CAPT MENTZ
Mr Chairperson, I cannot attach a time to it, I think it was, everything happened so 
quickly, it could
have been a matter of a minute getting him from the car to the kombi, it was seven to ten metres, we took  
him from the - grabbed him out of the vehicle and first he was on the ground so that we could bring him 
under control by assaulting him and then we picked him up and ran to the kombi.  The door was open, the 
seat was down, we put him at the back and then we were able to tie his hands.	Everything happened 
so fast.