CHAIRPERSON
Yes Mr Kincaid, yes this reference to the community and organisations and so on in most instances some of these organisations in fact are the community so that I understand these applicants to say that they were either supporters, I'm not sure about membership but at least supporters of some or other ANC structure, would it be the Youth League or whatever so it appears to me as if there is not very much in dispute on that score, on whose behalf they were acting and that it clearly had even is evidence by your agreement with the other parties that it's clearly in a political sort of milieu that all this happened.