MR LAX
The thing that I just wanted to follow up was, I didn't hear you clearly and I didn't hear the translation that clearly, I just want to clarify, you said that Verster spoke to the Chairman and then you said that he suggested that the place be blown up with a limpet mine.  I wasn't clear in my own mind whether you were referring to the Chairman who suggested that, or whether it was Verster's suggestion?