BOY VUSIMUZI GWAMANDA
That's a wonderful question.  Colonel Roets used to come to Town Prison.  I don't want to waste Mr Chairman's time, I'm quite aware of his restrictions inasfar as time is concerned.
	Roets would come and frequent the prison and spend time at the office of Lieutenant Venter and we would be called in and out.  We will always be in and out of this office.  You see the offices were situated outside the prison, not inside.  They were outside the prison premises.  We would walk there in and out as their boys and we would meet them.  
	They would play around with us you know, like little "apies" and we would be like: "thank you, baas, thank you baas" and those things.  But then we enjoyed ourselves by knowing that they knew us very well and we belonged and we could associate with them.  It was wonderful to refer to them as "baas" and they would look at us as their boys, little boys.
	You see I would like to dwell on this but I'm quite aware of Mr Chairman's time constraints.