MR WILLIAMS
Thank you, Mr Chairperson.  We have considered the issue, as to whether we should call witnesses or not.  Mr Chairperson, my view is that much will depend on the evidence which emanates from Mr Hardien's testimony.  If he makes the necessary concessions, it might not be necessary to call witnesses from our side.  So it would make sense and it would also be less time consuming to have testimony first.