ADV BOOYENS
Speaking for myself, yes. I said earlier on that it could perhaps in all probability be said that the soft approach might have worked sometimes, I don't know.   There certainly was not - the insistence to place him at a disadvantage was there, it was perhaps not necessary that was another assault on his dignity as a person, but if we are going to insist that ask every time but surely the Security Policemen or whoever could have always have taken the lesser alternative and that wouldn't only go for interrogations which went wrong; that would go for people that were killed; that would go for people that were seriously assaulted.  That is always true.  There was - if one must really approach it on the basis of was it ever necessary, then perhaps one would have said that perhaps none of the lives lost in the struggle on either side was necessary.   But that's not the test.
      Mr Chairman, I think unless there is something else specifically which the Committee would like to hear me on, and bearing in mind my Heads of Argument, those are the submissions I wish to make.