CHAIRPERSON
(Indistinct) Mr Van Rensburg, are we correct in honing in geographically and individually on the principle of attacking witchcraft?  Is the import of this affidavit and its evidence not that look Venda as a whole, we were of the view that it should be reincorporated into South Africa under the Pretoria government.  In general all these government officials, traditional leaders and institutions and mechanisms which Pretoria had used to manipulate power (indistinct) assisted by ritual murders, and witchcraft, etcetera.  And in general we are going to deal with the witchcraft situation for that purpose...(intervention)