MR VAN DER BERG
Chairperson, yes, firstly one has to go and look and see if the applicant was so strongly politically motivated or if he felt so strongly about the political situation, then we would have found that much more prominently in his documents, but we don't.
	It is possible that somebody, we can find someone who might, who was for the ANC even though he worked for the Mangope government, who wanted to take part in the South African elections.  Definitely yes, you could find people like that, but the question is if the applicant did give us that case, did make an issue out of that, that is what we have to look at, not the possibility that it might, we might have find other people who is in a similar situation, but we have to look at this applicant.
	One must also look Chairperson, if the applicant was unhappy or was angry at the Mangope government if I can put it that way, is that a sufficient reason to shoot the AWB people?  Surely that is not sufficient reason if he is angry at the Mangope to then shoot the three AWB members?
	They did not prevent that he takes part in the elections, and also the AWB at that stage, the convoy was moving out.  Mr Menyatsoe, yesterday he answered my question, he said yes, he did see the convoy, so he did see it.  The convoy couldn't have gone anywhere else except leaving Mmabatho and as Mr Terreblanche has already said, some of them were already on their way out.
	So in that context, one has to look at it whether there was real danger for him or not, and whether it was political or not.  Then we must also, I made a note here Chairperson ...