PIETER JOHANN VERSTER
Chairperson, I'll accept it as such.  I have been in many places.  I cannot recall it, but I would accept it as such.  I would also like to put something in the open here.  I do not have any trouble admitting that someone was monitored.  What I do not understand is that after my advocate had addressed you, what has this to do - I find it very difficult to find a connection here as to my amnesty application and what is now asked here.  My legal representative has taken up an attitude and I would like to stick to that attitude that he has put forward to you, but there will be resistance in answering any questions, because there's no point in me taking that attitude and then answering again.