MR VAN ZYL
At that stage Peaches, he just knew me under a false name, Thinus de Wet.  He did not know who I was working for and that I was indeed attached to the Army or anything to that effect, he had no idea of my true identity as well as where I worked.  Chairperson, as I have already testified in my evidence-in-chief, when he was recruited he was recruited and told that we wanted to protect the interests of business, overseas businessmen.  So it was not told to him that we were working for the Defence Force and that we were attached to any security organisation.