MR DERBY-LEWIS
And that was his perception at the time and he was in the speech clearly getting stuck into Mr Koos Botha, because of the fact that he had already been expelled from the party and that he was obviously in Mr Du Plessis' statements, creating an embarrassment for the party by continually blaming Dr Treurnicht for something that was said in 1990.  I am not blaming Dr Treurnicht, Mr Chairman, for something that was said in 1990.  The 1990 statement was the beginning, but this 1992 statement, Mr Chairman, was clearly a completely different ball-game.