SPANKIE LESOTHO
Yes, it is there.  I have a feeling that this Mopasi case came at the right time because it will be able to show that even in our group we had a splinter group.  There were those who were doing things on their own and we were involved.  I was not involved and I know of this case which you have just explained.  Unfortunately, my name just appeared wrongly.  Maybe, the speaker would come and testify about that.  He will be saying we wanted to say my brother, but he said me.  He is at liberty to explain his own version.  I do not mind if I am implicated in that incident, but I am 100% sure I was working at H & H.  I was at work.  I heard the story.  We know people who were convicted.
KRUGERSDORP HEARING TRC/GAUTENG
25 S LESOTHO
There way it is explained and the way I know, those people were perpetrators.  It happened on the night that I was at work.  When we arrived at the location in the morning we heard that it is true that a certain combi and that van were of this kind and this has happened.  I do not want to go further, I do not want ultimately what they have explained to me.  They have explained to me what has happened, but I am just trying to explain the point that my name appears there wrongly.  Maybe that person wanted to say my brother.   There were two cases where I was appeared and I was convicted in the Supreme Court.  City Press, my brother's name appeared and then on the charge sheet my name appeared.  So I have learnt that there is a confusion of saying who is Spankie and who is Toko.  Maybe that person will be surprised if he sees me because he will be able to say maybe I did not want to say this person, I wanted to say his brother.  He is at liberty to explain saying that am I Spankie or am I Toko, but I know that I am clean on that incident.