CORNELIUS JOHANNES LOTTERING
Yes I definitely listened to such tapes under Section 29 when we discussed the matter.  Why they didn't use the tape I don't know, I only said later on for myself that there was an informer in our group, the third person who I mentioned, that came along with me and Goosen, he was a security police informer and they didn't want to expose him and that is the same person who committed the robbery with us at the bottle store.