CHAIRPERSON
I think understandably enough, it's certainly my experience, ...[indistinct] that after a limited period the courts just haven't got the space to keep records any more, they are sent elsewhere where they are kept for a further period and then they are destroyed.
	It is a pity.  In other cases when one has wanted to obtain, but I don't think it indicates any underhand behaviour on anyone's part, it's one of the problems of busy courts.  I'm of course old fashioned, it may be now with the modern equipment we have, that they can be put onto disks and things and kept very much more easily.  You have been ...[indistinct]