NORMAN ARENDSE
That is correct Mr Chairman.  I also recall that there was large-scale dissatisfaction - understandably, from some parties to the negotiations -  how can you negotiate will you're conducting and waging this armed struggle?
	So, the point I want to make Mr Chairman, is that the applicants were told that the Heidelberg Tavern is a place where members of the security forces meet.  I think on the 30th of December of any year, one doesn't expect people to hang around unless it is in fact an army base or a military installation.  You don't expect military people to wear their uniforms when they are having a good time and having a good drink, so in their minds it was a place that was frequented but unfortunately, it was not.
	As far as the criteria are concerned - I think I've made this submission in a previous matter, the Committee looks at the criteria cumulatively - none of these criteria which is mentioned by my learned friend in 23, is decisive on it's own and the Committee weighs it up.  The way I've read this Committee's decision, it appears that if it is established that an order was given, that that order was given by the State or by a military liberation movement or a political party, then this Committee will accept that that was case and that the act was done with a view to realising whatever the political objective of that particular organisation or liberation army may have been.
	Mr Chairman, I've dealt at length - in anticipation, with the Cerqueira issue and I'm not going to take that further, save to say that - and just to pick up what Judge Wilson says, that surely either before, immediately before, during or after an operation where you are conducting an operation of this kind, if you feel threatened or impeded or you perceive that you may be impeded or threatened, that that would - that there is a sufficiently close link to associate that with the main objective and in this case we're talking about seconds.  
	You get into a car, there may be a feeling that a shot is being fired at you - whether it's in front of you or behind you, the proximity is sufficiently close enough to be associated with the attack on the Heidelberg Tavern.  We're not taking about the applicants having travelled to Khayelitsha or Guguletu or even down the road to Observatory to the main road, where now they have just gratuitously shot at a passer-by.
	Unless there's any further questions Mr Chairman, I have no further comments of submissions.