MR WILLIAMS
Now secondly, you've stated earlier that you consider the offence of pointing a firearm to be equal, to be one of attempted murder.  Now Mr Siyali, you've been in the force for 15 years, you've been a member of the police service for 15 years and do you want to tell, or do you want this Committee to believe, that you do not know the distinction between the offence of the pointing of a firearm and the one of attempted murder?