MR PRETORIUS
: However my clients will testify to the effect that they never saw, physically saw, a person with a firearm in the group point one.  Point two  - that they were shot at and all they observed was the shots being fired at them.  They fell down injured and hurt; there was a commotion of shots being fired; they cannot say in this process of this commotion who fired what shots.  So although they do not dispute the object of evidence at the same time they dispute the fact that shots were fired by anybody in the crowd initially.  In other words that there was any attack.  They cannot dispute that after the shots were fired by the guards some in their midst might have fired at the building or at the guards on the parapet but that is as far as it goes.