CHAIRPERSON
No that's not absolutely correct, Mr van Rensburg.  What has happened here, I've gone through the names of the applicants and he could say whether they were on the executive or not.  It's quite different from trying to ask a person to try to remember who else was there.  I'm suggesting names to him, I'm giving him names, he's saying look, now that you mention that name, he wasn't or he was.  But to ask him independently to try to remember is another matter.