MR RICHARD
Thank you Chairperson.  Now, if I were to call Mrs Dhlomo, she would say that Sipho was treated like one of the family.  He ate there regularly, he had meals there regularly, and she would also say that while her son might not have stayed at home continuously he was in constant contact, there was no secret where he was, he was attending to his normal activities, doing the DPSC and Sosco and SRC, moving around the township, visiting people in Baragwanath Hospital, giving them money, ...(indistinct), would you say you were unaware of all that?