CHAIRPERSON
If they were not crimes that were being committed, is there any reason why such lengths should have been gone to as to distance the projects of the CCB from the Defence Force as such?  In other words, to have these people not on the payroll, they're private operatives, to issue them with non-issue weapons, I think it was said, that sort of thing - I mean if they were caught, then the Defence Force wouldn't be blamed?  I mean these are the lengths that were went to, front companies, front operations.  Why would they do that if they weren't realising that they were committing crimes?