BUTANA ALMOND NOFOMELA
Let me tell you how this works.  When you move from here to Pretoria, if you have moved from Pretoria to de Kock - with de Kock to somewhere else and then when he gets to that particular place he would join the other white people and then he would join a certain group and he would do that and you don't have to drive him around in that particular place, you would only be with him when you are going back to Pretoria.  That was the case.