MOKOTEDI MPSHE
Mr Chairman, members of the Committee, before the witness is being led, the applicant is going to testify on the matter on page 44.  I want to remind the Chair and the Committee that there is an implicated person here, Eric Goosen, and that his counsel, George Alberts did approach the Committee in chambers in Pretoria.  I'm made to believe that a ruling was made that he need not be here, and he said if it comes to Cape Town he won't be here but he has no problem that the matter goes on.  He just wanted that to be on record, thank you.