MR REDPATH
As the Committee pleases.  Mr Chairperson, as I have indicated on behalf of my clients, there will be no statement or evidence at this stage.
 We however, do not wish to create the perception that we do not want to be of assistance to this Commission.  We most dearly do wish to be of assistance.
 We have had insufficient time and information initially placed at our disposal to investigate the incident, the alleged incident.
 There was additional information made available to us only this morning through yourself Mr Chairman and a great deal of further investigation in regard to the Stutterheim affairs or battles as you've termed them, need to be done.
 In respect of the evidence of Busika, I would wish to draw a distinction.  Obviously what this witness alleges happened to her whilst she was busy serving her prison sentence, I do not understand that evidence to implicate my clients, the police, in any way.
 I hold no brief for anyone other than the police, so our investigations will be limited only to that aspect of her evidence which implicates them.
 If my understanding in this regard is incorrect, then we would appreciate being advised of that fact timeously if at all possible.
 Further in regard to Busika and Maqubela, it is Maqubela who spoke of a trial within a trial.  I am instructed that these versions which these two witnesses placed before the Committee this morning, are most probably and I must stress this, most probably, the same versions that were placed on their behalf before the trial court, in the trial within a trial.
 I cannot verify that at this stage, that is one of the aspects why we need time to investigate and see whether it is the same incident.  Mr Chairperson, if indeed it is the same incident, then with respect I would refer the Committee to the trial record in that case.
 It would have been the Supreme court of the Eastern Cape Provincial Division sitting on circuit in East London.  Mr Chairperson, in regard to this specific incident, I have nothing further to add to the record at this stage.