TESTIMONY_GIVER:
  Well, they - no, they weren't privileged to that meeting, and they weren't privileged to that information, because it was done on a higher command structure.  But they know - obviously they'd been told the morning that it was a UDF area, so there was quite a lot of allegiance within the ranks of the SAP on the side of Inkatha generally speaking, from your divisional commissioner structures where I was right down through the ranks.