PHILEMON KABILA MAXAM
My involvement with the UDF fighting the AZAPO, I was also a member of PAYCO.  This organisation was quite big.  This organisation had the same visions as the ANC.  As there was conflict between us and the AZAPO what eventually happened is that people would get injured and some even would lose their lives.  Most of the people who died were members of PAYCO.  Therefore, that was the kind of battle that we were in.  The police, it was evident that the police were involved as well.