MR VISSER
Mr Chairman, if I may interrupt.  It is beginning to occur to me that my learned friend Mr Phosa and the witness may be on two different wavelengths.  Now I don't want to say too much because I don't want to lay words in the mouths of witnesses but is there problem here not perhaps that he is assimilating a political decision with a political objective as far as the commission of the offence is concerned, or the incident is concerned?
	I'm just trying to help Mr Chairman, I don't want to say more because I don't want to put any words in the mouth of the witness but it appears to me that this may be the problem of misunderstanding between the witness and my learned friend Mr PHOSA.