MR STEENKAMP
Madam Chair, at this moment, if I'm not mistaken, I think it's more or less 30.  A list of victims has been prepared, it's in the process of being copied and it will be handed to you during the hearing and the full details of all the victims will be handed to you as required by the Act.  Madam Chair if I may at this time just ask, there's a household matter.  I've been requested by my learned colleagues if they will be allowed to remove their jackets during the time of this Hearing.  Thank  you Madam Chair.