ADV DE JAGER
...[inaudible] matter whether it's De Jager or whoever white it may be, then I can say okay, if that was your objective, fine, you've told us that's your objective, but the moment you come and say no, we're not going to kill all whites, we're going to kill those whites involved in violence against us.  Then shouldn't you satisfy me that you've acted reasonably in selecting particular victim as falling into that category?