MR MBANDAZAYO IN REPLY
Chairperson, I wouldn't like to respond to some of these things but it's just on the question of the caddy issue.  I think that Mr Xundu told the Committee, and also that it was also conceded, that if there is any complaint about the money you are paid there was a committee.  Of course it was clear that Mr Xundu would not be, he was not interested in being a caddy so he wouldn't complain, whatever amount was paid to him because he was there for a specific purpose.  Nobody disputes that there was a certain amount.  Also it was not disputed that sometimes people were paid low amounts but there was a body of the caddies to complain to so that that can be rectified.  In his case definitely there was nothing of that effect because he was not interested in that.  So it cannot be said that definitely it's disputed that he was paid that amount, because he also himself didn't care about the amount he was paid.
	Now coming to the question of the report itself.  I think, Chairperson, he made it clear that he believed that it was doctored.  I concede that he floundered because he was amazed in fact to see that this report does not contain what he had written too, it contained totally different incidents and it happened now to be only in one report.  And unfortunately nobody has an original report to be able to confirm that exactly that's what was written.  It's only a copy of the report, nobody has the original to confirm that exactly it was the way it was.  So there is no evidence contrary to that, that this report was not doctored because there is not original of this report.
	Coming to the question of proportionality, Chairperson.  Chairperson, I submit that there's that clause in the Act, but it's always my submission of course subject to whatever criticism that, proportionality should be applied on the people who are making the decisions because the foot-soldiers have to carry the instructions at the end of the day, they don't make the decisions, theirs is to carry the instructions.
Now if now they are the people who are going to suffer because sometimes the leaders don't come forward and take responsibility and that the proportionality would apply to them when they have to carry the instructions, Chairperson I submit that it would also defeat the purpose of the very existence of the Committee.  Thank you, Chairperson.