ADV FORD
Now, your next attempt if we understand your 
application and your evidence, was that you were going to - I am 
reading page 329, paragraph 24, the purpose was that I would on 
gradual basis by means of discussions with these four people, would 
communicate and try and illicit information from them about these 
activities in order to determine the graveness of the risk.  Now 
precisely what chance, as subtle as you may have been Mr 
Nieuwoudt, did you think there was of you getting these people to 
reveal their involvement with the ANC to you?