MR VAN RENSBURG
Yes.  Mr Chairman, on at least two occasions he did mention a group of policemen who were involved in torturing him.  The second one I can remember was when the policemen were named, the policemen who jumped on him were named, one by one.  This was supposed to happen immediately after these vigorous exercises and, at that stage the name of Mr Netshivale was also omitted.  And I just find it peculiar that on both instances, when he mentioned specific groups of policemen who did certain things, the name of the fifth applicant was omitted.