MR VISSER
Chairperson no, except that it has occurred to us that we might call Mr Botha back because of questions that have been put to other witnesses which really concerns Mr Botha whether he brought the stuff along with him in this new view that we have on the matter of two separate occasions.  I think that he should be given an opportunity to tell you what his evidence is.  I'm not sure whether he is here, I don't see him.   Can I ask for a brief adjournment just to see whether he is here, Chairperson?