MR VISSER
All right.  Spyker Mhieza is very much alive Mr Chairman and I may tell you that he hasn't applied for amnesty.
	He is not my client, but that is what I am informed.  Mr Rosslee, let's move straight on to the spot where Mr Bhila was then assassinated.
	You said in your application at page 25 in the second paragraph, that the area was recognised as an IFP stronghold, do you remember saying that?