MR VISSER
I'm going to object to that question Mr Chairman, I first want to see whether my learned friend has a ground for asking the question.  He refers to last year - I take it June 198, June last year, when there was evidence heard in this hall about Mthimkhulu and Madaka and he is suggesting that Gerrit Erasmus's name was mentioned or that he was implicated.  We're not aware of that as we're sitting her and we'd like to see whether my learned friend is correct.
	In point of fact Mr Chairman, we pointed out to you on the record, the only instance where Gerrit Erasmus's name was mentioned that is at page 44 and page 45.  Now if that is what my learned friend refers to then I suggest he puts that to Mr Erasmus.