ADV VISSER
Then on the 24th of June these people did not turn up and on the 25th of June they didn't pitch up again.  Now let me take you to the 8th of July.  Between the 25th of June and the 8th of July you were informed, I am told, because that's what you reported, that the people were going to come in on the 8th of July, do you remember the date at all?   If you don't just say so.