MR WILLS
I have to concede, Madam Committee Member, that those were, certainly, atrocious murders.  I cannot, in any way, attempt to justify the extent of the brutality of those murders.  I, all I can say is that their, this was a full scale fight that goes on, that went on, that there were a number of people who participated in the actual killings itself and, clearly, in respect of the first applicant, there can be no finding, with respect, against him for that type of activity, in that he is, clearly, was just armed with a firearm.  He simply shot one person on that particular day.
	As regards the second applicant, it is clear, also,  from the evidence of the ...