PROF DE KOKER
So, again, a further statement, repeating the previous statement, but this time under oath with the same incorrect information, then, according to you.  Then, if we could look at the handing over of the memorandum and, again, that is repeated in both statements, but I will restrict myself to the affidavit or to the oral evidence given under oath.  According to the statement on page 14, it starts,
"On the morning of that day we prepared the memorandums.  So, while we were about to leave then came Laurens Mbatha. He came to see to enquire about an agreement he had left with me ...",
and, Mr Chairman, I propose that that was, probably, grenade which was heard and typed incorrectly.
"I then told him it is here, he can have it.  He then said to me, no, because you see I do not have anywhere to put it, I have these tight pants.  Could you do me a favour and come with it to the township and then I will take it there and go and put it away.".
According to this statement, therefore, the hand grenade was not handed to you at the office. Was this statement, given under oath, by Mr Mbakwe, correct?