MR DERBY-LEWIS
Mr Chairman, he called among a multitude of his people.  He did not phone me up and say, listen, I am going to make this speech.  He did not phone, he did not advise Dr Hartzenberg as one of the leaders or Dr Treurnicht as one of the leaders that he was a man of peace.  I want, Mr Chairman, I am quite sure that senior members of the CP will confirm that at no time did Mr Hani ever bring his intentions, excuse me, his intentions to the attention of the Conservative Party or the right.  So, how would we know about that, Mr Chairman, unless we watched the TV programmes, which I have already said, I have not watched.