MAMOGALA JACK MKOANA
Yes, exactly. But it is not made of what they have just said yesterday. It is an ordinary bank bag but it has been modified to make it large, in other words, to come through the head and it has got also a rope.  So the deceased was then instructed to put that bag over his head and then he must lie flat at the back seat so that he cannot see where we are going.  And then I kept on following Johan van Eyck until we reached Heidelberg Road, next to the City Deep where we went into the open veld, unused mine dump like.
	On our arrival there there was something like an old mine shaft, like which there was some bins on top.  They then said that the deceased must, Julius Khosa must bring the deceased there, under those bins.  As the deceased could not walk because his head was covered, Julius then helped the deceased to remove the bag off his head in order to lead him down that bush.
	On our arrival there, there was some ropes which seems to me, it seems it was familiar. Maybe to Van Eyck, because he know exactly where we are going to.  There was some concrete hooks which they make originally into this - there was some iron hooks which are made originally into these concrete bins.  He then took out some ropes and said to the deceased he must sit down.  Then he tied his legs.