WINIFRED NKOSI
Just quickly, just briefly.  I worked with Mbongwane when I was staying at Unibel.  Just after Mr Guys left the chair.  Because of the situation, the bad situation in Crossroads, because in that time, in 1976, our kids, my kids were very involved in the struggle. So I was (indistinct). So I got to know the community. No, I was not a committee member at the time, it was just the people. I met people like Memani and I used to call him Max and then I discussed this issue of the fighting between the killings and the fighting. Then I would meet Mr - I used to see them carrying newspapers, not knowing when they ever read it, but that is when I got to know them.