MR PHOSA
And what I - I don't want to spend more time on this, what I'm suggesting to you is this Mr Nieuwoudt, even in - as 1986 the Government of the country had not given up on legal means of turning round the situation.  Mind you this was 1989, this document was in - it talks about 1989, do you remember that?  So even as late as 1989, the Government was still trying to do things that way.