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Mr Cachalia, sorry.  Just on that point, if you are saying that the IFP had preconceived this idea that they are going to attack, or if they were to say that, you know that would be backed by what Mr Dastile said, that they had heard them having a meeting saying that they were going to get rid of the Xhosas, Pondos and Batas, but then the problem that I'm having with that is that you never put it to any of the applicants, that there was this prior meeting where the IFP was shouting slogans and saying that they're going to get rid of the Xhosas.  That's the problem that I'm having because you never put it to the applicants.