MR ZILWA
Mr Chairman, my submission would be that the ANC was quite alive to the effect that even though it had suspended the armed struggle, it had adopted a policy against violence but the reality of the situation is that people were dying, people were being killed despite ...[indistinct] on the part of everybody else that it was a peaceful process, but the reality was that people were dying and it was exactly because of that, that the ANC saw the need to establish SDU's i.e. in order to defend and to protect the people themselves as well, I assume, as well as their leaders.  Now applying that to the particular circumstances of this case, given the fact that despite it's stated peaceful stance, the ANC had seen it fit to establish SDU's, self defence units.  It was quite alive to the effect that a need may arise when some form of force would have to be used ...[intervention]