IAN MUNRO PHILLIPS
I remember at a particular time, immediately following the record of understanding that was signed between the ANC and the National Party which was viciously rejected by the  IFP at the time, there was a massive surge of violence in a number of communities, including around here, but particularly down in the South Coast area.
	And at that stage something happened, resources dried up.  There had also been a great deal of police activity, I recall confiscations and that type of thing, and Mandla had come to me and indicated that we need something.
	My reference was straight through to MHQ, this is by the end of September 1992 or something like that, to indicate that help, we need some weapons, things are actually in a sensitive and difficult position, can you do something?
	I can't remember specifically, but it must have been about two or three days later, the call came through to say we have been able to do something, here is the communication, it is coming through.  I passed that straight on to Mandla, and that was it.
	But I mean, these again by saying that there was no written record, I don't have a diary that actually notes these things in any particular manner, but the - I suppose the point I am making ultimately is that the acquisition of weapons in my own mind and recollection, were distinctly related to particular periods of very intense conflicts in certain communities.
	That was - and ammunition in particular.