FERDINAND BARNARD
Sir, what happened was that Mr van Zyl did not really want to meet with me in the first sitting, in the second sitting things changed.  I think the cross-examination started worrying him and then he went to some trouble to go up to me and meet me and greet me.  That made me feel a bit uncomfortable, but I wasn't quite sure what he was planning because it only happened afterwards, so I did talk to him.  I think it was the third sitting when he came to me to greet me, I told him to fuck off because he's a two-face.  It was the morning here when I was here the first time.  And there's a reason why I did this.