MR MBANDAZAYO
Thank you Mr Chairperson.  Mr Chairperson my argument is always that on the question of proportionality, on the foot soldiers with the hindsight Mr Chairman that he was not given any specific order with regard to this incident.  Mr Chairperson because the organisation to which he belongs in a way approved what was done by the applicant and as such Mr Chairperson I'm saying that when it comes to the applicant that the proportionality on this matter should not be applied.  It can be applied on the leadership of the organisation which approved the taking of such actions by the applicant.
	Even if Mr Chairperson it can be argued that proportionality should apply in this matter, my contention is that which evidence points out that, it's not disputed that members of the organisation, though not personally to the applicant, the applicant did not suffer himself personally, members of the organisation died in the process, even both sides died in the process.