CHAIRPERSON
Okay, let's look at this factually.  I would like the families to hear what I am going to ask.   If one reads the Act properly, it talks about a bona fide belief, that is why I asked you the question just now, what is important - what he now believes or what he believed then?  The importance of that question is, assuming what you put to them, to the witness, correct factually, that they were not APLA members at the time, but they were students, two things.  You've got that concession from the witness already, so if that witness is going to come and say "I was a student and only two people ..." or whatever he is going to say about the number of people that came to the van, is that going to change anything substantially?  Let's examine it, I mean I haven't got an answer yet.