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Now, and they took it. And they saw some sympathy cards from people who were very 
sympathetic and sent the stuff from all over the world, and this one policeman whose 
name was Kroeter, he came across those and he was making fun of them saying, "Dit is 
die kaarte van die doeie man", and they were kind of making a joke out of it, out of the 
death.
 After that, this man Kroeter was like harassing my mother, he was screaming and 
yelling at her, asking whose belongings are these, why does she say everything belongs 
to my father?  And my mother said, because the stuff does belong to him, and he doesn't 
necessary do what he does with her, because he was like barking, like talking to a dog. My 
mother said, "I'm a human being, so are you, so you don't need to speak the way you do."
 This man said, "The truth will come out one day", and that was very ironic 
because here we are today in the Truth Commission talking about this truth.  And I mean I 
never expected him to say that because the truth that is coming out is based on him now, 
not us, we're the victims. He's the one that committed all this pain to us, you know.  And 
after that my mother said, "I agree with you very much, I strongly agree with you, the 
truth is definitely coming out one day". And this man sat down, and for once ever since he 
entered the door, he sat down and he asked my mother if he could smoke.  My mother 
said, "Okay fine, he could smoke".  He lit a cigarette and he sat down and smoked.  He 
looked quite withdrawn after that. And they had arrived at our around about 12 midnight, 
and now it was around about six in the morning.