CHAIRPERSON
Well let's try again we'll see.  Alright sorry, carry on.
MR NOMBANGA
"When those young boys were arrested they were arrested by the army unit and the police unit, Security Police, and that was a joint operation and we did it here into Botasxau.  It was late in the evening.  That is when they were arrested and they told us about their intentions.  They were going to meet Mr Xholisi Mtjali, Wana Sabelo.  We went there to arrest them on that particular night.
	After those people's details were taken they were sent to the Attorney-General, Mr Nel.  I got a report from Col Booi that Mr Nel was saying that there was not enough evidence to prosecute, therefore those people had to be released because there was not enough evidence to take them to court.  But when he discussed this matter with the military council, it was decided that they should remain in prison up until such time that Mr Vulindela Mbotoli is arrested.  Mr Mbotoli, it was very difficult to get hold of him, no-one knew his whereabouts.
	They remained in prison, no-one asked them anything.  They were not taken to court they were just in there.  We had to devise some means to try and get hold of Mr Mbotoli in order to solve this problem because it looked like everything depended on his arrest.  That is when he gave me a mandate to go and try and work with Mtjali who would be able to contact Mr Mbotoli, because we had to get Mr Mbotoli to arrest him to come and answer to the allegations so that other people can be released or be taken to court.
	That is when we left with Mr Mtjali and he made arrangements for us to meet with Mr Mbotoli in our very first meeting where I was going to hear more about this matter and their plans.  I had to go there and work under the police guard.  We had to lure to come to Transkei, so that he could be arrested.
	The meeting that took place was held at Port Shepstone, that is where I managed to see Mr Mbotoli.  We were there with the members of the National Transkei Intelligence Service.  
	We took all those details, everything that was discussed there I reported to Col Booi and I told him that I met with Mr Mbotoli and I told him everything that happened there.  And even the members of the Transkei Intelligence Service explained in their offices."