MR AMEEN
Okay.  Alright just to clarify your evidence, can you tell us when comrade Sam and comrade Tamee arrived at Jeff's house.  They had been there earlier in the morning when it was discovered that the house was burnt, they then left.  Now the youths had been brought to the house - from that time up to the time they left, can you tell us at which point comrade Tamee and Comrade Sam arrived?