TESTIMONY_GIVER:
  Not at all.  It was usually done in conjunction with the relative section chief, and the press more specifically I think fell under - if you could just bear with me for a second.  Under Section D5, and at that time it was Lieutenant-Colonel J D Theron, who left the police as a brigadier, and Lieutenant J du T.  It must be something like du Toit.  They were at the police printing press, plus Sergeant - I can't remember the sergeant's name.  It will come to me just now.