MR WILLIAMS
Mr van Zyl, on page 42, would you mind just going back to the seventh line from the bottom?  Would you mind reading that portion out to us please?
MR VAN ZYL
"... I noticed one white person there, one white man there that Gakkie identified as Peter Oliver.  There was also another person, or other people that Gakkie identified to me like Ferndale and Peter Williams.  We were approximately 30 metres or a little bit more from the hall.  Some of the Steering Committee members drove off and some were still standing in the parking area, talking.  I then told Gakkie to drive around the block, so that I could detonate the mine."