MR VISSER
Yes, but I must concede Mr Chairman, that I gave rise to the uncertainty because I misunderstood it myself.  Yes.  Would you then look at page 1 of Exhibit K?  You applied for amnesty for the abduction or man stealing or the unlawful arrest of Mr Mbuso Shabalala, the unlawful detention or deprivation of liberty of both Mr Ndaba and Mr Shabalala, the murder of both these gentlemen and well, what weapons were used at the time to assassinate Mr Ndaba and Mr Shabalala?