MR JANSEN
I don't know if you have had the opportunity to peruse Mr Ras' application, it appears on page 20 and goes until page 28.  Chairperson, I must just mention that if you study that application, between pages 20 and 28, that which should have been pages 2 to 5 of the application, does not appear there, it is simply the usual personal background of the application, it has absolutely nothing to do with the facts of the case, and gradually we will submit those documents when Mr Ras gives evidence, as it is not of cardinal importance at the moment.  It simply has to do with his personal and career background.  Mr Ras' application, if I could put it to you in general terms, has on a peripheral level to do with the Duli matter, but more specifically a plan or a proposal to kill Mr Bantu Holomisa and then there were also certain steps which were taken to identify the target, with regard to Mr Holomisa.  Can you recall anything like that?