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Did you tell him this or not?  This is your version, the version you have been presenting to the Committee yesterday and today.  It could be another lie that you have dished up for Mr de Kock.
	Why are you lying to him again?  Mr Chairperson, the witness says "if" I said it to him.  That's very far from a denial.  Well let me ask you again.  If Mr de Kock says that that is was you said, what would you say of that?