MR HUGO
Mr Chairman, may I be permitted just to deal with one matter that has been raised by Mr Malan, as you know I act on behalf of Mr de Kock.  May I just address one question to Mr McCarter?
	Mr McCarter, I foresaw the possibility that this question was going to be asked as to whether you reported back to Mr de Kock.  We canvassed the issue with him, and let me put it to you that Mr de Kock says he blissfully unaware of this particular incident until fairly recently, about a years ago when he had been advised by the Attorney-General's office of this particular incident.  
	When you testified that you did report to him you said, I think words to the effect that you think you told him or you weren't sure, are you absolutely sure and convinced of it that you did report to Mr de    Kock?