MR KNOETZE
May it please you, Mr Chairman.   Mr Visser, can I ask you to look at page 12, paragraph 17 of the set of applications?   That application is the application of Phil Kloppers.   I am reading it to you
"At nine o'clock I arrived at the roadside cafe and brought the people to attention.   I told them that the waiting period is over and that the revolution will start today countrywide.   I gave them the instruction of General Oelofse.   They were informed that General Oelofse wanted to see corpses, and I took out the two pipe shotguns and gave it to Etienne Visser and Martin van der Schyff who did not have weapons.   I gave the instruction that we have to set up a roadblock where people will be asked if they had weapons or ammunition, and if they had we would seize that."
Do you see there that Mr Klopper said that he gave you the weapons?