MR BERGER
Indeed, and that is why one has to read into Section 31(3), because 31(3) has a bearing on these hearings as well, so one has to read into the word incriminating, something more than incriminating in the narrow criminal sense, because if the applicants were not tendering incriminating evidence, then they would not qualify for amnesty.     The point I wanted to make in that submission is my learned friend says he does not seek to illicit any evidence, incriminating evidence, the question is what evidence does he seek to illicit and for what purpose does he then intend to use that evidence, he hasn't made that clear.