MR DU PLESSIS
The bottom line is, that's what I believed.  How I reached that conclusion I cannot recall but I realised that that was the fact and that's that.  I do not believe that it's important how I reached that decision today, there can be various factors that contributed.
	And if you think that 16 or 17 years that I can recall the exact discussion between us, then I must lie and that's not what I want to do.