COLIN ANTHONY PECKENHAM ROBERTSHAW
Chairperson, I think we're talking about two different things now.  The ad hoc meeting was about these people that we're talking about now, the victims, the so-called victims, there weren't specific meetings, detailed meetings that these people would have to attend and so on, about that.  We had meetings concerning the general information gathering process and what was gathered and how it was going to be, to use your own words, the collation of it and the analysing it, on the dissemination of it.  That's true.