MR WESSELS
Mr Chairperson that is correct, but it has to be tested to see if he is now telling the truth, because a point that he is making now is very simple.  He comes here and he says that he's telling the truth.  He will sit in jail for the rest of his life.  He is telling the truth and we must believe him.  But when he is asked about other crimes to test or find out if he is telling selectively the truth, can I just finish my point, then why it is important Sir is that it is my statement that I put to Mr Barnard that he has a motive why he is making these allegations.  And to test that motive it is important that we can see to what extent he is making a full disclosure, or is he holding back.  Because if he is holding back something then it is very clear that there is a motive.