ADV DE JAGER
Mr Visser, my problem with that is - I realise it will be of assistance with us, but if we've asked you to argue now - all of you, then you would not have had a record and you would have had to be prepared to argue so there is no reason why we must give you more time to argue.
	We could have asked you to argue now.  There's no reason why we should give you an extension of time in order to prepare argument.  You should have been prepared today so that you could have argued today.  It would have been helpful if you could refer to the record but we appreciate it, you've all made notes, I've made my notes and everyone made notes.  
	It would really assist us if you could file your arguments before the end of the month, the 28th of whatever the date may be because if you're only filing it round about March while we have other instances to hear again, it will also become very difficult for us to replace ourselves in the position and think about the evidence.  It's still fresh in our minds too and we would like to do it as soon as possible at least.