BERNARD MAKGABO NGOEPE
You understood that Mr Stander wanted the Truth Commission to pay, or let me say - the Truth Commission helps people like you to pay for your legal fees, it's all over the country.  The Truth Commission says it pays a certain amount per day and Mr Stander wanted the Truth Commission to pay higher.  The Truth Commission said: "We cannot pay higher because all our lawyers would demand that amount as we pay per individual case".
	Mr Stander said: "If you are not going to pay me the amount I've demanded, it is better for me to withdraw because the Truth Commission cannot pay that amount because it will cause problems - that lawyers all over the country would demand that amount Mr Stander was looking for.
	The Truth Commission has it's own layers who are permanent employees of the Truth Commission, who help victims without lawyers.  The other one is Mr Mpshe, the other one is Mr Brink and they are employed by the Truth Commission for victims who come here without lawyers will be helped by them.  
	In other cases you'd find that there are victims who have lawyers but don't have money, therefore the Truth Commission will be able to pay that lawyer but that lawyer should accept the money or the amount paid by the Truth Commission.  Mr Stander didn't agree with that part of payment, then we told you that lawyers who are employed by the Truth Commission would be able to represent you, then you said you don't want that lawyer.
	Again after that, you said you are withdrawing, then you spoke to Mr Mthembu.  Mr Mthembu was representing Mr Ngo and Mr Motsamai and he's afraid that if he's going to represent you, further down the evidence of the two applicants will be in accord with your evidence and in that case there will be a problem of conflict of interest, do you understand?  
	I'm not deciding on your behalf.  If you want your evidence to be in front of this Committee, it would be better to use the lawyers who are hired by the Truth Commission.  They go to all the sittings around the country to represent victims like you who are not able to afford lawyers.  If you want that lawyer to represent you, it's up to you.  
	You should understand why Mr Stander withdrew - the money he wanted or he claimed was too much and the Truth Commission was not able to pay.  If the Truth Commission agreed to pay that amount to Mr Stander, it would create some problems in the future because all of them - all lawyers who are representing victims, should be paid equal amounts.  
	What do you think now?  Do you want to ask something?  Is there anything you want to ask - to know, you want to ask for clarity?