MR SAMUEL
Now let's go back to this point where Ms Ntombi was becoming suspicious because she hadn't seen the four people that she had given you - the there people that she had given you all, and she wanted to see one of the persons.  You mentioned that you all had your own discussion, could you just elaborate on that, was the discussion just between yourself, Mr Radebe and Mr Dube, or were your seniors involved at that stage?