W RIAAN BELLINGAN
Mr Chairman, this may be a technical point.  It may be that he together with other members from Vlakplaas visited Cape Town.  I cannot say with certainty yes or no, it is a possibility, but I did meet him once and then the askaris were already there.  I infiltrated him once.  I met him before the security branch's offices in Loop Street.  He had a shirt, looked like, looking like a clown in a circus and this is just a technical point.