MR SIBEKO
Mr Chairman, I would submit that his position would still be the same.  Why, because my understanding, it's my submission Mr Chairman, my understanding of the conflict situation, my understanding of the chain of command, my understanding of the structures of the defence structures in the township.  In most cases it even happens in the formal structures of defence that when the commander issues instructions or orders, you don't really question those commands or instructions, you simply carry those commands or instructions out.  Should it happen that those instructions or commands are not proper, then the relevant superior authorities, in the formal structures of course, follow the matter up.  In this particular instance Mr Chairman, I would submit that this was not a formal structure, this was not a properly run defence structure or defence unit.  The applicant shouldn't be made to suffer because of the intentions or the aims of those whom he took as his commanders or his superiors.