MR VISSER
Mr Chairman, the reason why I interrupted the leading of the evidence is because I believe that it's proper to alert you to the fact that Mr Erasmus was referred to by one of the witnesses, one Mondi Mditswa at page 44 and perhaps I may read this Mr Chairman.  The reference starts at line 20 and it says
"The formation of COSAS posed a serious threat to the State"
Mr Chairman yes, the pages you'll observe are numbered from the middle of the pages, it makes it a little bit difficult.  I think it's one page before the one that you're on now, it's page 44.  Have you found it Mr Chairman?