MR KAHANOVITZ
Mr Botha, I want to ask you a question now on the assumption that your evidence is correct that this limpet mine was not doctored to add shrapnel, and let's assume for the sake of this question, that this limpet mine was never doctored.  Now if you look at the kind of damage that that limpet caused to this wall, I assume you will agree with me that the force of the explosion was certainly capable of killing people?