MR CURRIN
Mr Chairman I wonder if my learned colleague here could just ascertain that the witness understands precisely what he is saying.  I sense that there's confusion simply because this witness wasn't anywhere on the scene when these things happened, so if maybe my colleague could just explain which period in time he's referring to so that the witness understands whether he's referring to a time that Mr Potsane was on the parapet or before he even got to the parapet.