TESTIMONY_GIVER:
  That is what I am coming to, because that's where the whole thing started.  It started when this person died in 1981, and after the death there was a lot of clashes, fights, as well as a lot of confusion in the residential area, because the person who was killed was killed by certain people who were not known.  Then in 1985 there was another fight that broke out.  I don't know how this fight started, but at the end of the day there was a certain bottle store, as well as a bar, which was burnt down and converted into a police station.  And police were staying there, and when the police started there it's then that people started dying.  The first one who died was a certain man from the Mthembu family, who was killed and was run down by a police van.  And at that time the person who was in charge was Commander Visagie.  After this little boy had been run over by the van we started asking ourselves as to what was happening in the community.  Within a week thereafter Phumu from Road Seven, KwaZamisa died.  Within a short while thereafter at Road One a Madonsela boy also died.  And now this became a usual occurrence that young men died in that area.  All of them were quite young.