ADV STEENKAMP
Mr Chairman I don't want to cause a further disturbance here, but according to the record and according to the applicant's own application, there seems to be a pending appeal.  This was now after the applicant was convicted in the regional Court in Germiston.  I don't know why that record could not be traced, but as far as I'm con - as far as I know those appeals are being dealt with by the Attorney General, which office is just next door here.  And I think it's in the interests of not only the, of the appellant but also probably the interest of justice, that record must be placed before you.  I've asked our police officers and witness protectors whose here now, because we have the full details and the numbers of the appeal record, and I would ask permission for that applicant to stand down.
	Maybe we can start the next one while I'm waiting for the original record.  Two copies will be made before say one o'clock, and be placed before you, if that can be allowed.