MR DORFLING
In ...(indistinct) we've been asking for such an indication ever since the first meetings.  We were requesting the Committee to approach these, or the Committee to give consideration to approaching these witnesses.  The indication we gave ever since the outset was that we need these witnesses to give evidence, to give an independent account.  As far as the further objectors are concerned, the first objector on the list of witnesses is that - is Mr Mbata, he's not my client, he's Mr Pretorius's client.  I think Mr Pretorius - I'm sorry Mr Mapanhga, I think I mentioned the wrong name, Mr Mpanga.  He's Mr Pretorius's client, but I think Mr Pretorius holds a similar position than me and I would rather like him to address the Committee on that.