UNKNOWN
At  Vlakplaas, you were not treated in terms of your rank.  Eugene de Kock used several 
of his own friends and people whom he trusted, such as Willie Nortje,
Chappie Klopper, people who are now State witnesses and who now work for National Intelligence.  These 
people, Willie Nortje for instance, was also a Warrant Officer and he could not under normal circumstances 
give instructions to a Major or a Captain, but were he to give such instructions, it was considered to have 
come directly from Eugene de Kock.
	We did not receive all instructions directly, verbally from Eugene de Kock.  Sometimes from 
other persons who served under him and whose instructions were considered to have been instructions 
from Eugene de Kock.
PRETORIA HEARING	AMNESTY/