MR VAN RENSBERG
Thank you Mr chairperson.   Okay, and
 also in the statementthat you have made, which is included  - 
page 9 of theBundle before this Committee, you said that Piet 
Nocir, I suppose that is PietNociri, is that correct -             "...  
gave you someinformation that this owner of the Ganula Chicken 
Farm, obviouslyreferring to Mr Swanepoel, is a white man who 
did not likeblack people and also that he is an AWB member in 
the Tzaneen area.
        This informationcontained or these allegations contained in your statement, did you have firsthand evidence of this yourself or is this also information that you obtainedfrom someone else?