MR NORTJE
That is correct.  Mr De Kock then told us that the weapons which we had in our possession at Vlakplaas and other weapons, which we had already delivered at the Police College, we had to collect these weapons and prepare.  We did not have everything at the farm, the mortar pipes we fetched those at the Police College and during some time, it could have been two weeks, we collected these weapons, and we prepared them for the coup and the handing over of the weapons.  With the run up, as I have said, the run up to the operation, Mr De Kock told me that at some stage he would like to meet Mr Duli.