MR STEPHENS
I think what you're trying to say is - you know, the thing is, I saw a guard standing there with the policeman.  Now you're saying that the rest of the guards were all standing there with him.  Within 4/5 metres they might have been, because you've got two pillars here - when you standing with him, I meant - I took it that you're talking them actually standing around the guy with the AK47, which I did not notice at that stage, they were a good 2 or 3 metres away from him, towards the corner because - but I think we're splitting hairs here you know, it's very - it's a small thing this here.  Basically the guard did shoot, other ANC members also shot, and I think that's the basic evidence, I don't know whether the guys were 2 metres or 3 metres away, what difference that actually does make.  I've never said that they weren't there, they were there, and I've even said that they were shooting.