PATRICK NDLUMBINI
So I was at the back with Comrade Chris and Comrade Xhoxho who passed away.  Xhoxho, he was shot dead.  So we were, it was me and him and the driver and Comrade Chris, and Comrade Chris is telling us that the people are complaining and the MKs here inside the country, but there are attacks that the people are complaining with, that at night there are attacks - he tell us about the death squad and also the detectives and the taxi wars and the gangsters and all these things.  So he explained to us that we must take initiatives because we are the soldiers, we are here, and now the people, they are looking at us and as they know that we are inside the country.
	So we was waiting for him to tell us something but so he tell us that no, you must take initiative and you must ask the civic organisation, so that they can discipline people.  So those disciplined people who can ask from civics so that we can train them, so that these people can defend the people from these attacks of which, at that time in 1991, it was happening in our townships, you see.