MAUREEN VENTER
I don't believe Mr Derby-Lewis made any statement at that point.  If I can remember correctly, in fact I recall as we walked out, now that you've said my memory has been refreshed, if one really thinks about it, I can recall that we walked outside and Gay discussed Sportron a bit further with me and my husband and Clive walked to the car. They climbed into the car, they greeted us and they left.  A statement which might have been made - I couldn't say it to you because then I would be lying and I can't made a definite statement about anything that might have been said.  It is impossible for me to make such a statement.  Surprise perhaps even, but what does that mean?  It could be extreme surprise, it could be something like "oh how terrible" it could have been anything.