MR VISSER
Mr Chairman, Commissioner Lax is correct, but we don't want to argue the matter now but it is clear from the neighbour's statement and from this statement which I've just shown you that she was told that on that date, the neighbour told her that Khubeka had left to the station to meet some people and it seems to tie up, Chairperson.  Well, but in any event we can argue about that later.  We believe, or the applicants believe that it was somewhere in May, but we have no problem if it was in April, that's the only point I'm trying to make.  Very well, would you proceed with paragraph 2?