TESTIMONY_GIVER:
  He had a position that had to do with schools.  He was a chairman for schools, and also he had another position in Inyandeni in the Chamber of Commerce, and we used to work together at Inyandeni.  He was able to get that position because I left it, and therefore he took over because he was my secretary.  When I left this position he took over.  When I was promoted from that position I therefore said he should take over.  Then he became a secretary.  After some time we heard that he was now Inkatha representative in Clermont.  After some time again there were voting going on in Clermont.  Suddenly we heard that he was the Member of Parliament in KwaZulu.  After a while we heard that he has already been promoted.  That was shocking.  Suddenly he was a deputy.  He was a Deputy Minister of Interior in KwaZulu Government.  That's where I think he felt he could become the head and the lord and the king in Clermont.  Even when he was walking you could tell that he was so arrogant because of the position now he held.  He tried to get into Advisory Board, but because the community of Clermont are people who are very - who keep a very low profile, and who are so - who respect, they therefore decided that that Advisory Board will belong to the community of Clermont, and Mr Makhatini was left outside. And Mr Jamile tried to get into this Board.  Unfortunately he got only seven votes in the whole of Clermont community.  In other words what I am trying to say here, the only position that he was left with is this one of being a deputy in the Zulu Government.