CHAIRPERSON
Sorry to interject but, I think the only possibility, and I'm not saying that proportionality applies,  but probably the only possibility that it may apply would be in respect of once the ANC group started to run and there was firing, and you're shooting at fleeing people, then maybe the question of proportionality comes.  But I think I agree with Advocate Sigodi that, you know, if you've got a firearm and there's a huge group of people coming towards you, you know with sticks and machetes, etc., and you start shooting them and just because they haven't got firearms and you kill some of them, they don't kill any of you, probably stretching proportionality a bit far.  But maybe once the retreat was on and then you still carry on shooting and massacring people, then.