BERNARD MAKGABO NGOEPE
Sorry, let's try to simplify this for the witness.  Actually what Mr Memani says, he is saying both you and Mr Ngo are right in saying that Ngo does not know Capt Hechter.  But he is saying, the reason why you are able to know that Ngo doesn't know Hechter, is because you had worked closely together with Mr Ngo. That is why you are able to even tell us that Ngo did not know Hechter.