ADV DE JAGER
The previous witness was the leader, so the people stood there, outside, calling on him, listen, we have come to fetch, or we want the hand of Martin and they should have asked it from him, because he is the leader in that area.  You said he should communicate with the leadership, the channels?
MR R.B. CELE: That act of shouting was not really communicating with him, because they could have done it properly.  What they did, they insulted him, they also shouted.  What they should have done was to come to his home, approach him in a proper manner and discussed the matter with him.  That was not how they were supposed to do it.