CHAIRPERSON
Yes it seems to be the case and Mr Clarke has submitted that he wouldn't necessarily seriously argue against an allegation that they came to the shop on the basis of having been mandated by the roadblock which seems to have been the source of authority to embark on this but the question relates to the incident itself, you know, that is where the real issue lies, that of course on the evidence before us turns out to be you know a robbery, on all accounts it appears there's a lady on her own in the shop who knows what has happened there.  Mr Clarke indicates that there might very well even have been some or other difference of opinion, some argument, one can't say what happened.