CHAIRPERSON
Yes okay, what then is the real purpose of having a hearing if that is all that has to be disclosed, you know that I was involved in the bombing of the ELC, or the conspiracy to murder Adv Omar?  What is the situation if the person comes and then at a hearing gives evidence which is found not to be credible, but discloses those basic relevant facts?  For instance, we haven't made any finding obviously because we've got to listen and then deliberate, but there's fairly serious contradictions between the evidence of Mr Barnard and your client with regard to the Omar incident.