GIDEON JOHANNES NIEUWOUDT
I know about Mr Vlok's statements where he referred to the word elimination and when he was confronted with this fact he said that it actually meant something else and if I think back that's what I can remember, I don't know whether he was in favour of this.  And I think P W Botha also said first shoot and then ask questions, so that's what I can think of Mr Chairperson.