FERDINAND BARNARD
Mr Chairperson, the first time I contacted Lafras Luitingh and this was in January 1989, and this I read up on, in 1989 Lafras Luitingh during a co-ordinating session asked me if I knew the name Anton Lubowski.  I said no, and I asked him if it was a Russian person.  He said no, this specific Lubowski was involved in SWAPO and in South-West Africa, more specifically.
	Mr Luitingh then asked me, because I had contacts there and we have discussed it before, contacts with the Security Branch and other contacts, and he asked me if I could collect information concerning the movements of Lubowski in South-West Africa.
	I said "yes, I had a few contacts", of people who worked with me on a certain Branch and I had contact with them from time to time, but it is not the type of people that I could use or approach for this project.
	I realised then that the CCB was really interested in Lubowski.  It was also told to me that South-West Africa was now a priority area.