PIETER JAKOBUS GOUWS
I can refer back to when I was a young person, I grew up as a poor White as they called us because the Afrikaners from my age used to be, or most of them were very, very poor people and in those days it was one of the biggest honours to become a policeman, it was really something to become a policeman because that was one of the ways in which you could get somewhere in life.  And I would guess in later years probably up to a couple of years ago, many, many Afrikaner people, Afrikaans speaking but let us say, Afrikaner people, farming people would have entered the police force, yes I think amongst many, many families, farming families you will find members of the police force.  I had an uncle myself, Commissioner of the police, General Gouws some time ago, quite 30 years or something like that, 20 years ago, so yes within the farming community it was a recruiting ground for police force and for the armed forces.