MR MALAN
Sorry, sorry to interrupt you Mr Nkabinde.  I mean, you are giving us the information leading up historically largely over a very large period or long period of time whereas the purpose here really is to listen to your story in terms of the gross human rights violations perpetrated to you.  So if I can ask you to be brief in your accounting of the history and really come up to the situation which is the subject matter of your statement, because that is the purpose here.  I will appreciate it.