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What I cannot run away from there was use of necklaces as you've heard yesterday and today, there was a practice of necklacing, there were also prisons, illegal prisons.
 Yesterday when I was listening some other people who had taken forcibly that was happening.  It was true, it was so much so that I can't run away from the fact that we in the UDF didn't use the necklace, but it was not only the UDF that used it, it was used, but I can't deny that.
 And these courts where people were being locked and we said - like we said he was locked at Crossroads and we said we are not going into any discussions until he was released.  And that is not a prison.