MR HATTINGH
Mr Chairman, from the outset I said I think, this is one of the occasions where I require your assistance and direction.
	There can no other way be a trial within a trial, to say if he denies, that is not enough to make it impossible to confront him with it.  It is still there.  He makes the allegation that he acted on all incidents with a political motive, we do not believe him.
	Now he makes the allegation that this was obtained on an improper way, we do not believe him, and we would like to prove the ...