CHRISTOFFEL PIERRE VAN DER WESTHUIZEN
Yes.  Chairperson, we did not from the outset want to create new structures, we rather wanted to involve the existing structures, the JMCs and the so-called "GBR" system, and the regional advice systems.  So in other words, we wanted to work with the existing structures.  The whole idea of Plan Strelitzia was on the regional level to join up all these bodies and structures so that it could jointly form a counter-revolutionary structure which also had to involve the Transkei and the Ciskei as independent States.