PHILEMON KABILA MAXAM
We went to the farm believing that we would get weapons.  When you were at Mbekweni you could see, you can see the farm and I would see police and caspirs around that area, around the farm, that particular farm.  We met the owner at the gate.  I stopped him.  I said Mr Noble, we are looking for a job, do you have work for us?  He said he did not.  He walked on.  After he left as we knew that we were not looking for a job, we were looking for weapons.  We went to the house.