MR VISSER
Mr Chairman, we have had his evidence, Mr Motsamai, he never gave evidence that he assaulted Mr Molefe, for which he is applying for amnesty.  It is not before you.  Look at page 712 if you will, with respect, Mr Chairman, the second paragraph line three.  May I read it to you?
"We took him ...",
and that is why there was not cross-examination about this.   "We took him, it was in the morning, he was assaulted and he was screaming.  When I opened the door he was wrapped in a blanket.  I did not want to see who were responsible for the assault, because he was quiet and he wrapped with a blanket and lying on the floor.  He would explain very well that who were responsible for his assault."
It is implicit in that, that Motsamai says I did not assault him, I did not even want to see who assaulted him.  Now that is there.  That is the last words spoken about this issue, there is nothing about any assault on him by Motsamai according to his evidence at the Fountain Building of the police in Bloemfontein, Mr Chairman, with respect.  It does not really have to do anything with Shaw, but the fact is that is just the basis for my locus standi to object.  And as my learned attorney points out, Mr Chair, Mr Stander, in his cross-examination, did not put any questions about this to Mr Motsamai and that you will find at page 779 over the page to 780.  In fact it takes the matter no further at all, but Mr Chairman, if you are going to allow this evidence it will, in my respectful submission to you, and I do not want to waste time, be tantamount to extending yet again the application of Mr Motsamai in regard to yet another incident for which he has not applied in the beginning.