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Well I believe that during that time in the 
country there was chaos. If you look at the evidence of Mr 
Hartzenberg and the exhibit, one or other research where the 
political violence of those times, if you look at that I believe that 
Mr Derby-Lewis who was well acquainted with the politics could 
have believed that through that chaos the right wing groups 
would have become one united group, and they could have taken 
over the government of the day without any further arrangement 
with other people.  This just followed naturally, yes if things did 
not go wrong, they could have approached the right wing in this 
regard. 	
	But regarding your initial question that Mr Walus just 
drove away and he did not panic, there is no evidence, and it's 
also no other person assisted him.  Mr Mpshe asked him whether 
there were any road blocks, he said no he didn't see any road 
blocks. I don't know what the intention of that question was, 
whether the police or somebody else would have helped him, 
there were no road blocks.
...(tape ends  - no further argument by Ms van der Walt