KOBUS DU PLESSIS
Mr Chairman, I believe that the answer lies in the probability with regard to the two versions.  Then I personally feel, at this stage, with regard to what the people believe they have heard, I can understand that the sound, it is so, I have experienced myself that the sound can give the impression of shots being fired out of a helicopter because of the blades breaking the sound barrier and also the shooting, the sounds of the firearms and the total circumstances.
 I don't think that we must have the attitude of deciding, with what we have on the table, people heard and they made conclusions.  If it did not happen, I'm not saying they are lying, if it did happen I would say yes there must be more evidence in this regard.  Did somebody see a person with a firearm or, I don't know but I don't think that at this stage, we can work on probabilities and that it is at this stage, to me a question that hangs in the air.  But I can understand that people can get, under these circumstances, like I have said, the impression that shots were fired from all directions because it is a situation, even if you look at the video films, where there was totally chaos when the shots started to be fired.