MR DREYER
: Well, let us consider the motive which you are providing for the lies because to me, it is about the truth and the untruth of your order.   I do not occupy myself with what happened at the road-block because that is the Committee's decision and, according to my client, your application is not being opposed, that is the Committee's issue;  but I am arguing that you did not receive such an order from my client, and that is the crux of my cross-examination.   Let us consider your motive and why you said that you lied at various phases.  You said that you wanted to protect the AWB and your leadership figures.