SIPHO JOEL SITHOLE
That is correct.  I will take one example.  In Malukazi for instance, what we found in the process of arming our own people for purposes of self defence, is that where you allow people to buy arms on their own, as cadres of MK we had no access to those weapons, you cannot actually control those weapons.
	That was the danger that I have noticed with the Self Defence Units, where people procure arms on their own, there were a number of them.  People were actually even buying weapons, from their enemies, from the IFP.
	We knew for instance at kwaMashu hostel, a lot of firearms that were actually given to IFP people, but they started selling those firearms.  Our own people organised themselves, they go and buy from those people.
	But our main concern in that kind of activity, you have no control.  You can only control the weapons that you actually put into the hand of a person, that you know, so and so you are responsible for this weapon.
	In cases where voluntary people on their own, like in Malukazi for instance, there was a lot of infighting, people used weapons for various reasons, either for robberies or whatever, because there is no actual control.
	But what as the ANC did, we went and even I as a political leadership, go into that public platform, to educate people as to what Self Defence Units is all about and also try through our own comrades as (indistinct) level, try and (indistinct) situation if we can actually get hold of those weapons, disarm those elements, because they were not serving, because of the (indistinct) at the end of the day.