MR VISSER
Mr Chairman, it just occurs to us that we are all under pressure to accelerate the process, we are sitting here listening to questions which are taking the matter with the greatest respect, no further in assisting you to come to a conclusion on whether amnesty should be granted or not.  Where he was, who he saw, have absolutely nothing to do with what you have to consider at the end of the day, and I don't want to interfere Mr Chairman, and I have been sitting here very quietly, as you will testify to yourself, really at some stage or other, can we get to the bottom of this, get to grips with the real issues in the matter, Mr Chairman?