DR RANDERA
Is Mr Chauke here yet?  Has he arrived?  No, and Mr Thelele, has he arrived?  Okay, as these gentlemen have not arrived yet, can I suggest that we break for tea and come back at twenty five to twelve.  Thank you very much.  Has Mr Thelele arrived?  ...(indistinct) the Director General for Safety and Security.  How do pronounce ...(indistinct)
 Can I please call Jeanet Ramakokovhu.  Yes, I know.  Is Jeanet here?  Will you, will you call her in.  Whilst we're waiting for the next witness, can I welcome the Director General for Safety and Security, Mr Saad Kitjalje.  Can you please stand so that your people can see you.  Welcome.  Mr Chauke or Mathiya Thelele or Tshalo Moraba is present in the audience, if you are.  Welcome Mr Moraba.  Right, Jeanet is here.  Is Jeanet here?  Okay Russel, will, shall we call yours first then.  Can I please ask Sarah Sekhwama to come forward please.  Can I also announce that I said earlier on that we have a statement taker from the Truth and Reconciliation Commission in one of the halls at the back.  We also launched on Monday of the Easter Week-end what we call the des, the designative statement taking drive.  These are people who are living within the communities who have been given training by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission to continue taking statements because often the impression is created that people are only asked to make statements for a hearing.  Remember the Mandate of the Commission goes on until the fourteenth of December 1996 and therefore people have the right to make statements.  Our pro-active statement taking drive will stop at the end of July but there's no reason why people cannot still send a statement in directly to the offices of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission but we have three people who have been trained from this area, Mr Alfred Chisane, Maurice Mbealane and Libowani Matuse who are also present in the hall to-day and I will announce at the end of the day where they will continue to be taking statements in Messina and the surrounding areas between, between now and the end of July.  So please, there's lot's of opportunity to, for people who have not made statements to come forward and make their statement.  I want to also say that we, as you've heard to-day, a number of people have been mentioned who, who were involved in the, in the violations that took place.  In terms of the, of a ruling that was made at the appellate division of courts of our country, we have to inform these perpetrators, alleged perpetrators that their names are going to be used where the name has been mentioned in a statement.  So every person's name that you are hearing to-day, that person has been informed and has the right actually to respond if he or she wishes, if they were here to-day.  All right?  So this is Jeanet no this is Sarah.  Hey? Annikie.  Annikie, welcome.  Can you hear me?  Okay.