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Sir, Mr Chairman, in this situation that we were placed in there is no doubt in my mind that it did not come from head office, that it did not come from the superiors and the Generals staff.  There is no doubt in my mind that it was a splinter group that had to do this, it was the AWB.   It was told and said by the leaders and the General staff to do it and we went and did it.  Where I got involved my state of mind said pipe bombs in the back of my vehicle, I associated myself planting pipe bombs.  When it came to my surprise that it was a Bree Street bomb, as soon as I saw it I questioned Koper Myburgh on it.  The next thing that went off I was not at Koesterfontein, I was at the "wildsplaas."   The next thing that came to my mind is this big bang down in Germiston and that I only heard when I came back from Randfontein.  I did not know about Germiston bomb that left because this was done at a different spot, more or less as you heard the other evidence 30 km, 15 or 10 or whatever.  I wasn't there. I never went there and I never discussed it what was going on there, so when those bombs went that is when I knew about it.