MR WILLS
Yes.  I'm saying the chances are, I know that you've already indicated you don't have previous knowledge, or personal knowledge.  Well let me phrase it another way.  Do you know of any other person other than yourselves, the applicants in this matter in other words, the five applicants, that's Gen Steyn, Col Botha, Mr du Preez, Mr Steyn and yourself and those people at the safe-house in Verulam, C 20, who had anything to do with the two abductees from the 7th of July till the time of their death>?