NYAMEKA GONIWE
I'm the Cradock people might shed light on that because I think he got a promotion shortly after that. You know how everybody gets rewarded about some of these things in the past, and he got a promotion and he was transferred to Port Elizabeth as I don't what now, a captain or brigadier, or whatever.  Just to say as well that the harassment of the Goniwe family didn't end with the death
of Matthew. We were still subjected to harassment and would be picked up and photographed, and it came out during the course of the inquest that a very sophisticated bug was placed in our house, which is called a tomatie.  I'm sure the Commission, if you're very interested in pursuing that or what happened or about the tomatie, it's well covered in the inquest document.  But that device could pick up the slightest sound, even the drop of a pin, everywhere in that house, in all rooms, so they could hear us sleeping in our bedrooms, everywhere, they could hear us argue, whatever, whatever happened in that family. This was a listening device, and there was a person who testified about this kind of device at the inquest, and they could hear you even if you were in the back yard or the front yard of the house, it was so powerful and I'm sure assisted them quite a lot to monitor the activities of the occupants of the house, what was said and pick up conversations.  I was glad not to hear about it at the time, because we would have been paranoid.  But we continued with our lives and were involved, and had meetings, numerous meetings in that house and we tricked them in many ways, which made us to be very proud, despite of the fact that there were listening devices in that house.