GARY JOHN KRUSER
I think people, they were as I was saying, there were many security guards - there were people on the parapet  I mean every individual at that stage made a decision based on what he saw that day.  There are people who say that didn't hear the order to fire - they shot because they felt they were threatened and they would draw their conclusions from their own set of facts or why they do that - I don't think we can make a simplification of the fact that because we fired first -I think people fire for a reason, there's nothing wrong with firing first if you think you are under attack.  You have to take into account at any given time and I think every different security officer and commander that day had different positions would come to a different conclusion at a different time, so I don't think you can just concede that one fact could change the whole difference.