UNKNOWN
Honourable Chairperson, with respect if you 
look at the judgment or the statements of the leaders, the climate, 
the happenings in the country, is that what he believed he was 
part of the leadership, he was involved in that.  
	They participated in various processes.  In Krugersdorp for 
example he committed some things, various things were done 
against the Conservative Party.  Koos Botha, there is a dispute 
about that, apart from him, nobody else was repudiated. 
	With respect Mr Chairman, the witness said that he had 
spoken about Dr Treurnicht and he said regarding the aspect of 
killing the anti-Christ, and he said he is not holding it against Mr 
Hani as a person, but against the Communist Party.
	And also the declared policy of the Conservative Party was 
that they would not tolerate a takeover and compare it Mr 
Chairman, with cases which have already served, for example 
cases from the ANC, for example in Messina.
	The ANC themselves decided they take out a leader in the 
name of Mr Lukela and other people.  They have done that with a 
political motive, they have done that to force this government to 
overthrow the government.
	And with respect, it worked, and here the Conservative 
Party said we are going to fight fire with fire, we are not going to 
use conventional methods and he forms part of this.
	They said we have to mobilise, we have to act in a resistant 
way and while this process is in the near future, how else could 
that be interpreted?  It could not have been otherwise, that there 
was a quiet to put it that way, policy that violence could be used.
	What form of violence, that could not be prescribed.  In any 
war situation, in any violence committed during war, in a bush 
war and underground activities, you cannot expect otherwise.  
Just as in the case of Police when they killed various people.