MICHAEL BELLINGAN
There's only three things that I'd like to point out to the Committee.  Then I say further over here on the same page
"It's not exactly the type of thing ...(indistinct) the skeleton.  To flesh it out is difficult and to remember stuff over I mean, 20/15 years ago ..."
etc., etc., etc.  And then Jan's response, on page 4 he says:
"Ja"
I say:
"So it is a process which needed yourself and Kobus."
He says:
"Ja"
Myself:
"To go through it step by step.  It hasn't really happened."
		"Ja"
He says.
"I mean he's - I'll see if I can contact him today and see what he's doing uhm, but I think ..."
Then he goes on like that.  Then on page 8, Mr Chairman, at counter 106, sort of three quarters of the way down the page, I say:
"But I mean, by the time I've sat with Kobus and yourself and fleshed out the whole thing, I may have mentioned 200 names and that's all background to the murder.  So they will all need due notice.  It's getting more and more complicated."
Jan says:
"Ja, and knowing that ..."
etc., etc., etc.  In other words, he's in agreement.   Then on page 11, Mr Chairman, at counter 141, I say:
"Because I received a notification a long time ago, last year, for that skeleton that I submitted."
Jan says:
"Ja, ja"
I say:
"Uhm, so obviously it's right that they've accepted it as such, because other people here have received letters back saying you've neglected to answer this question or that question or whatever.  It's urgent, it's with a sense of urgency that four or five people have received such letters here ..."
etc., etc., etc.  
	The point that I'm making is that Mr Kjellberg is in agreement with me, that I submitted a skeleton application, it needs to be fleshed out, I need to get an attorney to flesh it out, and at no stage during the conversation does he bring to my attention that in fact he's already sent such a fleshing out to the TRC, and at no stage in March had the TRC informed me that they'd received such a thing.  
	So Jan, during this conversation, only offered me assistance in getting this document fleshed out, never was it brought to my attention that this has apparently already been done.  He only offered me assistance in getting that done.  So the impression - I mean there wasn't even a question in my mind about this other discussion document then, it never occurred to me that that may have been sent to the TRC by Mr Kjellberg, and also he doesn't bring it to my attention and neither does the TRC.  
	So the impression I still had, or had in March was just as I've had all along, and that is that my skeleton application needed to be fleshed out with an attorney - there are other references in here too, and to be sent in as a formal submission, Mr Chairman, which in fact did happen.