MR VISSER
Yes, okay, and you are engaging in argument instead of answering the question.  You see, Mr Motsamai, I am telling you now that you are not telling the truth, because you have attempted to suggest some reason why Mr Ngo would have known it was not the house of Max Makhubalo, but that of City Mzuzwana which, I suggest to you, is false, because he said, explicitly, you told him so here at this hall this year and that is how he knew that he was wrong with his application.