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And of course we go to 21.4.  Financial bonuses were paid to members who carried out crimes on behalf of the CCB in order to motivate them to carry out acts of violence for reasons of personal gain and again we refer you to B129 and B159.  B159 is of some importance.  One would have expected an explanation what that R12 or R14 000 was about.  Mr Chairperson, you remember that entry in the diary which nobody could explain?  It's quite clear, names and sums of money, they received it.  What for?  And we submit that you will pose the question, why was (1) as an exemption for personal gain and how much must an objector show that a person got other than showing that not only did they receive large sums of money, thousands of rands in 1988 less the valued rands than today's?  They were large sums of money, three times their salary on the entry in the diary.  But there is also another important aspect.  From the point of view of obtaining the objectives of the acts, we would submit that if this Committee grants amnesty to persons whose business it was to kill and the better the business the more money they got, doesn't the only - negate the idea of reconciliation?  It actually brings about the very opposite effect.  So this is not merely a submission which we make quite by the way, it's well-founded in fact, it is clearly provided as an exception in this sub-section.  We submit that the applicants cannot escape its consequences, Mr Chairperson.
	One can't imagine that they only had foreign mercenaries in mind when they said "for gain".  It ...(intervention)