FERDINAND BARNARD
That is correct Chairperson.  The situation originated that Joe Verster who had walked the whole road with me, denied everything about the Webster incident and when the chips were down and they saw that there was a possible prosecution, if Judge Stegman were to make a finding that it was a CCB project, we could all be charged, and they all turned.
	When I looked again, they had all turned and they were all incriminating me.