MR GORDHAN
So that evidence was on oath, there was cross-examination on the part of the legal representatives of the other side.  Secondly, I think you've had a fair balance of exposure to facts both from Mr Botha and others and the benefit of the questions and these huge piles of documentation available and thirdly is unfortunately, even if we start that now, I don't think we'll finish before the end of today and I'm afraid I'm not actually available to stay over until tomorrow.  So those are the reasons so that you don't think that I'm slighting the Committee in any way.