MR WAGENER
Chairman, if I may reply.  The incidents dealt with by the Panel in that hearing took place in the period July 86 apparently until March 87 and although I'm not 100% sure of this, but the way I remember it and this is I must stress what I was told of what happened at that hearing, these landmines were all put or placed in roads where the general public had access.  Completely different to the situation of my client, where the landmine was put on a small game track within an enclosed farm, with no access by the public and specifically not by the military, that's why I say, Mr Chairman and I intend arguing that, but I say we must still hear the evidence of these gentlemen, whether or not the unit of Mr Nondula was not on a frolic of their own.  At the time, November 1985 at the outset of this campaign, where the purpose of the campaign and I assume the instructions of Military Headquarters was as set out on page 327 of your bundle and this unit did not adhere to that at all.