MR PHOSA
No, no, I had said initially I'd understood him to say that and I came back and said: "Have a look at my notes, I want to give him a further opportunity on that", so I did understand that on that occasion he did deny but he might have done so but I didn't understand that.  Anyway I do not pursue that point, he's answered it.
	Now you said something yesterday about your not knowing anything about the poisoning of Mr Mthimkhulu.  Do you still say so?