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I did not get that evidence Chairperson and he also has not mentioned it now because I was going to go further and ask him.  Mr Jikila, I've just been - sorry, Mr Thejane, I've just been corrected that you did mention that Mr Jikila was also hit with fists during the torturing.  What I also want to know, besides using fists and slapping a person and a tube method, how else would his rib have been broken?