MR VISSER
Yes, by date, that is better.  It's the May '97 submissions.  And you will find at page 89, the second from the top, against the date 22 August 1986 - apparently they also have the same date, personnel activity assisting SAP Natal and they say
"Grenade attack on Inkatha's Wellington Sabelo.  AK47 fired at car of his wife as she entered in the driveway, killing her and injuring three children."
	Our information was that she was just injured and not killed.  But be that as it may.
	Chairperson, the group that used AK47 rifle or rifles and a handgrenade or handgrenades, the information in possession of the Security Branch of the applicants, Botha and Steyn, was that Mamela had received military training abroad and that he was a leader of a group who was responsible for attacks in Natal.  And the further information gathered was that the other members of the group were trained inside the country, not as Mamela was outside the country.
	Chairperson, in this regard, Mrs Mamela this morning told you that Brian Mamela was an MK.  You heard from the other three witnesses no evidence to contradict the possibility that they were also involved in activities, although these three witnesses stated that they didn't know about that.