J P VAN DEN BERG
During 1986, Matthews Sehlwana and I handled an informer, Mabena in Botswana, and it was somewhere in May when this informer reported to Matthews that he, the informer, had been approached by a person to bring other people into the country, into the Republic of South Africa.  	I think that he reported it first to Matthews and that Matthews then reported that to me. I apologise.
	As a result of this report several questions arose.    Such as, were these illegal immigrants, were they MK members, were they PAC people who wanted to infiltrate the country.  I sent this information, conveyed it to Mr Coetsee as soon as possible after I received it. He was at that stage my direct commander.  There was an arrangement between Matthews and the informer that he would meet the person who had approached the informer. 
	During May, I think the arrangement was made to meet in the afternoon.  I think it was supposed to have taken place at 12 noon.  Myself, Matthews and Kobus Fourie - now I can't remember whether we drove in separate vehicles or - no, I am going to correct myself there.  It wasn't Kobus Fourie, it was Tokkie Fuchs.  We went to the farm Kruitfontein, where the meeting was scheduled to take place.