CHAIRPERSON
No, we won't record it as a fact, we don't see it, why must we record as a fact something that we don't know, something that you have been told by somebody, now why must we record that as a fact?
	What we can record if you want, is that we can record that you were told by somebody that de Kock has not made an application, that we can recall.  Why must we make it as a fact that Mr de Kock has not applied for this and that, why?  Why should be do that?  It's not of concern to us.