SIMON MOGOPO RADEBE
Chairperson, if I understand the question well, the question was saying is there any third person or was I speaking directly with Mr Botha.  So my answer is, there was always an intermediary between myself and Mr Botha, but they would send us but they did not trust us so much.  So even during the operation they would tell us to keep quiet, that if their operation is exposed, they will know that it's us because we were not trusted.