GIDEON JOHANNES NIEUWOUDT
I can't deny that, but all that I know is that Mr 
De Kock went round to his house, if I remember correctly, he 
collected his moonbag, greeted his wife and it was then that I met 
his wife for the first time and from there we departed.
	Because how would I have gotten there, I didn't have 
transport at my disposal and I didn't personally know Mr Waal du 
Toit at that stage.