MR VAN SCHALKWYK
I'm indebted for the time granted, Mr Hugo has no objection to us consulting with his clients, it's just the logistics of the matter.  Clients are obviously in Pretoria and may I perhaps ask the Commission's indulgence, I do not say that we should interrupt at all, but we'll arrange with Mr Hugo when to consult with these people and I will liaise with Mr Prior as to whether or not we would want to call any of these witnesses at all, but we won't interrupt proceedings at all.  Thank you.