EUGENE ALEXANDER DE KOCK
Yes, Chairperson, but at that stage I was not there.  I do not want to distance myself from anything, but I would just like to tell you why.  I know that the bodies were loaded onto a bakkie, not a mortuary vehicle as far as I can recall, and I and one of my members went back to the offices.  I cannot recall whether we were there when the vehicle was removed.  We then went to sleep.  We arrived at the office and about an hour later we went to bed.