RAYNER MARIA MORINGER
Mr Chairperson, may I - I am not a political analyst, so I can only give you my opinion, but I think what I would like to point out here is the Ciskei, Charles Sebe association was in 1988.  The abduction of Mr Mbotoli was in 1991.  I don't want to see those two things mixed together, because they have got nothing to do together.  At that time, in 1988, there was interest from the Transkei to get rid of Lennox Sebe and put in Charles Sebe for - okay, I didn't know at that time, the expression or this unified type Xhosaland, but there was definitely at that time, interest from the Transkei government to not necessarily unify, but get a government into the Ciskei which they can deal on a more friendly basis.  This is what I am talking from 1988 where I was associated with Charles Sebe.  In 1991 at the time of the abduction of Mr Mbotoli, a similar scenario was in place, the only thing is this, if you take it mathematically, the 1988 situation was a plus situation, the 1991 situation, was a minus situation, where this was a reversed attempt to unify the Ciskei and the Transkei, in this particular incident, supported by the South African government, in order to prevent the liberation movement to have a base.  Does that answer your question?