MR MUKADAM
Thank you Mr Chairman and members of the Committee.  Mr Chairman, my instructions are not to oppose the application of amnesty by Mr Gwamanda.  I submit that we are satisfied in so far as his association with a plot to assassinate Mr Phosa, the surrounding facts, he has disclosed to this Committee.
	We submit further that there was no reason for him to make the application, he was not standing trial for it.  There was no obligation, known to anybody that he would be indicted of a crime of conspiracy to murder.  He has come to this Committee we believe because he wanted to speak the truth.
	The role Mr Chairman, of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, is a difficult one in that truth in itself, is never an easy commodity to handle.  In speaking the truth, allegations that may appear to be far fetched, are made.  Consideration Mr Chairman, must be given to the time that we have come through in this country.
	Hopefully the truth and sometimes it may appear far fetched, would be the catalyst to ensure that those acts are not repeated again.
	Our submission Mr Chairman and members of the Committee, is that at the time of the conspiracy to assassinate Mr Phosa, Mr Gwamanda had associated himself with the objective of that conspiracy, and that was a political objective.
	He was recruited by a person with political affiliations, Mr Elijah Mahlaba, who says that he was part of an organisation in the Mpumalanga province where Mr Enoch Mabusa was a member.  He also was recruited and told that if he showed that he has IFP leanings, that that would be considered almost as a kosher political ideology and that would be recognised by members of a right-wing grouping.
	It is under that guise that he became part of this conspiracy.  I agree with the representative for the applicant that the applicant's application falls squarely in terms of Section 20(3)(e) that he had in fact committed the offence in execution either of an order or on behalf of a political organisation, although he may not have been a member thereof, but as an agent thereof.
	He could not have acted on his own, but purely in concert with the members of the AWB and in that regard, my submission is that the objective was a political one and falls squarely within the requirements of the Act.
	My further submission Mr Chairman and members of the Committee is that as my learned friend to my left has indicated, this Committee has to believe various issues.
	One of the issues that one would have, that the Committee would have to look at Mr Chairman, is that the manner in which the evidence of Mr Gwamanda was given, he was forthright, there was no hesitation to answering any questions, he demeanour in answering the question showed that he indeed wanted to speak the truth, and I submit that he did so.
	I submit in so far as his application is concerned, he has made full disclosure with regard to the relevant facts.  At this stage Mr Chairman, and members of the Committee, I wish to state that my instructions are that when Mr Phosa had looked at the television set last night, he had indicated that the applicant was not the person that had come to see him at his home.
	The person purporting to be Boy Gwamanda, was somebody else.  The questions put to him in that regard, I must submit Mr Chairperson, that the answers to those questions were therefore truthful.   My instructions are further Mr Chairperson, that Mr Phosa forgives Mr Gwamanda for his part in the conspiracy and my instructions are, to submit that Mr Gwamanda has satisfied the requirements of the Act and that he should be granted amnesty.  Those are my submissions Mr Chairman and members of the Committee.  I thank you.