SATHYANDRANATH RAGUNANAN MAC MAHARAJ
Sir, they arrested Charles Ndaba fortuitously because one or two askaris either Ninela alone, or Ninela and Goodwill Sekakane, spotted him in a street, recognised him, arrested him.  They then took him to C R Swart.  Ninela's affidavit was, as an exhibit says, he was beaten up for 30 minutes in his presence, that he did begin to talk.  Charles knew two safe houses, the Knoll and the flat at Brickfield Road.  Charles led to the identification and arrest of Mbuso Shabalala.  He was arrested sometime late on Sunday.  He was also assaulted.  Both of them were kept at the same venue, beaten up in each other's presence, as far as I'm concerned, and made to talk.  In the course of someone's talking, they verified these two safe houses, they raided them, they arrested at 10 o'clock on the 12th of July, Pravien Gordhan and Anesh Shrinker at Brickfield.  They arrested Siphiwe Nyanda around noon on the 12th.  They arrested Raymond Lalla at the Knoll at 1 o'clock, they arrested Catherine Mvelase at 4.30 on the 12th at the Knoll.  They arrested Susan Shabalala, I'm not sure where at around 5 o'clock.  That is how they got to a set of documents which gave other safe houses, but they certainly did not have the safe houses in Johannesburg and they did not have all.  So Charles gave them two safe houses, not all that you are claiming and Charles was not an informant.  If he was I would have been arrested at a gathering of 30 top leaders within the country, clandestinely held at Tongaat on the 18th, 19th and 20th of May 1990 and it would have been the biggest scoop for the apartheid government, because Charles and company were in the logistics protecting that meeting.  People came from Cape Town, Johannesburg, Eastern Cape to that meeting and F W de Klerk used it as he thought a trump card to put the ANC on the defensive at the Pretoria discussion and he failed, because he identified the Joe at Tongaat as Joe Slovo when the Joe was Siphiwe Nyanda.