MS VAN DER WALT
Sir, I expressly asked you what your order was.  You said that you had to go and kill Mr Msibi, that you had to establish Self Defence Units.  I asked you whether that was all and then you said yes.  I asked you whether or not you were certain and you answered that you were certain.
	You cannot tell this Honourable Committee now, that to kill somebody and to disarm somebody, would be one and the same thing?