MR VISSER
Mr Chairman, at least allow me to make the submission that we don't know then if there is any question as to whether they were informers, then we don't know, unless we enter an enquiry into that issue, into that question, and how are we going to do that Mr Chairman?
	Because clearly before you make an order for the identity to be divulged Mr Chairman, one will have to have certainty as to that situation.  As far as that is concerned, Mr Chairman, they may well have simply been the spies of which Justices Harcort and Leon are talking here, thinking that what they are doing, they are doing for king and country.  We don't know, we simply don't know Mr Chairman, this is the point I am making.