MR STEPHENS
Okay, see Plein Street runs like this, you've got the entrance of the ANC of the Shell House which is probably 15/20 metres long, and they were all gathered in that area.  Now they've got another 5 metres or 10 metres to go to the corner, and that's where they ran from.  So they ran 5 metres - 10 metres, whatever.  So in other words whether you're saying they were actually on the corner itself or near the corner, they were in that vicinity, but maybe not at that corner at that specific time when they guard started shooting.  When the guard started shooting, then they came to the corner, the corner itself.