JOE THETHINENE JORDAN
The first one was called in.  It was the police who called him, he was wearing a uniform.  He was together with a Black man who was wearing private clothes.  They stepped in. They called the first one by his name and he answered, and they said we should follow.
 It wasn't long after we have left with him we heard a cry from the offices close to the cells that we were in.  This cry carried on for 30 to 35 minutes.  As I was worried 
EAST LONDON HEARING TRC/EASTERN CAPE
7 T JORDAN
the second one was now being called.  The second one was called, the second thing happened, I think it was Zola.  The first one I can't remember.  It was Zola Mtensilana the second one.  He took what was awaiting him as well.  After 25 minutes the screaming went off. Then the second - the screaming was so loud, but after some time it went down.