ULRICH SCHELHASE
There are three phases within the McEwan Strategy Sir.  The first phase is what they call the organisation phase.  A second phase is the terrorist phase.  A third phase is the guerilla phase.  Now we didn't have a guerilla situation in that sense of the term in the Western Cape, but we did have incidences of terrorism or people who were associated with terrorism.  There were special police units as far as I came to know that in the system who dealt with that specific situation.
 We were not involved actually in what happened with terrorists and how they were caught and who caught them and so on.  Our focus, when I say "our" I talk about the civilians and some of the military personnel, we were more focused on the organisation phase.