MR VISSER
Let us deal with Mr Visagie.  It might be an appropriate time Mr Chairman to place on record, Mr Visagie is not in the country, he is in America.  He's not able to attend these hearings although he has made application for amnesty.  His application is on the basis that he was aware that the vehicle that he was asked to prepare, as it were, was for the kidnapping of Zandile, or at least a person, the unlawful kidnapping of a person.  I believe it's of Zandile itself.  I'm referring to page 86.  Yes, indeed it refers to her personally, Mr Chairman, I'm reminded.  It's page 86 of the same bundle, bundle 2.  You will see that the bottom of the page he says that he had knowledge that the security branch intended to abduct Zandile from Swaziland he describes his task in the following fashion, he says
"My task was to find out what her address was in Swaziland and to confirm it and then to pass on the information to the relevant security branch.  Furthermore I was responsible for the preparation of the vehicle with which she was to be abducted from Swaziland."
And he says, over the page at page 87:
"I was not involved in the execution of the operation and found out later that she indeed was abducted as it was planned and in the process I have probably made myself guilty to a conspiracy"
That is the extent of his application.
	Mr Botha, you heard what I have read now with regard to Mr Visagie, is there anything else that you want to add in terms of this evidence to which you concur or not?