MR DU PLESSIS
Mr Chairman, that's how I understood the evidence but the questioning - you will remember that the questioning was on a very hypothetical basis, it was on a line that if this would have happened, that would have happened, if this would have happened, that would have happened and I know now I wanted to object at that stage and I didn't but I should have because it was on a basis which was very misleading.  So, with respect Mr Chairman, I don't think anything turns on this.