MR VISSER
That is affirmative, Mr Chairman.  Plus Mr Chairman, the State witness who was a single witness as to the event at the trial before Judge Munnik, who was a person by the name of Themba Nkosi Ngquele - and that is spelt N-G-Q-U-E-L-E, Mbaqa also gave evidence and others, Mr Chairman, but the important thing is that that bundle of documents also contain certain statements which were taken from these witnesses by your specially trained statement-takers of the investigation unit. And, Mr Chairman, the point I am getting at, is simply this.  If you read those last 90 odd pages, Mr Chairman, it is quite clear that what appears from that, are material disputes arising among these witnesses, and disputes arising in the evidence of the witnesses where they contradict themselves as well.
	That being so, there are two points which we believe we should inform the Committee of.  The one is this ... (intervention).