CHAIRPERSON
Yes, and the other aspect is that according to all versions, the action was a total failure.  The one firearm which they were able to get hold of, was thrown into the dam?  It was disassembled and thrown away, so it was a total failure.
	Even the Pretoria trip was totally futile, because they drove all the way there, and when they arrived there it became apparent that it was a mad plan as the applicant had said, it was madness.
	Some of the applicants had made the point that they thought it was a head over heels trip and terms like fanatical was used, and some other terms as well.  It is quite apparent that it wasn't a smoothly planned operation that took place there, where everybody of the persons who were participating would have known exactly what his role was to be?
	They drove to Pretoria, they had a difference of opinion there amongst themselves.  The first applicant said let's eliminate these people and the other said no, but you are mad.  How can we safely attack the Defence Headquarters where there is a number of guards on duty.
	So it definitely doesn't strike one as a finely planned, well oiled instruction which was being carried out, and as I had stated, some of the applicants themselves, referred and used the term head over heels in this process, when referring to this process, so is it totally unjustified then to refer to the operation in those terms, according to your submission?