MR DU TOIT
I don't think I had a closer relationship with him. I had contact with all of them routinely.  Now Ngxobongwana was also absent for long periods of time, during 1985 especially, so I wouldn't say I had a close relationship with him in that time.
 From the time that Crossroads was upgraded, from that point onwards, I think I had a better understanding with him.  I think in the first years he was more reserved, as I said just now, I don't think he was as sincere in his relationship with me as I was towards him.