MR VISSER
Well you see Mr Chairman, that's the, really, with all due respect, that's the point.  That document, as you know very well, became available only later Mr Chairman, it wasn't even part of the papers on the first occasion that came out later.   On the first occasion Mr Chairman, what you had was an application form, form 1 and then there was a document, the status of which was obscure from pages 8 to 14 of bundle C.
    The other pages only came later, with all due respect.  And what is more Mr Chairman, is even if pages 8 to 14 should've or ought to have been regarded by us as an application as it stood, as an application for amnesty, Mr Miningwa is not implicated there.
    And I would challenge my learned friend to tell us where he is implicated.