MS VAN DER WALT
Mr Chairperson, it is correct.  I got the impression when I went through the documents, that this statement which is referred to now is a summary by someone and we do not know who.  No references are made to Annexure A or B in the statement.  The evidence of this applicant was led by an experienced legal person and when he was questioned on this it was confirmed, the evidence, Mr Mndebele's testimony but it when it was led by his applicant it was confirmed ...[intervention]