MR VISSER
Thank you, Chairperson.  Chairperson, we have two witnesses left, two applicants, Thulo and Robertshaw.  The order in which we propose to call them is first to call Mr Thulo, his application you will find in the bundle at page 23 onwards, Chairperson.  He is ready and available and he's willing to take the oath.  He has made two requests Chairperson, to me, as far as translation is concerned.  First is that I would ask my questions to him in Afrikaans, not in English, because he feels more comfortable with that.  And secondly, that he would like to address you in Southern Sotho.  I take it that there will be an appropriate Interpreter available.