DR RANDERA
Chairperson, as people are leaving and I hope they will listen to this as well.  I don't think we must leave the point of people who are mentioned as the alleged perpetrators, because you have said that reconciliation can only come with truth.
 Now three names have been mentioned.  One person by the name of Scarface. Mr Joe Mamamsela's name comes up over and over again.  He has said that he will not come to the Truth Commission, for several reasons.  At the same time we read in the newspapers that he has written a book in which he talks about these things that he was involved in, and that he is going to use the money that comes from the book to help the victims. 
 My question to him is:  why does he not come and speak 
to the families himself?  As they speak about the pain that they have been through.
 That applies to the gentleman referred to as Mr Ephraim as well.  The fact that he has now become a man of the cloth does not absolve him from what he was involved in.  He too needs to come forward, to talk about what he was involved in.  So that we can actually get to the truth.  Thank you.