EUGENE DE KOCK
Chairperson, by nature of my experience and with specific reference to Vlakplaas, we were the only ones who fought with real combatants as they were referred to.  We were the only ones who ever really were involved in a situation of conflict with the freedom fighters or the opponents.  My own view was that one would win, at any cost, it did not matter to which lengths one had to go.  However, there were certain lines of value which one had to draw which would mean that one would not be able to move beyond the norm, such as child abuse, or rape.  However, one had to achieve one's objective with regard to the enemy at any cost.