IRENE TUKIE MARCH
No, no, no that is not David.  That is David's son.  That is Philip.  When the father disappeared Philip was seven years old and they were friends with the father.  They used to go to gym together, go to the soccer matches, go up and down with the father.  Obviously when it is pay day every child expects something nice from the father.  He knew he used to get everything nice from the father.  But it
ALEXANDRA HEARING TRC/GAUTENG
10 MARCH
went on, when he asked me what happened to my father, where is my father.  I did not tell my grandchild the truth.  I told him lies, I told him that his father went to Cape Town to go and teach people how to do the job he is doing.  But as time went on and years goes by he grew up asking me is he not corresponding with you, why don't he write letters, why can't he send me something.  When I asked him come on don't be silly, your grandfather sometimes gives you something, ten bob, 20 bob, something like that,  it went on, still I could not tell this little boy.  If it was not the right thing I will apologise.  As years goes by he kept on asking me where is my father.  When he turned 18 one day from school he came with a newspaper and then he asked me did you buy a paper today, I said ja I bought a paper and he asked me did you see something important there, especially for you.  Then I said to him no I didn't see anything for me.  He said ja and he gave me the paper, he showed me a column where it was written missing people.  And his father's name was the first name.  So he asked me did you see this and I said no I didn't see that.  I asked him where did you get this and he said a friend of his gave him the paper, actually showed him the column.  Okay, then why all along you have been telling me that my father is in the Cape meantime you knew my father has been abducted by the police.  So I told him look here my boy you were still a small boy.  I did not like to disturb you at school, I did not want to inject hatred in you because I know if I told you these things possibly you wouldn't even be attending school.  You would maybe be a ruffian going about beating police for nothing.  Each and every person in police uniform you would be against.  So my intention was to tell you when you are 21
ALEXANDRA HEARING TRC/GAUTENG
11 MARCH
years, then I would know that you are of age, then I would tell you.  This thing would disturb you, you wouldn't be in the class you are now.  So I am happy because you found it on your own.  Then he said to me so now how are you working this thing out.  So I told him look your father is not the only one, you can look at the column, how many people are missing there.  So I was waiting for you to be 21 years then you can sit down and let us talk.  You might give me a better idea what to do because what I tried was in vain.  Maybe you might give me a better clue to do that.  That is why I say if at all my decision was incorrect I will apologise.