MR VISSER
And for the assistance of the Committee I wish to refer, not to hand it in as an exhibit but just to refer to an extract of the judgement of Judge Terion.  From this matter on page 2632 of the record and there's a solitary paragraph that reads
"The ANC leaders therefore foresee and they accept and are reconciled to the likelihood that the ANC operations would cause the death of civilians.  In these circumstances it seems to us to be idle to argue that the ANC does not intend the probable consequences of it's conduct, namely the killing of civilians."
And at page 2639 his Lordship makes the finding on the evidence, that's the third paragraph from the top, page 2639:
"On the evidence therefore we find that the state has proved that the following of the explosions were caused by the ANC operators in pursuance of the aims of the ANC"
and then 8 incidents are set out Mr Chairman and his Lordship continues:
"the places at which the explosive devices were set off and the timing of the explosions as well as the type and the nature of the devices employed make it unreasonable to suppose that the explosions were caused by persons who were not operators of the ANC or for purposes which are unconnected with the aims of the ANC."
And it is the basis then from which, are we understanding the short term we had to look at judgment, where these persons were found guilty.
	Mr Chairman, I've reached the point where we are going to go to the incidents and ...[intervention]