MS VAN DER WALT
With respect, I want to refer to what you personally said to the representative of the victims.   If there are 20 people wearing PAC T-shirts - in the history of the country people have done things for different reasons.  Now those people perhaps they decided that they also wanted to do something and just at that point they didn't have arms and they stole what they could get.   If they'd managed to get firearms they would have used those.
	There's another matter, another aspect which Mr Brink referred to and that is that Mr Botha and Mr Smuts said that they would continue with the struggle.  I want to argue that Mr Botha was completely honest with this Committee.  Mr Botha could have told you, "I as a Boer Afrikaner, who has struggled for my whole life for the Afrikaners and for the Boer people, now suddenly just because I'm applying for amnesty, I'm going to throw everything overboard".   
	But then as was pointed out to you - this banner above your head - then he wouldn't have been telling the truth because I don't believe any of these Committee members would have believed him if he'd come here and said,  "that since my early years I'd been brought up as a Boer Afrikaner and now I'm going to throw it overboard".  He didn't say, as the victims representative said, he didn't say, "I'm going to go out again and kill Black people again".  What he does say that now in our country there is a negotiating table.  He didn't say a word about the Orde Boerevolk.
	Take the Volksfront which is in Parliament, they appear every day in the house and the Volksfront says, "we are still fighting for our own State for the Afrikaner".  That's precisely what Mr Botha was saying.  Constand Viljoen doesn't say that he's going to kill Blacks when he says that.  One must see it in that light.  He's been honest, he said, "I still stand for that policy but I'm going to do that through negotiation".  I have nothing to add.