MR KAHANOVITZ
I just want to put something to you that Mr Botes told to Mr Pauw, for your comment, it's at page 178 of Exhibit O.  What he says, this is starting at the second paragraph, you'll see the pencil marking, he says
"Before the transformation of the CCB, the organisation was an integral part of Special Forces."
By the way, you've already given evidence on that, you agree with that.