MR VISSER
Mr Chairman, I'm not a mindreader, I don't know. People do things for various reasons by various motivations. We are going to suggest to you some reasons why these people could have come to you and apply for amnesty without them having done it. It may be even possible that they did. It may be possible that they did, but at the end of the day you have them and you have some witnesses who are victims, who have a very real interest in them succeeding with their applications for amnesty. But against that you have a bulk of a denial, and unless you are going to adopt a biased approach to say that, merely because they are policemen I am not going to believe them when they deny. Because as my learned friend Mr Stander and Mr Memani said, we read of all over the country where it was different. Well, that may be ...[intervention]