MR VISSER
Yes, you signed your affidavit, I think on the 18th of July 1996, if I remember correctly.  Let me just check.  On the 18th of July 1996.  At the time you told whoever, or you were prepared to tell whoever that you participated in the severe torturing of Mr Kondile, we know that.  My question to you is, seeing that you didn't apply for amnesty or did you?  Did you apply for amnesty in regard to this severe assault on Mr Kondile?