CHAIRPERSON
Jabu, may I just follow-up on the line of questioning of Mrs Sooka and Dr Ally?
 Did a - it's clear by now to us, from our experience all over they country, that whenever such meetings took place, as you have been describing, and the police decided to disperse it, that the pattern that you've described is probably the correct pattern.  
 They give you a certain time within which to disperse.  If you don't do it, they use teargas, they use buckshot, they use rubber bullets and they disperse the crowd.  
 In principle that is what happened.  Now the difficulty that I have, having listened to you is that, that part you give us in exactly the same way as our experiences.  But you seem to feel that we may be sitting here as a court of law, wanting to accuse you again.  
 So we don't get in the same open fashion your story as to really what the activities of the youth were.  In your evidence you simply said that after you were dispersed and the people were running away, you say, two houses of policemen started to burn.
 Now frankly, houses don't start to burn by themselves.  People set fire to houses.  They commit arson in some way.  And this too, was a pattern in the struggle.  Can't you tell us more about that.  
 I mean, surely you were an active member of the youth league.  Was this a pattern?  Did the youth do it?  You don't have to tell us whether you participated or not.  
 But in some way you make, you create the impression as if you're saying it happens by itself.  And there were two sides or more sides to the conflict.  Won't you share a little of that with us?