GARY JOHN KRUSER
I think you must look at my evidence more deeply.  If anyone shoots that's an isolated incident, I also say in my evidence, that specific time there's a group of factors which I had to take in account.  Someone shooting at me I think I have a right to defend myself, shoot back, that's a different incident itself.  So I think we should look at the incident itself where I explained to the learned Judge all those factors had taken account and when he asks me if someone shoots, I'll shoot back.  That's a separate incident, it doesn't mean that I would not shoot if someone shoots me back if the other factors were not there.  But I'm saying that this specific incident there was group of factors which made me decide that this was an attack being launched at us and I stick to that which I told the learned Judge.