CHAIRPERSON
Yes, I'll certainly ask that we get that judgment.  Of course I'm just raising this with you, a sort of possibility.  We haven't of course decided which way the matter must go.  But assuming your submission is accepted, that your client has qualified and has satisfied Sections 21 and 22 and that takes care of the other counts leaving this particular one with a very insignificant amount in issue.  Unfortunately Mr Hladi isn't here.  We have taken steps to raise him.  	Applicant has indicated to us that Mr Hladi wanted to speak to him so it doesn't appear as if there is any particular bad blood between them at this stage.  Speaking for myself, it does leave one with a feeling of unease, if you have to approach the matter on the basis that that particular count doesn't form part of the material before us now at this stage and that must be taken as a given, that your client is facing that count and that sentence and so on.  But thank you, we will look at that particular matter.  Whatever assistance, other assistance you have, please let us know.