MR BLACK
May I interrupt there, I don't want to - I think it must be a misunderstanding between my learned friend and Mr Gushu.
	Mr Gushu as I understand his evidence, he acted under the command of Hlaza, but when he did - Mr Gushu did mention Keswa and in that, he said he received information relating to para-military training of trainees from Keswa.  If that could just be ...