CHAIRPERSON
Mr Ntuli, I don't think that was the question put by Mr Mpshe.  Mr Mpshe is asking at the informal talk where the deceased was discussed, you said you went and fetched your jacket and on your way back, you came and there was an informal meeting of comrades, he is asking not about the leadership of the ANC in the area, but at that informal meeting, was - who was the leader there if anybody?  Who was in charge of that meeting?