PIETER JOHANN VERSTER
Yes, I do, Mr Chairperson.  That was the whole reason and the whole dispute why the Harms Commission existed.  That was the reason why the police's deeds was given to the CCB and this is why the financial plan was changed and distorted so that it could look as if there was a distinction between internal and external operations and this is the reason, and this is what the dispute was about.  Well we treated it as a counter-insurgence war and when it was made public, it was pretended that the CCB had committed the police acts and everything else and everything was blamed on the CCB and within this dispute, this situation was then created.