MR MATELA
What I know is that at that time there were rumours that Russians and White people would be coming to attack the township and the IFP.  This was said by Mr Manong and we also explained this in the meeting and everybody in the meeting, the comrades that were present, were airing their views on this matter and the matter of the PAC members that were killed by the Russians was also raised, and therefore it was said that we must try and defend ourselves.  What he said I think it's a lie.