MR WAGNER
Mr Chairman if the Committee has a problem I will proceed with other questions, but I merely repeated the questions because there was no clear answer forthcoming.  Mr Shoke can I refer you to a document, I think Mr Chairman it is the submission of August 1996 by the ANC, I don't know whether you have it there?  May I refer you to page 86 of the document with the heading "Umkhonto weSizwe Military Code", at the top.  Do you have it there?  Now before I ask you the specific questions, this part of the document deals, amongst others, with the word people.  Now I'm not sure what is meant by the word people in this part of the submission.  Can you perhaps just help me and maybe the Committee where you say the people's army, people's war, word like, phrases like that.  What is meant by the word people?