J P VAN DEN BERG
He came to ask me where this hall was and I gave him directions.  We spoke about the matter, sort of superficially, asked each other are you scared, are you afraid and I said no, we must just all speak the truth.  And he mentioned to me that the investigating officer in this case, Capt Mshlapu had mentioned to him that Deputy Minister Mbeki and the Minister of Defence, Joe Modise had said that Matthews should go to Cape Town at some point.