BERNARD MAKGABO NGOEPE
I think why I'm asking you these questions, because your counsel wanted to know, as I understand him - because you see we don't want to have arguments later on.  For you later to come and say, well you meant - you didn't mean 12 o'clock, you just meant around 12 o'clock or in the middle of the night,  we want to be - to clarify that.  Whether you refer to 12 - 24 hour, 12 o'clock on the dot or whether you are saying around midnight.  I think that's what counsel wanted to know.  So, are you saying - sorry, let me not, rather let me leave it to you.