ANDRIES MATANZIMA NOSENGA
At the start of the TRC I think, you see I'm in Leeukop so I cannot keep track of the dates.  I think it was at the time when I submitted my application after I was arrested for the Sebokeng offences.  The people who had come forward to seek amnesty, I mean the people are involved in the Boipatong incident, there were police involved there.