ADV FORD
I am reading from page 262 in the middle.  While we 
were having a braai here in Port Elizabeth with Carl Edwards and 
others, he also discussed this matter.  Carl Edwards mentioned that 
the operation was done with money by the ANC.  They intercepted 
the money and channelled that to the State.  That was the instruction 
by P.W. Botha and if they defected to the ANC, this would lead to 
embarrassment for the Security Police and the government because 
of the large amount of monies entering the country in support of the 
ANC and other organisations, that was the only counter-measure to 
prevent these donors.  And it resulted in only new cheques being 
written and when these cheques - an d it could be assumed that they 
used the money for their own gain.  And that would cause that no 
further donations would be made to the organisations.   I did not 
have any knowledge of any monies of this kind which was meant for 
the treasurer.  Were you aware of such procedure, such an 
undertaking or that this was happening?