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Mr Chairperson, to grant amnesty for the - to obtain amnesty for the applicants and here I'm talking of Mr Botha, you must comply with the requirements of Section 21(c) of the Act which determines that there must be a full disclosure of all the relevant facts relating to the application.  Chairperson, it is my argument that Mr Botha does comply with the requirements of Section 21.  There is no evidence contradicting it, which is in possession of the Honourable Commission.  What the Committee has in front of it is the trial - the criminal trial in which Mr Botha pleaded guilty and put the same fact in mitigation before the trial court.
	He also came here before the Committee and made a full disclosure of all the facts and told the full truth of what happened on that day.  I would like contend that the Honourable Committee ought to find that he does comply with the requirements of Section 21(c).  As far as Section 22 is concerned, the next requirement is that the Act must have been associated with a political objective and I'd like to contend that the evidence placed before you, complies with Section 22(a), (d) and (f).   The Honourable Committee listened to his evidence and heard him testifying that he had a political - a conservative political background.  That he joined the AWB and as a result of his links with the AWB, became a member of the Orde Boerevolk.   
	Evidence was also led on his behalf that before he joined Orde Boerevolk, Mr Piet Rudolph, by means of a video broadcast by the SABC, had declared war and Mr Botha associated himself with the objectives of the Orde Boerevolk.  I submit -and you also observed him - that he is a strong leader and a person who will carry through whatever he believes in.  In your possession you also have Exhibit A, which is the oath of the Orde Boerevolk and I would like to submit that, that is what Mr Botha believed in.  
	To comply with the requirements of Section 22(a), he had to lead evidence before the Committee that he was a member of supporter of a political organisation and I submit that, that has been ...[intervention]  Could you please repeat it?