ROBERT NORMAN STANFORD
I'll leave that point then Mr Chairman.  I just want to say to you that - I want to confirm to you - I want to put to you the question that you now realise or should now realise that the party was, one, for elderly people gathered at a pre-Christmas function for social gathering.  By coincidence Mr Radie that afternoon had sponsored personally a Golf Tournament.  That evening he stayed on because his wife, Pam, is an excellent musician and she was playing the piano for the people at the party.  That's how it came about that Mr Radie and his wife were at that wine tasting festival.  Can you dispute that in any way?  You can't, thank you.
	The next thing I want to come to is your somewhat extraordinary story about your escape after this attack on elderly people which caused so much harm and damage.  I want to say straight away that I sympathise very much with your cause to a certain extent but I don't like some things that has happened in this particular occasion but still, the point is that when you left the party, you told us you all got in the white golf and I think if I remember correctly, you drove to Alice, you drove through a roadblock, is that right?