MR NDIMA
Yes, then we were given Barns and then after we had put under the rule of Barns, then Mndayi turned around and said he doesn't want to take this Coloured man, he called him a Coloured and he wants to talk to this Centre in Mowbray with White people in the office there.
 Each time I came back from work, I find houses being demolished and then I would ask him why are they demolishing houses in my absence, why don't you go to this White person so that when there is something behind owing in connection with that, he must tell you so that you can tell me so that in the evening we can call all the people who are in arrears in their rent to find out what their problems were,,so that we could help them with their rent.
 So that their houses should not be demolished, but Mndayi said no, he wouldn't talk to a Coloured person.  So Barns when someone was in arrears, Barns would demolish the shack, he said yes, yes, he did and the Mndayi said he wanted to talk with the White people.
 So he went to Mowbray and when he got there, (indistinct) phoned to this White person.  When he was about to demolish some shacks and he was instructed and they said that the foreman is here.
 The foreman is here and the "ou man" is here now he says you are going to demolish number so and so, number so and so, so we want to request you not to go ahead before you do that, you must meet the old man and this man said no, you are not responsible for demolishing these houses, I am staying with the old man here and you live at Mowbray.
 That old man should come to me when I am about to demolish some houses.   At that time there were some houses of one person who was allocated some site at a place called KTC, this person - his or her houses were not being demolished because they would go to these White man and say please don't demolish.