MR PRETORIUS
The reason why I referred to the evidence of Mr Molefe and the other guards is quite simple.  I layed the basis on when this witness came out of the door at the parapet, everything was normal, there was not shooting going on etc and the first shooting took place when he was, as he testified in his evidence in chief, three paces away from Moolman.  In other words this witness indicates that he observed the first shooting, that immediately prior to that shooting Moolman was just standing on the parapet observing the crowd.  Now that is totally in conflict with what the other three witnesses testified to and I'm putting it to this witness what their evidence was and he responds to that that he denies it.  So it is quite clear I think what time we're speaking about and the reason why I am putting this to this particular witness.