MR DU PLESSIS
Mr Chair, I am not certain whether if we are speaking about the correct person.  At a certain stage there was a command with regards to one of the Sebotsas that one of the persons had to be shot due to a problem he had with the police and because he is still having this problem with the police.  I am not sure if it is the same person, it is my instructions that it is, indeed, not the same person, except if I am completely wrong.