MR STANDER
It seems that Mr Visser's attitude is that no decision has been made by the Committee, so unfortunately I cannot take the matter further than this apart from saying that this witness was, as Mr Memani has said, raised by me during the previous hearing and in the parts which you will find on page 779 and further on.  I think that it goes up to 781, in bundle three of the previous record.  You will also see on page 780, there is a reference to Judge Ngoepe when he referred to page 141.  Unfortunately I cannot remember what bundle he referred to, but also number 21.  I am grateful to my colleague.  He refers me to the fact that it is the list of victims which you will find on page 141 under item 21.
	I was asked just before the adjournment to indicate on basis, what basis this evidence is being offered in terms of the pre-hearing discussions.  You will find it under item 615, on page 5 of the minutes which were compiled, namely the "Assaults and Torture at police offices in Bloemfontein".