MR FATYELA
Yes, that is the - true, I could give this as an example  when my father died on - on - in the location there were De Vries, who is the  owner of Oasis - he was one of the reserves - and one lawyer from our residential area and many others who were from the farms.  These people who had just been taken to come and help in our - in the beating of us.  And those were supposed to be doing the main job, were hiding behind these people.