CHAIRPERSON
Yes and the question is, I mean if he had testified as a matter of fact that the attackers called out, then one assumes that there would have been some joining of issue on that particular aspect of his evidence, but there certainly doesn't seem to have been that sort of evidence on his part and perhaps it's understandable, you know when you drive between 9 and 10 o'clock at night in a misty situation, your windows are closed and you hear people calling, you can't be certain about that.