FERDINAND BARNARD
That is correct, from the Vlakplaas members, but I cannot say that it was used for Boipatong, because I do not know.  What I'm saying is that I made an inference, because there were Zulus involved in the Boipatong and I read about this later in the media, that these weapons had to be delivered for Zulus.  I made the inference that it could have possibly played a role.  If it was true, I do not know, I've got no facts to substantiate it.