ADV DU PLESSIS
Captain Mentz, I just wish to clarify one matter.  It was asked when you were 
contacted by Captain Hechter, whether you hadn't been involved in Vlakplaas, can you explain to the 
Committee briefly the stage when you were contacted in the case of the KwaNdebele Nine for example by 
Captain Hechter, was Colonel De Kock at that stage still there, in 1988 and was Captain Hechter involved 
at that stage?