MR MADASA
Thank you, Mr Chair.   Sonti says Vips, he says they went to Khumalo to get others.   Vips Isaac Mbijana and Miles, they found them at Khumalo, but Vips escaped from them, ran away from them, they brought others to the shack, and later on Ngosi and Manyala hunted down Vips and they found him at Khumalo and they killed him.   So he escaped from Sonti and others.   So Vips was with Isaac Mbijana and Miles, but he escaped.   So Manyala and Ngosi found him later and they killed him.   So what I'm saying, madam, is that they cannot say anything further about Vips, because Vips was not in their hands.