DALAQOLO WORDSWORTH LUTHULI
Let me start off with M.Z. Khumalo.    Just to indicate to you that I know M.Z. Khumalo, he is the personal assistant to the IFP President, Dr M.G. Buthelezi, that was at the time.
	After scandals, his scandals, M.Z. Khumalo's scandals surfaced, scandals to the effect of the formation of (indistinct) by the Boers of the Special Branch, M.Z. Khumalo himself received instructions under the President of the IFP so that people can be trained at Caprivi.  He himself, requested me to do that, M.Z. Khumalo that is.
	Today I am just indicating to you that I know him.  Today M.Z. Khumalo is the Secretary General of the IFP, a promotion that he has received after his deeds and work with the Boers and therefore I know him very well.
	About R.M. Mkhize, I am referring to R.M. Mzimela, is that what you said?