MR MVUDLE
The Shanga issue involves a lot.  It is convoluted.  This organisation is formed of elderly men.  Elderly men who were retrenched from the mines because Carletonville is surrounded by mines.  Criminals would rob a lot in the township.  They would rob, stab and kill those people who were employed.  Some people would be badly injured.  The community in the township then formed a group that would fight these people, these criminals.  We supported that because crime affected us all in the township.
 People's businesses deteriorated.  People could not even walk in the evenings.  Portgugese people had launched bars in the town, in the city.  Therefore people would stay in the bars in the city.  We supported these elderly men because when they started fighting the criminals the violence subsided and people would walk around the streets, but then it got a bit out of control because amongst these 
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people there were some with hidden agendas.  When members of the ANC, that were the elderly men, and then there was the youth as well.  The Youth League would clash with the elderly men.  The elderly men then started attacking the members of the Youth League and there would be disharmony in the meetings.  That was something different altogether.  
 People in the township then realised that these people had a good motive initially, but things now, somehow, have gotten out of control.  People would just be attacked sporadically, even innocent people by the very same group.  The police then started fighting them as well.  This is when things subsided.