DALAQOLO WORDSWORTH LUTHULI
This Kaye, that is Magahle, he was already an Investigating Officer.  Kaye was actually in love with my nephew and he was also a member of the IFP branch in Mpumalanga.
	He was very close to my family and I personally.  Therefore Magahle used to use Kaye who was in love with my niece so that he could get information about me.  And then Magahle would also say that Kaye is an ANC member and he would want me to meet him.
	I could not have met Magahle, I couldn't meet him and the only time I met him, was when we were making funeral arrangements, that is my nephew's funeral.  That is where I had a discussion with Magahle.
	With reference to Jacob Zuma, there is no secret that I had a discussion with him.  The IFP President himself knew about this, because I told him that Jacob Zuma wanted to see me.
	Therefore there was no secret when I met Zuma because he knew already that I was going to see him.  That was before everything else happened.