MR WESSELS
Mr Chairman, as far as my client is concerned who was the Managing Director of the CCB, he said that he's not talking about matters outside the county because it might incriminate him and that is enough for my learned friends to make their argument that they wish to make at the end of the day.  We don't have to go through the detail of all this and spend hours and hours on something that's already been made and conceded.  That they're not making full disclosure of events that took place outside the country.  The argument at the end of the day is, are they compelled to make it or are they not compelled to make it?  The basis has already been laid for either argument.