MR VISSER
Mr Chairman, what my attorney tells me is probably correct.  We did address you and give evidence before you in the Cele matter regarding the background of Operation Vula.  Now certainly it isn't our attempt to rehash all of that now, far from it, but my attorney believes that it would be reasonable if we repeat a portion Mr Chairman, from Exhibit B for the information of the new legal representatives that have come in and perhaps for whoever else might be in the audience, who might be interested and Mr Chairman, it's really only two and a half pages and that is in Exhibit B at page 116.  Now, I don't, I think it will waste time if I try to lead this through the witness, Mr Chairman.  I can do it in either one of two ways.  We can draw our learned friends' attention to it and ask them to read it, or I can quickly read it myself.