CHAIRPERSON
Sorry Mr Hattingh, could I intervene?  Could I intervene again, Mr Hattingh, I just want to get one point clear.  Mr De Kock, you have said that many of the operations that you were involved in, orders came from higher Officers.  Was there a channel of command, did you when you were Commander of Vlakplaas, receive orders through a specific channel, through Head Officer perhaps, or would for instance the Head of the Witwatersrand division of the Security Branch give you an order without going through Head Office?