MR VAN ZYL
I cannot say that it was Peaches' idea.  Chairperson, this happened a long time ago.  There was a discussion between and Peaches, following on the fact that Minister Omar was at home because of a heart attack and it is quite possible that I may have asked him "Do you have access to the premises of Minister Omar and can you obtain some of his heart pills?"  It's possible that he told me this, I can really not recall.  The fact of the matter remains that I saw the possibility that we could exchange his heart tablets and I discussed it with Staal Burger and the fact of the matter is that later tablets were handed over to me, which I gave to Peaches, but the finer detail, with all respect, I cannot recall.