LAURENS MBATHA
I reported the matter to Cosas members.  I do not recall exactly, within the Youth League, but definitely it was not John, because it was at the time when there was chaos as to whether really Sipho did the matter and I stood up and said he is not the one.  I know about the incident, I instructed Smiles and that thing was exactly on that particular day when we had to go and submit Smiles, because the reaction came out that members were really uncertain so I felt that I must explain to them that I knew about the thing and I had instructed Smiles.  I said it to Cosas members and I said it to some of the league members that I cannot recall at this stage.