MR VISSER
But just confining ourselves to J 1 at the moment.  What you've just told me is that there are basically 3 reasons why you say J1 shows that Mr Ndaba was not an informer.  The one is he's identified as a target.  The second point is that there is no reference in that document, J 1 to show that he was an informer and thirdly at page 11 next to his name, it is not stated "not for security interest".