CHAIRPERSON
I'm coming to that.  Now to what extend people have not told the truth in the criminal case one never knows.  It is obvious that they did not tell the truth in order to get acquittals, but when they come to this forum, into this hearing, they take advantage of an opportunity that has been provided.
	I know not all the people support this system, I'm aware of that but the fact of the matter is that it is here and it is available to people to come to this hearing and make application for amnesty.  They are supposed to tell the truth.  Even then one cannot guarantee that the whole truth will come out, hopefully it will.
	Each of the applicants here have conceded, some in my view unnecessarily, that they were guilty of murder and suchlike crimes.  I don't know, I can understand your questions but to compare what was said in the criminal trial to what was said here is likely to give one doubts, as you can understand.
	I don't know if it would not be more suitable to want to find out the political reasons, the political motives why people were killed as opposed to what happened at the scene of the incident because we are going to go around arguing with each other about the factors and the facts as it happened then and in my view it doesn't get us very far.
	Perhaps one should question whether there was really a political motive or not to justify that killing.  I'm not saying that killing in any way can be justified but the law has taken cognisance of that possibility.  I can understand also that you are angry, you've lost a son.  I think there are many people in this country who suffered the same heartache.  
	Having said that, I don't know if anyone of us are able to answer these questions for you.  It is good to have got it off your chest, to have got it out of your system to have asked the question.  One can only hope that it will help to sooth the pain that you obviously are experiencing.  
	That is about all that I can say about the issue and to repeat that I don't know whether anyone of us is able to answer those questions.  Mr JJ Mabena you've heard this morning, his matter has been postponed to another hearing.  Perhaps I can ask the evidence leader to note your name and address so that you are informed when Mr JJ Mabena is going to testify on this issue.  I hope that will help, that you will be informed of that opportunity to go and find out and perhaps even get him to answer such questions that you have.