CHINOANE SIMON FARISANI
Yes.  Apart from electric and physical torture, coming to my own case, and I don't want to speak for others but I must mentioned I saw Caviar on, I think it was 8 February who was put in my cell.  He was this swollen and that was after he saw me at hospital and tried to follow the police van.  Until contrary information, I'll take it it is not true that he was not arrested in connection with the Sibasa police station.  Now, let me come back.  In my case, amongst other things they used at Sibasa torture centre, they would knee me in the groin.  Ramaligela, Managa and others, they would knee me in the groin.  They would bring a team of young boys, I think they were Security Police trainees who would come and laugh and mock you.  I'm surprised they forget that expert team.  Now the other thing they used are handcuffs.  You see, I was handcuffed to the back and the handcuffs cut into the flesh, the marks are still visible on my wrists.  Now, what's also interesting, and that's why I question their political motives sometimes, Gabriel Ramushwana told you that he doesn't know why I was detained.  And what he told you is true.  On 7 January 1982, he came to my cell in the company of two youngsters, he sent them out and he said to me 'We know that you innocent in this whole matter.  All our good pastors are going to die but look, just write what we want because otherwise you will die.'  So partly, the story he told you is true.  And also Ramushwana did play a role in the writing of statements, in my first statement, when he came with it for me to sign, I found new paragraphs which I never wrote.  Among the paragraphs was the one that said 'Chipiwa Mohape participated in the bombing of the police station.'  In spite of all the pains I'd gone through, in spite of all the false confessions I was forced to make, I was not prepared to be accessory to the lie that would justify Isaac Chipiwa Mohape's death.  And I resisted.  Mr Ramushwana left and came back and said 'Sorry, it was a typing error.'  Typing error that brings a new paragraph all together into the statement.  There were more paragraphs to which I objected and he told me 'This is enough, we can't remove anything any further.  Otherwise it will create problems.'