BERNARD MAKGABO NGOEPE
To start off with they did not know that there were seven people in the house.  I mean, the fact there could have been 20 people and all that kind of thing and the fact that they are convicted on six, five counts of attempted murder really is neither here nor there as far as we are concerned.  After all they did not know there were so many people in the house and the like.  So it can be out of proportion.  Most probably even if they killed him given the nature of the conflict, that might not have been out of proportion.  I do not know whether it will help you if one were to point out certain things which perhaps are a little bit troublesome particularly with regard to Mr Joe Nkuna's application.  The rest of the things, maybe, you can fill them up after revisiting the record in the line, but we are particularly keen to hear you on one or two points which are a little bit troublesome.  You may deal with them again in your written arguments.
	You see the point was raised that possibly the attack could have been as a result of certain allegations made by Shabangu or discovered by Mr Shabangu with regard to misappropriation of funds.