ADV STEENKAMP
Thank you, Mr Chairman.  Mr Chairman, as far as the requirements of Section 19.4 is concerned, I would like to ask your permission just to place a few comments on record.
	The first being Mr Chairman, that as far as the requirements of Section 19.4 goes, this is now the notices to victims basically, there were certain problems and difficulties which we had to overcome to meet the requirements.  As far as I am concerned, Mr Chairman, we have met them.  We have taken reasonable steps to inform the victims.  
	The first problem being that none of the applicants as far as I am concerned, have referred to any victims.  What was done is that the investigation Unit of the Amnesty Committee was asked to search and find out or get more details about victims.  This was done.  No victims could be traced as far as certain of the applicants go but what I endeavour to is, as each and every applicant is testifying I will indicate whether or not the victim is available and whether or not a person will then oppose the application, if this is in order with you, Mr Chairman, Honourable Members of the Committee.
	There were also two meetings, the first being on the initiative of the Amnesty Committee's Investigation Unit where victims were invited to a hearing or to a meeting last Friday.  No victims could attend this meeting at all.  There was also an ad placed in the mainstream newspapers to invite victims and inform them about the hearing.  No victims came forward either.
	I must also add, Mr Chairman, that a Mr Msisi, a member of parliament of the Inkatha Freedom Party asked or initiated a meeting the last Friday, past Friday.  I was in attendance there and he informed me that as far as he is concerned he is appearing for certain members or victims of the Thokoza township, as it was known at that stage and that they will probably make a submission during the course of these hearings, from that specific section of the community.
	The last thing I want to place on record, Mr Chairman, is that the HRV Committee did manage to take certain statements from certain victims.  The difficulty being that it was not possible because of the lack of detail, to tell whether or not those victims are actually related to the applications of these applicants before you today.  I will endeavour to make sure that all the information relating to each and every applicant will be placed before you.  Thank you, Mr Chairman.