ABRAM VAN ZYL
I do not know Chairperson, that is a question that Wouter would have to answer, whom he spoke to, with what persons he liaised after he for example had received information from me with regard to the minibus, I do not know.  The structure worked as we had explained, on a need to know basis.
	I went up to Wouter Basson and whom he liaised with further, I am not able to say.