MR WILLS
Can you not even recall how many people approached the car?  You see, I mean, you were here with me in the hearing we did on the Shabalala's and there was evidence exactly how that arrest took place.  One person, I think it was Botha, put the gun in the stomach of the person and other people did other things.  That's the sort
of thing that I'm trying to establish here.  Can't you remember anything about the actual arrest apart from your own involvement?