MR KINCAID
Thank you Mr Chairperson, I think in the case of this particular applicant it is most definitely those offences of which he was convicted.  I know in his statement to the investigator, Mr Jabu, he makes mention of a criminal act, the act of burning the garage of a farmer known as Madameni.  No amnesty is being sought for that, he wasn't as he correctly points out, he wasn't charged or convicted of that offence.  Say for the purpose of this application and for the purpose of this applicant if we can just accept, if the Committee can just accept that it is amnesty sought for the offences for which he was convicted of and which I've set out in the judgement, you know, annexure at ...[intervention]