CHAIRPERSON
Sorry Mr Wessels, inextricably linked to this whole question of full disclosure is credibility as well.  I think everybody agrees that it's a full disclosure of all relevant facts, which is frank and honest.  So one also under this heading of full disclosure, has to look at the credibility of a witness.  Now we, in our experience sitting at hearings, often hear of cases where somebody has lied in the court at his trial and given a completely different version, alibi or whatever, and he comes and applies for amnesty and then says: "Look, I lied at my trial, because I didn't want to get convicted."   Okay, that's taken into account, it's a little warning light with regard to assessing the credibility of the witness, but it doesn't exclude him from it.  But what is your submission with regard to where there's conflicting statements that have been made to the Committee?  In other words, there's something different said in the application as to what is said at the hearing.  These are both, I mean they're different, you can ...(intervention)