CHAIRPERSON
Sorry Mr Ameen, before you proceed.  Mr Tloubatla it will be recalled that your client has also made an application for amnesty in respect of the killing of somebody who is believed was a security guard.  Now you haven't led evidence in chief on that and we are of the view that at any rate that particular matter is not yet ripe for hearing, by reason of the fact that we are not satisfied that proper investigation into the matter has been done.  We feel extremely uncomfortable to adjudicate on the particular application or aspect of you client's application at this stage and unless you'd argue otherwise ... (inaudible - end of tape) such time that some reasonable effort shall have been expended in the investigation of certain aspects of the incident.  You will of course no doubt diarise the matter and keep the TRC on it's toes to (indistinct) the matter as soon as possible so that your client's should have the matter disposed of.  I do not believe that the Amnesty Committee or the TRC would just indefinitely refrain or fail to investigate the matter properly and thereby prolonging your client's agony.  I think you'd be entitled to demand of them to round up the investigations within a reasonable time and have the matter set down, but for now unless you convince us otherwise, we are of the view that that particular leg of your client's application, that is his application in respect of the killing of the person I've referred to should be stood down indefinitely.