MR VISSER
He was very surprised himself at that stage that it happened, and I said to him that I would phone him back, because it's quite difficult to leave messages where we were at Badplaas, so I phoned him back at a later stage, and at that stage he advised me that Mr Clark was arrested and that, I think he was detained, what I can remember, for 48 hours, and then he was released, and after his release, he asked Commandant Roodt to draw the money for the use for Mr Clive Derby-Lewis's legal fees at that stage, and with consultation with me and Commandant Roodt, I said to Commandant Roodt that we should not allow it, because strictly there was not such an instruction from either General Constand Viljoen, General Tienie Groenewald, and that we should not get involved with this matter before we could establish where does the instructions come from.