GERRIT NICHOLAS ERASMUS
If I remember correctly, the people phoned me and I think I was in Grahamstown busy with some inspection when they phoned me and what was told to me was that they abducted the people and that they were on their way somewhere.  You can't on the phone discuss a matter like this in detail, you can't - they simply said they'd arrested them and they were on their way and after that I had no further contact with them.