CHAIRPERSON
Yes, it is certainly not startling advice, it is the usual sort of advice that a lawyer gives his client.  I would imagine and I am sure it is correct, Mr Mazaham, that the A17 referred to in page 10 here, is in fact the document which appears on 16, which is numbered A17, because that is Mr Moringer's statement which says that you were present and it says I decline to make a statement, and they say here Moringer himself chose to remain silent on the aspect, see A17, so there it is referring to that.