CHAIRPERSON
Do you think that's a fair proposition, Mr Hattingh, you put it to him or you ask him whether he saw Livingstone stab or attempt to stab Obed.  It presupposes that there are two non-existent stab wounds or many more stab wounds on the body of Obed.  Those are not the factual issues.  It was sometime during his evidence in chief the issue whether the deceased was stabbed or not came up and his simple answer was - look I don't know about it but if there are stab wounds on that body it could have been Livingstone or it could only have been Livingstone who had inflicted it.  The fact of the matter is there are no stab wounds.