MR VISSER
Thank you, Mr Chairman, we will study this and perhaps we might deal with this issue with another witness, so I can step off this issue with this witness.  Perhaps just one matter Mr Chairman, which I promised at the outset and which I forgot about to lead in evidence-in-chief, with your permission.
	Mr Botha, can you recall what exactly, or whether Mr Brand Visagie first of all, whether he on the evening of the death of Khubeka was present and secondly if he was there, what was his role and function?  Is it possible that you can recall?