CHAIRPERSON
But that is the point that Mr van der Bank wanted to make to you, that is why he drew your attention to it.  This invitation in 1990, this was written in 1997, where the Conservative Party specifically reacted to this application which serves before us, and they say that they did not undertake any planning outside the framework of the law.  That is the important part of the letter which Mr van der Bank has put to you for your comment.  But if I understand you correctly, Mr Douw Steyn is the channel who liaised with you on ground level and this overhead body which you understood to be the Conservative Party.