MS THABETHE
Not with me Madam Chair, but I can get that information because Mr Mkhize is present today, if the Committee can allow me quickly to get that information.  Thank you Madam Chair.  My instructions from Mr Mkhize is that he was a leader as from 1990 whilst the applicant was still residing at Mboyi.
	Mr Zulu, Mr Mkhize has actually indicated that he was a leader of the IFP at Mboyi from 1990 and you were still residing there during 1990, so do you still maintain that he was not a leader of the IFP?