MS THABETHA
I don't think it is quite correct what Adv Madasa is saying about the reason for concluding that two matters will be dealt with today.  I am saying this because on the 9th of April we wrote a letter to Adv Madasa asking him, I don't know if I can read the letter, asking him to outline clearly the application he will be dealing with today and outline clearly the names and addresses of the victims as part of full disclosure and I specifically made it clear that we await his response because we will need to inform the implicated persons in time, that was the 9th of April.  So we could have had enough time to notify the victims, but because there was a discussion between Adv Mpshe and Mr De Ru, apparently Mr De Ru, I don't know if I am correct, he will correct me, said he would like these two matters to be finalised with because he in prison because of them and then the other matters can be heard later on because he is still, you know, he is still being charged of them, he is not in prison because of them.  So I think the reason that Adv Madasa is giving, is not quite correct.