ABRAM VAN ZYL
I will put it to you in the following way.  The statement that you are making, I cannot reject, but I just want to say to you again that I was satisfied that at that stage, the only people who according to my information, would have been at that hall on that specific evening, were children who attended a karate club function, previously in the evening and then the managing members of the Kewtown Youth Movement.
	After they had left the hall and they had driven off, I was satisfied in my conscience that there were no people in the hall.  But the statement that you are making, I cannot deny.