MR DORFLING
You see Mr Moolman the reason why I am asking this is Mr Kruser was asked specifically as to what the nature of the instructions were and he was quite clear that the retaliation from security guards were to be aimed at persons whom the security guards saw shooting.  I am referring to page 2882 at lines 22 to 25 of the record Mr Chair.  That was Mr Kruser's evidence that the understanding was that the guards would be firing at people amongst the crowd who they see shooting.