MR VISSER
Yes, and you say you went to Amsterdam.
MR VORSTER
"After we had crossed the border fence and were safely back in the RSA, Verwey and Labuschagne went back to Middelburg.  At the house in Amsterdam interrogation took place of Cele, between myself, Col Taylor and Col Botha.
		My chief purpose in this regard was to recruit Cele as an informer because this was the reason why he was abducted and the information which was given as such to me by Sikhakane.  So I was in the process of recruiting him as an informer."