MR KNOETZE
Furthermore, I'd like to refer you to page 239 of the record, 249 of the record, I will read it to you.  It is Mr Kloppers that gives evidence
"MR KLOPPERS:  And it was said three of them did not have weapons, and Martin van der Schyff, Etienne Visser, I gave two pipe shotguns to them."
Can you remember that in his evidence he said that he gave the pipe shotguns to them?