MR RHEEDER
Honourable Committee Members, Mr Patrick Siyali is sitting today in front of you applying for amnesty and a lot of questions were raised by a lot of people attending, relating to but was any offence committed, what was your intention that day, what did you do, why did you do it and so forth.  I, with respect, wish to refer the Committee back to the Act which I'm sure the Committee knows by heart at this stage.  It is not only offences that one applies for, for amnesty and I would clearly like to, my learned colleague especially who hammered on the fact of an offence, would like to draw the Committee's attention to it that it's not only offences, but any act, omission or offence and those type of acts associated with a political objective.  That is again defined as any act or omission which constitutes an offence or delict.
	It is at best, I submit, difficult to try and think up, or try and conjure up what kind of offences or omissions, or delicts, one deals with, in many of these applications and it is my respectful submission and just as examples, it's possible that Mr Siyali can be tried for the offence of negligently firing a firearm or shooting a firearm in a municipal area.  Mr Siyali was also in the vicinity as a policeman when Mr Jonas was in actual fact shot.  There are certain delictual, civil remedies that Mr Jonas might look at in that sense and where Mr Siyali can possibly be held responsible for.  In that sense, and I respectfully submit that the Act allows the Committee to grant Mr Siyali amnesty and I want to frame it as follows.  Amnesty for all acts, omissions or offences relating to the apprehension, shooting and arrest of Mr Bongani Jonas.  
	I further would like to submit it's not necessary for the Committee to specifically decide if Mr Siyali acted with the political motive of the struggle or with the political motive of the State as long as the Committee is satisfied that the acts, omissions, or offences committed in the presence and/or by Mr Siyali on a specific date, are associated with political objectives.
	I would submit that is enough to consider granting amnesty for Mr Siyali.  Just on that point and dealing with acts and omissions, the Act also provides in Section 20 any person who associated himself/herself with any act or omission committed."  The chasing of Mr Jonas, surely Mr Siyali associated himself with that.
	On one point of fact, it is my instructions that Mr Siyali at all times intended to testify and that it is his testimony that when he took out his firearm in the motor vehicle, he had the intention of shooting at Mr Jonas and it was only at a later stage that he changed his mind and fired a shot in the air.  I would again submit that it is very difficult for us today to try and establish if Mr Siyali might be guilty of any offence or not.  
	I am and I would like to submit, that it is quite certain that there were certain acts, omissions and offences committed that day and it is certain that Mr Siyali might be held responsible in a criminal fashion or civil fashion and for that he's applying to this Committee for amnesty.  As the Committee pleases.