MR GORDHAN
Chairperson, although I haven't been the latitude to explore certain areas I want to submit to the Committee that Mr Botha is not making a full disclosure particularly about the arrest and I believe that the facts around that have been concocted to suit his particular version that he wants to put to the Committee now.  I believe that Charles Ndaba did not break down completely, nor was he an agent of the security branch at that time.
	And secondly, Chairperson, by virtue of all answers that we've heard there was no political motive for the assault, that this was a personal choice made, this was part of a historical pattern and style of work and that it was a manifestation of personal vindictiveness in a previous position to violence against persons like myself.
	Thirdly, that there was no proportionality in the relationship between the information requested and the techniques of assault used in that point in time.
	I conclude by saying that this matter is inextricably linked to the matters of Mbuso Shabalala and Charles Ndaba and that when the Committee has the full facts before it and has considered them it can determine whether to grant Mr Botha his amnesty or not.  Thank you very much.
NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR GORDHAN