MR NGUDLE
He said my father whispered to his ear as the Rivonia Trialist were - were put together with the other prisoners during the exercises.  He told him that he was going to give him a note, just a little paper so as he did - he did drop the little paper when he was just passing next to him.
Now as a - Mr Mbeki just pretended as if he was tying his shoelace, and then he picked up the paper and he read it in his own time.  Now in the paper it was written that he was being tortured, that is now my father [intervention]