CHAIRPERSON
Yes, what does seem to be a fact is that the attack upon the family of Mr Sibiya happened on the 27th of February 1990 and that this incident that we are seized with happened something like 2 years and 8 months later, on the 27th of October 1992.  Those two facts seems to be quite clear at this stage.
	So there seems to have been quite a time lapse between the attack on the family and the attack on the deceased in this matter, which I think was the point that your client tried to make about if it was a revenge he would have acted more promptly.  I mean that's what he was trying to tell us.  But in any case, I mean that seems to be clear on what is before us here.