MR BERGER
I want to read to you what Mr Themba Khosa said during your criminal trial.  And I'm reading from page 3238 of the criminal record.  He was asked
"Who did you speak with in the hostel when you came to the hostel, when you arrived at the hostel on the 19th of June?"
And his answer was:
"I spoke to two people, one of them was Mr Mthembu.  I'm not certain if the other person Mtwana was, if the other person was Mtwana ..."
And we know that is Prince Vanana Zulu.
"... but I recall that I spoke to Mr Mthembu."
And then on page 3239, second paragraph he was asked the question:
"Good.  Can you remember if Mr Mtwana was at the meeting?"
And Mr Khosa's answer was:
"Yes, he ought to have been there, yes, he must have been there.  I can't remember if all the leaders were present because my intention was not to speak to the leaders separately."
Now we know that Prince Vanana Zulu was the key leader in the hostel, is that correct?