MR LAX
Yes.  But in fact he was more directly involved than one realises, and I think we would certainly want to talk to him at some point to confirm that.  I then want to just briefly turn to the other incident, which happened four days later, where, in a very similar operation to the one in which your brother was killed, the five other people whose names were mentioned by the previous witness, that was Sifiso Nxumalo, Boxer Joseph Mthembu, Nkosinathi Innocent Bruce Thenjwayo, and Themba Khumalo and Jabulani Sibisi, were murdered in a similar fashion, almost identical to that in which your brother and his friends were murdered.  And again de Kock's unit was involved in that, Pienaar was involved in that, and - we are still trying to get hold of the inquest records of that particular case, but I understand it was heard quite soon after the other inquest was completed.  