W RIAAN BELLINGAN
As I say, then we are contradicting one another.  I might have said that he is from Lesotho, from Botswana, but just keep to their modus operandi.  These were small technical things which one can debate.  I do not have any documentation in front of me where I can say that this is what I said point by point.  We could have just spoken generally, but in December 1985 and ANC cell was eliminated in Lesotho and we would have used this as a basis from which to say that we are here to replace those men, be it from Botswana or Swaziland.  At that stage I did not know whether the ANC came to the Cape directly from Swaziland.