MR STANDER
That's correct Mr Chair, that is correct.  He said that he didn't see them because the policemen who held him were two others, not Motsamai and Ngo.  The only reason why this testimony is placed before you is due to the fact that Motsamai and Ngo testified about this, that's the only reason.
	I can't - the Committee can make no deductions from this testimony, it is only in addition to the earlier testimony.