The naysayers are utterly clueless. The only person we have total control over is ourselves. We can not use tricks like "frame" to control another person. That would be just as morally bankrupt as their manipulations. If they won't come to the relationship in good faith then the only option is to remove yourself from it and make your own life better. These guys don't realize that if an overwhelming majority of men turned their backs and did nothing for them, the world would grind to a halt. No power would flow, no planes would fly, no trucks would roll, etc. They would be in a desperate state in a month and begging forgiveness. You never hear inspiring survival stories of women stranded on a deserted island. Only men. That's because many women have been shipwrecked but they all starved to death. I can prove the vast majority of western women are at a minimum a first wave feminist by asking just three questions. Until they stop the absurd larping as weak men and embrace a true feminine nature I will enjoy my time, energy, and wealth without them.