JOHANNES LODEWIKUS GRIEBENAUW
That is correct.  I'd like to emphasise that this onslaught was not limited to certain areas but that it was aimed against the Republic as a whole.  We therefore can't judge issues and incidents in the Western Cape in isolation and we also can't judge the actions of members of the security branch in the Western Cape, in isolation.  There was a line of command which went from the most junior member to the commissioner of police.
	There was legislation and departmental regulations and provisions determined exactly how a detainee should be dealt with in terms of Section 29 of  Act 74 of 1982 - The Internal Security Act.  This legislation and regulations placed certain obligations on the inspector  of detainees, district surgeons, magistrates and commanding officers on various levels and attached to other divisions of the police.
	From time to time it also necessitated reporting to certain bodies.  There was a register which had to be kept up to date and visitors to the detainees would have to fill in this register during their visits to the detainees and have to sign it.  There was a prescribed procedure to be followed should a Section 29 detainee lay a complaint.  
	Allegations of assault inter alias had to be investigated by a senior officer in the detective branch and not by an officer attached to the security branch.  By means of Advocate Cook, I requested the police to place at my disposal the relevant Section 29 detainee files but I was told that it couldn't be traced.  
	In respect of the armed struggle against the RSA, as I've already said, it was necessary to go back to that issue to 1961 when the ANC/SACP Alliance committed themselves to an armed struggle.  As the armed struggle escalated, it was expected of the police more and more to become involved in situations which fell outside the normal boundaries of policing functions.
	The South African police was since 1967 used to do border duty in Zimbabwe and obviously they had to receive special training for that and in this way they were introduced to conventional warfare.  This exposure resulted in the fact that principle of minimum of violence was severely prejudiced and to a certain extent was actually just swept aside.  Border duty for the police was later extended to Namibia and also in relation to our own borders with our neighbouring countries, which brought about more and more exposure to conventional warfare.
	Even later the battle which was being waged on our borders moved to within our country and this condition and situation and how it developed was discussed by the former Commissioner of Police, General van der Merwe, in a statement which he handed in the amnesty application of Brigadier Jack Cronje and others and a copy has been attached to this statement in front of you now.
	I'd like to refer to specific portions in this statement because it deals with a period and circumstances which has an influence on or an effect of the application of these two members.    And if you just look at these portions, paragraph - page 3, paragraph 5:
"Amongst other things the principles of minimum violence and the bringing of perpetrators before criminal courts was to be seriously effected and even eroded".