ADV BOSMAN
No, that I follow.  I will leave it at that.  Just one more question and it's just a question of clarification.  The evidence has been that you were a three-man committee of which Mr John Mndebele was one and I, the evidence was that you were a three-man committee that took the decision about the elimination of Chris Ngwenya and Jwi Zwane and Mr Mndebele was one of the members and yet you said Mr Mndebele could not possibly have influenced this committee.  If you could just explain that because I find it contrary to logic.