MR NGUBANE
Thank you Mr Chairman.  Indeed we did go to Umbumbulu area in an attempt to find out whether Mr Wasserman would be in a position to point out the spot where Mr Bhila was eliminated.  Unfortunately, we had a lot of difficulty, Mr Wasserman couldn't even remember the turn off which they took to a spot but we then enquired from various people, local people as to the places where cliffs could be found and Mr Wasserman's attitude was that maybe if he was taken to a certain cliff, he would be able to recollect that that was the proper cliff where Mr Bhila was thrown.  Mr Wasserman was cooperative, we did visit various cliffs but he was definite that those that we visited were definitely not the cliffs where Mr Bhila was eliminated and he mentions specifically the fact that where they eliminated Mr Bhila and threw him into a cliff, they didn't have to walk to the cliff, they just parked the car next to the cliff and all the cliffs that we visited, we had to take a walk of about 20 paces or so and it was his feeling that if he could be given about two weeks, maybe he could be in a position to point out the cliff.  The amount of time which we had was not enough to visit all the cliffs and probably the TRC investigators will pursue the matter and take him to whichever cliff in an attempt to see whether he can be able to identify the cliff.  With all due credit to him, we were satisfied that his attempt to identify the cliff was a genuine attempt.  Thank you.