AMBROSE ARMSTRONG ROSS
Defending can be done in different ways.   It does not necessarily mean that when you defend yourself, you should wait for somebody to attack you, it doesn't always have to be a counter-attack.   You could counter the attack, not sit and wait.   In that meeting we agreed that should we attack the Nancefield Hostel, because it was highly volatile at that time, then they would defend themselves rather than going out and attacking, rather than going to attack the trains, they will sit back and try and defend themselves.   We were trying to change their focus from attacking, but rather to defending themselves.   That is another strategy that we were looking at.