MR MARTINI
No, it was dealing with the order.  Mr Lax, if you recall Mr Bizos raised issues to say that an order could never have been lawful and at one stage Mr van Zyl actually conceded, he said it's possible.  The deed may be unlawful.  "It is submitted in criminal law if an accused bona fide believed ...(indistinct) order to be law, ...(indistinct) absence".  What I'm saying is that if Mr van Zyl believed by the fact that they instruct him to kill, was lawful, it negates culpability, unlawfulness.  That's what I'm saying.