EUGENE ALEXANDER DE KOCK
And I want to explain.  If you will allow me an extra minute. That I had a wider understanding at that stage regarding the interception of cheques and moneys, destined for trade unions.  The economic disruption of organisations, et cetera.  Because a friend of mine in the intelligence service in Port Elizabeth, Carl Edwards, had long before this incident, now I mean about two to three or four years before this incident, had informed me how cheques were intercepted, moneys were intercepted and with the purpose of causing economic disruption of these organisations.  What he didn't mention was where the money went.