MR VISSER
Chairperson, we have a problem with this.  We've asked you, the Committee, whether we can take height measurements ourselves.  The witnesses have agreed to that.  Mr Wills doesn't want to allow us to do that.  We've got two different heights of Mrs Masetla on record now.  There's clearly a disparity of 10 centimetres.  But if that's the evidence which Mr Wills wishes to present, Chairperson, I'm not going to stop him.