ABRAM VAN ZYL
I hear what you are saying.  Firstly, we received instructions that we had to execute.  It is so that one was part of the gathering of information for certain of those projects, it is so that one was part of the presentation stage that happened and one can say that there had been a very eager interest from our side, over and above the fact that we executed instructions, and that we followed up those instructions, but it was all within the work structure.
	But it does not matter with what proposals I went to my Regional Manager or with what proposals I went to the Co-ordinator, but the eventual decision of what had to be done, and what did not have to be done, was with the Managing Director and the Chairperson, and from there we received the instructions and this is the reason why I want to tell the Honourable Commission how I understand it.