CHAIRPERSON
And you knew that you were going to plant and that lives may be lost and that there will be a lot of noise.  "Because we are looking for a Volkstaat and at the end of the day the leader certainly had to, whoever it was, make a public statement and say; This is the reason and give us a Volkstaat."  And that is the most important, the goal of the whole operation was the most important aspect. Is that not true?