MR MALAN
Just before, sorry Chair, before Mr Panday proceeds.  When the deceased was found guilty of the illegal possession of a home made gun, not a 9 mm pistol, furthermore the applicant was also found guilty of possession of one SSG shotgun capsule, or whatever you call them, "patroon", now the applicant here in his evidence  made reference to having no knowledge about an AK47 or something, that that was the first time, that was a false accusation, but that was not the charge.  The charge was a home-made shotgun and one SSG bullet.  Now does he have any knowledge of those items and can he explain it to us?  If he can't, we can't help him, Mr Panday and you know that.