MR DE JAGER
Right, then I want to refer you to page 30.  That's an affidavit you made last year on the 18th November.  There in paragraph 2 you said
"I wish to say the truth as I lied in my application form for amnesty."
You start off with that in paragraph 2 and then in paragraph 4, the last sentence:
"The deceased was with some of their followers shouting and passing bad remarks about our organisation.  I then shot him.  Happy was also in possession of a firearm but it refused to work."
Is that the truth?