LAURENS MBATHA
At this stage, specifically, I cannot really exactly say who were they, because it was not only them.  I even spoke to the staff where Khozo was, Thembinkosi was attending school at, because at that time they wanted, actually, to come up with a position exactly what is happening with Khozo inside there.  Does he know about the thing.  It was at the time when I said I am not sure whether the Deputy-Principal, because the one I recall him very well, that I indicate that at this stage he was very innocent.  He is only young and he happens to be part of this thing and this is how he came into this thing.