LAURENS MBATHA
With the recollection actually of the events yesterday, I did indicate there was a certain stage where I was a bit uncertain - my presence in the room, when I recollected the events properly on that particular day, I was - I did actually indicate it even yesterday, I was not in the very same room.  And the reason for that as indicated, was basically that I'm not supposed to be interfering what Smiles is saying on the other side.  Yes, it was in the same building but not the same room.