MR CLAASSEN
Thank you Mr Chair, I have to agree one would be naive to say that, if I may start with Mr Magwaza and Sithole, that their initial applications had been thought up or was taken and without them ever being aware of what the other was saying.  Mr Chair you know I think what Mr Lax said in conclusion is, obviously the question remains, is if they had initially not taken the Committee into their trust and disclosed what had actually happened, why should they be believed today.  Mr Chair, it is true, that those are sworn affidavits so it is supposed to be the truth, it is supposed to be done under oath.  Mr Chair and it is difficult to offer an explanation as to why ...(intervention)