PATIENCE NOBSUTHU SABATANA
Yes I can.  The person who came to us and gave the information and told us that there was a big fight in the camp, although he was not present during the fight. This information was being kept as a secret because I was not supposed to know about this.  This person says he was also looking for Mncedisi because he knew his family he felt that he should make enquiries.  When he asked what had happened about him because he had disappeared, he was informed that there was a big fight and Mncedisi was killed during this, and this person is now in Western Germany, and he was here in February.  So I asked this person, because he said, when he was last here when I asked him what happened he said he didn't want me to know about this. They talked secretly about it, but I gave myself a chance to go and visit this person in February.  I called him and said, "Luvuyo, can you really tell me what happened to Mncedisi?", and he said, "Aunt Mncedisi died but I learned this I should not give this information to you", but what I know is that he is in Western Germany.  But this was known before that he is in Western Germany, that is why I have come here to the Truth Commission because I am not certain of what happened.