MR NORTJE
That is correct, I don't recall in which town it was, but he only arrived at eleven o'clock that evening, and he was not alone, his driver was with him, this coloured person, Boetie Davis I think his name was, and they said that we should drive behind them.  About 20 kilometres outside the town, we encountered a group of vehicles there, bakkies with black men, we stopped there.  Initially we remained in the vehicle, or we climbed out but the vehicle was - it was loaded over.