CHAIRPERSON
Let's leave that point, we will discuss it.  What do you say about Mr Sithole's credibility?  How do we handle his failure to deal with certain conflicts?  How do we deal with the particular conflict that is germane to this application, the one hand he gives us what appears to be a well-founded political reason for committing this offence, whereas he says what is contained in his indemnity letter, is in fact the truth?  How do we deal with it?