MR JACK DEMONSTRATES
Okay.  The police station is standing like - about say 15 metre, 15 metres from the place that was originally the fort.  Then you come into the fort, which is dark.  There's never been any light in there.  There is a door.  When you open the door as you come in, then the sunlight would come in.  The time was roundabout four and five.
"Mr Nieuwoudt accompanied me to this new residence of mine. (Laughter).
	There was a sort of a trap door, much like this.  It could have been two by two, whatever.  Then you pick that up and you put a step-ladder down and then they put it down and then you walk - you move down there and then they take it out.
He said let him stay there until he, but in Afrikaans, he said;  hy moet daar vrot. (He must rot there).
I finished that. 
"I went down there. I stayed there. By the mercy of God I was lucky.  I had two slabs of chocolate which were big.  I don't know how I managed to keep them with me.
		I stayed with that there.  To keep my chocolate there I had a competition with the mice that were staying there, trying to get to my chocolate, but after five days or four or five days, I was taken to a doctor, because this fellow, although he said to me he had his wife who was pregnant at the time, this White policeman, came and stood there with his wife and said to me at night;  ek voel niks vir jou nie. (I feel nothing for you.)
		I never saw him.  He never took me on the day he was supposed to take me to the doctor.  I stayed there.  Ultimately I was take to a doctor in Grahamstown.  I cannot remember the name of this young doctor, but that man, in front of this policeman, shouted at him and said;  `what happened to this man,  I want him back here again', and he gave prescription.	That policeman turned around and said that, oh no, never bring me back again there.  He was so angry with me I had to say in front him, yes doctor I'm fine. The doctor said;  `this person is not fine, can't you see', as a result of the torture that was happening there.  I was taken from that place on his instructions.  Locked.  After that they took me out of that place and they put me in a cell in Fort Brown.
	You can go there now.  There is a ... (intervention).