MR LOWIES
The matter is not settled.  What if the applicants may want to?  For argument's sake, just to take the point, what if the applicants may want to say; "There's a finding by the TRC (where there is) that Mr Peens has killed Victor Kheswa", and from that make certain submissions to yourself.  What is the status of that?  It's not been done, it's not been argued.