MR STEWART
Yes indeed Mr Chairperson.  I would submit that they do, and that is the explanation given by Mr Luthuli about that incident, is that in particular that was a demonstration.  That was in Claremont, it was an IFP area, or at least an ANC area, IFP was very weak in that area, and that was a demonstration that, we are still here, you can't mess about with us and we won't be insulted, we have a presence and you must watch out.  That's very much the kind of explanation that was given, and perhaps I can ...(intervention)
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