JUDGE WILSON
Sorry, I think we should place on record that it has been agreed the whole of the application will not be proceeded with today, and not necessarily before the Committee as presently constituted.  We will merely complete now the application as regards the Venter matter.  As I understand it, his counsel would wish to question the applicant about allegations contained in the affidavits made by the police officers and perhaps question those police officers. It has been agreed that will be done at a later stage.  Is that so?