CHAIRPERSON
So you don't have any firm view.  You would prefer to - I think usually you can only argue once you have listened to all the evidence and your argument can only be based on the full evidence because it must be a full argument, you can't have a partial argument.  Mr Oosthuizen, I think you really have to have a view particularly because it would impinge on the success or failure of your applicants of your client's application.