PETRUS TAPELO MOHAPI
Okay. So I will tell you Mr Chairperson is that I struggled with this woman with this gun.  At that time this woman had her finger on the trigger whilst we were struggling.  Then there was a gunshot immediately.  Whilst I was struggling with her, that's at the time when Mr Mtjikelo appeared from the garage.  It happened that he was able to take the gun from Mrs Smith.  He was able to grab the gun and then at the end of that process he gave that gun to me.
	After he has given me the gun ...(intervention)