MR VAN DER HEEVER
Mr Chair, I will be very brief.  The second problem, or my second submission I would like to make Mr Chair, it was asked to the applicant
"Why did you rob, or why did you attack the shop or cafe or restaurant in Roedtan?"
and the answer was:  
"To get petrol money"
not to achieve a political gain.  To get petrol money.  Why did they want petrol money?  To go back to Alexandra, not to go and attend the political meeting or anything like that.  They conceded under cross examination that the reason why they've robbed the Bouwer family or the restaurant and killed the two Bouwer husband and wife and wounded the young Mr Bouwer was to get petrol money, it wasn't for any political gain.  It was solely and they conceded that under cross-examination, to get petrol money.  Why did they want petrol money?  To go back to Alexandra.  Therefore Mr Chair it is my submission that from the statement and from the cross-examination, it's my submission that the applicants were busy with criminal activity and not with, as far as the Bouwer family are concerned, I'm not appearing on behalf of the Pyper family Mr Chair, was there was no political aim or political gain to be obtained by killing the Bouwer family.  The reason was to get petrol money to go back to Alexandra.  Thank you Mr Chair.