MR MCBRIDE
I don't think I'm in a position to explain of ANC political officials, what they envisaged as that.  It was certainly something different from what was going on before and I'm not sure whether revenge attacks were carried out.  I'm saying this is what was called for in the literature.  I've read some of them out in the submissions I gave to you.  My application for amnesty carries some of the comments made about avenge in our ...(indistinct).  That's the atmosphere in which this was taking place and that's what I intended to convey, nothing else.