WHITE MOHAPE
All right and then I would say even prior to him coming to, you know, to the police station Erasmus, Lieutenant Shaw, they would say to me, work with us, be our informer.  I will say to them, no, no, I cannot do that and I, you know, I explained one situation to Erasmus and said to him, you know, it is very easy for a person to be your informer, because I am in the leadership of Cosas, yes, I am having first hand information about our activities, I can come to you and give you the information and you can give me money, but a day will come when, you know, students around will realise that all along I have been an informer, what are you going to say on that day?  Then Erasmus said to me, no, no do not worry, that thing will not happen.  I said you are lying and I made an example of one student leader or student activist who was an informer and then he was exposed and then he subsequently joined them.  That was Zeva and he knows him.
	I said you know what happened to Zeva.  Zeva was one of those student leaders and he sold out, but then he was uncovered and what happened to him?  I do not want to go the same route and then after that I was then locked up at Bayswater.  Days after days Horn will come to me and ... (intervention).