ADV BOSMAN
Mr Wagener, may I just ask, for the purpose of argument, you drew an analogy between the Lesotho Raid matter and this particular matter.  I'm just asking this to clarify the issue in my own mind.  In the Lesotho Raid the evidence that was sort-of questioned was that of the person who actually gave the order and in this matter we have three footsoldiers' evidence and the middle person, the one who gave the order to them, is missing in the whole scenario.  How does that affect your argument?  I know that you are not particularly relying on the Lesotho Raid as a precedent, but you did mention it extensively and I would just like to hear you on that.