TESTIMONY_GIVER:
 Well, Jacqueline was our second daughter, born in 1955, and she'd done extremely well.  She'd been head girl of her school, and thereafter went to Cape Town University, where she took a BA in languages, I think majoring in Sotho.  And then she worked as a teacher up in Lesotho, and then eventually got married to Joe, who we later found out was Leon Meyer(?).  We didn't know at the time she did that, I think for security reasons.  I think she realised that they were under threat.  Anyway, we went to go for Phoenix's first birthday.