FERDINAND BARNARD
Mr Chairperson, I apologise if I use such language.  It is not really about my circumstances in the prison, but in the past I testified where a Chairperson told me that I must call a spade a spade.  Unfortunately there are certain circumstances where I will in future evidence in discussions between myself and Slang van Zyl, where it will come up again, where I want to create the circumstances, for example in Apie, where I want to create the idea about what exactly happened between the two of us and I'd like to call a spade a spade then.