MR HATTINGH
Thank you Mr Chairman, we may be incorrectly assume that these applications would also be dealt with by you in chambers.  If any of you, or perhaps all of you are involved in it, we ask you to take into account, the argument which we presented to you in respect of the third incident, but as far as the one before you at the moment is concerned, we submit that there is no evidence of whatsoever nature to the effect that Mr De Kock acted with the objective of obtaining a financial benefit for himself when he supplied the arms in question.
	The remark made by Mr Vermeulen, Mr Chairman, he said, or Mr Snyman, I can't remember which of the two of them said it, he said it was said in a joke and it was said after the arms were supplied.  How could it possibly have been taken seriously, they were dealing with Mr Duli?  How could a person such as Mr Duli have given land away, belonging to the government?  I submit that nothing can be made of that statement and that it certainly doesn't show that they had a motive for personal gain when they became involved in these transactions.
	Mr Chairman, there is also a lot of uncertainty   on the evidence before you, you will recall that mention was made of an amount of R50 000 which was going to be paid for leasing.