SISI KHAMPEPE
Whilst you're on that point Mr Stewart, shouldn't we confine ourselves to the evidence that is before us, that's coming from your client, inasmuch as we are aware that in the case of Mr Hlope a different perspective was given in relation to the leadership that Mr Khuzwayo played in Claremont.  Shouldn't we begin by what we have been given by Mr Luthuli so far as his significance as a political activist in Claremont is concerned.  Shouldn't we actually stop there without having to go into something that is not before us.