MR KHUMALO
Yes, I do understand that.  Even if we would start today with the case, I am sure that I was going to encounter problems because the other comrades, Madala and Jabulani Nzimela, they also applied for amnesty but their forms got lost mysteriously in the Cape Town office.  Therefore, there are incidents where they are also involved in and the lady who is working with Mr Dehal, told us that if I'm going to testify here about things that I did with Madala ...(indistinct) and Jabulani Nzimela, at the end they are going to encounter problems because they will look like people who did not apply for amnesty.  What actually happened - I hope that it is also going to help them if we wait for Mr Dehal, maybe their applications will be found in the Cape Town office.