ADV PRIOR
Yes, murder by one bullet, with respect, or murder by a prolonged or sustained assault is another thing.  We've heard evidence in other hearings, in the Cradock matter, where people were over a period of time tortured.  I'm not saying Mr Smit was tortured to that extent, but there are degrees of conduct, there's degrees of, and that's why the requirement is one of gravity, is that how grave is the act?