PHILLIPUS CORNELIUS KLOPPERS
Chairperson, once again you have created a long discussion and I have to give such a more involved answer.  We gave him the ear, it had been cut off at the scene where the ANC people had been shot.  I had to hand over the ear as proof that we had in fact carried out the order.  This ear was handed over to Japie Oelofse.  He did not chase me away from the smallholding as I had said in the court.  I was lying then as I have said before and I think that I have also stated that in the statement in which I have submitted to the proceedings, I was lying.  There was an ear, it was handed over.  What Mr Oelofse did with it I don't know.