MR PHOSA
Let me save time Sir, because I can argue this later when you are no longer talking.  What I'm putting to you in this, what appears on page 80 for instance - 80, paragraphs 45, 46 and 47 really sums up what was intended, even at these strategic meetings namely the need to give political power to the police in the sense of allowing them sorry, - giving the Government political power, allowing it to politicise the people and winning their hearts and minds, as it says at 47.  That is what appears to me to be the fundamental message being sent here including the need to act secretly, do you interpret it differently?