MR LAX
Thanks, Chairperson.  Miss Khungwane, it may help you just to understand, I sat through the submission that APLA made to the Truth Commission, and I heard it, and in that submission APLA did concede that in some cases some of their recruits were not as well trained or as well disciplined as they may have been, and they acknowledged that.  And they indicated that some things happened that they may not have wished to happen, but that's what happens when people are engaged in an armed struggle.  So just to let you know that APLA did make that statement before the Commission.  So that you can understand, they did admit that there were some mistakes that they made as well.