MR VISSER
Yes, there may be suspicion Chairperson, certainly, but not sufficient for you to act upon.
	Chairperson what we say is it would be naive to assume for a moment that the military would go into Botswana and pick out only people who were confirmed MK people.  We know what would have happened and what did happen.  They would have hit everybody they knew were supporters of the ANC because that's what the Act talks about Chairperson.  Members or supporters of a political organisation or the political organisation itself.  That's one aspect my Learned Friend didn't deal with.  We say at least they acted against the political organisation itself.
	Chairperson then second lastly, my Learned Friend says the applicants presented no proof of MK association of these people.  May I refer you to bundle 2?  Just two references, page 4 and page 11.  At page 4 Mrs Mtsweni, that's Dick's mother - I'm sorry, Dick's daughter, gives this evidence.  
"He wanted to fight for the nation or for the freedom of the people because he was a member of Umkhonto weSizwe."