MR KAHANOVITZ
Except it goes, well  maybe we can canvass this issue with Mr Botha when he gives his evidence.  He deals with it in his statement.  But if I understand, your evidence is that if you'd known that Aitchison knew who he was really working for at the time that you'd recruited him, because he'd spoken to Mr Barnard and Mr Burger, you wouldn't have used him.