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In fact my recollection, Mr Mbandazayo, is what Mr Kulman said was that they hadn't intended to take her, she wasn't part of the plan, she happened to be in the vehicle, they had hoped they would be able to let her out later or something like that but essentially the plan just went wrong.  There had been no intention at the time because they had no knowledge of her presence until they actually saw her, that she was there.  Again, the evidence was different between Mr Kulman and Mr Thutha I must say, which is part of the difficulty.