MR NGCOBO
Yes.  I said so.  I did say in my evidence-in-chief that I once went to stay in Dlamini's and Luthuli's wards.  My party looked like a banned party at that time because they were afraid.  I then decided to start building the party.  When I went to Luthuli ward, I asked for assistance.  Luthuli's wife told me that they could help me in attacking people.  She said if I wanted to stay in their ward, I was free to do so, but when I go home, I should try to persuade people to rejoin the party.  When I went there, I persuaded people and fought those who fought me. That is why I was preaching peace on one hand and fighting on the another.  I wanted my party to grow, but did not want people to know the bad things I was doing.