LUTHANDO DYASOPHU
Yes, another thing is this one of Hlongwane.  Recog, we phoned Recog, but Hlongwane was not there.  When Hlongwane came back home, fortunately or unfortunately I was not in Johannesburg, I was in Cape Town that time, trying to deal with this case of Sipho Phungulua.
	Now, when he came there, these other guys I was with, that is Twala and others, around Johannesburg, they tried to okay, to introduce him to Recog, but he said no Recog is too lenient to the ANC, he is going to form his own organisation and that he did.
	I want you to believe that I have got nothing to do with Hlongwane, Recog had nothing to do with Hlongwane and actually Hlongwane doesn't know me personally.  I never met him, maybe I am lucky.
	When we were in Quattro, he was in Quattro, but in Quattro  inmates don't see each other.  If you are in this room, you don't see people in that other room, and so it so happened that while he was in Quattro, I was in another cell.
	And now here back home, when he was in Johannesburg, I was in Cape Town at that time, and after that when I came back from Cape Town to Johannesburg, he was in Durban and ever since he has been, so he said that we are lenient towards the ANC, we still have some sentiments for the ANC and yet he would like to curse, so we said, no, no, this is not the way.