CHAIRPERSON
General, you said that you started working on Strelitzia some time before and Strelitzia was your own initiative and you worked on it, and then you ultimately submitted it for consideration and approval and that was refused.
	Thereafter, you get if I may call it, added pressure, coming from the then State President to say look, these areas must be stabilised by the end of December.  You then come up with Plan Katzen, which has a thread running between it and Strelitzia, although there is differences, there are similarities.
	Correct me if I am wrong, but I get the feeling that that Plan Katzen was drawn up as a reaction to a situation that you had been placed in, in other words come up with a plan to stabilise this area or normalise it, so you just improve on or amend slightly Strelitzia and resubmit it.  Did you in your heart of hearts believe that Plan Katzen was a Plan that could succeed, if not within that 18 months in which you were given to normalise the area and I think you had mentioned that you thought it was optimistic, do you think it could have succeeded at all?