CHAIRPERSON
Well maybe you need to argue that because I think it can be strongly argued that in the events leading to the murder of one of the accused, his house was attacked and burnt in the same schedule of events and perhaps it can be considered as one event and therefore all crimes that flow from that event may be covered in the application for murder.  I'll tell you why, that when people haven't got a legal background completes such application forms it's not to be expected of them to know what's small or how to deal with different crimes and elements of crimes and therefore perhaps we have a sympathetic attitude towards that kind of thing as opposed to an assault charge where it's a separate incident and where nothing of that incident has been mentioned in the application form we can't even have a generous view like that in that case.