MR LAMEY
Mr Chairman, in view of your remarks just now, I just want to point out that Mr Snyman, one of the Vlakplaas members are unfortunately ill.  He phoned me this morning and complained of an illness and it has been arranged that he will see a medical practitioner this morning.  This aspect has been discussed by me with the legal representative of Mr Du Toit, as well as that of Mr Ras, and subject to the order which your Lordship directs, it has been provisionally discussed that Mr Du Toit will follow the evidence of Mr De Kock and thereafter Mr Ras will testify.