JOHANNES LODEWIKUS GRIEBENAUW
Yes, that is correct.  And I explained how the instruction was conveyed.  Firstly, the chairperson, that was General Joubert, put it to me that it was an instruction from the Commissioner and the Commissioner I then said had to give it personally to me, and he said that there was a representative of the Commissioner and that is Brigadier Schoon, and Brigadier Schoon confirmed that the Commissioner had in fact given such an instruction.