CHAIRPERSON
Yes.   Now you will recall that when that was put to him, he said as far as he is aware, he only saw Mr O'Farrell, and he saw Mr O'Farrell cocking his gun approaching him, and that there was no-one around Mr O'Farrell at that stage, not the brother nor a small group of people that we are aware, according to the court records, are alleged to have been around and are alleged to have in fact assaulted Mr O'Farrell and dispossessed Mr O'Farrell of his gun.   He has further stated that it was not that small group who dispossessed Mr O'Farrell, it was himself who did that.   Now the brother, as he says, left him in the lurch, so to say, when this thing was going on, he suddenly appeared from nowhere after the shooting had taken place and as they were driving to the police station with his wife, and he doesn't know where the brother was.