NICHOLAS JACOBUS JANSE VAN RENSBURG
Mr Chairman, I cannot generalise on my own in reply to this question but as far as this case is concerned - the Mthimkhulu case, we carried out the operation in such a manner or attempted to carry it out in such a manner that it would appear as if these two people had illegally left the country. 	And that was the impression or perception that we wanted to leave, namely that they had departed for military training or that they had gone to work for the ANC in Lesotho or whatever the case might be.  As far as other cases are concerned, we will have to look at each on it's own merit.  I know of a case or cases in the Eastern Cape for which I applied for amnesty where inter alias the murder and robbery squad had investigated the matter - how badly or how well or thoroughly I don't know, I cannot comment on that.