PANEL MEMBER
Mrs Calata, if I may just ask you one very simple question which 
you may be unable to answer for me and then a second one.  The first one is, are you able 
to tell us the name of the minister who came to your house that day to bring you the news? 
And the second question is ...(indistinct) the time that your husband was in 
EAST LONDON  HEARING TRC/