JOHAN MARTIN VAN ZYL
But in hindsight it is also easy to be clever now, Mr Chairman, saying it, with respect from my side.  At that time this was the position that stared us in the face and that is the way we reasoned at that time.  I'm not trying to justify this action, I've never tried to justify our actions, I'm just trying to explain what the conditions were and how we thought and how our minds worked at that time.  They might have been totally wrong, and in hindsight, they have been wrong.  And those are the facts.