ADV LOURENS
Mr Chairman, in that regard all I can submit is that my instructions were to deal with this matter on the basis that these two applicants wish to apply for amnesty.  If the Committee feels that there is not, no reason for them to apply for amnesty then that is a question for the Committee.  Their, I cannot, their evidence was what it was before this Committee yesterday.  I am asking the Committee to accept their version of the events that occurred there.