MR MGIDLANA
Motati as well as - yes, as well as Dr Nonde who is deceased as also (a) is deceased.  Of course his wife is present and there are aspects that were mentioned yesterday of which she wants clarity on during the evidence of the applicant.  There are also those that are not listed in paragraph 12 but who were notified and they appear in the list of those of the victims which came from the TRC.