RAYNER MARIA MORINGER
No, I did not suggest that particular suggestion.  I put forward a request that we need something to sedate Mr Mbotoli because the trip from Johannesburg to Port St Johns is between, depending how you drive, between ten and twelve hours and at that time, nearly 80 percent of that route was what we called hostile territory.  During this period, we wanted Mr Mbotoli to be sedated to such an extent that he cannot cause any problems, for example at the petrol station, the car had to be refuelled.  That was the purpose of getting something from the Transkei to sedate Mr Mbotoli.  We did not specify what in particular we need, we just said this is what is required and through the logistic channel at the Transkei Embassy, this is what we got.
MR Z. MAPOMA: You know sir, I am asking this question because Mr Mbotoli is eager to know what material was used to sedate him because he complains that that affected him, and he wants it undone.  That is the reason why I am asking the question and if you can assist to a great extent, that would be appreciated.