ADV DE JAGER
Mr du Plessis, the learned member ...[inaudible] Judge Ngoepe, Mr Loots wasn't implicated in any offence as far as the going to Bloemfontein is concerned, he conveyed the message: "Go to Bloemfontein".  There's no suggestion ever made that he - that Mr Loots knew that he was going to Bloemfontein to commit a murder or do something illegal at all but if you carry on maybe you'll be - you'll succeed in proving that, I don't know.