MR LANDMAN
Mr Chairman we submit that that finding alone would be sufficient for purposes of this application.
	Mr Chairman the ground upon which the Committee would certainly not grant amnesty is if it were to be established that the applicants were acting for personal gain or out of personal malice, ill will or spite.  This we'll deal with briefly in paragraph 25 on page 19.  Mr Chairman none of the (indistinct) has been, was suggested to them at the hearing and our submission is that it is clear from the evidence alone that they were carrying out orders, that this was a military operation and that is the proper, that explains the motivations behind the acts.  Mr Chairman it is therefore our submission that the applicants have satisfied their requirements for amnesty and that they ought therefore to be granted amnesty in terms of the act.
	Mr Chairman unless there's anything specific, those are my submissions.