N JACK MENERA
The first reason, according to our knowledge and the education that we were given, or the instruction that we were given by the same person Mr Phelane, this is what we knew.  If you were a member of the organisation at the time of the struggle, if I was to resign from the ANC, Mr Phelane taught us that the person who is resigning will have to be eradicated from the community, he would have to be killed because he's a sell-out. This is a lesson that we received from the same Mr Phelane.  Now his teachings got into our heads, everything he taught us was practised and we were doing in turn what he taught us to do.
	I have explained that there are policemen who (end of tape)...and that their houses were burned Mr Phelane knew very well and he knew indeed and I am sure...(intervention).