MS THABETHE
I would like to read from the judgment, on page 118 at of the bundle, and Mr Cele, I would like you to listen.  It's on line 13(?), page 118.  It says
"On the evidence of Ngcobo, Beauty and Tandi, the group got hold of the deceased (the deceased in this case is Amos Cele) and marched him along a path which when past Madlala's kraal."
I'll go down until the second-last sentence.  It says:
"From there the group disappeared into a bush and it was in that bush that the deceased was killed."
Just before line 10, I proceed:
"It appears that the deceased was stabbed and shot once with a home-made firearm.  He was also set alight by means of the by now well-known necklace method.  A tyre was namely put over and tied onto him.  Petrol was poured over it and it was set alight. It is not clear however, whether the necklacing occurred before or after he was killed.  The post-mortem examination could not throw any light on this question, in fact the body of the deceased was so badly burnt that Dr Govender was unable to determine the cause of death.  He even found it impossible to say whether or not the deceased had been stabbed or shot."
What is your response to that?