MR BOOYENS
That was not my question, I did not say every time that reference was made to Niewoudt, I said reference is often made to Niewoudt in the statement and if it is necessary I will point it out.
	Reference is often made to Niewoudt where it should either have been Venter or that Niewoudt was not there.  Let us start, page 7 - paragraph 7, the second line from the bottom.  There it says:
"Niewoudt said however that he did not want to become - us to become involved in a shoot-out"
On page 1239 Koole says, right at the top - Mr Chairman, do you want to follow while I'm doing this or is it not necessary?