MR PHOSA
My understanding of the - of your reference and perhaps Mr Erasmus's as well, reference to interrogation - the manner of interrogation sorry, sorry, the manner of investigation, I understood it to be that prior to Mthimkhulu's case and even after Mthimkhulu - now with hindsight, it becomes quite clear that no-one is trying very seriously to reveal - to dig up what happened, in other words the investigation is deliberately weak which would be an indication that the powers that be, the politicos - not now though, and the police all the time were not keen to have these matters discovered.  So I thought that was the attitude that you drew an inference from the manner of investigation, am I wrong?