MR HOLE
Thank you, Honourable Member of the Committee.  The idea of a reasonable policeman is a very elusive one.  Certainly I cannot be heard to submit that we know of any in South Africa.   The evidence we have heard from these people is that the methods that they have used on these people, except for Isixwapaxwapa which they admit for the first time, was what was used for interrogations throughout, when they joined the Elite Unit.