LAURENS MBATHA
After the document that I referred to, the message, actually, came through, I am not sure is it the Secretary-General, that I had to prepare Smiles out of what I have told them, because at that stage, also, nobody had access, nobody could talk to him, he was just open to me.  It is at that point in time an affidavit was prepared and he was taken over to be handed over at the police.  It is unfortunate at that time, the response was they do not need him, the ANC can use him the way they like.