MR NTONGA
Okay, now you have left the Mr Pama and the security and the other man, that is the other policeman, has gone somewhere, and you are talking to the second security man asking about the position of the doors whether to shut them or not.  Were you having your back to them, that Mr at security, the first one and the policeman or were you in a position to see them when you were going towards this door that you wanted to close down?