MR MADASA
Mr Chair, Chris Fouche was the only link at that point between the police and the gang, and he knew what the plan was.  Now, and he was in a suitable position, if he had an ulterior motive to cause the plan to falter, because he was the man on whom the police relied, specifically on the issue of the sign, whether the people were armed, whether they were indeed, let alone they have planned a robbery, whether indeed on that day they were going to rob, and that he should leave the car alone, not with Joseph.  So I'm saying he was in a suitable position to cause it to falter, even if he had communicated to the police that indeed the robbery was planned, and this is what happened,  this plan faltered in the applicant's version, it did not go according to the plan and I'm saying it can be in fact that Chris Fouche was the cause for that.