ADV BOSMAN
: I don't want to debate this with you.  I just want to mention how I understand the witness, and the witness says that at that stage in Court, Nick Fourie was already dead.   And then to explain his lie, he said that I made the statement that it was Nick Fourie, at a stage, when Nick Fourie was still alive.  And during the Court proceedings when he died... Wait you have got me confused here totally.  You have totally confused me.   And then he said it is not necessary to protect Nick Fourie.   He is deceased now.  It was Nick Fourie, but he still wanted to protect Oelofse, and today he says: `Today I am not protecting Oelofse, today I speak the truth.'   Then I lied about Nick Fourie. That is how I understand this, as he is putting it.  My fellow panel members could differ from me but I don't know if we found each other.