TREVOR PHUMAYO
Of course yes, because as I have said, maybe two answer that question very concisely and clearly, I can maybe draw you to the political context of that time.  I can say that during the 1990's and 1991 and early 1992, there was a political conflict and turmoil during those times, and if I can recollect very clearly, the last incident where someone was killed in a political conflict, was round about early in 1992, actually a certain ANC member was killed there, and that was the last.
	Thereafter things turned to be, you know, to subside.  There were no conflicts at all, although there was that tension between the people, but that was no longer exposed, and it was no longer this fighting between the two organisations and whatsoever.
	That is why I am saying at that particular juncture, you know, you could have not, you know, frequented those streets during 1990, 1992, 1992, but in 1993, yes it was normal for a person, even up to nine, ten, eleven, you know, things has gone to a normal situation indeed.