HENDRIK JOHANNES PETRUS BOTHA
When they prepared the case and during the preparation thereof, I think halfway through the year the case was already prepared and it started and Mr van Schalkwyk could help when exactly they started the case.  But her notice as a witness was already determined from the start, that's why she got released.  The activities of units who stayed behind only escalated during the middle of that year and you'll see that in Exhibit A.  When we started looking for her as a witness she was already gone or she was no longer available or we couldn't find her.