CHAIRPERSON
But I think that you must draw a distinction between whether he is a loyal member, whether he is a painstaking member, or whether he is just a nominal member, that follows the organisation, whatever the organisation decides.
	He probably takes no part in the decision making process of his organisation, but he is just a hanger on of the organisation, that could be so, you see?  My colleague here puts it to you on this basis.
	He is not saying that your family were gangsters, he merely says his instructions were to attack the gangsters, because gangsters were attacking PAC members.  He was taken to a house and he was told that this is where the gangsters were.  That is the basis on which his case rests, do you understand?
	He relies on Tinage as the man who led them to this house.  Tinage is not here, we don't know whether that is the truth, we don't know whether Tinage was at your house on that day or not.  So there are gaps.  We have to listen to his story and we are listening to you, but I think that because you are well informed about your organisation, because you are a publicly interested man, there is a likelihood that you are better informed than he would be.  He has had a modicum of education, maybe he doesn't follow the gossip in that area well, and so on, we make some allowances for that.
	Is there anything new that you would like to get from this witness Ms Goso?