MR HATTINGH
Mr Chairman, I do not want to go into the - not at all into the details of the statements, I am not even - would like to give you the gist of why I would like to use the documents, because that would then be to the disadvantage of the applicant if we are not going to use it.
	But what I say is, I am not - I do not intend to go back to his youth.  I do not intend to go back to a tremendous amount of background.  What I want to do is, this applicant is making application for a number of atrocities and actions that he took in the past.  On all of those on which he makes application, he was convicted.
	His reason today for saying I am entitled to amnesty, I comply with the requirements of the Act, is inter alia that at the time I did it for a purpose, a political aim, political motive.
	My opposing the applicant's application is based on the fact that it was not done at the time for a political motive and political purpose, if and this is just - I am not saying this was the position - but if ...