MR LAX
I agree, let us press on.  I was just trying to understand where your client was coming from, and the broader context within which these things happened.  I can see we are going to have to agree to disagree for the moment.  These things will become clearer as we go on anyway.  You know we've sat through three weeks of hearings, so we have a much broader picture of other APLA commanders' outlooks and of their perceptions as well, not just your, this particular client.  But let's move on, I agree.