MR PANDAY
Under cross-examination, yes.  ...(indistinct), Mr Chairman.  And all of these events now merely agitated the community, threatened the safety of the community, that being the ANC community, and as a result of this the instructions were given to eliminate the two victims, as a result of their association with a well-known leader, Mr Ngobo, who was the IFP.  That is not in dispute, Mr Chairman.
	Mr Ngobo being a leader of the IFP obviously was a threat to the progression and the people of the ANC, and the applicant reacted accordingly.  There has been suggestion or instructions by the victims' attorney that there was no need to kill the victims as there was merely a purchase that was going on between Ngobo and the victims and obviously the people and the community of the ANC, namely the applicant and the other comrades, did not except the version or did not believe that Oswald would require a weapon to protect himself from the community.
	It hasn't been put to the applicant that there was a need for Oswald to protect himself, by the victims' attorney ...(intervention)