MR KNIGHT
Thank you, I'm getting to my next question.  Can you accurately, you know you said in your evidence in chief that you have a very firm recollection of that day but bearing in mind the years that have past, if Mr Shabalala has a different recollection what transpired, would you be prepared to concede that in certain instances you might have, it might be a possibility that everybody's memory is failing in the sense that it's an event that occurred fourteen years ago?