MR MALAN
Thank you very much.  Mrs Grobelaar, Mr Grobelaar, thank you very much for being here today.  May I just say very briefly that we will rely on you as if the background of this story deals with a period of time of 1990 and 1993 and your son was involved in right wing politics in a rather strange way, but the issue is not clear at all and it is against that background that we would like to listen to your evidence.  May I also say that you have given us a very complete statement with places, dates, times, it's one of the most extensive statements which we have received as yet and we thank you for that as well.
 I think my understanding is that we will not go into find detail here but if you can place these details in context for the Commission?  Could you tell us who was your son, what was he like? How did he change over the years? What was he allegedly involved in, what happened?  We know it's a very very painful task and if it becomes too difficult, then just relax for a while, we'll understand.  Thank you very much.