MR VISSER
No Chairperson, no with respect, paragraph 32 at page 7 Chairperson, of Exhibit D makes it quite clear that Botha told the Committee exactly that, he told the Committee that soon after Shabalala was arrested they realised that there was a problem and they made a plan and he sets out the plan, Chairperson and that plan he says, in the last sentence, he supposed that Shabalala would not be released, in other words that they would have to keep him or eliminate him.  So it's not fair to say that that was never tendered.