MS PATEL
Before I respond directly to your question, I also want to place before you the finding of the court in that.  None of the victims in terms of the finding of the court were in fact told that the purpose of the group coming there was to force those farmers to leave.  So that is the one point and following on that my response would be that perhaps they could have been intimidated in other ways, perhaps their property could have been damaged to a serious extent.  If my understanding of the type of farming in this area is correct, it relates to stock farming.  There's no reason why they couldn't have been deprived of their stock on a continuous basis so that they would then eventually be forced to leave the area and if you accept that it was necessary for some measure of assault to take place in order for them to be intimidated, it is still my respectful submission that the extent of the assault upon these victims was unnecessary to achieve the desired object.