MR JACOBS
That may have been so?  Now see, every time it happens that you say, you see, that is where my problem, the Commission can allow me just to make this point.
	We had indicated earlier that obviously it would be in national interest for us to support an application for amnesty if the whole truth is told, not just a part of the truth and every time when I ask you, when others have asked, when new evidence is set, then you say that might have been so.	You have never earlier spoke about the shock treatment.  But let's just go to the shock treatment.  Why was that necessary given that you were saying that the bag and all of that, I mean what would that make a difference?