CHAIRPERSON
Yes.   You see, and also this question of perjury, look, it is always there, etc, but you know, I personally and I am sure my colleagues here have been involved in many, many hearings, many hearings, where we have the trial record and the applicant comes to the Amnesty Committee and says "I did it, this is what I did", etc, he explains his role, etc.  When you take a look at the trial record, and it says "I was not there, I deny it, I don't know anything about it."  Why did you say that in your trial "well, I didn't want to get convicted."  It is very common and I have yet to hear of a perjury charge being laid against anybody that has been used against him, because the whole spirit is to - you know, if that was the problem, if he knew I am applying for amnesty, I am going to get amnesty, but I am going to go to jail for perjury, it just wouldn't work.