FERDIE HARTZENBERG
Yes, that is correct Mr Chair.  I think that perhaps with regard to that I have to state Mr Chair, that the Conservative Party is a Democratic Party and in it's programme of principles - since 1982, there has been no single chapter or portion that dealt with violence and that stipulated a policy with regard to violence because we did not regard violence as an instrument and that is the difference between a Democratic Party, Sir and a Communist Party.
	Communist Parties may use violence and it probably has policy with regard to violence because they are kept in power by violence but not a Democratic Party and therefore nothing of that nature is stated in the policy.  And during that period end '92, beginning '93, we became aware that there was - that an attack could come against Afrikaners and for that reason we started to mobilise in order - under certain circumstances, to be able to defend ourselves.