MR BERGER
Mr Mbele, I'm trying to ascertain how far this armoured vehicle was from your group.  Now you spoke about ten metres, not in that context admittedly, I'm not holding you to that and you spoke about 250 metres.  So you know the difference between a very small distance and a very large distance, 250 metres is much larger than ten metres.  I'm not holding you to exact metres but what I'm saying to you is, if the large group, the hundreds of people that you joined was approximately ten metres away from the corner of Bafukeng and Thembu Streets then it means that that large group was not far from the road, the tarred road, that runs next to the factories which is Nobel Boulevard.  Would you agree with that?