CHAIRPERSON
Mr Mtati and Mr Ncipha, you are here to submit evidence to contradict what has been submitted to the Commission by the previous witness.  We will ask your legal representative to assist you make the statement by leading you through it and then we will then take you on some few questions just to clarify things.  We are not contemplating, at this stage, making a finding of yourselves to be perpetrators.  That process follows later on in our processes.  At this stage we are allowing you time to present your statement after the witness has done her part.  It is over to you, Sir.