EMILY FOURIE
Through you, Mr Chair, yes, I have to take you a little bit back in time.  This letter was the 7th of November 1989.  This letter was prompted by an ongoing problem that we had with the security investigation department of Fidelity Guards of whom at the stage, I now want to go back to April 1985, Mr Gerber at that stage did head up this division.  Two of our White members had reported to our office that they had been assaulted by Mr Gerber during questioning, that they had been called into the office individually.  That they had been punched around and in fact they had been kicked in the stomach. There was no visible physical injury, but we decided to take the matter up with the company, and a letter was written to the company in April of 1985. I then had a telephone call and they suggested that I go and see Mr Gerber and discuss the matter with him personally, which I did.  During my discussion with Mr Gerber he didn't admit nor deny that he had assaulted our members, other than to say how else was he supposed to extract information when people were not willing to co-operate.