VINCENT KUSAHUSA KHANYILE
What I'm trying to explain Mr Berger, is one thing and that is that during the attack at Boipatong, Mr Zulu was not present.  As I said he was away for a week or about three weeks.  The question of whether he knew or didn't know is something that I don't know, all that I know is that he was not present during the attack at Boipatong.