MR WILLS
Well I submit with respect that in order for the Committee to take cognisance of that argument, which with respect I haven't seen, this is the first I've heard of it, but that argument must be put to the test of cross-examination.  Hlongwane has come here, he's testified under oath, he's subjected himself to cross-examination by a number of legal teams, and the same can't be said of the person who may be opposing him.  And to that extent I would submit that the evidence of Mr Hlongwane must be accepted above the evidence of these persons.