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I just want to add something here.  I earlier 
testified that I was at no stage involved in the planning of 
the operation or the identifying of this place, but if I 
remember correctly, I and Willie Nortje went to the 
technical branch, Pretoria, just before the operation and he 
there obtained Scorpion weapons with silencers.  These were 
prepared for us there and I waited in the car.  He brought 
the weapons out in boxes, cardboard boxes.  I helped him to 
transport these to Vlakplaas.  It was only at a later stage 
that I found these weapons at a particular farm. So I was 
involved in the transporting of the weapons from security 
technical to Vlakplaas.  
	We left from Vlakplaas with quite a few vehicles in a 
convoy to a farm near the Botswana border.  The farmhouse 
was deserted. I don't know whom it belonged to.  So we went 
to this farm near the Botswana border and slept in an empty 
house that night.  The next day we all obtained weapons, 
these specific weapons.  Some of these weapons issued to us, 
were inter alia, Scorpions fitted with silencers.  I am 
saying inter alia Scorpions, if I remember correctly, we 
only had Scorpion weapons.  On that same day the weapons 
were tested at that deserted farmhouse just to check that 
they were in good working order.  
	The same night, the same evening we went to the 
Botswana border, where we drove along various dirt roads. I 
am not exactly sure of where the place was, and we walked 
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