CHAIRPERSON
There is a suggestion that we could hear Captain de Lange, is there any objection?  No objection I guess.  Then we can listen to him.
	Mr Mamasela, you can stand down for a while. Please don't go away because we are not going to be very long with Captain de Lange but we don't foresee that we will come back to you before 2 o'clock so if you could be here at 2 o'clock.
WITNESS EXCUSED