CHRISTOFFEL PIERRE VAN DER WESTHUIZEN
Yes.  Katzen - in respect of the Ciskei and the Transkei, Katzen was aimed at that and it wanted to establish to Xhosa people in one Xhosa country, whilst Strelitzia wanted to establish the independence of these two countries and acknowledge their independence and wanted to join these two in a sort of a partnership with the Eastern Cape, as a power base.