CROSBY KOLANI NDINISA
What I can say is that in 1985 under the State of Emergency in Mbekweni the situation was very terrible.  There was conflict between AZAPO, UDF and PAYCO.  UDF and PAYCO were working together.  AZAPO was being helped by the SADF and SAP, the police.  They were attacking UDF and PAYCO.  There were a lot of people who lost their lives.  They were members of UDF and PAYCO.  I can mention their names.  Up until seven of them died and they were attacked by AZAPO members.  Others were attacked while the police were there.  Others were attacked when the police were not there.  This situation led to us attacking AZAPO.  I took part in burning down AZAPO members' houses.  We threw petrol bombs.  The police were attacking.  I was amongst the people who were attacking the police.  We were stoning them and using petrol bombs to them.
	There were also guns we shot at the police and the police shot at us by rubber bullets and they dispersed teargas.  Some of them Comrades had guns with them and they also shot at the police.  We were under the State of Emergency in 1985.  This happened everyday.  It was very difficult.  People were scared all the time because of this situation.