BERNARD MAKGABO NGOEPE
What was said in the court was, I think a certain - there was reference to a certain Mr Liebenberg and who subscribe - whose teaching were exactly that.   That Black people were children of satan, they had no place on earth and the like and the - Mr Botha, if my recollection is correct, said that he subscribed to Liebenberg's teachings, he agreed with Liebenberg's teachings.  It may not be Mr Botha, but one of the applicants said that he agreed with what Mr - with Mr Liebenberg's teachings.