MR HATTINGH
At this stage obviously the witness is sworn in as a witness, but the document that we are dealing with at the moment, the status thereof is not quite clear, whether it forms part of the application, although not signed.  Is it an assistance for the witness to give his evidence today and nothing more than that?  In what manner are we going to deal with all the incidents.  Are we just going to follow this statement being read to this witness and for him to confirm, which is a manner of doing, of giving evidence which I believe is not quite in keeping with normal practice.