NORMAN ARENDSE
I did indicate Mr Chairman.  The other aspect is this - is that we are here now, the witness is here and there's at least one good reason - one compelling reason why we should ventilate this matter fully and that is the public interest regardless of the decision that is going to be given.  Lot's has been made of this, his - Mr Sibaya's statement has been leaked to the press, it's public knowledge and I think that's a good enough reason for the matter to be ventilated properly here today.  And  we had - I'm saying this because we had the opportunity of discussing this from this side - from the bar and the side bar, to discuss this matter and we are - there's consensus amongst us here that we should proceed.