CHAIRPERSON
No Mr Wills, no.  We have an application before us this week where the applicant applied for two offences, the first was being member of the - killing a member of the ANC wasn't it?  Being a member of the ANC and killing a member of the IFP.  A few years later now being a member of the IFP, he killed a member of the ANC and at that time he was working as a -  in the ministerial protection unit so I don't think one can necessarily place weight on their current positions.