CHAIRPERSON
So where were you - where's that other form - someone else's application form as well, Mr Mphoreng's application - Mr Hlasa's application, where is it, page what?  It's 3 and page 11, to me they're identical.  It' not a photocopy but word for word it's the same thing so it's quite obvious that they must have sat with somebody who helped them complete this application forms, probably maybe even to beat the closing date or the deadline, so really.