URIAL ABRAHAMSE
I'll make an example of Thami Mnyele.  Thami and I used to have a friendly rivalry about music.  Prior to my arrival in Botswana, Thami always had the best collection of South African music and I over a very short period of time, managed to build up what was considered an even better collection with the result that Thami and I often spoke and we spoke about music, we spoke about the arts, we spoke about culture and after the raid, I went with Thami's wife to their house for her to collect some of her things.  That is how close I was to both Thami and his wife and I know definitely that Thami was not involved in military activities.  I can say the same about Mike Hamlyn, I can say exactly the same about Ahmed Geer, I'm saying that those are three people that I know who were killed and who had no role at all in military operations.