CHAIRPERSON
I do not know, Mr Visser, whether we can cross over and go to him.  I think that Mr Isaacs told us he was going to fetch for us a statement which was made by Mr Smiles and he identified the statement for us and he has given us the statement.  I think you should proceed on the assumption that it is the statement in question and then maybe go on and, you know, put questions to the witness.