MS VAN DER WALT
If this applicant could place before the Honourable Committee, exactly how the command structure of the ANC functioned in order to end up with the Youth League, and where Mkhwanazi fits in as well as the other persons who gave him orders, then I would be able to agree with you, but I think that at the end of the day it could be argued that this was simply a splinter group of the ANC.  It has been argued before that these groups did their own thing.
	I think it can be strongly argued that they did certain things which were not approved by the command structure of the ANC and for which there were no orders, and this is what he cannot tell you today.