MR CLAASSEN
That is very true Madam Chair, and I think it would be no less than fair to say that there was - Ms Msibi was a truthful witness.  Madam Chair, it is indeed so that there are two directly opposing versions.
	It was my instruction, it was also put to her that the applicant will deny any such involvement, but it is nonetheless true that these are two directly opposing versions and I must concede that that does create a problem.
	Madam Chair, it remains my submission however that in weighing these two, I think it ultimately boils down to weighing these two versions against each other and seeing which one ought to be believed.  Madam Chair, not taking anything away from Ms Msibi's testimony, I would like the Commission to consider the evidence of the applicant as being truthful despite the obvious difference between the two versions.