MR HOLE
That is what they have all said yes.  Now, if I may proceed, Mr Chairman, to deal with the relationship between the act these people have made themselves guilty of and the attainment of their political objective.
	It is my submission that submitting these people to 
this kind of inhumane treatment was done with a view to getting these people to answer certain questions and to confess to certain deeds.   The result of information that would have been obtained by them through this method would have been given to the Commander of these operations and in turn one can assume that the Commander would have given these to the President.  The information they would have given would naturally have been intelligence that would have been useful for the political 
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situation assessment.   Information that would have been useful for the President's son to be found or information that would have been useful for them to know who exactly had sprung Charles Sebe from jail.
	In my submission the acts they had made themselves guilty of were not remote from the political objective that they wished to seek.