TESTIMONY_GIVER:
  There was.  It was handled more specific by the technical division, which fell under Section D for Delta 3.  Later on in this specific 1980 directory I've got the name of Vaal du Toit, who was one of my officer's mates, Lieutenant Vaal du Toit, the one that was later implicated in the Motherwell bombing.  And they would give the - they would help you with time devices, specific time devices, according to the needs that you had.