ISGAK HARDIEN
He was at my house and he came to tell me that he was from the TRC, and then I said to him: "No, I don't trust you."  He returned, probably after a week and then I asked him, before we went to any office: "Listen, you said you're from the TRC, I've seen it on the TV, I've seen it in the papers, all the people, I've seen this thing about amnesty, where do I fit in?"  Then he asked me whether I would be prepared to accompany him to the offices because he would assist me.  And that is how it happened that we went to the office.  And then I found out that he came to me with a whole bunch of stories, because then he wanted to know whether I was ever at certain places and if I hadn't phoned myself, I wouldn't even have known about this business.  I telephone Lynn myself, no-one told me: "You have to be at such and such a place, this is going to be happening."  I used my own mind and phoned people and made enquiries and said: "Listen, I've heard my name on the radio ...(intervention)