TESTIMONY_GIVER:
  Mr Chairman, during November, early November - from early November onwards we were operating as a whole Vlakplaas team.  All four teams were operating in the Durban area on instructions, and as usual I reported to Brigadier van Hoven's office as officer commanding every morning at half past seven, and every afternoon at 4 o'clock for debriefing and briefing.  A few days before the 19th of November, on a morning briefing, he asked me to make a plan with Mr Mxenge.  He then in very short terms briefed me that he was an ex Robben Island convict, that he was an attorney, that they were trying to build up a case against him, because he was an acting instructing attorney in all ANC cadres cases who were caught in the country, and that an amount something R200 000,00 went through his bank account.  He then took me over to the office of then Captain Andy Taylor.