MS GOBODO-MADIKIZELA
Well I am glad you mention your wife EAST LONDON HEARING TRC/EASTERN CAPE
38 J J VIKTOR
actually because I think that's important that we understand that humanbeings, people like yourself who have wives and children are normal people, they conduct their normal lives but they can also be callous, insensitive and demonstrate the kind of attitude that you demonstrate.  The reason I ask that question is I've always, I've often had this idea in my mind that some of our problems were related to the very issue of racism in this country and the very idea of an apartheid government which by the way was political, and which means that even your role as a policeman was just not merely a policeman's role but was a political role, because apartheid was a political thing, and the whole attitude around apartheid was political, therefore your operation and your thinking about people, especially Black people in those times, especially a person who came from Soweto, the heart of most of political activism would have those attitudes, and this is why I am asking you that question.