FERDINAND BARNARD
I didn't know what evidence the State possessed during my arrest, which persons would say that I made unlawful admissions, I didn't know what was going on with regard to that.  Furthermore, I didn't trust anybody because I found myself in a situation where I was locked up.  The same persons who provided hundreds of thousands of rands for my defence with, for example, the inquiries and the post-mortem inquiries into Dr Webster's death, were not available or accessible anymore.
	I knew that I was being handled in a unique way.  I had no substantiation for any disclosure made in an amnesty application.  With regard to Lafras Luitingh and Joe Verster there was a typical CCB conspiracy against me after Joe had walked the whole way with me.  You will remember that I was contacted by means of Mr Luitingh and I was brought to the Braamfontein Protea Hotel and a document was shown to me and the effect of the words which were typed on that page were that he denied any knowledge or involvement of or in the matter.  He pointed at it with his finger and told me that that was his attitude.  
	All of those things built up to the time that I was arrested.  All along everyone denied everything and all of a sudden Joe Verster and the others incriminated me during the post-mortem inquest.  I didn't have someone in the system, such as Calla Botha or Slang van Zyl who could support me.  They were always with me on a one on one basis.  
	I had a background of crime, I had been in prison, so I was discredited to a great extent.  And if I were to disclose or expose everything in an amnesty application, all the Defence Force had to do was to deny it, which is what they did.  Theuns Kruger said: "I don't know what the man's talking about, come and look at my office, I'm an auditor, look at my books" and there I would be and then there would be allegations and incriminations against me and the chances were very good that they would turn around and testify against me again if charges were brought against me.  
	I had absolutely no substantiation.  I didn't have a rigid proforma which could substantiate my presentation or the approval or the budget that I received, there were no signatures.  I was handled in a unique way and that made me afraid and uncertain because I could see that I was standing alone.