MR ZWANE
Yes, that is correct.  Initially we didn't have knowledge, I think it was about 1990 shortly after the unbanning of the ANC, we thought that when we went to ANC, should I say Chris Hani himself being a soldier, he might be in the position to help us with firearms, and he then explained to us that they didn't have arms.
	Instead we should come up with our own means to protect ourselves.  I don't know whether that answer is satisfactory.