MS GOBODO-MADIKIZELA
I would just like us to talk  a little bit about the intervention from some superior people, superior members of the police or in fact in your statement you mention ministers as well, what was the extent of this intervention?  You mentioned that Brigadier Van der Westhuizen was quite shaky when he called you and demanded that Ngxobongwana be granted bail.
 Can you tell us a little bit more about this intervention from top members of government?