MR J VAN ZYL
Mr Chairman, as I said yesterday, if Mr van Jaarsveld has reported to Colonel Gerrit Erasmus, it could not have happened in 1984, because Colonel Erasmus left at the end of 1983.  Then I could not have been here, because I only arrived here in Port Elizabeth in 1984.  And if the person that he suspects was me, if that was real, then Colonel Erasmus could not have been here.  And that person will be able to tell us when - who was here and who he spoke to, but I cannot recollect that, and I don't know if Colonel Erasmus can recollect that.