SISI KHAMPEPE
Mr Zuma - I'm sorry Mr Mpshe- I'm a little perturbed by the evidence.  I keep on listening from Mr Gumbi and now from yourself that you - the IFP leadership did not know anything about the attacks which were happening in Richmond.  We've already heard evidence from Mr Gumbi and you have now also testified thereto that there were repeated incidents of attack in Richmond.