CHAIRPERSON
At that aspect you know, it's a very - sorry to chip in here.  You could see that it made some of us a bit uncomfortable and it cropped in one or two matters not referred to by Mr Arendse.  I said in the applications of Botha and Steyn I think - Marais, Botha Marais and Steyn, which I think we heard evidence here in this hall.
	That was the case in which Both and Steyn, they went around that evening and they said that they were looking for a group of at least 10 people, black people to kill and they said they were specifically looking for black people, to kill at least 10 of them because they said there had been - earlier that day there had been an attack of white people by a group PAC people according to them, and they said they are going to attack in revenge.  
	They said the policy of their organisation was that for every white, one white person killed, 10 people must be killed and they then went out to go and - because one white person had been killed.  That evening they went out to go and kill at least 10 black people and they actually went about looking for a group of - specifically 10 black people to kill.  
	And then they saw a kombi, they let it go for some reason and then they spotted a bus, a Putco bus and they were also armed with machine guns and two of them, it was two of them who opened fire on the bus because they wanted to kill black people.  And the two of them got amnesty, that notwithstanding and because on the basis that they were acting according to orders.  They were carrying out the orders that they must go around, get 10 black people and kill them.