MR WILLIAMS
Yes, but is it so that at that stage the gangsters held meetings at the Athlone North School, they were involved fighting for example, they committed crimes together and because of those facts you can then infer that they were gangsters or not gangsters and sometimes it's very difficult for somebody who did not grow up in such an environment or in such a community, to understand what the relationship is between a person who grew up in that community but who did not turn to gangsterism.  And I'd like to deal with that specific aspect now.
	Can you tell the Committee what would happen with you as a person if you grew up in that community, but you - let's say for example, you are a young man, you do not greet the gangsters, you never talk to them, you just walk past them, will this place your life in danger?