MR MALAN
We have to get an impression of what you are saying to us and we have to find out what happened and if it fits in an amnesty application that you bring to us.  If I listen to you now and if I summarise it correctly, you are trying to say to us and that what you are thinking is that Fouche wanted to get rid of these three men and he wanted to frame you for it.  Is that what you are saying to us?