ISRAEL HLONGWANE
It's that I did not actually like writing what I've heard.  When I arrived they were using the medicine and the blood was taken so when Zekele told me to do this I just carried it out, the action.  Zekele Lana is my witness, Nkolisi used to tell me, so what I'm saying it's not a hearsay, it's so unfortunate that this very same ....[inaudible] jump these chickens but where Zekele is lying even his bones knows very well that the violence here at Mpumalanga is because of him and our hands.  He knows very well lying there on the soil.   Even now, even if he wakes up I would tell him that on such and such a day we held a meeting and this is what transpired.  What I'm talking about it's such - amazing that this rape they're actually perceiving it as like a crime or something.  If I can explain without taking your time.  Yes indeed, when I left to Ulundi I actually arrived at M.Z. who was the assistant to Mr Buthelezi.  The bed was given to me, food was given, everything and thereafter I was supposed to go for a training and thereafter Mondli was arrested and then I was taken to stay in his store.  His wife used to call me her son.  Whenever I wanted I used to drink tea, whenever I needed a gun I used to get it.  I was doing something that was done by Inkatha from there on the bottom.  My money never stopped, it wasn't terminated.  Everyone knows very well what I was doing wherever and whenever.  I carried all these things.