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Chairperson, my last, just follow up on that.  Do you accept because you're not answering the question in it's entirety.  Do you accept now, I'm not asking you about the situation when you were sitting in your office on that day, I'm asking you now because we need to make a finding on the facts.  Do you accept now that there was no basis for that allegation?  There was no shooting.  So in other words there was no need to use these lethal weapons against those people, that is the question.