MR MALAN
So, just to get the context, it was really a war-type situation.  It was a two way conflict and I will tell you why I am asking that, because all the statements we have before us today only talk about the suffering of one side of this conflict and we do not get the other side.  I do not really know why, it may be because of our infrastructure, because of the way we are going about it, it may be because of others not trusting the Truth Commission, not wanting to come forward, it may simply be that they are not around anymore, but it is very difficult to form a background and balanced picture on only one side of the conflicts statements.  So you are supporting basically the background information that Mr Abel Nkabinde gave us, that it was a two-way fight?