JUDGE WILSON
This is the submission made by the ANC in their latest submission last week, when they said that, explained that civic defence units were established in communities under attack as a joint protect between the ANC and the community concerned, and that the legitimacy of the self-defence structures were recognised in terms of the National Peace Accord.  And as I understand it, that this is what this applicant was asked to do.  That is so, is it not?