MR KAHANOVITZ
All right.  Now, I think we all are still trying to understand the procedures that were followed in relation to the approval of projects.  If I understand your evidence correctly, you and Mr van Zyl, differ quite considerably as to the process that was supposed to be followed in relation to obtaining approval and preparing projects.
	I just want to refer you to the stages that he refers to in his application for amnesty and just establish from you what it is that you have to say about his version.
	He says, well, it is at pages 88 and 89 of Bundle A, paragraph 28.   He is dealing here with what happened at the, what they were taught during the training project.  You will see at the beginning of paragraph 28, he divides it up in stages, he says that an aware member were to gather information in which he would mention who was the target and he would provide full information regarding the motivation.
	This was called a pre-study, do you agree with that thus far?