JOHANNES JACOBUS VIKTOR
Sir, I don't think I can explain any further.  They were at the meetings with the CDF where the whole thing was planned, and as I have also explained once permission was given for the people to go into the stadium we thought no more problems.  Because I think if I remember correctly at the previous occasion once the people went into the stadium there was no further problems.  But with all due respect Sir for your knowledge, that is how it works, you as a man right there on top don't go and take charge of a situation every time.  You have your subordinates and psychologically it's very bad if you had to go and take charge every time, that that man must understand then that he can't do the job.  I can assure you I am not running away from my responsibilities.  As an officer I take what's
EAST LONDON HEARING TRC/EASTERN CAPE
28 J J VIKTOR
coming to me.  But that is what happened.  Two senior and experienced people, they were in right from the start with the whole coordination and then I don't interfere.  I don't go into the detail but overall I knew what was planned and as I have said because of what happened the previous occasion and because we were only a few policemen there, I thought I don't want my men to think the Commissioner is sitting up in his office, I was there with my men.