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That is correct, Chairperson, but again we find - we don't know what type of situation existed then.  As I said, the instructions I received from my witnesses was that the applicant was a type of a warlord in the area, he used force and he had people who worked for him, who worked under him and he had a gang, the gang didn't have a name, but there was a gang that existed and that these people used to put the ideologies or enforce the ideologies of the applicant and the little gang upon the rest of the people.  And it is possible that if you intimidate somebody you could have a situation like that.