MR WESSELS
Yes, that's from Treasury.  A budget is obtained and then it's written off, but there is still accounting at the end of whatever period, as to how that money had been utilised and you had a financial file and an operational file.  Now the Treasury didn't have access to the operational file, but Webb had.  So Webb would then see how the money was written off and he would then know that in terms of the operational file, it was utilised in a certain way.  The Treasury wouldn't know exactly how that money was spent, but Webb would know.