THEMBISILE MAJEBE
When Mr Gcabashe was telling us this we were not yet at that place.  I want to explain this again, Mr Lucky August, we saw him for the very first time when we were next to the base sitting next to the offices as the offices were opposite to the houses of Mchizani's house, he was sitting next to his brother's house.  He went past us and he went straight to his brother's house and he left the house and he took another direction to his home.  From Luyanda Zote's house it is a third, - he went to a third, a fourth house from Luyanda Zote's house.  As we were sitting there talking about this and we knew that he had bodyguards and Brigay came to us and we discussed and he told us.  We did not mention anything to him, we did not tell him that we were going to attack Mr August, we just left and we just joked about the matter again and he left but something came to our minds that he had a gun and the fact that he threatened Luyanda and Luyanda was there and we was forced to go and do that because it became clear to us what he said during the day he was willing to do it but we weren't there to defend ourselves, we did not intend to injure him.  He knew very well I did not have any personal grudge against him because I remember we were friends.  The other day I gave him a tape recorder.  I did not have a problem with him but I wanted him to stop what he was doing to my organisation that I loved so much.  That was the reason for us to do that, that was the reason to end our friendship at the time but right now I do not hold any grudge against him.  Even before I did not have a grudge.  I hope that even my mother - I never allow even my mother to try to destroy my PAC organisation because no-one sent me to join PAC.  I learnt a lot of things and I like it.  That is why Mr Lucky August is in that condition.