CHAIRPERSON
Mr Danster, maybe it's very confusing for you to sit here with so many legal people, I'm going to try and be of some assistance to you.  We have to determine what the facts are, help us.  The question about the torture of Mr Kondile is a matter of great importance, when it began, how long did it take, when it ended.  These are matters of importance.
	Now, the question about when did the torture of Mr Kondile end, one of the answers you have given is that it ended a few days before - shortly before he was taken to Komatiepoort.  Another answer that you have given was that torture had ended after the incident that had taken place when you had taken him to Umtata and when people had been shot at about that time.  Do you understand that?  
	Those are the versions you have given, there might be another version as well.  You've said about the torture cooled off.  Now I'm affording an opportunity to give me your final answer and take your time about it.