FERDINAND BARNARD
It certainly must be a crime if you frame someone with an arms cache, because those aren't the persons who are really accountable for the charge.  I did that.  And then there were attorneys from Pretoria who smuggled with Trust money.  I knocked them with a swindle of R20,000 and I gave Vlakplaas members R5,000.  Four of them received R5,000 and one received R10,000.