MR HOLE
That might be a point, Mr Chairman, but again I wish to ask the Committee to look at it against the background that in one of the affidavits by Mr Thoba. Mr Thoba says
"Soon they realised that they were not only dealing with Charles Sebe, but dealing with a more powerful organisation than themselves, an organisation that could even outwit, outmanoeuvre them."
	One get a situation where the police did not know where to start.   The police had no leads.  The head of the Elite Unit had been abducted, put in a car and taken to Transkei.   Mr Charles Sebe had been sprung out from jail by White people.  There was shooting.   One can understand the state of mind of these people.  EAST LONDON HEARING	AMNESTY/E CAPE
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These were junior officers some of them.   At least they were not ranked like Gen Charles Sebe, like Gen Kwane Sebe or Col Panzi who gave all the orders.  The highest ranking seems to have been a captain, Mr Katangana at some stage and a lieutenant at some stage.
	One cannot impute much creativeness to them.  One cannot impute much sophistication to these people.  It appeared that the people that they got, namely these victims, they tried to extract as much as information as they could from them.   And in two cases the Committee already knows that they failed dismally, because it appears that these people did not know anything.  But what is clear Mr Chairman, is that the assaults on these people did not seem to be assaults that had no purpose.