MR VISSER
Thank you Mr Chairman.  You see let's just talk about a question of civilians.  You stated in paragraph 85, which I just referred you to of Exhibit A, that the ANC has never been callous in the struggle.  You remember that?  And you also stated that the injury and killing of civilians in the Church Street bomb was a matter which you foresaw, in fact you knew it was going to happen, but you discounted in view of the political objective which you sought to attain.  You will have to answer because the recording doesn't record a nod of the head.