CHAIRPERSON
I think we've heard the evidence.  I don't think we'll be able to shed more light on it at this stage.  It's clear all the witnesses complained that it's more than 20 years ago.  We appreciate that and it is common cause that her brother was at some time arrested by the police and held under Section 6.   According to the papers before us he was released and after that we don't know what happened to him.  There's no - nobody can say what happened to Oupa, neither Mr Visser nor the witness here, so I think that's as far as we can go with this.