BERTWELL BHEKI NDLOVU
Let me explain Chair, if I remember correctly the people at Westville did not want us to involve ourselves in the TRC process.  Somebody came with an IFP lawyer, Nicky Britz, as well as captain Shlengwa, who was the head of the BSI, but was not working at the IFP office.  They did not want us to involve ourselves with the TRC process because they said it was part of those people who were being used by the ANC to undermine their integrity.  Therefore I realised that it will be difficult for me not to reveal what actually happened, just like the involvement of MZ Khumalo in incidents at Imbali, therefore it should be taken into consideration that they were afraid that I would actually undermine him.