DR TSOTSI
Mr Elese, as I understand the evidence of the applicant, he doesn't say that your family were gangsters.  He says he was led to a house which he believed genuinely to be occupied by gangsters.  He himself has no personal knowledge of that fact that in fact, gangsters lived there.  He was led there by somebody else who was supposed to know.
	He is the one who is before this tribunal at the time.  Now, what is it going to help to call the other people to prove that your family is not a gangster?  Nobody is likely to come here and say your family is a gangster in any event.
	I think we should just concentrate on the evidence of the applicant, what he says and whether you believe him.  If you say that I believe that he must have known that they were coming to kill my people at our house, you must say so.  He has told the Committee here that he didn't know, he was led by somebody who was supposed to know.