CHAIRPERSON
I think so and I got a little bit lost as well, what Mr Buthelezi said was that Mr Mabena, when they were abroad was a commander of a unit of which he was a member, then they both came back to South Africa at different times and when he came back he was a member of a unit and Mr Mabena was a logistics officer.  I don't know if it was the same unit that existed overseas that came here.  Maybe you can ask on that but I think that's where the confusion has come in.  And also whether Mr Mabena was in Mr Buthelezi's own unit as a logistics officer or in a different one.