MR VISSER
Chairperson, the last sentence says and there's another, I did not want to belabour the point but if you turn to page 30, Chairperson, where Botha deals with the situation directly after the arrest.  No, paragraph 30, Chairperson, of Exhibit D where Botha deals with the situation vis-a-vis Shabalala directly after the arrest, he says in paragraph 30 at that stage already the thought that Shabalala might possibly have to be eliminated had already occurred to him.