EUGENE DE KOCK
Yes Chairperson, it was expected of one as an Officer, not only to ask what must I do now, but to be able to take one's own initiative.  If not, you would be removed.  It would be no good just having a figure Head there.  What made it more difficult with Vlakplaas was that it was an Operational Unit and it could have happened that if it wasn't an Officer who took that decision, it could have been a Sergeant or a Warrant Officer.  The members of Vlakplaas acted individually sometimes.  You could have a Sergeant in control of 20 persons and then he would have the responsibility of taking decisions within the framework of his operational qualifications.