MR VISSER
Bundle 2, page 5, Chairperson, paragraph 2.  You will see towards the end there that she pins the date on the 25th of April 1987 and she actually connects it to a very important event, the wedding apparently of her younger sister, so we can't have any argument with that, Chairperson, particularly in view of the fact that the applicants don't really recall the exact date, so for purposes of this hearing, Chairperson, we're going to accept and assume that that is the correct date, unless other evidence comes to light.