TESTIMONY_GIVER:
  I am fine, and how are you, Sir? Mrs Magashule, can you just help us a little.  We know that you've been deeply hurt, you want to come here and tell us everything.  I will ask you to start relating your story to us.  You can now start.  (Pause)  Let her remove her earphones so that she can tell us her story.   (Pause)   ---   The reason why I am here is the fact that I want to talk about my brother, who went to exile.  I went to see him in exile.  We went to search for him while he was in exile and we discovered that he was already buried.  We wanted to see the grave.  They took us to where he was buried, and I said to them, "Can I please get his body?  I don't know how did he come here."  They said to me, "If you want his body he has to be burnt first."  Well, we went back and I asked them to give me his clothes.  They gave me his clothes, but they were so shabby.  And then we went back home.  We only got the shabby ones.  We didn't even get his identity document.  What we only got was a letter.  He wrote a letter.  We came back home.  We don't have a proof that he is dead.  We don't have a proof that he is the right person that's been buried, because we don't have any proof.  We wanted his death certificate, we couldn't find any.  We couldn't find his belongings at all.  We went to Lusaka and they said to us, "You will get everything in Gauteng."  We were in Tanzania at that time.  We came back to Gauteng, and the people in Gauteng told us they don't have any material.  We're still going up and down searching for documents.  Can the Commission please find out is he the real person?  I want to be sure that he is really dead.  I am here for help.  I will rest if I only know that he is the person who has been buried there.  We don't have parents, we are just left as orphans, and we would like to make it a point to know that our brother has been buried.