ADV PRIOR
Well, Mr Chairman, that is the position.  Then obviously, as Evidence Leader one is then restricted to what the applicant has said.  He's already told the Panel that the evidence in these 15 volumes, at it relates to him, is unreliable, we can't really on it.  So basically we have what he says before us.  There's no way of testing the veracity of that.  And I submit we are permitted to look wider than the statement he makes here.