MR CORNELIUS
Mr Chairperson, apart from this aspect that he now places himself on the scene where the weapons had been handed out, he transports these alleged murderers to the scene and he played a very actual role according to his evidence, with all respect and if you look at page 29 to Willem Albertus Nortje's statement, then you see that he says that the following members departed to Chesterville to go and do duty there and then he mentions 10 names and it's a complete list.  What could the reason be why at this stage Nofomela's name had not been mentioned?  He says:  "We departed, the driver ..."  He could say "We departed, the driver of the vehicle was Nofomela" and there was no reason at all to leave out his name and this appears in all the documents that had been handed in at the inquest and this really puts a question mark over his evidence for me.  And if we look at the evidence of Mr Nofomela, I have problems with his political motive.  I think members of the Committee specifically asked about this, but he associated himself almost with the aims of Vlakplaas.  We could maybe try and infer this as a political motive.
	Important, Mr Nofomela was not present when the orders had been given that the comrades had to be killed.  We have evidence that he said:
"Those people will be shot."
This could be interpreted in many different ways.  It could be that the askaris could be shot or it could be that the white members could be shot or it could be that other people could be shot.  It does not necessarily mean that enemies would be shot.  It could be, as it was put, but this is an inference, that he possibly wanted to protect Nofomela.  He did not, he shouldn't be at a scene where a possible shooting could take place.  They go into a flash point in Chesterville where there are serious unrest with active ANC activists and comrades and A Teams and it is logical that it possibly could have been said, but it does not mean that he had knowledge that steps would be taken to eliminate people in a kind of an ambush.  
	If we then - Nofomela cannot remember what Radebe had said.  He said Radebe just said that it would appear to me as if the mission was everything but successful.  It is not the normal type of action to leave survivors.   From the hearings that I had seen, it is definitely not the case. We have the perfect example with the Nelspruit murders where Tiso had been the spanner in the works, to put it this way and he was murdered.  Maybe a miracle that Mr Mbatha's sitting here today.  He was shot 9 times and apparently this was the intention to kill him.  You shoot a person 9 times if you want to kill someone.  There are other people who have been killed 20 times, the other people 15 times and it appears to be a very serious attack.  It was undoubtedly a very serious attack, we cannot doubt this, but something happened to trigger this off.  There is a very interesting allegation that, I don't think you missed it, that one of the people's machine guns had gone off too quickly and this appears in one of the statements and it wasn't brought up by my learned colleague.  It's a point.  Something happened that then triggered off this incident.  If it had been a shot from inside the so-called shack, or an uzi that had been triggered off too quickly, but something happened that then led to an incident that was not planned.