MR CACHALIA IN FURTHER ARGUMENT
May I just interject, I have left out one particular point before the applicants' attorneys are given an opportunity to respond I thought it was appropriate.  Just a last submission that I had intended making.  On the assumption that they had made full disclosure, on the assumption that they were entitled to amnesty on that particular basis, that there was a political objective that had to be attained, I am saying that the other matter which the Committee needs to concern, to concern itself is with the seriousness of the offence in relation to the incident that was ...(intervention)