MR RUDOLPH
Your Honour, I would just like to say to you that the evening of that meeting there were many people present.  Not all those present were AWB's and if there were some there who came there with knopkierries or as night guards that was them.  What happened there was that we lived in times of turmoil, worse than today and people had to travel long distance with weapons.  If you left your weapons at home and it got stolen, you had problems, if you left it in your car and it was stolen, you had problems, and there was a question as to whether people would be allowed to bring along their weapons.  Mr Terre'blanche insisted then that if weapons were being brought there, they should be licensed weapons because we accepted that the police would have blockades along the road.  That was the reason for the presence of the weapons there.
	I would like to say to you, however, even if you were to count all those weapons and put them together that appears in the court case as well and you were to look at the evidence of General Malan and then later at the summary of the magistrate, you would see that there was an arsenal brought by the police to Ventersdorp.  And if a brief were to be given that weapons were to be brought along and it is understood from that that people had prepared themselves to use those, I would like to say to you that the evening at Ventersdorp the leader of the AWB, chief leader, because there were more leaders, but the chief leader of the AWB actually man alone went out to the streets when shots rang out and he said: "for heavens' sake do not shoot".  For any reasonable person who could deduce from that that the AWB went to that meeting to shoot I would like to say to you that the AWB proved them wrong.