MR VAN ZYL
I hear what you say, but I think that attests to my credibility.  I could have sat here today and said I never broke any rules, but I told you on two occasions I did things thing that I was not supposed to do.  Do not penalise me for things that I did not do and then - if I broke two rules, then I did not break any more rules, otherwise I would have told you about this.  I can tell you with conviction that on the day of the meeting that it was our rules - I don't think Staal would have allowed it and I do not think that the Co-ordinator would have allowed that Chappie and Kalla sat in on a meeting where we discussed the tablets of Omar, where it had nothing to do with them.  It based on those rules that I am saying that I can say with certainty that Chap and Kalla were not part of the discussion, but I do know that the other two persons were part of that discussion because I dealt with them at a later stage.
	When I received the tablets I handed the tablets over to a person from the Medical Regiment.  I received the powder from Nick at the airport, that is why I know that they were involved, but Kalla and Chap were not involved.  That is why I can say that with conviction, but I cannot tell you exactly what the hotel room look like at that stage and when I and Staal and the Co-ordinator and the other two persons talked, where Kalla and Chap were.  I cannot recall.  With all respect, Chairperson, I cannot recall.  It's not important for me to know where they were.