MR VISSER
Yes.  Incidentally, Kopi is one of the persons for whom I appear and he, in fact, confirms your evidence.  Kopi can tell the Committee, if he is asked to do so, that he was present and he was, in fact, one of the persons who interrogated people in that group, but he says that he never saw anybody assault anyone in his presence either.  I know that you did not implicate him, but he says he never saw any assaults on any of you.  I just want to put it to you.  If you want to make a comment about it you are welcome.