ADV DE JAGER
(Indistinct), I'm not sure.  Could we just have a look at a sentence of the sentence of this particular witness before you - where's the sentence?  Number 13 is on page 203 it seems.  Okay, no, I only want to say that three counts were taken together for purposes of sentence.  And I had the problem that this is a legal problem so, we'll have to deal with that, what would the effect be for instance if one of the counts are not proceeded with for amnesty.