MR AVENANT
At this meeting at Mesikaba - I want to refer to the expression "to take out", in Annexure A, of which you are not the author.  I notice that if you look at Exhibits A and B, A was the statement of van Rooyen.  Namba Sebe - to link up with a question from the Panel, Namba Sebe had to be removed from the scene.  So that was actually to secure him against the Ciskei, or as against the Ciskei?