MR SHANE
Mr Chairman if I may just reply.  Sir this what you say is quite correct, this is very important, the amnesty proceeding, and the spotlight is on it, but Mr Chairman I ask you to consider the following.  You are dealing here with the promotion of national, of unity and reconciliation, and I submit with the greatest respect that if the rules are going to be completely restrictively applied, and it is, I submit your suggestions are making the rules extremely restrictive, I submit that maybe this will have an adverse bearing on achieving the desired reconciliation and unity, as what, that's what this Act is all for.  I submit that it should be liberally applied, not restrictively applied.  	I submit with the greatest respect Mr Chairman that in a circumstance like this, where it is probable, and I submit that on this it's not for the applicant to show you beyond doubt that he put an application in and it got lost.  He's not going to be able to prove to you beyond any reasonable doubt.  There's always going to be doubts Mr Chairman, I don't think that is the test.  I think that if it's restrictively applied, he's going to fail in that, but I don't believe that you have to apply it restrictively.  I think the opposite applies Mr Chairman, and if, in the circumstances, you see a way that it is possible that his application form did get lost, and he can give the explanation that he can, because he can't give more than what he can.  What is here Mr Chairman, what is before you, is all that we're going to get from this applicant.  He cannot give me any more information, it was canvassed from him.  Save to tell you Sally Sealy was the person involved.  He's not going to be able to, he's not even going to be able to give you the more or less, the time that he signed his application and gave it to - Mr Chairman I submit it's not, it shouldn't be restrictively applied.
	I don't know, maybe  my learned friend Mr Steenkamp can have some comments on this, I don't know if he could assist you Mr Chairman, but I submit that you shouldn't be restrictively, shouldn't be restrictive rules in this regard.