CHAIRPERSON
Yes I appreciate that.  Yes, Mr Jamie, you said that you could actually present Mr Jack's testimony then?  Yes, very well.  Is it Mr Andile Jack, if he can come forward?
And I don't know where he's going to sit, perhaps you must just make place for him to get behind the microphone?  Yes, we just want to rearrange the microphones.  Just a minute?  Mr Jack, do you hear the interpretation, just give us an indication?