MR CLAASEN
Maritz and Calitz and October I see them daily, Calitz he is - he is fishing now he is retired as a policeman, he has got some fishing boat, he is a fisherman, Maritz works as Mossgas as a security officer and October is still in the Law Enforcement, but I don't know which unit he is in.  This torturers are not people from outside Mossel Bay, they are Mossel Bay residents.  You see them almost every day, because they belong to that place and they were working  amongst the people and they have their homes well established here in Mossel Bay.