CHRISTOFFEL PIERRE VAN DER WESTHUIZEN
Yes, that's correct.  The Chief of the Army, after the plan was presented to him by me, sent one of his officers to Port Elizabeth.  And at the stage when Katzen was referred to the Chief of Staff and a Project Officer was appointed, both of those officers, Chief of the Army and the Chief of Staff had to monitor and control or exercise monitoring and controlling functions on behalf of those bodies.