MR WILLS
I think that your arrest and the circumstances surrounding your arrest have been covered by Mr Luthuli and I don't think that it's important at this stage to get into that.  There's just one area which we need to cover.  You were arrested on the 18th of August 1993 and you were detained in the Empangeni police cells.  It was Sydney Croucamp from the South African Police who had arrested you.  Is that correct?