MR SWANEPOEL
Modikoa, my apologies.  His application is found on page 142 of bundle 2, and Mhlapho if my memory serves me correctly, his accomplice in that specific event, Kifue Mhlapho, the testimony on page 187 of bundle 2, the testimony was abundantly clear, that they gave evidence that they received instructions from Ben, firstly to go and commit whatever deeds they testified about and secondly, that they did not know the names of the victims or if any damage was caused - or that they did know the names of the victims, my apologies, I confused their testimony with what their applications state, that they did know the victims, they knew it was Sibongile that they had to go and kill together with her sister, they knew her house, especially in Modikoa's case, especially in Mhlapho's case, where he actually was involved in a bombing of a house a month before.  He knew her very well, and yet he writes in his application that he does not know the names of the victims or if anybody was injured, while he full well knew that all the time.
	Secondly, the mention that they received their orders from the commander of Extension 2, and also Meneer.  Now if the person known as Meneer's application is perused it will be noted that during that time he says on page 240 of bundle two, that:
"I was the commander of Extension two SDU."
So they could not have been referring to the matter of Sibongile in their applications, in their written applications, because they did not on their own version, receive instructions from Meneer and they did know the names of their victims.