MR LOWIES
Mr Nosenga, the point is, you raised a point and that's why I'm taking it up with you.  In the nine charges where you were convicted of murder you also killed a woman by the name of Elizabeth Gadebe.  You killed a sixteen year old child, Justice Skumeng and you killed a seventeen year old child, Jacob Ditebe.  You fired shots at a lady by the name of Jane Mbele and Maria Mlangene.  So what is the difference between those attacks and the Boipatong attacks if you want to rely on the fact that ladies were involved and children involved?