ADV MOTATA
Taking what you have said, that probably this would come into self-defence, are you suggesting that we should close our ears to what you have said, because the impression, I speak for myself now, created is that he is taking chances and this process is not created for that purpose at all.  And we would say; let's not enter into a debate, take fuller instructions with that in mind and we will allow you, I'll implore the Chairman to allow you 10 minutes to do that.