CHAIRPERSON
I am mindful of that but you will also appreciate as a lawyer that we have to decide the fate of these applications on the basis of the evidence led before us, we dare not go outside the parameters of what is before us.  So please lets do what we have to do in a proper decorum.  We have to confine ourselves to that evidence that's before us and the evidence that's before us is what was subjectively perceived by the applicants to have been the situation between Mr Phewa on the one hand as a perceived member or alleged member of the SACP and themselves as members of the ANC and the conflict that existed at the time.