MR VISSER
Yes Chairperson, we actually had the same situation as far as one of the witnesses was concerned in the Quarry Road as well and you no doubt heard about the Northern Transvaal problem which we had which was so close to self defence that the Committee really didn't know which way to go and neither did we, what to say.  So it is a problem, it is a problem yes, Chairperson.
	The only thing I still want to ask you, do you know or do you not know who Mr Nyanda or Mr Gordon was arrested first on that day?