JEFFERY T BENZIEN
Abels was behind him.  There was an element of surprise present.  I had hoped that he was unconscious, we were least tense, I don't know if that is the correct expression or word, but perhaps we were not as alert.
	We were all on the ground.  He sat upright and I assume that if Abels could have reacted quickly enough, he could have done something, I could have jumped on him, but at that stage, it didn't actually happen.