WOUTER J BASSON
Well Chairperson, I cannot say that Mr Verster is lying if he says that he had authorisation.  It wasn't my place to be present with a presentation to the Chairperson.  If Mr Verster gave the go-ahead after he told us that he was going to consult with the Chairperson about it, then I would accept that he did indeed do so.  I have no proof today that he did so or not.  I have no physical evidence which would confirm that he did so.