MR VISSER
Yes.  I'm just arguing the point as to why they would have told you that.  It's because the limpet mine and Ninela were given to them in a package.  Again that, for example, Mr Chairman, just to show how cautious one has to be, supports the evidence of Mr Taylor in that regard, where he says he told them to go and kill him and blow him up.  That's why he gave them the limpet mine.  So, Mr Chairman, with great respect, it is true that there must be a measure of reconstruction, people are giving evidence about what happened a long time ago, but unless you can find that what they are telling you is blatantly false, Mr Chairman, with respect, the test must be that before you can hold it against them of not having made full disclosure and to come to the equation of falsity is non disclosure, it must be falsity in that sense, the sense of deliberately coming to you in order to mislead you and that Chairman, with great respect, we say that these applicants certainly did not do.  They manifested themselves as witnesses who attempted to tell you all they knew, albeit on a question of reconstruction and recollection, Mr Chairman.
	Mr Chairman, I believe that I might have ended, or come to the end of my submissions, I have not looked at my notes.