RONNIE KASRILS
Well it's, I find it a little bit hard to speculate because one was not even sure whether what they're saying, let's say to Schoeman, is an actual situation or were they trying to use it as a reason to justify the fact that they're saying we can't agree.  I think they're basically using it to say we can't agree to allow anybody to come in and simply have a march because this was being done throughout South Africa.  We went to the Union Buildings with about 150,000 people on the 4th August with Madiba.
 It was the biggest ever demonstration in South Africa.  Not a street light, not a window was broken in Pretoria.  We were doing that in the klein dorpe as well.  Small dorps, small towns, big cities and what I would say is that they were just outright petrified of the democratic voice.  If we had come into Bisho, and we were in the CBD, and we wanted to stay there and we felt that, like a strike, we were going to sit down and a type of sit-in and hope this would build up pressure.  But we are human beings, we wouldn't have been able to sit there for weeks on end starving.
 We, that's why we thought maybe 24 hours.  Some of us thought maybe we could string it out to two/three days and anybody reasoning this would have realised that the marchers would have been in the CBD and as elsewhere 24/48 hours later, we would have succeeded in making our point and we would have had to have gone off.  We wouldn't have been able to break down the doors and the windows and take over Gqozo's throne and Ministry of Justice.
 They still had the guns and we were without arms.  So if there was going to be any change, it would have had to have been a velvet change like in the former East Germany and Lifesig and these places, or Czechoslovakia or so.  Certainly not Tinamin Square where the tanks came in.  This was a little like Tinamin Square because they opened fire at us in the same way.