MS VAN DER WALT
Yes, Sir, I do listen to you, but if you look at the application then it is quite clear from it that my two clients were not in contact with Mr Gold at all and nor with Mr van Zyl.  The applications were done by different people in different parts of the country and then the possibility does exist that all of them would say 1980 in their applications, especially if you look at Mr van Zyl and I would like to draw the attention of the Committee to the fact that I think he was a remarkable witness and my client really could not remember, but Mr van Zyl in that regard was a superb witness, because those things he could recall, he did so and he coupled them to certain instances  and times and then I would accept that it was in 1980.  I don't think all of them would make the same mistake.
	Further, I don't know whether you would like to hear anything else from me as regards this aspect.