DR MEER
To my mind I must say that my interpretation is that those people who actually attacked and did the killing were instigated were machinated, were orchestrated by the pernicious system of apartheid to do so, and therefore I do not dwell on that too much.    But the point, the reason why I have taken the trouble to paint the scene, is because it is in the midst of this that we suffered a second arson attack.
During this time I found myself very fully involved in trying to assist people who were under threat, and I want to highlight the fact that the police literally withdrew.    I would go to the police and they would point blank say to me that these people who complained that they were going to be attacked, that they deserved the attacks that were being made on them, and the police came to no rescue.
I want to recount that at Phoenix, the Ghandi settlement, the police came, and there was a rising situation of racial tension between Indians and Africans and I asked the Casspirs loaded with the military to intervene and they remained pyramid-like stationed in their Casper and never bothered to get off to assist at all.    I want to state, that later in the day, I returned to the settlement with some food for people who were marooned on that settlement and seeing the place - the situation having worsened, I went to the police and said, please accompany me and they refused to accompany me.
I want to state that at the end of the day I returned again to Phoenix and saw the main house being set on fire and I phoned the fire brigade and I was told by the fire brigade that they had specific instructions not to go out there an help in any way.    I feel, I may be taking more time than I should and not getting on to what happened to me personally, but I - after all said and done - what happened personally to individuals was totally wrapped up with what was going on in the country at large, and therefore we need to focus on this.    
I want to quote here from a statement I had read at the time in the papers, where a representative of the public relations, police public relations in Pretoria, Colonel Jaap Venter had said that the police had instructions to keep a low profile to avoid accusations of instigation.
Instigation was so real, and they were so conscious of the fact that they had instigated this whole situation that they now actually said they wouldn't go there in order not to be accused of instigation.    In that situation, our house was arsoned, obviously because I had also become - once again - a target.    I had become, I was seen as being a little bit too active in trying to assist or, or overcome the machinations of the police and the military, of the system which always remains faceless, nameless.    
That, I would say was the last of the attacks that we ourselves suffered during those times.    I would merely like to add that both racism and tribalism were used to divide people and neighbours from each other.    I we cannot - if we do not understand the full scope of the perniciousness, the sort of diabolic planning that went into the massacres that continued in the Natal region from 1985 onwards, we will never really - we will never really see the full scope and the full cruelty of the system of apartheid.    
To my mind, it is a system which succeeded Nazism and which had within it all the elements of Nazism.    If you are to ask me what do I expect from this Truth Commission, my own feeling is that the true perpetrators, the true organisers, the true architects of apartheid will probably remain beyond the reach of this Truth Commission, ensconced as many of these personalities are in the structures of our new Government in all its structures.    In the judiciary, in the - in  Parliament itself, in the bureaucracy, and so on and so forth, and that we will be left dealing with those who ... end of Tape  1  Side  A ...   
[Indistinct] I think that this Commission has to look into the role of the press and the role of the judiciary during those times.    I have been asked to contain myself to events relating to me, and therefore I will not go into that here.    Thank you.