MR MBANDAZAYO
Chairperson, also then going to the question of Jimmy Jones in Court.  Chairperson, I wouldn't like this time, because the reason for him not testifying was in a way not necessary that he did not, he himself did not want to testify, but for ... I consulted with him and I consulted with the members of the High Command.  Then for technical reasons then that's the reason that the letter was, I wrote the letter.  I went to High Court and put that position that he will not be in a position to testify.  In a way we were avoiding the State calling him as a witness in the case at that stage.