JACOBUS JOHANNES DE RU
Let me just correct that.  I told Swanepoel what the information was, the fact that they shot someone and that's when Swanepoel said it, but the confirmed case, that of the two policemen, was only confirmed to me on the 6th.  They were shot on the 3rd April and it was confirmed to me on the 6th and on the 7th we acted against them.