LAURENS MBATHA
I think, perhaps, I should explain the situation what happened.  It was at that time, as I have indicated, where the present Premier, Mathews Phosa, with all the argument which was made this morning, in terms of Smiles should be prepared and to be handed over.  It was at that stage, because I had to submit a report exactly what has happened to indicate that those comrades were inside there were innocent.
	Hence, to show that it is a faxed message, he could see that it has coded messages.  Instead of the grenade we talk of an apple, because it was a faxed one, it is not, actually, a message that I had to send over personally, because five days after the incident, I think it is five days or a week, I happened, also, I was also picked up.