MR BOTHA
Let me put it this way. The objectives of the AWB and the Orde Boerevolk at that stage, was to prepare for the struggle that had already commenced, according to us, and we wanted to arm ourselves. It did not matter where we obtained the weapons from, we simply had to find weapons - to collect arms because you can't fight a war without arms and ammunition.
And we, and by that I mean members of the AWB and the Orde Boerevolk, our aim was to collect weapons so that we could wage a war. We couldn't wage a war by words alone, we needed weapons. And  we must bear in mind that we had declared war against the then National Party government. They were in control of the Defence force, the Police, and all the arms and ammunition. We didn't have funds at our disposal and we simply had to obtain weapons in whatever way we could.