ADV DE JAGER
Can somebody please explain to me; we have got a statement here headed "declaration".  It may be that it is Annexure A to the application.  That is a statement made by the applicant on the 24th of March for - and it contains a brief description of the violation of human rights. So this statement was made for the HRV Committee.  How did it come that a statement that should be completed by a victim, was presented to the applicant and how it had come that he had completed this statement, because this statement has nothing to do with amnesty but has everything to do with reparation and rehabilitation.