MR D'OLIVIERA
Mr Chairman at this particular time, in the transitional phase that the country was going through there was a lot of uncertainty.  It was different, I think, to the type of unrest situations that you might have, for example, today.  But at that stage there was a lot of uncertainty.  We know for a fact that at a higher level decisions were made which, as you have heard in evidence, hadn't filtered through, but in effect there was still a war going on between the government on the one side, or the anti-insurgency forces on the one side and the ANC.  It wasn't a  - I would not equate it to an unrest area which one might have today.