CHAIRPERSON
Are you saying that the applicants are conceding that items of a non-weaponry nature had in fact been stolen in other cases or what are they saying, are they saying they can't say because we certainly, we have all these papers before us, court papers and so on, but apart from Mrs Clackers we don't have any evidence before us, really, on any other items apart from the money that Mrs Clackers has been talking about.