PUMELELE CIVILIAN HERMANS
That was a van with a canopy.  When it passed, the only people that were easily identifiable were the people who were sitting on the sides.  Those were just in between, it was not easy for us to say whether they were men or women, but there was no indication of a child either.
	I am not sure whether there were children who were 11 years old, maybe they were taller when sitting on their seats, and they looked like adults, but the car was in motion.
	Therefore it was very difficult for us to see. Some of the things didn't happen, we couldn't see some of the things.