MR BLACK
And at a later stage, according to Mr Van Zyl, you were travelling in the direction of Botswana and during the course of the conversation with him, you came to the Eendvogelpan and during the course of the conversation with him, you told Van Zyl that Matthews had told you that this is where - this is the stage at which the occupants of the Kombi all cocked their AK-47s. Could you have mentioned that to him?