MR MEYER
Yes, Mr Chairman, as I've already said in their written applications they specifically mention that there were no serious human rights violations.  And I think the explanation for that would be, in the first place as I've already said, I think they did remember and they might have had more information or a better memory when the - can I call it the second written application was done.
	But I think that goes back to what I've already argued, the fact that this is a process which is strange to the applicants and I think it would be difficult for any applicant, especially a person who was previously involved and a supporter of the previous government and a member of the Security Police who are known to have used extreme methods to simply go along and in a written application already give or make or tell whoever is reading this statement exactly how extreme the methods that they used were.  And I think one has to also have regard to that factor when one looks at the written applications.