FERDINAND BARNARD
That is correct, Righ Verster was incorporated at a certain point because he had been at the Head Office of DCC originally, but he was a sensitive case due to his background, he had spent time in prison.  He was also involved in the Zulu factions.  The one faction hired him and then he shot dead some of the soldiers from the other faction in the mountains, so he was the type of guy who was a very sensitive issue.
	He, Verster, Price, myself, Anton Nieuwoudt, who was a former DG of Ciskei and a Colonel in Military Intelligence and the story which was told to me was that he had something or other to do with the death of Lennox Sebe, or Charles Sebe, I cannot recall, it was one of the two, who was killed in the Ciskei.
	Because he was of such a sensitive nature, he was not allowed to visit the Head Office of DCC, he had to be handled in a completely different fashion, so he was also involved.