MR STEPHENS
No, they knew that they were there because they were up and down the whole time.  That's why I said they weren't in one specific space all the time, they were moving up and down.  But at that time when the shooting started, there was only the Policeman and the ANC security - well I took it as okay, the security guard that was standing there, that's all that I knew at that specific time.  Before that, 20 seconds before it, 10 seconds before it, the guys were moving up and down, so they knew exactly what was happening.  But when the shots started, there was only the guard there and the Policeman.  Ten ...(intervention)