MBULELO PATRICK SEBENZA
I will put it this way.  I do not want to respond to questions carelessly.  When I made the estimation around one, it was because when we went into a shop it was, we were told that we could not get in because it was five to one and the estimation with regards to 3pm is because there was a soccer match on TV.  The distance between Port Shepstone and the flats is not long.
	When we arrived we went into the room and spent some time and thereafter went out into the shade.  This took time.  And in-between the time that we sat in the shade and the time that the applicant arrived, I cannot estimate just how long it took and therefore it is difficult to answer those questions.