ONTLAMETSE BERNSTEIN MENYATSOE
I have already explained that when I arrived there I did not notice as to whether they were armed or not.  I wouldn't believe that they did not have guns or they had guns because the person who was there at the time, during that incident is myself.  At that time, Mr Terreblanche, you were not personally in the scene.  I do not understand that you are telling me that those people were not armed.  I don't know what's the purpose because you were not there at that particular time, at the scene.