ALPHEUS DUMUSANE MSIBI
With your permission, Mr Chairman, let me start off by saying - I just want to respond to that.  Piet Retief was one area that was seriously harassed in 1983.  The people who worked as councillors before were using the policy that people should pay as they earn.  That created problems so that the councillors at the time were boycotted by the residents.  Some of the councillors threatened that residents who didn't want to pay should vacate their houses.  These residents managed to get hold of a lawyer ...[intervention]