BERNARD MAKGABO NGOEPE
Really I don't know whether this witness was here, whether he heard Mr Ngo's evidence or the allegations Mr Ngo levelled against him or not.  Why don't we just tell this man what the allegations are against him and then he should deal with them.  After all, this whole purpose of - in fact the specific purpose of calling implicated people is to enable them to answer these allegations.  He wasn't there when Ngo testified and why can't we just put these allegations to him and then we deal with them?