MR MAPOMA
Well, sir, all I can say there is that it's a natural response that if a person has been fatally wounded, that person cannot just collapse immediately, surely there must have been some moves, but I submit, sir, that there was no need, if they were shot at and one of the applicants, in fact, they say they were shot at on the head.   If a gunshot wound is on the head, that person is inevitably going to die, there is no need to go to the extent of once again doing something else to the body of that person.    It is therefore, sir, my submission that that particular act was disproportionate to the intended objective of the applicants in this case, and therefore I submit that the political motivation has not been established by the applicants.
	On the question of full disclosure, Chairperson, I just want to go to, firstly to the death of Vips Motloung.   The applicants have applied for amnesty in respect of the death of Vips Motloung, but none of them claim to have been involved in the actual killing of him.   In fact they say he was killed by Jebe and Manyala, but the very same applicants have not applied for the killing of Buthelezi-Maitse, but that person was killed by a person in their company.    It is therefore my submission that if they have applied for the killing of Vips Motloung, they must have something, they must have some information regarding his killing which they are supposed to share, which they have not done.