GIDEON JOHANNES NIEUWOUDT
Mr Chairperson, I just wish to explain.  The custom was - because we also used that police station to de-brief sources but normally somebody would contact the branch commander and the keys would then be left by him in a certain place or we would collect the keys from his house, depending on the circumstances but on that specific day I can't remember what happened exactly - whether he had left the key close to the wind pump, I can't remember exactly.