HEADMAN DWYALI
He's got a problem.  He now works for the Government.  He's is to scared.  He said to me we are struggling.  He says these are difficult times.  He'll come to the Truth Commission -  give evidence -  give his report -  meanwhile in the audience -  one of his employers is there.  And that would put him in danger - he might lose his job.
So he does not want to give evidence.  He does not want come here.  He says that the guilty people, the perpetrators of  violence were left behind in the location, but it is innocent ones that went into prison, that were tortured - he refused to come.