JOHANNES LODEWIKUS GRIEBENAUW
Yes, let me put it this way.  If a detainee should have been confronted with information which we already had and he wanted to make a confession by the nature of the cause, there would be no reason to assault such a person.  Only if the security branch would have information that he had information with regard to terrorism - terrorist activities or that he was involved, then I would say that to prove the argument that we had to protect lives and property, then the man would have gone further because he had to perform his duty as was expected of him.  And that was to get information as fast as possible about the activities and the planning and those involved.