CHAIRPERSON
Mr Mbandazayo, I think that is so but hasn't it been Mr Maseko's evidence that he reported directly to Msiki?  That seems to have been the gist of his evidence?  In fact, when I initially read the bundle, he had suggested that he had been instructed and ordered by the director of operations, Mr Letslape Mpashele when this repossession unit was initially formed and that this was the first operation of it's kind to have been sent into the country.  But as he gave evidence I got the impression that Mr Mpashlele did not feature very much in his operations and that he was directly reporting to Msiki in Botswana.  How do you tie the two, if you could assist us in that regard?