WOUTER J BASSON
Mr Chairperson, it is possible that in our discussion with Mr Verster he may have mentioned to us to continue and that I could have then said to Van Zyl that because of the circumstances, because Mr Burger was not present, this is also possible, but the initiation did not come purely from my side.  It could be that I conveyed it as a message from Mr Verster, but once again it had to be conveyed to Burger, so that he can continue.  I cannot say that he's lying.  I do not know.