MR MCBRIDE
Yes, we were - we didn't discuss it very much, we were quite shocked about it because it's the first time people had been badly injured.  So even though it's a strange contradiction, our intention was to kill people, military personnel, I mean Security Force personnel.  We were not - we were quite shocked about it.  It was the first time we had done it.  At that stage Col Welman had not yet died, he was still badly burnt, but he was not expected to live.  But we discussed it ja, afterwards.