NORMAN ARENDSE
Okay.  Now tell us about the - the operations that you were involved in, we know now you were involved in the New Caste Crazy Beat Disco matter, where you applied for amnesty and you have been granted amnesty.  We know about that one.  Now the others in respect of which you are applying for amnesty are some of the ones we are going to deal with today.
	Now before we do that, can you just perhaps tell the Committee, you were born in the Eastern Cape, did you at any stage come to Cape Town?