GEORGE BIZOS
With one difficulty, judge, and that is this, that we have reason to believe that the friendship between Mr Clark and Mr and Mrs Derby-Lewis continues, and we do have no reason to believe that we will get any information from Mr Clark.   What we would like to put to Mr Clark is what we have been told by Mr Visser.    If that evidence is not placed on record, then it's theoretically possible to put it to Mr Clark first.   If we are correct in our assessment that he's likely to deny the allegations, then we would have to, or ask the committee to call Mr Visser in order to confirm the things that we have to put to Mr Clark, and this is why we thought that the order would be then more appropriate to have Mr Visser's evidence and then put whatever he may have said to Mr Clark.