MR BRINK
And if an applicant says, notwithstanding the fact I was convicted, whatever the basis of my conviction was, I was convicted of murder and housebreaking.  I did not commit murder.  Then the application is hopeless.  It does not matter what basis he was found guilty.  He has to tell you that he either the committed the crime and the reason for it or if he says, well, I did not commit it that is the end of the matter.  As far as that aspect of his application is concerned, but as far as the housebreaking is concerned, it may well be that if you accept the evidence relating to the motive for going to the farmhouse and stealing firearms you may well consider that to be done with a political objective which is confined only to the housebreaking and robbery and I make no point about the fact that they took money and jewellery as well, because I think it would be fair to assume and in this regard I agree with my colleague, Mr Lourens, that taking money and jewellery would enable them to exchange or purchase arms in exchange for the jewellery and use the money to that end and the balance of the money to support themselves while they were on duty in the townships.  So I make no point of personal gain and those in effect are my submissions relating to these applications.