MR TIPP
Mr Chairman, may I with respect, add to that?  That we object also to this line of questioning and that particular question.  The inquest court dealt with the deceased and only the deceased.  One does not know and Mr Zuma does not know what may yet emerge in respect of those who have been injured and whether or not that might not give rise to a proper basis for prosecution.  One does not know whether there may yet be a basis for civil liability of Mr Zuma himself and in any event, Mr Chairman, that can surely not be the touchstone for the granting of amnesty or the refusal of it.