MR DU PLESSIS
Mr Chairman, we can look at the record. I am hundred per cent certain that the effect of his testimony was that that there was this specific office of the security branch, that the three of them used, where they went every day. That was his evidence first, and then later on he gave evidence about Bezuidenhout and the connection about Bezuidenhout.  And because I did the cross-examination, Mr Chairman, I am hundred per cent sure, because it was very important for my clients. So I am 95% sure if not hundred per cent.