TOM MADLALA
About granting amnesty, I am not, I want to explain about what I heard from him.  ANC is a very organised organisation.  The ANC  President, the current President was the one who had been to the ANC, to the TRC, for submissions, submissions that were covering each and every activity of the ANC.
	If the TRC is considering Mr Sithole's application, they would use those that were covered in the submission.  I would also like to request the TRC to take a note, this is not for the first time for me to come here to the TRC, long before the establishment of this TRC, Lucky Sithole had mentioned something like instructions.  I remember at some stage he was very, very angry, he staged a walkout.  It is not for the first time that he speaks here about the instructions that were given to him by the ANC, he started talking about that as early as 1995.
	I would further request that the TRC when considering his application, should take note of those issues.  As a person who was a former Chairperson of the ANC in prison, all these applications were in my hands, all the members of the ANC who were in prison in KwaZulu Natal, were in my hand.  I started working with them while I was in prison.  When I was released in this year in March, the ANC gave me a portfolio of going ahead with these applications, up until the last date of the TRC.
	I am so used to communicating with the TRC office in Cape Town.  There are problems that sometimes I would be told that a person did not get amnesty, but the same person would be called again, because of some problems.  I am not sure whether there is a communication breakdown or not.  The example of Dannyboy, I received a letter that Dannyboy, his application was turned down, but yesterday he was here to appear before the TRC.  I think that I know more about Sithole and the others' applications.  I am not hearing about them for the first time here.