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Col Eugene de Kock, I cannot remember the date, 
but it was after two in the afternoon, Eugene de Kock, Col 
Eugene de Kock gave the instructions to take him to 
Vereeniging in his vehicle, it was a Toyota Cressida.  At 
that stage I didn't know exactly what it was all about.  We 
went to a police station near Vereeniging.  As far as I can 
remember, it was the De Deur police station.  
	When we arrived there we met Warrant Officer Duiwel 
Brits.  He was there in a brown Land Cruiser.  Sgt Louw van 
Niekerk, Sgt Leon Floris.  We were outside the police 
station and then another security branch policeman - I know 
he is a security branch in Vereeniging, but I don't know 
him.  He came walking out of the police station with a Black 
askari.  It was the first time that I had seen that 
particular askari. 	Col De Kock told him to come with and 
the security policeman from Vereeniging was then no longer 
with us.  The askari got into the vehicle by himself, into 
Brits' vehicle, he was not forced to get into the vehicle.  
	Col De Kock and I followed the Land Cruiser.  I asked 
De Kock where we were going and he said we were going to 
Penge Mine to find out what the askari had to say. We then 
went from Vereeniging on the freeway as far as Pretoria and 
then on the Witbank freeway.  On the other side of Boschkop 
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