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Myself, Captain Hechter, Sergeant Van der Westhuizen and Slang, his name 
was Danny (indistinct) questioned him.  We used a gas mask, assaulted him and executed electrical shocks 
on him to gain information.
	He was a great ANC activist, he had thrown several petrol bombs in Mamelodi and he was 
involved in arson and
the petrol attacks on policemen's houses.
	The South African Defence Force could not trace him and at the request of Captain Van Jaarsveld 
to trace him, at that stage Captain Jaap van Jaarsveld was our temporary Commanding Officer because if I 
remember correctly, Flip Loots was on a special investigation.	Myself and Sergeant van der Westhuizen 
went to look for him on the instruction of Captain Hechter.  We traced him within three days.  The way in 
which we traced him was out of informant reports, we started monitoring his movements very closely and 
within three days we traced him.  That just showed how effective 
PRETORIA HEARING	AMNESTY/