MR BERGER
Yes, we're happy with that, we have no problem.  	If I can then move to sketch plan no 3 on page 184, now, this sketch plan indicates shots fired at with a high calibre rifle, probably an AK47, from Shell House, P1 - P9 in the direction of the upper floors of Jabu's Bakery, so that's in a north-westerly direction, and B1 - B6 in the direction of the upper floors of the flats over the road from Shell House between - in King George Street between De Villiers Street and Plein Street.  They're all high calibre shots, except for B3, you will see there's some doubt in the minds of the experts as to whether B3 was a handgun or a high calibre shot, and that's why it's shaded in both red and blue.  You'll see in the key that dotted red and blue line is "a geweer/handwapen", either.  Now, what's also interesting from sketch plan 3 is that there are two areas blocked off, the one is blocked off in a dark dotted line, a longer dotted line, and that is P1 - P9 in the key, it's the "vuurarea balkon", the firing area from the balcony, and the dotted lines at the bottom, the - from P1 - P9, no, it's also to P9, but smaller dots if I can put it that way, also black dots is the "vuurarea straatvlak", the firing area from the street.  And you will also see that the red lines which go into the parapet become dotted at the bottom and continue towards the street, and that is because the experts were not able to state categorically that those shots were fired from the balcony or fired from street level, what they did was, they worked out the approximate trajectory of the shot wherever they found it on the building, tracked it back, but they couldn't state categorically whether it came from the parapet or whether it came from street level.  And that's why you will see the dotted lines.
	If I could then move to sketch plan no 4 at page 185.  This brings me back to paragraph 4.2 of the memorandum, where we say that the shots which were fired in the direction of Shell House included shots fired from AK47s, handguns and at least one shotgun.  Again I assume Mr Dorfling will be in agreement with me, if I can leave out SO3, SO2, SO1, SN1 and SN2 for the purposes of the present discussion.  Well, perhaps SN1 and SN2 might not be left out, they might have some relevance because we know that the crowd was in that vicinity.  And then there was also evidence from an SA at the time, and SADF soldier who fired a shot with a R5 rifle at the marchers, and his testimony was that he fired a shot because he was shot at, and he fired the shot in vicinity - he was in De Villiers Street, he was shot as in De Villiers Street, and it's possible that those shots might link up, except he said that he was shot at with an AK47, and these shots are shots are depicted as being from a handgun.