MR BLACK
My position is that the name of Hendrik Masupa has arisen during the course of this evidence for the first time. I have in the short adjournment been in contact with Mr Masupa's employer, and every attempt is going to be made to get him to attend the hearing.  I would like to first consult with Mr Masupa before putting questions to the applicant.  And I will use, while waiting for Mr Masupa, I will also consult further with the victims.