MR VISSER
All right, well, let us step off that paragraph then and go to the next.  We come now to this discussion which is the point which we reached on your application form, before we went to Exhibit B.
	You say in Exhibit B, you say there were discussions held with Mr Taylor and Lawrie Wasserman.  The three of us, the three members from Vlakplaas that is, our three members of Vlakplaas, or us three members of Vlakplaas, McCarter, Bosch and yourself.