MR GORDHAN
And Chairperson, just to put some facts so that we clarify this a cession version, the first set of questioning that took place in respect of Mr Botha's role took place in absolutely bright daylight.  It was very brief as I said and that has been confirmed.  As it became dark both Mr Duhr and Mr Bothma walked in and out several times and they will concede that, they put their files away and so on.  As it got darker it was towards twilight, I was then asked to stand my back to the door, my face to the window and the hood was placed over my head, not just the eye, I just want to confirm those facts?