MR BLACK
You see, again just skimming through the  - I want to clear all that up too about taking cars - but skimming through the record, evidence Mr Sibisi - he testified to that effect.  Do you remember him saying that in court that he was approached and he said look I can't take you.  He used the word here as "kerels", I can't take you guys up to Lydenburg, the car is not working.