MOKOTEDI MPSHE
Mr Chairman, if I may, that was the Heilbron attack.  In respect of Vanderbijlpark attack, the attack on the civilians, there were also victims in there.  Mr Chairman, the driver of the vehicle, Mr de Bruin, I communicated with him last week in Cape Town on Tuesday and he promised that he would be here today and that he would contact the other family members, Mr Concer's family.  This morning I called him at 09H10 and he said he's so sorry, he cannot make it, he's got too much work he cannot come.  I can convey this to the Committee.  And he asked me again to convey this to the Committee that Mr Concer's family, that is Mr Concer is the gentleman who was killed in the car, his family is scattered all over, the wife is in P.E., the daughter is in East London, the son is in Vanderbijlpark.  He has tried all the means at his disposal to inform them, he has actually done so but they have not responded but they know that the matter is taking place today.