MR MOLOI
Mr Mpshe don't we have a clarification before the applies, he has just told us that in clarification when the Chair was asking from a question that emanated from Mr Hewitt, that the IFP had no faith in the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, they merely saw it as an extension.  And then they came with captain Shlengwa and this De Klerk which I'm not sure whether it's the same De Klerk who signed as a Commissioner of Oaths as well, that this application was not filled in by himself, it was written out for him, and he had no way because he had these IFP people there.  I suppose if we could go along those lines we could get better clarification.