MR KEMP
Then I would just like to point out very briefly to you what Mr Justice Goldstone reported on the first (1st) of June 1993 in respect of these allegations, and I will be very brief, Mr Chairman.  In the first instance, I refer to paragraph 44.6 of Mr Justice Goldstone's report in which he stated the following.  He stated that
"The only evidence of SAP complicity in the criminal activities of the Black Cats was that of the three informers of the Weekly Mail."
Now, I hasten to add, Mr Mndebele, that at least one of those informers are one of the applicants in this application.  I'm not exactly sure whom yet because he testified under a pseudonym Mr A, but that will become clearer at a later stage.  Mr Justice Goldstone continued to say that:
"They contradicted themselves and each other.  They were quite unreliable.  On the other hand, evidence adduced by the SAP satisfied the committee that these allegations were devoid of substance, in particular that there was no justification for the allegation that the Black Cats received intensive backing from white police officers."
Can you comment on that?