ADV LOURENS
The, without belabouring the point, the political motive did, in fact, come out in the trial.  Just ask the Committee to have regard for the fact that in the late 80's this was not really a defence that could be relied on and that, I would submit, is why Judge Howie said to applicant number one's council in the appeal that she wisely did not rely on that aspect and that, possibly, this aspect was, well not possibly, it was never really fully canvassed in the actual trial of the matter.  I would ask the Committee to have regard to the fact that it is clear that the community from which these applicants come from do support them by having regard to the petition which forms part of the record and there was also evidence that there had been a previous petition in regard to the granting of amnesty.
	And then finally, in, I would submit that subjectively speaking each applicant at the time when the incident was perpetrated viewed, on their evidence, what they were doing as being correct and that in hindsight the remorse which has been expressed by the applicants at this hearing and by applicant number one at the Human Rights Commission speaks volumes in that regard, but that the situation they found themselves in at the time, this is what or this, applicant number one believed what he should do.