CHAIRPERSON
Laughs.  Ja, I regret perhaps, the use of that word.  I was just trying to summarize the other picture that is portrayed by the statements before us.  They portray the picture of a monster.  I'm not putting that it's, it's what is portrayed by these kinds of statements that come forth.
MR CARD?: Mr Chairman, I was one of those in 1988, who went to Lusaka.