ROBERT V O ZUMA
We went towards Lastla -  I knew a bit of the place, that's where we shot one old man.  I was just watching at the time, I didn't wish to be involved in attacking those people at that time, I don't know why it happened.  However, they shot that person and we, after that we left the place.  On our way we met two people and Gumbi shot them.  He shot at them because he thought they were coming to find out as to what's happening hearing the gunshots.  I don't know whether he killed them or not.
	We continued to a place called Matafeni.   When we arrived at Matafeni we entered at the first homestead, it was a new homestead.  We asked the mother in the house and she told us that she's coming from a particular place and we discovered that it was only the woman and there was nobody in the house, so we left to pass that family an we continued.
	I was insisting to them that they shouldn't kill women on our way because I intended that we should fight the ANC's young comrades.  However, most of the people with us they said, we have to kill all of them because we also lost our mothers in the war so whoever we find on the way, even the children, we have to kill them.
	I realised that there was nothing that I was going to do because if I continued to disagree with them, they were turn against me and kill me so I kept quiet and kept on watching all the incidents, whatever, all the things they were doing.  That's all I have to say.
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