MR NORTJE
I didn't know about the first incident, Mr De Kock told me about it afterwards, and he also told me who had been involved.  After this, according to what I can recall, they were the key role players in the organisation of the weapons, and according to me they knew everything, or at least the incorrect impression may have been created by Mr De Kock, I can't say for sure, but that is what I saw.