MR NEL
Very well, Mr Mthembu, I accept that you might not have been present at these meetings.  If I may turn to the night or the morning of the 1st of September 1992 or the 2nd.  My instructions are that the police had information that there were certain weapons at the house where this incident took place, namely Number 1658.  Now this is the house that was well-known to Sergeant Botes and as I've already stated he was well-known to Mr Vincent Shandu.  Now it has been your evidence that the house on that particular day was attacked by police, am I correct?