LAURENS MBATHA
Sir, hence I said the negotiations were done actually at a senior level.  Like I said actually the very similar approach strike me when actually I reached my dissatisfaction with the TRC Investigation Unit, they said to me this is how we operate and this how they have decided to approach the case.  They ...[indistinct} at the HRC Hearing because I wanted to find out why was I not approached, they said to me:  "This is how we deal with it".