CHAIRPERSON
But I think, Mr Verster, if you can just please bear in mind that Mr Bizos is now questioning you.  If you could answer the question, it's a fairly simple question and if you could just listen and answer.  He asks - he's got a right to cross-examine applicants on behalf of victims.  If you don't wish to answer a question, or you refuse to, you can say so, but please let's not have this in-fighting.  Mr Bizos ...