MS GCABASHE
Sorry, because again abantu can mean strictly black people, umululagenu munt(?), we say that sometimes or abantu could be as you say human beings, that's the only distinction Mr Sandi is trying to draw because we understand the Xhosa meaning of umuntu(?).  That is the only bit of clarification that I can appreciate him asking and I was wondering as well, thanks.  If you can just help us on that one, mauti abantu ...[indistinct].  Do you mean ...[intervention]