BRIAN QUNA MKHIZE
As I have already explained that I had already been granted authority to formulate the structure that I was going to use, Mbambo came to eSikhawini after having completed his training in 1991 in December.
	I was not seeing him for the first time when he arrived at eSikhawini, I had known him before.  I used to see him in the company of Siphiwe Mbuyasi.  They were very close friends.
	Siphiwe is well known in Durban as a well known person, a member of Inkatha and he was known to be strongly against the ANC.  Those are things that were even publicised.
	There was also rumour to the effect that he is very close to the Inkatha President.  On seeing him being pushed to eSikhawini I then noticed that he is the same person who is always in the company of Siphiwe.  I thought that there might be certain political things that he is aware of because at the time we used to call him our oxen, so to speak.
	I trusted that if I approached him, I would be able to use him.  He was physically fit and he used to exercise quite a lot, and he was not drinking any alcohol.  He did not often associate with women and that made me conclude that I could use him in the operations.
	I started one step at a time, asking him when last he saw Siphiwe and he would respond, not knowing what my intention was.  I would ask him how Siphiwe was doing in Durban and he finally indicated without realising that he is indeed a staunch Inkatha member.
	One day I told him that I would visit him at J2 where he was residing, and that on its own made me realise that he was indeed a strong member of Inkatha, because Mbambo used to reside freely in that area because the very same boys that I was talking about, were very strong in the area.
	Mbambo indeed agreed that I should come and speak to Siphiwe, speak to him.  I went to see him and I indicated to him that it is important that we discussed these things.  He indicated to me that he knew that there were Israels, he would refer to the Caprivians as Israels.
	He knew that there were Israels, but his problem is that he didn't know who they were, he cannot identify them.  But he has knowledge about their existence and I indicated to him and I am one of the Israels.
	I told him this is how I want us to work.  Even though he started doubting and hesitantly and he wanted to ensure that what I intended doing, had the blessing of authorities.  I told him that if I were to disclose authorities to you, you should know that there is no retreat, because if you were to retreat, that will be the end of you.
	You should involve yourself knowing exactly what is going to happen and one day we arranged, I spoke, telephoned Captain Langeni, indicating to him that I have already roped in someone whom I wanted, he should meet.
	Working with Mbambo would not be the same as working with Mdwane.  Mbambo was a well trained, professional Policeman and he was quite mature.  He wanted to know about his future in this whole thing, it would not be the same as working with these other people whom I thought I would work with.
	Therefore it became necessary that I arrange with Captain Langeni to bring Mbambo along, and Captain Langeni agreed and that we did with Mbambo.  Mr Luthuli and M.Z. Khumalo were present when I introduced Mbambo.  Prince Gideon Zulu himself was present.
	I told them that Mbambo is very close to the other one.