ADV JANSEN
As it pleases you Mr Chairperson, my surname is Jansen and I appear on behalf of applicant Ras.  Mr Van Rensburg, Mr Ras says in his statement that on the morning, the morning that he went to Port Elizabeth, he was in your office with Mr De Kock, where this operation was briefly discussed.  That seems to be different in your application.  Can you comment on that at all?