CHAIRPERSON
Yes, we know that, but that's not what we are dealing with.  And they would prefer to call themselves as repossessing rather than robbing.  We are familiar with that.  The purpose of establishing this informal structure, from the evidence led before us, was to curb crime, crime which was taking place at Manyasene only, crime which was merely perpetuated by criminals, crime which was not committed by people who were undermining the ANC.
	These were acts of criminals and they were not aimed at the ANC, as a community of Manyasene.  These were criminal acts aimed at the community at large.  As such an informal structure was formed.  
	We are quite familiar with the fact that the ANC Youth League and other ANC structures bearing the name ANC, came up in reaction to some of the criminal activities which became prevalent in different areas.  In this case there was no ANC formation, this was an informal structure.  I don't know how I'm supposed to really emphasise my comprehension of this particular aspect of evidence.