MR BLACK
Mr Chairman, it is not my intention to go into any detail, unnecessary detail.  I disagree, I haven't - I have read the evidence and I have consulted with the victims, that evidence I have read.  I disagree with what my learned friend says as to broadly speaking, as to how they entered the house and what happened in the house conforms with the evidence given by the applicant.  I must disagree.
	I can highlight the issues which I wish to highlight because I intend Mr Masupa is going to request that he give evidence and I don't want, I wouldn't, I assume my learned friend would also be understanding in that regard and not subject him to unnecessary cross-examination.