MARY BURTON
It just seems to us, I think, after all we've heard that with all the might of the security services that it was impossible to prevent such a serious conflict breaking out between two groups of people who had weapons but who were certainly armed in a way that would have prevented them from resisting action taken by the Police.  Anyway I think I won't pursue that any further.
 I'd like to just go back once again to the gathering of information and to ask you whether you were aware of the presence of members of Umkhonto weSizwe in the area, in any of the camps prior to the major attack on the 9th, 10th and 11th of June?