ME DEHAL
I'm indebted to you, Mr de Jager, in fact I support and endorse those sentiments.  The only reservation, the reason that necessitated this testimony is that the Evidence Leader drew to my attention that the victims would like to hear in the own words of the applicant how it happened, so I think it's sufficiently covered actually.  Thank you.  Mr Madlala, that would conclude your application for amnesty and if there's something you haven't dealt with on any given point, on any aspect that you now seek to address on which we haven't dealt with, then you can deal with those, but I think we've dealt with all the aspects, haven't we?