MR TIPP
Mr Chairman with respect, it is not clear from the record.  The record goes on when Mr Mangena at 3363, line approximately 16 to 17 says:  "I do not know maybe how, can I make the distinction between the two?".  That is in the context where, notwithstanding the learned judge's questions at that inquest, he has clearly said, beginning at page 3362:  "Is that correct?", he is asked "you were concerned for your own personal safety?".  The answer is yes.  "You did not fire shots because you thought that Shell House was under attack?", "I do not know, maybe can I just try to explain this thing because when the shots were fired at me because I was also, Shell House was behind me so when I was hit and died at the same time, I think maybe a certain part of the marchers would have got access into the building".  If there is anything that can be a clearer statement of the two concerns present in the witnesses mind then I fail to understand it.