GERRIT NICHOLAS ERASMUS
Chairperson, these meetings took place - and I've had a look at the applications of the other applicants, after they had these discussions with each other - if I remember correctly, there was about ten to fourteen days before the 14th of April - just give me a chance to check it, the 14th of April 1982, du Plessis and van Rensburg came to me at a stage and these two gentlemen, Mthimkhulu and Madaka - they discussed these two men with me and the meeting dealt with what their perceptions were and the role played by these people in these uncontrollable circumstances.
	One of the things we discussed was that Mthimkhulu, had become ill after he was released from detention.  There were major headlines in the newspapers to the effect that he had been given some kind of poison and as a result of this he landed up in hospital, I can't remember for how long he stayed there.  His condition improved and he returned to Port Elizabeth.  His condition improved to such an extent that he could continue with his general activities and with the assistance and support of Madaka, he continued to do that.