CHAIRPERSON
Well, we have had numerous other people who filled in the indemnity form and thought it was an amnesty form, but he also goes on in his affidavit, in paragraph 8, to say that it got lost or misplaced either by Lekotze or a person in the employ of the TRC.  Well surely we should at least have had an affidavit from Lekotze saying, "I lodged the form with the TRC".  He, the applicant now says Lekotze may have lost it.