ABRAM VAN ZYL
I never discussed anything with Mr Matthysen regarding my activities, being covert, or whatever aspect of the work it might have been.  I can admit that Mr Matthysen did know that we were working for the Defence Force, but the degree to which he knew about it and what he knew about it further, I cannot say.  You will have to ask Mr Burger about it, they were good friends.  Maybe he told him more.