CHAIRPERSON
But Mr Botha just on your response on your opinion as to why it was said, don't you think that Barnard would have been more impressed if Mr van Zyl told him that the purpose wasn't to kill, we set off a bomb and we didn't kill, in other words we achieved the object of the operation?  Rather than make up a story about trying to kill people and failing.  What's that got to do with ego when you are talking about a failure rather than a success?