MR RHAMAPHOSA
Chairperson, Mr Ronnie Kasrils is sitting right next to me.  For some reason or other, he believes that his freedom of speech for the moment has been completely curtailed in this Commission and he is boiling inside and would like to respond to those two questions because he was much more directly involved with those two.  I don't know whether he is permitted or that should stand until he makes his own statement.