CHAIRPERSON
If think what, sorry.  I think what Mr Claassen is saying to you, is when you were giving your evidence-in-chief, you mentioned that while you were there at the shebeen people came in, they came from around and they gathered gradually, people who had heard about the incident.  They came to see what was happening, and that crowd that was in the shebeen, the less than 20 crowd, more and more people with time came.