CHAIRPERSON
What I've said Mr Cachalia, whatever he says about, you've said, do you expect us to believe that in, within a very short time, a matter of minutes, the group grew from 100 to 400.  If he says yes, or if he says no, it's not going to make any difference to us here I can assure you, because we don't know that all the group were around his house.  That 100 people.  I mean there could have been 300 people on the soccer field, and a hundred come down to his house.  That doesn't mean that that group of a hundred suddenly grew to 400, they just came from nowhere down from the hills or anything.  And he only saw a hundred around his house, there might have been 400 there but they were out of his view, so it's not attacking his credibility, whatever he says.