MR VISSER
Chairperson, just before Mr Wills starts and just that the point doesn't go lost, as far as the identification of Mr Radebe is concerned, regarding the daughter, I was just wondering whether it would be adequate for you to give a description on the record or whether we could ask for the daughter perhaps to be measured, or the length and the girth, so that we can have some caparison for the record, Chairperson.