NICLO PEDRO
Yes, I did hear about it.  He threatened to use what I can the bag, to use it on me.  There was the one occasion at Culemborg and the other occasion was when we were in Loop Street when Mostert was also present.  It was also when they wanted certain information from me, it was already quite late in the interrogation process and they didn't use the bag on me but they placed the bag on my head and I think it was Mostert who said that they should take the bag off.