EUGENE DE KOCK
Before the second coup, I liaised regularly with Commandant Nieuwoudt and just before he started in the Ciskei, he rendered services for Gen Gozo, he established a company with the name of Research International and at some stage, he attempted to recruit Willie Nortjie to leave the Force and come and work with him.  Afterwards, when Nortje did not do this and I think he afterwards made the same request to me, and  I do have the documents which were signed at that point, but Anton Nieuwoudt was very committed in this attempt, to overthrow Gen Holomisa, or to neutralise him in the Transkei.