ANDRIES MOZIKEFANI GAMEDE
Maybe, Commissioner, because I think it's important as a member of the community in Piet Retief to mention this.  I think we still have a traumatised community in Piet Retief and I would appeal honestly, you know, I respect your position, but I think those people who were involved, you know, with the violence, I think it's important for unity and reconciliation that people must stop this story of trying to hide because it won't help us.  It won't clear.  If people believe that I as Andries Gamede I was involved in violence and that person, because it still persists in Piet Retief, there are people who lost loved ones, I believe that more especially Mr Msibi is a person I know very well.  He's here today.
	Mr Pienaar and Mkhwanazi because you can go to Piet Retief now, they believe that those were the people who created violence in that area.  I think for their benefit I believe very strongly that they can take lawyers.  The system that was there defended them, the courts, the police and everything, they were not prosecuted you know, because of the system that existed, but I think for the interest of the community it will be important that one day maybe in their hearts they must decide which I'm prepared as a leader of the community now that maybe we go back to the community and say, "Sorry, it was part of the conflict.  We had hoped that maybe the Nationalist Party was going to continue to be in power and it didn't happen".  Because continuing trying to say, "No, I will defend, I will have a lawyer", you'll have money.  
	These TRC processes, other people are just making money, lawyers are just making money, but the issues that the communities where I come from, they have been deeply affected.  As I made a mention of that lady who was shot, it was not a question that he was shot, you know, he was led to lie down, that Indian lady and shot through the vagina.  And that people know, it happened.  It was said in court.  So, for people's sake and I'm appealing to everybody, I was not involved with this killing, he knows that, he knows Msibi.  I was not involved with the shooting, but I'm appealing honestly, you know, it doesn't help to protect that I know nothing, I know nothing.  That's all I want to say.  Thank you.