CHAIRPERSON
But Mr van Zyl said that he was only brought in on an ad hoc basis because he had functionaries who could carry out the operation and he was an in and out contact, he really knew very little about it, he just made Peaches available for a couple of days.  Now we've heard that the project kept going and obviously, because of these entries, for several months.  Who would have taken it over if van Zyl didn't?