ADV DU PLESSIS
In the end it will be my argument that it is really not so essential in the whole case here - the question whether they were present or not, I just want to get an answer to this strange occurrence.  And I put it to you, it does seem to me that there could have been a possibility - and I ask you to consider this, if there wasn't perhaps a possibility even it it's 5%, that you could be wrong?