LESTER DUMAKUDE
To go back to my reasoning of Ellis Park, these were the people with the vote.  Soldiers are soldiers because of that vote.  Here it was for them, not to kill them as I've indicated, this is totally not the policy of the movement, was not the policy of the movement as it is still standing but these are the civilians with the vote.  It's not only soldiers that are voting and if you want to cut the hand that feed the soldier, cut the hand that support the Government, make them aware that they are not protected.  Here it's a question of protection.  We're fighting to have a say in this Government and I think we did achieve that.  Other people were voting to deny us that opportunity and it was their vote.  Our parents they were paying tax but people were having the vote to control this tax.  They were not concerned, this was the reason.  Take this to the people who were having the vote, make them aware that this vote - if they are not going or if they are not using it the correct way, one day it will be beyond the leadership's control in the sense that people on the ground at times they act according to the prevailing situation.  It is nice to come and say he was not supposed to act like that but if you are in the situation by that time you might have also taken the same decision.  That's why I'm saying you are in the position to sit down and analyze.  It was bad, sure, the situation by that time it was like that but today it's a different situation.  I think we have got the chance to sit around to peruse our past.  This was what I was fighting for and I think unfortunately, I'll also apologize, unfortunately it's not only on the other side.  If you can go to Soweto you ask any parent who lost a child how does it feel.  It's the same.  We're not all here but at least to listen to our past.  That's the reason.  I didn't intend to kill civilians.  The explosive was placed there for them to exercise or for them to remind the Government that if the Government of the day is protected, they are not protected, this thing is happening now at their doors.  Thank you Chairman.