TESTIMONY_GIVER:
  The situation was quite bad.   We could not stay at home because the police used to come and pick up all the children, even the youngest of them all.   They took Mrs Dorothy as well as all the other children.  Even the doctors who were staying in Westville were taken.  Then I realised it was time for me to take my children to go and join MK, because I realised this was a battle, and it was survival of the fittest.   I was forced to take my children.   My children also went out of the country, they were travelling in groups.   And Shembe said I must just be free and relaxed and I would put them at Shembe's place and we would take them in groups so that they would escape the country.   