MR MBANDAZAYO
Okay.  Let's proceed and go to the statement.  As I'm reading the statement then I'll always point to the other statement which you made before the Magistrate.  Mr Chairman you will bear with me, it's difficult to - I'll make mistake as I'm reading the handwriting, don't get it.  "I would like to make the following statement:  Two weeks before the end of June in 1993 myself, Thebo, Sipho and Roger met at Swartman Shimee's house in Monyakeng in Wesselsbron.  Thebo asked me ...",.  Okay, let me before we proceed, for the benefit of the Committee, is it Thebo, who is this Thebo?