i don't disagree with a thing you said. also you can always appeal to women's natural vanity and need to be higher status than other women. virginity is what makes a woman valuable. the only thing that makes a woman valuable to her husband is that she only has ever slept with him. anything else besides that is being a monstrosity. there is this girl i know. she seems like the nicest, most kind girl ever. she's also quite attractive, a conservative HB8 at the very very least. every guy i've seen that has seen her talks about how cute she is blah blah blah. but what does it matter? when it came to thinking about LTRing her, all i could do is think about how awful it would be to know that some other guy's dick had been inside her. and if she became the mother of my children? how could i knowingly let their mother be a female who was used abused and dumped by some jackass chad? it made me sick. i know from that experience why some men become literal cucks. because their wives have been with other men and they are self aware enough to tell themselves they might as well embrace the slut part of their wives. its the only rational way to deal with the fact that their wives have slept with other men. i'm glad i never LTRd her and nobody should ever LTR a nonvirgin. plates and dates are OK but never marry. no cherry don't marry. no hymen no diamond. as for that one girl? she's engaged now but has been for two or three years or something. is the guy a beta? i dunno, maybe that diamond ring is just being used as a shut up ring. they are livingi togehter. he might be using her as much as she is using him LOL