MR VISSER
Well Mr Chairman, may I reluctantly join in the thray?  On the basis of the questions and the fairness to the questions to Mr Erasmus, I wish to point out that nowhere in this affidavit has Mr Gerrit Erasmus been implicated by Mr Bobelo.  In point of fact Mr Bobelo himself, refers to a period of time which you will notice at page 9 the second last paragraph, where he states that Nick van Rensburg was in charge of the security branch.
	So, I don't know Mr Chairman, whether this refers to the occasion when Mr Mthimkhulu was detained in 1981, bearing in mind that it is common cause that he was detained on more than one occasion.  So I didn't want unnecessarily to object ...[intervention]