MR LANDMAN
Mr Chairman I wish to refer you to the ANC's second submission to the TRC.  That submission has various parts and part of that submission is headed "Appendix 1 - ANC Structures and Personnel, 1960 - 1994".  Mr Chairman on page 9 of that appendix - possibly if I can just refer to it at this stage and I'll ensure that copies of the relevant pages are made for the Committee in the course of the morning.  Mr Shoke have you got page 9 of that appendix before you?