PIETER JAKOBUS GOUWS
Thank you sir.  Before a leading question is called here, I would like to state that the specific case that was referred to here by Mr de Ru, I don't know the details.  I know that little town, we have precisely one like that or I should say something similar to that, Vierfontein in Bothaville or in the Bothaville area.  During this period of time, I am talking about 1989, 1990, 1991, the farming community went so far as to buy up this little town, buy up all the houses, made them liveable.  This specific one in Vierfontein has barbed wire fences around, etc.
	And we asked the older members of the community not only farmers, but also other people who had been interested in that and so, to settle in in those type of areas where they at least would have the security of policemen patrolling sometimes, they would at least have telephones that cannot be cut very easily, they are right next to a neighbour etc.  Now in Kragbron situation it is very much the same.  The specific person that had been murdered there, I don't know if he was a farmer, previously a farmer or not, because in many of these little towns or in these little towns like in Vierfontein, it is mostly Afrikaner people because the language being used there would be Afrikaans, it is normally under the auspices of a church, so I can say with an open heart it is normally Afrikaner people that would settle in these specific towns, like in Vierfontein definitely the case in Kragbron also to my knowledge.  I cannot say if there was adequate protection in that specific case, yes or no, but what you would have had a very good chance of finding older people there, secondly you probably would have had a very good chance of finding Boers there and lastly you probably you would have had a very good chance of finding boers, in other words retired farmers in that specific little village, Kragbron.