MR VAN ZYL
No, I cannot comment on what the reason is for the charge against Dr Basson regarding the monkey.  I'm telling you that I do not know of any five point plan regarding this project.  I was not involved in the previous plans and also not the later plans, all that was asked of me is what I've given evidence to and if Mr Barnard has further knowledge, then it is his right to give evidence regarding this.