MR TLOUBATLA
Well Madam Bosman it's true that some of them are inferences, but we are basically working on inferences.  I mean it is my basic understanding that the witness will either deny any knowledge of that but some of these things are basically based on rumours, on inferences and all that and it is my understanding that the killing of Mr Lingani it was a direct sequel after the incident in which they were involved.