MR VISSER
I am sorry, Mr Chairman. Yes, I am through, Mr Chairman. I just want to summarise.  The critical factor here, Mr Chairman, is that two other people than the applicants were convicted of the incident for which the applicants today apply for amnesty.  They were convicted on the strength of the evidence of Mr Themba Nkosi Ngquele.  He has not been notified, Mr Chairman, and we submit, with respect, that he is clearly a person implicated, and it has to be so, because unless you can find at the end of the evidence, that the two present applicants perpetrated the offence, they cannot receive amnesty. That is clear on the requirements of the Act.  In order to do that, Mr Chairman, it follows by necessity, that his Lordship Mr Justice Munnik must have been incorrect in his finding and that could only have been based on the evidence of Themba Nkosi Ngquele.  	Therefore, we say, Mr Chairman, that you cannot sensibly hear this application unless Ngquele is here to come and tell you whatever he wants to tell you.  He may either tell you that he lied to the Judge or that he spoke the truth, but whatever he has to tell the Committee, you will have to hear him, in order to be able to decide the truthfulness or otherwise, and particularly whether there has been a full disclosure by the present two applicants.  That is all we want to say, Mr Chairman.
	We are ready. May we place on record we are ready to continue, we are prepared as far as cross-examination is concerned, so we are not asking for a postponement on our behalf.  We want to make that perfectly clear, but we also believe that you should be aware of these background facts before we start, Mr Chairman, so that you can make the proper ruling in this regard. Thank you, Mr Chairman.