DEPOUTCH ELESE
When he phoned me, he was with Dumisa Makoma, because they were getting information from Mandla Maduna that it is him who had done the killing and he wants us to forgive him.
	He said his application will be taken through the PAC structures and he joined the PAC while he was in prison.   They will give ...[indistinct] information to the TRC so that he can get out.  That information, I pass it to ...[indistinct] and also to the TRC to accompany me to go there, but the Investigation Unit of the TRC said it is them who is going to handle that, I mustn't go there.  It ends there, I didn't go, up until today.