MR JANSEN
In your application for amnesty, with regard to these facts, you set the facts out on pages 7 until the end of page 8 of your application, that is pages 22 and 23 of the Bundle of pages.  I would like to take you to the first paragraph of that, you say there that during 1986 and you refer to a discussion between you and Colonel De Kock regarding Mr Bantu Holomisa, is that date correct?