CHAIRPERSON
Thank you very much, yes.  I just want to say again thank you on behalf of our Commission for your willingness to come.  I have been saying and other people I am sure make the same kind of remarks that we do have an extraordinary group of people in our country.  You testify to a change that happened in you with regard to your perceptions about the liberation movement and the struggle and you say it is in part because you have come to learn of the atrocities that were committed.
 Now the Commission is in fact being charged with telling this story, not so that we should be masochists who enjoy pain, our pain, the pain of others, that we should in fact then, as the Act says, transcend, rise above the conflicts of the past and ultimately if we are going to have the change then it is clear that forgiveness, reconciliation, are quite central to that process.  And justice is an element of it as well.  But forgiveness 
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ultimately is to say you give people the chance to change.  You open a door for someone to move from a dark past to a new and enlightened present and future.  We hope that people like yourselves and the many who will be telling their stories, not always in public hearings such as this one, will help to contribute and we are glad that we can now begin to own the police and the defence force, and be able to say these are now ours, as you begin to change and are rehabilitated.  We pray that that process will be accelerated and that we, all of us, because all of us need to change, all of us are wounded people, all of us are traumatised people, all of us are people who need to forgive and who also need to be forgiven.   And for all of us then to move together into what is a wonderful prospect that God places before us, and look at the wonderful contribution that all of these wonderful people can make to this new South Africa.
 Thank you very much.