TESTIMONY_GIVER:
  I am just thinking of the - excuse me, Mr Chairman - the young Constable Johan, but I don't think he was du Plessis.  Not at all.  Paragraph 22.  (Pause)  No, the only thing I can testify to here in all honesty is that he was blindfolded and his hands and feet were shackled, chained together.  That's correct,