MR J VAN ZYL
Mr Chairman, this person is much more adamant that he knew Colonel Erasmus.  As he said here, he was the commander of the Port Elizabeth Security Branch. Their offices were in Strand Street, Port Elizabeth.
	Colonel Erasmus was aware of the purpose of our visit.  He can remember that, but he cannot remember that he actually met me.  He suspects that it was one Sakkie van Zyl, and I cannot remember that.  That I met him.  I think it is much more likely that he is confusing me, than he is confusing Colonel Erasmus.  It would seem to me.