MR RAMAWELE
Mr Chairman, it is the version of Mr Nofomela that indeed he was there and the problem that we sit with is the fact that you are sitting with Mr Vermeulen, you are sitting with Mr Radebe and Mr de Kock who say that Mr Nofomela was not there.  If you look at Mr Vermeulen himself, you look at his evidence in order to see whether you can believe his version that Mr Nofomela was not at the bridge.  If you look at Mr Vermeulen's version, Mr Vermeulen, with due respect to him, he says you know they went to, they drove to the bridge and at the bridge they were waiting at the bridge and upon being asked he says, no they wanted to assist the people who had gone into Chesterville by vehicle but according to Mr Vermeulen, he did not know where they had gone into, he did not know how far they had gone into, they didn't even know Chesterville. So according to his own testimony, Mr Vermeulen, you know he wouldn't have been able to assist them because he didn't know where they had gone to and his own testimony, he doesn't - it is not clear, there is no reason whatsoever why they were at the bridge, because they couldn't offer assistance to those guys.  Those guys had gone there with the car, so his own testimony as to why they were at the bridge doesn't make sense.  He was just at the bridge.  He couldn't say why he was at the bridge.