TREVOR PHUMAYO
Well, there is a lot I can say there, but maybe just to recap what has already been said, because I think a lot has been said and done.
	You know from what has happened on that day and the allegations and all that, and taking into consideration again, what happened in the criminal case at Secunda, because we also attended that, and after you know, looking at the statements of the applicants and all that, we find that there are a lot of mysteries which keep on coming in in this issue.  We thought if we come here, we will come even nearer to finding the real truth, you see.
	We hoped that the applicant will be in a position whereby he will be able to disclose everything and in a truthful manner, but it seems as if we are moving even far away from where the truth is. 
	To answer your question directly then, firstly I will say in the issue of a motive, a political motive, I think it stands to reason that even the Judge in the criminal court said that he could not see the motive for Mr Mtambo to kill Mr Phumayo, so I think even here, I could not see anything creeping out from the evidence, which he has adduced, that can bring us nearer to any truth or fact, what was his motive really because there are a lot of reasons you see, and we cannot even verify which one is valid and whatsoever.
	To come away even on that, on the issue again of full disclosure, I think he also has left a lot of things undesired, because if you look at the issue of people who he could maybe have implicated there, you talk about Mr Mtunzi, you know, he could have maybe been implicated in the event and whatsoever.
	I think maybe in a nutshell, I can say he is trying to protect other elements maybe.  That is an opinion indeed, but there is no full disclosure, in a nutshell, I can say so.  Therefore you know, is stands to reason that as the victims and the family, we have discussed this issue, and we said that it can be very much difficult that there can be an amnesty granted to the applicant on that issue.