PIETER JOHANN VERSTER
May I just summarise it as follows, Mr Chairperson?  Information can come from ground level.  In the case of Region 6, there is a pre-emptive study done and this is building up the plan and then the Co-ordinator will one day come and in this case it was Christo Britz, he would come to me and he would say that they would like to make a presentation to me.  They get aside, they co-ordinated, I go for the presentations, I listened to the presentations, I will then consider it and then I say to them:  "I will talk to you later" and then I  will then clear it up and that is how I did it and then the authorisation, if it came, I will say to them:  "It is okay and there is a budget and this comes from the formal Defence Force Structures" and this, everything that I am saying to you now is something that is put in writing and has been put in writing for many years and the Commission does have it in its possession.