MR JANSEN
No, I don't know why my learned friend finds it strange.  I just want to place something on record there, that this has been an ongoing problem of which I think my learned friend is ignorant, as to what exactly the status of evidence given at other Committee meetings, and I am not taking it any further than that, Mr Chairman.
	I will just want, just the other problem that I want to place on record is, one of the problems of the process is we don't know what other incidents or other Operations Gen Van der Westhuizen has asked amnesty for.  We don't know whether he has come here, or whether he only asks for Katzen or whether there are other incidents that he asks for.