FERDINAND BARNARD
Yes, that is correct.  I consistently denied that I had any knowledge of or involvement in the Webster incident.  I had a tactic of distance, which started when I was locked up under Section 29.  I was a former policeman and detective and I had investigated serious crimes.  I realised when the interrogation was underway, while I was in isolation under Section 29, that I would have to distance myself from the CCB as far as I possibly could.
	As things went by, I gave what I thought was a credible explanation which was of course, a fabrication, and what I said was that the CCB had made use of my services, but that during the Webster incident, I was no longer a member of the CCB, I used the problems with McQuillan and the incident to which has been referred, which took place at the Sandton Security Branch with Col Viktor and I conveyed this to the Investigating Team, in order to distance myself from the CCB.  It was the most logical step for me, it suited me.
	At a certain stage, as things developed into the future, it also suited the CCB that I had distanced myself from them, but that technique of distancing myself, no longer suits me today, because it was also not the truth.