MR LAX
What your lawyer is trying to suggest to you is we don't waste time with the build-up as to how you got to Barberton but that you start with Barberton so we can move a little bit quickly.
MR GWAMANDA
"Yes, I'm headed there.  I was transferred to Point in 1985 in March and I was then transferred to Barberton Maximum.  There are different prisons in Barberton, yet in one premises.  I was taken from Maximum to Medium B according to my classification.  I left Medium B and I was taken to Open Kem(?)  I was transferred from Open Kem to town.  That was in 1990.  That is where I submitted my amnesty application.
	As I was in town prison I met Elijah Mhlaba.  That is where Elijah Mhlaba became my friend and we could converse as friends.  At that time in town prison, that's when Elijah Mhlaba told me that he was a member of Inanda(?) under Enoch Mabuza in Low Veld.  That's where Elijah Mhlaba told me that he works hand-in-hand with AWB".