MR PHOSA
Thank you Mr Chairman.   I want to go back to the question I asked you before the interruption - of course I understand why I was asked, the question is, is it a sudden thought of yours, a thought in your mind now, or were you always of this impression that - let's say to mention one, Mr de Klerk the President, was aware that it was necessary to eliminate people like Mr Mthimkhulu?  Were you honest about that?