GEORGE BIZOS
And he left and came back ten minutes later, and then he saw the scrum.  That is on page 130 to 131.
	You see, I am going to put to you that experienced interrogators with or without torture, like Mr Siebert, Snyman would not enter upon an interrogation of particularly Mr Biko, without preparing themselves.
	Just like Attorneys and counsel do, or should do.  What do you say to that.