FERDINAND BARNARD
This is how it was presented in the media, and what was told, but the truth is far from it.  I made the statement and what I testified in front of this Committee and also to Righ Verster, I made that statement when we were involved at the DCC.
	He originally came to me and first made certain disclosures to me concerning the Webster incident.  I actually thought he was part of the DCC as well, and at a certain stage we discussed this matter, and I told him that I killed Webster.  I did not have any reason to lie to him.  But all the other witnesses, the dope smokers, the prostitutes, Jacques Pauw and Righ Verster, they were the only ones who told the truth.  I am not talking about Lafras Luitingh, he knew right from the beginning that he was part of the planning and he did not tell the truth.
	The Attorney-General and his authority will be able to seize that person, it is a civil person.  He will first make a statement in order to ensure that he will not get bail.  "You can see there is photographs, look how he killed this person, he hit him over the head with a bat", they will create a psychosis of fear in order to oppose the bail.  Then they will tell this person, what do you know about Mr Barnard, then the witness will come forward and tell everything that he knows about this person, some will be the truth, most of it will be the truth and they will ask him "sir, didn't he tell you that he killed Dr Webster", what do you think that person will say then, especially if he was an accomplice?
	Adv Anton Ackerman's amnesty, it was a circus, the way in which he handed it out left, right and centre. If the people outside, the public knew, look at Eugene de Kock, Wouter Basson and myself, how many got a Section 204 indemnity.  In most cases, all these people were accomplices.
	The people who were not accomplices, and Mr Jacques Pauw, they were the people who indeed admitted to it.