MR MTHEMBU
Can I, sorry, Mr Chairperson.  Can I take you to the incident where the lady teachers were stopped, and I am referring you to page no 13 of the second bundle, and I just want to get a clear picture as to how they were stopped.  Because according to Mrs Booysens you people pointed firearms at them, but according to the affidavit of Mosesiwe Dlepu, I will read it ...(inaudible)
"when we're talking about that vehicle, there appeared four men hiking to our vehicle and they were hiking, coming towards our vehicle.  Mrs Booysen stopped the vehicle since the said men, they were blocking the road"
Where you all in the middle of the road, all four of you?