MR DA SILVA
Mr Chairman, there's one aspect that is important, with respect.  The figure on the container consists of six figures, he's identified two and the eye, his visibility is very, very important and his credibility is also very important because his evidence is that from he's sitting he can't see all six figures because the container is round.  I don't think he's correct, and I'll submit with respect, I'm entitled to test him in that regard.