MS THABETHE
Same day as well, 7th of July 1990, on paragraph 22 you talk about the fact that you telephoned Mr Steyn, was it Mr Steyn?  Just hold on, I want to confirm that.  Sorry, my mistake.  Paragraph 22, you say, same day, 7th July, Ndaba told you of his meeting with Shabalala.  Now I've given you three incidents, I want you to tell me which one occurred first.