MR HLONGWANE
Yes, I remember - can I continue explaining?  I remember when I went to Umfolozi, I was around a table with Prince Gideon Zulu discussing the killing of people.  We were drinking tea in the morning and his bodyguard and Mutwa were also present.  We were drinking tea, the two of us and he was saying: "You see I didn't know that M Z was really talking about a good soldier like yourself".
	We used to discuss these things.  People like M Z Khumalo and Prince Gideon Zulu would be so pleased and give me whatever they could.