MR KAHANOVITZ
I didn't mean on a 50/50 basis.  You've heard his version.  Mr van Zyl's version would be that you would have a very clear understanding of what happened to the money because you were the person that arrived with the R30 000 in cash, you had a discussion, the basis of which was that not all of that money would be given to Mr Hardien.  Do you deny ever having such a discussion with Mr van Zyl?