WOUTER J BASSON
No, Chairperson, all presentations were on the project file, as I've explained earlier, with the member's signature and the Regional Manager's signature and the signature of the Managing Director and this file was good enough for me with the Managing Director's signature.  It was not a working method that this file would be given to the Chairperson and that he would sign it.  I had no file with Gen Webb's signature on it but there were signatures of Gen Joubert on some of my external projects.