EUGENE DE KOCK
Yes, I met him and we began to make arrangements for him with regard to the payment of a salary.  We also appointed him as a source under a false name as a head of a source and if my memory serves me correctly, I obtained two passports for him, of which one had a false name, the other one was issued in his real name.  I think that we also provided ID books, or documents for him, South African ID documents in those names, the same names that the passports had been issued in.  Me and Sergeant Chait who was at C1, were involved in managing Mbotoli, he reported directly to me and I reported to Engelbrecht.