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I wouldn't like to say what he is saying about this but what I'm saying is regarding what he's testifying about at the moment, it tends to suggest that Mr Phelane told a lie and I'm also alive to the fact that he's likely to be cross examined about what was said at the trial.  It is for that reason that I haven't stopped him from saying these things because he's now telling us what occurred at the trial as well and...(intervention)