MANGALISEKILE BHANI
First of all, in court we wanted to be found not guilty, that's what we were trying to do.  We couldn't say, "Yes, we were members of APLA, we did that", because I could see that we were going to be found guilty, I couldn't admit to that and say that, "Yes, I did this and I'm a member of APLA", I was trying to be found not guilty.