CHAIRPERSON
Yes.  So there was firing from other police vehicles, plain and simple, isn't it?
		MR BOTHA:  That is correct, Chairperson."
And then it goes on, Chairman, over page 560 and I'm not going to read all of it, 560, 561 and 562 and then we come to 563, after some discussion was taking place between the Chair and Mr Webster and what was really going on, what was he getting at and Chairperson then says, in the middle of the page, rather line 7 of page 563:
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