JEAN DU PLESSIS
I wouldn't say that. It wasn't just four people who came together.  There had been a lot of planning, a lot of correspondence, the Mr Oliver Matthie had already  left for Europe. I suppose one could describe him also as a member because he - even though he wasn't a sworn-in member, he was a member of us.  And the people that he got in Europe, specifically in Italy at that stage, one could also see as members of the organisation.