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Mr Chair to be honest there are so many reports about me in the newspapers that I can't keep track.  That is a new one to me.  But I, from what you have stated there I can detect the origin of that, it is most probably an allegation by Colonel Hugo, and there is no truth in it.  I was asked by General Ulshig, and he can come and testify to that effect to remain because there was in fact no intelligence service left in the Ciskei.  They had to go and look for new people.  What was left in the Ciskei after the so-called aborted Jamingele Coup was corporals and I think one lieutenant.  No there wasn't even a lieutenant, it was only non-commissioned officers.  So that was what was left in the Ciskei Defence force, or Intelligence force.  So I remained because there was a job for me.  The fact of the
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matter Mr Chair is that the South African Defence Force treated me very badly, when they asked me to leave their services and I ended up jobless and I had a thing in me not to work for them again.  Today I work for the South African National Defence Force, it's a different thing, and people do not understand how CCB members felt when they were told you are useless idiots, you have served us and now you are no longer good, go, here's your package, don't say anything, don't speak to the press, sign this paper, go.  People don't understand how the people feel.  That is why people can go and work for the MPLA government today fighting against Unita who used to be former allies of the South African Defence Force, because they feel nothing for the former South African Defence Force.  So anybody accusing me of working for the South African Defence Force, after they treated me the way they did, must come with me and we will have to sit down and I will have to explain to him a few things.