MR VISSER
Mr Chairman, you will recall that this witness has given you no political objective for any of the matters for which he applies for amnesty.  That will be our submission at the end of the day.
	I am now Mr Chairman, asking him questions so that if he did in fact perform any of these acts which he says he did, for political motives, that he can tell us.  Part of that Mr Chairman, is Section 22 (f) which says that if he acted from personal malice or for personal gain, as you will know Mr Chairman, then that is not a consideration which will make it a deed, an act - just allow me to finish  Mr Chairman - committed with a political motive.
	Here is a man who has been stabbed, he is the complainant in a criminal case.  He goes to court, gives evidence, four people are discharged, found not guilty and discharged.
	I now ask him what the exact instructions were from Shaw and Erasmus.  He tells him two things. He says one, he is a political activists and two, every time he goes to court, he is acquitted.
	On that score Mr Chairman, I submit that I am perfectly entitled to ask him was that part of the reason why you received the instructions, based on the fact that the people felt that they had a grudge against him because he was released every time, because it is not a political objective, clearly.