CHAIRPERSON
Just before you move off just one point of clarity, we heard from Mr Maree when he was asked to monitor or get the address of Gavin Evans he didn't even want to do anything himself.  He didn't want to go out, he didn't want to be seen, why did you yourself, as a member of CCB, physically monitor Mr White?  I thought that was against the rules as well.  I thought you always had to have a cut-off.