MR MADASA
...[indistinct] It's Thabiso Ntomo who is at Johannesburg prison, Michael Armoed, he's also at Johannesburg prison and Mohal Oscar Motlokwa who is number 3 on the list of applicants and who is detained at Leeuwkop prison.
	As we speak now, the two who are at the Johannesburg prison are not present yet.  They have not been brought by the prison authorities.   Mr Chair, I've managed to make a headway with regard to these consultations but as I've explained to my learned friend here, it does not mean the hearing cannot commence because they are not all here.  I agree with that but it's important for me to have all the applicants at the same time to agree on certain aspects Mr Chair, to avoid them contradicting each when they do give evidence before the Commission.  We have to agree, certain rules ...[intervention]