CORNELIUS ADOLF JANSE ODENDAL
Mr Chairman I do not have any knowledge of that.  I can tell you another story if you want to hear it.  After Mr Johnson Ngxobongwana became mayor, two, three years afterwards he came into conflict with one of his other council members, Nongwe, and they fought and Ngxobongwana was driven out of the area and they broke down his house and he's living in Sandrift at the moment.