MR VISSER
I will tell you why, because in another incident which had, which was dealt with in November last year, here in Durban, before his Lordship, Justice Wilson, that is the matter if Sipho Stanley Bhila, sorry Mr Chairman, I didn't notice that you were talking to somebody, S-i-p-h-o Stanley Bhila, the evidence was by Mr McCarter that a team from Vlakplaas had come down to Durban on the 10th of February and stayed until the 27th of February, 17 odd days?  Would you know about that, can you recall it today?