CHAIRPERSON
And is there any significance in Mr de Kock's testimony that Vlakplaas was really an operational unit?  "Bevegseenheid", which is now deployed to investigate.  In fact I think Mr de Kock himself says that they were very ill equipped to investigate.  He has never done any, he's got very little background himself, the Commander, Mr de Kock, about investigations.  Now they are deployed to come and investigate the killing in Durban.  They don't know the area at all, they're dependent on people who know the area.