FUNDISELE GULENI
That is not what I am saying.   We were with these survivors, these APLA members.  It was suggested that they be stabbed and the others were in Mzwandile's car that was at a distance from where we were and the aim was for  the people who were with us, not to know what was happening there on the other side, but we couldn't execute that plan or go on with that suggestion, leaving the other people who were injured and go and shoot the other people somewhere else.