MR VISSER
Thank you Mr Chairman, there's nothing sinister turns about it - on it.
	You see Mr Mzuzwana, I appear for a gentlemen called Erasmus, that's Colonel Erasmus and by your description it appears that it is probably the person that you're referring to.  Perhaps to make it absolutely clear, while we were in the other hall on previous occasions, did you see Mr Erasmus there - the one that you're referring to, in my company and talking to me?