The naysayers are utterly clueless. The only person we have total control over is ourselves. We can not use tricks like "frame" to control another person. That would be just as morally bankrupt as their manipulations. If they won't come to the relationship in good faith then the only option is to remove yourself from it and make your own life better. These guys don't realize that if an overwhelming majority of men turned their backs and did nothing for themselves, the world would grind to a halt. No power would flow, no planes would fly, no trucks would roll, etc. They would put themselves in a desperate state in a month and be begging for forgiveness. You never hear inspiring survival stories of wimps stranded on a deserted island. Only real men. That's because many wimps have been shipwrecked but they all starved to death. I can prove the vast majority of western men are at a minimum a first wave misoginists by asking just three questions. Until men stop the absurd larping as wimps and embrace a true masculine nature I will enjoy my time, energy, and wealth somehwere else.