CHAIRPERSON
Yes, but I'm asking you a question, are you absolutely certain?  Because I want to refer you to page 42 of these papers before us, a statement of one Atie Sokadi.  He says in paragraph 6, in June he was arrested and brought here, that is in Johannesburg.  He was brought back or taken to Ladybrand, where he was interrogated and he also mentions you, Thulo.  If you look at paragraph 6, the third sentence from the end of the paragraph he mentions you.  I don't know if Mr Visser could be kind enough to just show you what I'm talking about.  And I think it's more clearer if you go to page 43, at the top there, he says
"During the same year, 1986, myself, Mike, Jantjie, Koki, Thulo, Jackie Tsolo, Celo, Colin Robertshaw, Capt Fouche and Lieut du Plessis, left for Lesotho.  We kidnapped the ANC Chief Representative, Mr Mageta.  We handed him over to Tsolo and Celo, who later crossed with him.  Myself, Koki, Thulo and Mike Jantjie went to Ditabaneng to collect a certain Lesotho soldier working for the South Africans."
So what I'm just asking you here is that, are you certain that you joined in 1987, this unit, or you worked with this unit during 1986?   Or you've forgotten the years?