PIETER JOHANN VERSTER
Well I have tried to explain to you.  Information does not come from one point only.  It comes from sources and thereafter the information is disseminated and becomes intelligence and then it is given to me as intelligence.  My training background is that from an operational viewpoint with the information to my availability, I shall make a plan.  The information will say whether it's an A1, A2 or A4 source, so it is only an element from grass roots level which you know Sir, is to be doubted, which comes from a gang member.  It comes from the police as well.  It comes from Military Intelligence.  It comes from National Intelligence and the fact that Mr Omar was appointed Minister of Justice is what his - proves his background, so I was correct.