H J P BOTHA
Chairperson we were in Pretoria twice.  If there is any confusion with regard to the dates, but the first occasion, if I recall correctly, it was the 10th that we went to Pretoria and the following morning we spoke to Gen van der Merwe and the very same day we returned back to Durban.  The reason why I recall that is when we saw Gen Smit the first day, he arranged that Gen van der Merwe would see us the following morning and it was early, before the normal day's activities.