CHAIRPERSON
I think, Mr Smuts, it cannot be denied that that was the policy of the ANC, public policy at least.  The fact of the matter is that these group of people did not heed to those calls at the time Mr Hani was killed.  All of them have explained that they embarked on this venture, if I may call it that, in a act of defence of their leadership as a warning "leave the leadership alone, we're not going to tolerate an attack on the leadership again."  Isn't that in essence what he's saying?