TESTIMONY_GIVER:
  I'm not sure.  It could be about three years.  Could I also say something?  In fact, my boy who was 5 years old then, because when my wife was shot, he was with her.  When they shot he was running.  He was running and said, "Mama, Mama", and they were busy shooting at her.  This thing, over and above all of us, affected him.  It's still in his mind a lot, because he was a child then.  He had not even started schooling.  When he started schooling at Eshowe, where all the others were studying, he stayed for about a year and the sister said they couldn't keep him because he relieves himself on himself like, so they can't stay with him, because he used to relieve himself - pass faeces on himself, and I took him out of there.  I took him to a private school at Hillcrest.  Even there stayed.  Within a year the principal said, "Uh uh, there's something wrong with your child.  He continues to pass faeces on himself and the main problem he used to hide these things.  He used to hide these faeces.  It will start smelling all over", and they could not stay with this kind of a situation.  I took him to a paediatrician, Dr Jolobe.  He looked at him.  He said there's nothing physically wrong with him, but he'll give him something so that just to hold back, that he