MS KOTZE
I have to answer that in different phases for you again.  First of all as I said before I cannot tell you the exact onset of when his stress initially became abnormal.  Secondly I think all the court cases etc that he was involved in also took their toll.  And thirdly, yes I agree with all of you who have questioned me on that, that these proceedings, these hearings, definitely compounded his stress and I think gave him the final breakdown. But it was not the reason for his stress, it's not the sole reason, it was just the last straw that broke the camel's back. I don't know if I answer your question if I do it like that.