FERDINAND BARNARD
I might just mention, perhaps I should have mentioned this with the McQuillan project, at a certain stage McQuillan came to give me a certain document.  This document was about Mr Ronnie Kasrils and one Eleanor.   I don't know whether that was his wife, but the name was Eleanor.
	There was an address in Golders Green in London and among others, it was stipulated that a hit could be carried out at any time.  That was stipulated on the document.  Surveillance had been conducted on the house and a hit could be carried out at any time.
	The same document contained detailed information regarding Messrs Aziz and Essop Pahad and their movements, their residences, their residential addresses, the places that they visited in London.  I sent this information into the system.  Later it was said that they were very impressed with the information, but that no action could be taken in London specifically at that point, because Mrs Margaret Thatcher was the only Western or European political leader who was still favourably inclined towards the South African government, to a certain extent and that no such action could be carried out in London specifically.