MR J VAN ZYL
Mr Chairman, I cannot remember that.  I have seen this statement from Mr van Jaarsveld in which he is not sure whether it was me that he had spoken to.  I do not recall such a person or such a meeting or driving to Cradock with him.
	It looks a bit vague to me, and if I had remembered it, I would have definitely mentioned it because it cannot change anything to my case, as far as I can remember.  I really cannot remember this incident.