MR MALAN
Mr Chairperson, I just learnt today that one of the senior officers is apparently available here.  I haven't had the chance to have a consultation with him, but my intention was to at some stage lead the second witness and as a third witness to testify on behalf of both of them as a mere background.  I think it will be in the interests of all parties concerned to have an independent person that was there chief at some stage.