MR PAPIER
Yes.
MR BOOI
When we turned left this particular van left the other cars which were proceeding on the same way and continued to follow us.  I instructed the driver again that: "Can you please decrease your speed, 50, 40 a little bit."  He decreased his speed, the van continue to follow us.  His lights were on and then we turned right again on the next street.  When we turned right again, the van put on its bright lights and we could see that there were a group of people who were still sitting in a shebeen partying, some cars outside and all those things.  We passed.  Immediately when we passed that house, the van which was following us switched off all its lights and it was not light and then it reached us.  It was very close behind us.
		We started to panic.  We started to discuss amongst ourselves that these people are up on something.  Immediately our briefings came to mind, that we have been briefed that there are the askaris, are actually travelling around with police vans and all those things and they are clad in police uniforms.  So I started to order the group to be comrade-readiness, everybody to have his weapon next to him and then immediately we turned right, back to the street where we came from, that is Ems Drive.  While we were proceeding to Ems Drive the speed was decreasing from the van behind us.  Then we turned left into Ems Drive again.  Unfortunately where we turned left, opposite us there's a school with big trees.  On the other side there are no houses, there is a dark spot and immediately the van overtook us and before it overtook us actually, the passenger on the left-hand side showed with his torch that we must get off the road.  We have done so immediately and I ordered the comrade who was driving the car, comrade Wiseman to stop the car and everybody to sit inside the car until we can see what is going to happen.  
		The van arrived, they slightly crossed our car's front, giving us space not to run away, all those things and then I immediately opened my window.  When the first policeman jumped out, he was carrying a pistol.  I would say it's a policeman because he was wearing a camouflage uniform.  He carried a pistol in his right hand.  The second one from the driver's seat who jumped out, was carrying a sub-machine gun which appeared to me at that stage as an Uzzi because I - when I saw the sub-machine gun and the policemen were pointing the firearm direct to me, I decided then to take a decision to shoot.  I shot at him first because I know if I couldn't shoot first, I would be killed on the spot with the occupants.  
		I shot at him, I opened automatic fire and immediately as I ordered comrade Lincoln, who was seated next to me at the back seat of the car carrying an AK47 to cover the other side of the van, if there are any people at the back of the van, because we couldn't see the back of the van and also the driver's side.
		I ordered Mabuya at that stage to cover the front side of the van and also to observe for any reinforcement, if possibly there is because we've got into an ambush now.  So we continued firing.  After some few seconds, when we felt that we were having the situation under control, we decided that Comrade Lincoln as instructed, he's going to cover us, then we will be leaving with the car.  We left with the car from the scene immediately after this.