MR VISSER
Mr Chairman, if I may come in here, Visser on record.  This very thought has occurred to us already last week and we have asked Colonel Erasmus to attempt to make arrangements so that we - we wanted to know first of all whether we'd have access to the building before we approached you with it.
    At, at this stage there is a problem with the 5th floor, apparently there's legislation declaring an off limits area to to the public.  I'm not sure in what or some such, its got something to do with National Intelligence, Mr Chairman.
    We are attempting, I think Mr Chairman, I am speaking under correction, but we are attempting to obtain permission to enter the 5th floor, that's the one thing, but in any event, what we are attempting to do is to obtain floor plans of each and every floor and to give that at least to you.
    But we are working on getting us into the building there's just a problem with the 5th floor as I understand the position to be at the moment but we're working on that very issue Mr Chairman.