MR JANSEN
Now, I think it's matter of record that as far as your application is concerned and as far as your Vlakplaas applications are concerned, there's one incident in January 1981:  the Pillay case, there's one incident which you allege is round about the 4th of August: The Union Kombi and another one, 3 September which is the burning of certain vehicles in the Eastern Cape, the so-called Hippie vehicles and the rest are after 11 September, is that correct?