MR RUDOLPH
Regarding the security forces, there were more than 1000 men who were brought there with Ratels and who were all armed.  I have the figure here.  If you will allow me I will provide you with the details at a later stage.  As regards the other people, the people who did not agree with Mr de Klerk, in that week arrangements also made by the Conservative Party and the Farmers' Crisis Action and Dr Ferdie Hartzenberg then had a meeting of the Conservative Party before Mr Terre'blanche at the town hall.  So there were many people, it was not just AWB people on the whole, but when we walked there were a whole number of people but the people marched together with the AWB with the expectation of gaining access to the hall because that was the impression that Mr Terre'blanche was supposed to leave them with after I had told him that there had been an invitation to meet with and to speak to Mr Armie Venter regarding access to the hall.
	I just want to say further that the AWB people were there in uniform or most of them were in uniform and I think that we accepted responsibility for those people.  The fact that some of the people who were killed, who had been wearing khaki clothes and who did not wear the signs of the AWB, should serve as an indication of who could all have been present.  There was also of course the other situation.  There was one policeman who testified in court that he had been clothed in khaki clothes and that he mixed with the people there.  So how many agents provocateurs there were present, I cannot tell you.