JUDGE MOTATA
The tenor of the evidence before us, true that he was sent by Coetzee to Botswana to look at three houses, there was a time lapse and he was approached and said:  "Can you remember those houses?"  He said yes he was sent to Hammanskraal.  At that stage Olifant knows nothing.  When he gets there, he appreciates the intended ...(indistinct), he's trained in the process.  He accompanies them.  They set up camp somewhere in Zeerust.  The other members like Coetzee and company are sent away.  They shouldn't enter the camp because that is occupied by the military people, but Olifant is there and he even goes in and his evidence is that Botswana would have been paralysed.  We had tents and tanks that were on stand-by and other helicopters hovering, so we place a man other than Coetzee and company, who at least had an appreciation of what was going to obtain in Botswana.  That's the kind of evidence we are having and that's why I ask you, I say:  "What would be", I'm not saying procedurally because we are not going to hone ourselves into what would obtain in Court, hence I steer away from procedurally fair to what is substantially fair in his evidence, which we can import and appreciate in considering his application from those facts I have sketched.