MR DORFLING
Okay I am going to try and make it clear one more time Mr Llale. I am referring to the time from when you saw the marchers after Mr Molefe drew you attention to it until such time as the shooting ceased. Until such time as the firing stopped. In other words the whole duration of the main incident starting from where the marchers starting approaching the intersection when you first saw them until such time as the main shooting had been over. Do you understand that? That is the time span I want to concentrate on.