N JACK MENERA
I will explain it in this manner so that the Commission understands when I say that the gangster had a good relationship with the police.  When I refer to the first action taken against Mr Phelane, these toilet bucket action that we spilled at his house, the comrades were arrested on that day were not arrested by the police, they were arrested by the gangster, taking them in these police vehicles.  In this case which I'm still on trial for, after we took this first action against Mr Morgan Phelane, these two comrades from Virginia were not arrested by the police, they were arrested by this gangster and he took them to these police vehicles. I want to say, the gangster and the police collaborated, they worked together.