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Just on the other aspect, with respect, Judge 
Wilson is correct is that all we have up to now before and which is 
not in dispute and then Mr Prior is correct, is that these cartridges 
were found close to or next to, on top of the deceased bodies.  
There is no evidence, the only evidence is that from the applicant's 
side is Madasi was standing, sorry maybe I could just deal with this 
Mr Cornelius, you were at the end of that line which comes from 
"d", is that right, more or less there?