FERDINAND BARNARD
This was one of the first fruits that I reaped from the network that I had begun to establish.  He was an international gold and precious stones smuggler.  I had come to hear of him and I originally came to know of him through the Indian Mafia.  A figure in the Mafia approached me and asked me if I would be prepared to provide security for him.  This man was coming from Zimbabwe and they wanted to conduct a gold transaction with unprocessed gold of 10 kgs and he wanted to determine whether or not there would be a police trap.  As a result of this, I identified George Mitchell who was with him.  He was a former policeman from the narcotics desk at John Vorster Square.  I had various meetings with them.  The business was conducted and from discussions with Mitchell and later McQuillan, I realised that McQuillan was a suitable person for the activities of the CCB.  I reported this to Lafras Luitingh, I told him that there was such a person, because McQuillan was in and out.  This business with the gold was conducted on a fortnightly or three weekly basis and I became acquainted with McQuillan and he told me he had a military background.  I gave him the cover story of CCB, the consortium of business persons and when I told him this for the first time, he told me that he thought I was working for Military Intelligence or National Intelligence, that was his suspicion and that if this was correct, he would be prepared to provide me with information but not in Zimbabwe where he and his loved ones resided.  He also told me that he had extensive contacts in Europe and in London.  Among others, he showed a passport to me and I saw that he was well read.