MR VISSER
We'll approach him on that basis, yes.
	Mr Botha, if we can then continue with your evidence.  We got to the point and I was reminded in the short adjournment that we did not conclude the point.  After Zandile was acquitted and after she made the Section 29 statement, you told the Committee that she then started and you called it the crumbs, she gathered the crumbs in order to continue with the activities of Operation Butterfly, can you remember that?