MR AVENANT
Thank you, Chair.  Chairperson, just before we had lunch it was concerning the acts not included.  Now at this stage we're not going to pursue it further, we're going to leave it there and then probably we will be informed whenever there will be a formal hearing for that, which I doubt.
	If I can then continue, General.  Page 176 10(a).  The question is asked, what was the political aim that you wanted to achieve.  What was the aim here with regard to the politics?  Now this refers to the planning of the whole Operation Katzen and General van der Westhuizen gave an exposition.