MR HATTINGH
Well, perhaps I think it goes further than just the present document.  Mr Black's already indicated that this document should not be placed before this Committee and he's going to object to that.  We are now dealing with the documentation and in particular with this second statement.  I am going to use it.  He is going to object to it and we might as well at this stage already deal with it.  But it goes further than that.