MR PHOSA
I'm going to have - if it's being argued like this by people before me, I'm going to differ.  I submit with respect, that if a person - if it can be shown that the applicant in fact is not concerned with anything else but just saving his skin - he was involved in a criminal case but he knows that he can't say: "I was involved in a criminal case".  In order to save his skin he's got to say it was political and ...[intervention]