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That is correct, that is why I am saying it was very well planned attempt, a pre-prepared attempt to do these things.  That is why I am saying we had to go and get the explosives.  Somebody told us to go and get the explosives in Welkom.  The pipe bombs had to go and get loaded after loads of them were made in Klerksdorp, so it was fine planning, it wasn't a question of like okay let's go and make pipe bombs, let's make things. The bombs were already there, that was the reason and that is why they got us together to go and do all the dirty work.