ADV MEMANI
What I said Mr Chairman, is that in the ordinary course of things Hechter being the direct commander, rather being the person who's the team leader would have been the person they were taking instructions from and he says yes and I'm say - I'm putting that subject to the qualification that it is their version here in court and I'm saying that that version is not true.  The truth is that the commander was Flip Loots and he worked directly with - and Selahla - and he worked directly with Selahla, Ngo and Bokaba.   Do you have any difficulty with that suggestion Sir?