MR MALUSI
That is why earlier on in my questioning of the applicant, I asked him specifically does he associate himself with these events, because I had that in mind.  I beg your pardon.  A final question sir, Mr Guleni, I want to put it to you that in the killing of the five APLA members, you had no political objective, the killing was purely personal on the part of your group.  It was an attempt to avoid prosecution?  What is your comment to that proposition?