MR MADASA
Thank you, Committee Member.  In any case, my argument here, submission, is the following, that what we are looking at is the belief subjectively of the applicant, based on information that he received, and the information that he received, wrongly or correctly, is that these people were involved in political activities, and Fouche, in his statement on page 252, paragraph 5, alludes to that, and Elsa told the applicant the same, and then he believed that.  Therefore he had a factual basis to believe that these were activists and he needed to act on them.  That is all that the applicant has to show.