MR BLACK
Yes, Mr Chairman. I don't propose to belabour this point any further, but I think in fairness to Capt Molapo I should put that to this witness.  In argument I will slightly disagree with Mr Visser in saying that there was no purpose or objective or sinister purpose or other objective to make such a statement or put such a statement to Mr Molapo, sorry, to Mr Sehlwana.  Clearly, I will submit in due course and elaborate, if necessary, that a seed of doubt, a seed was trying to be planted that Mr Sehlwana is going to either receive favourable treatment or some reason or other by meeting with the most senior members of the ANC.