MR GORDHAN
But equally important is that a colleague of Mr Botha's of the same name Louis Botha was an instrumental person in passing on resources to the IFP and there's many things that have happened that I don't want to recall now save to say that that in my view and submission is purely a diversion which the Committee shouldn't become too preoccupied with.
	Then Chairperson, there are a number of contradictions that we've heard in the course of the day, contradictions about whether I was calm or aggressive, contradictions about my level of cooperation, or otherwise the duration of the whole assault itself, the difference in time between when the first interaction took place with Mr Botha and the second interaction, contradictions about the time of my arrest in relation to that of Mr Nyanda, contradiction about whether there was daylight or dark when this whole set of sagas actually emerged and all of which I believe indicates the fact that we haven't had sufficient frankness in the evidence put to us by Mr Botha himself.  It is my view that in the first instance, Chairperson, although Mr Botha has been quite frank about the fact that he solely took the decision to assault myself and that he went through some of those details in a fairly frank way.  He still has not, I think, addressed sufficiently and persuasively the type of equipment if you can call it that and how it was obtained in my view and in that sense in part we do not have sufficient detail being put before the Committee about the facts of the matter.  As far as political motive is concerned, Chairperson, there's no doubt this was a personal decision, it was part of a pattern which I believe Mr Botha has practised within the police, he admitted that he has operated outside the law, he has admitted that the Minister wouldn't necessarily be informed about what's going on.