MS MOODLEY
No, I think - let me explain and then maybe you can hear where I'm coming from in relation to Mr Mkhize.  I spoke with him at half past 5 yesterday afternoon for the first time and I indicated that I might require him before the Commission.  He indicated that did not have an objection to being here but because he was councillor and otherwise engaged with council work, he was not in a position to present himself at 9 o'clock and then I said to him that we would like you to keep in touch because I think it is important for you to be here.  I called him during the course of this morning and he said he would make attempts to be here by 12 o'clock, having taken the cue from consulting with you in chambers and there is now no Mr Mkhize and I'm concerned if you go on without his input, I mean my concern is we need to know that he is going to be here tomorrow at least.