MR DLAMINI
But the mother, as I say, was friendly with us and she used to come across often in the evening and have a drink with us.  And from time to time, you know, she would drop little snippets and sort of nuggets of gossip and scandal that came over the police radio network, you see.  And one of the one evening the mother, Eunice, told us was that there was a hit list out, and that my name was on it. Now, this was shortly after the murder of Ric Turner.  And I thought about this, you know, and I thought well maybe, you know, there is actually a security branch hit list that existed.   On the other hand, maybe they have picked up information that there is a group somewhere which they have got this hit list, and it might just have been sort of excitement of the moment after Ric's murder, you see.  But in any case, I decided to take no chances, and to arm myself.   But I wasn't allowed to own a weapon, because I have a criminal record, but my wife was able to own a weapon, and I went out and bought this very ugly pump gun, a pump action 12 bore shotgun, with 8 shells in the magazine, and I taught myself to use this.   You ... (inaudible) ... the use of weapons from a military background.