CHAIRPERSON
And in any event on Sithole's own evidence, he didn't want this to happen.  I mean, he only became a party at the last minute, and I think that's also on Mr Dastile's evidence.  Sithole was going, it was just immediately prior that he was given that, up until then his intention was to peacefully settle it, and I think we can accept that.  I don't think you can argue against that.  So, you know, for him suddenly to act out of ill will was very difficult to find.