LAURENS MBATHA
Sir, the first day actually when I came in - when the application for Section 29 was brought over to me that I had to sign, the reasons actually there were basically the head of the DLB's that were in my possession - they wanted to know where those arms are.  I stood up very clearly Sir and told them, the issues of DLB's is not a secret at this stage but it is a question of when they become exposed to you, then you can act on them.  They said to me I should know one thing for sure about the incident, they have a video cassette.
	It was at that stage Sir, when I told them:  "I am not prepared to enter into any redundancy with you as from now on, you prosecute me, you proceed with the case and you are not going to keep me just sitting inside here because you have the video cassette".  It was at that stage where I actually even entered into hunger strike because I told them: "You have the cassette so don't waste my time".