EUGENE ALEXANDER DE KOCK
Mr Chairperson, if I can put it this way, your askari or your former ANC or PAC member had his service pistol which was a P38, it was a 9mm revolver or a Baretta 9mm.  The female staff, or the female staff in the Force would have been white or black, was issued with a .32 Walter pistol because of the fact that their hands were smaller and they had a smaller handgrip and then your group leaders and some of the askaris, of your senior people, were issued with an Uzi or HMK, a sub-machine gun.  Every vehicle that the group leader was responsible for, had a bag, a sail bag and normally this had two R1s with two magazines, two Browning rifles and SSG ammunition and then Uzi's had also been given to them, two Uzi's with four or five magazines each, two sets of handcuffs, between three and four feetcuffs, smoke teargas grenades had been given to them and then also flares and then we also gave them smoke grenades of different colours, if it would be necessary to call in the helicopter.  This bag with all this equipment in , the section leader was in charge of it, if he came back to Vlakplaas, then the weapons would be cleaned and it would be locked up in his personal safe that was issued to him at Vlakplaas.