MR KAHANOVITZ
You see, on Mr van Zyl's version, he makes one phone call to I cannot remember if it was his brother or his brother-in-law, he says "I am looking for someone with a criminal background, give me a name", he goes and meets that person and within the process of a week, he's got his first unaware member?  Are you telling us that in Maree's case, after months and months and months, he cannot manage to recruit one unaware member in Natal?