MR VISSER
Mr Makhubalo, please let us confine ourselves.  The kombi has just arrived, do you understand that.  Is has just stopped.  Mr Mamome says I called Oupa Makhubalo, you say that is not so.
	I am putting to you that Mr Motsamai at that stage, was sitting behind Mr Mamome on the back seat, on one of the back seats of the kombi.  And I am asking you can you deny that?  Do you remember that?