MR BLACK
Mr Chairman, may I just once again - I thought this point has been made clear.  Why do we as my learned friend on my left here, Mr Patel say, why do we have to conduct this as a - by way of, almost by ambush - why haven't I been given copies of this?  Why weren't we told - it's repeatedly been made clear to Mr Hattingh and to everybody that there must be full disclosure of documentation.  I need to talk - I need to consult with the applicant, I can't have the applicant coming here and being confronted with documentation which I certainly haven't had sight of and I should imagine that when Mr Hattingh came here this morning he would have - it was his intention to use this document.  I really, I certainly object - I mean we can't carry on like this, I don't know what more one can do.