GEORGE DUBE
Ja, ja, ja.  We were doing hard labour that you work with a pick or a shovel from morning till sunset, or you chop wood from morning to sunset, as hot as it is in Luanda.  I think you know how it is, it's a hot climate there.  Then you don't have water to wash, though we had a pump here.  The water comes with a tank, it's for the officers for cooking and for washing.  We spend a month or two without washing.  We have to go to the river that's when we can wash properly, using our clothing, our uniform.
 So then we were being beaten almost every day working there.  We were always swollen, swollen eyes and swollen mouths and swollen buttocks.  We were being beaten with these sticks of coffee trees.  So it will just be your lucky day if you can spend the whole day without being beaten, that's your lucky day.
 So we were working very hard my friend in a way that I've seen slave films how they worked,  how they were treated, the way we were treated this was more than slavery.  So we were beaten in such a way that one day this colleague of mine whom I made (...indistinct) with this Coloured guy, there's a certain comrade called Eric, he just took a plank from somewhere, the plank had nails, rusted nails, we were chopping wood in our place, it was a pigsty before, that's where we chopped wood and pack it nicely then take it inside for cooking.  He picked up this plank and then he told him to touch his toes, as usual that you must touch your toes and then they beat your buttocks with sticks.  So he got this plank comrade Eric, he pierced this guy with that plank with nails, rusted nails.  That guy couldn't sit or sleep on his back.  He was sleeping on his side for almost two to 
JOHANNESBURG HEARING TRC/GAUTENG
18 G DUBE
three months there in that prison.