PHILLIPUS CORNELIUS KLOPPERS
: That is totally correct.   We need to take recognizance of the fact that the AWB was a paramilitary organisation and not a military instance.   There is a difference whereby certain things were allowed.   For example, you cannot force a person to do something.   If he did not want to be under your command, you could not force him.   Therefore, as I put it in the meeting, that it was not a problem to drink.