MR CORNELIUS
Nortje, Mr de Jager, I think it's Mr Nortje.  Yes on page 23 of the piece in front of you, paragraph 12, the second half.  He says
"I can only mention that approximately one or two years after the incident, Simon told me that one of the members of Vlakplaas by the name of Aubrey Magopo, that specific evening had gotten very nervous and that he had pulled this trigger of his Uzi machine gun in a hurry and after this the other members also shot."
This could have happened, Mr Chairperson.