MR P DU PLESSIS
Mr Chairman, unfortunately I will have to deal with the whole Lubowski/Aitchison saga in view of the questions that have been put here to different witnesses, so although Mr Maree did not ask for amnesty in this regard, there's nothing in terms of my instructions he  had to ask for amnesty for.  I have to place this within the bigger picture, when we're dealing with Mr Gavin Evans, so at this stage I'm dealing with this.  Therefore you say that you went to establish Aitchison there?