SPEELMAN ERNEST MTSWENI
When we arrived at the mountain, Emma was questioned and what she said was she wasn't in this thing alone.  She also said that the muti that she gave them, she wasn't killing them, she wanted them to be made, the muti was just to make them crazy and she also said that she was working with Mahlangu.  When she said so, Sam Mahlangu who is a son of Mr Mahlangu, said that we must go and fetch his father as well, so that he can come and listen to the allegations.  As Sam went to fetch his father, Victor Ntuli gave the five litre container to Janya.  Janya poured the petrol over Emma and Richard Skosana came and he also poured the petrol over Emma.  I took the petrol from Richard and I also poured.