BERNARD MAKGABO NGOEPE
Sorry, are you dealing with credibility or anything in particular other than credibility, should we understand that you are dealing with credibility?
ADV. MTHEMBU: That is correct.
	It was accused No. 1 says that when the other two people ran away, they did so from the yard, but he didn't do so and when you confront him he was inside the yard not as you have put it on your statement.
INSP. DE LA REY: Mr Chairperson, that is simply not true it is not so that accused No. 1 was in the yard. That is not true.
ADV. MTHEMBU: Accused No. 2, sorry, accused No. 1 further says that he had no injuries on his wrist but that the injuries were on his thighs and somewhere on his buttock.
INSP. DE LA REY: Mr Chairperson, accused No. 1 did have some old injuries apart from those on his wrists - I beg your pardon on both of his wrists.
ADV. MTHEMBU: Now, the articles mentioned in paragraph 13, are you certain that all these articles belonged to the deceased?
INSP. DE LA REY: Mr Chairperson, I am very sure about the brown wallet and the cash in the wallet, the dollar notes contained therein and the card with personal particulars of the deceased person as well as the gold men's watch which I removed from accused No. 1's arm and also the personal particulars of the deceased were noted there, the other Husky Denim wallet I cannot remember perhaps I can just refresh my memory and look at the identified property list. Mr Chairperson, it seems to me as though the blue denim wallet, the Husky wallet was not identified as being the property of the deceased.
ADV. MTHEMBU: And you will not deny the fact that the blue denim Husky purse belonged to accused No. 1. Is that correct?
INSP. DE LA REY: That is correct, I cannot deny that.
ADV. MTHEMBU: And you further confirm that the manner in which these articles are set out in paragraph 13 one gets the impression that all of these articles belonged to the deceased?
INSP. DE LA REY: What I am positively sure of is the brown wallet, that was identified positively, it is difficult for somebody to identify cash but because the cash was in the wallet and there was a card with the personal particulars of the deceased on it that was also in the wallet and therefore it was identified as being the property of the deceased. The watch very definitely, yes, because his initials and surname were also on the watch and that is why it was identified positively as being the property of the deceased. All that I can say is that the cash will be difficult to prove that it was the deceased.
ADV. MTHEMBU: Furthermore inspector, when you, when accused No. 1 was arrested, was he or was he not wearing a leather jacket? Can you still remember?
INSP. DE LA REY: Yes, I can remember, Mr Chairperson, at the stage when he was arrested by the bystanders and handed over to me he did not have on a leather jacket.
ADV. MTHEMBU: But accused No. 1 says that when you arrested him, you asked him, you personally asked him to remove the leather jacket because you had no money and could not afford one. Did you say that to him?
INSP. DE LA REY: That is not true at all. At no stage he didn't have a leather jacket on so I couldn't have searched it.
ADV. MTHEMBU: Accused No. 1, further says that the brown wallet that you are referring to, paragraph 13.1 and paragraph 13.3 that these items you found in the car and only the item listed in paragraph 13.2 was found on his person.
INSP. DE LA REY: That is not correct, Mr Chairperson.
ADV. MTHEMBU: Sgt. van der Watt, did he tell you where he had got hold of the articles mentioned in paragraph 14?
INSP. DE LA REY: He did tell me and after he had handed in his statement he confirmed where he had taken possession of these articles, namely the leather jacket, the hankie and the ammunition and the firearm.