FERDINAND BARNARD
Chairperson, for a very simple reason.  The CCB handled me in a different fashion.  I was not in a structured system as it was presented to me by Calla Botha and Slang van Zyl, where presentations were made where other members could substantiate presentations, where there was an established structure or pro forma according to which things were conducted.  I was a lone figure and incriminated a such, along with Lafras Luitingh and Joe Verster, who had already during the post-mortem inquest incriminated me during the formal presentation of evidence.
	All they would have to do, if I had gone and said "okay, I am applying for amnesty, here are the facts" as I have done, all they would have to do is deny it.  They would substantiate each other and there would be a very good chance of my refusal of amnesty.  Then I would stand alone and Joe Verster would be laughing at me.  That is why I did not apply for amnesty.