FERDINAND BARNARD
Yes, Honourable Chairperson.  What happened was, while Mr Aitchison was detained, Mr Calla Botha came to me, we had regular contact with each other, we knew we were both in contact with him, and there were problems.  He  told me that the people in his region or cell, are very worried or concerned about the meeting that took place in the Royal Ascot Hotel and that he was tasked to steal the registry.  I told him that I would assist him.
	We then left.  It was not very easy, although if you want to do it the hard line way, you could go in with a weapon, but the foyer of the hotel was very busy, there were various staff members, it is quite a high counter and behind the counter, there is a very thick book.  It was covered in leather, it was the only book there, and in my work as a Detective, I visited a lot of hotels, as a Narcotics Detective.  I knew documentation like this, and I knew it looked like the register.  That was the  only thing that was laying there, and I had to move very quickly, because Mr Botha started complaining and tried to draw attention away from me.  
	While they were busy there, I grabbed the book and I walked out.  I met him outside.  We were quite satisfied with ourselves.  Once we were about two kilometres from there, I realised it was the table book, where they made reservations for tables for the restaurant.  We wanted to return and I realised there was only one way in which we could do it.  We had to burglar the hotel.  If things did not look right, we would have to do it as a stick up, and we have to take the cash as well.
	When we parked in front of the hotel, Mr Alex Kouvaris got out of a vehicle, it was a BMW, he was with a blond woman.  I knew he was a high profile person who owned a lot of night-clubs in Johannesburg, and I also knew that he had certain connections with Mr Burger.  I did not know what the connections were, however.  When I saw this, Calla told me that he is quite sure that Mr Burger targeted Mr Kouvaris to do the same thing, and we then withdrew.
	Then at a later stage he told me that he was told not to attempt this again.