MR KNOETZE
And then page 131, paragraph 3, that is the application of Diedericks
"Not all of us had weapons but Phil Kloppers gave Etienne Visser and Martin van der Schyff each a pipe shotgun (home-made shotguns).   These pipe shotguns were given by or provided by Japie Oelofse.   I only had a baton."
Can you see that?