TESTIMONY_GIVER:
 No, it was a certain Mr Ntuli.  It's Mr Ntuli who said it was difficult for them to investigate the matter and they were doing all that was in their power to go on with the investigation and they started to fear for their lives.  It was Derek Ntuli and Sergeant Xulu.  They said they had problems with this case.  They never detailed what the problems were, but they said their lives were at stake.  And I asked them as to how could their lives be at stake when they were so young and I do not understand what they were telling me.  They said they had tried all that was in their power, but there was an irresistible force that was preventing them from going on with the investigation.  They told me that they had been taken out of the case and they had been told to stop investigating the matter.  They did say they had problems.