MR MARTINI
Mr Commissioner, might I just butt in here.  I don't want to interrupt my learned colleague, but what is the relevance of all this?  Is he going to put it factually what my client is alleging, because my client's made a statement, he says "We didn't intend to kill anybody".  Is he now going to attempt to allege that my client did kill somebody with this explosion?  Otherwise, where are we going with this process?  It's taking a lot time.  I mean, the applicant applied for amnesty for bombing the building.  We've seen statements in the documents submitted by the Commission, that some party may have had injury on the head, there's no deaths.  So where is this really taking us, because we could be here many, many days with questions like this.