MR KRUGER
Yes.  Just to explain very briefly as an explosives expert it is policy that 
usually only one person goes forward to the scene where there could possibly be explosives 
or where explosives had to be disposed of.
	I stood close to Mr Swarts and I helped him.   For instance as he took explosives out 
of the bus, he passed it onto me and I then just took it further away and guarded it, so that 
nobody could get close to it.