MARIUS OELSCHIG
Mr Chairperson, the report that I submitted was for the march of the 4th August, the previous month.  The instruction that was given was given to the police to take action to get the people away.  I gave no instructions.  I did not issue a single instruction.  The police were then apparently told, get the people away.  But before the instruction could be carried out Brigadier Gqozo himself reversed that and said, wait I have spoken to Minister Botha and we will allow the people in.
 The soldiers, Chairperson, were almost in a hand to hand situation with the crowd.  They were face to face touching each other.  They were provoked, they were cursed, they were insulted and the soldiers did nothing.  
 I am giving you now the benefit of our debriefing which we held after the march of 4th August.  The soldiers did nothing.  They themselves, through their commanders, requested if something like this happens to us again, please remove us as far as you can from the crowds.  We cannot stand being in a situation like that, which is why we made the deployments we did on the 7th September, why we made an effort to remove them from the possible areas of direct contact and confrontation.