MS PATEL
Okay, can I ask you, given that you knew what the specific policy of the organisation was in terms of the specific operations and also the manner in which the first operation had panned out given that Mr Hansel was seriously assaulted and that wasn't part of the mandate given the drawn out attack on the old Mr Cobus which was also not part of the mandate.  Why did you still carry on with this group, why did you still proceed to the second and the third attacks?