GEORGE DUBE
I had my passport alright.  I passed Swaziland.  From Swaziland you crossed Nomahashe to Mozambique, Maputo.  When I arrived in Maputo I got some other - because I went straight to the camps of Frelimo.  What I had in mind is that if I go to Maputo I know I will get - because there is now a Black government, they won't give me any problems.  I will explain to them that I want to pass, I want to go to Zambia, I want to go and join the liberation movement.
 So when I arrived in Maputo I went straight to the camp there were two guys also in that camp who came from South Africa.  These two fellows they came from Soweto, that was Charles Buthelezi and Nelson Hatlane.  So I stayed with them in the camp.  They are the people who told me that they are going to join ANC. I had little knowledge about ANC.  So after some few weeks because they said they talked with the commander of that camp of Frelimo and the commander said they must wait they are going to consult ANC to come and take them to Tanzania or Zambia where there are ANC offices, headquarters.  So after some few weeks we were taken to a certain prison, that is Cades Seville in Maputo.  So we were surprised why are they taking us to prison these people.
JOHANNESBURG HEARING TRC/GAUTENG
7 G DUBE
So we just stayed there in prison for one and a half months, two months then we were taken out of that prison in Cades Seville.  We were taken to go and join some other refugees who were staying around town under UN, South African refugees and Zimbabwe refugees.  We joined these people then we were taken to a certain bush, bundu called Memo, Memo District in Manjokazi District.  In this district there's a certain place called Memo where these people keep their cattle, there are only kraals there.  Their cattle graze in that area.  Then after locking their cattle up they go to their homes like ten kilometres away from those kraals.  So we were taken to stay there to build our own refugee camp.
 Alright we stayed there because it was just a bush.  We came with zincs from UN and two big pots, a bag of rice and a bag of beans, two bags of beans.  That is what we used to eat almost every day, lunch and supper, no oil and no other relishes.  It was only beans.  So we were given axes, some hose and these zincs and we just made some small shelter for the people which we had.  We had about four females with us, South Africans and one Zimbabwean.  So we made shelter for them, we slept under the trees because we had beds and blankets from the UN. 
 So we started building ourselves houses with reeds because that's the way - that's the way they are building houses there in Mozambique, building with reeds and then on top we put these zincs that we came with.  We opened up fields there, ploughing mealies.  Alright beside that we made some small garden because ...(intervention)
REV. FINCA: Okay let me interrupt you again, I am sorry.  You are going to be testifying to the Commission about abuses which were done to you when you were arrested in the
JOHANNESBURG HEARING TRC/GAUTENG
8 G DUBE
ANC camps so the details about planting mealies may be interesting but it's not relevant to what you are going to be saying.  I would like to take you through the period when you actually joined the ANC and in your statement you said you became the Commander of Umkhonto e'Sizwe, can you just take us through that period please?