CHAIRPERSON
I think this is not a very apt example because we know at that stage there was a rift amongst the Boer people, the Afrikaner people - I don't know what term to use without offending anybody, but there was that rift and at the heart of the rift, from what I can understand, was this whole question of a Boer nation, volk, having their own start and all that sort of thing and then we get the situation where a person is standing up and is now making a statement that goes to the very heart of the one faction's beliefs in respect of their nation, namely the Covenant, one of the most sanctified elements of their culture.  So there is that political element in it.  It is not just a question of somebody who is heterosexual and somebody who is not and somebody being offended by somebody else's sexual orientation.  There is no sort of political element there whereas in this case, as the applicants have testified, they felt extremely strongly about this and they saw it as a threat, a threat to what they believed in politically, also of course religiously, but there was that political element.  And Mr Terre'blanche did concede in his argument, he said there was a political element, but I concede that there was also a large measure of religious motivation because in their ...(indistinct) it was difficult to separate the religion from the politics in that particular situation.