MR KEMP
Mr Chairman, the legal representatives amongst themselves have agreed, subject to your approval, that the following witness should be Mr W A L du Toit.  Subsequently Mr De Kock, the technical people involved.  If that should meet with your approval, I will ask that we just adjourn for about five minutes, because the witnesses have to reassemble on that side for the ease of the interpreters.  So we will have to move to that side.  Thank you.