open Systems Lines: 34 In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Peter Nelson) writes: >In article <bob1.733696161@cos> [email protected] (Bob Blackshaw) writes: >>In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Peter Nelson) writes: >>> Norway (where you appear to be posting from) is just such a >>> place, although it has always escaped my understanding just >>> what the appeal, to allegedly rational people, of such a >>> scheme might be. What gives King Olav V (or whoever it is >>> now - my atlas is from 1987) the right to any special legal >>> status or title based on a mere accident of birth? >> >>To begin with, it's quite inexpensive compared to here, what with our >>having six former presidents still alive, drawing pensions, expense >>accounts, and secret service protection. > Maybe so, but they were, after all, President. In the corporate > world it's SOP for retiring senior executives to be given nice > pensions, etc. The point is that they performed a service and > this is part of the compensation package. The only "service" > royals have to perform for their free ride is being born. We might be better off had some of our former presidents done nothing. >---peter >PS - . . . which is not to say that some of our presidents have > not provided a service for the country too dissimilar from what > occurs when a bull "services" a cow (for those of you familiar > with cattle breeding). >

From: [email protected] (michael mchugh) Subject: 45 rpm Singles for Sale (Complete List) Keywords: Beatles Rolling Stones Pink Floyd Starr Lennon Talking Heads Ramons Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh. Lines: 46 I have the following 45 rpm singles for sale. Most are collectable 7-inch records with picture sleeves. Price does not include postage which is $1.21 for the first record, $1.69 for two, etc. Beach Boys|Barbara Ann (Capitol Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 Beach Boys|Califonia Girls (Capitol Picture Sleeve)|$15|45 Beach Boys|Fun, Fun, Fun (Capitol Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 Beach Boys|Little Girl I Once Knew (Capitol Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 Beach Boys|Please Let Me Wonder (Capitol Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 Beach Boys|Rock n Roll to the Rescue (Capitol Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$15|45 Beach Boys|When I Grow Up to Be a Man (Capitol Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 Beatles|Im Happy Just to Dance with You (Capitol Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 Doctor & the Medics|Burn (I.R.S. Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$5|45 General Public|Too Much or Nothing (I.R.S. Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$5|45 Go Gos|Our Lips are Sealed (I.R.S. Picture Sleeve)|$5|45 Lennon, John|Instant Karma! (We All Shine On) (Apple Picture Sleeve)|$15|$45 Lennon, John|Mind Games (Apple Picture Sleeve)|$10|$45 Madonna|Open Your Heart (Sire Promo)|$5|45 McCartney, Paul|Coming Up (Columbia. Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 McCartney, Paul|Mull of Kintyre (Capitol. Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 McCartney, Paul|Stranglehold (Capitol Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$5|45 McCartney, Paul|Wonderful Christmastime (Columbia. Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 Mercury, Freddie|I Was Born to Love You (Columbia Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$5|45 Pink Floyd|Learning to Fly (Columbia Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$5|45 Queen|Kind of Magic (Capitol Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$5|45 Ramones|Sheena is a Punk Rocker (Sire Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$5|45 Rolling Stones|19th Nervous Brakdown (London Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 Rolling Stones|Jumpin Jack Flash (London Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 Rolling Stones|Mothers Little Helper (London Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 Rolling Stones|Paint It, Black (London Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 Starr, Ringo|Photograph (Apple Picture Sleeve)|$15|$45 Starr, Ringo|Youre Sixteen (Apple Picture Sleeve)|$15|$45 Talking Heads|Road to Nowhere (Sire Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$5|45 Waters, Roger|Sunset Strip (Columbia Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 Waters, Roger|Sunset Strip (Columiba Promo)|$5 Waters, Roger|Who Needs Information (Columiba Promo)|%10|45 If you are interested, please contact: Michael McHugh [email protected]

Organization: Penn State University From: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Winning Streaks <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Lines: 14 You might want to clarify the 11 game winning streak. That Pens streak is a PLAYOFF streak (tied by the Chicago Blackhawks, who had won 11 in a row until they met the Pens in the finals last year) The 18 game unbeaten, so far, is a regular season unbeaten streak. But hey, don't take it personally. I'm a Flyers fan and two in a row is a stretch. But with a healthy Lindros, Recchi, Brind'amour and Tommy Soderstrom, they'll be there next year! By the way, since the Flyers need defenseman, what kind of trade would anybody suggest from the existing Flyers roster since the scuttlebutt is that Terry Carkner won't be there next year and apart from him a piece of notebook paper would be better defense. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Weaver (properly found at [email protected]). Hey, at least we're not the Whalers!

From: [email protected] (Wayne Smith) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Organization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario Nntp-Posting-Host: valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca Lines: 35 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Richard Krehbiel) writes: >> Can anyone explain in fairly simple terms why, if I get OS/2, I might >> need an SCSI controler rather than an IDE. Will performance suffer that >> much? For a 200MB or so drive? If I don't have a tape drive or CD-ROM? >> Any help would be appreciated. >So, when you've got multi-tasking, you want to increase performance by >increasing the amount of overlapping you do. > >One way is with DMA or bus mastering. Either of these make it >possible for I/O devices to move their data into and out of memory >without interrupting the CPU. The alternative is for the CPU to move >the data. There are several SCSI interface cards that allow DMA and >bus mastering. ^^^^^^^^^^^^ How do you do bus-mastering on the ISA bus? >IDE, however, is defined by the standard AT interface >created for the IBM PC AT, which requires the CPU to move all the data >bytes, with no DMA. If we're talking ISA (AT) bus here, then you can only have 1 DMA channel active at any one time, presumably transferring data from a single device. So even though you can have at least 7 devices on a SCSI bus, explain how all 7 of those devices can to DMA transfers through a single SCSI card to the ISA-AT bus at the same time. Also, I'm still trying to track down a copy of IBM's AT reference book, but from their PC technical manual (page 2-93): "The (FDD) adapter is buffered on the I.O bus and uses the System Board direct memory access (DMA) for record data transfers." I expect to see something similar for the PC-AT HDD adapter. So the lowly low-density original PC FDD card used DMA and the PC-AT HDD controller doesn't!?!? That makes real sense.

From: [email protected] (Vincent Prunet) Subject: Re: Monthly Question about XCopyArea() and Expose Events Organization: INRIA, Sophia-Antipolis (Fr) Lines: 55 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Buzz Moschetti) writes: |> (2nd posting of the question that just doesn't seem to get answered) |> |> Suppose you have an idle app with a realized and mapped Window that |> contains |> Xlib graphics. A button widget, when pressed, will cause a new item |> to be drawn in the Window. This action clearly should not call XCopyArea() |> |> (or equiv) directly; instead, it should register the existence of the |> new |> item in a memory structure and let the same expose event handler that |> handles |> "regular" expose events (e.g. window manager-driven exposures) take care |> of rendering the new image. Using an expose event handler is a "proper" |> way |> to do this because at the time the handler is called, the Xlib Window is |> guaranteed to be mapped. |> |> The problem, of course, is that no expose event is generated if the window |> is already visible and mapped. What we need to do is somehow "tickle" the |> Window so that the expose handler is hit with arguments that will enable |> it to render *just* the part of the window that contains the new item. |> |> What is the best way to tickle a window to produce this behavior? To incrementally update the contents of windows, I use the following trick: 1. Set the window background to None, 2. Call XClearArea(display, window, 0, 0, 0, 0, True), 3. Restore the window background to its correct value. The call to XClearArea does not repaint the window background, but still generates exposure events for visible parts of the window. In order to let my application know that these expose events must be handled incrementally (something is already displayed on the screen and may need to be erased), I encapsulate the 3 operations with 2 self addressed client messages, which preserve asynchronicity between the client and the server. XGrabServer(display) client message (start-incremental) background None XClearArea Restore background client message (end-incremental) XUngrabServer(display) The GrabServer prevents other events to be inserted by the server in the critical section. --- Vincent Prunet, Sema Group Sophia Antipolis INRIA BP 93 06902 SOPHIA ANTIPOLIS Cedex FRANCE [email protected], (33) 93 65 78 42, Fax:(33) 93 65 77 66

From: [email protected] (Jonathan Bruce Hacker) Subject: Re: Was "Re: Safety": From how far can you see a car ? Article-I.D.: gap.1psle4INNkm2 Distribution: na Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 105 NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu [email protected] (The Devil Reincarnate) writes: >>.... These >>lit up cars make non-illuminated things LESS visible (like pedistrians and >>bikes). Hopefully we're not going to mandate DRL's for people and bikes >>too. Well, DRL's are already mandatory for motorcycles... -- Jon Hacker | Get the OS/2 2.1 March Beta CD-ROM Caltech, Pasadena CA | for $15 [email protected] | Call 1-800-3-IBM-OS2

From: [email protected] (Serdar Argic) Subject: Traditional and Historical Armenian Barbarism (Was Re: watch OUT!!). Reply-To: [email protected] (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 106 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Fazia Begum Rizvi) writes: >Seems to me that a lot of good muslims would care about those terms. >Especially those affected by the ideology and actions that such terms >decscribe. The Bosnians suffering from such bigotry comes to mind. They >get it from people who call them 'dirty descendants of Turks', from >people who hate their religion, and from those who don't think they are >really muslims at all since they are white. The suffering that they are Let us not forget about the genocide of the Azeri people in 'Karabag' and x-Soviet Armenia by the Armenians. Between 1914 and 1920, Armenians committed unheard-of crimes, resorted to all conceivable methods of despotism, organized massacres, poured petrol over babies and burned them, raped women and girls in front of their parents who were bound hand and foot, took girls from their mothers and fathers and appropriated personal property and real estate. And today, they put Azeris in the most unbearable conditions any other nation had ever known in history. AREF SADIKOV sat quietly in the shade of a cafe-bar on the Caspian Sea esplanade of Baku and showed a line of stitches in his trousers, torn by an Armenian bullet as he fled the town of Hojali just over three months ago, writes Hugh Pope. "I'm still wearing the same clothes, I don't have any others," the 51-year-old carpenter said, beginning his account of the Hojali disaster. "I was wounded in five places, but I am lucky to be alive." Mr Sadikov and his wife were short of food, without electricity for more than a month, and cut off from helicopter flights for 12 days. They sensed the Armenian noose was tightening around the 2,000 to 3,000 people left in the straggling Azeri town on the edge of Karabakh. "At about 11pm a bombardment started such as we had never heard before, eight or nine kinds of weapons, artillery, heavy machine-guns, the lot," Mr Sadikov said. Soon neighbours were pouring down the street from the direction of the attack. Some huddled in shelters but others started fleeing the town, down a hill, through a stream and through the snow into a forest on the other side. To escape, the townspeople had to reach the Azeri town of Agdam about 15 miles away. They thought they were going to make it, until at about dawn they reached a bottleneck between the two Armenian villages of Nakhchivanik and Saderak. "None of my group was hurt up to then ... Then we were spotted by a car on the road, and the Armenian outposts started opening fire," Mr Sadikov said. Azeri militiamen fighting their way out of Hojali rushed forward to force open a corridor for the civilians, but their efforts were mostly in vain. Mr Sadikov said only 10 people from his group of 80 made it through, including his wife and militiaman son. Seven of his immediate relations died, including his 67-year-old elder brother. "I only had time to reach down and cover his face with his hat," he said, pulling his own big flat Turkish cap over his eyes. "We have never got any of the bodies back." The first groups were lucky to have the benefit of covering fire. One hero of the evacuation, Alif Hajief, was shot dead as he struggled to change a magazine while covering the third group's crossing, Mr Sadikov said. Another hero, Elman Memmedov, the mayor of Hojali, said he and several others spent the whole day of 26 February in the bushy hillside, surrounded by dead bodies as they tried to keep three Armenian armoured personnel carriers at bay. As the survivors staggered the last mile into Agdam, there was little comfort in a town from which most of the population was soon to flee. "The night after we reached the town there was a big Armenian rocket attack. Some people just kept going," Mr Sadikov said. "I had to get to the hospital for treatment. I was in a bad way. They even found a bullet in my sock." Victims of war: An Azeri woman mourns her son, killed in the Hojali massacre in February (left). Nurses struggle in primitive conditions (centre) to save a wounded man in a makeshift operating theatre set up in a train carriage. Grief-stricken relatives in the town of Agdam (right) weep over the coffin of another of the massacre victims. Calculating the final death toll has been complicated because Muslims bury their dead within 24 hours. Photographs: Liu Heung / AP Frederique Lengaigne / Reuter THE INDEPENDENT, London, 12/6/'92 Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)

From: [email protected] (Gabriel Noah Jones) Subject: Re: umbdr522.zip : Any later version ? Keywords: umbdrv mem Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 1

From: [email protected] (Randy J. Pointkoski) Subject: Needed 24 volt 4 circuit Flasher Organization: Amateur Radio VE6BC Lines: 17 I am looking for a source for a 4 circuit Sequence flasher. Input 24 Volts AC, 8 amps Output: sequence to 4 channels (knob to vary frequency) (max 2 amps per leg) Switch to put all channels on full time Please Email any assistance you can provide. Randy Email: [email protected] -- __ / ) Randy J Pointkoski P.Eng / __________ _ __ _ _ _ o ________ Compression Technologies (__/ (_) / / / <_/_)_/ (_</_/_)_/_)_<_(_) / / <_ 7141 77 ave

From: [email protected] (Steven Holton) Subject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security? Organization: Northern Telecom, Inc. Lines: 25 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Amanda Walker) wrote: > One thing that Clipper offers is interoperability, at a higher degree of > security than we currently have in non-proprietary voice encryption systems. > This means it will be cheaper than anyone's proprietary scheme, and easier to ^^^^^^^ Probably cheaper than you think. I'll bet some of my (and yours) tax dollars become a subsidy for these chips. If these chips don't sell well, what's to stop the US government from 'giving' them away (in the interest of National Security)? > deploy. This is, of course, either a bug or a feature depending on how you > look at it :). > > Amanda Walker > InterCon Systems Corporation -- Steven P. Holton Network Administrator - RTP FAST Northern Telecom, Inc. Replies To: [email protected] on bounce: [ [email protected] | [email protected] ] "Opinions expressed here are my own."

From: [email protected] (Tow Wang Hui) Subject: Floppy file copying Article-I.D.: srvr1.1pstlnINN4r5 Reply-To: [email protected] Distribution: world Organization: University of Michigan (CAEN) Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: statler.engin.umich.edu Originator: [email protected] A silly question: I frequently edit small files and need to make copies of them on several floppy diskettes of the same size and format, but my computer is only equipped with one 3.5" HD drive and one 5.25" HD drive; can't I do the copying without swapping files temporarily to my hard disk (which is 99.9% full) using standard MSDOS 5.0 commands? I know diskcopy a: a: works but for small selections of files, xcopy a:*.txt a: does not! Maybe I'll have to write my own file copy command in C, but the idea does not amuse me. Thanks for your help. Francisco

From: [email protected] (Eric Bosco) Subject: Re: Windows Speaker Sound Driver Nntp-Posting-Host: monica.us.oracle.com Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. Lines: 15 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Alec Lee) writes: > Is there an ftp site where I can get the MS speaker sound driver? There's > a "sound.exe" file that claims to be the driver but I'm suspicious since > it's not a .drv file. > > Thanks > > Alec Lee The sound.exe is actually a self extracting script which includes the .drv file. Works great! -Eric

From: [email protected] (The One and Only) Subject: Nicknames Summary: was Re: New Member Organization: Salvation Army Draft Board Lines: 36 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Nanci Ann Miller) writes: >[email protected] (The One and Only) writes: >> Welcome. I am the official keeper of the list of nicknames that people >> are known by on alt.atheism (didn't know we had such a list, did you). >> Your have been awarded the nickname of "Buckminster." So the next time >> you post an article, sign with your nickname like so: >> Dave "Buckminster" Fuller. Thanks again. >> >> Jim "Humor means never having to say you're sorry" Copeland > >Of course, the list has to agree with the nickname laws laid down by the >GIPU almost 2000 years ago (you know... the 9 of them that were written on >the iron tablets that melted once and had to be reinscribed?). Since I am >a prophet of the GIPU I decree that you should post the whole list of >nicknames for the frequent posters here! If the first rule of humor is never having to say you're sorry then the second rule must be never having to explain yourself. Few things are worse that a joke explained. In spite of this, and because of requests for me to post my list o' nicknames, I must admit that no such list exists. It was simply a plot device, along with me being the keeper o' the list, to make the obvious play on the last name of Fuller and to advance the idea that such a list should be made. I assumed that the ol' timers would recognize it for what it is. Nevertheless, how about a list o' nicknames for alt.atheism posters? If you think of a good one, just post it and see if others like it. We could start with those posters who annoy us the most, like Bobby or Bill. Jim "D'oh! I broke the second rule of humor" Copeland -- If God is dead and the actor plays his part | -- Sting, His words of fear will find their way to a place in your heart | History Without the voice of reason every faith is its own curse | Will Teach Us Without freedom from the past things can only get worse | Nothing

From: [email protected] (Daryl Turner) Subject: Re: TPS will stay on the top... Nntp-Posting-Host: gibson.cc.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Lines: 25 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes: >MIGHTY ONES GET MIGHTIER: > >TPS, the Finnish Champions 1992/3, are getting still stronger! Oh no! Say it isn't so! > >BTW. Is Juha Yl|nen (centre, HPK) drafted by the Jets?? During last year >he has reached the top level among Finnish centres. He had very good >playoff games against TPS! Yes, Yl|nen is a draft choice of the Jets. (Assuming, of course, this is the same Yl|nen that played for Kiekko-Espoo in 1990-91.) He was a 5th round, 91st overall pick of the Jets in the 1991 entry draft. I noticed in the summaries that Yl|nen had really begun to play well in the playoffs. Daryl Turner : r.s.h contact for the Winnipeg Jets Internet: [email protected] FidoNET: 1:348/701 -or- 1:348/4 (please route through 348/700) Tkachuk over to Zhamnov, up to Sel{nne, he shoots, he scores! The Jets win the Cup! The Jets win the Cup! Essensa for Vezina! Housley for Norris! Sel{nne for Calder!

From: [email protected] (Matt Jacobson) Subject: NDW Norton Desktop for Windows Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 19 I have an IBM and run Windows 3.1. A friend installed Norton Desktop For Windows on top of this. It loads automatically when I type "win", and surely adds to the (already dismally slow) process of starting up. I would like to know how to STOP or uninstall this program!! I have taken it out of win.ini, but it still pops up running with windows. I did a big search and found reference to it in ndw.ini, system.ini and progman.ini. Removing it here causes a failure when starting up windows (progrman.ini has a "group 7 = ...ndw.exe..." which can't be deleted.) Is there anyone familiar with NDW who can tell me how to turn it off?? thanks! Chet **PLEASE EMAIL RESPONSES -- I can't read news from my home account*** [email protected]

From: [email protected] (David Farley) Subject: Re: Why does Illustrator AutoTrace so poorly? Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 25 In article <[email protected]> diablo.UUCP!cboesel (Charles Boesel) writes: >I've been trying to figure out a way to get Adobe Illustrator >to auto-trace >exactly< what I see on my screen. But it misses >the edges of templates by as many as 6 pixels or more - resulting in images >that are useless - I need exact tracing, not approximate. > >I've tried adjusting the freehand tolerances as well as autotrace >tolerances but it doesn't help. Any suggestions? > >-- >charles boesel @ diablo creative | If Pro = for and Con = against >[email protected] | Then what's the opposite of Progress? >+1.510.980.1958(pager) | What else, Congress. I've had exactly the same problems in Aldus Freehand. I think autotracing is one of those "features" that barely works, but everybody feels compelled to throw it in because the other guys are doing it. :) -- David Farley The University of Chicago Library 312 702-3426 1100 East 57th Street, JRL-210 [email protected] Chicago, Illinois 60637

From: chang hsu liu <[email protected]> Subject: Upgrade from 286 to 486 help needed!!! Organization: Indiana University Lines: 27 Greetings, Please forgive me if this is FAQ. If there is source on this kind of info, please let me know. I just got a 286 station (around 21*16.5*7 in dimension), and I am thinking about upgrade it to a 486 or 386. The station has a power supply, two floppy disk drives, and the big case. I have SONY 1304 monitor, SyQuest drive (Mac), and maybe a cd-rom reader (Mac) for it. Here are the questions I have so far: 1) Is there a 486 motherboard at this dimension that I could use the case? 2) The original owener has the controller for floppy drive and hard disk removed. Can I use them to control these devices under 486? How much do I have to pay for a new controllers if the old ones won't work? 3) How can I make SyQuest (SCSI) and cd-rom (SCSI) work on this station? I heard that there is a cheap sound board that has SCSI controller built-in? What's quality of this board? How much usually does a SCSI control cost? Is there any ftp sites that has SyQuest driver or cd-rom driver for the PC if I can have everything hooked up OK?4) What I want is a 486 motherboard, a sound board to make it a MPC- quality station. How much would it cost to do that? Is it worth the hussle than just buy a new 486 station? BTW, I need to buy a keyboard for it too. Any input is welcome. Thank you. Peter Liu

From: [email protected] (;;;;RD48) Subject: Re: space food sticks Keywords: food Article-I.D.: agate.1pr5u2$t0b Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu I had spacefood sticks just about every morning for breakfast in first and second grade (69-70, 70-71). They came in Chocolate, strawberry, and peanut butter and were cylinders about 10cm long and 1cm in diameter wrapped in yellow space foil (well, it seemed like space foil at the time). The taste is hard to describe, although I remember it fondly. It was most certainly more "candy" than say a modern "Power Bar." Sort of a toffee injected with vitamins. The chocolate Power Bar is a rough approximation of the taste. Strawberry sucked. Man, these were my "60's." -- Gavin Helf UC Berkeley Political Science Berkeley-Stanford Program in Soviet Studies [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Pat Myrto) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Article-I.D.: rwing.2091 Distribution: na Organization: Totally Unorganized Lines: 17 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Steve Brinich) writes: < < > I wonder if she landed such a fat fee from cooperation with the NSA in < >the design and propoganda stages that she doesn't care any more? < < Which is to say: is the NSA -totally- perfidious, or does it at least <have the redeeming virtue of taking care of its own? <g> Of course they take care of their own ... very well ... until the person has 'outlived his/her/undefined usefulness'... then 'elimination' becomes a consideration... :-) -- [email protected] [Without prejudice UCC 1-207] (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA If all else fails, try: ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat WISDOM: "Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the former." - Albert Einstien

From: "tom neumann" <[email protected]> Subject: vw passat? (again) Reply-To: "tom neumann" <[email protected]> Organization: Canada Remote Systems Distribution: rec Lines: 25 [email protected] (Kojo Yeboah) writes: KY>To all those who have PASSATs, do you recommend using Super Unleaded or just KY>regular Unleaded Gasoline. I have been using Regular Unleaded. A friend of mine has KY>a Jetta and has always used Super Unleaded and thinks I should be using the same; KY>however, I believe the advantages of Super Unleaded for CARs $30000 and under KY>has been overplayed by guess who: the companies who sell them, because that is KY>where they make the most PROFIT. A Ralph Nader report and other consumer advocates KY>have in the past spoken against those oil companies. Your Passat VR6 is designed to run on premium gasoline, however the engine electronics will retard the timing so that no harm wil be done to the engine with lower octane fuel. You will likely, however, get somewhat more power and fuel mileage (especially in hot weather) out of this particular engine if you do run it on premium. Tom Neumann --- þ DeLuxeý 1.25 #350 þ I sell Volkswagens. -- Canada Remote Systems - Toronto, Ontario 416-629-7000/629-7044

From: [email protected] (Tom Van Vleck) Subject: Re: looking for one-way (trap-door, password encryption, etc.) algorithms Organization: - Distribution: usa Lines: 21 Michael Levin wrote: > I am looking for references to algorithms which can be used for > password encryption. I.e., someone has a clear-text word, runs it > through the algorithm, and it becomes some other sequence of symbols. > I want this algorithm to have the property that it is a) next to > impossible to reverse, and b) would take too long to try all possible > words to see which one works (even by use of a high-speed computer). > Please send references or ideas to [email protected]. The original one-way encryption I put into Multics about 1968 (as suggested by Joe Weizenbaum) was invertible. An Air Force tiger team demonstrated this to me in May 1973. I then asked an expert (who requested anonymity) what I should use instead; the expert's suggestion was to treat the 8-byte password as both key and data for the LUCIFER encryption algorithm, which is similar or identical to DES. This method or something stronger should take care of (a). Issue (b) is discussed in comp.security.misc: longer passwords and quality control on what users can choose as passwords are the common tactics. [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Mark Rogowsky) Subject: Re: PDS vs. Nubus (was Re: LC III NuBus Capable?) Organization: Stanford University Lines: 42 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) writes: >In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Brian V. Hughes) writes: >> [email protected] (Marvin Miller) writes: >>>My friend recently purchased a LC III and he wants to know if there is >>>such a demon called NuBus adapter for his PDS slot? > >> The LC family of Macs can only >> use PDS cards. They are not able to use NuBus. > >Ah, but why? Can some technically-hip Macslinger tell us what the >difference is between PDS and Nubus? > >Is it impossible to make a gadget that plugs into PDS and ends in a >Nubus card cage? At least, Marvin's friend has not been able to >locate one and neither have I. What is the fundamental reason for >this? > >-- > O~~* /_) ' / / /_/ ' , , ' ,_ _ \|/ > - ~ -~~~~~~~~~~~/_) / / / / / / (_) (_) / / / _\~~~~~~~~~~~zap! > / \ (_) (_) / | \ > | | Bill Higgins Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory > \ / Bitnet: [email protected] > - - Internet: [email protected] > ~ SPAN/Hepnet: 43011::HIGGINS Second Wave makes NuBus card cages that work on the PDS slots of at least three Macs: the SE/30, IIsi and Centris 610. They have not, to my knowledge, announced such a device for the LCII, but they could make one, technologically. The PDS card that goes to the cage simply needs the NuBus controller circuitry present on NuBus Macs. Why, though, does anyone care about this? dgr has a three-PDS adapter for the LC/LCII. They will soon have one for the LCIII. PDS is better than NuBus for most people in most applications. Granted, there are more NuBus cards. But, most applications that require a NuBus card (like full-motion video capture) shouldn't be done on an LC/LCII/LCIII anyway. Mark

From: [email protected] (Lyford Beverage) Subject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series Distribution: na Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC Lines: 22 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: |> In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Rudy Wade) writes: |> >In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Gord Niguma) writes: |> >>reference to history because he certainly didn't have the best season for |> >>second basemen in history. He probably didn't even have as good a season as |> >>Alomar last year. |> > |> >What? Do you have some measure (like popularity in Toronto doesn't count) |> >that you are basing this statement on? |> |> Uh, yes. Baerga has a lot of flash, but Alomar was the better hitter |> last year. |> |> BATTERS BA SLG OBP G AB R H TB 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS E |> BAERGA,C .312 .455 .354 161 657 92 205 299 32 1 20 105 35 76 10 2 19 |> ALOMAR,R .310 .427 .405 152 571 105 177 244 27 8 8 76 87 52 49 9 5 |> This is fascinating. You say that Alomar was the better hitter last year, and immediately follow that up with numbers showing that Baerga had a better year. The only category that I see which shows an advantage for Alomar is OBP.

From: [email protected] (Ederveen D.) Subject: Micro World Data Bank II ? Nntp-Posting-Host: athena.research.ptt.nl Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: PTT Research, The Netherlands Lines: 18 I'm looking for a database called "Micro World Data Bank II", a database with digital map information containing 178,068 latitude, longitude points. It is said to be in the public domain. If anyone knows a place where I can get it (preferably FTP/gopher/mailserver etc.; otherwise snail mail) please let me know. I you have it yourself and are willing to send me the file, drop me a line. I'll be using it with a program called VERSAMAP by Charles H. Culberson. If anyone knows of another detailed database that can be used with this program (preferably PD), I would be very interested. Replies by e-mail please, directly to me, I don't read this group regularly. If there's interest I'll post a summary, of course. -- Derk Ederveen (FidoNet 2:283/323) tel. +31-70-3323202 [email protected] / [email protected] fax. +31-70-3326477 x400: /c=nl/admd=400net/prmd=ptt research/o=ptt research/s=ederveen/i=dnm ** "I wish I was a warrior, in every language that I speak" - Lou Reed **

From: [email protected] (Hamish Moffatt) Subject: Re: Mouse on Com3OM3 or COM4 in Windows Organization: Cloud Nine BBS, Melbourne, Australia. Lines: 53 [email protected] (Joseph Paparella) writes: > I am having a problem configuring the mouse in windows to use COM3 > with IRQ5. I don't believe IRQ5 is the problem. I tried a mouse on COM3, IRQ4 (the usual place) and it still did not like it. Simply, Windows seems to only support mice on COM1 or COM2. The funny part is, though, that Microsoft's own mouse driver (8.xx) was quite happy with my mouse sitting on COM3. Why can't Windows use the mouse driver, or at least support COM3? :-) > COM2Irq=3 > COM3Irq=5 > COM4Irq=7 > MaxComPort=4 I've tried this too. Actually, I wanted to be able to use my second modem (COM3/IRQ5) from Windows. It still will not talk to that modem. I created two profiles, AMSTRAD (for my Amstrad modem on COM1/IRQ4) and MAESTRO (for my Maestro on COM3/IRQ5). It will not talk to the Maestro at all. > (1,5106830617) that their driver does not support COM3 and COM4 in windows. > Their suggestion was that the 'MicroSoft or PS/2' setting in windows > setup would work. It does not. Nor here. (Windows 3.0). > I can not believe that it is not possible. At worst, you would need a special > version of 'a' mouse driver that looked at COM3 and COM4 instead of COM1 > and COM2. I know that IRQ5 and IRQ7 are normally printer port IRQs, but I I've seen nothing like that. I've experimented with Logitech's mouse driver too, with no sucess. > have no printers attached. A side note is that I would really like to assign > COM4 to some higher IRQ, because my SoundBlaster board uses IRQ7 (right now, > I'm not using COM4), but no modem that I know of allows settings other than > IRQs 2,3,4,5, and 7. If you have a SoundBlaster Pro, it should support IRQ10 as well. Finally, a board that supports IRQs >9. The only one I have (except my IDE controller). hamish Hamish Moffatt, [email protected] APANA: The Australian Public Cloud Nine BBS, 3:635/552@fidonet Access Network Association. Melbourne Australia 58:4100/43@intlnet Mail [email protected] Titanic Software. Voice: +61-3-803-1326 for information.

From: [email protected] (Peter Thanh Khiet Vu) Subject: Wanted: AIRCONDITIONER Keywords: WANTED Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 4 I am looking for a good used window air conditioner. A small one is preffered. Call 495-2056 (Peter) and we'll talk about it. Or email me. "[email protected]"

From: [email protected] (Tall Cool One ) Subject: Can I use a CD4052 analog multiplexer for digital signals? Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 14 As the subject says - Can I use a 4052 for digital signals? I don't see why it couldn't handle digital signals, but I could be wrong. Anyone have any advice? Thanks. _I_______________________________________________________________________I_ (_@_) (_@_) | | Raymond Yeung Internet: [email protected] | | | | [email protected] | | | | EE student at the | | | | University of Illinois CompuServe: 70700,1011 | | | | at Urbana-Champaign | | (___)-------------------------------------------------------------------(___) I I

From: [email protected] (Ken Whaley) Subject: Re: XCopyPlane Question In-Reply-To: [email protected]'s message of 19 Apr 93 14:15:38 GMT Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Inc. <[email protected]> Lines: 33 > > In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Ken Whaley) writes: > > Actually, I must also ask the FAQ's #1 most popular reason why graphics > > don't show up: do you wait for an expose event before drawing your > > rectangle? > > Suppose you have an idle app with a realized and mapped Window that contains > Xlib graphics. A button widget, when pressed, will cause a new item > to be drawn in the Window. This action clearly should not call XCopyArea() > (or equiv) directly; instead, it should register the existence of the new > item in a memory structure and let the expose event handler take care > of rendering the image because at that time it is guaranteed that the > Window is mapped. > > The problem, of course, is that no expose event is generated if the window > is visible and mapped. Do you know the best way to "tickle" a window so > that the expose event handler will be invoked to draw this new item? I specifically made the above comment assuming that perhaps the code fragment came from a simple "open-draw-quit" client. As per your question: why not have the button handler add the object, and then call the "window_redraw()" (or whatever) directly? Although, depending on how the overall application is structured, there may be no problem with rendering the object directly in response to the button press. Ken -- Kenneth Whaley (408) 748-6347 Kubota Pacific Computer, Inc. Email: [email protected] 2630 Walsh Avenue Santa Clara, CA. 95051

From: [email protected] (Phil Karn) Subject: Re: Keeping Your Mouth Shut (was: Hard drive security) Nntp-Posting-Host: servo.qualcomm.com Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: Qualcomm, Inc Lines: 37 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Vince Kub) writes: |> Now, |> the original scheme as suggested here would be to have the key disappear if |> certain threatening conditions are met. Once the key is gone there is no |> question of Contempt of Court as there is nothing to compell, the key is no |> longer there to be produced. Getting rid of the keys is actually pretty easy to do automatically on a communications link, as opposed to storage where the keys have to be retained somehow as long as the owner wants to be able to retrieve the data. The right way to do communications security is to generate a random session key with Diffie Hellman, use it for a while and then destroy it. Once it's gone, there's no getting it back, and no way to decrypt recordings of the conversation. To make sure you aren't being attacked by a man in the middle, you have to authenticate your DH exchanges. The AT&T secure phone does this by displaying the DH key so you can compare them verbally over the phone. This is nice and simple, but it relies on user awareness plus the inability of the man in the middle to duplicate the users' voices. A better way is to authenticate the exchanges with RSA. Since you'd never use RSA for actual encryption, compromising your RSA secret key would only allow someone to impersonate you in a future conversation, and even that only until you revoke your public key. They would still not be able to decrypt recordings of prior conversations for which the session keys have been destroyed. I'm convinced that this is how the government's own secure phones (the STU-III) must work. Neat, eh? Phil

From: [email protected] (Jonathan K Saville) Subject: Re: freely distributable public key cryptography c++ code: where? Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 26 D. Wigglesworth ([email protected]) wrote: : Do you know of any freely distributable c++ (or c) code for public : key cryptography (such as RSA)? : I've tried various archie searches to no avail. Have you heard of PGP? I assume from your post that you have not. PGP 2.2 is a freeware RSA encryption program which includes digital signatures and comprehensive key management facilities. Most sites also keep the source code. A growing number of people are using this excellent software to encrypt (to a very high standard) their email and data. Get it before Clinton outlaws it. Two of the many sites are: rsa.com /pub/pgp soda.berkeley.edu /pub/cypherpunks/pgp Hope this helps, Jon -- ------------------------ ------------------------------------- | Jon Saville | Who alive can say, 'Thou art no | | [email protected] | Poet, may'st not tell thy dreams?' | ------------------------ ----------- Keats, 1819 ----------- PGP 2.2 public key available upon request or by finger

From: [email protected] (Arsenault Michel) Subject: Looking for boxscores Organization: Universite de Montreal Distribution: na Lines: 5 I am looking for all the 84 boxscores of any NHL team for some personal research. Can someone help me ? Michel Arsenault

From: [email protected] (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: Is key escrow enough? Lines: 24 The points raised about checking what is actually -in- the chip, as opposed to what is allegedly programmed therein, raise yet another trust issue. Even if we assume that these "trusted agents" are really entering a wide range of S1 and S2 seeds (rather than using the same one all the time to reduce the key search space to 30 bits), I assume they are not doing so by picking up an iron filing and poking it into the circuitry at carefully selected points to encode data. They would presumably be punching numbers into a computer, which for all they know could program the chips in a manner completely independent of the S1 and S2 values they are feeding into the system. S1 and S2 are clearly the backdoor - we should assume they are all compromised. If they're not compromisable, why the hell not use a hardware true random number source. There isn't a random number source *anywhere* in this proposal. The whole thing is deterministic from the day the serial number is stamped on the chip. Nope, it can't be trusted. This is all about two levels of access - the (possibly honest) key escrow that police forces have to use, and ostensibly the FBI; and the back door that lets the NSA decode *everything* on the fly - and maybe some back-handers to the FBI when they want a warrantless tab in exchange for favours. G

From: [email protected] (Cardinal Ximenez) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Organization: National Association for the Disorganized Lines: 39 [email protected] writes: >In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Mark Baker) writes: >This is not true. The athiest's position is that there is no PROOF of the >existence of God. As much as some people accept their Church, their priests >or straight from their own scriptures as the "proof", this does not >satisfy atheists. You haven't fully explained the atheist position. Many theists believe that there is "no proof of the existence of God" but choose to believe in him anyway. I haven't yet found an argument for atheism that can't quickly be broken down to unprovable assumptions. This isn't a problem with me (everybody needs to have a faith) but if you believe that you can provide a "purely logical" argument for the nonexistence of God, I'd really like to see it. >Are you asking us to believe blindly? You are trying to deny that part of >us that makes us ask the question "Does God exist?" i.e. self-awareness and >reason. If we do not use our ability to reason we become as ignorant >as the other animals on this earth. Does God want us to be like that? >You are right that science and reason cannot PROVE anything. However, if >we do not use them we can only then believe on FAITH alone. And since >we can only use faith, why is one picture of "God" (e.g. Hinduism) any less >valid than another (e.g. Christianity)? Ahh...but when you use science and reason, you have faith in certain beliefs of the scientific method--for example: The physical laws of the universe are stable. Our observations of reality are a valid basis for a determination of truth. Objective reality exists. Logical argument is a valid way to answer all questions. Can you prove any of these? Alan Terlep "...and the scorpion says, 'it's Oakland University, Rochester, MI in my nature.'" [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Derek C. Richardson) Subject: Allocated colors... Nntp-Posting-Host: ioas09.ast.cam.ac.uk Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: Institute of Astronomy, Cambridge Lines: 20 Can anyone out there tell me how to get the total number of color cells allocated in the default colormap? e.g. colormap = DefaultColormap(mydisplay, myscreen); The MAXIMUM number of allocated cells is given by DefaultCells(mydisplay, myscreen), but in general the number of cells actually allocated will be much less than this, depending on the color requirements of the windows currently in place. I'd like a way to determine this number. Thanks in advance! Derek ----------------------------------------------------------- | Derek C. Richardson | Tel: (0223) 337548 x 37501 | | Institute of Astronomy | Fax: (0223) 337523 | | Cambridge, U.K. | | | CB3 0HA | E-mail: [email protected] | -----------------------------------------------------------

From: [email protected] (Max Bell) Subject: WANTED: Info on Dedicated X Server Kernel for Sun3/100 Series Organization: TECHbooks Public Access Lines: 9 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: techbook.techbook.com Summary: If you know where to find it, please send email. Keywords: sun kernel x server If anyone has any information about the existence or location of a dedicated X server kernel for the Sun3, please send email. I am trying to put some neglected Sun3s to good use but they don't have enough memory for SunOS 4.1.1. Thanks in advance for any help. -- /\ /\/ Max Bell | I used to think I'd emmigrate to escape / \/ /\ [email protected] | the tyrants, but now I think I'll stay ~~~~~~~~~ [email protected] | and make them leave instead.

From: [email protected] (Rocket) Subject: Dear [email protected] Re: Hockey Pool Distribution: rec.sport.hockey Organization: University of New Brunswick Lines: 15 Hi there, I can't seem to get mail to you. Can you tell me your entire adress, or even your dotted decimal address? (ie. 131.202.3.10) Thanks, [email protected] -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - - - Maurice Richard -

From: [email protected] (Joseph R Mcdonald) Subject: Re: Wirtz is a weenie Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 27 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Robert Angelo Pleshar) writes: >In other TV news, the Penguins announced yesterday that they will have 3 >fewer broadcast TV games, and will have 22(!) games on some sort of >subscription / pay-per-view system. Yuck. This is incorrect. This year the Pens had 61 games on "free" TV and 6 games on PPV. Next year they will have 62 games on free TV and 22 on a subscription basis. You actually get 1 more free game than last year, and there will be no more "radio-only" games. Its a good deal. Last year, everybody bitched about Baldwin "breaking up the team". Now, he goes out of his way to keep the nucleus of this team together and that takes money. He comes up with a creative way to generate more revenue so he can afford this team, and people bitch some more. Everybody wants something for nothing. Dean -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dean J. Falcione "Badges? What badges? We (using jrmst8 by permission Don't need no stinkin' of the owner, Joe McDonald) badges!"

From: [email protected] (Keith Keller) Subject: Playoff pool rule revision Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 10 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu Well, I will have to change the scoring on my playoff pool. Unfortunately I don't have time right now, but I will certainly post the new scoring rules by tomorrow. Does it matter? No, you'll enter anyway!!! Good! -- Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! [email protected] IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! "When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."

From: [email protected] (Gregg Walters) Subject: Ryan on DL Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO Lines: 18 Heard minutes ago on KOA radio, Denver. Nolan Ryan to have arthroscopic on a knee, and to miss 2 - 5 weeks. Rockies (Nied) lead Mets (Gooden) 4 - 0 in 7th. All runs in first inning. Gregg \\ [email protected] // \\ /\ // _^ \ / \ / ^_ _\|__/\ / \ /\__|/_ /\___/ / \ \___/\ | CR/ /\/ o \/\ \CR | |--/ / / \ \--| \ \ / // \ / / / / / // \ \ \ \ \ / COLORADO ROCKIES \ / /

From: [email protected] (James F. Small) Subject: Re: Here's to the assholes Organization: School of Engineering and Applied Sciences, UCLA Lines: 26 In article <[email protected]> you rambled on about: )In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (James F. Small) writes: )> Here's to the 3 asshole scooter owners who TRIPLE PARKED behind my )> bike today. ) )Jim calling other prople assholes, what's next? ^^^^^^ If you're going to flame, learn to spell. )Besides, assholeism is endemic to the two-wheeled motoring community. Why I do believe that Jason, the wise, respected (hahahha), has just made a stereotypical remark. How unsophisticated of you. I'm so sorry you had to come out of your ivory tower and stoop (as you would say), to my , obviously, lower level. Besides, geekism is endemic to the albino-phoosball playing community (and those who drive volvos) Remember ,send your flames to [email protected] -- I need what a formal education can not provide. --- DoD# 2024

From: [email protected] Subject: Space Station Redesign, JSC Alternative #4 Organization: NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 71 I have 19 (2 MB worth!) uuencode'd GIF images contain charts outlining one of the many alternative Space Station designs being considered in Crystal City. Mr. Mark Holderman works down the hall from me, and can be reached for comment at (713) 483-1317, or via e-mail at [email protected]. Mark proposed this design, which he calls "Geode" ("rough on the outside, but a gem on the inside") or the "ET Strongback with integrated hab modules and centrifuge." As you can see from file geodeA.gif, it uses a Space Shuttle External Tank (ET) in place of much of the truss which is currently part of Space Station Freedom. The white track on the outside of the ET is used by the Station Remonte Manipulator System (SRMS) and by the Reaction Control System (RCS) pod. This allows the RCS pod to move along the track so that thrusting can occur near the center of gravity (CG) of the Station as the mass properties of the Station change during assembly. The inline module design allows the Shuttle to dock more easily because it can approach closer to the Station's CG and at a structurally strong part of the Station. In the current SSF design, docking forces are limited to 400 pounds, which seriously constrains the design of the docking system. The ET would have a hatch installed pre-flight, with little additional launch mass. We've always had the ability to put an ET into orbit (contrary to some rumors which have circulated here), but we've never had a reason to do it, while we have had some good reasons not to (performance penalties, control, debris generation, and eventual de-orbit and impact footprint). Once on-orbit, we would vent the residual H2. The ET insulation (SOFI) either a) erodes on-orbit from impact with atomic Oxygen, or b) stays where it is, and we deploy a Kevlar sheath around it to protect it and keep it from contaminating the local space environment. Option b) has the advantage of providing further micrometeor protection. The ET is incredibly strong (remember, it supports the whole stack during launch), and could serve as the nucleus for a much more ambitious design as budget permits. The white module at the end of ET contains a set of Control Moment Gyros to be used for attitude control, while the RCS will be used for gyro desaturation. The module also contains a de-orbit system which can be used at the end of the Station's life to perform a controlled de-orbit (so we don't kill any more kangaroos, like we did with Skylab). The centrifuge, which has the same volume as a hab module, could be used for long-term studies of the effects of lunar or martian gravity on humans. The centrifuge will be used as a momentum storage device for the whole attitude control system. The centrifuge is mounted on one of the modules, opposite the ET and the solar panels. This design uses most of the existing SSF designs for electrical, data and communication systems, getting leverage from the SSF work done to date. Mark proposed this design at Joe Shea's committee in Crystal City, and he reports that he was warmly received. However, the rumors I hear say that a design based on a wingless Space Shuttle Orbiter seems more likely. Please note that this text is my interpretation of Mark's design; you should see his notes in the GIF files. Instead of posting a 2 MB file to sci.space, I tried to post these for anon-FTP in ames.arc.nasa.gov, but it was out of storage space. I'll let you all know when I get that done. -- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office [email protected] (713) 483-4368 "...Development of the space station is as inevitable as the rising of the sun." -- Wernher von Braun

From: [email protected] (The Desert Brat) Subject: Keith IS a relativist! Organization: Cured, discharged Lines: 25 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: > Not so. If you are thrown into a cage with a tiger and get mauled, do you > blame the tiger? AHA! He admits it! He IS a moral relativist! Keith, if you start wafffling on about how it is different for a human to maul someone thrown into it's cage (so to speak), you'd better start posting tome decent evidence or retract your 'I think there is an absolute morality' blurb a few weeks ago. > keith The Desert Brat -- John J McVey, Elc&Eltnc Eng, Whyalla, Uni S Australia, ________ [email protected] T.S.A.K.C. \/Darwin o\ For replies, mail to [email protected] /\________/ Disclaimer: Unisa hates my opinions. bb bb +------------------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ |"It doesn't make a rainbow any less beautiful that we | "God's name is smack | |understand the refractive mechanisms that chance to | for some." | |produce it." - Jim Perry, [email protected] | - Alice In Chains | +------------------------------------------------------+-----------------------+

From: [email protected] (Charles Sundheim) Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack! Nntp-Posting-Host: ursa Organization: Calvin College Lines: 41 [email protected] (Ryan Cousineau) writes: >blind driveway at 15-30 mph. For that matter, how many driveways are >long enough for a car to hit 30 mph by the end? >I eagerly await comment. Well, my driveway is... Just keep an eye out for the blue GLH Turbo that utilizes the "hit-the-ground-running" merging technique. At least I don't have a dog that you need worry about. Last week while entering a sand/gravel covered intersection in the country, I caught something unkosher out of the corner of my eye (you know that disgusting sensation when great, as-of-yet unidentified, evil is about to intimately acquaint itself with you-- kind of like knowing that that darkening shadow around you just cannot possibly be anything even remotely good, because it probably has something to do with a Boeing 747 behaving, gravitationally speaking, much like a brick). Negotiating my way into this intersection that somehow reminded me of Daytona beach (sans H2O, sun, & babes) I manage to get a glance at my impending destiny. Lucifer's own DOG. Hell's secret blend of canine-- Doberman and Rottweiler (it moved with the grace of a Doberman, yet had the hulk and jowels of the Rottweiler-- a creature with a definite *wrong* end to be at). The picture in my mirrors was fuzzy, but there was no mistaking the fangs and saliva trail. To shorten a verbose tale, my burly gaurdian-angels once again performed above and beyond the call of duty, carried the bike through the sand-trap (I honestlyhave no idea how), and left the minion of Beelzebub with a face that suspiciously resembles a Metzler tread. No blood, though-- Rats. Moral: I'm not really sure, but more and more I believe that bikers ought to be allowed to carry handguns. -Erc. _______________________________________________________________________________ C Eric Sundheim GrandRapids, MI, USA `90 Hondo VFR750f DoD# 1138 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [email protected] (douglas craig holland) Subject: Re: Non-lethal alternatives to handguns? Nntp-Posting-Host: beethoven.cs.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department Keywords: handgun mace pepper-spray taser tasp phaser Lines: 18 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes: > >Ask the Brits. Enough people have been killed by rubber bullets that they now >use them under only certain "controlled" circumstances. And they are fired >from something that looks like a tear gas launcher. > >There are smaller rubber bullets and pellets (for shotguns). I understand that >they are only intended to be discouragers, ie. for the snapping but not truly >dangerous animal. In general, they do not seem capable of really stopping >someone who wants you or past you. They are fired at very low muzzle velocity >(the .38 ball round is intended for a 400fps load). Finally, as your mother >warned you, you can put an eye out with that thing. :-) >-- Oh, OK. Just wondering. I am not a real expert on weapons, I was just wondering if they would do the job. Doug Holland

From: [email protected] (wharfie) Subject: Re: Where can I get a New York taxi? Distribution: na Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA Lines: 7 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Bob Alman) writes: > "hose" h-o-s-e Dork. d-o-r-k.

Organization: Penn State University From: Robbie Po <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Aargh! Great Hockey Coverage!! (Devils) <[email protected]> Lines: 31 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Gary L Dare) says: >Locked away, waiting for the tape-delay to start ... I think this guy is going to be just a little bit disappointed. Lemieux two, Tocchet, Mullen, Tippett, and Jagr. I buzzed my friend because I forgot who had scored Mullen's goal. I said, "Who scored? Lemieux two, Tocchet, Tippett, Jagr." The funny part was I said the "Jagr" part non-chalantly as he was in the process of scoring while I was asking this question!!! :-) All in all ABC's coverage wasn't bad. On a scale of 1-10, I give it about an 8. How were the games in the Chi/St. Louis/LA area??? >It's nice that the Devils are starting out their playoffs on network >television ... too bad that their playoff game has been preempted on >WABC-AM for an early-season Yankees baseball game! That's stupid!!! I'd complain to the television network! If I were to even see a Pirates game on instead of a Penguins game at this time of the year, I and many other Pittsburghers would surely raise hell!!! >It's a 12-2 win by the Texas Rangers ... and they're delaying the >tape-delay by another half-hour for the ballgame "highlights"!!! Texas is off to a good start, they may pull it out this year. Whoops! That belongs in rec.sport.baseball!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** Robbie Po ** PGH PENGUINS!!! "We do what comes naturally! Patrick Division Semi's '91 STANLEY CUP You see now, wait for the PENGUINS 6, Devils 3 '92 CHAMPIONS possibility, don't you see a Penguins lead, 1-0 12 STRAIGHT WINS! strong resemblance..."-DG '89

From: [email protected] (Jason Freund) Subject: Info on Medical Imaging systems Organization: College of Engineering - University of California - Davis Lines: 10 Hi, Is anyone into medical imaging? I have a good ray tracing background, and I'm interested in that field. Could you point me to some sources? Or better yet, if you have any experience, do you want to talk about what's going on or what you're working on? Thanks, Jason Freund

Subject: Re: The nonexistance of Atheists?! From: [email protected] Organization: Wesleyan University Nntp-Posting-Host: wesleyan.edu Lines: 22 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Brian Kendig) writes: > > [s.c.a quotes deleted] > > It really looks like these people have no idea at all of what it means > to be atheist. There are more Bobby Mozumder clones in the world than > I thought... Well, that explains some things; I posted on soc.religion.islam with an attached quote by Bobby to the effect that all atheists are lying evil scum, and asked if it was a commonly-held idea among muslims. I got no response. Asking about the unknown, I guess... Karl ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | "Lastly, I come to China in the hope | "All you touch and all you see | | of fulfilling a lifelong ambition - | Is all your life will ever be." | | dropping acid on the Great Wall." --Duke | --Pink Floyd | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | A Lie is still a Lie even if 3.8 billion people believe it. | -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [email protected] (Frank Crary) Subject: Re: Carrying Arms Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Distribution: usa Lines: 32 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Dan White) writes: > I have a question about the second amendment that has bothered >me for awhile. The amendment guarentees our "right to keep and bear >arms." Currently, the gun prohibitionists are trying to restrict or >eliminate our right to keep arms with the Brady Bill and the assault >weapon ban. However, haven't we already lost our right to bear arms? > It seems that in most states, like Texas, a citizen may own a >gun and carry while at his home or business. But a citizen is severely >restricted from bearing outside these areas. Here in Texas you cannot >carry in your car except when "traveling" which is usually defined as >"traveling across a county line." How did this come about? Are there >any court rulings on the legality of restricting the carrying of a >weapon outside the home? There are, but not any that would help Texans: In many states, such laws have been found to violate the state constitution. But the federal Second Amendment does not apply directly to the states. It was written to limit the federal government only. The Fourteenth Amendment was written to extend the restrictions of the Bill of Rights to the state level. However, the exact wording of the Fourteenth Amendment is very vague. The Supreme Court has been dancing around the issue without facing it directly for over 100 years. In practice, the Bill of Right (indirectly applies through the Fourteenth) applies to the state governments only if the Supreme Court has ruled that particular provision. The Court has made no such rulings on the Second Amendment. Frank Crary CU Boulder

From: [email protected] (Karl Elvis MacRae) Subject: Sport Utility Vehical comparisons? Any Opinions? Organization: Tattooed Love Boys Lines: 36 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: glare.cisco.com I just read articals on this in Road and Track and Car and Driver (Is that one mag or two? =B^), and I was wondering if people out there have any opinions that differed from what these mags have to say... I'm looking at the following three SUV's; anyone who's driven all three have any strong opinions? Ford Explorer Toyota 4Runner Nissan Pathfinder Currently I'm leaning toward the Toyota, 'cause I've had big success with Toyota trucks in the past, and 'cause I think it's the best looking of the three. But I thought I'd see if anyone has any strong opinions.... Thanks! -Karl -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Karl Elvis MacRae Software Release Support Cisco Systems [email protected] -or- [email protected] 415-688-8231 DoD# 1999 FJ1200 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "Shovels and rakes and implements of destruction" -Arlo Guthrie

From: [email protected] (Jim De Arras) Subject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News) Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Lines: 70 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Steve Manes) writes: > Jim De Arras ([email protected]) wrote: > : In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Steve > : Manes) writes: > : [...] > : > I don't know how anyone can state that gun control could have NO > : > effect on homicide rates. There were over 250 >accidental< handgun > : > homicides in America in 1990, most with licensed weapons. More > : > American children accidentally shot other children last year (15) > : > than all the handgun homicides in Great Britain. (Source: National > : > Safety Council. Please... no dictionary arguments about RATES vs > : > TOTAL NUMBERS, okay? They're offered for emphasis, not comparison). > : > > > : You're a great debater. You chose your sources of information, claim them > : to be superior. I'm not aware of using any numbers from the ozone, unless you consider those I got from you to be such. > > I've made no such claim. Please direct my attention towards any > posting of mine where I claimed superior sources of information. > It's probably because I bothered to post any references at all while > others seem content to post numbers pulled from the ozone, that > you've confused it with fact-twisting. If so, I apologize. > Yes, You state the reference, and then YOU claim it's a good or fair treatment. > : then take those twisted numbers and twist them further by trying > > Well then, here's fair opportunity for you to prove that I've "twisted > numbers." On what grounds do you contradict those references? Do you have > any citations... any sources of your own that I can take similar > gratuitous shots at? > You fail to see the differences between absolute numbers and rates. > : to compare absolute numbers between two countries that have major population > : differences, the USA and GB, and then whine that you are afraid someone might > : attack your process, and so claim the numbers are for "emphasis, not > : comparison"? Emphasis of what? > > Nitpicking and scolding is a whiney debating style, Jim. > No, you just miss the point. By your methods, I can prove gun control to be a total failure. New York's total homocide count, with it's strict gun control, is MUCH higher than Rhode Island's, with it's less strict gun control. FAR more folks are killed in New York, than Rhode Island. Therefore, according to Mane Logic(tm), gun control has made New York a much more dangerous place than Rhode Island. Remember, it's "Nitpicking" and "a whiney debating style" to point out the differences between New York and Rhode Island that might defeat my argument. > : Anything else is blowing smoke. > > You seddit, brudda. Now you agree? Wow, a break-through! > > -- > Stephen Manes [email protected] > Manes and Associates New York, NY, USA =o&>o -- Jim

From: [email protected] (Dan S.) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 51 [email protected] (Brian "Drakula" Stone) writes: >>The article also contains numbers on the number of sexual partners. >>The median number of sexual partners for all men 20-39 was 7.3. >>Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson, >>and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that >>homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general >>male population. It's a shame that we don't have a breakdown for >>straight men vs. gay/bi men -- that would show even more dramatically >>how much more promiscuous gay/bi men are. >>-- >Isn't is funny how someone who seems to know nothing about homosexuality >uses a very flawed (IMHO) source of information to pass jusgement on all >homosexual and bisexual men. It would seem more logical to say that since >the heterosexual group of men is larger then the chances of promiscuity >larger as well. In my opinion, orientation has nothing to do with it. I don't understand what you are getting at here. If the chances of promiscuity are larger, yet the rate of promiscuity is lower in the heterosexual community, doesn't that imply that the homo/bi sexual population is then even more promiscuous than the raw statistics imply? (No axe to grind here I'm just a scientist and I hate to see statistics abused.) >Men are men and they all like sex. I am a gay male. I have had sex three >times in my life, all with the same man. Before that, I was a virgin. I am a hetero man and have had sex with one woman in my life (my wife). It is very pleasing to me to be able to say that. I hope you have the same feeling as I do. I also wish that you could (if you wanted) experience the joys and trials of being committed to someone for life (there is something about marriage that makes the commitment much greater than one might expect). >So... whose promiscuous? >Just because someone is gay doesn't mean they have no morals. Just because >someone is heterosexual doesn't mean they do. Look at the world.... >Statistics alone prove that most criminals are by default hetero... Don't forget about the culture. Sadly, we don't (as a society) look upon homosexuality as normal (and as we are all too well aware, there are alot of people who condemn it). As a result, the gay population is not encouraged to develop "non-promiscuous" relationships. In fact there are many roadblocks put in the way of such committed relationships. It is as if the heterosexual community puts these blocks there so as to perpetuate the claim that gays are immoral. "My, if we allowed gays to marry, raise children ... we might just find out they're as moral as we are, can't have that can we?" Just some thoughts. Flame away. :) Dan

From: [email protected] (Les Bartel) Subject: Fast idle on 88 Ford Ranger Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: Intergraph Corporation Lines: 21 It did it again. This morning, my 88 Ford Ranger was idling at 10,000 RPM. Ok, so I exaggerated a little, but it was idling very fast. It has a 2 liter carburated engine in it, and no blipping of the throttle would cause the idle to drop back to normal (I don't think the linkage is stuck). What can I do to fix this problem? This has been a problem from time to time, but has straightened itself out - until now. I don't have a tach, but by gauging by the sound of the engine, it is idling about twice as fast as it should be. This is down from what it was idling at when I pulled up at a stop light. Many thanks for any suggestions. - les -- Les Bartel I'm going to live forever Intergraph Corporation ... or die trying Electronics Division [email protected] or [email protected] (205) 730-8537

From: [email protected] (Steve Green) Subject: Any Subaru Liberty owners out there? Article-I.D.: toyland.Steve.Green-060493151309 Organization: ITS Branch, CSIRO, Australia Lines: 16 Nntp-Posting-Host: toyland.its.csiro.au I've had my Subaru Liberty 4WD station wagon for about 8 months now. Saying I'm happy with it would be an understatement! Just great. Well built, handles beautifully, plenty of power. I've only had if 'off tar' once. Did a trip over the mountains on a narrow, windy dirt road, often _very dodgey_ in parts. The Subaru did it with ease. I havent had so much fun driving a car for years! Any other owners out there? ************************************************************************ * Steve Green * "Hey Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit outa' my hat!" * * Comms Group * "That trick never works" * * ITS Branch * "Nothin' up my sleeve - PRESTO!" * * CSIRO Australia * "No doubt about it - I gotta get another hat" * ************************************************************************

From: [email protected] (Aamir Hafeez Qazi) Subject: Re: Instead of a Saturn SC2, What??? Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 22 Distribution: na Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4 Originator: [email protected] From article <[email protected]>, by [email protected] (Tim Heckel): > For those that are interested I got my fully optioned (Air, ABS, > sunroof) '92 SE-R in September 1991 for $13,555 in Sacramento, CA. It > was one of the 1st '92s sold, few of the dealers had any, no local > dealer had an ABS equipped SE-R. I went straight to the fleet manager > at the dealership I liked, told him what I wanted, made him aware that I > knew what his price should be. He called me back with exactly what I > wanted from a dealer 125mi away, I took delivery the next day. --When I was selling Nissans last summer, I sold a '92 SE-R in early August when its supply was getting quite scarce. The car was black with ABS, Value Option Pkg, and power moonroof. I sold it for $12,900 plus tax. Naturally, my manager didn't really care to sell one of the most desirable SE-R's for virtually no profit (to the best of my knowledge)..... --Aamir Qazi -- Aamir Qazi [email protected] --Why should I care? I'd rather watch drying paint.

Subject: Re: Gamma Ray Bursters. Where are they? From: [email protected] Organization: Mankato State University Nntp-Posting-Host: vax1.mankato.msus.edu Lines: 67 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Pat) writes: > What evidence indicates that Gamma Ray bursters are very far away? > > Given the enormous power, i was just wondering, what if they are > quantum black holes or something like that fairly close by? > > Why would they have to be at galactic ranges? > > my own pet theory is that it's Flying saucers entering > hyperspace :-) > > but the reason i am asking is that most everyone assumes that they > are colliding nuetron stars or spinning black holes, i just wondered > if any mechanism could exist and place them closer in. > > pat Well, lets see....I took a class on this last fall, and I have no notes so I'll try to wing it... Here's how I understand it. Remember from stellar evolution that black holes and neutron stars(pulsars) are formed from high mass stars, M(star)=1.4M(sun). High mass stars live fast and burn hard, taking appoximately 10^5-10^7 years before going nova, or supernova. In this time, they don't live long enough to get perturbed out of the galactic plane, so any of these (if assumed to be the sources of GRB's) will be in the plane of the galaxy. Then we take the catalog of bursts that have been recieved from the various satellites around the solar system, (Pioneer Venus has one, either Pion. 10 or 11, GINGA, and of course BATSE) and we do distribution tests on our catalog. These tests all show, that the bursts have an isotropic distribution(evenly spread out in a radial direction), and they show signs of homogeneity, i.e. they do not clump in any one direction. So, unless we are sampling the area inside the disk of the galaxy, we are sampling the UNIVERSE. Not cool, if you want to figure out what the hell caused these things. Now, I suppose you are saying, "Well, we stil only may be sampling from inside the disk." Well, not necessarily. Remember, we have what is more or less an interplanetary network of burst detectors with a baseline that goes waaaay out to beyond Pluto(pioneer 11), so we should be able, with all of our detectors de tect some sort of difference in angle from satellite to satellite. Here's an analogy: You see a plane overhead. You measure the angle of the plane from the origin of your arbitrary coordinate system. One of your friends a mile away sees the same plane, and measures the angle from the zero point of his arbitrary system, which is the same as yours. The two angles are different, and you should be able to triangulate the position of your burst, and maybe find a source. To my knowledge, no one has been able to do this. I should throw in why halo, and corona models don't work, also. As I said before, looking at the possible astrophysics of the bursts, (short timescales, high energy) black holes, and pulsars exhibit much of this type of behavior. If this is the case, as I said before, these stars seem to be bound to the disk of the galaxy, especially the most energetic of the these sources. When you look at a simulated model, where the bursts are confined to the disk, but you sample out to large distances, say 750 mpc, you should definitely see not only an anisotropy towards you in all direction, but a clumping of sources in the direction of the galactic center. As I said before, there is none of these characteristics. I think that's all of it...if someone needs clarification, or knows something that I don't know, by all means correct me. I had the honor of taking the Bursts class with the person who has done the modeling of these different distributions, so we pretty much kicked around every possible distribution there was, and some VERY outrageous sources. Colliding pulsars, black holes, pulsars that are slowing down...stuff like that. It's a fun field. Complaints and corrections to: [email protected] or post here. -jeremy

From: [email protected] Subject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter? Lines: 26 Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Mark Brader) writes: >> > Can these questions be answered for a previous >> > instance, such as the Gehrels 3 that was mentioned in an earlier posting? > >> Orbital Elements of Comet 1977VII (from Dance files) >> p(au) 3.424346 >> e 0.151899 >> i 1.0988 >> cap_omega(0) 243.5652 >> W(0) 231.1607 >> epoch 1977.04110 > > >> Also, perihelions of Gehrels3 were: >> >> April 1973 83 jupiter radii >> August 1970 ~3 jupiter radii > > Where 1 Jupiter radius = 71,000 km = 44,000 mi = 0.0005 AU. So the > 1970 figure seems unlikely to actually be anything but a perijove. > Is that the case for the 1973 figure as well? > -- Sorry, _perijoves_...I'm not used to talking this language. John Garland [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Paul Moloney) Subject: Re: some thoughts. Keywords: Dan Bissell Organization: Somewhere in the Twentieth Century Lines: 14 [email protected] (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes: > Niether was he a lunatic. Would more than an entire nation be drawn >to someone who was crazy. Find an encyclopedia. Volume H. Now look up Hitler, Adolf. He had many more people than just Germans enamoured with him. P. -- moorcockpratchettdenislearydelasoulu2iainmbanksneworderheathersbatmanpjorourke clive p a u l m o l o n e y Come, let us retract the foreskin of misconception james trinity college dublin and apply the wire brush of enlightenment - GeoffM brownbladerunnersugarcubeselectronicblaylockpowersspikeleekatebushhamcornpizza

From: [email protected] (Pat Niemeyer) Subject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS? Organization: Washington University in Saint Louis, MO USA Lines: 11 Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: fegmania.wustl.edu Originator: pat@fegmania >>> Are any brands "quieter" than others? >Yes some radar detectors are less detectable by radar detector >detectors. ;-) I have a Bel-966. I just looked at the manual yesterday... and it does indeed claim to be undetectable by RDD's. Pat

From: [email protected] (Bob Sarver) Subject: Re: Question for those with popular morality Organization: Microsoft Corp. Distribution: usa Lines: 96 >/(hudson) >/And from a materialistic point of view, it could be said that the nervous >/system is just matter. What is wrong with producing chemical reactions in >/matter? > >Because this matter is different. It is alive, and self-aware. And it >feels pain. /(hudson) /If all morality were relative- big hairy deal. As I said, you appear to be the only person saying that all morality is relative. Most people I know do hold some absolutes in their moral system. I >>personally<< believe that the dignity of the individual and the right of free will are absolutes. I recognize that there are some moral systems around which don't accept this; I reject them as dangerous and anti-social (nazism, some forms of communism, fundamentalist xtianity--no, that's not a slam). But for the most part, almost every moral system agrees on these two points. (me) >and the sky, and everything in it; everything that was created came out >of God. Everything, including this matter, is part of God. Therefore, is >it wrong to put parts of God in a test tube and make It go through >reactions? Isn't that a form of blasphemy? /(hudson) /Generally, Christians believe in a Creator-Creation distinction. Other /religions believe in one big whole. I don't accept yor premises. Too bad. I know I'm right, so I get to enforce my view upon you whether you like my premise or not. And since you can't prove otherwise, there isn't even an intellectual basis for your resistance to accepting my viewpoint. >/(hudson) >/How long will it be before the "as long as it doesn't hurt someone else" >/becomes more and more relative until the only rule that is left is >/"I will do what I want to do, no matter who it hurts." > >There's a big jump between those two positions, and you know it very >well. Don't play stupid. I realize that you're trying to dispute >what you call "popular morality" by using what you think is logic, >but you're stretching this a bit too thin. /(hudson) /I don't think so. once morality becomes relative, it degenerates. I am /saying that reasoning that it is generally evil to hurt other people is bad. /(though I don't think it is sufficient.) Well, then answer me this: you seem to be opposed to moral relativism (as you call it) because it has the capacity to degenerate. Obviously, then, you would advocate a nonrelative (absolute) moral system. Whose absolutist moral system do we choose? How do we come to this decision? What about people who disagree with the chosen moral system? /(hudson) /But if morality is considered to /be relative, and this rule isn't based on anything, but is just an arbitrary /rule, people might abandon it. Fine. I can agree with most of what you typed here. However, just because morality gets based on something nonrelative does NOT mean that we have to pick your xtianity as its base. We can start a morality based on dignity of humans, freedom of choice, tolerance, etc. and NEVER EVER rely on xtianity for anything. Just because someone has a consistent moral system based on true principles does not mean that they have to involve xtianity in it. Xtianity certainly does not have a monopoly on principles of behavior; indeed, fewer religions are guiltier of violating their own principles

From: [email protected] (Beng Hang TAY) Subject: VL-bus HDD/FDD controller or IDE HDD/FDD controller? Organization: HP Singapore Notes-Server Lines: 20 Hi, I am buying a Quantum LPS240AT 245 MB hardisk and is deciding a HDD/FDD controller. Is 32-bit VL-bus HDD/FDD controller faster than 16 bit IDE HDD/FDD controller card? I hear that the VL bus controller is SLOWER than a IDE controller? Which one is true? Please shed some light by email or post. Thanks a lot. Best regards, ____________________________________________________________________________ | Beng-Hang Tay | Telnet: 520 8732 | | Singapore Networks Operation | Phone: (65) 279 8732 | | Hewlett-Packard Singapore Pte. Ltd. | Fax: (65) 272 2780 | | 1150 Depot Road | Internet: [email protected] | | Singapore 0410 | | | Republic of Singapore | | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [email protected] (Dick Koolish) Subject: Re: Flat globe Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com sp1marse@kristin (Marco Seirio) writes: >Does anybody have an algorithm for "flattening" out a globe, or any other >parametric surface, that is definied parametrically. >That is, I would like to take a sheet of paper and a knife and to be >able to calculate how I must cut in the paper so I can fold it to a >globe (or any other object). There is a library of map projections in: charon.er.usgs.gov in /pub/PROJ.4.1.3.tar.Z

From: [email protected] (Rob Boudrie) Subject: Re: The Old Key Registration Idea... Organization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma Lines: 35 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Peter Wayner) writes: >Okay, let's suppose that the NSA/NIST/Mykotronix Registered >Key system becomes standard and I'm able to buy such a system >from my local radio shack. Every phone comes with a built in >chip and the government has the key to every phone call. >I go and buy a phone and dutifully register the key. > >What's to prevent me from swapping phones with a friend or >buying a used phone at a garage sale? Whooa. The secret registered >keys just became unsynchronized. When the government comes It's very possible, even likely, that the serial number of the invididual chip is broadcast either in a standard encrypted format, so that all the big brother types need to do is listen to the traffic, get a court order (generally just by saying that they think you may be a crook) and go to it. r >to listen in, they only receive gobbledly-gook because the >secret key registered under my name isn't the right one. > >That leads me to conjecture that: > >1) The system isn't that secure. There are just two master keys >that work for all the phones in the country. The part about >registering your keys is just bogus. > >or > >2) The system is vulnerable to simple phone swapping attacks >like this. Criminals will quickly figure this out and go to >town. > >In either case, I think we need to look at this a bit deeper."'jbl)mW:wxlD2

From: [email protected] (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva) Subject: Re: O.T.O clarification Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world Lines: 48 930420 Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. The word of Sin is Restriction. Kent ([email protected]) writes: Sorry, the San Jose based Rosicrucian order is called A.M.O.R.C, I don't remember for the time being what the A.M. stand for but O.R.C is Ordo Rosae Crucis, in other words latin for Order of the Rose Cross. Response: Yes, very true. The entire title is 'The Ancient and Mystical Order Rosae Crucis'. They are located at 1342 Naglee Avenue, San Jose, California, 95191-0001, USA. They are considered different and largely unrelated by a number of sources. I've seen documentation which links them through the figure of H. Spencer Lewis. Lewis was apparently involved with Reuss, who was the O.H.O. of Ordo Templi Orientis for many years. Apparently it is also true that Lewis had a charter to form an O.T.O. body and then created A.M.O.R.C. (as a subsidiary? an interesting question). Kent: Otherwise their headquarters in San Jose has a pretty decent metaphysical bookstore, if any of you are interested in such books. And my son loves to run around in their Egyptian museum. Response: Indeed, and diagonally across the street is another metaphysical book store called 'Ram Metaphysical', wherein I've purchased some wonderful works by Crowley and others. Ram Metaphysical Books, 1749 Park Ave., San Jose, CA. (408) 294-2651. Invoke me under my stars. Love is the law, love under will. I am I! Frater (I) Nigris (DCLXVI) CCCXXXIII

From: [email protected] (Jerry Bowman) Subject: Re: Should liability insurance be required? Nntp-Posting-Host: fred.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, OCS Lines: 24 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Wm. L. Ranck) writes: >Dan J. Declerck ([email protected]) wrote: >: In states with No-fault auto-insurance, this applies. You basically insure your >: own vehicle, and the max you can sue for is about $400 (In MI, anyway). >: The point to be made with no-fault, is the fact that it removes the lawyers from the >: system, and lets people get their money faster. The removal of lawyers, reduces the >: clogs on court system, and thus, reduces government burdens, by not requiring so >: many judges. > >: does it work?? I don't know, ask the people of Michigan.... > >No, ask the people of New Jersey where the "no-fault" hoax has been >going on for years. Last I heard every state that ever got no-fault >insurance saw an increase in rates. I know that's what happened in >NJ because I lived there when it changed. Just one more reason I will >never go back to that state. >-- >******************************************************************************* >* Bill Ranck (703) 231-9503 [email protected] * >* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va. * >******************************************************************************* In Colorado my agent tells me that no fault only applies to the medical coverage.

From: [email protected] (Ravikuma Venkateswar) Subject: Re: x86 ~= 680x0 ?? (How do they compare?) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 46 [email protected] (Michael Ameres) writes: >I believe it goes or will go: >680060 >powerPC >Pentium Not quite. 66MHz Pentium - 65 SPECint92, 57 SPECfp92 . 66MHz MC98601 - 50 SPECint92, 80 SPECfp92 . Note that SPECint is more important for most real world applications. >680040 >486 As far as the 486DX2-66 goes - 32 SPECint92, 16 SPECfp92 . >680030 >386 >680020 >286=680000 >In a resent article in one of the macMags I think a 50mHz 030 accelerator was > slightly slower than a 25mHz 040 accel. But, this is using a system designed > for the 030. So, It stands to reason that a system designed for an 040 ie > quadra) would do better. So overall I'd figure 040 = 030 * 2.5 or so. > Along the same lines the new POwerPC stuff is supposed to run the system > at the level of a fast quadra, but system 8 or whatever will allow 3 times the > speed of a 040 in the powerPC based systems. and wait for the 680060. I think > it laps the pentium. Intel chips have traditionally been faster than their Motorola "equivalents" although the significance of chip speed in real world application performance is something that is highly debatable. >pro-life pro-women >-- >=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= > Michael Ameres - Internet: [email protected] -- Ravikumar Venkateswar [email protected] A pun is a no' blessed form of whit.

From: [email protected] (Douglas S. Rand) Subject: Re: Writing a Motif widget In-Reply-To: [email protected]'s message of Thu, 22 Apr 1993 17:17:40 GMT Organization: Open Software Foundation Lines: 40 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Nicholas Young) writes: I need (probably) to write one or more new Motif widgets on the HP-UX platform. Do I need the Motif private header files and source, or can I make do with the public headers that are provided? "Motif" includes Xt in this context. Yes. You'll find it almost impossible without the source at this point. It does depend on how ambitious you are and how concerned you are about compliance with the general interface and items like traversal. One widget is a multi-column list (which lots of people have already written, I am sure), and would therefore be probably be a subclass of List rather than something simple like an Xt class. Is this more difficult (in principle, not lines of code)? I'm not sure what you're asking. You could create something which is very much like a true multi-column list by placing several lists within a geometry manager, and putting that manager within an automatic scrolled window. This wouldn't be good for very large lists, but you might consider this as an alternative. Alternatively, if anyone has a multi-column list widget they could sell me, this might save me from having to write one! Does it by any chance exist in Motif 1.2 already (I do not yet have the spec)? Motif 1.2 does not have a multi-column list in it. Have you looked at commercial sets? There are also some PD widget sets, one of these might have a multi-column list you could port. -- Douglas S. Rand <[email protected]> OSF/Motif Dev. Snail: 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142 Disclaimer: I don't know if OSF agrees with me... let's vote on it. Amateur Radio: KC1KJ

From: [email protected] (new user) Subject: Re: The doctrine of Original Sin Organization: Intergraph Lines: 24 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (D. Andrew Byler) writes: |> Beyt ([email protected]) writes: |> |> |> 4) "Nothing unclean shall enter [heaven]" (Rev. 21.27). Therefore, |> babies are born in such a state that should they die, they are cuf off |> from God and put in hell, Oh, that must explain Matthew 18: 1) In that hour came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, "Who then is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?" 2) And he called to him a little child, and set him in the midst of them, 3) and said, "Verily I say unto you, Except ye turn, and become as little children, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven. 14) Even so it is not the will of your father who is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish. Nice thing about the Bible, you don't have to invent a bunch of convoluted rationalizations to understand it, unlike your arguments for original sin. Face it, original sin was thought up long after the Bible had been written and has no basis from the scriptures. Anthony

From: [email protected] (Jon Noring) Subject: Re: Should Christians fight? / Justifiable war Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 35 In article [email protected] (Gideon King) writes: >I posted this a couple of weeks ago, and it doesn't seem to have appeared >on the newsgroup, and I haven't had a reply from the moderator. We were >having intermittent problems with our mail at the time. Please excuse me >if you have seen this before... > >Should Christians fight? > >Last week Alastair posted some questions about fighting, and whether there >are such things as "justifiable wars". I have started looking into these >things and have jotted down my findings as I go. I haven't answered all >his questions yet, and I know what I have here is on a slightly different >tack, but possibly I'll be able to get into it more deeply later, and post >some more info soon. May I suggest the book: "Ethics" by Dr. Norm Geisler, of Dallas Theological Seminary. In it, he goes over all the arguments pro and con and in-between, and comes up with a very reasonable answer. If I have time, and there is enough interest, I may post his position. Jon Noring -- Charter Member --->>> INFJ Club. If you're dying to know what INFJ means, be brave, e-mail me, I'll send info. ============================================================================= | Jon Noring | [email protected] | | | JKN International | IP : 192.100.81.100 | FRED'S GOURMET CHOCOLATE | | 1312 Carlton Place | Phone : (510) 294-8153 | CHIPS - World's Best! | | Livermore, CA 94550 | V-Mail: (510) 417-4101 | | ============================================================================= Who are you? Read alt.psychology.personality! That's where the action is.

From: [email protected] (Robert Singleton) Subject: Re: Americans and Evolution Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Lines: 122 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: thnext.mit.edu In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Simon Clippingdale) writes: [deleted] > > ... over on alt.atheism we tend to recognise two > categories of atheism. Function format due to [email protected], I think: > > (i) weak - not(believe(gods)) > > (ii) strong - believe(not(gods)) > [deleted] > > > > I ... am [a strong atheist], and I must quibble with your assertion > that the `strong' position requires faith. I believe that no god/s, > as commonly described by theists, exist. This belief is merely an ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > opinion, formed on the basis of observation, including a certain ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > amount of introspection. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > I fully accept that I could be wrong, and will be swayed by suitably > convincing evidence. Thus while I believe that no gods exist, this does ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > not imply *faith* on my part that it is so. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Let me first say that "to believe that no gods exist" is in fact different than "not believing in a god or gods". I will argue that your latter statement, "I believe that no gods exist" does rest upon faith - that is, if you are making a POSITIVE statement that "no gods exist" (strong atheism) rather than merely saying I don't know and therefore don't believe in them and don't NOT believe in then (weak atheism). Once again, to not believe in God is different than saying I BELIEVE that God does not exist. I still maintain the position, even after reading the FAQs, that strong atheism requires faith. But first let me say the following. We might have a language problem here - in regards to "faith" and "existence". I, as a Christian, maintain that God does not exist. To exist means to have being in space and time. God does not HAVE being - God IS Being. Kierkegaard once said that God does not exist, He is eternal. With this said, I feel it's rather pointless to debate the so called "existence" of God - and that is not what I'm doing here. I believe that God is the source and ground of being. When you say that "god does not exist", I also accept this statement - but we obviously mean two different things by it. However, in what follows I will use the phrase "the existence of God" in it's 'usual sense' - and this is the sense that I think you are using it. I would like a clarification upon what you mean by "the existence of God". We also might differ upon what it means to have faith. Here is what Webster says: faith 1a: allegiance to duty or a person: LOYALTY b (1): fidelity to one's promises (2): sincerity of intentions 2a (1): belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2): belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (2): complete trust 3: something that is believed esp. with strong conviction; esp: a system ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ of religious beliefs syn see BELIEF One can never prove that God does or does not exist. When you say that you believe God does not exist, and that this is an opinion "based upon observation", I will have to ask "what observtions are you refering to?" There are NO observations - pro or con - that are valid here in establishing a POSITIVE belief. All observations can only point you in a direction - a direction that we might even be predisposed to (by predisposed I mean, for example, people whoes partents "believe in God" also tend to). To actually draw a conclusion about the "existence" or "non-existence" of God requires a leap - and you have made this leap when you actively say "I believe that God does/does not exist". Personally, I think that both statements are misguided. Arguing over the "existence" of God is precisely the wrong way to find Him (and yes, I use "Him" because a personal God is the only viable concept (IMO) - if a person wants to use "She" go ahead. Of course God is neither He nor She - but we have no choice but to anthropomorphise. If you want me to explain myself further I'll be glad to.) And please, if someone does not agree with me - even if they violently disagree - it's in no ones advantage to start name calling. If a person thinks I've misunderstood something in the FAQs, or if they they think I have not read them well enough, just point out to me the error of my ways and I correct the situation. I'm interested in a polite and well thought out discussion. > Cheers > > Simon > -- > Simon Clippingdale [email protected] > Department of Computer Science Tel (+44) 203 523296 > University of Warwick FAX (+44) 203 525714 > Coventry CV4 7AL, U.K. -- bob singleton [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Stan Burton) Subject: Long distance IR detection Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Nntp-Posting-Host: stan Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Defence Research Establishment Suffield X-Newssoftware: GRn-beta 1.16g (04.01.93) by Michael B. Smith & Mike Schwartz Mime-Version: 1.0 Lines: 19 -- I would like to be able to detect the angular position (low accuracy) of an IR emitting source at a distance of about 100 meters (more is better) in daylight. The IR source could be emitting a signature; I'm leaning toward 30 KHz square wave with 50% duty cycle. I am considering the use of a quadrant detector from Centronic Inc. to give information to a pan/tilt head to point the sensor and thus determine the angles. For the source I am considering wazing the heck out of an IR LED(s), possibly an Optek OP290 or Motorola MLED81. Wazing would mean at least 1 Amp current pulses. At this current the duty cycle of the LED drops to 10% and I would need to cycle five of them in turn to get the 50% required. Has anyone done something like this? Stan Burton (DND/CRAD/DRES/DTD/MSS/AGCG) [email protected] (403) 544-4737 DRE Suffield, Box 4000, Medicine Hat, AB, Canada, T1A 8K6

From: [email protected] Subject: Re: Where are they now? Organization: Macalester College Lines: 38 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Tom Bruno) writes: > > Wow. Leave your terminal for a few months and everyone you remember goes > away-- how depressing. Actually, there are a few familiar faces out there, > counting Bob and Kent, but I don't seem to recognize anyone else. Has anyone > heard from Graham Matthews recently, or has he gotten his degree and sailed > for Greener Pastures (tm)? > > Which brings me to the point of my posting. How many people out there have > been around alt.atheism since 1990? I've done my damnedest to stay on top of > the newsgroup, but when you fall behind, you REALLY fall behind (it's still not > as bad as rec.arts.startrek used to be, but I digress). Has anyone tried to > keep up with the deluge? Inquiring minds want to know! Also-- does anyone > keep track of where the more infamous posters to alt.atheism end up, once they > leave the newsgroup? Just curious, I guess. > > cheers, > tom bruno I am one of those people who always willl have unlimited stores of unfounded respect for people who have been on newsgroups/mailing lists longer than I have, so you certainly have my sympathy Tom. I have only been semi-regularly posting (it is TOUGHto keep up) since this February, but I have been reading and following the threads since last August: my school's newsreader was down for months and our incompetent computing services never bothered to find a new feed site, so it wasn't accepting outgoing postings. I don't think anyone keeps track of where other posters go: it's that old love 'em and leave 'em Internet for you again... best regards, ******************************************************************************** * Adam John Cooper "Verily, often have I laughed at the weaklings * * who thought themselves good simply because * * [email protected] they had no claws." * ********************************************************************************

From: [email protected] (Hossien Amehdi) Subject: Re: Reasons : was Re: was: Go Hezbollah!! Nntp-Posting-Host: tbilisi.src.honeywell.com Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center Lines: 13 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Dorin Baru) writes: ... >Now, about tough talk and arrogance, we are adults, aren't we ? Do you listen >to tough talk of american politicians ? or switch the channel ? ... I guess, I didn't make my point clear. In the case of Israel government, it is not only tough talk for its intimidation policy. After all, not many people are intimidated just by talking. Here how it goes: tough talks, followed by aggressive actions followed by taking pride of those actions and bragging about them.

From: [email protected] (Kathleen J Turner) Subject: Mystery Illness with eye problems Organization: University of Colorado at Denver Lines: 29 A friend has the following symptoms which have occurred periodically every few months for the last 3 years. An episode begins with extreme tiredness followed by: 1. traveling joint pains and stiffness affecting mostly the elbows, knees, and hips. 2. generalized muscle pains 3. tinnitus and a feeling of pressure in her ears 4. severe sweating occuring both at night and during the day 5. hemorrhaging in both eyes. Her opthamologist calls it peripheral retinal hemorhages and says it looks similar to diabetic retinopathy. (She isn't diabetic--they checked. 6. distorted color vision and distorted vision in general (telephone poles do not appear to be straight) 7. loss of peripheral vision. Many tests have been run and all are normal except for something called unidentified bright objects found on a MRI of her brain. The only thing that seems to alleviate one of these episodes is prednisone. At times she had been on 60 mg per day. Whenever she gets down to 10-15 mg the symptoms become acute again. She is quite concerned because the retinal hemorrhages are becoming worse with each episode and her vision is suffering. None of the docs she has seen have any idea what this condition is or what can be done to stop it. Any suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Kathy Turner

From: [email protected] (Shazad Barlas) Subject: Re: Manual Shift Bigots wanted Organization: University of Westminster Lines: 7 The best auto-shifters on the street (AND NOT THE TRACK) are those from Porsche... they wont change if you floor the gas during a turn.... a few years back a was in a 200SX auto (you guys call it a 240SX [without turbo]) and was going round a corner.... I floored it and next thing I know I was pointing backwards! The other drivers seemed quite amused ;-) ....Shaz....

From: [email protected] (Joshua Atkins) Subject: Re: Goalie Mask Update Organization: Allegheny College In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Valerie S. Hammerl) writes: > In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Hrivnak) writes: > > > > Here are the results after three days of voting. Remember 3pts for > >1st, 2 for 2nd, and 1 for 3rd. Also, you can still turn in votes! And.. if > >the guy isn't a regular goalie or he is retired, please include the team! > >Thanks for your time, and keep on sending in those votes! > > > Glenn Healy (NYI), Tommy Soderstron (???), Ray LeBlanc (USA). > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Soderstrom plays with Philly, but he doesn't have a moulded mask. > He's got the helmet and cage variety, in white. Or at least that's > what he wore thirteen hours ago. > Yeah but Soderstrom's mask has always appeared to be a lot bigger than the average helmet-and-cage variety. It has a certain appeal on its own josh > -- > Valerie Hammerl "Some days I have to remind him he's not > [email protected] Mario Lemieux." Herb Brooks on Claude > [email protected] Lemieux, top scorer for the Devils, but > [email protected] known for taking dumb penalties.

From: [email protected] (Gadfly) Subject: Re: California Insurance Commissioner Endorses Federal Legislation to Protect Consumers from Scam Insurance Companies Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Summary: Whatever you say. Lines: 96 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Clayton Cramer) writes: > > > You mean, since your philosophy took over, the economy has almost > > > collapsed. > > Excuse me, *my* philosophy? You don't have any idea what *my* philosophy > > is. The American economy has had its ups and downs through a number of > > prevailing economic philosophies. But then, economics is hardly a science. > In my lifetime, your philosophy -- socialism masquerading as a liberal > welfare state -- has been in ascendancy. Yo--earth to Clayton--*my* philosophy? I have never discussed this with you. I know it's a minor point, but, gee, dude, you have no idea what economic and political principles I adhere to. But don't let that stop you--you're on a roll. Just ascribe to me whatever you want--I know you'll choose wisely. After all, I *do* believe in personal responsibility. > > No, I mean exactly what I wrote--the welfare system of the New Deal is > > wholly inadequate to cope with the current state of affairs. > Absolutely. So the response of socialists is take us even further > into socialism. Duh. What else would you *expect* a socialist to do? > > > Flash-in-the-pan? No, your subculture has utterly dominated the > > > TV and movie industries for two decades now. > > *My* subculture? My, we're getting personal. The only subculture I see > > dominating the TV and movie industries is *money*. If you'll buy it, > > they'll sell it. And as recent movements to boycott TV advertisers have > > shown, they're *very* sensitive about what sells. Whatever happened to > > personal responsibility, anyway? Or am I personally responsible for > > the decline in that, too? > To the extent that people have been encouraged to NOT be responsible > for themselves, yes. (a) Just when and where have I encouraged people not to be responsible for themselves? Be specific--but do make up random dates and heinous acts as you see fit. (b) You and I have encouraged many people to do many things. How does that in any way make our audiences less responsible for their actions? Is there a finite amount of responsibility, so (cf. conservation of energy) as I become more responsible for an occurrence by encouraging it the actual perpetrator becomes correspondingly less so? At what point does the perpetrator become completely innocent altogether? You know, this lends a whole new meaning to the term "the moral high ground". > > > Oddly enough, all the unskilled or semiskilled people I know manage > > > to find employment almost immediately. Maybe she needs to move to a > > > cheaper part of the country, where jobs are plentiful, and the cost > > > of living is lower. > > The west side of Chicago is about as cheap as it gets--squalor city. > > Tell me about all these places where it's cheap to live and jobs are > > abundant--I'll pass them on. > Sonoma County. I will pass the info on. Out of curiosity, what kind of jobs would these be? What's the demographic mix wrt race, age, culture? > > lots of employment, and utterly surrounded by socialists. Well, I suppose > > that's the sort of environment that would attract socialists, or at least > > not dissuade them. > No, it's that areas with a lot of wealthy breed socialists -- all the > spoiled rich kids, feeling guilty about their wealth. But not guilty > enough to give it away -- they just look for politicians to take MY > more limited wealth away. Life's a bitch, ain't it? Man, you've got to get out of Fornicalia--have you considered someplace perhaps geographically distant but politically more friendly to you, like, say, Indiana? Or maybe Utah? > > Well, I doubt that much of this goes to drugs--there isn't much left after > > buying food, and there is very little in the first place. Sure, you read > > about such cases now and then, but that's what makes them news. Show me > > your statistics about AFDC abuse. > I can tell you that relatives I have known, the drugs came first, the > food was secondary. I don't doubt it, but unless you can show me statistics to the contrary I will persist in my apparently dogmatic socialist belief (hey, if *you* say so) that most AFDC money really does--for better or worse in the long term--feed FDCs. *** *** Ken Perlow ***** ***** 16 Apr 93 ****** ****** 27 Germinal An CCI ***** ***** [email protected] ** ** ** ** ...L'AUDACE! *** *** TOUJOURS DE L'AUDACE! ENCORE DE L'AUDACE!

From: [email protected] Subject: Dodgers newsletter? Article-I.D.: pomona.0096A95C.A0CBE0E8 Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: Pomona College Lines: 3 Could somebody please tell me if there is a Dodgers newsletter on the Net, and if so how to subscribe? Thanks, Joel

From: mb4008@cehp11 (Morgan J Bullard) Subject: Re: Ami Pro v3.0 for sale! Distribution: na Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 18 [email protected] (MOHIT K GOYAL) writes: >Lotus Ami Pro v3.0 - $150 >Please reply if interested. >Thank you. Or you could get it new for $39.95. the phone is 800-732-3396 or 800-358-club or 800-753-7877 the address is PC Buyer's Club 62-H Montvale Ave. Stoneham, MA 02180 I don't work for them, just thought it was too good a deal to pass up. BTW, I recived mine 3 days before they said it would arrive. :) Morgan Bullard [email protected] or [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Froumentin Max) Subject: WANTED: Atomic Energy Res. Establishment (UK) techreport Organization: Laboratoire d'Informatique Fondamentale de Lille Lines: 16 Distribution: comp NNTP-Posting-Host: lifl.lifl.fr I'm looking for the following paper: Marlow, S. and Powell, M.J.D. A FORTRAN subroutine for plotting the part of a conic that is inside a given triangle. Rep. R-8336, Atomic Energy Res. Establishment, Harwell, England 1976 Or anything related (including 3D cases) Max -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Max Froumentin | Laboratoire d'Informatique | "Always better, never first." Fondamentale de Lille | - Tigran Petrossian France | -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [email protected] (Richard H.S. Kim) Subject: Need sources for HV capacitors. Article-I.D.: nic.1993Apr5.213718.4721 Distribution: usa Organization: Triacus Inc. Lines: 26 Nntp-Posting-Host: mars.calstatela.edu Recently, my video monitor went dead, no picture, some low distorted sound. I didn't hear the tell-tale cracking that indicated HV at work, nor are the filaments at the far end of the tube glowing orange, just nothing. On examining the power board, I noticed the largest capacitor with a very bad bulge at the top. Naturally, I want to replace it, but I can't find any sources. The electrolytic capacitor is 330 mF at 250WV. It has radial leads, and is roughly 1 1/2 inches long, 1 1/8" wide. The dimensions are important since the whole board fits in a metal cage, leaving little room. Living in the Los Angeles area, I've been to numerous stores (Dow Radio, All Electronics, ITC Elect, Sandy's, Yale Elect) with empty hands. Can anyone suggest sources for high-voltage capacitors? Mail order is fine, although I'd rather check out a store to compare the can. I'm going to try a video electronics store, hopefully they'll have HV caps. (By the way, the monitor is a ATARI SC1224, Goldstar circuitry, Masushita tube. Anyone else had problems?) Thanks in advance, Rich K. email> [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Keith M. Ryan) Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie (Re: An Anecdote about Islam Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 19 Distribution: world,public NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Gregg Jaeger) writes: >Well, in 1984 one was not allowed to leave the domain of authority. One >_is_ free to leave Islam. If one regards Islamic law as a curse one >should consider leaving Islam. The only way out seems to be death. --- " I'd Cheat on Hillary Too." John Laws Local GOP Reprehensitive Extolling "Traditional Family Values."

Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. From: [email protected] (Peter Gutmann) Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland Lines: 48 In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Marc Anderson) writes: >(the date I have for this is 1-26-93) >note Clinton's statements about encryption in the 3rd paragraph.. I guess >this statement doesen't contradict what you said, though. >--- cut here --- > WASHINGTON (UPI) -- The War on Drugs is about to get a fresh >start, President Clinton told delegates to the National Federation >of Police Commisioners convention in Washington. > In the first speech on the drug issue since his innaugural, >Clinton said that his planned escalation of the Drug War ``would make >everything so far seem so half-hearted that for all practical >purposes this war is only beginning now.'' He repeatedly emphasized >his view that ``regardless of what has been tried, or who has tried >it, or how long they've been trying it, this is Day One to me.'' >The audience at the convention, whose theme is ``How do we spell >fiscal relief? F-O-R-F-E-I-T-U-R-E,'' interrupted Clinton frequently >with applause. > Clinton's program, presented in the speech, follows the >outline given in his campaign position papers: a cabinet-level Drug >Czar and ``boot camps'' for first-time youthful offenders. He did, >however, cover in more detail his plans for improved enforcement >methods. ``This year's crime bill will have teeth, not bare gums,'' >Clinton said. In particular, his administration will place strict >controls on data formats and protocols, and require the registration >of so-called ``cryptographic keys,'' in the hope of denying drug >dealers the ability to communicate in secret. Clinton said the >approach could be used for crackdowns on other forms of underground >economic activity, such as ``the deficit-causing tax evaders who >live in luxury at the expense of our grandchildren.'' > Clinton expressed optimism that the drug war can be won >``because even though not everyone voted for Bill Clinton last >November, everyone did vote for a candidate who shares my sense of >urgency about fighting the drug menace. The advocates of >legalization -- the advocates of surrender -- may be very good at >making noise,'' Clinton said. ``But when the American people cast >their ballots, it only proved what I knew all along -- that the >advocates of surrender are nothing more than a microscopic fringe.'' Just doing a quick reality check here - is this for real or did someone invent it to provoke a reaction from people? It sounds more like the sort of thing you'd have heard, suitably rephrased, from the leader of a certain German political party in the 1930's.... Peter.

From: [email protected] (Robert T Walker) Subject: Memory Keywords: memory, simms, hard drive Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Distribution: oh Lines: 11 Howdy! I'm just posting this for a friend so don't reply to me! I have a friend who has some 1x9 SIMMS for sale, 8MB for $250 or 4MB for 125$. He also has a Conner 170MB hard drive for $250. It runs at 14ms. His name is John and he can be reached at his BBS called Classified Connection at (614)575-1345, he is the Sysop, and you can call him and hear his awesome voice at (614)577-9673. Adios ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- the R, the O, the B, the S-K-I

From: [email protected] (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) Subject: Re: top 10 reasons why i love CR (not for the humor impaired) Distribution: na Organization: Delco Electronics Corp. Lines: 21 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (James P. Callison) writes: >No. At six years, you are nearing the end of the design life of the >vehicle, when everything should be breaking. At that point, the >driving habits make more difference than the actual reliability >of the vehicle, so the data becomes unreliable for drawing conclusions, Bad driving habits can damage a car in a couple of months, not 6 years. If that were not the case, everyone would be driving fleet rental re-solds... And while you are considering things (factors in stat terms), how about city vs. highway driving ratios, owner vs. dealer service, extreme weather or environment, adherence (sp?) to maintenance schedules, whether the car has ever been in an accident, number of different drivers of the same car in a family, whether the car is garaged, warmed up, ... Spiros -- Spiros Triantafyllopoulos [email protected] Software Technology, Delco Electronics (317) 451-0815 GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904 [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]

From: [email protected] (rodney jacks) Subject: When is Apple going to ship CD300i's? Nntp-Posting-Host: 223.8.248.12 Organization: Motorola Inc, Austin, Texas Lines: 12 I would really like to get one of the new CD300i CDROM drives for my c650, but my local Apple doesn't know when they will be available. He doesn't even have a part number yet. Does anyone know what the part number for this drive is and when it will be available? My Apple dealer suggested I buy one of the CD300 external drives, but I don't want to pay extra for a case/power supply I'm not going to use. -Rodney Jacks ([email protected])

From: [email protected] (Nigel Allen) Subject: Brown University Ordered To Restore Two Women's Varsity Teams Organization: R-node Public Access Unix - 1 416 249 5366 Lines: 49 I found this press release from Trial Lawyers for Public Justice on another system, and thought it would be of interest on campuses where the administration or the athletics department wants to eliminate the women's ice hockey team. Women Athletes, TLP Win Sex Discrimination Ruling: Brown University Ordered to Restore Two Women's Varsity Teams To: National Desk, Sports Writer Contact: Lynette Labinger, 401-421-9794, home 401-274-7507, or Ray Marcaccio, 401-831-8900, both of Trial Lawyers For Public Justice WASHINGTON, April 16 -- The U.S. Court of Appeals for the First Circuit in Boston has upheld a U.S. District Court order requiring Brown University to immediately reinstate its women's gymnastics and volleyball teams to full varsity status. The ruling in Cohen et al. v. Brown University is the first appeals court decision in the nation applying Title IX to intercollegiate athletics. Trial Lawyers for Public Justice (TLPJ), is the national public interest law firm representing the women athletes. "This ruling makes clear what we have said all along -- if a school wants to eliminate teams before women have their fair share of opportunities to participate, they can only eliminiate men's teams," said TLPJ Executive Director Arthur Bryant, co-counsel in the case. The class action, filed April, 1992, charged Brown with violating Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972, the federal law that prohibits sex discrimination by all educational institutions receiving federal funds. Brown terminated the two women's teams as university-funded sports in May 1991, allowing them to continue to compete against varsity teams if they could raise their own funds for uniforms, travel, coaches, and all other expenses. They had also been denied admission preferences for use in recruiting new members. "This is a major victory for women and the cause of equal rights," said TLPJ lead counsel Lynette Labinger of Providence's Roney & Labinger. "Universities across America need to reevaluate their programs quickly. Title IX is the law and it's going to be enforced." Three similar Title IX appeals await decision. Colorado State University, Indiana University of Pennsylvania (IUP), and Colgate University are asking federal appeals courts to overturn court orders requiring them to reinstate or establish specific women's varsity teams. Continuing its cutting-edge Title IX activities, TLPJ is representing women athletes at IUP. In addition to Labinger and Bryant, TLPJ's legal team included: Ray Marcaccio of Blish & Cavanagh and Amato DeLuca of Mandell, DeLuca & Schwartz in Providence; and Sandra Duggan of Philadelphia. The National Women's Law Center, Women's Sports Foundation, and National Association for Girls and Women in Sports filed an amicus brief in support of TLPJ's appeal. -30-