BERNARD MAKGABO NGOEPE
I must say that if that was the interpretation then there must have been a misunderstanding between the interpreter and the applicant, he did not in his language say that the discussion took place in Brandfort.  He started, instead of giving a direct answer, he started going back to give a long history as to how they came from Brandfort etc, etc.  But certainly he didn't say that the discussion, the information was given in Brandfort.