MR VAN DER MERWE
That's right.  Let me help you.  Exhibit Q2, on the 6th page, paragraph 15, the question was posed to Mr Taylor regarding the abduction, torture and killing of Ntombi Kubheka and Sibo Phewa(?), in 1986.  When we go to the affidavit of Mr Taylor, where he deals with all these matters and the questions that were put to him, and that is in his affidavit, page 19, after paragraph 38 you will notice that he does not deal with the question in paragraph 15 of Q2.  He does not answer any questions in this affidavit.  So my instructions are to put to you that when you gave evidence to say you got this information during the Section 29 hearings, it cannot be true.