MS PATEL
Okay.  Alright, you've also been convicted of the attempted murder of Mr Cobus.  Do you by the conduct - sorry, let me rephrase that, that was not the intention when you went there, your cousin, Mr Rhandile Bhayi, has stated that the only reason that your group reacted in the manner that they did at Mr Cobus' house was in fact because he was shooting on them, shooting on your group and that you were all acting in self-defence.  Is that your position as well?