EUGENE ALEXANDER DE KOCK
No Chairperson, this was definitely not one of those cases, and I want to give you the assurance that nothing that one is proud of, but if this was a clandestine operation, then there would have been no survivors, not at all.  I can give you that assurance.  As we had gone in Swaziland and all the other cases, Ms Patel had led evidence there too, if we had gone there, we kill everyone, you make sure that everyone is dead, this was not a clandestine operation.