CARL CASTELING BOTHA
I will explain it to you in light of the tempestuous relationship that they had, and that sometimes it would happen that one would say certain things which one would want to take back later and he conveyed it to me as such and I didn't know how to approach this during my detention, should I say that Ferdi was involved or not.  Once again it had to do with my state of mind during my 29 detention and I acted in accordance with this.