TESTIMONY_GIVER:
  She asked me why I decided to join in politics.  I explained to her why.   Firstly, I used to admire things that we couldn't get.   When you grow up, you realise things that things that are happening to other people and not happening to yourself and then you try to do something about it.  And some times we used to visit other places and they couldn't allow us to enter those places because we were black.  So, I wanted to know more why we were not allowed to have other things.   Even in shops, if you get there, if you hold the toys, then they tell you not to touch anything, but a white child can touch everything.  I used to ask my mother what's going on and my mother used to tell me, no, it is nothing.   And one day I came across one lady, she was an ANC member, she is late now.  I asked her why are these things happening.   So she explained to me, that's where I got an interest in joining UDF.