HASSAN MALL
Mr Chairman, if I may just digress and just to add some light on this.  My instructions from my clients are that, from one of my clients, Mr Dunn, who was employed by the Electricity Department, was that him, Col Welman and Sgt van der Merwe were in the ambulance waiting to be taken away and there was this gentleman who came up to the ambulance driver and asked who the first person was and this gentleman was informed by the ambulance driver that that was a policeman, it was Col Welman.  He then asked who the next gentleman was and he informed him that that was another policeman, that was Sgt van der Merwe, and when he asked who the third gentleman was he said well he was a person who worked for the Electricity Department, and Mr Webster went up to him and actually apologised to him in the ambulance at the time.