DR RANDERA
I want to ask one last question.  In the amnesty hearings two or three weeks ago in Johannesburg, the five people who applied for amnesty talked about many of the killings that they were involved in.  Of course, one of the killings was related to these young people from outside Pretoria, who were also killed, almost in a similar incident to yours.  There was also the incident of the young people, I think in the East Rand, who were given the grenade by Joe Mamasela and these were dud grenades and of course, they blew themselves up and many of them were killed and some of them were severely injured.  The article in the newspaper a day after this, raised the question - and I want to actually just, so that you can actually give us your point of view.  An article in a newspaper a day later asked the question:  what were these young people going to do with the grenades
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themselves. So my question to you is:  what were you going to do with the training that you were going to receive, that you were going to be receiving in using these explosives?