MR DU PLESSIS
But Mr Chairman, with respect, we are going into the details of those incidents as well now.  My learned friend doesn't know the contents of those applications and if he's going to ask Captain Bokaba about those incidents and how it happened, we'll have to go into the exact detail of how Maake was abducted in Mamelodi, how Makupi was abducted, how Sefola was abducted, how it happened, where they were taken etc.
	What I'm trying to place before the Committee is something that you have heard in evidence before of other applicants and that is that this incident happened in Hammanskraal according to the amnesty 
application of Captain Bokaba and the other incident ...[intervention]