PIETER JAKOBUS GOUWS
Chairman, I can perhaps help out - if I can be of any assistance in this because I feel as President of the Free State Agricultural Union - it doesn't matter if they are Black or White, if they apply for amnesty the full facts should be on the table.  If I must be or can be of assistance, and you feel the need should arise for that, I will try, or I will make myself available to help because the Free state for me and to find finally peace and to bury the past and to get rid of those that we can carry on with our lives, I think it is very, very important.  But may I add at the same time with your discretion allowed, I am very disturbed Chairman, that the Agricultural Union should be here today and not senior police people and senior political people, because they can testify about what I am talking about, what I have been talking about here today perhaps much more intimate detail.  We in the farming community at present regard the policemen sitting in jail being dealt with already through the judicial system etc. as the poor little foot soldiers down at the bottom of the barrel and they pay a price for a much larger and a much bigger barrel where they had been tiny little pawns basically in a total game and that is the view I would say most of the farming community holds.