MR VAN DER BERG
Mr Chairperson, with all respect, one would certainly have to go and look at what the definition is of a war situation because a war situation is as wide as God's mercy.
	It can be the World War II and it can also be in a room where a wife and man hit each other.  Mr Chairperson, my submission is the following, there was not truly a war situation as the applicant mentioned it and that was his own terminology that he used.  Shots were fired and it was a few moments, in other words it was an incident that happened very quickly, so it wasn't a full scale war.
	In that war situation, and that is my argument, that came to an end when that blue Mercedes Benz stopped and when the three AWB men handed over, or gave up and put their hands in the air, they are lying there, they have no weapons and this is when the war situation ended.
	How can you say it is still a war situation when they have surrendered?  It cannot continue and continue until the people are in hospital.  It must end there where the men surrender, we have now finished.
	With the background of the AWB convoy leaving Bophuthatswana, I will continue later and argue this further.  Mr Chairperson, I would also like to mention it and I think it is on paragraph 16.
	The last sentence, it was apparently the first deed that he did for the ANC and that was the question of Ms Bosman.  It was apparently the first time that he did something for the ANC, and that is when he killed these AWB men, which is ironically on a further question of Ms Bosman, if he joined the ANC later on and he said no.
	But if he was so eager and so serious about a political organisation that he is going to kill people for it, and support them in such a manner and when it ended, he did not even join the party.  That does not tally.