MR RAMALIGELA
What I can recall that he said to us, after we had beaten him, but he said he didn't want to be tortured continuously, it is better for him to be taken to the place where there were, this other ammunition or gun.  Then I arranged with the mobile police, and we went to the mountain.  We found some 'doppies' of the hand grenade, while he did say that no, these things were no longer there, they could have been taken.  From there we took him back and just charge him from the charge, the court.  That was on the basis of him being found in possession of those AK47's just to help the freedom fighters.