MR VAN RENSBURG
That is page number 88, Mr Chairman.  Paragraph three
"In the former Venda Bantu stance, the celebrations also occurred.  Unfortunately many youths didn't celebrate in an organised manner, they seized the opportunity to deal with the so-called witches.  These youths ran around the villages burning the old men and burning and also burning down their huts and houses.  What was peculiar about the whole incident was that the youths in the process of burning were singing and chanting songs and slogans of the African National Congress."
You see, my problem is if I understand your evidence to be at this stage, that it was strategy, it was planned, it was decided at some meetings that this is the way that you're going to go, is it not contradictory now to what is contained in paragraph three where the drift of the contents is that it was ...(tape ends )