MR DU TOIT
Sam Ndima I knew him, he was an elderly man but I can't remember whether he was there at that meeting.  Mr Ngobinqwa I did not know him at that time, I did not know him personally so I can't place him.  I can't remember whether Towi, as we called him, was present at that meeting.  I don't think he came to Mr Magloi's house when those few people were gathered there who wanted to talk to the Police.  I don't think he was with those people.   I can't remember that Sam Ndima was in Athlone at that stage.  If I provided transport I would remember better.