MR MBANDAZAYO
Yes Chairperson, through youChairperson, I am just going there Chairperson, that definitely it is my submissionthat the discrepancies which are there, are not of material nature that theChairperson would see that they are make or break.  Those are minor discrepancieswith regard for instance if I may take the evidence of Mr Swanepoel, takinginto account the situation in which he was, terrified, pointed with a gun, alsodefinitely the Committee have to take into account his observation would beat least, definitely somebody in his position won't be to be able to say thatthe applicant, especially the first applicant, that he was the person who waspointed, except to say that because the applicant has admitted that he is theperson who was carrying an AK47.  For instance if I can take to, it was notdisputed though he disputed in his evidence that the shooting, the Commanderwent outside, on the outside window, there was a shooting and then he came backinside the house and also there was a shooting with the wife of the applicant.
        If one takesthat into account, it may not have been disputed because the victim was goingto testify, but if one takes that into account, one would come to what I havealready said that it is always the human factor, not necessary even to say,I am not saying Mr Swanepoel is lying, what I am saying it is how he recollectsthe events of the day and which is the same with the applicants, it is how theyrecollect the events of the day as to how it happened.  It is therefore Chairperson,my submission that the differences in what happened on that day in questionexactly in the house, as whether they shot whilst Mr Swanepoel was running insidethe house and trying to close the door and whether he was shot before he wentinside the house.  What I am trying to say is that the fact of the matter isand it is not disputed that the deceased was shot with a pistol, she was notshot with an AK47 and the person who was carrying a pistol, was the Commander,Prince and that the first applicant was carrying an AK47.  That Chairperson,I think is very important.  I would understand it if the victim, it would sayit was material if the applicant was saying that he was shot with a pistol,whilst he was shot with an AK47.