MR MALAN
Mr Chairman if I may just come in here.  As far as I'm concerned I accept that there was conflict between the UDF, its junior or affiliated organisations.  This conflict, to my knowledge, apparently started in the Eastern Cape, it moved virtually country wide, I'm not aware of Natal but certainly in other Provinces it was there and I don't know what Mr Ameen (indistinct), but I certainly don't dispute the fact that there was and we can save a lot of time, there was conflict between those two organisations indeed.