PHILLIP FAIZEL MALEFANE
Firstly, we went in the morning and we saw it and saw where it parks and secondly we saw where it parks again.  On both occasions we saw the van and where it parks, that's how we reconnoitred the place as far as the van is concerned.
ADV. MOTATA: Was it before the visitation and the general enquiries from the mine workers or after you had done that?