MS KHUNGWANE
I don't believe that they were trained APLA members.  I don't even believe that they were APLA members.  They were criminals, because they have bad criminal records, especially Mvijane.  Before he went to gaol, before he shot my brother, he was on trial to point an old man and old woman with a screwdriver.  I read his evidence in court.  What happened even before he was given a judgment, I read all those things.  Even the standard which he said he has passed is a low standard.  Even a standard two child, he wouldn't do what he did.  What I read from his records and the judgment, he's hiding behind APLA.  He must not come and say APLA has recruited him.
	When I look carefully, my brother was working for the Traffic Department.  Even members of APLA wanted to jump the border.  Before he jumped he would meet a traffic cop then he would ask him for help to cross the road.  Then that traffic cop would help him to cross the road, unlike for a person to come and shoot at traffic officers, because he is looking after the safety of people to cross the road.  Traffic officers don't participate in politics.  He didn't associate himself with politics.  At the time he was shot, at that time there was PAC and ANC and they were busy negotiating in CODESA.  They did not say they were sent by Moss.  They invented that version by themselves.  I don't blame PAC, what I blame is Mvijane and Lulamile.  
	I don't know as to whether Lulamile was there or not, because he doesn't come up straight to explain his position, instead to give us a straightforward position, maybe he's afraid of Mvijane.  My elder brother used to communicate with Mvijane's place where they meet.  Mvijane was not able to communicate well with Mvijane.  They fought.  He sought people to come and kill Mvijane in prison.  Then they requested that Lulamile must go to Bloemfontein.  I don't know how to classify Mvijane, under which group of people.