CHAIRPERSON
Mr Bizos.
MR P DU PLESSIS(?): Mr Chairman, perhaps just to stop the speculation we should refer to the statement by Mr Pieter Steenkamp in the same bundle, wherein I can find no traces that - he certainly did not state that he found nails etcetera.  What he did find he calls "vermoedelik" part of the limpet mine.  He doesn't say that he found any nails on the scene.