MOKOTEDI MPSHE
Mr Chairman that is one of the first things that is done when the application is to be heard Mr Chairman, but as I have indicated this was done for hearing purposes, but as I've indicated again the matter was investigated first by the Durban Investigative Unit in whose jurisdiction Bloemfontein falls, now because of this issue that this man was shot at in Mamelodi the Durban Investigative Unit referred the matter to the Johannesburg Investigative Unit in whose jurisdiction the matter falls, and that is where the buck stopped Mr Chairman.  Otherwise Mr Chairman in the other victims the victims are available in herein with us today and the matter can be proceeded with.  Yes Mr Chairman Mr Visser says victims, I say the victims in the true sense of victims.  Thank you Mr Chairman.