CHAIRPERSON
Look, I don't want a long story.   A simple question, from the evidence you give, there was a time when the ANC said "look, we are going to retaliate and we are going to deal with the PAC because it is interfering with our political activities", all I need to know is when did that threshold, when was that threshold crossed?  Mr Mapipa was apparently shot because of his association at least with the PAC.  The PAC members in Mr - whose home was that - Mposelwa, his house was almost handgrenaded because of the PAC problems, so some time before then there must have been a decision "look, we cannot take this any more, we are going to retaliate".  All I want to know is when did that occur?