KOKANE ISAAC DITSHEGO
Yes.  Brigadier Badenhorst at Sandton security police was my handler.  He was the one who electrocuted me, tortured me and all that.  But in as far as that group in Kwandabele is concerned, Brigadier Lerm was their controller so the rest of them as I say they were not normal police, that we knew, I wouldn't really identify them.