JOHANNES JACOBUS VIKTOR
I was the founder of Vlakplaas, but not for what you might think what happened there.  I am very glad you asked me that question.  I can tell you now why Vlakplaas was founded.  Because I realised I had a lot of experience in the then Rhodesia and in Namibia and I found that many of the people, whether it's ANC, PAC, it doesn't matter, Afrikaans organisations, they are not really with all their heart in the struggle, and you will find that once a man has been, especially you referring to Vlakplaas, once
EAST LONDON HEARING TRC/EASTERN CAPE
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he's returned to South Africa he's very glad to be back here and once you talk to him you will find that a lot of them there are not interested in the struggle anymore.  And my idea was why must a man go to jail for maybe 10, 15 years just because he went out for military training.