MR MALAN
My question is directed at something else.  My question is actually what is the grounds on which you say that there were gatherings countrywide?   The applicants said that according to their knowledge and perceptions, there were other gatherings within the Volkstaat area, but you are certain about the fact that there were gatherings all across the country.
	You first talk about the four republics, and the Cape was included and everywhere there were people gathering.  Where would the war then start or begin?  The evidence and you were at the Trim Park, is that we will start from a small place and we will then continue and later Mandela will then come and beg for a piece of land.  How are you so sure that they gathered all across the country?