CHAIRPERSON
I think what Mr Wessels is getting at, and we've heard this from other applicants here, that there was always this question of a cut-off and that as far as possible a conscious member should not actively involve himself physically at the scene of an incident.  That was a basic general rule.  We know that from Mr Barnard's evidence, he was handled differently, he was employed as, according to himself, as a hitman as such, a person to carry out deeds himself, but the others always had to have this cut-off point, and Mr Wessels is saying your physical participation in the murder of Dr Webster, as a co-perpetrator, was in breach of that general rule that you should not be on the scene.