MR MALINDI
Chairperson, Dr Hartzenberg has admitted before this Committee and I will find a reference that they were involved in multi party forum negotiations, the Applicant Mr Derby-Lewis has considered that point and Mrs Derby-Lewis has also considered that point.  That they were involved in negotiations at the time.
	At Page 26 Chairperson, 7.5, Dr Hartzenberg was giving this interview on the 20th April 1993, the day after Chris Hani had been, the day after the funeral and he said that the CP was still involved in negotiations, the multi party conference negotiations which were being held and reference is at the paragraph itself.
	Chairperson at Page 36 which is acting in the course and scope of duties and within the scope or express or implied authority, Chairperson if our submission is correct that the Applicants did not act on behalf of the CP, then this submission becomes superfluous but in their Heads they do contend that they were acting within the course and scope of their duties and Mr Bizos has already made a submission that in order for the Applicants to rely on course and scope they should be able to state what duties, what tasks had been given to them by the CP within which they claim to have assassinated Chris Hani.
	And it is our submission therefore that in as far as they tried to rely on this paragraph, they cannot succeed because they have failed to specify their duties within which they were acting.  In fact the CP has discounted having ever planned, commanded or ordered any of the activities in relation to violence and specifically in relation to the assassination of political leaders.  And this fact was made clear when Koos Botha was told in Parliament that he was not acting on behalf of the CP and therefore they can't rely on this paragraph.
	At Page 38 Chairperson, paragraph 9, we have been alerted to the fact that Section 20, Sub 2, Paragraph F now excludes any person who is mentioned in Section 20 Sub 2(a).  Chairperson, our submission therefore is that it is clear that a person who is a member of an organisation as the Applicants claim, as Mr Derby-Lewis clearly is and as Mr Walus claims he is, can no longer rely on Paragraph F to say there were reasonable grounds which made them believe that they were acting within their express or implied authority.