MR VAN SCHALKWYK
Then you say an interesting thing further on in the statement, allow me to read it to you
"And an independent witness"
That is something I want to clarify from you because my copy Mr Chairman is little unclear, it could be "geheer" or "getui" if I might just clarify that?  If it's "geheer" I'll accept it, mine is unfortunately not clear.
	Perhaps if I may just ask the witness, did you discuss the matter with any witness?