JEAN DU PLESSIS
After we had carried out the robbery at Wahlmanstal, and taken the weapons, we returned to the holiday resort, which was called Utopia, and we decided, or rather I decided, that we should go on to the planning and preparation of the robbery of the money.  I then tried to obtain explosives for that purpose, and I then had to leave the group. I thought perhaps I would try and approach somebody who knew about mining operations, so that I could obtain the explosives from such person.  That was on the Monday morning that I left. I hitch-hiked from there, because the other members needed the vehicle.  Then on Wednesday I returned, and the base had been left behind. The premises that we were renting were empty and there was nobody there.  So I returned to Pretoria and coincidentally I bumped into Van Wyk in the street near Sunnypark.  I asked him whether he knew where White and Grobbelaar were. He said Grobbelaar and he had been in Sunnypark the previous day.