MR STEENKAMP
Yes Mr Chairman, I can maybe just put on record that I firstly spoke to Mr Dawid de Beer numerous times, actually I think three times.  He was officially notified, I did sent him a fax to through his employer which he indicated to me is the way he would like to receive his notice.  This was done on the 3rd January 1998, Mr Chairman, to his employer Mr Rootenberg. I've got a copy of the documents in front of me.  That is Mr Dawid de Beer.  The question of Mr Goosen, I received a report from the Investigation Unit in December, I've asked them to do more efforts to see if they can find Mr Goosen.  I personally spoke to Mr Goosen's mother.  She was reluctant and she also indicated she doesn't know where Mr Goosen was.  My report from the Investigation Unit is that they also couldn't trace 	Mr Goosen at this stage so he couldn't be traced sir.  Just for record purposes, sir, I can just put on record that the AWB was officially notified also on the 30th January 1998 via the offices of Mr Eugene Terre'blanche in Roth Street No 23 of Ventersdorp and the victim in this case or victims in this case, Mr Makgalamele could not be traced as well.  We did however trace his previous employer which indicated to us that she didn't know where Mr Makgalamele or his family could be traced.  I personally then traced Mrs Fereshina Pita.