WHITE MOHAPE
I am not certain in terms of the numbers, but I am saying it is plus or minus ten to 15 times and in instances that I have been detained, when after, for instance, let me take the ones when Ngo was then already working for Erasmus.  He has been part of those people who were coming to my house and take me.  In every, also, in every instance, also, Mamome has been part of that.  He has been coming to me when they cross-question me in their offices he will be with them.  So, it is many instances that Ngo and Mamome has been present when Erasmus and Shaw will either question me or themselves, because there is one other instance after one student was killed at Zenzela Hall.
	Mamome, when I was at security branch offices after I was advised by my advocate, it was not long after the case of Ngo when he was, when I was charged for that and then I was advised by advocate to go to the security branch offices and find out what do they want me for and when I went there I found Erasmus and Shaw, Ngo was there, Mamome was there, Motsamai was there and then they, Motsamai, Mamome was asking me what has happened, why did I had to kill that student?  I said, I told him that I did not do that.  I, in actual fact, I was part of those people who were trying to protect that, the informer at that time when he was attacked and then when they took me to their car, when we were in the car, it was driven by Motsamai, they were going to check one other boy who was also alleged to be an informer and then already at that time the first one had already died and Motsamai, Momome said to me how do you feel?  
	He mention that boy by the name.  He said that, I just forgot that chaps name, he said this person has died, how do you feel about that?  I said to him what do you mean how do I feel?  Do you expect me to say I am angry or you expect me to say I am happy?  He said, yes, there is nothing that we expect from you and he was furious.  He could see, you know, if he had anything he could do anything he wanted, because he was furious about that.