MR P DU PLESSIS
All right.  The third aspect, as far as the third aspect is concerned, maybe just before we get to that, there was evidence by Mr van Zyl, with regard to other projects launched in the Western Cape, with regard to the burning of a printing press and about a minibus of a SWAPO member.  Were these projects also, did they also move through the same channels as you said with the necessary approval?