VERNON VOSLOO
It is what I said earlier on.  But at the same time, I want to refer you to something else I said namely that with the changes during those times, and with the emotions of people which was fired up more and more, this was something which started small, but which grew and grew.  The evening of the act, I gained Dutch courage - some additional courage - through the use of the alcohol.  At a later stage, if feelings would have grown hotter, if the scenario of the future appeared even worse than it had at that time, then I might have acted in this way without the use of alcohol.  This is a possibility at this time, I can't say what I would have done at a later stage, this is merely something which might have happened.