MR BLACK
Yes, well when I, he, I don't know if - he continued to remain a commander, he's a commander in the MK military wing of the ANC, he obviously communicated with the ANC structures in Nelspruit, he's testified to that effect, and he was actively involved in recruiting and exporting arms.
	By the time this incident took place in October, by the time this activity took place in October of 1992, we have heard in some detail about the actual events which occurred.  On that day, as far as Mr Sambo is concerned, he had been visited by the soldiers, we had photographs but perhaps it was indicated that they weren't that relative, but it was clear that the place had been swept clean of any - or checked for any form of weapons or ammunition.  They had searched the vehicles on his premises as well and the army had left.   Subsequent to the leaving of the army, in short, without going into great detail, a vehicle, 4 x 4, had arrived and two white men had entered his premises and one was seen to be opening the door of the BMW.
	I don't want to dwell in great detail there... (intervention).