ELIZABETH DE LANGE
I knew Joseph much longer than all of them, I met Joseph in 1983, so why would I say he had a card if he didn't have a card.  He had to survive in Sebokeng in all those times and it would not have happened if they were not members of the ANC, otherwise Inkatha or another one could have killed or otherwise I would not have been allowed there, I did not say they were involved but they were members of the ANC, they were members of the ANC.  I'm only talking about Joseph now.