RE MR MBANDAZAYO
If I may concede Madam Chair and Honourable Members of the Committee, also myself I think that that's the way he puts it because what I understood and also what my consultation with Letslape and him was that he has a discretion in as much as he was in the unit then, he has a discretion, unlike when they were in Umtata, where if there is money they were given money that "you go and do this operation" so whatever they get they come and declare it, the whole amount of money.  But here before that they had a problem because they had to sustain themselves and also to sustain other units because they come inside because there is already a unit that you'll meet Maseko when they infiltrated to do other operations other than repossession unit.  So they have to finance that, so he had a discretion but what he has to do is to report that "we did this operation and we had so much money, we did this with the money."  Sometimes they have to get approval before they use the money but sometimes there are pressing needs where they have to use the money before they report it.  So what I'm trying to say is that some of us are not good in presenting their cases, they seem to - it was a problem because when I consulted with him, that was the impression I have that it was a question of discretion in as much as it was a unit which was sent there to repossess and they have to come back and declare the money to Msiki but he had a discretion because he was senior inside the country because there are pressing needs, some cadres are sent inside the country, they say "look, you have to meet so and so, Lebo, such a place", so he has to finance them.  So that was the purpose of the unit, so whenever there's something left they have large sum of money, they have then to go and send it to Botswana, so that also when they are sending other cadres inside the country they have money of transporting, go to certain areas, so that's how I understood it myself and that's what I was told by Letslape that he had a discretion himself there.  Then when everything was sent inside the country then they have some resources so they will send the money and the unit will be sent to certain areas, though they have in other areas, it was a close unit which will be sent for that operation and come back with the whole amount of money and declare it because it was kept, it will be declared to the administrator who will finance all the cadres when they go to certain operations.  So the money was used for all the cadres and to transport arms and buy arms so it was not longer at his discretion now to buy arms after Letslape came in and stationed in Umtata every - some sort of a sub-head office was there other than the one in Dar-es-Salaam.