MR STANDER
Mr Chairman, could I just mention something please?  In the meantime it seems among my clients, as if Mrs Jacobs has arrived, she is in the audience.  If I understood my learned friend correctly, he does not have many questions to ask.  We have had the problem thus far that we could not get her here.  She is here now, we can quickly complete her evidence if it will not be a problem to the Committee, while we will not take very long in any case, it will prevent her from returning on another occasion.