FERDINAND BARNARD
I think that's obvious, in order to establish a cut-off point.  You must remember that Verster and Luitingh at no stage were aware of the fact that I knew their identities, according to them there was an absolute watertight cut-off point, that being themselves.  I had a pager of one David Klopper, with which I contacted Lafras Luitingh.  I knew him as Louis Yssel and I had a pager by which I contacted him, which was registered in the name of David Klopper.  I believe it was to establish a cut-off point.  And I think that is also the reason why I was handled in such isolation, as an individual unit, I alone.