MR MADASA
Mr Chair, let me put it this way, I submit that what is important here is to look at the thinking of the SDU at the time, the perceptions, we should be guided by what they thought at the time was the situation.   Oscar Motlokwa has testified that when he saw Vips and Tusanang running away from Blanko's place, he was then sure that the Youth League was attacking them, and this is the word that was spread amongst the SDU members.   Now whether that was in fact the case, I submit is not that much to coming to to the conclusion that their acts were justifiable, because this is what they perceived to be happening at the time.   Subjectively the applicants thought that they were under attack, and they saw senior members of the Youth League at Blanko's place, and indeed Blanko was killed in that manner and to them, that they thought that they were under attack, and they responded to that.   So I'm saying it is their perception that that is important at the time, taking into account the whole situation prevailing in Katlehong and the structures themselves, the informal nature of the structures, I submit the community shouldn't be that pedantic or legalistic when viewing this question.   These were lay people, unsophisticated, thinking that they were carrying the mandate to defend the community, and they apprehended people they thought were enemies of the community, thinking like that because of the conduct of these individuals.   That is how I would submit, Mr Chair, on that aspect.