MR WILLS
My submission and I can't take it any further Mr Committee Member, is that it was an attempt to - sorry, my submission is that it was simply, there was no love involved, there was clearly no love preceding that, but it was an attempt to simply humiliate and degrade in the most abominable way, a person who was hated for her being a member of the opposite camp.  And I have, with respect, tried to find reference to this, but haven't come up with anything specific, but it is my contention that the, that rape and pillage is a common occurrence in attempts to subjugate people.  I know for example that the, that in Yugoslavia it was a common occurrence.  My submission is that it has been a tactic that has been used to completely destroy the opponent society.