MR BOOYENS
Taking into consideration what I've just asked you Mr Erasmus, and taking into account that human rights violations did take place - it is a question of public record today, what was your impression - and I know you can give an impression only, what was the reaction when enquiries were made regarding these violations?  What I want to now from you actually - what was the feeling, did the politicians know or thought that they knew about these violations?  Can you answer that please?