CHAIRPERSON
Thank you Mr Mapoma.  Mr, other, Mapoma.
CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR Z. MAPOMA: Thank you Chairperson.  Mr Moringer, in your evidence you have told the Committee that the initial objective was to have Mr Mbotoli killed and you suggested that instead of him being assassinated, he be abducted to Transkei.  Where did it originally come from, this idea to kill him?