MR WILLS
I just want to dwell on that for a very short while longer.  It seems to me from the evidence of both Mr Botha and Mr Steyn, that there was an active decision taken to conceal, it wasn't just a case of hiding the information, there was an active decision to conceal your activities in relation to the arrests of these two people from de Beer, and that is what you were told.  That is what was told to you, not, to actively not co-operate with de Beer and to actively conceal the fact that you had these two people from de Beer.  Sorry.  I'm sorry.