SISI KHAMPEPE
His sister did.  She didn't know the particular methods that were used.  I mean whatever evidence she gave was hearsay.  He wasn't there personally.  Re-phrase your question maybe to find out why he is applying for amnesty in respect of the persons that he, in his main application and his subsequent supplementary affidavit he said he never assaulted.  Maybe you should approach it that way.