MS PATEL
Certainly.  No they killed many birds with one stone here, that's for sure.  My difficulty however with Mr Nofomela's application is his lack of political motive for this.  He acted purely under instructions, his evidence to us was clear.  As early as 1984 he had difficulties with the role and function of Vlakplaas, the only reason he stayed there was to a large extent that he didn't have any other options, that he stayed there out of pure duress.
	So my submission is, purely on that ground, Mr Nofomela's application should fail.  
	Regarding the application of Mr Vermeulen, I think Mr Shezi had addressed you quite thoroughly and competently on that score and I will not repeat those submissions.  Thank you Honourable Chairperson.