CHAIRPERSON
I don't think we have that power, but the question doesn't relate to an outside operation.  The question relates to what Mr Verster's reaction or knowledge is to what was contained in this statement of Mr van Zyl.  In other words when he read it, whether it was related to an outside incident or an internal incident is irrelevant.  In fact whether it relates - whether it was the Lubowski incident or not, it is just whether - what is his reaction to this statement made by Mr van Zyl with regard to his involvement.  Does he agree with it?  I think he's already said, as far as he's concerned it's hearsay or opinion.  So you can ask, but we don't want details as to the Lubowski operation.  We are not here to make any finding whatsoever in that regard.