DR BORAINE
Thank you, Chairperson.  Before I call the first witness, may I say, on behalf of the Commission, how pleased we are to have Mrs Di Oliver, known to many of us
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15A/2 also as Di Bishop, formerly of the Western Cape, now of KwaZulu/Natal, who knows a great deal about the kind of work that we are trying to do.  I am delighted that she is here.  Mr Chairperson, the first witness that we call is Thuli Gabela, and I would ask her please to come forward.  We are waiting for the earphones to be put in place before we start, so that the witness can hear my voice in English and also the translation into her own language.  I'd like to test that out now.  Mrs Gabela, can you hear me on the earphones?