MAHLOMOLA ISAAC TLALE
In 1963 I was an organiser, a volunteering chief.  I was organising to send the boys out of the country.  I
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took the boys to the station to board the train and there somebody would meet them to take to wherever they were destined to go.   And I parted with them.   The following morning I had to go there again.  When I was just between 12th and (indistinct) I saw a car passing.  And it stopped right in front of me, they opened the door and five white men had firearms with them.  They were pointing these firearms at me.  They asked as to whether I am Isaac.  I said yes.  They said yes we are arresting you.  They were in three cars.  When I got into one of these cars I found these boys in these car.  They asked these boys is this him, they said yes.  They took me to one of the cars.  The boys said we will take him where he is staying at 9.  When they got there they searched my house and they asked my wife as to why did she allow me to roam the streets at night.  He doesn't sleep.  What time does he get home at night.  My wife said he gets home at about nine.  They took me to the Wynberg police station.  When we got there the police paraded and they asked me as to whether they know me.  They said yes, we know him.  Then they said they will take me to Pretoria and they took me there.  When we got there they took me to their army base.  They took me to a guard room.  And they said that they must be very careful, I am dangerous.  They said that I might escape at night.  I must be guarded all the time because I will escape.  As I was there on the third day they took me with one gentleman called Majene.  They took me to the central prison in Kerk Street.  That is where I encountered all the problems.  They interrogated me, they tortured me, they called somebody by the name of Lukes.  They wanted to know whether I know him.  I said no I don't know him.  Then they said he must just
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watch as to what they will be doing to me.  They put this plastic over my head and they tightened it.  They lit something up to 30 degrees.  My bowels started to run and somebody said this man has messed himself.  Majene hit me with something on my head and he took me to the bathroom to go and wash.  That is the end of my testimony.