MR KAHANOVITZ
Alright.  Mr van Zyl says
"On an instruction from the Regional Manager, I contacted Peaches and found out from him if he could get hold of Omar's heart tablets, on which he then answered that he will try and get them.  I discussed this matter concerning the tablets with the Regional Manager, in the presence of the Co-ordinator"
and then he mentions certain other people, okay.  Mr van Zyl is very clear that this plan to use these toxic substances was discussed in your presence.