MR MADASA
...that they operated under the umbrella of the ANC Youth League, and again, if I may go back to this submission, which I really had assumed that these factors were known, it is dealt with in their submission that, if I may quote
"The deliberate subversion of SDU's by the De Klerk regime in order to ensure that people could not mount sustained resistance to State sponsored violence, and to discredit the ANC in the eyes of the grass roots supporters and the international community is illustrated in the case of the notorious Polla Park SDU."
	Now genuine community defence groups and violent gangs presenting themselves as ANC aligned SDU's, and I'm saying the ANC Youth League fall under this category, that there were infiltrations and certain organisations would present themselves as operating as ANC defence units, and I'm saying, Mr Chair, that there was this possibility.   I'm not saying there's hard evidence before this committee that these boys were infiltrated, but I'm saying it's a probability that they were infiltrated, and in the absence of hearings from the police who were operating in the East Rand before the TRC to tell us, I submit that at the time be known to some of them, were infiltrated...
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