MR HATTINGH
Mr Chairman, the reason why I don't believe him is that I have had insight into the contents of the documentation.
	You cannot make a decision I would submit with respect, that either to believe him or my disbelief of him, is valid or invalid or in place unless you look at all the documentation.  We have the benefit of the applicant's testimony, that is all we have.
	If I do not believe him, it may very well be on the basis that I will confront him and say I will call on a certain witness who is going to say this or that, and for that reason I do not believe you.  At this stage I say, I will, I want to submit to you a statement which you made at that time, have a look at the statement, let's consider the statement, but somehow Judge Van Dykhorst believed the contents of the statement or the legality or the admissibility of the statement.