JEFFERY T BENZIEN
Five past nine in the morning, the intelligence that we had was that he was travelling in all probability with Mr Forbes.
	With every method we tried, Mr Jacobs gave evasive answers.  We could not get around to it.  It was obvious that he was playing for time.
	In a nutshell the only way we got him to speak was, by doing a rouse with the watch.  I don't know if you gentlemen, lady are aware of the watch story?  We had removed our watches and moved the time onto four o'clock the afternoon.
	And I was standing in the passage outside the office and I said, we are getting nowhere with this, it is four o'clock, I am going home.  And immediately Mr Jacobs heard the time four o'clock, which in actual fact, I think was around about twenty to two, Mr Jacobs then said, no problem I will take you to where I was living.	We drove directly to that place and en route he said, yes, the cut out time was two o'clock.  It was in actual fact quarter to two and we went to this house and we arrested Mr Forbes.  But I do concede that the torture of Mr Jacobs was robust and very long.