CHAIRPERSON
The victims at least, not the applicant.  ... that can be relied on and there's some sort of onus, although it's not mentioned in the Act, merely because the applicant's an applicant he's got to put up stuff to convince the Committee that he's entitled to the application, therefore there's a form of an onus on him.  But the evidence is just unacceptable in respect of both those applicants and ...