MR MEYER
Well, yes.  But discrepancies between their applications, written applications and their oral evidence but, I would still submit that those discrepancies do not indicate that the applicants were lying at any stage.
	I think one has to also take into account that it's not a question of, because this a completely unique process, I think the inference or the negative inference to be drawn is worse when the written statements give more evidence or contain more evidence and is then down played during the oral evidence than it is - but in this instance it's working the other way around.
	And I would still submit that when the applicants eventually gave their oral evidence, they were very open with the Committee and it's obvious that they were trying their utmost best to make full disclosure and there are several indications during their evidence that because of the long time lapse, they could not remember for instance, whether one of the applicants was involved with a specific victim and they would then concede that it's possible that they cannot remember.
	And it's my submission that if one has regard to that that the applicants were not trying to down play during their oral evidence anyway, they were not trying to down play their involvement in the torture and the assaults, that they did make full disclosure except for the serious dispute with regard to the assault or injuries to the private parts of the victims which I will get to soon.