MR VISSER
Mr Chairman, may we say, with respect, that we are in full agreement with Justice Ngoepe.  You, we are asking you, please, to understand that we are attempting to save time and, I think, in the process, perhaps, I am wasting more time than saving time.  Please bear with me, Mr Chairman, we did intend to go through it sentence by sentence and it seems that that would be the only reasonable way to do it.  The Chair just asked you about whether you studied the application of Mr Ngo and you said you did read it.  The next question is did you tell Mr Wagenaar that you deny the allegations of Mr Ngo in so far as he implicates you in his application?