MR DEHAL
Thank you Mr Chairperson.  Mr Chairperson, we deal here from lines 8 downwards, Mr McBride, do you see line 8 says - "now was this ..." - or firstly before we begin with that.  You recall this person Mr Nel, who testified in the trial, and he testified to the effect that he was at the Why Not bar at the time that the operation was carried out, he was a State witness at the trial, correct?