MS SAMUEL
At this stage we are uncertain, at this stage looking at the evidence we are uncertain as to whose application we should in fact oppose because clearly there are some persons here who did not even know, they just merely followed instructions like the blowing up of the body.  One cannot reasonably expect to oppose such an application because it seemed like it was from higher authority and they made full disclosure.  However, in regard to Mr Visser's application, there might definitely be reason to oppose his application.  In the circumstances, only after listening to all the evidence will we be able to make some certain decision as to our application.