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That doesn't help the application and you, sitting as a judge, say well come with clean hands before you come and - come with clean hands if you want to ...(indistinct) from me.  But what happens is that these brothers in arms, they have ever since the Harms Commission tried, albeit unsuccessfully, to lie and still remain in step with one another as far as they possibly could.  For people to come with this sort of untruth and this sort of contradiction and say you've heard no argument as to how this line came to be given to you.  You say well, you know, never mind about the details, just give us summaries, after all we've got enough to make an application for amnesty and if you don't give us amnesty you're going to be seen as unfriendly to our cause, whatever that may be.  We submit that that is not what the Act requires and where you make an application which you do not know whether or not it is going to be opposed and they might have guessed but they didn't know.  You have a duty to the court, as you know Mr Chairperson, in your judicial capacity, about the importance of making full disclosure of all relevant facts in ex parte applications.
	Have I given you the references to 29.8 Mr Chairperson?