WOUTER J BASSON
I want to explain. Yes, I see that the money is authorised, I withdraw the money physically, I give it to the person concerned and I'm in his presence when he accepts this money and when he gives an account of this money.  If there has been disbursement about R30 000 he would sign it, I hand it in and I'm satisfied.  That's where my control measure stops because I don't have access from Mr van Zyl and lower down, as an example.