JEREMY CRONIN
No, it would be very unfair to say that, as Chris Hani correctly reflects in the passages that I've read, there was a mixed track record with the self-defence units.  In our estimation, in many situations without the self-defence units, many, many more lives in townships would have been lost.  It was precisely because there were self-defence units present in townships that we were able one, to prevent huge massacres of our people and we were also able then to expose the third force activities of others.
	So, they played a role but there were certainly cases, serious cases of deviation and of some self-defence units getting out of control and Chris Hani was the first to say so and was certainly the one that got deployed frequently into those situations to instil discipline, to expel people who were simply criminals posing to be self-defence members and so forth.