MR VISSER
I am referring to our record, Mr Chairman.  In fact, the evidence of that abduction, I was just going to refer you to it, is in, Mr Ngo's evidence and it commences at page 68 of the record.  It then continues up to page 84,  actually 83.  So, for your information, Mr Chairman, from page 68 of the record to page 83 you will find the evidence of Mr Ngo in cross-examination on this whole issue of Mr White Mohape.
	I do not want to waste your time, I will check it tonight, Mr Chairman.  I have the investigating officer's name somewhere.