PIETER JOHANN VERSTER
It was within a covert administrative system on the one side.  There was a financial file where it was not as blatantly explained, where the file would have a name and only the specific persons involved with it put it in writing and on the other side, the operational plan was placed in writing so the two were kept apart.  It did happen, as I said previously, where there were instances where actions had taken place quicker and then it was possibly a telephonic discussion between myself and the Chairperson, or I met with him quickly and he said:  "Continue, you may authorise it" and on that bases I then signed it myself, but that was the exception to the rule.  As a rule it had to be signed by the Chairperson himself.  Under oath on a previous occasion I have said that there were two things that were never delegated to us.  The one was the authorisation for an operation and the other was finances because this comes from the formal State structures.