MOKOTEDI MPSHE
Yes Mr Chairman, thank you.  Mr Chairman as regards to Mr Visser as the Chair and the honourable Committee will most probably remember, he was warned last time when we were in Pretoria and after the adjournment sometime during the end of last year, he telephoned me and he informed me that he had made an application to the Legal Aid and the application for Legal Aid assistance had been turned down and I informed him that he need not worry, he will get representation and he promised me that he would be available but only to my surprise I learned this morning that he said he wants his lawyer.  I spoke to him during the tea break - no, before the lunch break on the phone and he said he was insistent that he wants his lawyer and he has made an application to the Legal Aid.  I reminded him that your application was turned down, he said no, he has now made an appeal to higher authorities in the Legal Aid Board so he is going to get legal assistance.  So I informed him to be here tomorrow at eight o'clock and he agreed that he will be here tomorrow at eight o'clock with or without a lawyer.
	And as far as Mr de Waal, we were not in a position to trace Mr de Waal - we were requested to do so by the firm represented by Advocate Bizos.  We only succeeded due to the assistance given to us by Captain Holmes, Holmes the investigator in the criminal matter.  I was enabled then during lunchtime to speak to Mr de Waal - or to telephone Mr De Waal - I did so, he was not in, I spoke to the wife and the wife said no, he is available, he will inform him to be here tomorrow morning at eight o'clock and to request him to call me.  So I'm still expecting him to call me back but I can say by tomorrow Visser and Mr de Waal will make themselves available.  
	Inasfar as Mr Adrian Clark is concerned Mr Chairman, Members of the Committee, there's nothing I can say about this man - I've tried all my level best to track him down on a smallholding in Pretoria.  I was told he has moved, we tracked him down ultimately in Krugersdorp and whenever I call his house the phone will be answered by the wife and if it's not the wife, the phone will not be answered at all.  Up till now, we do not know whether he is still available or not.