W RIAAN BELLINGAN
Yes, that stage Vlakplaas was a very, very sensitive operation.  We used the word "The Farm" and we did not actually mention the name Vlakplaas.  I was involved right from the establishment in 1981 and it was a very, very sensitive operation which was operated by means of secret funds.  So, we actually just referred to "Die Plaas" or "The Farm" and not Vlakplaas, but I am sure many of these policemen knew that it was the farm outside Pretoria called Vlakplaas.