PHUMULA JOSIAS MANAGA
Let me put it this way.  You must remember that as we were working there you know there is a lot of hustle and bustle, confusion, the torture went on excessively and it was very difficult to, inasfar as the whole group one cannot dispute that so and so was tortured because some of them may have been involved because they were involved in kicking and hitting them.  He might have been helpful.  That is why we are asking for this kind of forgiveness.