EUGENE ALEXANDER DE KOCK
Yes, Chairperson, because all information created that expectation that you were dealing with trained MK members.  The idea was that this ambush was going to take place, that these persons would be armed and the information indicated that they were armed, and I was satisfied with the information.  This was the result of enquiries that I had made myself, I didn't simply rely on someone else's version of the information and here we have this situation.