MR BERGER
625, I should say the first house where people were attacked, but the house before that was damaged but nobody was injured and it's the second house from the church and the church is at the corner of Bapedi as it kinks into Umsimvuvu and as I've told you, Mr Philip Umsevi was attacked by attacked by a person with a knobkierrie.  His son, Jabulani, was stabbed as he was trying to escape through the back window of the house.  His wife, Violet, was killed, she was shot and the bullet that hit her left a big hole, probably one from an AK47.  His son, Michael, seventeen years of age was also shot, lying next to his mother.  Mr Philip Msevi has a brother, Themba Msevi.  Mr Themba Msevi's daughter, Ronica, was living in that house with her uncle and cousin.  She was fifteen years old.  She was stabbed in the chest with an assegai which went right through her back.  Philip Msevi's son, Sibusiso, was nine years old.  He was stabbed by a spear in the chest and he died later in hospital and the two twins that you were talking about, Mr Mthembu, were in that house, not in the first house.  They were in that house where all those people were killed except they're not twins, a little boy and a little girl who could be mistaken for twins and you didn't put them under any bed, they hid under the bed and if you want, Mr Mthembu, I have got photographs here from the criminal trial.  For the record, it's from Volume 34 of the appeal record, page 3918 and 3919, 3920, 3921 which shows the people who were killed - a young boy lying in his underpants in bed, a woman lying on the kitchen floor, another deceased lying in bed and I'm putting it to you, Mr Mthembu, that you were involved in this incident and you have attempted to sanitise your involvement by saying that no one was killed in that house and only one person was stabbed, one person was hit on the head whilst running away.  Do you wish to comment?