ANDRIES STEPHANUS KRIEL
Yes, Chairperson.  Mr Terre'blanche the leader of the AWB is a coward and I have said so at many Amnesty Committees.  If you tell people to go and do things then you are just as guilty as they are.  You have to stand your man then and if things go wrong you have to accept responsibility, but Mr Terre'blanche has refused to accept responsibility for any of these actions and I think he's left his people in the lurch.  He has distanced himself from people who are in prison and that is why these people cannot get amnesty.  You see it would be very easy for me to say but I did not give Mr Labuschagne any instructions and then outside I walk around freely, but it would mean that Mr Labuschagne would not be granted amnesty and that is why I have a problem with the AWB, and it is a serious problem that I have with them.
	I would like to elaborate there a little bit.  You have to know that at that stage when these acts of terror were committed it was against another background.  The government who took over, the ANC, came with other concessions like the Council for Volksraad.  I believe it was not in de Klerk's time, it was de Klerk said no and he hid himself behind the police and the army.  He handled the whole things wrong.