CHAIRPERSON
I think, you see we know that, or we suspect that the Tutu - call it that - the Tutu operation was an operation carried out by Region 6.  We suspect that from the fact that certain applicants have applied and they say that they did it in their capacity as members of CCB.  It's not unfair to ask whether it was approved at the higher level, or whether it was just regional level.  What's being asked is was any proposal relating to the operation brought up to his level or higher level, doesn't he know?  I think I'll allow the question.