FERDIE HARTZENBERG
Mr Chair, that is correct, I said there is no violence in the Conservative Party, it is outside.  And that violence had increased to such an extent that in 1989 there were 1.400 political murders, in 1990 after the unbanning, there were 3.600, in 1993, there were 3.700 and that is the way things increased and it was occurring right around us.
	And I would like to state to Mr Bizos that 3.700 murders in one year is more than the number of people of South Africa who died in one single year in the Second World War - in a full scale war, not a low intensity war, but it was the equal of a full scale war.
MR BIZOS
"The violence is not in the Conservative Party"
Is that an unambiguous statement of what the Conservative Party policy is?