MS THABETE
Yes Madame Chair, Mrs Umbuasi was given a Section 19.4 notice, I've got a copy here with me, it was faxed to I think Mr Falcon ...[indistinct].  I've made not of Mrs Umbuasi, again Nicky Brits, Mr Hlongwane, Mr Mtetwa to give them a Section 30 notice.  I actually spoke to Mr Lala this morning about the fact that they've been mentioned vive voce evidence so he assured me that he will prepare a Section 30 notice as soon as he has the record of the transcript.