MR RAMALIGELA
With regard to this case I think I did explain to the committee that it is true that I tortured people, I assaulted them, I kicked them.  I did everything that I mentioned on these people.  That I am also able to realise I was really torturing people, so much that I am not saying that any person who may come and say contrary to I am saying, however what I have explained is that the people that I work with directly were...
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