CHAIRPERSON
Whether he gave him the same facts or whether he spoke with the same conviction, whether he wore on his face the same appearance of credibility, but I don't understand why somebody would say, 'well listen I think I went to a cafe, I took out a loaf of bread to go and feed the comrades who were starving in the bush. Some people think I stole that bread, but as far as I'm concerned I paid for that at the till but there's an argument, but just in case people find out I didn't pay for that loaf of bread, I want amnesty.'  And then he comes in front of us, he says, 'I took a loaf of bread from the shelves, I definitely gave the money to the cashier and the cashier gave me change. I didn't steal that'.