MR JANSEN
Well, there is a difference Mr Chairman, I don't want at this stage want to argue to what extent it is material or not but there is that difference that Mr Coetzee's version is that he received the - although there were discussions with van Rensburg generally about them being able to dispose of bodies in this way, the actual Kondile incident - after Mr Coetzee had seen Kondile on the 13th of September, he ...[intervention]