MR WILLS
Mr Chairman, just to set the record straight, I want to refer Mr Visser to paragraph 18 of Mr Botha's initial affidavit where he says one of the factors concerning the options relating to Mr Shabalala was the fact that he gives no co-operation.  It's listed as the first factor.  It's on page 18 of the first application to amnesty of the bundle.  Now, did...(intervention)