MR VISSER
Yes, yes, I heard you give that evidence and I am really on a slightly different point right now.  We will certainly come to the issue of whether, of what you are really applying for.  What I just want to know from you, for the sake of clarity for myself and the Commission, I hope, is your reference in paragraph, in that first paragraph to volume 3 page 11 to 19 where you say it is "relevant" must I understand you now to say that they are not necessarily incidents in which you were involved or had anything to do with, but those are incidents which the Committee, you were informed that the Committee would want to hear evidence about?  Or am I misunderstanding you?