ANDRIES STEPHANUS KRIEL
Chairperson, Commissioner I have been racking my brains to try and give you an answer on the person of Victor.  I cannot remember whether I appointed him or whether he was appointed by my predecessor but I can ascertain that and send through the information to you because I want, if you need that information, then I believe you should have it.  So I will from my side try and find out precisely what happened.
 All I can say is two things.  The first one is, to be, or at that stage to have been seconded to the Ciskei to be head of their police service or their Weermach, those weren't jobs that people were really looking for, if you understand what I mean, you had to use tough measures to send somebody here to give the necessary leadership because nobody wanted to come to the Ciskei at that stage.  
 You also referred to other officials that were seconded by the South African Government, yes that is correct, especially in the field of finance, because our conclusion that we came to through reports that we received, was that the expertise was really very much needed to prevent the total collapse of government at that stage, and therefore we had offered help at the request at the time till the 
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negotiating process which was on its way at that stage, but we still had that duty to try and prevent a total collapse of financial arrangements in the Ciskei.