TAKALANI JOSEPH NESAMARI
If I remember the late John Managa was also with me.  If I am not mistaken also on the other section Mr Netshivale was also involved.  I can't tell you exactly whether - well I think he was around and so many other members who were involved because in the day you were not really respected, there were some young officials who just beat them there and there just to enjoy and leave.  Because with regard to interrogation in our Security section was done in a section which, well I can't tell exactly, how I can explain, the section would be regarded, based on whether one would be very confident enough, secretive, so that they would not really go out and tell exactly what happened in the days.  That is why we would like these people to be very secretive.  Although these people would be very involved, the elderly people or the senior people will be able to see that.