MR KAHANOVITZ
But Mr Basson, to do your work properly you'd have to have some understanding, somebody would have to have given you guidelines to say "Look here, these kind of people you can break their windows, these kind of people we might burn their cars, these kind of people", Joe Verster in those cases as a matter of principle would be prepared to authorise their elimination.  Now it's the third category that I'm trying to understand.  What are the circumstances under which Joe Verster might be willing to approve the elimination of a person.  What did that person have to do?