EUGENE DE KOCK
Chairperson, I cannot assist you there.  With the very first attempt for which we collected the weapons and when it was delivered by Van der Westhuizen in Bloemfontein, for transport to Queenstown, at that time, if it wasn't the very same day or the day after, Commandant Nieuwoudt and I left for Vienna in Europe where we recruited a senior ANC member for DCC.  However, I cannot give you any further details regarding that, apart from the fact that upon my return, I was informed by means of Security and press reports, that 25 men had been arrested at Queenstown and that weapons had been found.  However, I do not know whether Commandant Duli was one of the people, I didn't know him.  Even if I had seen his name, it wouldn't have meant anything to me.  I don't know whether or not he was released on bail when the failed coup attempt was made.