MR KNOETZE
And insofar as that may be necessary I request that you also take that into consideration Mr Chairman.
	If I may just come back to that which is contained in section 23A-F by saying to you that in my submission all the requirements contained there have been satisfied by General van der Westhuizen but that if you should have any problem I would like to refer you to a decision in which these principles have been discussed which is RAPHOLO v THE STATE PRESIDENT AND OTHERS 1993 (1) SA 680 (T), but I submit Mr Chairman this is not a borderline case.  You need not do so.