MR VISSER
You see, Mr Motsamai, what Commissioner de Jager has put to you is really the point, is it not.  If you are to be believed in that you came back from bombing City Mzuzwana's house and you told Ngo we bombed Jani Mohapi's house, the question must be why did you lie to him and is it not then true, on the probabilities, that you wanted to cause trouble, further trouble between the Mohapi's and Ngo, if you told him that.