MS VAN DER WALT
Sir, he has already said yesterday that he has no knowledge of these people, that he has no knowledge of what they did and that he had heard all of this from the TRC.  That is what he said and I am putting it to him that he is prepared to place anything in his statements, even though he doesn't have any personal knowledge thereof, because I think that it is taking it rather far to implicate two people of whom he has only heard via the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.
	That is what I am trying to put.