ADV BOOYENS
Chairperson, unfortunately we were never placed in possession of the official bundle, so that is why I am referring to Mr Niewoudt's application, when I refer to page numbers, I am referring to the typed page numbers at the top of his application.
	On page 4 paragraph 7, there you are referring to John McEwan, something which was conveyed to you, can you please tell us where that was?  That is page 4, paragraph 7 Chairperson.