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Mr Chair, my instructions are that he applied for amnesty.  At the same time he was called upon to attend a consultation at Pretoria as an objector to Ngo's application.  At some stage it was discovered by the legal representatives of the police that he had in fact had applied for amnesty and they then disassociated themselves with him and they left him in the hands of the TRC.  The TRC then took the statement from him.