MR VISSER
And I'll tell you why you see, because the evidence so far in the case of Ms Kubheka, is that she was actually abducted from Battery Beach and taken by Wasserman and Botha and others, du Preez, to Winkelspruit, whereas Mr Mbane says that he took her to Winkelspruit after having abducted her from the Kentucky Fried Chicken in KwaMashu.  Am I correct?  I see there are shakes of heads that I am incorrect, perhaps I haven't got it quite right.  Let me just check on that, Chairperson.