MR LUBBE
Thank you, Mr Chairperson.  The problem is, and I've advised my client, that he cannot seek amnesty for this and that even if he does get amnesty, he must serve his sentence, and he appreciates the fact.
	May I refer the Committee, with respect to page 122, 123 and 124 of the bundle, and I will come back to that later, but I just want to briefly inform the Committee that this in fact the incident that my client recalls, where Mr Hlongwane testifies about a Ms Nkosi, that also carried a baby on her back and which he shot at, and my client only pointed out to him who Ms Nkosi was.  My instructions are this morning that he was under the impression all along that this incident of Malaza referred to that of Nkosi.  As it pleases the Committee.
	Now charge number 10 was withdrawn.  Can we proceed to charge 11 and 12 of the bundle.  Please look at page 20, Mr Seemise, and also look for me at page 24, which is a summary of these events, paragraphs 16, 17, 18 and 19.
	Again with your permission, Mr Chairman, if I may translate that to my client.