CHAIRPERSON
I think what Mr Mbandazayo is getting at Mr Moringer is, if one just takes a look at it, you are living in Johannesburg, you are an Austrian citizen, you've got no vested interest at all in Transkei, okay you've got contacts, you have been there before, but you've got no vested interests, one would imagine in a situation like that, that you didn't feel with any great passion, that you should put your liberty on the line by (indistinct) in the kidnapping.  If you got caught at the kidnapping, that night, on the 12th of April, you will go to jail for many years, it is a very serious offence, and I think this is what Mr Mbandazayo is trying to find out, why would you risk, place yourself at that risk for something that you probably didn't feel very passionately about, after all Transkei was so-called independent country where you had no vested interest, yet, you were putting yourself on the line?