MR STRYDOM
Chairperson before my learned friend continues, I just want to place on record that four of the applicants are not here yet.  The four are the people that are in custody.  Apparently two of them had to appear in some criminal court this morning.  I was informed about that yesterday, but they said they'll come here in any event.  So, but I don't know what went wrong, but apparently they are on their way and I've objection if we continue in the meantime without them.