KWANELE ARTHUR MFENE
Yes, I do understand you.  What happened is, the police operate like this.  You discuss issues, all of you would discuss issues and you would plan something.  It's like when we were going to raid thieves in a certain area, there would be police amongst us who would go forward and tell those thieves what we were going to do, so if you were operating you were supposed to treat this in a secret way.  We didn't tell the commissioner that we wanted Gqozo to resign.  When he asked a few minutes to go and meet with him, we thought that it was going to be few minutes.  We didn't want him to think or suspect that we were aiming at removing Brig Gqozo and indeed our plan did work, that happened.