MR WILLS
Yes, Ms Committee Member, my submission in that regard would be that the majority of the incidences, by far, that Hlongwane was involved in, were attacks in the opposition's territory.  His whole modus operandi particularly from when he left Hammarsdale, was he was a single operator. He didn't go with groups.  He had people pointing out places for him.  In Ermelo it was the individual by the name of China, they went looking into the enemy turf for people.  They shot them and attacked them in their turf and then they came back.  This is one of the few examples where an actual attack occurred in the safety of his home ground, where he had the luxury, of one can very badly described it that way, of saying to his, his co-operatives, to say, you keep these people in custody, while I go, and I don't think that is disputed, while I go and seek guidance on what to do with these people from our leader.  And as he says in his evidence it was the first time that he was dealing with women.  That's as far as I can take it.