DR W M TSOTSI
All right, and then you say later in your evidence that when Sparrow Mkhonto was seated, as I say, behind you and you were driving along, just the two of you, you say that both his hands were handcuffed at the back.  And then you say that when he caught you, his hands were really in front now, he actually transferred his hands from the back to the front?  Did you subsequently test the feasibility of this athletic exercise?  How was it possible?