MR JANSEN
Thank you, Mr Chairman, as indicated previously, evidence will be led in full on this matter.  Mr Chairman, it is matter No 4 in the application.  It starts in the application on paginated page 12, typed page 8.  In the manuscript the incident is dealt with at page 107 paragraph 5.4.15.1, it is the matter of Ace Moema.  If I could then recall Mr Coetzee to continue his evidence.