JUDGE MILLER
But I mean we know that that happens with every MP, you can get an MP who is an MP and has no interest in serving the people, he's only doing it because he's getting a salary and he likes the status.  You get other MPs who find the question of the salary and status irrelevant and they want to do it to serve the people.  So I think if you can just make it more clear to Mr Ntisane what you're trying to get at, because obviously everybody who does a job, any job - I'm doing a job, we're all doing a job here and we're doing it for the interests of the process, but it's obviously in a certain respect, we're doing it in our interest because it's our job.  If we didn't do it we wouldn't eat at night or have a roof over our head.