CAPT MENTZ
The information which he was to have been leaking, was that the SAP members and their families were 
being subjected to intimidation.  Especially the Black members, their houses were attacked and they were 
sometimes stoned and in some instances they were killed.
	Reporters were identified who were intimidated and some of them were killed by being necklaced 
as we saw on the video footage and the community was intimidated not to cooperate with the Security 
Police anymore and not to give them information any longer.
	The identification of ascaris was also done and the exposure of covert operations.  Ascaris were 
afraid that if they were identified they and their families would be murdered.  That is the information which 
I received from Colonel Baker and Bellingham and that is the information
which Brian Ngqulunga was alleged to have been leaking.
	I do not have any specific knowledge of any specific incidents about which Brian Ngqulunga was 
to have leaked information, it was conveyed to me in a general manner.
	The instructions which we received from Colonel De Kock, as I said yesterday in my evidence, 
were to put a spade in covert defence and defence activities.  Colonel De Kock received direct instructions 
from the Commanding Structure at Security Headquarters.
	I never participated in any planning of any couvert operations, I was merely a foot soldier who 
executed instructions as though they had been approved by Head Office.
	I am now on page 55.  The operations were planned after we had agreed that Simon Radebe 
would point Ngqulunga out to us at a point where we would pick him up.  I never 
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