CHAIRPERSON
Ladies and gentlemen could we please have quiet.  I would like to, could we please have quiet and we will take one more witness before we break for lunch, but I would like to ask your indulgence if I could, we could change the programme around, because after lunch we have Mamatshi Mayisa telling us about Chief Ampie Mayisa and there are a number of related cases.  So what we would like to do is to take those cases together and if we could, in the meantime, before lunch please take the case and call to the witness stand Emmah Mtsweni and take her case first.  If she could please come to the witness stand.  Emmah Mtsweni, thank you.  So Tom that is you again, is it.  Could we have quiet please.  Please understand how difficult it is for the witnesses.  Ma Mtsweni, if you could, it is easier if you use the microphone.  Can you hear through the, no.  Can you hear if I speak, how does the translation come through, can you understand me.