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gave the order that the applicants have testified to, to Brigadier Cronje.  
	Now Mr Chairman this evidence would obviously be of a general nature. It will be important to 
further sketch the background against which the applicants and all Security Policemen acted during that 
time.  It will therefore be of great importance to the applicants' applications and I would want to submit Mr 
Chairman, that it will also be of great importance to the Committee in respect of all future applications by 
Security Policemen before this Committee - applications for amnesty.
	The evidence will not relate to any specific incidents for which Captain Van Jaarsveld might want 
to ask amnesty for, it will furthermore not relate to his involvement, his personal involvement, in any 
incidents which the applicants refer to in their applications.  And as I have stated will be of a general 
nature.
	Now Mr Chairman it is so that Captain Van Jaarsveld is a State witness in respect of certain 
incidents which the applicants have testified about and for which they in certain instances have been 
charged already.
	It is also true that we did launch an application in October, right at the beginning of the hearings, 
for State witnesses to be called as witnesses in support of the applicants' applications which application was 
refused.
	I went through my notes of that time pertaining to that application, and as I can recall the main 
reason was that the applicants could not advance to the Committee the specific facts and evidence which 
would be contained in dockets of the Attorney General and what the witnesses would come and testify 
about.
PRETORIA HEARING	AMNESTY/