PIETER JOHANN VERSTER
There can be different approaches, Mr Chairperson, but the specific question I remember, it was a point of view from the specific advocate that this is not.  It is an Early Learning Centre, it is not necessarily a creche and this was an answer based on a technical basis and I thought based on this that this was the correct answer based on the advice of the advocate at that stage and he will probably deny it today, that that was the case.