CHAIRPERSON
Yes, in fact I was going to just raise that too.  Is that entirely irrelevant in the circumstances, that he was expecting a canto vehicle, a sort of a - not a sedan vehicle, so he was on the lookout for this canto, would it be totally irrelevant that the vehicle that arrived where they were standing, clearly was not a canto vehicle.  Would that have been reason for the applicant to have at least inquired a bit further into the situation, seeing that on the appearance, on the immediate outward appearance of the vehicle, it was not the type that he was actually expecting, or are you submitting that he was still entitled reasonably to have just opened up and fired shots at the vehicle without taking any further steps?