RAYNER MARIA MORINGER
Not at all.  If I may sort of go beyond the 12th of April 1991, I had serious repercussions afterwards.  I think Mr Mbotoli was held at Port St Johns for a period of about six months, I am not hundred percent sure of the period and then Gen Holomisa held a press conference and introduced Mr Mbotoli officially now, as having been abducted into the Transkei and the military at that stage, handed over Mr Mbotoli, or had to hand over Mr Mbotoli to the Police as the Police was preparing a treason trial with altogether I think, 20 accused.   Mr Mbotoli was part of those accused on the treason trial.  Consequently Mr Mbotoli also had access from his lawyers and from, I presume from the South African Embassy and implicated me in the abduction and one day, it was about six months after the actual abduction, I get a phone call that about 12 people I presumed Security Police, were at my house, looking for me and looking for a bar in the house, which the house didn't have and told my wife that it is in connection with the abduction/kidnapping of Mr Mbotoli.  I at that, it was about one o'clock in the afternoon, at that time, my wife managed to phone me and warned me that the Police was there to arrest me in that connection.  I consequently immediately phoned Colonel Mzwaiba in the Transkei and I told him that the Police is now about to arrest me, and I was told to pack up and come to the Transkei straight away and should get in touch with the Military Attache at the Embassy for assistance, which I did.  At that time, the Military Attache at the Embassy told me that he was going the next morning to the Transkei to take up his position as Minister of Police and if I could sort of hang around in Johannesburg for another, call it 12 hours, because then we could drive down to the Transkei in convoy, which I did, and the next morning we left Johannesburg at about seven o'clock and I moved to the Transkei where I lived for I think two to three years, in the Transkei in Umtata, at a house provided by the Transkei government.  Later I spent about half a year in Uganda.  That is in short the situation.