MR VAN ZYL
Yes, and no.  I think once again Sir, we should place the thing in context.  That is so.  You see, there's a day and night difference between these two reports because the one is prejudiced one-sided report of Gavin Evans himself, the other one is from a more objective reporter, and it would be good if quote the other things I have said there, but I do not deny it.  And the fact that I met Gavin Evans and spoke to him, I can give you the assurance that I apologised insofar as I thought it necessary, but do not expect of me that the past of which I was part of and what I thought necessary at that stage, and which I still think today, that if it was not for the Forces that fought the then ANC and the UDF years ago, the situation in this country would have been totally different.  We cannot debate here today whether the war was right or wrong and who was right and who was wrong.