CHAIRPERSON
Yes perhaps Mr Ramawele wants to put to Mr de Kock what would be an argument on the probabilities and perhaps wants to elicit Mr de Kock's response.  Mr de Kock, let me put it to you to make it short, the point that Mr Nofomela's legal representative is making is that it is strange or improbable that if there was an attack on the police, that six of them were not injured and many of the other people were killed and wounded.  You can comment on that.