MR MBANDAZAYO
Thank you Mr Chairperson.  Except with the question of remorse, Mr Chairperson.  I know that it's not a requirement of the Act but of course Mr Chairperson, I've discussed with the applicants about this matter, Mr Chairperson.  They - we were of the view that they will be - I was going to approach the legal representative of the families, they wanted just to talk to them separately about his matter.