FERDINAND BARNARD
Well, Mr Chairperson, what I did is that I was lying low.  I was told to lie low, I will be contacted again and that's what I did, but as I have said to you before, at a previous opportunity Mr Luitingh told me that I will be applied in a different way and in July, after the death of Dr Webster, Mr Luitingh again contacted me.  I cannot recall if it was at the Hyperama or not.  At the Hyperama the area was so big in Florida that we divided up in three sectors, so we'd say:  "I'll see you in number one, or two or three" and I assume that I saw him there again.  I think it was somewhere in July and he handed over R12 000 in cash, which would then be the three months salary, then I did not hear from him again for quite a while.  I followed the stories in the media and then in June I was contacted by another member of the CCB in a different region and I was despatched to South West Africa, Namibia.