JACKSON MBOVANE
I am coming to that.  When I arrived there I went to Sandile, this is our chief.  When I got at Sandile's place I found this Peace Force at the gate.  At the time I knew the security officers but I had never known anything about the Peace Officers.  When they asked me what I wanted, EAST LONDON HEARING TRC/EASTERN CAPE
4 J MBOVANE
I said I wanted a person who stays here.  Mrs Nolizwe Sandile is the one who came and asked me what did I want at that place.  I explained what happened to my place as informed by my children and then she said I must bring those children. She said I must take the children to her place.   I brought them along.  There were two children, the deceased and the other girl.  I wanted the person to accompany me.  I was ordered to bring the car in the yard.  I was suspicious and asked them why do they want me to bring the car in the premises, and then they said no nothing is going to happen to you, you may come in.  Nolizwe came out and I showed her these two children and this person who accompanied me.  She asked me again and I told the details of what has happened.
 There were questions which were exchanged here and then Nolizwe wanted to know what was happening.  The children gave the details again. They also wanted to ask who was there who was driving the other van.  They asked where is the car which you usually drive.  Mrs Nolizwe asked if we know the Peace Force and my children said yes you can bring them here we can identify them.  So the lady said no, some of them are not here.