MR CLAASSEN
Thank you Mr Chair.  Chair just getting back to what Mr Lax said and the specific choice of words that was I believe indeed interpreted that they wanted to join the fight or the attack as such.  Mr Chair I think it is obvious that there was a looming threat from the side of the IFP, in that there was a group gathering.  It was a far superior group in numbers.  I think it was by several applicants stated that they did see arms, albeit that they did not see firearms as such, but the ANC group were armed, and Mr Chair it's just my submission, in those circumstances, obviously inferences can be drawn from why they decided to do what they did in the end, but I think it was, and I think specifically Mr Mpongosi, I think maybe said what was not said by anyone else, in saying that they knew what was going to happen.  And also the allegation that they were stoned first.  I think it's very difficult to conclusively say one attacked the other, and I mean that is as Advocate Sigodi mentioned, that is the basis of full disclosure and in being truthful and honest and taking this Committee into their ...(intervention)