MR RILEY
That is correct.  I would agree with the Honourable Chairperson on that point.
	Was there a further aspect?  Can I proceed?  Thank you.
	So Mr Chairperson, Committee, it is submitted that at all material times when the applicant went out on this mission as he put it, a mission to kill police on the 19th of January 1991, there is no doubt that he believed that he was acting with a political objective.  That was his objective.  He believed and the evidence is so and he was indeed a member of a Self-Defence Unit and Umkhonto weSizwe and he believed he was obliged to go out and in fact perform missions like this particular one, for example ambush the police, which was his intention on that particular night.  
	There is no evidence whatsoever that the applicant had acted for personal gain.  There's no evidence that he received any monetary reward or any other reward as a result of the incident that had occurred.  In fact the only reward, it is submitted, that the applicant acted for, was a political reward.  That was his belief.  The fact of the matter is that the applicant's evidence is quite clear.  What cannot be thought away is the fact that he went out there, there was obviously a lot of tension that existed at the time, there was a lot of nervousness that existed at the time, there was waiting under the trees for the kill as it were, there was a lot of anticipation, a motor vehicle pulls up, he hears at practically the last moment that the motor vehicle is there.   He is, from his version, blinded by the lights of the motor vehicle, he turns around and in fact fires shots at the motor vehicle in these circumstances.  At the time when he fires the shots, he believes that he is in fact firing at the police and when acting as he does, his version of the events is that he wants to make sure that whoever is in the motor vehicle, won't have the opportunity of pursuing them wherever they were going to go to.