MR MCBRIDE
Let me explain this to you so that you can understand.  The Self Defence Units, the ANC had suspended its armed struggle, negotiations were under way, there was, MK really was in barracks at that stage, it was after 1990, after the unbanning of the ANC, after I came out of prison, separate from my Special Operations things.  It was not an MK operation because MK was not supposed to have been giving weapons to people at that stage.