MR LAX
Mr Gwamanda, sorry to interrupt you.  The reason why Mr Nel's putting this to you is pretty clear.  You said you were on good terms with Lieutenant Venter, he's saying to you you weren't on good terms with the man because he convicted you.  That's really why he's putting it to you.  We can beat around the bush for hours about this but do you deny that form, is that what your evidence is?  Do you say that didn't happen?