MR RAUTENBACH
Mr Chairman, I'm sorry to interrupt, but when the re-examination started that was one of my concerns, we've just had an example of that.  There's now - we have the witness analysing the report by Mr Kjellberg and then venture an argument to you as to what it means and what it doesn't mean and this is the type of thing that I have tried to forewarn my learned friend about.  I just want to - I'm not objecting to it, I'm just saying at this stage that this is the type of thing, please guard against the witness giving argument to the Committee about what a document means and what the evidence means and what the witness means.  It's clearly the type of situation one envisages when the parties finally argue as to what was meant by certain documents.  As it pleases you, Mr Chairman.