GIDEON JOHANNES NIEWOUDT
Mr Chairperson, in my interpretation that is the case.  I can produce a political motive, I believe that because I was interrogating him in the context of the conflict of the past.
	He was under our control and in detention, we were interrogating him and we used those methods to generate information which would lead to the neutralising of the unrest and also would serve to protect my government which was facing the threat of a violent overthrow at the time.
	That is what I believed at the time.