JOE MAMASELA
Not really perjury.  You know, people can say: "I've seen somebody", you can see even in the statement somebody said: "I saw some people that looked like them because I once saw them addressing the meeting".
	It's not somebody who knows these people, it's only Mrs Jacobs who knew these people who said: "Mr Hashe was even reading a newspaper at the police station" you know, let me help you that ...[indistinct]  And then there's a man in the whole thing that you deliberately not pointed out, who came nearer to my version.  
	This man was an employee, I don't have his name here, he was an employee of the airport of Port Elizabeth who claims that he saw these people coming at half past seven and he saw a group of white policemen, I think the - the attorney put that this is the man.  He says he saw a group of policemen, white policemen and a black policeman at night.  
	That was not written today, it was written a long time ago, this thing, 1985.