MR VISSER
Just to continue, with regard to obvious contradictions in bundle 1 page 85, there Mr Ras, before withdrawing his application, gave his version of the events and I just want to refer you to the fact that on page 85 he refers to a person who was placed, or whose legs were placed in plaster of Paris.  Perhaps I should read it Mr Chairman, page 85, some distance down, Mr Ras says:  Well, perhaps I should ...(intervention)