MR MALAN
Sorry, may I again interrupt you there, I have a major difficulty with that argument.  The argument that you're putting before us and the evidence is that the killing was never planned, it only eventuated when things went wrong.  Now that is not a political motive, that's part of police duties then, to act in a certain way.  How do you bring political motive, because it's not, the political in terms of 22B is not in the broad political conflict, especially when it concerns a functionary of the State, it must be under an order or a direct order.  You rely on an implied order, which I think the Amnesty Committee has taken as a line, but the implied order does not relate to duties, it relates to criminal activities, outside of the scope of duty.  Sorry, Mr Madasa, that's perhaps again the argument that I asked you earlier to think through, put it in clear terms before us, because I remain with a difficulty with that at the moment.