MR P DU PLESSIS
Mr Chairman, I really don't understand Mr Bizos' objection at all, I'm trying to establish facts from this witness and if the witness doesn't know the answer, or if he cannot remember, he can say so.  But the question is simple, did you or did you not discuss the procedure?  And the answer is either yes or no or "I can't remember."  Now what is the objection about?