MR LOWIES
Could you just bear with me please, Chairman.
	Now the document goes further to state that Mtwana Zulu gave you orders from the Madala Hostel in Sebokeng and of importance here is the following; it appears to me then that the person who must have given you something like the money or the groceries was Mtwana Zulu.  My question to you is the following, did Mtwana Zulu ever ...(intervention)