CHAIRPERSON
Mr Ford?
CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR FORD
	Thank you, Mr Chairman.  Ford, on behalf of Mrs Mgoduka and Mrs Faku.
	Mr De Kock, annexed to the application of Mr Nieuwoudt is the judgment given by his Lordship, Mr Justice Van Rensburg in the criminal trial in which Mr Nieuwoudt and others were convicted. You testified in that trial, that is common cause.