CHAIRPERSON
The other considerations that we normally take into account are matters like there are other people who also are interested in this matter.  As you can see, there are quite a number of people present here, there are two further lawyers, apart from Mr Webster and Ms Patel, who are here and we must take all of those factors into account when we deal with these matters, so that's why we want to make sure that what we are doing is assisting your case but it's not doing harm to the interest of the other people.  So these matters, unfortunately, always also concern other people whose interests we must take into account, so we're trying to be fair to everybody.  But we're not blaming you for anything, I'm just mentioning to you how we should look at these matters.