EUGENE DE KOCK
Chairperson, as the Commander of Vlakplaas, I liaised directly with the Commander of C1.  Vlakplaas was for example Section C1, which was Counter Terrorism Unit, while Section C2 was the Section which undertook the identification of terrorists and that very same Section C2 also had membership of an organisation known as Trevits, which was a Counter Revolutionary Target Committee, which made decisions about targets.  However, I liaised with Brigadier Schoon, who was the Head of Section 2C and he liaised with the Head of Security who would then have been Gen Johan van der Merwe.  The Head of the Witwatersrand, for example Gen Gerrit Erasmus would not be able to contact me directly and give me an order.  He would have to go to Brigadier Schoon, or to Basie Smit and from there on, the order would come to me.  If anyone of those Officers however, was not available, then it would have been completely within line, or within our line, that one would be permitted to use one's own initiative.  However, this did not happen very regularly.  I was one of the persons who insisted upon liaison with my Officers from higher levels, however, it could have happened.