MR LAMEY
Very well.  Then Mr Nortje says further that it is his recollection and in the amnesty application you mention that the impression was created that Duli upon his own initiative, wished to speak to you and for that reason the meeting was arranged at Jan Smuts Holiday Inn.  Mr Nortje says that it is his recollection that you, from your side, also wanted to speak to Duli and that was also one of the reasons for this meeting at the Holiday Inn?  Specifically according to his recollection, you wanted to know whether or not you could advise him with regard to the execution of the coup, but that Duli wasn't really accommodating to that advice that you offered, that was during the meeting at the Holiday Inn, the Jan Smuts Holiday Inn?