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Paragraph 72 Mr Chairman, that's correct.  
Thank you Mr Justice Wilson.
	If you look at the time when these things were said on the 
26th of April according to Captain de Waal, if you look at what 
he said about the list which is referred to just previously and 
which was obtained from Arthur Kemp, where she asked him
		"Was Arthus Kemp taken into custody?"
It's a continuation of these pages, and you will see that Arthur 
Kemp, on the 21st of April already made his statement and there 
he conceded that he had provided a list, compiled a list and 
provided it to Mrs Derby-Lewis.  This was a known fact to 
Captain de Waal at that stage because he himself said he arrested 
him, at least he arrested Kemp.  Now to come and say that he 
then first wanted to establish certain facts, does not make any 
sense.
	From paragraph 66 in that same statement you see the part, 
the handwritten part regarding Kemp matter and furthermore 
reference is also made to Kemp in the other paragraphs.  Mrs 
Derby-Lewis testifies that Captain de Waal told her what to say.  
If you take this fact into consideration, that none of these 
statements made according to Section 29 formed part of the trial, 
was never presented, on the contrary at that stage it was not a 
legal requirement in any case that statements and a dossier be 
made available.
	At that time when Mrs Derby-Lewis was in custody she kept 
notes and after she was released according to Section 29, she 
specifically said what her experiences were in custody in terms of 
Section 29.  Exhibit 1A was what she wrote and furthermore she 
also wrote an article which appeared in the document "Ons eie". 
  In Exhibit A1 she said that she wrote hundreds of pages.