PROF DE KOKER
Thank you very much.  Mr Chairman, then I would like raise two preliminary issues.  I referred yesterday to various statements made by Mr Mbatwa who is one of the gentlemen currently imprisoned.  We were informed by the TRC that only Mr Nkotla applied for amnesty.  It appears from the documentation in front of us on page 58 and 59, that is the thicker bundle, last paragraph before the heading: "Perpetrators", the complainant Sipho Moses Mbatwa has also applied for amnesty on the first of June 1996 but as he states that he's not guilty of the crime, the Amnesty Committee replied in a letter that his case was out of the mandate, that is also repeated on page 59.
	In the light of the importance of Mr Mbatwa statements, we believe that it would be important to have access to this particular document.  Furthermore it transpires from the evidence that Mr Mbatwa admitted to possession of a hand grenade, he was charged for that offence, he was found guilty and he is serving a term of imprisonment for that offence.  That would then seem to be a crime of which he was guilty and for which he might therefore have applied for amnesty.  The question seems to be hanging in the air and I believe the only way to solve it would be for us to have access to that document.