MR MALAN
I also want to direct a question to Herman.  I have been listening to evidence now over the last two days, and I am trying now to get a broader picture, understanding Huhudi, and what fascinates me is that all the youngsters, round about 17 years of age at that time in 1985 who gave evidence here, all denied flatly, any involvement in any kind of violence.
 Everybody was on the receiving end, the vigilantes, the Councillors, everybody went after them.  They did nothing.  They were just the good people.  They were in high offices in political organizations, but they seemed to have done nothing.  And yet, Councillors' homes were also burnt, vigilantes were also attacked, girls, or a girl, Frida, for instance was burnt.  Nobody knows anything about it.  How MMABATHO HEARING TRC/NORTH WEST
17 B GASEBUE
are we to understand that picture?
 When you showed us the scars on your face - have you been walking the townships, hiding and been caught out from time to time, people beating you up, you doing nothing.  Can you give me a feeling of that world?  It doesn't make sense to my mind.  I don't understand it.
 Is there any way that you can with a word or two help me to understand that picture.