UNKNOWN
Thank you, Chairperson.
	Chairperson, I need not go to the contents of the requirements of the Act, it's known to the Committee.  But Chairperson, I would like just to highlight some few aspects of this application.
	Chairperson, I'm preaching to the already converted people who know about these things, but for the purposes of the victims, they don't understand these things because they have not been involved in this process.  
	We know, Chairperson, that at the time of the incident there were negotiations in Kempton Park and all the parties were involved in the negotiations, including PAC.  But Chairperson, we also know that it was only PAC in the negotiations in Kempton Park, which was negotiating with the gun, holding the gun.  They did not suspend the armed struggle.  Whilst they were negotiating, at the same time they were busy operating.  And Chairperson, the Committee knows that as a result of that, whilst they were in negotiations, in the same May, PAC offices all over the country were raided and leaders were arrested.  It nearly destroyed the whole negotiating process, as a result of that.  
	And as a result of that, PAC, it's also documented that they decided APLA was to intensify the struggle.  And some of the incidents one would know, one of the Members, Mr Lax knows that the Diepkloof incident was also a sequel of that, that you must hit hard to the enemy after those raidings of the PAC offices and the arresting of their leaders.  So they intensified and at the same time they were in the negotiations.
	And Chairperson, we also know that it was the year in which the late Commander of APLA, Sabelo Pama, declared it as the Year of the Great Storm, and we know what does that mean.  And at that year it was - in fact if I may put it in a more crude manner, it was almost a year, they wanted it to be a year of anarchy, you know.  So all those things, Chairperson, it's known by the Committee, but the victims don't know about those things.
	And also, Chairperson, we know that in as much as the PAC was at pains to explain its policies, but these things happened that they - in fact the last document which was submitted by Ngelan Moendane, when the Chairman of the TRC process asked that the PAC must spell out is policy towards whites and they explained it and how they interpreted it.  And many a times, I'm not intending to bore you, that I've said that that submission was based on this book on Sobukwe ...(intervention)