MS MABOZO
The - this person shouted, he said Luthli, Luthli come out.  Luthli got out of the house, his hands were up.  And the door was open and they started shooting and his hands were still held up.  And he fell on his knees and they got into the house and they closed the door.  And then they started shooting - I don't know how many times did they shoot at him.