MR KAHANOVITZ
I want to move on to a new issue.  Mr van Zyl testified about a meeting that took place at the Rosebank Hotel where he heard you and Mr Maree discussing Lubowski.  Mr van Zyl's evidence was - and I'm not here referring to his Section 29 statement, I'm referring to his qualified evidence that he gave when I cross-examined him, Mr van Zyl said that he was curious as to why Maree was working on Lubowski, he said he asked you and you said to him "it did not matter."  If I understand his evidence it didn't matter to him, it had nothing to do with him.  Van Zyl says he then left the room.  What do you have to say about that evidence?