FERDINAND BARNARD
There has been various forms of evidence in the inquest and during my trial to Waverley House.  I established a brothel in Waverley along with Eugene de Kock from Vlakplaas, with whom I regularly had contact and had close liaison.  He is also a friend of mine.
	His involvement in the Waverley House has been misinterpreted by many witnesses as a Vlakplaas operation, but it was purely an MI/DCC safehouse and premises, but Mr de Kock provided certain logistical support to me.  He assisted me in furnishing the place, in fitting refrigerators, in arranging swiftly for the installation of telephones and so forth.  At the same time, I made the premises available to him as a place where he could debrief sensitive sources or just as a place to visit, or perhaps, if he wanted to set up someone in a complimentary position, sometimes he would just visit the place and come and see me.  Sometimes it would be 15 or 20 of them at a time, sometimes three, sometimes it was him alone, sometimes he was with others.