MR SWANEPOEL
Yes, the only defect which I can hold out to the Committee is again, while both of these applicants knew Msizi very well, neither of them disclosed his identity or the damage caused to his house, which on their own version they realised the following day in their applications.  And on the balance of probabilities, and I know it's difficult to implement a test such as that in proceedings such as this, but the fact of the matter is that we must work with probabilities.