FERDINAND BARNARD
George is the smuggler who provided me with the information.  Then the same smuggler provided me with information concerning a house in Alexander Road, Hatfield, Harare.  It was similar information, it was an MK infiltration house, where they were armed.  I entered this information on the system in the same way.
	They again handed over a few thousand rand that I should give to him.  They came back to me and said that the information was confirmed.  I cannot today really recall independently if I saw that something appeared in the media, or if they told me that they acted on it.  They were very satisfied.  I received a bonus after the second time.  I think they gave me about R3,000 after I provided them the second time with some information.
	I had another source that I newly recruited.  It was also an international mandrax smuggler, who worked in the African area.  He spoke about the Grassroots Bookshop in Harare as being an address that was visited by Stanley Madizela, who at that stage was the Head of the ANC in Zimbabwe, that he would there meet and have co-ordinating meetings at the Bookshop.  Above the Bookshop, there was a flat or room and that they would meet there and have these co-ordinating meetings and that he was accompanied by three or four MK members at a time.
	Once again, I cannot today recall if they acted on that, but somebody told me, I cannot independently confirm this, but if they acted or not, but once again, they were very satisfied with the information.  They checked it out and it was verified, and at a certain stage, later, he told me that they acted on this premises and that Madizela was not there.  I could not confirm that, I did not read it in the media.  I do not know if they acted or not.