MR VISSER
Perhaps we can just let the ritual of the bell tolling go past before we go on Chairperson.  I don't know whether I didn't count all the tolls this time, but it went very quickly this morning, it seems.  The question is this.  I'm going to put it to you again.  How certain are you that the request and you know which request I'm talking about, was made to you in 1988 and not in 1987?