MR VISSER
Chairperson, just perhaps in the interest of going a bit quicker perhaps, could it just perhaps be cleared with this witness when he talks about 1985 and 1987, when he talks about the unit, what he's actually referring to.  Is he referring to this information unit or is he referring to the Security Branch at Ladybrand.  There may be, and I put it no higher than that, there may be a confusion.