PHILEMON KABILA MAXAM
A lot of things happened especially December, late 85.  We would be burying people all the time.  Things that happened left a lot of pain.  I was accused of having burnt down a house.  Members of AZAPO came to my house on a Sunday to accuse me of this.  They told me that they had killed Abraham Gwena.  We called him Rasta and they said that they would come and finish me off as well.  The time that they were standing at my house some members of my family were in the house and others outside.  There were police vans patrolling the place.  They did not do anything about this.  These AZAPO people left freely.  The situation at Mbekweni was terrible.
	Even the people who were delivering furniture at Mbekweni could not go in.  You had to personally hire a van to go and get your own furniture.  Day and night it was the same.  AZAPO people did a lot of things.  Some of them I would witness myself.  Then there came the day when we decided, as the youth, to retaliate, because we could see clearly that the police was working together with these people.  Our people were being destroyed.  We decided that we needed weapons.  I said that in Radio Freedom if you were listening properly to Chris Hani and you looked at the Tambo text, you will realise, I said, that the ANC was saying that it supported us buying our own weapons to protect our own communities against the enemy or we could get arms from farms, white people's farms, because they kept a lot of weapons or disarm the police and the soldiers.  We endeavoured all this.  I decided to buy myself a weapon as well.  I bought myself a gun.  The same gun that I used on the 15th of April.  The situation was terrible.