MR KHANOVITZ
Mr Chairperson, might I say the following, all three of those statements are sworn statements.  Mr van Zyl, as he has said has had an opportunity to look at those statements on many occasions.  One would have thought that if there were falsehoods or inaccuracies in those statements, Mr Martini when he was leading his client in chief would have drawn the Commission's attention to those falsehoods or inaccuracies, explained the circumstances under which that had come about and then one could have proceeded on that basis.  I'm keen to avoid the kind of situation that arose with Joe Verster's testimony where as soon as you refer the witness to a paragraph there's going to be some counsel at the Pretoria bar put those words into my mouth and so on and so forth.  The witness is in a position to read the statements, say in advance whether there's anything in those statements which is untrue or he can stand by his statements.  I cannot cross-examine him on the basis that every time I point a statement that he previously made and then it transpires that what's therein contained is untrue then we hear a reason for the first time as to why that inaccuracy has come to the fore.