ANDRIES MOZIKEFANI GAMEDE
Okay.  But before maybe if I can go back a slight, before we actually knew that Khezwa was involved, some of the members of the community wanted to shoot him in a broad daylight.  Then we went to the police station to report, because he was seen in a police car with Mkhwanazi, which then Mkhwanazi denied.  He said no, he was never involved with Khezwa.  Then there were police from Middelburg because we took it politically.  Then there was a parade which was done and that was not successful until he then confers that he was involved with this incident.  Then we then had another meeting with our, the now Premier of Mpumalanga, Mr Poswa where there was a random shooting, where about four people were killed in the street.  We were coming from a meeting from Middelburg to discuss these killings that were going on in Piet Retief.  Just four days after that four people were killed.  Then this Platos Khezwa then confers that he was the one actually who was given instruction by Mr Msibi, the Mayor, to actually shoot and I must say that this evidence was led in court, but I must be honest with you, there was no court case.  We don't know what happened as I'm sitting here.