MR MBANDAZAYO
Mr Chairman, without interfering with the question of the honourable member, I don't think they managed to get each regarding the reason for him filling the nature and particulars.  I think he made it clear that the way he understood the nature and particulars was that he must say exactly what he told the police in his confession.  So, what he filled there he understood in that way and it is in that sense that it was a lie, because what he told the police was a lie, and he understood the question what is wanted in the form as what he'd also told the police, because it's what also transpired in court.