MR DE KLERK
I would agree to that, Mr Chairman.
	Mr Chairman, firstly I would just make the following submission, that the applicant's application for amnesty was done by himself and also later a further affidavit was obtained from the applicant by the Amnesty Commission itself.  
	Firstly, the crux of the applicant's application is firstly that he was a member of the IFP, was trained ...(indistinct) Zulu, where he received training with firearms, as he mentioned.  In his statement he also mentioned G3's and so forth.  This is not an unknown fact and surely has been testified many, many times before this Commission.
	At that stage he was 21 years of age.  He returned back to his area, that is the Baboi area near Port Shepstone.  He did not receive a firearm, he actually went and asked for a firearm, which was then handed to him.  It is my submission that out of that it seems that he was quite keen in protecting what he perceived as ...(intervention)