MR ZILWA
Let me put that in perspective, Mr Chairman.  The evidence of the applicants is this, there were problems in Port St Johns, problems requiring attention, but problems which at the time were not such that they called for an action, a violent action on their part.  Now they say they were still investigating those and they were going to forward them to the higher echelons, they were going to forward their findings to the higher echelons of the organisation.  Now they say whilst that process was still afoot, unfortunately this event of the killing of Chris Hani occurred and now one should be very careful in this.  What they say is this "now when we decided that this was something that called for an action of the nature in which we were engaged in, we decided that well, we have to kill a white man, but it can't be just any white man, it should be a white man who has a destabilising effect on our liberation movement."  And they say, I'm not saying that was, that theirs was the ...[indistinct] reasonableness, they say because there were those problems and because we had to choose areas, in our retaliation we had to pinpoint whites who could be said to be against our liberation struggle, we didn't just want to hit any white, we decided that simply because there were these rumours that in fact the whites at Port St Johns and in particular the whites residing in this Mpande area were those whites who were responsible for this.  I'm not saying that theirs was a very well thought out action but it should be remembered, their actions should be viewed in the context of the fact that everybody was boiling with rage and people in their position, leaders of the organisation, they were very much effected by what was happening.  Now as they themselves have considered with the benefit of hindsight, with the wisdom of hindsight, then they realised and they readily admit that perhaps they could have done more to establish the genuiness of their target but ...[intervention]