ABRAM VAN ZYL
When I was detained in terms of Section 29, Ferdi Barnard was still in detention, and then he came out and I came out and I think the first time I saw him, the first time, I don't think I saw him at the Harms Commission, I did not contact him or go to him, I did not deem it necessary.
	Honestly, I did not need it because I was speaking the truth, that is why.  And I think the first time that I saw Ferdi was with the Webster post-mortem 	inquest that was held.