FERDINAND BARNARD
Mr Botha was upset, he was indignant, he said that he didn't know why that man was saying such things, he said that he was living in a dream world, he said that he, Mr Botha, had personally inspected the bomb, that he was the last one to view the bomb, that he doesn't know how he was implicated in the whole matter and that it was possible to teach a monkey to activate the button in ten seconds.  He also denied the aspect of the nails.  He also denied that the people had to be killed, he stated emphatically that on the contrary, the direct instruction had been that no-one should be killed.  I myself was not involved in the bomb incident.  If I could give you the details of what exactly was said, I would.  Mr Botha denied it, but Mr Slang van Zyl looked very serious when he told me all the details.  I don't know why this is.