PHILLIP FAIZEL MALEFANE
1990 I met Mabena.  It was at the ...(indistinct) welcome party.  He came to me to ask money for transport to go to Transkei so that he could go there and train at task force.  At that time I didn't have money with me so I took a decision that I should go out and get some money.  I met a Chris Msimeni, then I asked money from him.  I told him that there is an operation that I have to undertake.  He said to me he doesn't have money, he will tell me, so we met other people, he introduced me to those people in 1981 and then we went to Stilfontein Mines.