MS PATEL
Sorry, Mr Williams, sorry, if I may intervene at this stage, I have certain information that has been made available to me which I think is important that it is raised at this stage in order to circumvent any unnecessary delay regarding cross-examination later.  Of course Mr Booyens I'm sure will reserve his right to re-examine once this evidence has been led but I just think in order to curtail proceedings, if necessary, it's important that I lead that evidence now.