MR VISSER
Yes Chairperson, as it pleases you, but if I had torture myself I just, lest I forget, have to tell you I can either do it this afternoon or tomorrow, I'll do it tomorrow with your leave, to tell you that we've made certain attempts to obtain information in regard to Mr Ngono, and these attempts are still ongoing and they're attempts in Lesotho.  What we're trying to locate is the docket or the inquest file relating to Radebe and/or to this situation.  We have not been successful.  I will tell you tomorrow what the endeavours are that we made.