MR RICHARD
Listening to the applicant's evidence and also in preparation, my question was, on that level of participation, was he in the first instance correctly convicted?  We don't have a transcript of the evidence, so I can't take that point further, but let's assume that the trial court's evidence did correctly convict him.  It's difficult to see how, but if it is correct, that by the facts that we have before us today, there was a sufficient association and his ...(intervention)