MR STEWART
Indeed, thank you Mr Chairperson, that's really that's the limit of the analogy.  That it's, there are so many other differences, but it is unknown victims, unidentified, not necessarily having a clear political persuasion, or in fact not having any clear political persuasion, but in that instance targets were because they were black.  In these instances, in this application before the Committee today there are cases where the actual political persuasion of an individual who became a victim may not have been known as a matter of fact.  But there was an association, they were in an ANC supporting area, an area which was regarded in a particular way, or they were emerging from a school where there was a meeting where there was an ANC aligned meeting happening, that kind of, that kind of thing.  So really, in my submission is that I'm on far more solid ground today in relation to these sort incidents. ...(intervention)