BERTWELL BHEKI NDLOVU
Yes.  There Mr Mfayela was working with the Kwa-Zulu Police offices.  He would come and speak to Martin Kanyele who was one of the Caprivians whom we were working there, and constable Mtaba, his nickname was Makobute.  He's one of the people, one of the Caprivians.  Those are the people who were giving instructions, and Mfayela whom that we were directly working with.