FERDINAND BARNARD
I only took that decision here due to the events that took place here.  I wasn't planning on disclosing any information here, among others with our first session here I sent Joe Verster a message not to worry that I wasn't going to testify about Webster, that I wouldn't answer questions about it, that was my attitude.  And the following day he sat down next to me and said that he was very glad to hear about it but that I should "fuck up" the General.  I don't know why he wanted that because we reported to General Webb.  I think the General should be "fucked up" because he didn't give the order.  It's the case of the tail wagging the dog.