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But what that does tell you about society's perception of conspiracies is that from a moral blameworthiness perspective, the fact of the conspiracy is judged by equal terms to the fact of the completed crime and where you are dealing with a set of factors that relate to the moral culpability of a person who has been engaged in the offence with the view to determining the proportionality of their response, surely one would have to take into account the factors such as - well you could only take into account what it was that they were seeking to achieve in the same way that you would in a criminal case involving conspiracy.  Yes, my learned senior also points out that insofar as Omar is concerned, our submission is that it's an attempt and it's not a ...(intervention)