MR CURRIN
Yes, sure, okay.  We are referring to the perceptions in the minds of the applicants, the 
perpetrators.  What we are trying to gather here, what I am trying to get on behalf of the victims is - and I 
will deal specifically with the various cases in a short while, where a - let's take for example one particular 
case, Sergeant 
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