MR MARTINI
I'll tell you why, correct me if I'm wrong Mr Botha, I made a note here when you were asked earlier and my note is, what I recall you did say you don't recall such a discussion, but if this was your evidence earlier, just correct me if I'm wrong, you said: "If such discussion did take place, I do not believe that Mr van Zyl would have told Barnard that."  Is that your evidence?