MR PHOSA
Right, now I am just raising de Kock's position to ask another aspect.  Now when de Kock came up - perhaps I should just ask a question before that.  Were you ever sorry before you were charged with the Motherwell case, were  you ever sorry about what you had done?  Did you ever feel: "I have done a terrible thing by killing the two people here, Mthimkhulu and Madaka" - before that?