ISRAEL NYONI HLONGWANE
I would say so.  And he was walking around in that area.  The Black Cats men, since this thing was really in their blood, they didn't want to leave.  I told them they should guard the house at Mkhonza's place and guard, and they shouldn't leave or shoot because if you start shooting - if you shoot it means you'll be giving a signal that we should come back to see that will be happening at the house.  Therefore we tried the first house to enter.  So they were prepared.  It looks like that they locked all the doors with pipes or anything.  Like the light on lights and they switched them off.  And late Mandla kicked the kitchen door and he stand aside and I entered.  I'm sorry, before I enter Mandla kicked it, entered and stand in front of the door and fired two shots on air.  I entered and then I pointed the boys and asked them to come in.  They get into the house and went into the rooms and they found one mother in the house.  They hacked and stabbed until she died.  And then a young boy came out running trying to get out through us.  I followed him and the Black Cats followed him, and they found him or catch up with him at the shop and I don't know what they did, I don't know whether they killed him or not, but they did something to him.