TESTIMONY_GIVER:
  I thank you.  Through you, Mr Chairperson, I think even until this morning I had a great deal of doubt myself as to whether I should actually come and say what I said.  I thought of even withdrawing, because I felt that why should I say it.  There are hundreds of very prominent lawyers and organizations of various types that should have indicated that they would want to produce this kind of evidence or say something about this - what I thought needed to be said - but I couldn't be sure and one really didn't know whether this may pass through Durban and maybe elsewhere and it may not be said, but yesterday I read the same article that you referred to Mr Ntsebeza in the Daily News, and I brought it along with me in case I needed to refer to it, and I believe that we in this country, all of us, are not defending any wrong-doings of individuals and  /I wholly