DIRK ADRIAAN VAN DER BANK
Thank you.  Mr Chairman the answer on the first question is I think I have never been nearer to God since that day, me or my family.  My wife, my children heard the shots, they were lying on the floor in the house.  They were in standard 6 and 7 respectively so they are also traumatised by the whole event.  That's my first answer to your question. I am trying, I am a sinner like anybody is I think Sir, I am trying my best to stay as close to God as possible.  That has been my pillar of strength this past four years.  Yes I am a man, I am no less a man than anybody else, you still get that nagging feeling coming back every morning sitting in your stomach, you still get that.
 Secondly, yes we were all guilty of apartheid, we were, EAST LONDON HEARING TRC/EASTERN CAPE
18 D VAN DER BANK
I am not standing away from that.  I think indoctrination and the way of life had much to do with that.  But I grew up in the Eastern Cape and I don't think it was a problem ever for me.  That was one of the reasons I came to Ciskei because I thought that I would understand the cultures, the traditions, everything.