FERDINAND BARNARD
Yes, I was in custody and I saw Mr van Zyl the morning he walked in and as I told you, he was cold and calculated, he went to the box and gave me 10 years.  He did not want to do me any favours.  He stuck with the statement of 1988, where he said he made all the revelations or disclosures.  It was with that statement of that time that he did not want to veer off from that.  I was already in maximum prison, there was no access to me by him.