MR KAHANOVITZ
You see Mr Hardien, once again, I could understand if you were telling us that you told lies to minimise your role, but what you're actually telling us is that you told lies to maximise your role and the function that you played for the CCB.  You were more important, you did bigger jobs, you did more jobs, you got more money than people thought before.  Isn't that strange information to give to the TRC?