MFANELO MATSHAYA
Yes, we ended up knowing that because immediately after they defected, the ANC prepared a statement, after they left the camps without permission of the leadership.  Some went to Kenya, some went to the UN embassies.  They wanted refugee status.
	At the time there were no High Commissioners.  When they got to South Africa, they were all detained for a month or two, under Section 29.  They then went out to the press conference.  I could not believe that someone, after being arrested by the Security Police, could freely go to a press conference like that.
	That was a first.  I don't even know who had organised the press conference for them.  However, what they said was really bad.  They declared to the public that they were not ANC members.  How can you tell people that you were now members of the new ANC, that you were no longer under O.R. Thambo.
	Anybody in our position, we thought that perhaps there was a coup, because even in exile when there was a mutiny, they wanted a new leadership by force.  Then they come here and refer to themselves as the new ANC, it was the same thing that they wanted to do back in the camps.  They wanted change within the ANC structures in a violent way.
	I don't know whether they had consulted with the ANC leadership back home, that they had come here and opened a new leadership, new ANC.  We were never briefed, we would be briefed therefore if they had done so by the ANC, that we should leave them alone.  We did not get that report, therefore to defend and protect the comrades around here, we decided to eliminate them.