MS JELAL
Okay.  Those are my submission regarding applicant number 1.  As regard applicant number 2, it is submitted that there were discrepancies between the written statement and the verbal submissions, however, the applicant did endeavour to fill in the loopholes which seem to be reasonable explanations.  However, Mr Chairperson, I've been asked by the family to put forward to the applicant the trauma that they have suffered.  We have four women left without a husband, that being Mr Mthembu, he had four wives, of which were born 26 children.