ADV STEENKAMP
Mr Chairman we don't have a specific date for this incident at all, if that is what you're asking me, sir.  Sir, if I'm, sorry to be so rude Mr Chairman.  If I'm, if my facts are correct, as far as we could establish there were no police dockets opened for this specific incident.  I am in the process of confirming that again, because we reinvestigated this matter, this specific matter again, but as far as we could establish there was no police docket opened.  I do know that in the one matter, the Khanyile matter, the victims were informed however.  Thank you sir.