HENDRIK LEEUW
Yes, I can say something in that regard.  What De la Rey have, he hasn't found them from  us, he made his own evidence so that he can strengthen his statement.  Others he got them from the car, others from myself, because I had a believe that De la Rey, if he got from us, we could have taken photo's because they had a camera with them, I have a believe that the Truth Commission could have had those photo's that he has found all those things from us.  He found others from my house and others from Mishak May and others from Magoda, that's how we planned the distribution of those items, that is how I can explain.