MOKOTEDI MPSHE
Mr Chairman, I'm not calling any witnesses.  Both parents, the mother and the father to Matshusu Ntema, the second incident in the last applicant's application, they've indicated that they know what has happened and it is actually their third time to attend hearings on the same incident.
	They don't want to say anything and they state clearly that they are not opposing application for amnesty but if the Committee wants them to come and say it on record, they can put it on record that they are not opposing - they don't want to testify anything.  And on the incident - the application of Monyake, the deceased's people is Annie Molelle and another, Tefo Molelle is the deceased.  
	These are not here, these are the people I'd said to the 
Committee that they were en-route by kombi with the commander Thulo to whom I was talking now.  He informed upon arrival that the mother to the deceased Tefo could not come because when he went to her to collect her, she told him that she was awaiting the other children from Johannesburg to come take charge of the children at home in order to release her to come down but since they have not arrived, she's not coming and she does not oppose the application as well.  
	The victims in the last incident - allow me to call it the Daveyton or the Benoni incident, they are not here completely.  I was informed by the logistics officer yesterday in the afternoon at about 15H30, that they called and that they received the notices on Wednesday and even if they had received it earlier they wouldn't come because they wanted this incident to be dealt with in Johannesburg because the incident took place in Johannesburg but they are not opposing the application and they don't have a lawyer if - no, no, they said they're opposing sorry, they're opposing the application but they do not need a lawyer and I said to them if they are opposing I will convey this to the Committee and I will do the questioning on their behalf and they were satisfied therewith, that is all.  I have no witnesses to call.