CHAIRPERSON
No, I think let's just cut this ...(indistinct) out.  I understand from hearing this kind of application in the past that there came a time when there was a situation in this country when there was a conflict between those who were fighting for liberation and there was resistance on the part of the machinery of the state.  Those that were upholding the machinery of the state, looked upon themselves as engaged in a war situation and in that kind of situation resorted to tactics, criminal tactics which they otherwise would not have.  Now from past experience in these applications, we've come across that kind of thing.  I want to know whether the point you are making is not just an overelaboration of that issue.