MR LUBBE
And in Exhibit A, paragraph 6.8, more specifically 6.8.1, .2 and .3.  On page 7 you refer to these incidents that took place in Davula.  Now I want you to turn to page 135 of the bundle which deals with these incidents.  Firstly, on page 135, Mr Hlongwane relates to the burning of two houses, the attack on two houses and the burning of that.  He simply refers to the Black Cats, and then on the next page 135, towards the seventh sentence it is indicated that yourself, Obed Hlambati, Bafana Khumalo and one, Sija, also accompanied the Black Cats.  Do you recall this incident where the two houses were attacked and burnt?