MR HUGO
You know, I want to put it to you in this way.  I am involved with the first applicant's hearing or case for about three years, and I am still uncertain about this stage during which the decision was made that illegal ways and means should be used or methods should be used to combat the enemy.
	When, for the first time in your career, did you receive the instruction to act in this way and by this way I mean unconventional and unlawful manner?