MR GORDHAN
Just one last set of questions, Chairperson, and that is again in terms of Mr Ndaba's relationship with Mr Botha and Mr Ndaba was the only of the two detainees, Chairperson, of Mr Shabalala and Mr Ndaba that knew of this flat so that you have that information.  He was a member of, I think you mention in your earlier evidence, a military committee.  What did he say about the membership of that committee, who were the members of that committee?