DR BORAINE
[indistinct] - I call the next witnesses - Ms Grace Kgatiwane and Mr Tommy Kgatiwane - if you will please come forward.
 Ms Kgatiwane can you hear me all right on the ear phones - okay - Mr Tommy Kgatiwane can you hear all right.  Now I am not sure who would like to start.  But seeing that both of you are going to give  evidence, perhaps you would be kind enough both of you to stand - wait a minute let's just make sure we got the ear phones properly for Ms Kgatiwane  end of Tape 3, side A ...
 They want to give evidence in Afrikaans - fine - okay.