WOUTER J BASSON
Yes, Chairperson, it doesn't mean that I had to consult directly with the Chairperson, I did not telephone him directly, that was not my function, but I should think that its function was to determine or to remind Mr Verster that he would have to arrange for a meeting tomorrow, for example.  It could also be that I had to activate Mr Burger to attend the meeting as well.  But I never had any direct liaison with Gen Webb.