MR MAPOMA
Oh, thank you, Chair.
	That is intended, Chairperson, to illustrate the independence of the Amnesty Committee.  I do not think, Chairperson, I have to belabour the point, especially in the circumstances now that the applicants themselves acknowledge these provisions.
	What seems to be the crux of the matter therefore, Chairperson, is the perceived bias from the applicants, and it is my submission, Chairperson, that I agree with my learned friend that the test is the perceived bias.  It is my submission, Chair, that perceived bias must be reasonable in the circumstances.  And it is my submission that with respect Sir, the bias which is being contended now is not reasonable.  I'm saying this, Chairperson, because the Act is ...(intervention)