MR PHOSA
I will quickly sum this up because I'm pretty sure that I don't have much support - I will argue this later but just briefly on this thing because I don't want to leave at that, You see what I'm putting to you is this, my understanding of your evidence is that politicians avoided using the word kill because that would be pretty obvious so they will use the word eliminate because it might not necessarily mean kill.  Am I getting the wrong impression of what you're saying, that you personally said: "I'm sure they mean, to kill"?