FERDINAND BARNARD
Chairperson, I made a report to Calla Botha and he took it to his cell region, to Staal Burger and the others.  I never sat with them, although Calla Botha and I discussed the incident, the Webster incident because we had been involved in these things together.  I made a report to him and he went to Staal Burger, and what they discussed there is unknown to me.