SOLLIE ZACHERIAS SHOKE
I think if you could read in fact my Annexure to this application you will understand it quite well.  There incidences where I've been directly involved and where I've been indirectly involved and this is one of the incidences where I've been indirectly involved.  So there's no way that I can leave the scene in an incident where I've not been directly involved and I told this Commission that I was in Swaziland so I don't understand the nature of your question, maybe you've not read the submission.