PUMELELE GUMENGU
Yes, that is correct.
"In 1987, after so many reports or bits of information that was received about Sthembele, Sthembele is the one who was campaigning in the firms or factories for the unions, mobilising them to take part in the strikes and he was also giving people in Nxaleni, Lebode, military training and the people that he would take and help them cross the borders to Lesotho, and he also had some weapons that he would go and fetch them and use them inside the country.  What was the most important is that he was planning to attack the Security Police in Butterworth.
	Capt Mfazwe then in all these reports before taking place, he called me one weekend, I was at my home in Butterworth after coming from Johannesburg, he told me that there were people who were in the office in Butterworth.  There was this person in Butterworth in the office who was looking for him, that he couldn't help that particular person, therefore he asked me to go there and help out this person because this person was saying that Sthembele was in Bika and he was in the company of one gentleman that was found to be having the arms and that person, it's alleged that he had required training across the borders.  Therefore I had to try and bring Sthembele forward and after that I would arrest him and if the situation does not allow that one of us should die.  I did go to the office from my home, I saw this man that was unknown to me and I was told not to ask questions and this gentlemen had to take me to direct me to the place.
	Just before reaching our destination, Bika, just turning at the last junction from Bika where you are about to get into the township, we saw his car getting out, he was in the company of this person and then this gentleman told me that these are the people that I was talking about."