MR OOSTHUIZEN
Madam Chair, yes.  That is indeed a question that came up during the criminal trial as well, and I think we are now looking at the aspect of negligence and intention.  It is my respectful submission Madam Chair, that when this act was committed, there was not much time for my client as he had a job to do, he had certain orders that was given to him, and he as a faithful member of the IFP ...