MR WILLS
You see, I put to you that this is the truth about what happened with these two individuals, that you arrested them, you arrested Ndaba first as you say.  He wasn't an informer.  Your unit beat him to the point that he cracked and gave information and that is the reason why the arrest of Shabalala followed at that point and not earlier and the arrest of the other senior people happened after that even and not earlier.