MR VISSER
That was the person who made the affidavit marked P12 Mr Chairman, Brigadier Coetzee.  And he will give evidence to deny the allegations that he gave instructions to you regarding the elimination of Mr Venter.  Now in your statement, the words which Commissioner de Jager read to you I want to read to you as well, when you were shown this photograph you say, you say,
"I also noticed that it was Mr Venter, the....."
and then I can't read, what I've got here it's blanked out, probably...
".... the one we recruited as Security Branch informant with Lieutenant Erasmus".
I don't know whether I should read on, whether the sentence ends there, I think I should stop there Mr Chairman,"...with Lieutenant Erasmus".  Now the "we" that you refer to there does that refer to you and Lieutenant Erasmus?  I've just 
noticed that it's 4:30 Mr Chairman, 5:30.