MR VISSER
By swerving - No, Mr Chairman, the evidence of Botha was that their car was on the left-hand side of this car and the kombi in which Wasserman was, was at some stage on the right-hand side of that car, of the Cressida.  The ramming, Chairperson, Botha explained to you was by the Cressida swerving in their direction trying to push them off the road.