CHAIRPERSON
And we do not consider that the letters as such are of any assistance to us, they are not affidavits, the signatures not confirmed - it could be anything.  But we do think it would be of great assistance to us and to your client why Mr Letlapa Mphashlele to come here and give evidence, to tell us as well as the more senior members of APLA what the views of APLA were, what their plans were and matters of that nature.  We have throughout these hearings heard junior ranking people who tell us what they've been told by others but I think and I think I speak for the whole Committee, it would be of great assistance to have a more senior responsible person, who from the letters he writes, obviously still takes a keen interest in these people, to come and assist us and the applicants by telling us what the position is and I don't know if you can make arrangements in that regard?