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Yes.  We went and there was just not enough money.  We would get temporary jobs in town now and again.  It was difficult to get this accommodation from Joe.  I went with the one Comrade from the Transkei to Johannesburg even there we didn't find accommodation so we came back after that.
 In April 1993 I went to Joe again when I got there, there were a lot of other people that I did not know.  It was on a Saturday afternoon and when I got inside the house there were ladies in the lounge and I told them that I was looking for Joe.  Joe said that it had been a long time since he last saw me and I asked him how far he'd got with looking for accommodation.  I said that there was accommodation elsewhere that I might take.  It was about four o'clock in the afternoon and he said that I must come back at about eleven p.m. so I left.  
 After I'd walked about two hundred metres from his house I thought that it would be too late at night and where I was going to wait I wasn't sure if I'd find anyone.  I went back to his house and when I got there I told him the appointment at eleven p.m. was going to take too long.  He took out a gun.