JABULANI JOSEPH KHUMALO AKA ACE
Ja.  Members of the Committee, this political struggle between the two organisation in that area started in 1990, not 1991.  I remember at that time that not only in the Emzinoni in Bethal, but we had a problem of similarly political fighting space in Vosloorus, at Kwaguqua in Witbank, in Ermelo at Umlomo.  As that time I was not a national leader of the PAC, but I was a leader in the region of the PAC in the East Rand.  We were getting these reports that members of the PAC have been under attack and we needed to assist if there is any way that we can, especially at Bethal.  I thought maybe the person in question here, when he talk about attending the meetings and the workshop he will go to an extent that there were people in those meetings that he will not know, they were not known to him.  	Because we were sending people all over these areas in order to assist wherever possible in the way of trying to bring the political settlement and negotiate with the opposition if it's possible.  Where it was not possible, those people would come and say that that area it's more, there is no tolerance, there is no option that we can engage ourselves politically.  In fact it's at high risk for any member of the PAC, like the area in KwaTema, there was a time when members of PAC could not wear even T-shirts.
	So in areas like that, we were to recommend to those who were linked to the underground structure of the PAC to intervene.  So at that area at Emzinoni I know it was affected by the political confrontation between the PAC and the ANC, and we did indeed receive a report that houses were burnt.  Even the members, those who were killed during the time, burnt during the time of the shack being burnt as means of retaliation by the ANC or attack by the ANC, we did get the report that there is such incident in that area.  
	So what I can say is that not only at Bethal at the time, but throughout many areas that I counted, but especially in Bethal there was that political conflict between the PAC and the ANC.