ABOOBAKER ISMAIL
No Mr Chairperson.  I am talking in the context of furthering the political aims and objectives of the organisation, of the ANC.  We are not here talking about actions, if someone went and stole something, we do not take responsibility for that and the ANC is on record as having said that.    But I also want to state that the ANC at all times take responsibility for what it sees as legitimate actions or actions carried out by those cadres in the furtherance of the struggle, unlike many in the apartheid regime who when the chips were on the table, turned tail and refused to even acknowledge that they were part of the system.  We do take responsibility, the ANC leadership takes responsibility.