MR WILLS
Thank you.  Now I want to spend a little bit of time on paragraph 18, I just want you to refer to that in your affidavit, page 9 of the record.  Basically here's a list of people who you regard and you say here "this I know from personal experience" and from what you were told by Mkhize and from discussions with the IFP leadership that these people had been members of the hit squad set up.  By this are you referring to Mr Mkhize's hit squad or what are you referring to?