MR DREYER
Mr Chairman, with the greatest of respect, I think my learned friend is confused between two different statements.  The person who apparently spoke about the stealing of weapons and ammunition was Mr Eugene Terre'blanche.  What I referred to on page 637 was this very own witness's evidence in the criminal proceedings that he received an instruction from Oelofse to obtain weapons as it is stated in Afrikaans "the order was for us to obtain arms and ammunition for the time ahead".  That is obviously in connection with the video material.