MR PHOSA
That is correct Mr Chairman.  I appear on behalf of the families of Mthimkhulu and the Madaka family - Madaka.  There is a problem - I got instructions only over the weekend, this past weekend, for reasons - very good reasons that I could explain.  In the circumstances we ourselves would require until after lunch hour, about 2pm, to be able to determine our position so we do need the morning portion.