MR SMUTS
Well Mr Chairman, we know what the facts are in this case and we know who was attacked.  We know that AWB people were not attacked.  If he's claiming amnesty in this application in respect of an attack on members of the AWB, then so be it, then I have no questions.  If he's claiming amnesty for the attack which was perpetrated at Mpandi on the 13th April 1993, then with respect, he owes an explanation for the use of racist terminology in his amnesty application.