CHAIRPERSON
What would you say, and I'm just raising it, we know from the evidence that the IFP supporters in that community were preparing for trouble.  They had sent around collection, they had in fact acquired communal firearms.  We hear from Mr Mpongosi that you know, the first thing he did was he ran and got his own firearm, as did Zwane and others.  Then they had the communal ones, and these were given out.  Does that, it's also, does that give an indication that they, or a confirmation of the fact that they may have been the aggressors?  They were preparing for this sort of thing and they were more or less ready.