MR VISSER
I never asked him, I was aware at that stage that he would visit Mr Clive Derby-Lewis and Mrs Clive Derby-Lewis, he used to often tell me that he was preparing their VC's and he would go and eat there and they would invite him over and that's basically all I knew about their friendship.   I never asked him why was he friends with them.   Obviously at that stage Mr Clive Derby-Lewis was a member of the CP, he was one of the leaders of the CP, so I assumed, due to the structure that Mr Clark was in in the area that he operated that, and due to the background of the political events in that time, that it was important for him to be associated with Mr Clive Derby-Lewis.