MR GORDHAN
Chairperson, I'm unfortunately now tempted to say to Mr Botha that I've been an ANC operative from the early '70s.  You've had me in detention three times as the security branch in Durban for a period of over a year in solitary confinement and until that moment you didn't find out anything about me and my involvement in the ANC, so let's just leave the question of sophistication there.
	I again put it to you, Mr Botha, that that flat provided you with no detail on the question of the operation.  All you found there was general political literature about the underground, the role of the underground, the role of political and military struggle and structures and that your real information came from a host of disks and documentation that you picked up elsewhere?