MR BRINK
Mr Chairman, I hesitate to interrupt but before proceeding to the next incident, I wonder if it wouldn't be better if Mr Memani shouldn't lead his witness to bring out more relevant aspects.  To go into fine detail about setting gloves alight and making a mistake and burning your own fingers and that - is it really relevant to these proceedings?  We'll be here for weeks.  If he were to control his witness - he knows what he wants from his witness.
	Any further detail might come out in the hands of my learned friend Mr Visser who's cross-examining.  I don't believe it's necessary to allow the witness to go on in fine detail - each go home - different directions then they meet again and - get from the witness what is necessary for the purposes of this application.  It will shorten the proceedings.