MR MBANDAZAYO
Thank you.  Now, let's come to this question of your involvement.  Would somebody be incorrect if he says that your involvement in kidnapping of Vulindela Mbotoli was in line with what was happening then with the moves that Ciskei would be, moves to amalgamate Ciskei and Transkei and your involvement was because you had that hope that after that amalgamation, then you would be able to pursue those business interests you had in Ciskei?