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assumptions which I made and I think his brother who was 
also in a programme sometime ago, also said that he had said so, but it has never been proven to me in a 
court of law.  I never enquired about this, I left the unit, I did not want to be there any longer, and that was 
merely an assumption which I made.
	I have since distanced myself from Vlakplaas and the persons who were there with me, I don't 
even want to be associated with them any more.  The instruction which I received, as I said, came from 
Colonel De Kock who instructed Baker and I assumed that it came from Colonel Van Rensburg because at 
that stage he was in charge of Unit C1.
	Although I just saw that Joe Mamasela alleged that he was involved where General Engelbrecht, 
Nick van Rensburg and I cannot remember who the other person was, were
allegedly involved in the discussions.  I heard about that for the first time when I saw this.  I did not watch 
the whole of Prime Evil because it disturbed me.
	As I said I was under the impression that these operations had been sanctioned by Head Office at 
all times and that the objective was to eliminate anyone who was leaking secret information to the ANC.  It 
was also part of the strategy to combat the ANC and others and it was at a time when the country was in 
turmoil.
	Ngqulunga, I cannot remember exactly how it happened, but it was arranged that he be buried at 
Vlakplaas and his entire family was there.  It is not like where it is being said on the video footage that it 
was an official police burial, it was more of a private burial at Vlakplaas on the mountain, the hill there as 
shown on the footage.
	I can remember Ngqulunga's family and friends were all 
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