MR SHANE
Madam, the crucial, the time factor is this, when he says he was acting in self defence, he also says he was, he had aggression, he had the intention to shoot the police to get their weapons.  There are these two contradictory versions, but I submit that maybe the contradictions can be dealt with if you look at the time factor, at the time he was acting in self defence and also at the time, he had this aggression.
	Now if for instance, obviously not at the same time, he could have in that action, that action could have taken minutes, it could have taken maybe five minutes, we don't know, but let's assume this action that he was involved in, took five minutes for argument sake.  Maybe at the beginning when he acted, he acted with the aggression and when there was no threat on him, and it wasn't self defence, and later in that action, he acted in self defence, because he says he acted in self defence.
	I am saying that by him saying that he acted in self defence, he is saying he did both.  He acted in self defence and with aggression.  They are contradictory if they happened at the same time, but if they didn't happen at the same time, then they are not necessarily contradictory, with respect.