FERDIE HARTZENBERG
We actually didn't regard him as a patron or a champion of the Afrikaner and also not of the Conservative Party, we realised that Mr Chris Hani was the Commanding Officer of Umkhonto weSizwe.  That Mr Chris Hani had on occasion said that the Whites had to be maimed so that - when they were visited by their next of kin, the people would say: "The price is too high" and they would surrender.
	And that members of Parliament had to be killed, that certain members of the judiciary had to be killed, that the country had to be turned into a wasteland.  And we in fact regarded him as more or less enemy number one of the Afrikaner.