GIDEON JOHANNES NIEWOUDT
Yes, I am trying to simply describe what my observations were in my layman's terms Mr Chairperson.  I went and reported this to Colonel Goosen.  He then came and told me that he would arrange for the necessary medical examination.
	At approximately four o'clock, just before four that afternoon Mr Beneke and myself, untied Mr Biko from the bars and just before that I noticed that he had urinated, he had wet himself.  I then untied him from the bars, I placed him on a mat, a cell mate.  His feet were still attached to the grill.