RAYNER MARIA MORINGER
I think the question you are asking does not allow, from my point of view at least, a binary answer in that respect.  I think one has to look at it from a much wider angle.  I agree with you that I have been in this country for 30 years, I have been in business, I have been in business in homelands, Bantustan, whatever the appropriate definition for this is, and I have benefited at least on the commercial side, obviously, from the previous government, because call it this, for 20 years out of the 30 years in this country, the National Party was the ruling party.  That is not disputed, however, I was never politically involved in that sense with the National Party or with the previous government.  However, I come from a family which is a very liberal minded family.  In particular, sorry, I am not trying to get sympathy, but unfortunately your question gets that answer, meets that answer, my brother is a lawyer in Austria, my brother is a communist, my brother refused to visit South Africa under the old National government regime.  My brother has actually the first time visited South Africa, about two years ago.  We've got a very closely knit family and I did get quite a lot, I wouldn't call it pressure, but we had lots of political discussions at home as well, in relation to South Africa.  So maybe that definitely formed some of my attitudes to the old government and to the transition.  Does that answer your question?
MR Z. MAPOMA: Yes, well I think to a certain extent it does.  Now apart from this operation that is the subject matter of this hearing now ...