EUGENE ALEXANDER DE KOCK
No, Chairperson, we first went to Piet Retief.  Initially I would have travelled with Brigadier Schoon, who was the Commander of C-Section or C-Unit.  However, I notified him of this request from Piet Retief and in that case I withdrew myself.  I briefly discussed the situation with him and informed him why he and I would not be able to travel together.  We departed for Piet Retief and it was only the following morning, I would say between 10 and 11, that we joined Brig Schoon and the rest of the group who were on their way to Black Rock.  I think it was Black Rock or Island Rock was the name of the place.