CHAIRPERSON
Just tell me something, how is it that you were convinced that shots were fired at you, when no firearms were in that other vehicle?
		MR BOTHA:  Chairperson, vehicles moved around the right-hand side and I was on the left-hand side of that vehicle.  I fired shots at the rear left-hand tyre and I saw some flashes ..." -
Commissioner Lax is quite correct -
"... which raised the suspicion in me that they were firing from the vehicle at us, flashes in the dark and also sounds of shots being fired"
and Chairperson said:
"You say you were convinced?"
and Botha said:
"At that stage, Chairperson."
and thereafter the kombi moved in front of the vehicle and stopped, so that is the picture which Botha painted.
	Chairperson as we have often submitted, in normal circumstances it is inexcusable to take the life of even a single human being.  The TRC Act however accepts that there was a conflict in this country in which very many people were injured and killed and damage done.  There was great violence going on in this country, extensive violence and the whole point of the amnesty process is succinctly summarised in the requirements for amnesty being that it must be an offence or a delict, committed within the confines of the conflict of the past, which must be associated with a political objective and Chairperson, we have sympathy for the witnesses and the other family members of the victims, the witnesses who gave evidence this morning and it's natural and we accept logical that they feel aggrieved and that they feel that they want perhaps revenge, or whatever the case may be, but the ...(intervention)