MR VISSER
Thank you Mr Chairman.  But perhaps in a collegial spirit Mr Chairman, the issue that concerns my learned friend, Mr Memani, about whether my clients could have been present on account of they may have been on another place, has only one application, in fact two.
	The one was Erasmus in the Venter case, who said I was on leave in February.  There is one more thing, and I may as well put it right now and get it behind us, because it is a very short statement, it is out of context where I am at the moment, but it is a short statement.
	You remember that you gave evidence that Mr Morakile was present and participated in the attack on - what was it now - I am sorry Mr Chairman, I don't find it in that page 146, could I just perhaps quickly take instructions and get this behind us Mr Chairman.