MATHIYA JAMES THELELE
No, what I'm saying is that the, the, the big vans who used to come and make noise during the night and take people away, everyone and we used to cry and, and be in trouble.  Even older women were taken away if they're visiting, coming to see their, their grandchildren and when we tried to help, especially me, they would not listen especially maybe because they used to say, I'm I'm, I'm younger and Mr Manthata used to, to support me.