MR SARDIWALLA
I think one must, Chairperson and Members of the Committee, must look at the evidence of the applicant's evidence as he experienced it.  Now he says what he did, what he saw.  If one of the other perpetrators did in fact go around, it's outside his knowledge, it's obvious.  It was never put to him that maybe someone did go and you did not see them, but he indicated that after he had conducted what he had done and what he had thought he had completed, he ran off.  So if a person did in fact go to that vehicle, yes it may well be, but he ran off and there's no suggestion that he was in fact the person that came there.  In fact it was put to Kuala "did you see him" and he said "I've never seen him".  So it may well be that he actually ran off whilst one of the others, be it Qeda or anybody else, let's leave the identity, that actually went up in that minute or two, around, peeped, fired a shot or two but this was pandemonium there at the time, it wasn't, you know it's not as though it's a book written thing that follows, step 1, 2 and 3.  He ran off and there's nothing to suggest that he stood there, or he went to the vehicle.  We're talking about the applicant and what he saw and what he experienced and that has been uncontested.