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Mr Chairman, I had some suspicions but Eugene de Kock had certain persons whom he 
trusted and what they might have done, we other normal police officers who were the foot soldiers there, 
would not have necessarily known.  I had suspected that there were irregularities but during the last year 
and a half while serving under Eugene de Kock, we seldom spoke to each other, we greeted each other 
when necessary and that was the extent of our relationship.
	General Engelbrecht also transferred me to another branch of the Unit, since I couldn't get along 
with De Kock.