MS KOTZE
No I saw him in 1994 as well, but then I saw him in relation with his wife's depression because his work was taking a toll on her.  She was - because he didn't speak to her and she could see that he was severely stress, she was so worried about him - there's a very good close relationship there, that she became depressed and I pulled him in, into the therapy to discuss, but the focus was on his wife.