MR JANSEN
No, with respect, Mr Chairman, that's a factually incorrect statement.  As far as I have it there was criticism by Mr Coetzee against the fact that his application was sent back, the original one, but there was not - there was not a demand from Mr Coetzee that it be on the roll at this stage.  In fact that - as far as I am aware the request was from the TRC's point that it come on the roll as quick as possible.  If I could just straighten that.
MR MSHE(?: ):   I don't think you are entirely correct, Mr Jansen.  Mr Coetzee mentioned through the media that he had submitted his application a long time ago, and he had not as yet heard from the Amnesty Committee.