MR BOOYENS
You see, because according to this the shooting incident in the Transkei occurred as early as the 8th of August and I'm sure that it will be very easy to find the official records of that incident as well and reluctant as I am to believe newspapers, I think they might have got that one right.  Then we have a situation on what you've said earlier on, that for two and a half months Mr Kondile was never tortured again. It's not what you say now I know.  Do you want to explain that?