EUGENE DE KOCK
No Chairperson, I did not count it.  I was surprised.  I told him that I did not want it and he told me that you must take it.  He had seen to himself and the other members.  I took the money and I loaded it into my vehicle, where it lay there for about two or three weeks.  Afterwards I discovered, during those two or three weeks, that it was an amount of about R130 000 to R140 000.  Initially I did not know what to do with the money.  It sounds strange, but that is true.  I later bought a plot in Pretoria, which I gave to Warrant Officer Nortje when he told me that he and his wife wanted to buy a house or wanted to build a house and I gave this plot to him.  I think it was worth, it cost about R96 000 or R97 000 and the rest of the money, I bought a second plot with a house built on it, which I gave to Captain Kobus Klopper.  Initially I would have stayed there myself, but Klopper approached me and asked me if I could assist him as I did with Warrant Officer Nortje which seemed like blackmail to me, but it was not important to me and I gave this plot to him.  I must mention here that there was no benefit to me from any of these actions.