MR LAMEY
I think Mr De Kock also operated under the higher ranking hierarchy, but it could also be applicable in his instance, but Mr Nortje, yes, being my client, I would submit it is even more so relevant in his case, being a foot-soldier who does not have access to all the information and haven't been party to the chambers where decision had been made and as many other foot-soldiers often expected, were often expected to be loyal and to carry out orders given to them, yes.