MR DORFLING
Mr Chairman, if I may just try and explain why I'm putting - I want the witness to have the opportunity to either disagree or agree with these findings.  His version was found to be untruthful, his version was rejected by Mr Justice Nugent and this is now an opportunity for the witness to say those findings are not correct, I do not agree with that and the evidence will then at the end of these proceedings show whether the findings were indeed correct or not.  I'm putting to the Committee that at the conclusion of these proceedings those will be my submissions I make and I would like the witness to have a fair opportunity to respond to these submissions I want to make.