MR NTSEBEZA
And are you still saying, and I understand that was the main tenor, or was the tenor of your evidence when you testified in the civil action in the Supreme Court some years ago, that the police were unable to put a stop to the faction fighting because all they could do was to contain the situation as best as possible until the fighting spirit of the two factions had spent itself?  They must fight until they cannot fight anymore, then till they are tired, then the police can come, say oh ja now you've had enough of fighting, thank you very much.