MR MALAN
But Mr de Ru, he reports to you firstly that six policemen were killed and then later on you found out that it's not true but you do not confront him about that?  Then he also reports to you that a Corolla was stolen, thirdly that a Cressida was stolen.  He reports all these things to you in round about a time of a week, maybe less than a week, because this is already after he infiltrated the group.  Now you are saying that crimes were committed which he does not tell you about?  Which crimes are you referring to?