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Sorry.  Okay, I'll try my best.  In urban areas people who were regarded as enemies of liberation movements, some of them were necklaced.  We didn't have that type of a thing in this particular place, but the people who were behind necklacing of people in urban areas, wanted this area to become ungovernable.  What did they choose?  What was it that could make the people here also ungovernable?  They chose witchcraft.  Now this doesn't mean that in urban areas people, I mean, there are no people who don't believe in witchcraft.  There are, but it is a difference of degrees, but in the countryside, especially in Venda, when the traditional leaders here opted for the so-called independence, they unfortunately did not abolish some of the elements in the South African Anti Witchcraft Act eg in that Act believing in Witchcraft, if I can remember, is not approved.  Pointing as somebody as a witch was something very, very serious.   So the chiefs this side who traditionally believed in witchcraft, accepted that Act but by so accepting it, it was virtually like taking a person and putting a spear on his back, because those who wanted to see this area ungovernable presented chiefs as protectors of witches.   So the chiefs were then presented as protectors of witches.  In that case there was no law and order in this area.