GIDEON JOHANNES NIEWOUDT
That is correct.  I couldn't manage to grab hold of him and I then grabbed the piece of hose, cut off hose and I hit Mr Biko several blows and that immediately stopped him in his tracks and he turned towards me.
	And then Siebert and Beneke then had the opportunity to grab him.  I then joined in and I think at that stage Mr Marx had also joined in.  We then moved, we grabbed Mr Biko and we struggled and as a result of our momentum, Mr Biko's head hit the wall.   He fell onto the floor, and at that stage he seemed to me to be confused and dazed.
	He lay up against the wall.