MR DORFLING
I understand the position fully, Mr Chairman, right at the outset at the time we had meetings concerning, or prior to the commencement of these proceedings we made our position quite clear, we on record by indicating that we would like the independent witnesses to give evidence.  At that point in time it was indicated to us that the Committee would revert back as to whether the Committee would themselves call these witnesses or not.  It was then indicated that we must make the necessary arrangements ourselves to get these witnesses available, that was indicated to us ...(intervention)