GIDEON JOHANNES NIEUWOUDT
Mr Chairperson, according to my personal experience, it was a problem, it would still have been a problem under the present circumstances.  I know specifically in the case Mr Barney Pityana - Doctor Barney Pityana sorry, where all the necessary steps were taken and it had no effect.  I also think of the late Steve Biko where he did not pay any attention whatsoever to the restriction. 	And it was difficult for me but I'm talking from personal experience and the problems that I experienced on ground level in dealing with this type of thing and physically monitoring it.