AZHAR CACHALIA
Absolutely clear Mr Lax.  I haven't the slightest hesitation in acknowledging that there was this two political groups, that faced one another.  I am saying to you that, I'm making the humble submission, and I say that, commenced with saying that I might be on thin ice on this one, but I'm saying that I started the submission notwithstanding the kind of what we have read generally about what the Amnesty Committee's attitude in this matter has been that one must take a strict interpretation.  But I leave it at that.  I don't wish to take it any further and I'm saying that that is on the basis that I have made.
	What I am saying in addition, sir is, I think the issues that I intended raising about full disclosure has been, to a very large extent, discussed in this particular matter, already in the submissions to the application, and the discussion that took place with the Committee in this regard.  In my view, and my humble submission, there is quite clearly not full disclosure.  The question that I raise is the following.  We have members of the legal fraternity, and I associate myself with the Committees' views in this particular matter, that no aspersions are being cast either on Mr Claassen, Colleen Henchie, or Anina van der Merwe, who are referred to in these particular proceedings, but I am saying that it is inconceivable that they did not deliberately mislead the Committee.  They misled the Court, they admit that particular, it is a matter that we can understand and take it further from there. ...(intervention)