MUTHEIWANA GABRIEL RAMUSHWANA
Yes, look, I indicated that when I slapped the Reverend Poswana I felt sorry the same day when they took him away, but looking at the overall picture I think I feel more guilty than the interrogators themselves, there is no use you know trying to blame, push or shift blame to someone else.  I personally had a moral obligation to see to either the suspects or the victims should be properly handled by the interrogators.
	My failure I think has also contributed a lot to the conditions in which these people found themselves during the interrogation and I am deeply sorry that I allowed these thing to carry on like that, and I also physically assaulted one of these victims.  
	You know looking at what happened to me after that I think people would be able to realise how deeply sorry I was.  
	Mr Chair, I was the Deputy Commander of the Security Branch until I was transferred on the instruction of the President then, President Mpepu to go and be Chief of Staff of the Venda Defence Force in 1985, and then I went through a number of courses in the defence force.  Eventually I ended up as the appointed Chief of Defence Force, the Deputy Chief of Defence Force and I has to proceed again on other courses until in 1990 with the release of Mandela, President Mandela, and that I also got involved in a military coup d'etat in Venda.  I took over Venda and I tried everything at my disposal then to reconcile the people of Venda with those who were the enemies of Venda.  I built the Venda people and united them and brought in the spirit of reconciliation.  
	When we were due to represent Venda at Codesa and later on at multi-party conference I made sure that all people from all spheres of life, especially those in Venda, are nominated to sit with me at Codesa and multi-party talks. I took, amongst the victims here, Dean Farisani, he was one of my delegation.  To me this is a sign of reconciliation.  It is a sign that says forget about the past, let's build a new South Africa together.  	I am the first homeland leader to host the first internal conference of MK.  We were fighting against MK in 1981 and '79 backwards.  But I found it necessary to gather them to come to Venda and host a conference, the MK conference.  
	I brought the various groupings within South Africa and Venda to come and discuss about quo vadis TBVC.  To look at what is going to happen to the TBVC States, because the future of these states were in the hands of who comes into power in the new South Africa, so I held a conference to discuss the future of these TBVC.  
	I was the first homeland leader to visit the MK headquarters in Lusaka.  The first conference of the TBVC, MK, SANDF was attended by me.  
	I was responsible for bringing about, for brokering the conference on enmity between the South African Defence Force, South African Police and APLA in Harare.  
	Now I can name a number of things that indicates you know, the change of attitude, the change of approach, the deepest felt apology that one could bring across.