MS MOODLEY
They sought to protect the organisation and it's numbers.  It's numbers would obviously be impacted upon if you had fragmentation, if you had dissident groups and I'm using the word dissident very, very generously because I don't really know the merits of that particular debate but I'm saying that there is a political objective.  If you want to see to it that your numbers are not being depleted I would submit that that is good and sufficient political objective.