MR KOPEDI
If I may, Honourable Chairperson, I'm going to ask for a postponement of this matter sine die.  The reasons are that all the applicants are not here as we speak and also the victim, there is one victim in this matter, the victim is not here and basically we did not have any application forms from the TRC other than one until Monday.  Now there hasn't been any proper consultation done with the applicants.  However, there has been certain developments.  The developments are that we first need to verify whether these people belonged to any ANC branch.  Our initial investigations have not been able to prove that and my perusal of the documents that are before you shows me that we might also have a problem in establishing certain facts which we need for this amnesty and it is on - well perhaps finally I should mention for the record's sake that on Monday it was indicated to me by the applicants that the location of this hearing puts them out of hand in that they have to travel to Johannesburg when this could have been brought to Boipatong or Vanderbijlpark because this is where other applications have been heard.  It is on those grounds that I will ask that this matter be postponed sine die, pending further representations of course from us and the applicants.