MR VISSER
Mr Chairman, I here what you say, but we will argue otherwise.  Here he is implicating a man far more than he does so before and one would have imagined, in such a serious incident as a murder, there would have been left no doubt in his evidence in-chief if that was, in fact, the facts and that is why I am putting it to him on that basis, but I will leave it there, Mr Chairman.  Fact of the matter is at the very least, Mr Motsamai, on your own evidence you went there to murder China and if he were there, you would have killed him.  Is that what you are telling us?