CHAIRPERSON
Sorry, just a minute.
	I think you should qualify your questions because the witness told you that there were three documents produced.  Now on the basis of only one document you have, you want to put it to the witness that: so only, I mean Niewoudt was not mentioned or the other way around, only Venter was mentioned.  
	We don't know what stands in the other remaining two documents, may Niewoudt was mentioned.  I think when you put it to the witness say: "As far as you can remember, as far as you can tell", qualify your question because otherwise it's based on the premise that he's not mentioned in the other two documents.  We don't have them, we don't know what stands in there.