DR RANDERA
Ms Madiba, thank you very much.  I just want to ask you a few questions.  Can you please tell us a little more about Alpheus Madiba.  You said he worked in Johannesburg and he worked for ACP.  Now in your statement you tell us that he was also a contemporary of our present President Nelson Mandela and other individuals and he was involved with the ANC.  Can you just tell us something about that?