BERNARD MAKGABO NGOEPE
And then later he explained to Mr Phelane how he should restrict himself to an extent that Mr Phelane sort of complained that, well I'm being restricted in saying things which I wanted to say, it was precisely because the Chairperson listened to your argument and then he tried as far as it can be done at a later stage to try and direct Mr Phelane what he shouldn't ask him and what he should ask. And thereafter, after he'd indicated the parameters to Mr Phelane, and he said well Mr Phelane, I've explained the parameters to you, then you can go ahead and ask the questions, and then he went back again to say, well can I ask you for clarification, does it mean, then we started, we went back again to start again from the beginning. Surely he understood the question to be that the Chairperson has indicated to Mr Phelane the parameters of those questions and the relevance thereof.  And I think we should leave it and see whether that works.