MR VISSER
Yes, Mr Chairman, you know, it is a difficult thing for a man who is accused of something to say I can prove that I am not there.  All that he can do is to say, you know, I can give you facts to make it easier, if possible, for you to decide and what I know is these are things that happened.  If you want to draw from that an inference, well, we would be very pleased if you would.  If you do not, well, then if, then it is not strong enough, but it is only on that basis, yes, Mr Ngoepe, Judge Ngoepe.
	I would like to go to Nicos.  Now, here again, we have a very similar situation, do we not, because is it not true that Nicos is a wealthy business man or he was a wealthy business man at some stage.  Would you agree with that?