MOKOTEDI MPSHE
Thank you, Mr Chairman.  Mr Chairman, I just want to respond to what my learned friend has just said in the following way.
	Firstly, it is true that the name of the victim Cassandro was brought to the notice or to the attention of the Truth Commission.  Number two, it is true that he has not been informed.  But the reasons therefore are as follows; that the investigative unit tried to trace Mr Cassandro and when they came back to me they said when Mr Cassandro was in Kimberley when this incident took place, the only address they had, is that he was staying in an hotel and they 
cannot trace him any further.  That closed the matter.  
	Mr Chairman, this past week on the 22nd of this month, Cape Town office called me and gave a message that a Mr Cassandro has left a message for me and a telephone number to call him. I did call him on the telephone and the telephone was for Pretoria.  I called and I spoke to a lady who said she was the secretary at the Embassy in Pretoria, by the name of Tina, and Tina said to me that Mr Cassandro, yes, was around Pretoria, but he is no more based in Pretoria, he is now working at head office in Angola, and he has since left for Angola.  I asked her and when do you expect him back, and she said well, he said to me around by the 1st or the 2nd of September.  That closes the matter, Mr Chairman.  
	The reason why we could not serve on him, he was in Angola all the time.  In as far as the clear right is concerned, I cannot gainsay that. It is for the Committee to decide what is meant by clear right.  But I have a promise, Mr chairman, in as far as the crucialness of his evidence is concerned.  My learned friend stated that his evidence is a crucial one which is important to this Committee. Of course, I had a discussion with him yesterday during our meeting about this witness, and he indicated to me that this witness is very important because he will sketch to us the events before the incident as well as after the incident. But what is he going to sketch to this Committee about, I do not know.  But from what my learned friend has just said, is in as far as the position was before the incident and the monitoring after the incident, if that is the crucialness of this witness' evidence, as it has been put, then I will not hesitate to state that nothing is in dispute in as far a the position then in Kimberley or in Bloemfontein was before the incident.  Nothing is again in dispute in as far as the position in Kimberley or in Bloemfontein was after the incident.  But if my learned friend was saying he is going to tell us, Mr Cassandro is going to tell us about Walter Smiles, he is going to tell us about the two applicants, as to how they did this and why they did this, then I would change my attitude and say indeed, he is a crucial witness. But if he is going to just paint the political climate then, this is not in dispute. We know it was unstable then before the incident and even after the incident, but I will leave this to the Committee.