CHAIRPERSON
But wouldn't you argue against ...(indistinct) and say he's probably enjoyed to torturing people, particularly women.  And that the fact that he didn't kill them there and there does not again detract from the fact that he ultimately carried and executed the order that had been given.  He was a particularly terrible SDU member who did not mind to walk distances with one of the women who was bleeding from either the neck or the chin, from the evidence of Ms Mokoena she had been shot in the neck.  From the evidence led at the trial, she had been shot in the chin, but the fact of the matter is that did not disturb Mr Radebe, simply because that was his make up.  He wanted to have them tortured first and ultimately carry out the order to kill them.