MR SIBANYONI
Mr van der Heyde appears for the IFP.  In other words, if I understand you correctly you are saying the Black Cats were the youth organisation of the IFP at Ermelo and then they didn't say they are the IFP, they instead say they are Black Cats because they wanted to hide the fact that they are IFP.  Are you sure that they were really the IFP Youth Brigade?