MR MALAN
Just before we, Chair with your permission, may I also ask you on your return, or during the break, to clarify with the applicant the first part of his evidence where he said he took, I think he said the 9mm, he took a gun from that arms cache and we're not sure whether this is the home-made gun or the pistol now, but he also told us then in the beginning, in his evidence-in-chief as you led it, that he did not tell any of the others, specifically not even Lucky and I questioned him on that and he said that Lucky could not be trusted, then suddenly a little later on emerges evidence that he distributed those guns.  Can we have - can you also clear this with him please?