PIETER JOHANN VERSTER
Chairperson, over a period of 11 or 12 years we have a dispute with regard to specifically that point.  In my opinion, other evidence could be led.  You may ask them yourself where I said that it has to be discussed, or it was discussed with the Chairperson.  I had a structure within which I never did anything without discussing it with the Chairperson and if I say that over a period of 11 years, I had led evidence several times where I said that I authorised it, meaning that I signed it, meaning that I may have made a telephone call, maybe I handled it on my level and on that basis I functioned over all the years and it is generally known.  Everyone who applies for amnesty there and even in some of the other instances.