MATHYS CORNELIUS BOTHA
Chairperson, may I possibly, I have possibly not expressed myself properly.  The first information which was received about Brian Mamela and his group was that they were responsible for the attack of Winnington Sabelo's wife and daughters. These people threw the hand-grenades there and then shot afterwards with AK47 rifles.  That was the initial information.  Further information which came to our attention was not generated by myself, but by Col van Sittert.