PAUL PHILLIPUS FRANCOIS FUCHS
As I've already said, I was never in possession of this tape recording.  Somebody at some stage came and played this tape recording for us and it might have been Colonel Van Dyk, but I never physically had this tape recording in my possession.
	Why I am saying that is that every Security policeman has his own little tape recorder.  I didn't have a tape recording machine at the scene.  I do use it when I question informers and so on, so I wouldn't have kept someone else's tape recording with me.