MR SIBEKO
Mr Chairman, I would submit that the vehicle was robbed the same day.  The operation was carried out on the very same day.  Had the mission been successful, that is the delivery of the arms at Thokoza, we would have said the mission was accomplished and as to what would have happened with the bakkie thereafter, it would always remain a speculation because what we have right now doesn't complete the full picture.
	Mr Chairman, I would submit that the version of the applicant having to drive into Dawn Park, although the instruction or the order was clear that we, if needs be, we'll fight out way through and they meet the roadblock, Mr Chairman, I would submit that it is possible that the way they found the roadblock might have been problematic in such a way that in view of their number, they were four, they were in a bakkie and one would have a picture of a massive roadblock into a township where the said township neighbours, a township in turmoil.  It could be expected Mr Chairman that the numbers of the officials or of the officers who are manning that roadblock could have been large in view of the fact that it is expected that arms were shipped into the township or were transported into the said township which is in turmoil.
	Now at the end of the day Mr Chairman it is quite possible that although the order is there, that we've got to fight our way through, it doesn't necessarily mean we've got to submit to our death or to our arrest blindly, knowing very well that this would be impossible to overcome.
	I would submit Mr Chairman that it is quite possible that going back to the drawing boards, going back to stragegise is quite probable under the circumstances.  Mr Chairman, I would understand that there are incidental offences or incidental matters that occurred during this incident, that is the housebreaking which was said to have occurred in or around the area of Dawn Park.  With your permission Mr Chairman, I would quickly try and explain that these are the incident that you are talking about right now, that is to say the applicant doesn't deny that housebreaking might have occurred.  What he is saying that he was never involved.  What he is saying, he and his comrades were never involved in the break in but all what they did was to transport arms from Duduza.  
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