MR WILLS
Yes, that in fact, that policy was adopted in both Hammarsdale and the Ermelo matters.  In the Hammarsdale matter in fact there were two members of one family killed in order to lure the brother back.  There was a mother and a son killed, and in the Ermelo matters it was just one incident, but the same tactic was adopted.
	But my submission on that is the specific objective, firstly, was to get the particular activist who was labelled as a troublesome person, and in all of these instances, it wasn't applicant seven's idea on his own, he was advised to do this by, in the case of the Hammarsdale matters by Mkehle and I think in the case of the Ermelo one which we'll get to it was Mwayo who instructed him accordingly.