MR COETZEE
Yes and now to criticise - Yes and also with regard to the order to shoot Omar, my respectful submission that it is very clear from the context of which the evidence was given that the instruction was:  "Go and kill Omar" and in this regard as well, if Mr Martini wants to suggest that Mr Barnard is lying to implicate Mr or to discredit Mr van Zyl, certainly if that was the intention, he could have said:  "I got the order in threefold, signed by the General", if he wanted to lie to discredit Mr van Zyl, certainly he would not have then carefully avoided saying:  "I got an instruction from Mr Omar".