CHAIRPERSON
Mr Mbandazayo, I'm sorry to be interrupting your witness whilst he is giving evidence.  May I just advise you that we are aware of the submission and may I say a very pregnant submission made by APLA before the Human Rights Violations Committee some time in 1997 and if you are seeking to lead evidence with regard to the existence of the repossession unit and the objectives of that unit, we are fully familiar with those and we wouldn't like evidence to be led in respect of those issues.