MR STANDER
Mr Chairman, whilst we took the tea interval I got instructions from three other people, I'm sorry they are getting so many now that I didn't have the time to consult properly with them.
	In the meantime I phoned my office to give me a clerk to come and help me but please bear with me, I just want to make sure before the applicant stands down whether he knew of these people because they were also victims.  So, have I got your permission to ask a few questions ...[intervention]