MR TERREBLANCHE
(Own translation)  Mr Chairperson, that is indeed what I am suggesting.  There is evidence that the red Mercedes was the last vehicle.  This incident happened here in Mmabatho which is only a few kilometres from Bophuthatswana.
	All the evidence and in my submission with regards to all the investigations we did, is that no one saw this.  The convoy was busy retreating, they had already left.  But there was confrontation between the Defence Force and the AWB and there is evidence that they shot at each other and then it became a war.
	In this case, the AWB did not know about their Commanding Officer, Gen Fourie, Colonel Wolfaardt and Veld Cornet Uys, three senior officers were killed there and the AWB did not know about that.
	If it wasn't about peace and it was the other way around, then the AWB would still have been in Bophuthatswana and they would not have retreated.  Then the blood would have flown worse than in the French Revolution.
	To suggest that I am going to kill these people and then I will bring about peace and then the other people are going to vote, Chairperson, if it was another way around, then nobody would have voted in that election, because this country would have burnt.
	But let's get back to my argument and if you will allow me, the applicant tries to make misuse of the amnesty law.  And maybe we can understand him, because three times life sentence is what he would have deserved if he did not walk out of here and if he did not get amnesty, that would happen to him, he would be in jail.  That is why he is not honest.
	To say the least, the applicant never hesitated to lie to questions which was put to him.  Impossibilities, things which have never been heard in a criminal court, the question asked, he was asked whether he was alone or not, he said I was completely alone, he said there was no human being around when I committed these deeds.
	Anything that could die, was not there.  The only human beings there was himself and the people he then killed and then he was the only human being there.  But Chairperson, the evidence on the side of the Sunday Times reporter, he tells us and he was tested by cross-questioning, and this man says there was a lot of people, more than that. 
	Mr Menyatsoe, he makes a statement Chairperson, in Anglo-Saxon terms, affidavit, on the 26th of May and he says Chairperson, I killed the said men in full view of the members of the media, public, police officers and members of the Bophuthatswana Defence Force.