MR MARTINI
Sorry, statements of Mr Williams, because he hasn't testified, but he did put to the witness - Mr Williams himself says in his statement, unfortunately I don't have that statement to give a reference Chairperson, he says that he walked outside the hall, he went outside.  He says the Kewtown Youth Movement terminated the meeting.  Mr Alexander himself says the Kewtown Youth Movement terminated their meeting, which ...(indistinct) credibility to what Mr van Zyl says ...(intervention)