MR KOOPEDI
That is indeed so, which also goes to the credibility of Mr Mkosana.  He has given evidence to the effect that van der Bank was airborne.  He kept using the word airborne.  In my mind he was very certain that this person was on a helicopter.  The evidence before you, which has been incorporated I believe in these proceedings, van der Bank gave evidence.  In his evidence he says he doesn't put himself in a helicopter, he puts himself at a building.  That is clear from the page 222, which Honourable Commissioners were referred to, he puts himself on a building.  At all times during, that is the time before he is asked for directions in terms of the attack and immediately thereafter he was not on any helicopter, he goes on on page 222 that at some stage the people moved away from his side, he could not see them.  I would assume that if he was on a helicopter, people would not move from his side because he was looking down on them.