MR SMUTS
The veracity of either is critical though, with respect.  With respect, Mr Chairman, would you grant me the indulgence of pursuing this through another two or three questions and then I think the groundwork, the basis of my approach would become apparent.
	Is it correct Mr Hermans, that in your confession to the Magistrate, there is no reference to Mr Costello or your seeking to identify a victim linked to Mr Costello?