MR WEBSTER
Mr Botha, is it your evidence as the Chairperson has summarised it, that in so far as you believed you did not shoot anybody?
		MR BOTHA:  Chairperson, I have a possibility that some of my shots may have hit the people.  I fired at the left rear of the vehicle, but it is possible that some of them, I do not know, but it may be."
It goes a bit further than that Chairperson and with respect Chairperson, I don't believe there's really anything except for one interesting scenario which you put to my learned friend.  What do we make of the fact that Wasserman had to be sent back to go and fetch weapons to plant?  We say that's clear evidence that they didn't intend to get into a gunfight with these people, because they believed, they told you so, they believed that they were armed, Chairperson.  Now on this hypothesis that the weapons in fact the fetching of the weapons and planting them, showed that they intended from the word go to eliminate them, doesn't make sense, because Chairperson we know the Security Branch had Russian weapons at their disposal, we've heard this in many cases, in many amnesty applications.  It's common cause in fact.  If they wanted to go and eliminate those people Chairperson, they would have taken Russian weapons to plant on them, just in case they were not armed and that is my submission, so in fact the fact that they were compelled to send Wasserman back shows quite clearly in my respectful submission, that there was never an intention to get involved in a fight or to kill these people outright and not to arrest them.
	Well, Chairperson, we haven't been told why there wasn't, according to Mr Webster, a full disclosure.  We don't, we're not told why it is stated that Wasserman's evidence is diametrically opposed to Steyn and Botha, we say it's the same, in fact and what is really of importance is that now at last we hear that nothing can be made of the issue of the helicopter.  So we q.e.d. Chairperson and we rest our case, thank you.