MR VAN RENSBERG
Yes, it wouldn't have beena defence, I have to concede that Mr Chairman, but we have seen the attitudeof the applicants.  I got the impression that they were quite, let's put itthis way, that they are not ashamed of what they had done, that they did itnot for themselves, but in spite of that fact, they elected not to use thatbeliefs or the strength of the belief ...