BERNARD MAKGABO NGOEPE
It does not help us for them to come and say
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MR BANADE	116	ADDRESS
well, we killed this man and then you regard it as a disclosure of a material aspect.  The fact that they killed that person is not of earth shattering importance, because we know they did that.  Of importance is for them to tell us how they went about doing that.  For example, an applicant would say that I took out a knife, I stabbed him three times, and he stood up to try and run away, I tripped him and then I stabbed him twice in the back and all that sort of thing.  Those are the important details that we need to know.  That is what full disclosure is all about.  It is not enough for an applicant just to say well, I killed that person.  And perhaps you may have to address us with regard to whether or not, with reference to what I have said as important, how your clients acquitted themselves around that issue.