JOHANNES JACOBUS VIKTOR
You know in giving evidence one should really check on what words were used, but Mr Chairperson I don't want to get into any arguments, you are the Commission here, but funny enough the questioner didn't ask me for how long I was at Vlakplaas.  She asked me for how long I was in Soweto, but I founded Vlakplaas at the end of '79, and I left Vlakplaas at the end of '80 and I never went back there again.