W RIAAN BELLINGAN
What I meant there was that Colonel de Kock had come from South West Africa as a Commanding Officer of Koevoet, he taught us how to go about counter-terrorism units and he taught us discipline and so he was not the only person to teach us those things.  We had already learnt that before and we knew that a person in any encounter with a terrorist, it was the person who shot first who survived.  So, it had already been established by de Kock's predecessors.