MR POTGIETER
Sorry Hlengiwe just before you proceed.  I am just going to make a ruling on order and procedure.  I am going to proceed down the line of Commissioners and panellists and allow them to ask a first round of questions, and then I'll assess how the time is to deal with further questioning, so bear that in mind that there are time limits that we've got to stick to and try to keep it as pointedly as possible.  So Hlengiwe would you like to proceed.