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Yes sir.   When we got there Joe asked where Mohabi Dibali was and this girl said he wasn't there.   Joe suspected that he was there and he said that we should go into the house and we then went into the house looking for Mohabi Dibali inside this house.   When we entered one room, Joe said here he is hiding behind the wardrobe.   We found him and took him and Joe then said we want our money from him, he sort of made as if we were there to get some money from Mohabi, pretending as if he owed us money.   We took him and put him into the back seat and I cannot remember whether Joe got into the back seat with him or whether it was me.   As we pulled away in the car this girl came running out and I could see that she was going to other people not too far from the house.   We then left and we went to Roodepoort near the mines where we told we would meet Captain Coetzee and Vermeulen.   We then met them there and there was also a Captain Grobbelaar from Protea Security Branch.   From there we followed them until we got to Zeerust where we went to a house near a dam which was not occupied, together with Mohabi Dibali.   Before we went there, we had taken him out of the car so that Captain Coetzee and Grobbelaar could see the person whom we had just abducted by taking him out of the back seat of the car where we had put him.   They then advised us, instructed us to close up his face and also tie his hands behind his back and put him back into the back seat.   We then went, proceeded until we reached this house where he was questioned
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MR DE WET-MARAIS	78	NOFOMELA
intensively about his sister who was in Botswana.   Although I was not part of the team which was interrogating him, Joe was there because he knew his sister and he knew him as well and he could argue with him when he was saying something that Joe knew, which was in dispute with what Joe knew and Grobbelaar was also there and Vermeulen, as well as Jan Coetzee.   There was a time where he was assaulted and then taken outside and when he got outside, Captain Vermeulen would bring him so that we could also assault him and we'd assault him and hit him with fists and kicked him.   There was a stage where he lost consciousness and he was lying on the ground.   This happened the afternoon where we had abducted him and that evening, that night he was interrogated and he would answer questions in several ways and he was assaulted to such an extent that he was swollen.  The people that were assaulting him the most were myself, Joe Mamasela and Vermeulen.   Grobbelaar and Coetzee did not do anything.  The people who assaulted him the most were myself, Joe Mamasela and Vermeulen, we would kick him and hit him with fists and so on.