MR MBANDAZAYO
May I clarify Mr Chairman.  Mr Chairman, I visited him in prison in Bloemfontein.  I was visiting some of the prisoners in Bloemfontein also included.  There were applications which he gave to me which I think are those that I must send them to Cape Town, which I did Mr Chairman but unfortunately now I don't have the details because I didn't know that they will be required here because it was - we talked about Heidelberg incident.
	But I did forward them and I also wrote to the TRC and asked about these incidents, they confirmed that they have applications from him but I don't have the details now because I was coming for the Heidelberg incident - they are all in East London where I come from.