FERDINAND BARNARD
I beg your pardon, but it would have been sorted out on other levels, and not necessarily with the investigative team which were working with me.  I did not believe at any point that the investigative team would walk in there and say "listen, let's have a braai, everything is over, let's go".  I didn't think that those were their contacts, those persons who were involved with my interrogation and the investigation against me.
	The investigators were indeed much better investigators than those who found me guilty, and they were far more honest as well.  I don't want to evaluate everybody according to the same criteria, but Brig Floris Mostert would definitely have sent me to the gallows if it was within their capacity at that point, but there were people working against them, and the CCB also worked against them.  Generals on the general level in Pretoria in the police system, also worked against them.
	People were sent to me who penetrated into my cell at night where I was kept, and among others Col Eugene de Kock was also used as an instrument.  You can fetch him, he will testify to that here, he will support that.  Joe Verster had nothing to do with the Webster incident, but Joe Verster was very interested in affidavits and was interested in the levels upon which these statements were made.  I would get a copy of these statements from Eugene de Kock.  Joe Verster would also have copies of the statements, why was he involved if he didn't have anything to do with it?  He should have stayed away from it, shouldn't he?