MR NOMPOZOLO
Thank you counsel.  The situation is, the evidence is to the effect that when Luwana went to Nqoya and said that Brigadier Gqozo wants to see you, he announced it and he said to them give me your grievances, I'm going to take them to Brigadier Gqozo and their grievances, Mr Chairman, were pensions and their future.  So there is no evidence that Nqoya was told that Brigadier Gqozo must resign.  It was so easy for them to do that, to say he must resign because they were not going to communicate with him directly.