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I can remember when we were drinking there, it was a whole 
crowd of us. I think that De Kock and one or two others 
spoke to the man.  He was tied up quite a distance away from 
us.  If I can sketch the scene, if you enter the mine then 
there is a building and lean-to's on the left-hand side and 
I - that was Snyman and Vermeulen's base where they slept.  
Because they arrived there a couple of days before us.  We 
sat under the lean-to there and we made a fire and the 
askari was tied up quite some distance away from us, tied up 
to this pole.  And not within earshot, and I think De Kock 
and one or two of the others spoke to the man at some stage, 
but I was not present during any conversation.