MR MARTINI
Be that as it may, Chairperson, let's get on to the next point.  Barnard's evidence.  Chairperson, I dealt with that extensively.  Just one issue, Chairperson you raised yesterday and you recall the point about the issue of the gun in the ceiling, which I debated that whole issue, the improbability.  Chairperson, what's also significant, I forgot to refer yesterday, if you have reference to Barnard's evidence and in particular, I think it was under cross-examination, what is significant on the third occasion when he says he went down to Cape Town and he was meant to shoot on that occasion, he says he stayed in the Woodstock Inn, not the Inn on the Square.  Now his previous evidence was at both occasions he stayed at the Inn on the Square and he left the Makarov in the ceiling and he uses the words, and I submit the reason why he uses the word in cross-examination, he says every time he goes back to Cape Town, he says:  "Amazingly", now why does he use that word?  Because it's a fabrication.  It's really amazing that one would find the Makarov in the ceiling after months.  He himself uses that word.  Page 2677, Chairperson:  "... once again obtained the vehicle and the firearm which amazingly had remained in the same place".  Why does he himself use such a word and if I can find the reference of the hotel he stayed in - Mr Chairman, please bear with me, I had found it.  Chairperson it is there, I'm not sure if it was under cross, or ...