MR PRETORIUS
But where the major difference came in, and that is why the effect is that there was no conversation, is that this witness testified that that conversation took place before the first shot was fired by Moolman.  Moolman was quite adamant that he only became aware of this witness after he fired his shot and when this witness grabbed the shotgun.  If put into context then the effect of that is the conversation didn't take place.