MR VISSER
As I count them, from what we all got from the TRC, civilians injured 114; defence or Air Force personnel injured 86.  Do you want to make a note of that?  114 as opposed to 86.
	Now what you wouldn't have had Mr Ismail in fairness to you is an extract, I believe it's from the case docket of specifying the people who died.  Now you mentioned that 19 people had died and you are quite correct.  The figure is 19, as a result of the blast ...(intervention)