CHAIRPERSON
Mr Card, just one last question from me.  We can spend the whole day raising questions with you and soliciting your opinions on a number of issues, but your case, as you are perhaps now aware, has become one of the more curious cases, especially in our region for this Commission.  The key question is, who is Donald Card?, what is the truth about that.  There is the picture of, on one hand there is the picture of Donald Card?, the hero, a man who lays his life on the line, sacrificing all in order to take that fateful step of trying, of assisting Donald Wood into exile.  Donald Card? who we have to respect, to admire, to salute for tremendous courage.
 Then there is on the other hand this other  picture  of Donald Card?, if you  can  excuse my words..., Donald Card?, the monster who terrorized freedom fighters in this area.  Old peasant men who were trying to make a statement about the need for democracy in our country.  How they were terrorized and placed under terrible conditions by that Donald Card?.  The key question is who is the Donald Card? before us and as a Commission we have to come to an answer, one way or the other, on that matter.  I've already informed you in my letter  to you that it's not only Mr Yoyo, it's not only these two gentlemen, that there are several other matters which have not come for public hearing, which have cited your name, but I hope you remember the letter that I sent you in that regard.
MR CARD?: Yes.  Mr Chairman, I'm still waiting for the copies of those letters too.  Mr Chairman, can I say that it's Donald Card?, the realist, Donald Card? and I, in my original statement you will see that I,  I served in the police force and to-day, Mr Chairman, if policemen don't serve the Government that's in power, then you have no Government, you have a problem and I at that stage, not that I was backing the National Government,  I was a policeman.  You must realize, Mr Chairman, it was shortly after the war, 1946, my father was poor.  I couldn't go to University, I had to go and look for a job.  If I wasn't a returned soldier, I didn't get a job.  I ended up in the police force and I decided I would make a success of the police force, which I did, and Mr Chairman, I stuck to my guns.  The law of the country was the law, but then as I became more mature ... (interrupted).  I want to tell you who Donald Card?....