MR LAX
Mr Cachalia what he's saying in essence, and it's not being one hundred percent translated, is that he didn't know this person, and he didn't know that that person was his lawyer.  Now that means he'd never met her before.  If you want to follow that aspect up and clear it up before you then put it to him, that's fine, but it's, I think you have to narrow the issues before you nail the witness down, if that's how you want to do it.