MR BLACK
Yes.  So, just to sum things up, one of the applicants, let's put it that way, Mr Gamede, it's not that we don't want to know, the community, and I can understand your need to express the feelings of the community of Piet Retief, but we don't, as indicated by the Committee, we don't really need to know what happened in 1994, and I understand that an attempt was made on your life as well.  What is of concern to me is that I'm representing one of the applicants, Mr Gushu, and one of the incidents in respect of which he is seeking amnesty is the shooting of Mr Themba Mlangeni and shooting at Alpheus Msibi.  He alleges that Mr Msibi was the then Mayor of Piet Retief and it was perceived that he was an active member of the IFP.  I'll read what Mr Gushu says
"And that he openly enjoyed the members' support of the
South African Police and security forces in carrying out
attacks on ANC members."
Do you go along with that allegation so far?