JEFFERY T BENZIEN
No, there were other people that would visit him, like the Duty Officers, the Inspector of Detainees, District Surgeons.  What policemen visited him, I know I visited him, he accompanied me on trips into the country and mostly after his detention in Milnerton, I visited him.
	And as I say, that used to be on a Sunday afternoon more or less.  During working hours, because we had this good rapport, he was telling me things about Umkhonto weSizwe, how the whole set up worked and what have you.
	And that was in sometimes, he would get paper, he would go write, he would come back and we would work on this.