MR VISSER
And by way of a service arrangement or whatever you call it, he was immediately placed with the security branch, because of the fact that he had been an informer and the intention was to use him to point people out who the security branch of the time had considered to be activists or people that they ought to be interested in.  That is background.  If you want to make any comment, you can make any comment, but the point here is that he was attested on the 11th of March 1986.
	Prior to that, you see, he could not have been formally issued with an official firearm.  Prior to that, also, it is highly unlikely, unless he, there is some sinister way of, the way he got hold of it, that he could ever have worn a uniform.  
	Incidentally, did you ever see him, if you can try to recall, before March 1986, Ngo?  Had you ever seen Ngo in an uniform, let me put it that way, or can you not remember?