RAYNER MARIA MORINGER
Yes, I had.  I had first of all with Colonel Mzwaiba, telephonic contact and I think we met once in Pretoria, at the Embassy and I think we met once at the Wild Coast Sun where we normally used to meet ... (tape ends) ... from the Transkeian Military Intelligence, which were part of the team, were in Pretoria, respectively in Johannesburg and I had regular contact with those people.