MR LAX
But you see what all these people say, including the applicant, is that the whole community was infuriated.  They have a situation where a whole community is up in arms, they're irrational, they're behaving badly, is it fair to say that he was the sole instigator of it all?  That's the only question I'm suggesting.  These statements are contradictory.  I mean Ndlovu - I've just quickly re-read Ndlovu's police statement as opposed to the affidavit, he doesn't talk about being threatened in any way to go to the meeting.  You understand?  In the light of all these contradictions it's very difficult for us to place a huge amount of weight on these statements.  If you'd called those people and they had testified and they had explained these contradictions, it might have been a different story.