MAMOGALA JACK MKOANA
On arrival, he arrived at the first scene. He was the person who instructed us that he warned us that we cannot do our - we cannot do these things there, since we are going to be disturbed by a member of the public, at that first scene.  He is the person who took us from the first scene to - he was the leader. He led us from the first scene to the second scene.
	So at the second scene they then, Mr Gerber came further, came with a bag with some extra ropes in also, it seemed like old telephone.  And then he instructed the deceased to sit down, tied his legs with a rope and used a piece of stone as the tree was very high, you know, to tie that stone to the rope and then throw it over the blue gum tree.  They did that.  They started hoisting the deceased upside down on that tree, and then after that they tied the rope on the tree.  And then further untied his belt and pulled his - because he was standing, by that time hanging upside down, they pulled his trousers up and took out his torturing machine.  Unless he was handcuffed, I mean handcuffed from behind and took out his torturing machine and started one rope on his finger and then the other piece of wire on his private parts.