CHAIRPERSON
Sorry, just before we proceed and I should have raised this when Mr Wessels was arguing, but I don't think it impacts on the argument, the question of the foetus incident.  We've a lot about it at the hearing, received evidence although it wasn't set down as one of the incidents, in the victims' Heads they suggest that be portion of the decision in this matter.  Are we all agreed on that, we include it in the decision in this matter?