MR B WILLIAMS
It was put to you by counsel for Mr Bellingan that Mr Liebenberg had indicated that he didn't have any informers in that group at all.  Now I want to put it to you that when Mr Liebenberg testified at previous hearings of this Commission, he in fact said to the Commission himself that he had an informer in this group, other than you and Eric.  What do you say about that?  That must be so, not so?