ABRAM VAN ZYL
Mr Chairperson,  I just want to explain it in the following way.   What I said here is that I mentioned that Matthysen had no knowledge of any of our activities or projects, I specifically referred to the projects for which I am applying for amnesty and also the other projects mentioned in my statement.
	Mr Matthysen was very aware of it that we were working for the Army, he was one hundred percent informed about this, but he was not, he did not have any knowledge about the specifics of what we were busy with, in other words the project regarding Min Omar, or the project regarding the monkey and that is what I am trying to say to you.