MR KRUSE
Thank you.  Now, I want to come to the system you people used, because you seem to testify to say that people were tortured for half an hour, they were taken for nice drives.  You create the impression that we had, Section 29 was quite nice.
	I mean if I just listen to you on the evidence and I was not there, it would be the impression that it was quite a holiday.  I mean most people would want to go there.  And I don't think that is the correct impression that should be created here, I think?