HENDRIK JOHANNES PETRUS BOTHA
Yes, Chairperson, I'll repeat.  The objective with the operation was that Jimmy would be introduced to the terrorists and when he was introduced to the terrorists, the operation would have changed from that point on.  The terrorists were not there and consequently this was an unfortunate arrest of Nthombi Khubeka.  The objective was not to arrest her with the terrorists and Jimmy, this was a pseudo operation, Jimmy and the others were to have contacted the terrorists through her.