MR DU PLESSIS
Mr Chairman, I don't want to object unnecessarily, but you will know from previous applications to what length evidence about this specific point was placed before you, the reasons therefore, the way it happened, the orders that were given, the order by Brig Victor, what it entailed and how the operations took place.  If Col Loots is asked to elaborate on that, Mr Chairman, it is probably going to take him an hour to answer this question.  And Mr Chairman, the evidence about this has been placed before you in extensive detail in other applications.