ABRAM VAN ZYL
It is the facility that was used by persons in order to have meetings, according to our information, where discussions had happened and steps were planned that was aimed against the State.  In other words it was the aim of that project to destroy the building, to destroy the facility.  The aim of that project was not aimed against the people who attended those meetings and to kill them and that's why I'm telling you that the project was aimed against the building and not the people.