text: See more of Nick Taylor on Facebook ||||| CLOSE Should you warm your car up by letting it idle on cold days? One expert gives a definitive answer. GLENN RUSSELL/FREE PRESS 
   
   Commuters travel under a warning sign as they work their way down Highway 26 in Portland, Ore., earlier this month (Photo: Don Ryan, AP) 
   
   Here's a winter driving tip for you: Don't warm up your car engine. 
   
   There's no need in this modern era of fuel injection and on-board computers. Thirty seconds, a minute at the most, and you're good to go, no matter the weather outside. That's how long it takes for the oil to get from the bottom to the top of your engine, where the moving parts are. 
   
   So says Chris Lague, service writer at Partner Tire & Service in Colchester, Vt. Lague has been everything from a certified master technician to a business manager at a dealership, spending 23 years in the car business. 
   
   "Manufacturers will say about 30 seconds and then you can start driving," Lague said. "Most cars are engineered now so they'll actually warm up faster if you drive them than if you just let it sit there." 
   
   Kristen McIntyre, a stay-at-home mom in Essex, Vt., said she was aware that modern engines don't need to be warmed up. McIntyre has another reason for a quick, idle-free getaway. 
   
   "Because of the environment," she said. 
   
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   Vermont enacted a statute in 2014 that prohibits idling for more than 5 minutes out of any 60-minute period, with some exceptions, including health issues, frosted-over windshields and food refrigeration. 
   
   "It so happens cars fit their law," Lague said. "You don't have to sit there for 10 minutes. Even though there are less emissions now than ever, you're still emitting something. The state rightfully wants to protect the environment." 
   
   Dale Franklin, owner of Partner Tire, knows better than to think everyone will agree with his service writer. Franklin, who used to do a radio spot called the "Partner Car Care Minute," said even when the spot was about something he believed was "definitive," colleagues would track him down on the street to tell him he was wrong. 
   
   It didn't take long on an afternoon stroll through Burlington Town Center to find someone who didn't agree with Lague. Bill Brisson, 54, said he warms his car up for eight to 10 minutes on cold winter mornings. 
   
   "At zero or 10 below, that (engine) oil is still like molasses," Brisson said. "You don't want to start the car and start going down the road immediately. Let the crankshaft pull the oil to the top of the heads and warm up." 
   
   Run out there real quick, start the car up, go back in the house and finish your last sip of coffee, throw on your shoes and your coat, and you're out the door in eight to 10 minutes, Brisson said. 
   
   "I'm old school," he said. 
   
   Exactly, says the 41-year-old Lague. 
   
   The old school hearkens back to the days of carburetors — the fuel delivery system that preceded fuel injection, and did require warming up on cold winter days. In the cold, old days, Lague said, you had to wait 10 minutes before you even thought about getting into your car. 
   
   "It would be warm a few miles down the road, maybe," he said. 
   
   Unless you're driving a vintage 1960s muscle car with a carburetor instead of fuel injection, no warm-up is required, despite what Brisson and others like him believe, according to Lague. 
   
   "People our age were trained under people older than us," Lague said. "This is how it was done under carburetors, so this is how it has to be done now. That has pretty much gone by the wayside. It's time for the newer generation, this generation, to say, 'Look, this is the way it is now. Computers have taken over. As far as getting warm, just drive it.'" 
   
   The computer systems in today's cars have two modes, Lague explained. One mode is designed to get the car to normal operating temperature as quickly as possible. That's the mode your car is in when you start it. The other mode runs the car as efficiently as possible once it reaches operating temperature. 
   
   How about if you just want a nice warm car for the drive to work in the morning? No harm done, Lague says, but keep your warm-up to 5 minutes or less if you don't want to be a scofflaw. 
   
   Read or Share this story: http://usat.ly/2iFhvDo ||||| Roseville man posts ticket he received for warming car in own driveway Local News Roseville man posts ticket he received for warming car in own driveway A Roseville man is becoming Facebook famous after he posted a picture of a ticket he received from a Roseville cop for warming up his vehicle in his own driveway. 
   
   - A Roseville man is becoming Facebook famous after he posted a picture of a ticket he received from a Roseville cop for warming up his vehicle in his own driveway. 
   
   Nick Taylor posted the sarcastic Facebook post on Thursday, thanking the officer who gave him the ticket. According to the picture, the ticket is for his car that was left running in the driveway with no one around. 
   
   "I've never heard of any city ordinance of law like that," Taylor said. 
   
   On Thursday, it was frigidly cold and he wanted to keep his car running while he ran into his girlfriend's house. But he left it unlocked with the key in the ignition. Chief James Berlin said that's a problem. 
   
   "This is purely a public safety issue. You can't do it. You see it all the time, people hop in a running car and Steal them. Something bad happens when that occurs," Berlin said. 
   
   The post received thousands of comments and shares since he posted it. 
   
   "I mostly just put it online to see what people thought of it and see if it's happened to anyone else because I've never heard of this," Taylor said. 
   
   The ticket shows ordinance listed as 99006 but there is no ordinance in the city or state that corresponds to 99006. Under the description of the offense, it lists VEH/MOTOR ON UNATTENDED 895. Ordinance 895 is listed as being part of 'rodent control' on Roseville's website. 
   
   FOX 2 contacted the Michigan State Police for more information. Lt. Mike Shaw says there is no state law that prohibits letting your car idle with the keys in the ignition. 
   
   At this point, it seems difficult to decipher which code the officer was enforcing. Either way, Nick has an appointment on January 26th in District Court in Roseville. 
   
   The ticket shows it was written for a 1997 Chrysler Concorde - and it likely did not come equipped with remote start. Berlin said if the car would have had auto-start, this would not be an issue. 
   
   "Our officers are cognizant of the fact that some people have auto-start. Auto-start has numerous safeguards built in to prevent the car from being stolen: car must be locked, must be in gear. you cannot put the car in gear until the key is inserted into the ignition. That is done to prevent the car from being stolen. That was not the case," Berlin said. 
   
   Taylor wrote on Facebook "Let's all take a moment to thank officer dips*** K. Keary for wasting the taxpayer's money and giving me a ticket for warming up my car in my own damn driveway." 
   
   He said he regrets the swearing and calling the officer an offensive name. 
   
   See the full, unedited ticket for yourself here (WARNING, strong language used): ||||| See more of Nick Taylor on Facebook ||||| ROSEVILLE, Mich. - A Roseville man took to Facebook to insult an officer who gave him a ticket for warming up his car in his own driveway. 
   
   "Every person warms up their car," Nick Taylor said. "We live in Michigan!" 
   
   Roseville police phones have been lighting up with calls from people who are furious that Taylor was given a ticket for warming up his car. 
   
   "I was furious when I saw it," Taylor said. 
   
   Taylor said he started his car Tuesday morning to warm it up and went inside for 5 minutes. When he went back outside, he had received a ticket that said "motor vehicle unattended." 
   
   "Vehicle parked in drive with keys in ignition, motor running -- no one around," the Roseville officer wrote on the ticket. 
   
   The officer didn't knock on the door to inform Taylor of the problem. 
   
   "That would have been respectful," Taylor said. "I had no clue that this was a law, an ordinance." 
   
   Police said the key component of the case is whether the key is in the car. Using a remote starter is OK because the key isn't in the car. If the key is in the car, it's a state and local violation, because somebody could take off in the car. 
   
   "You're putting the public at risk," Roseville police Chief James Berlin said. "This is purely a public safety issue." 
   
   Taylor posted a picture of the ticket on his Facebook page and called the officer an insulting name. It's been shared more than 6,000 times and there are more than 5,000 comments. 
   
   Berlin said he's not tearing up the ticket. He's angry about the name calling. 
   
   "You see the disparaging comments he made about my officer?" Berlin said. "Drop dead." 
   
   Taylor said he didn't mean to call the officer a name, but he doesn't want the ticket. 
   
   "Unattended car?" Taylor said. "I’ve done this every day for seven years. Every person warms up their car. We live in Michigan." 
   
   Taylor is scheduled to appear in court later this month. 
   
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target: – A Michigan man is fuming after he left his car running in a driveway—and got a ticket. "Every person warms up their car," Nick Taylor tells WDIV. "We live in Michigan!" Taylor, 24, left the car idling unlocked at his girlfriend's house on a frigid morning last week. When he returned a few minutes later, he spied the $128 ticket for leaving a vehicle unattended. Taylor posted a photo of the ticket on his Facebook page and railed against the "dip----" Roseville police officer who left it there for "wasting the taxpayer's money." (He later "retracted" the insult.) The post has been shared nearly 14,000 times, but Police Chief James Berlin wasn't backing down, saying you can't leave vehicles running. "This is purely a public safety issue," he tells Fox2. "You see it all the time, people hop in a running car and steal them. Something bad happens when that occurs." And because of the original insult, Berlin says he's not about to tear up the ticket. One footnote for those who practice Taylor's habit of warming up the car: Mechanics say the old-school ritual is no longer necessary in the era of fuel-injected engines, notes USA Today. In fact, today's cars tend to warm up more quickly being driven rather than idling. (This driver faced DUI charges, though he had only caffeine in his system.)