CHAIRPERSON
If you take a look at Section 20(3)(f), the following criteria
"The relationship between the act, omission or offence"
Okay, here we're talking about - I'm talking now in respect of the conspiracy to murder matters, Omar and Evans matters only, not the ELC.  The relationship between the offence and the political objective pursued.  Now this gets back to what I raised before about - does one not need to look at the actual physical result of the offence because the offence here is conspiracy to murder.  It's incomplete, it's complete in a sense, but incomplete in the sense that the murder wasn't actually committed.  So now the offence we've got to look at referred to in (3) is conspiracy and the political objective?  Well, it's a step away from the political objective.  The political objective can only be attained if the conspiracy was carried out and the murder performed.  So therefore, can proportionality and I'm asking this as a question, apply at all in respect of an offence such as conspiracy which is just a state of mind basically?