MR VISSER
May I add one further aspect, Mr Chairman, I see Mr de Jager has got his finger on the button and that is this.  Due to the fact that we act for the police in this matter there may be assistance which they might be in a position to give you which may assist you in coming to a conclusion.  I make the point, I take it no further.  What I wish to say now is the following, Mr Chairman.  I am quite happy not to ask any questions of Mr Mbatha, because you are quite correct, he did not implicitly imply any of my clients.  I do not argue with that, but we will stay here, Mr Chairman, and when Mr Smiles comes in or anybody else comes in and implicates our witnesses, then I will have to call Mr Mbatha back, Mr Chairman, because there are a lot of question marks on the evidence which he gave here today, which we will have to take up with him.
	On that basis, Mr Chairman, I do not know whether that is of any assistance to you.  I can wait until such time as a witness implicates my clients and if nobody does, then I have got a free ride, Mr Chairman.