CHAIRPERSON
Yes.
MR GWAMANDA
"There was Mfayela who was a member of the then kwaZulu Government, Dingele who was also an MP at the then kwaZulu Government, Sergeant Gipa Gumede, Detective Nzama, Nduduzi Gumede, Wiseman Gumede, Sabata, I knew him as Sabata, and Kekingiba, Simon Mfayela, Veva and Vuzmati.  There was also Stolz.  There would be meetings in this police station.  Some of them were Special Constables, that is reserve policemen.  The people from Ndwedwe know whom I'm referring to when I talk of Special Constables, they know how they were at the time.  Mfayela was telling them that ANC members should be killed because at that time the election was being proposed.  He was telling them that everyone should vote for the IFP and he mentioned people's names, including a taxi owner who was supposedly transporting people at Somkomo.  This person was supposed to be an ANC member and was supposed to be killed.  He would mention also people like Mahiywa.  The people at Somkomo know Mahiywa.  He had been imprisoned for ANC activities.  I did not know him.  He said that such people should be killed.  This was discussed in the meeting.  He also explained that no-one had the right to oppose what he was proposing because he wanted everyone to be under the leadership of the IFP.  There were numerous meetings held at the station ..."
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