MR MARTINI
No, if you let me finish Mr Lax, I was going to come to that point.
	Mr van Zyl never said: "You should have shot the woman as well".  What I'm saying is, it's improbable, because Barnard - Mr van Zyl's evidence is not: "I told Barnard to shoot Minister Omar and the lady", that's Barnard's evidence.  I'm saying you've got to reject that evidence, it's highly improbable.