MR TINTO
During the time of our arrest, under the Act, under the [indistinct] Act, we collected ourselves knowing that we are going to be arrested.  I met Looksmart Ngudle - Solwandle, he told me that he was sure that when he was - he was [indistinct] - when he was arrested he was going to be killed.
Two weeks after that, I was also arrested.  I was kept in Caledon Square.  During the three weeks that I was arrested, I heard a loud sound the policemen were celebrating.  They were saying we got Looksmart.  I don't even think that they knew his surname because they were using Looksmart which is his first name.
After a little while I was in then upper cell, my cell was just directly facing the steps.  They came with him rushing, kicking him, beating him up going up the stairs.  What I noticed after looking at him while he was going up the stairs, is that as a person who had beard, they pulled out his beard on half of his face.  It wasn't shaved as  usual, it was just some hair pulled out of the face.
He was bleeding heavily on it - from his mouth.  Something that I don't really know happened after that, my cell was opened by the police.  They threw him in, after that they were surprised to see that there was another person in here - that was me.  And now they pulled him out - during that short period, there were two policemen who had beaten him up.
It was Sergeant Greeff  and Sergeant Van Wyk who are known as Spyker.  Both those boers were beating him up.  He tried to say something, just during that time these boys were trying to ask me what he was trying to say.  So I told the police that I - I don't know what he said because I didn't hear anything.  They took him away to the next cell and then went down again.
And then in the morning there was this loud noise again.  I shouted outside through the window because I could - the other people from other cells as well I tried to shout to tell the others that Looksmart is in the boers hands and they really beat him up and I think that they are going to kill him, considering the way they were beating him up.  Now we went to sleep, on the second day I didn't see him.
On the third day I tried to be on guard just to listen what is actually going on, on the stairs.  Now I saw - I saw him with the police, but now they had covered him, handcuffed him behind his back.  Now there were three more boers with Van Wyk and Greeff.  That was actually, that was the very last time we all saw Looksmart, Solwandle with our naked eye.  That is how I saw what happened.