MR NDLOVU
After that, we went to the sports grounds.  That's where we stood, and it was at the time that we started asking ourselves questions as to what was happening.  And that's when I heard that they saw this group of people attacking them and they too claimed not to know what was happening.  And I at the same time saw Joseph Mkhize, who came with something on his hand, in his hand, and on looking at this carefully I noticed that it was a firearm.  I called him and I wanted to know from him as to, I actually pointed out to him that I was not aware he's armed, and I requested to have a look at his firearm, and he handed it over to me.  I handled it and it was quite heavy, it was the real thing.