MR MBANDAZAYO
The iron part was taken off but Mr Chairperson I think when Mr Chairperson just ...(indistinct) ask him I think after tea break he was asking him about this sharp object, while with the doctor, he tried to come up with the explanation that the possibilities that the pickaxe when he was hitting him down, it may happen because at the end it was not round it was a damaged pickaxe, it is possible that it caused the damage.  But of course Mr Chairperson, Judge Pillay said to him well we are not interested in technicalities and all those things because all of us, we are not experts.   He was not trying to say, he was -in fact he - I'll put it this way, he was not trying to say it's him who did that, the doctor does not say it was him but he was just trying to ask whether any other particular person.  But of course he mentioned it because this other guy who had a firearm was afraid, he did not shoot and they ran away.  That's why he said it was him, he was sure that it was him who assaulted the victim, and he took his firearm.  Well I hope at the time the sanity prevailed on him not to shoot him.