MS PATEL
That might be so, Honourable Chairperson, I will however still submit that one of the other objectives was also to drive the farmers away and my submission is simply that it wasn't necessary to assault them in the manner in which they were assaulted in order to achieve that desired objective.  Also to get the firearms, it wasn't necessary for those victims to be assaulted in that way, they could very easily have perhaps tied them up.