JOHAN MARTIN VAN ZYL
It's a long time, Mr Chair.  In this case I think Mr Gold is mistaken, Mbazwana does not ring a bell with me at all concerning this operation.  I can remember specifically that we were at Pongola, we had coffee, I imagine that Brig Visser had a flask of coffee with him and we drank coffee, which we shared with the deceased and I remember it as Pongola.