JUDGE DE JAGER
...(inaudible) seem to be relevant but I think it's very, very unfair to lead evidence about the sons involvement in killing his father.  It may be relevant but I just want to ask you to make very, very sure about those facts because it may be said today that it's so and it could really reflect on the future of such a young man.  We've got evidence that he didn't agree for instance to light the body of his father, so to strike the match, so I think that's common cause because he himself said so but I'm not sure whether he ever agreed with any decision to kill his father.