JOE MAMASELA
I told him the story of the PEBCO 3, he might have confused the people there, that somebody, Niewoudt was beating them with - and instead of saying Niewoudt he said Venter.  He might have confused the issues.
	And when he invited me to come to this meeting he never told me that he was going to talk about the PEBCO 3.  I would have prepared myself, I would have come with my statement that I've made to the Attorney General.  He just said he's going to talk about Nklankla and I must help him out with Mklankla.
	And when we were there Dirk Coetzee talked a lot of things and the other documents will tell you the ridiculous statements that he made.  Even the allegations that George Fivaz was in the raid of Maseru, those were said by Dirk Coetzee.  I've got an affidavit of him, the same document in that same meeting. 
	So I'm not surprised that this thing emerges now all of a sudden, George Fivaz was in the Maseru raid.  It was Dirk Coetzee who said that.  He even implicated Doctor Jan D'Olivera of Maseru raid.  The man is mad.