MR MALAN
You saw a lot of people running in different directions, my question is did you see any of those specific members?  Those individuals that you had just ordered out of the area?  I am telling you why I am asking this, I find it very difficult to understand that these seven individuals plus two women, are being sjamboked, they are being ordered out of the area, then they leave, they ask for permission to just pick up their belongings at Amos Cele's house, which they are granted, from where they are to leave the area.  Nobody escorts them, they just leave.  At that stage, a decision is taken to fetch Dudu, people go down to Dudu's place, back up the hill, there is again a tribunal, a decision that she be lashed 200 cuts, there is a long queue, then Dudu goes back and she is ordered out of the area, then the kombi arrives.  Now really some time must have lapsed by now and you are telling me that all the people are still in Amos Cele's house?  I find it very difficult to understand, especially also because those pursued were only Dudu and Bonny, that we have direct evidence of, people involved in the pursuit.  Also in terms of the criminal trial, we have the evidence on record of Ernest that he had earlier left by bus, having been ordered out of the area.  I am asking you again, did you see Ernest running from Amos Cele's house with Dudu and Bonny?
MR R.B. CELE: Yes, I did see him.