PIETER JOHANN VERSTER
No.  As I can remember now it might have been that the person responsible in this case, it was Slang van Zyl and later on he also involved Kalla Botha and that they would then work as a team and the people that they contacted on ground level and used on ground level was only done in presentations.  To me - but whether it happened like that, I cannot say, Chairperson.