MR VISSER
Yes, Mr Chairman, I was coming to that.  I said there's only one person where it appears that the shots came from above, if you look at the figures.  There are other instances Chairperson, for example (e) where, if you look at page 17 of (e), 1, 2 and 3, move in a downward position and I'm going to attempt to make, to draw a differentiation between from the top and in a downward position, because these are not from the top but they move downward and we see this, Mr Chairman, we say this Mr Chairman also is in line with a kombi next to that vehicle, Lembede firing and Wasserman firing, so Mr Chairman, at the end of the day the question is, what do we make of all of this?  We make nothing out of this, we can't.  We know that these people were shot.  The question is, was there a helicopter and I'll come to that in a moment, Chairperson.  	Chairperson I see it's already past 1 o'clock.  Do you want to take an adjournment for lunch and to reconvene?