CHAIRPERSON
Isn't the importance that the first was a complete denial they then on a change of plea they told the Court what they were doing on the day in question was taking part in an operation for the furtherance for the objective of APLA obviously. He has agreed that they still did not mention the fact that Mr Meyers was a member of the AWB and given all sorts of reasons for it. The question is if they were taking part in an APLA operation and this was the main base for it, why didn't he tell the Court? Because he has agreed he did not tell the Court. He did not tell the Court on the 19th of July 1994 and he did not in his amnesty application filled in September 1996 and - when was the next one? 1997 he still did not disclose the fact. And that is what is this issue, isn't it?