MR JAMIE
On the evidence that he did give and the contents of his statement, that is what he is saying.  The only people, because if I can just read to you what he is saying in his statement, he said in paragraphs 7 and 8
"At the stop street I heard someone calling out Pro's name.  They called him Mzwonke.  Pro wound down his window and reversed the car towards two men who were standing under the trees on the Lansdowne Road side of First Avenue, approximately 10 metres from the stop street."
Now one of the reasons, Mr Chairperson, that I requested yesterday an opportunity to perhaps conduct an inspection in loco is that the area that we are talking about where this incident occurred, is not very large.  The area between First Avenue where they were driving and Lansdowne Road, and certainly the area between the trees where these people were standing and the stop street is not very long at all, there's not a great distance and it is our submission that clearly what this statement intends saying although it's not spelled out perhaps because it is indeed implicit, is that the people who called him were his killers.  Now that was also the basis whereupon certainly we proceeded in this matter and it, with respect, is also the basis the applicant proceeded on, because the applicant never suggested it was someone else, nor did the applicant's representative in argument attempt to suggest that till, with respect, the Members of the Committee put it to him that this was a possible ...(indistinct) in the case, but at the end of the day, Mr Chairperson, perhaps if this was a civil trial and there were issues of onus and if the Jack Family in this matter bore some sort of onus, there might be perhaps some room, but as a fundamental proposition, the difficulty we've got is that it was simply never put to Andile and therefore he's never had an opportunity to deal with it.