MR MALAN
Let me ask you a general question.  I can understand that you were under instruction from Commandant Kloppers and that you took your instructions from him.  If there was a disciplinary structure as you would tell us there was definitely one, then I can understand that you would expect in this process that those who are under you would comply with the orders.  What's difficult for me to understand is why you want to involve General Oelofse according to Mr Kloppers' testimony, are you trying to protect Mr Kloppers at all?