MR WAGENER
Yes, I do.  Chairman, no it's not that simple.  It's not that simple at all.  The higher structure in this instance cannot be said that they were merely involved on the basis of overall policy.  If you read page 327 of the bundle and we also heard evidence to that effect, that in this instance we had prior reconnaissance by the two smaller unit leaders some months earlier and that they reported back to their head quarters, for what purpose, Chairman?  The way I understand the evidence and also the broad mandate was that they had to return with their intelligence, they had to take it up with their head office for evaluation, for specific target identification, we've heard evidence that that was done, the prior reconnaissance, the reporting-back and then there was a specific operation set up with apparently plans identifying the specific targets and that the landmines were planted at those places, that was what I heard.