MR MOLOHLANYE
Thank you, Chairperson.  The event that I'm referring to, according to the evidence that was given by the applicants - because here I'm talking about Thulani Cele, was that the people came from Umlazi and the community of Manyasene thought that was a political, that will maybe lead to a political instability in the area.  So as a structure, as a political organisation, the ANC, they took that very seriously, to the extent that these people were sentenced and sjamboked.