MR PHOSA
And then the strategy communication from page 6 ...[inaudible], just explain to me what you understand or what is meant in the third paragraph on page 65.  Just read it and explain to me how you understand it.
MR NIEUWOUDT
"Every Government has the purpose and objective of protecting national values against enemies and to build them out to the benefit of the nation or the group"
Is that the paragraph you're referring to?