GIDEON JOHANNES NIEUWOUDT
Mr Chairperson, I can't tell whether they - well I can just refer to their statements as we saw in the newspapers, the things that they had said about elimination.  I know about the attack in Lesotho which was carried out, I know about the attack on the APLA bases in Natal - in Transkei, I beg your pardon and it is on those grounds - I can't say that they really agreed with that type of activity.