MR BLACK
No, if I may finish.  I was patently aware of the fact that there was provision for a deponent and the signing etcetera, but when it wasn't done I felt that if the evidence could be confirmed under oath and we could then present it as it is.  Originally obviously it was prepared in a form to be signed.  Now, the unfortunate development which has taken place is that, as far as Mr Gushu is concerned, he felt that that was it.  But as explained to him, he said but there's another matter which he wanted to tell the TRC about of which he had applied for amnesty and he hasn't received in that respect, he was never convicted of it and he was never charged - he was charged but the charges were withdrawn, but he was never convicted for it.  So, I said well, you know, to raise it at this stage, but he said at the end of his evidence, written statement, he was going to mention is because he said he did mention it to his attorney, the first attorney, Ms Mohammed.  She has confirmed with me that that incident was in fact included on the list of the application submitted.