CHAIRPERSON
Yes, I know that.  I'm not talking about the initiative, I just want us to get to the point of this application - hopefully.  All that I want to know is, was it against the policy of the ANC to protect the community, the policy of the ANC and MK, or was it in accordance with their policy?  So in other words, what you did, was that against the policy of the ANC, or was it in accordance with that policy?