JOHN MNDEBELE
Yes.  He did indicate something to the effect that it was necessary that self-defence units be formed so that we should have people protecting other people.  We should not expect a person to come from outside to do the job.  The people themselves should do it and we indicated to him that we did not have arms and he said the people should arms themselves and that was up to them to decide how they wanted to arm themselves so that they can defend the community.