CHAIRPERSON
It's  really a puzzlement, I am just puzzled that Mr Odendal, even in the light of evidence that has been led in this hearing by Mr Schelhase and by other witnesses, by people who observed, who meticulously observed and recorded what was happening,  okay they were not official people, but Mr Schelhase was very well placed as a person who knew and understood what was happening, now my puzzlement is that Mr Odendal is holding on to the testimony, to what he said during the case at the time regarding the squatter camp area.  Now you seem to be holding on to that even though there has been evidence to the contrary.  Now what is your comment?   I mean the involvement of the State you don't seem to be recognising that at all.  You are just telling us that this was simply a reaction by Witdoeke to Comrades' killings.