MR LAX
And we may actually take account of a more general understanding of political.  This just some guidelines for us.  I mean, can I ask you this, are the objective seriously saying this wasn't in the broadest sense of the word some sort of a political occurrence, in the sense that you had a predominantly ANC supporting group of residents, and a predominantly IFP supporting group of residents, facing one another.  I put it no stronger than that at this stage.  But they're faced off against one another.  Even on Mr Dastile's evidence that's apparent, is it not?