HENDRIK JOHANNES PETRUS BOTHA
Chairperson, I think that Captain Duhr and Mr Bothma will themselves be able to explain or give evidence regarding what they questioned Mr Gordhan about and whether they questioned him about the mole.  I was specifically tasked to obtain that information because it was necessary.  Now their interrogation took place over a period of time and they will be able to give evidence regarding what his attitude was.  My observation was that he was non-cooperative, it was quick, I didn't have time to spend days undertaking interrogation and applying methods of coercion to him in order to obtain information.  I needed that information quickly.  The visit to Bethlehem was not directed only at him but also at Mr Lalla who possessed other information so it was dual in nature.