MR LAX
Well, you see it's a big difference between whether - they don't know what happened in his mind and you don't know what happened in his mind and we don't know what happened in his mind and either he spoke to them or he didn't.  Now that's a fact you can either put to him that he did or didn't speak to them.  What the effect of that was they may not be aware and we certainly aren't aware and you're putting to him that he is fabricating that his mind was changed?