CHAIRPERSON
And also just for what your views are on this aspect, what - it would also seem that - well it's very impossible, but Agrippa would have been an important person to call.  Would the calling of these senior people in Headquarters, NEC wherever, who were not on the ground at all, who made the decision relating more to policy than anything else, assist with regard to the role played by Agrippa, because these applicants say look, they merely obeyed what Agrippa told them.  Now let's assume that Agrippa was on a frolic of his own,