MR VISSER
Mr Chairman, I might if I may be allowed the luxury of speculating a little bit, I may be of some assistance.
	It is a fact that there were four persons that were discharged from the Ramlakan case.  The one was Mr Bhila, then there was another person by the name of Mhlati I believe it was, I will get his name in a moment, but the other two are very important, the one was Zandile and the other was Pumeso.
	So yes, Mr Chairman, Mr Malan is quite correct in his line of thinking, and you will hear later on during these hearings what happened to those two people.
	Now, you say that Bhila, we are going to refer to him as Mr Bhila because we know it was Mr Bhila, was brought there by Michael Lembede and Spyker Mhieza.  I am not going to repeat the argument about you remembering or not remembering about Spyker or being uncertain about it, I am just going to leave it, because you have dealt with it.
	But then you say there was another person who you thought might have been Mr  Letsatsi.  Now, first of all, who was Mr Letsatsi?