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Thank you Mr Chairman.  Mr Chairman there are just a few points I wish to mention.  Obviously in the light of Mr Wagner's withdrawal of his objection on behalf of his clients, it is not up to the evidence leader to, and quite frankly having listened to the argument of Mr Landman, a lot of what Mr
 Landman has said is factually and legally correct in terms of the act, however, I submit that on behalf, or representing the process a whole, I think that the Committee must not forget that despite or notwithstanding the legitimacy of the operation and the attack, there was a loss of human life.  We are presented with the stark facts that - all be it policemen, young policemen, four young men lost their lives in a horrible way.  Mr Kgoele said that the bomb that he planted was in the order of about 100 kilograms of explosives which was detonated when these policemen were within the killing field.  
	In addition hereto we also have injury to civilian and damage to civilian property.  My submission is that in the granting or not granting of the amnesty application that cognisance be given and effect be given to those victims who are, who were and will still be affected by this event, less the wrong message be sent out that civilians in any armed conflict situation are merely expendable commodities caught in the crossfire between opposing political or military opponents.
	And then lastly Mr Chairman there's just some concern, although the planning went with some military precision, as we've heard, the target was situated in a public place where civilians of all walks of life and as the list of injured also indicated, Black people who either through no choice of their own, were forced to attend that edifice or that symbol of apartheid.  And in that respect I would ask the Committee to also consider the aspect of gravity of the act which was set out in Section 20, Sub Section ... (intervention)