MR NTSEBEZA
14B/30 I wholly believe that the Commission, for that matter, is not a commission that is taking sides.  We will want history to judge the moral correctness and the justification of the people who embarked on this struggle, but the bottom line to what you have raised as a question is this, that this is the Commission that is hearing everybody and, I believe, anybody who has a serious story to tell or a point of view to make and I think this very same article is an important point of view for the interests of the IFP and these are lawyers as well, and I would believe that they have a moral obligation themselves to come to the Commission, and the last thing they should do is judge the Commission.  The history will judge the Commission as well, and I think the people on the Commission will be judged as individuals as well but, certainly, they should present the same submissions that they make, their point of view, their political party - if it's a party - political perspective, but I believe I am not just putting an anti-apartheid view from a limited South African perspective.  I would say that there have been jurists all over the world who have in many ways criticised this process that we are going through, because they believe that the Nuremburg trial process of bringing the perpetrators of violence to trial, to justice, from political leaders, judges and so on, to trial should have been the way to go, but I think we are showing the world and Africa, for example, the African experience - what has taken place in Zimbabwe and the ... (end of tape)