CHRISTOFFEL PIERRE VAN DER WESTHUIZEN
If I can remember correctly, it was a meeting in East London and the Joint Management Board members of Transkei, Ciskei - it was the first time that they got together, I was Chairperson.  Perhaps I can just say that we always met separately once a month.  It was only myself with Ciskei and then myself with the Transkei.  So this was a meeting where the three parties came together and the problems that arose were discussed, and trying to solve the problems, trying to say that it would be done in a peaceful way.