TESTIMONY_GIVER:
  No, I never got to identify them or know them, because even this man - well, because of the way the police were so clever they did not even touch my case.  But it's quite clear that he has something to do with this.  Definitely he has something to do with this, because it was a person who will have altercations at times with, because I remember this time I was a chairman at Stanger, and he came so stubbornly and critical as well, never wanting to be supportive.  So I think strongly that he has something to do with this.