MR KAHANOVITZ
Mr Chairman, might I point out, there appears to be another problem with this line of cross-examination.  On Mr Barnard's version he says he only made the report to Mr Luitingh a few days after the 1st of May, in other words Mr Luitingh only knew then that Barnard had been involved, whereas on Mr Botha's version the meeting that was convened was on the 2nd of May.