ADV GCABASHE
This paragraph, page 77 to 78, is referring to Devon, because you did not talk about Pretoria at all, or have I got something wrong here?  Which is what I think part of what Mr Van Schalkwyk is dealing with, this Army camp, you were talking to the police and the Court in relation to this particular paragraph, but you talk about the same blacks at an Army camp who would have been drunk.
	I am not too sure as to where this camp was supposed to be.  You are telling us it was Pretoria, you said to the Court and the police you were referring to Devon.  Just help me with that, maybe I have just misunderstood something.