MR VISSER
Yes.  Now you see Mr Ismail I am a bit confused about this.  I suggest to you, with respect, that to say I apply for amnesty in regard to what operatives acting on my commands and instructions did because I gave the orders, but I don't really know and I can't tell you today Mr Chairman of all those operations.  There may be many that I don't even know about, and even so there may be some that I have forgotten about.  That's one thing.  Because what you are saying is, I sent people out into South Africa to commit acts of violence etc, execute operations.  That's one thing.
	But I have a problem, and I don't mind telling you that my problem is based on a reading of the Act, if you wish to say to the Chairman and the members of this Committee, I am applying for amnesty for acts which I personally executed which I can't remember. Now first of all this latter category that I am putting to you, is that part of your application?