JOHAN MARTIN VAN ZYL
Mr Chairman, I cannot say if it was this person at all and I cannot identify him by the photographs in this publication that's available to me either.  I only knew him by the name that Col Visser mentioned to me and that was his MK fighting name, bush name, pseudonym at the time, which was Scorpion and I'm sorry, I would have really liked to have identified the person by these pictures that are available, because it is also important to me as a person, but I am sorry, I cannot identify him as Oupa Madondo, Mr Chairman.