MR RICHARD
Now if we turn to page 180 of Exhibit C, page 4 and as indexed by someone subsequently, 180.  It's page 4 of the typed record.  There Mr Govender makes this statement
"Just one concern, Mr Chairman, my learned friend referred to a statement that he's going to hand over to the Commission.  Just to get clarity from my learned friend whether this is an amnesty application or a statement in response to the information we require in terms of our subpoena.  Perhaps he can clarify that."