GIDEON JOHANNES NIEUWOUDT
Mr Chairperson, I can indicate some instances where this did happen 10 years after the person who gave evidence - that this person during the time of unrest had been eliminated and we can think of several other persons who were also so-called Mr X's in the earlier years.  Mr Thlapane for example, he was the first person who died so there are many such examples of persons who gave evidence and who were eliminated.  I think at that stage the process changed.