FERDINAND BARNARD
Sir, if I can place it in perspective, in the way which I recall it, I discussed the possibility of amnesty with my legal representative.  I read Slang van Zyl's statements and I was under the impression that van Zyl testified at the TRC and that he incriminated me there.  But apart from that, I applied for the Bishop Tutu case, concerning the baboon foetus, as well as Adv Dullah Omar case, because I have already been incriminated by the statement that Slang van Zyl made in 1988 or whenever.
	That is the reason why I did it, I took my chance with the rest.  I did not want to admit to anything else, I did not submit any other application for the reasons that I have just given you, for Webster and other reasons.  It was for that specific reason why I applied for those two.  It was to create a safety net if I was found guilty and Slang van Zyl testified against me, then I've got a safety net to fall back, and that would be the TRC process.
	The same thing with the Adv Omar case.  When her daughter testified, it was applicable to me.  They could not be more correct.  The only reason why I applied for amnesty was to prevent possible charges.  I admitted, that is what I did, and in my case it was definitely the correct summary I made, or assumption that I made.