MR NORTJE
Yes, during the run of time, his name was mentioned, because as I say, we were in constant or Mr De Kock was in constant contact with Nieuwoudt and Van der Westhuizen and according to me, they were the major role players, that is the information that I received.  After he mentioned the meeting that he wanted to have, and I assume that he had spoken to them, because my recollection is that Hendrik van der Westhuizen would arrange this meeting.