JOE MAMASELA
I don't want to put black and white applicants, an applicant is an applicant as far as I'm concerned, I want to concentrate on the truth.  The truth of the matter is, it is clear in the amnesty application that you must satisfy two categories.  First you must make sure that the crimes you committed were of a political nature and secondly, you were doing it for a particular organisation.
	Now, most of the crimes these people committed were of a criminal nature, not a political nature, so in order to get amnesty they are trying to politicise the criminality and that is where now we get these problems.
That is the gist of my statement, that's where you get different versions.
	Some people they want to say: "Those people they were political giants, they belong to the ANC, we had a duty as security policemen to arrest or to kill them", whilst on the other hand we know for a fact that it's not an ...[indistinct] that those people were not ANC people, they were ordinary residents of Port Elizabeth.  They belonged to PEBCO.  
	They spent their long suffering twin lives in the townships, they never left the country for military training.