MR VISSER
Thank you ...(indistinct).  Look, the point is simply this, that Nomasonto's child must have been born around 1986 for him to be almost two years old.  1985 in fact, to be two years old in 1987 when he was brought to Mrs Mokhele, isn't that so?  She must have been pregnant in 1985, that's what I'm putting to you.