FERDINAND BARNARD
Sir, I think a few men can come here and follow my example.  I was against the TRC process about telling the truth, you could get anybody else who was more rigid than me in my thoughts, maybe Joe Verster, but I cannot tell you how strongly I would tell others to come and tell the truth here, if they still have the opportunity, after what happened to me here.  It is a day and night difference in what I'm feeling now.  I know I will go back to my cell.  From day one when I decided to give evidence here I did not make myself popular with some of my comrades.  It's not about getting amnesty for three-quarters of the things that I was charged with and found guilty of.  I cannot get amnesty and I also did not apply for them in terms of the Act and the description of the Act, but it's not about that, it's about reconciliation and suddenly it became really important and what happened here made it important.  I agree with you a hundred percent and I cannot tell anybody else to come here.
	I was confused at one stage and Mr Calla Botha came to me and I consulted with him and I said to him I do want to do this, but I've got something in me that is very strong and I do not want to testify against anybody else, I do not want to send them to jail.  It's still there, it's not gone.  I do not want them to open the doors in the morning in C-Max and there's 45 of us standing in a row, it's also not reconciliation.  I do not want to send anyone else to jail.  I do not want Joe Verster to go to jail, even for one day.  Today it's about reconciliation and peace of mind.