FATHER LAPSLEY
Well, you see my view has always been that it would be - have been much more desirable for there to be trials and then amnesty.  I mean I was present when the Bishop of the church in the new South African spoke about the St James Massacre and I was fascinated when he said about how his son went to the prison to say on behalf of the congregation we forgive you.  He was very quick to say - but I didn't say that he should be released.  And that - that fascinated me because in fact that was a concept of forgiveness linked to justice.
 But my few has been and I have been from the beginning in support of the Truth Commission.  I believe that we are sacrificing a degree of justice which I think extremely painful to the nation for the sake of the greater good and the greater good as a saw it was if we hadn't had amnesty we  were going to have civil war that was going to consume us all.  
And that is the contexts in which I think I support my leaders in the insistence of amnesty but it remains very painful but the Arch Bishop had been a good teacher and I believe in very old fashion concepts of forgiveness.  And it seems to me that in the Christian contexts we'll give this as a package deal and we often in South Africa make it something  [indistinct] cheep and easy.
 It seems to me the Christian understanding of forgiveness - it's about confession, it's about amendment of life, it's about remorse, it's about reparation.  It's a whole - whole package, now yes I would may get amnesty but that doesn't deal with the package, that's legal thing and we know that.  And I think one of the first things that the Arch Bishop said in the beginning of this Commission was that end of Tape 2, side A ... direct my life in such a way.  I'd say with God's help that I'm not consumed by that.  
You know, I realised equally soon after I was bombed that if I spend my life pursuing those who did it to me, they would eat me up.   Again that would consume me and I don't want to consumed, but that there is unfinished business.  That is true of me so I think it is helpful for it to be linked.  But if I can  just make one other point that I had forgotten to make that I wanted to make and that really relates to reparation.  
You know  because I'm a member of a religious order and a priest of the church in 20, 30, 40 years time if I have problems of a medical or physiological or a psychiatric character, there's a fair chance I would get help but I'm not sure that that may be true of some of my fellow South Africans.  
 And I'm very concerned and the recommendations that are made that it takes account of very long term needs.  I can expect - I've had a whole serious of operations and in some ways although with major disability I'm in very good health.  But I can imagine that in 20, 30 years time some of the effects of the bomb will actually come to and head a knew ways and I would be very concerned it people who don't have anything to say - cause you say to the people now do you want anything and they say no well we need this or that.  
But in 20, 30, 40 years time there's got be a quietly, that we as a society need to take care.  Just as there are people who're having a quite psychiatric problems around the world because of the second world war now, who have never had them before and I think we need to learn that and I hope the reparations recommendations will  - will institute those kind and structures for those who say no we're fine but we may not be fine further down the track.
 And I'm more concerned about those who will not have the kind of access - perhaps as a professional person  or as a priest or religious that I may have.