FERDINAND BARNARD
Yes.  It snowballed so quickly and grew so quickly that it actually caught everybody unawares.  There were numerous successes and money was not a problem.  The money just came in.
	Later on for example, I took someone like Eugene Riley and recruited him and he was appointed on a probationary period as an agent.  Later, because he proved to be a good operative, they appointed him as a fixed agent and he himself, had his own substructure.  Every agent in turn had its own substructure of sources and informers and I was at the pinnacle of this hierarchy.  Just to indicate the sensitivity of the house and the application of the house, when it happened that Vlakplaas was scaled down, Mr de Kock came to me for an interview and offered that some of his top askaris and informers would be prepared to come over to me.
	He didn't want to send them over to anybody else and he didn't want them to be without an income.  It was also decided that due to the sensitivity of some of these sources, they could not be seen by me anywhere else, except there, because it was a place where there was easy access and not that much traffic overnight and over weekends.  The brothel which was managed there by the persons who I had put in command, didn't know about the other persons who were coming and going, so it wouldn't have drawn any attention of neighbouring businesses or neighbours as such.