EUGENE DE KOCK
Chairperson, I spoke to Duli alone.  The only person who was present, was his coloured bodyguard.  I couldn't tell him to leave because Colonel Duli felt safer with him around.  If anybody had been present, anybody other than the bodyguard, it would have been Sergeant Chait.  Vuli Mbotoli was also present, he introduced me to Duli and after that, they requested among others that Chait and Mbotoli leave the room so that Duli and I could speak to each other in privacy, so the only other person that was present, was his bodyguard.  I found it strange when Colonel Duli did not mention that he required radio contact equipment.  No operation, in my opinion, would be of any value if one didn't have radio communication, that would be a basic principle in the execution of any operation, and that is the only suggestion which I made to him and that is why he said if you can obtain this for me, that would be fine.