MR TIPP
Well let me then put to you for your comment, the evidence of your colleague, Sergeant van Greunen.  You're doubtless aware that Sergeant van Greunen testified at the inquest that what he saw was a group of about 500, coming from De Villiers Street and turning into that part of King George Street next to Shell House.  And to put it in slightly more detail, Sergeant van Greunen says that when you and he ran up to stop the crowd, they had already turned into King George Street, in other words they were already through the intersection.  Now that was your colleague Sergeant van Greunen who ran right up next to you.