MUTHEIWANA GABRIEL RAMUSHWANA
Look, I think made it very clear from the beginning that what happened in my absence and my men were interrogating,  I was not part and parcel.  Except that I carry responsibility now because they were working under me.  I didn't instruct them to torture Farisani.  I didn't tell them to torture Farisani.  But the point is I went to see Farisani and then I said to him, Dean, I said this in Venda to him "Dean, I know that you never, you were not here when the police station was attacked".