ABEL OUPA KHOTLE
I'm not sure of the names of the farms, what I remember is that one is near the river between Transkei and the Republic of South Africa, after you've passed Walazar.  From Walazar you turn right.  Walazar is in the Transkei and you turn right.  It is within the - it is near the river where Walazar was and it bordered South Africa and Transkei.  The other one is from the direction - it's near Cuthbert which is in the Transkei.  Also from Cuthbert you turn left.  That is the explanation I can offer about these farms.  The other one is near bluegum, then from there you cross the river, then the farm is just near the river.  That is the only explanation I can give in terms of the description of these two farms.  Unfortunately I don't have sufficient details to offer this Committee.