MR ROSSOUW
Mr Chairman, I beg the Committee's pardon.  I was just, it was pointed out to me by my learned colleague, that at one stage my recollection is also that he said, he stated it in various ways but at one point he did indicate that he said it came to my mind that they were going to kill them. That is the deduction that he made.  Mr van der Merwe from the planning you agree that from the planning it could be a reasonable deduction that there could be shooting.