THULASIZWE RAPHAEL DLAMINI
During this war between the ANC and the IFP, Pat Mbakazi together with someone called Xude, I am not sure whether this was his real name or a nickname, they came to me.  We usually worked together, assisting each other in the protection of communities around Ixopo when such people were attacked by the IFP.
	Pat arrived at Plainhill and he enquired how things were going.  This took place before - the incident at Batong took place before the one at Mazabkweni.  Pat enquired just where these people stayed or where they stood or where they attacked from.
	I showed them where they stayed and I also told him that sometimes they would come and get into the forest or come up from the river's side to attack us.
	He then requested that these people should be attacked, so that they should stop attacking us and he suggested that he will come with his colleagues and we should also assist him when he goes to that area.
	I then consulted with Mnini, whom I saw first.  I told him that Pat was requesting that a group of people should accompany him to attack that area.
	Mnini was opposed to that idea.  I then did not consult anybody else, because we were actually not together all the time.  We did not meet all the time, so I did not see the others.