MR BLACK
Yes.  In this particular instance Mr Harmse was given to understand that the government and members of the ANC alliance together with big business, if one wants to call it that, were the enemy.  What I am trying to say is I find it difficult to understand why the Muslim community civilians were targeted without there being any evidence or any evidence whatsoever that, first of all no government institution was involved, no attempt was made to find government institutions and secondly there is no evidence that the Muslim community as such in Bronkhorstspruit are all predominantly ANC supporters.
	And I do not think that a shopping complex of that nature would, or there is no evidence rather, that it belonged to any big business organisation.
	And my submission is that this act should, which was committed, is out of proportion therefor to the political objectives sought by the applicants.
	And clearly ...