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Thank you Mr Chairman.  Mr Chairman, I wouldn't bother the Committee regarding the policies of PAC and APLA, I would just go to the ...[indistinct].
	Mr Chairman, it is not in dispute that the applicants were members of APLA and that it also transpired that at the time of the operation they were commanded by the person called Prof.  Although Mr Chairman, I must confess that we did not have evidence.  I consulted with them regarding who Prof is themselves.  Unfortunately I couldn't get from them but it was through my investigation as to who was Prof in this matter.  I must confess it was difficult because I was not going to give evidence and I wouldn't adduce from them because they didn't know his real name.  But they were messing up when it comes to that, although they heard that he is from Ngcobo in Transkei.  He was Tolbut, the real surname was Tolbut and he died in that incident.  He was from Transkei at Ngcobo.
	So if one takes into account that Tolbut, if the Committee accepts that Tolbut was all the way from Ngcobo in Transkei and was here at Free State, one would wonder if he would come all the way from Transkei just only to rob at Botshabelo.  So it is clear that is was something more than that.  He was here on a specific mission and that that specific mission was to carry the struggle forward and for their survival because of the limited funds, if I can adduce from the evidence, is that if they have to operate they must have arms.  
	It is clear even in this operation, they only had one firearm which was an AK47 and grenade and knife.  So it's clear Mr Chairman, that the actions of the applicants were indeed associated with certain political objectives and that of continuing the armed struggle on behalf of their organisation the PAC.
	Mr Chairman, also that in terms of disclosure, Mr Chairman I think it's my submission that they have met the requirements of the Act and they have told the Committee actually what did take place there.  And also in the application as to what actually took place there.
	Also if I may, the first applicant here who was the 2nd accused if I'm not mistaken, in the case, Oupa Lerato Khotle did not even in court hesitate to admit that we indeed committed the crime.  Though accused number 2 at that time wanted to take his chances that he may be acquitted.
	Mr Chairman, having said that and also taking into account that the manner in which they did the operation it is clear that they only wanted money.  They manner that they did not hurt anybody there ...[intervention]