GEORGE DUBE
Ja, ja, ja.  So okay alright I was feeling bad there because I was arrested so I couldn't understand the language of these people.  So I had to learn Portuguese there, that's where I learned Portuguese because I stayed there for three years being locked up.  Being busy telling these people time and again that they should call the ANC because these officers who were the owners of this place,
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who were keeping this prison they were telling us that your problem is not our problem, it's ANC problem.  The ANC is the one who is supposed to solve your problem.  So I've been telling them that why don't you call them to come and solve our problem.  Comrade Mzwai was there I remember, he was chief of security at that time, and Comrade Masondo.  
 So they came after one year me being there.  I was the first to arrive in that prison.  I was joined by other colleagues from the ANC.  Now they were staying in the camp in town there.  They are the ones who told me that there is Comrade Nzwai there whom I saw in Tanzania, the time I arrived there, that there are new comrades who are staying, Angolan soldiers there.  So I knew that Mzwai is there so I was telling these officers to call Mzwai to come and solve our problems that we can't just be staying here rotting in this place, doing nothing.  So he appeared after one year.  He appeared again then the third year when we have already done hunger strike of 19 days, me and the other three guys, we were 12 now already, one girl, 11 boys and one girl in that prison.  To an extent that one of our comrades ran away from that prison, Tom Mabinda, a tall, hefty guy, he jumped the wall, the walls had glasses in around it, so he put a blanket and then he jumped over it.  He jumped over, he ran away he went to town.  I don't know what he did in town so he was arrested, he was brought back with handcuffs.  He slept with handcuffs for two weeks in a single cell.  So when the food was being brought for them, those who were staying in the single cells he came out he didn't want to go back there.  So the officers came around there, then one Coloured officer, the chief of the Investigation Department shot him with an AK47.  Three bullets in the abdomen.  He 
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died instantly.  That is Tom Mabinda he was from Orlando East that is what he told me.
 So alright we did a hunger strike and then after three years the three of us, there were nine comrades who were afraid, nine colleagues who was afraid to join us, three of us, me and another Coloured guy from Cape Town.  So we were released after 19 days.  So the comrades came there those days to ask me, they came with some trousers and a shirt and so forth, for the first time they had given us clothing.  So these comrades they called me there, they asked me that I must tell them who sent me here then, that is here, I am somehow I am being sent by Boers here is it to come and spy.  I got angry I slammed the door, I came out of that office, I never talked to them anymore because I was angry.  They were asking me something which was somehow awkward, it was an insult to me.  So they called the other guys they were asking this very question I don't know, it's two or three guys of us we were called around there.  
 So from there, after the hunger strike they had the story that there are ANC people that are dying there.  So they came to collect us.  So me I was still a bit strong because we were taken to the hospital twice, brought back and then we were told that we must eat, we can't take you to ANC being like this.  We said we don't want to eat anything, we are going to eat only at the residence of the ANC, not here ...(intervention)
REV. FINCA: Okay, okay George.  And when were you then arrested by the ANC?