MR P DU PLESSIS
Sorry Mr Chairman, can I just say that I never disputed the fact that these statements were taken by policemen, etcetera, that's not my argument.  I had to point out certain inconsistencies in the statements and especially some specific aspects dealt with by Mr Martini.  So I'm not saying that these people forged these statements and that the police were never present and that these statements were never taken up in a police docket.  That's not my argument.  Just to make it clear to Mr Bizos.