MR VISSER
Yes, well, let me just put to you that Mr Memani, who is Mr Ngo's counsel and who is also your counsel, led that evidence quite clearly that we are talking about attacks and assaults at Botshabelo and I am not suggesting to you Mr Motsamai, that I am referring to anybody that was brought from Botshabelo to Bloemfontein.
	We are very specific about it as was Mr Ngo when his counsel led him in evidence in chief, it was an assault and torture at Botshabelo.  Now my question to you is this, why does Ngo implicate you innocently in this affair of assault and torture, grievous torture of people at Botshabelo do you think?