PIETER JOHANN VERSTER
No, I think I understood him one hundred percent.  What happened at ground level if someone wanted to cheat then he could do so under any circumstances but where I could authorise the money was based on what I told you, how it happened then and it was also not a duty from my side it was the individual and his region and a co-ordinator that would then further have to ensure that it was done.  But on ground level you cannot or you could not receive documentation from the criminal that you gave the money to.