BERNARD MAKGABO NGOEPE
Sorry Mr Bizos, I'm going to say something 
here at this stage, an observation.  We in all, almost all and 
perhaps all applications for amnesty, we deal with people who 
were convicted and who would have said, oh I didn't commit this 
offence, under oath and then he's obviously disbelieved and 
convicted.  When they make applications for amnesty we expect 
that they would say now I'm telling the truth, last time I lied 
under oath.