MR VISSER
Thank you Mr Chairman.  Mr Chairman, would you allow me before commencing, to ask whether it is possible for some clarification in regard Mr Motsamai's application as it appears at page 148 of bundle A in paragraph 13, where he refers to the fact that he says he was also involved in the assault and torture of detained and/or arrested political - I suppose it must be - activists.  And then he refers to the 5th floor, Fountain Street, Bloemfontein.
	Mr Chairman, you will recall that Mr Ngo applied for two incidents - similar incidents.  The one referred to took place in Bloemfontein and the other one took place in Botshabelo.  If I may say Mr Chairman, our understanding from what we have heard from Mr Stander, appears to be that the people that he represents are the people who were arrested by the South African defence force while they attempted to cross the border of Lesotho and that would appear to us or seem to us to coincide with a group that Mr Ngo refers to as the group that was assaulted and tortured at Bloemfontein.  
	My question is this Mr Chairman, can Mr Memani tell this Committee whether his paragraph 13 also coincides with that group that Mr Ngo referred to and that my learned friend Mr Stander referred to, because you see Mr Chairman that clarification will be of great assistance to us in our consultations tonight.