MR JACK DEMONSTRATES
No, I mean, as I have said, Mr Commissioner, my - when I came here, I was flowing with the spirit of knowing that I am going to achieve the greatest thing in my life of standing here, knowing that Mr Nieuwoudt has really come clean and told what he has done, as he has tried as much as he could with some other more serious issues, like the National Party and all that.  On the smaller things like torturing, the rest of the other people that are here, here in this hall and outside there are thousands and thousands of people who we were leading at the time. And those people are looking at least in times like this, upon us for some direction. And I believe an opportunity was great here for Mr Nieuwoudt to say that he remembers that and that. I am shocked that his lawyer is attempting to disprove this matters instead of assisting him to say that he may have forgotten this, but go on and all that. And personally, from my personal point of view, and I speak solely for myself now, because I believe that the question of forgiveness or whatever is a personal matter, is not a general matter, I have no qualms, I understood clearly Mr Nieuwoudt when he set the rules of the game to me, that it was war, and I was ready to take the consequences from his side. And I am proud today that out of the product of the sacrifices of the people that has stood so definitely opposed to today, is coming to you, the institutions, and the structures those people have put up. I have no objection in him enjoying the fruits and benefits of that freedom that many people have died for. That is my point.