CHAIRPERSON
Mrs Van der Walt, that is what he should have said.  I asked him and he wanted to go back into some history, I drew him and I restricted him specifically to the incident.
	He didn't say what you are telling us.  He said he believed in fact he said, I think that this order to kill this people on this day, was cleared with Gen Viljoen.  He said I think so and I asked him is that what you think, and he said yes, I think so.
	He didn't say the cooperation with Gen Viljoen and Hartzenberg had nothing to do with this particular incident, he actually said he thought so.  He actually said I think that the order to kill these people on the 12th of December 1993, was cleared with Gen Viljoen.