JUDGE WILSON
In this regard - I don't know if you have seen a copy of the Judgment, Judge Hugo's Judgment I think it was, I'm not quite sure but one of the witnesses referred to what was said at the trial and that was that they were called animals, they were called baboons by the applicants.  Is that so, was that referred to in the Judgment at all?  Was the witness correct?  His evidence wasn't challenged in that regard.