AZWIFARWI CARLSON NETSHIVALE
Well, sometimes they might have been in their offices when we were busy with them.  The interrogation room wasn't really next to the office or really in the office, they had their own offices, then they will invite us for interrogation.  It might have happened that during the interrogation of a particular person one of the seniors could not have been in so one could not really reconnect what happened in the time, whether Mr Ramaligela was present during the assault of Mr Chikororo, that might have been so however, he may have gone to his office during the time when Mr Chikororo was being assaulted.