TESTIMONY_GIVER:
  I think that the problem here, it's the information that's also been related to me.  The person who's got the full information about where he is it's my elder brother.  When he arrived for the first time at the end of 1990 he tried to establish - I think that was the time with him and Chris Hani, they were trying to trace where he was.  That's what gave us the picture and the information that he was somewhere in Transvaal.