MR MBANDAZAYO
Chairperson, through you.  Definitely if an applicant denies involvement in a certain issue, definitely there is no way that you can, even if you were in a position to, grant it.  I think we had a similar problem in Kibler Park where the applicant was saying I'm prepared to rot in jail rather than to admit that I did that.  So I think when it comes to that it says it all.  If somebody denies that he did that, definitely there is no way that we can say that, force him to say that he did what he's saying that he did not do.