UNKNOWN
Chairperson, there is a dispute.  I was not involved in the Harms Commission but my learned friend was indeed involved there so I can only go on what he says to me.  I think it would be very unfair if this extract is not the correct version and if I cross-examine the witness on it so at this stage I would propose that it is improbable that we would finish at the end of this week that I reserve my rights with regard to this and then at the following opportunity we shall see if we can obtain a correct version or a version from the Harms Commission's proceedings where there is no dispute and that at that opportunity I question Mr Verster with regard to this incident.