MR VISSER
Thank you Mr Chairman.  Perhaps, I should just refer to the wording of the Act, Section 19, sub-section four, which deals with hearings of this Committee and that section provides,
"... if an application has not been dealt with in terms of sub-section three ...",
which is an informal procedure, as you know, Mr Chairman,
"... the Committee shall conduct a hearing as contemplated in Chapter six and shall, subject to the provisions of Section 33(A), in the prescribed manner notify the applicant and any victim or person implicated or having an interest in the application."
Those are the classes of people, Mr Chairman, who are entitled to receive notification and who are entitled to be before you to have their case put or to put their cases themselves.  As I was saying, Mr Chairman, we know that there is a background here of a police investigation, a prosecution in a court and two people were, in fact, found guilty.  If you will refer, Mr Chairman, to page 57 of your bundle, that is a Truth and Reconciliation Commission investigative report.  It is, well, ours is unsigned.  It says, the investigator is Kamagu and Christianson, but what I which to refer you to, Mr Chairman, is, first of all, at page 57 Mr Sipho Moses Mbakwe and Darlington Nkosinatie Engochla are described as victims, right at the top of the page.
	Can I then go over the page to page 58, at the bottom of that page you will see that van der Kolf, Rossouw, Starke, all Kimberley Police Department, are described as perpetrators.  Now, Mr Chairman, most importantly, may I refer you to page 59, to give you the background of why we are here and what the issues at stake are.  First it talks of corroboration and it says that ... (intervention).