MR VISSER
Mr Chairman, I have a difficulty here.  Mr Ngo refers to an incident where 20 to 25 people were brought in one group to this building.  I understand what you are telling me.  Mr Motsamai says, I am talking about all of that and all the others.
	But there is a problem Mr Chairman, and if we had a lot of time, we could go through it and work it out, there is a problem with names because Mr Motsamai in his application, gave no names.  He later came and gave a list of 26 odd names.	
	Now, those are not necessarily the people that Mr Ngo refers to and I want to be fair to this witness.  I want him to place on record precisely whether he was involved or whether he wasn't involved when a group of 20 to 25 people were interrogated.