CHAIRPERSON
Professor, this idea, I know it's an old idea, that the medical advice, if you want to call it that, of these traditional healers, may have been believed in without question in those days and on many occasions one reads the law books, reads the newspapers, it results in young children's bodies being mutilated and again I mean no disrespect to anybody, but it is frightening and I'm shocked by having to hear for the first time in my life today that basically those people who eventually died, had to be alive when such human parts were removed.  I can just imagine the pain those people must have been going through.  From your research, are the people who formed part of the society in this area moving away from those beliefs, or are those beliefs still crystallised here?