MR P A VAN WYK
That is correct, if I may.  Mr Chairman, thank you.  I accept the position in respect of Mr Chonco, but the position in respect of Mr Ntombela is not clear yet.   I accept that at all times Mr Bizos has got instructions to make statements to Mrs Ntombela.
	He had put it to her that she was not, in fact, shot and killed by one of the ANC guards.   Then it is not clear how come they can apply for Amnesty because it was taken up with the mother, this morning, and she approached me with an attitude, that it had been put to her, her son was not killed by any of the guards.   And I think that the position must be clear.