MR VISSER
Mr Erasmus, we are going to talk about - we are going to omit paragraph 16, 17, and 18, they are self-explanatory and we want to come to your first experiences in the beginning of 1997 when you were transferred to Pietermaritzburg.  And there you replaced Colonel Dreyer as divisional commander.
	In this regard I refer you to the evidence which has been provided, I'm not certain whether this is also contained in a bundle.  The evidence which was rendered before the Gross Violations of Human Rights Committee - I believe it was on the 26th of June, yes indeed Mr Chairman, I'm not sure whether you have it before you.  I wish to refer to page 44, if you do have it before you Mr Chairman.  It's not one the two - part of one of the two bundles which we have, it's other evidence which we were provided by the Committee.  Perhaps I could just - could I hand one copy to you?