MR GORDHAN
Chairperson, these are all facts that the public is not aware of.  The relevance is the fact that Mr Ndaba's arrest led subsequently to my arrest.  As the other Committee  Members will confirm for you, Chairperson, the timing of the arrest and whether he was an informer or not are highly contentious matters in the full range of hearings that are before the Committee at this point in time.  It is not my intention to test your patience, I hope it is not your intention to stop me from trying to explore particulars ...(intervention)