MPHITHIZELI NELSON NGO
No, what I know is that I was visiting them as he was my contact.  I was just visiting, I was not staying there.  He used to lend me money and I used to do the same if he had problems as somebody that I trusted.  And there's nothing more than that, other than trust.  And we had a good relationship. And Mrs Sarkardi, I used to see her when she was visiting during holidays but it would be at two days or three.  The truth is that I did help him whilst I was visiting before I went home should he have a lot of work to do on his premises, Mr Venter.