MR NDIMA
Yes.  So when the people at Black Sash phoned, Barns would say no, I am going on.  They would say ask him to come and then he would have to wait for a train and the train has its own time table, he will take a train to Claremont, wait for a bus and the bus has its own time table and then when this man puts down the phone, he calls the workers, his workers, that they must (indistinct) and how much to demolish those shacks and when he comes, he find the house being demolished.