DR RANDERA
Chairperson, whilst we're waiting for the next person to come forward, I would indulge your time just to make one comment.  Often the Commission is accused of being very one-sided in terms of the stories that come to these hearings.  I want to use this particular story as an example because at the end of the day, what you hear at the hearings is the people who have come forward, who have volunteered to come and, and been brave enough to come and tell us what is happening.  At the same time this young police officer, Scheepers was also a victim of the gross human rights violations that took place in the political conflicts.  Remember, we are asked to look at the political conflict that took place.  We're not only looking at one side of the equation and yet for some reason people don't come forward to talk about these stories.  I know to-day that there are many police officers, for example, who are present here to-day.  That there are, there's a local press that  ispresent here to-day, that I hope that this story that I'm about, that I'm trying to put forward, is taken back into the respective communities, into the respective constituencies.  We can only complete the picture if people come forward and tell us their stories and I would appeal, and we, and in the Nationalist Party's submission, for example, they list the names of six hundred police officers who were killed in the 80's and early 90's through the conflicts, but those police - the families of those police officers have not come forward and they have as much right to come forward as any other person who's making a statement here to-day.  If those families don't want to come forward, perhaps some of those officers can actually help us with the dockets that are available, relating to these stories.  That is the only way we're going to be able to paint as complete a picture as possible in terms of the Mandate that's given to us.  Thank you Chairperson.