PROF DE KOKER
Regarding the sign, if I may draw the attention of the Committee to page 40 of the thicker bundle of documentation, about two-thirds down the page.  This, again, is the evidence by Mr Smiles delivered under oath to the Human Rights Violations Committee.
"But you see ...",
that is just about 60% in the page,
"But you see I have no experience of this type of thing and when we went up it was all right and when we got there the petitions were handed over, the first petition, the second petition and the third petition.
		When it was time to hand over the third petition then there was a sign that I must throw this grenade and he laid down at the same time so when I threw it I was weak.  I had had no experience of this type of thing."
I will end it there.  According to this statement, Major Mbatha, there was a sign and the person who then gave the sign laid down at the same time, fell down on the ground.  Who could this person have been?