PHILLIPUS JOHANNES CORNELIUS LOOTS
All right.  Mr Chair, the true situation was the following, when I took over as station of unit commander at unit B, I was in the very unfortunate situation of inheriting two very old members who were given to Mamelodi.  These were two Black members who worked for me in Mamelodi, these were Warrant Officer Leonard Dumira and Warrant Officer Hlongwane.  The first was already old enough to leave the force and Hendrik Bokaba was identified by Hlongwane and that is how ...[intervention]