MR JACK DEMONSTRATES
Okay. In 1982 I wasn't, I hadn't had a brush with them - was it 1982?  Ja, well, I was arrested in the Ciskei and then in 1983, ja, that's the year I wasn't detained myself. In 1984, in January 1984, is the time when Nieuwoudt assaulted me during that time, and again, with of course, not only assault as I said, the physical and psychological torture he used to embark upon, for example, the case he opened against me of attempted armed robbery and attempted murder. Those cases were instituted by him through his spy, Patrick Hlongwane, and that is what he, after assaulting me there, he followed with those two cases on me.  And with the others that I have already told about.