MR SHEIN
I am Lawley Shein representing the applicants already mentioned, Gaelatse, Nemaorani and Mabote.  I'm an attorney from Johannesburg.  As far as Mr Gaelatse is concerned Mr Commissioners, the applicant has never in his application stated any involvement whereby there's been a gross violation of human rights.  The only offence that Mr Gaelatse committed and for which he seeks amnesty was that from approximately the middle of 1993 he possessed an AK47 weapon and bullets.  This was possessed, he was one of the commanders of the Thokoza/Beirut section, he was self defence unit, he never incited anybody to commit violence, anyone under his command ...(intervention)