CHAIRPERSON
I think Mr Mpshe, the witness has said that he didn't really know too much about the PAC, he was a supporter but he had little knowledge, in his own words, so now whether he does or doesn't know what the great storm was, not too much is going to swing on it because of his own admission that he knew very little.  He said he was a supporter and wanted to get military training but he didn't know much about the organisation.