ADV STEENKAMP
And I would like to refer you to a statement which appears on page 70, Mr Chairman, it's a statement by Mr Patrick Ire. As well as to a statement of Mr John Mfani which appears on page 74. Now basically, I will just refer you to both these statements, paragraph 3. It's in Afrikaans. The summary of that, those statements, those specific paragraphs are that are whoever killed the deceased was doing so while the deceased was lying on the ground and this person was all over him with the knife and stabbing him. Is this what happened at the incident? Was the applicant busy killing or stabbing the deceased while he was lying on the ground? Is that true?