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Ja, but having observed him in the witness box, it's not an unfair comment to make on the overall, but on the other hand you have Webb to say that:  "The only thing that I did during my stewardship is to authorise hurriedly and get a bomb for the purpose or a trigger for the purpose in one incident only" which is highly improbable in the circumstances and they both refused to answer questions.  Under those circumstances you can believe neither the one nor the other.  Verster has applied for amnesty.  There is no credible evidence that he had the authority in accordance with the rules.  The suggestion made in argument that even if he didn't have the authority, he believed he had the authority is negative and we will give you a reference, if we haven't already done so, but he has actually said that he went and got authority.  It is quite bizarre to speculate that he thought he may have implied authority when he himself says:  "I went and got actual authority".  It's a complete nonsensical ...  So that we believe, or rather we submit that the proper finding in relation to that is that Webster has not, Webb has not applied for amnesty.  There are unsatisfactory features in his evidence, but on the question of whether he gave authority and not to Verster, we find that there is no credible evidence that he had authority from Webb and refuse the application for Verster on that and the other grounds.