GEORGE BIZOS
No it's not what you said, it's what Mr van Zyl said that may be of greater importance.  Now you also didn't single out Lubowski, Anton Lubowski, when I asked you about paragraph 405.  You said you didn't remember anything - you didn't remember whether this was during your period of stewardship of the CCB.  Do you recall that?  Were you telling the truth when you said that?