MR DREYER
: Mr Chairman, what I wanted to put forth to the applicant is the following:   Against his own version, and its not something that I stated, it must be borne in mind that at one stage, the applicant stated that the level of excitement manifested subsequent to such speeches by Eugene Terreblanche was on such a level, that people left the hall.   He, himself, so enraged that he would contemplate the possibility of murdering his own domestic servant.   It is against that background that I am putting it to him as follows, and that is the basis of my question.
	If over the years, and even taking into account that the intensity and the frequency of those speeches, according to his own version, really got to motion during the latter part of 1993, that did not result in a large amount of people walking out there and physically getting involved in these type of things, as opposed to a sort of a broad, on his own version, because its denied that such an order was given.   But, on his own version, he attends a single meeting and stated that:  `nou wil ek lyke sien'.   No detail, nothing, but that is the order which prompts him to gather 8 other people and go along, hold the road-block and kill people.   That is the difficulty....