CHAIRPERSON
So from your response and the question posed by Ms Mtanga, you cannot be certain that the police are lying in this instance when you yourself say some of the items were recovered?  We are not trying to lay traps for you.  If you don't know there's no harm to saying:  "I don't know, my recollection says", there's nothing wrong about that.  What we are saying, you cannot come here and say the police are lying when you have no knowledge.  Do you follow what I am saying and approach whatever question is asked to you with that at the back of your mind.  You may proceed Ms Mtanga.