EUGENE ALEXANDER DE KOCK
Yes, Chairperson.  After the shooting, when we fired at the minibus, Mr Ras and his group returned with Mr van Dyk and the others and they reported that they had indeed ambushed a vehicle there.  With the return of two black men they fired at them.  The one was already in the vehicle, if my information is correct, he was shot dead.  The other person escaped, and this later appeared to be Mr Charles Ndaba.  It was said to me that an attempt was made to set the vehicle alight.