CHAIRPERSON
We'll get there.  Gakkie doesn't say they must come and finish you,  he says:  "Ek het gemis", that can mean anything and he says:  "Next time ek sal jou kry".  Now we've also heard the evidence that when he arrived there, there was a bit of turmoil between other members because of Gakkie's presence, people were very unhappy that he was there, but let's stick to this.