MR KAHANOVITZ
Then just to go to the issue that we were talking about before the tea break, if I might refer the Committee to pages 961 and 962 of the record, the cross-examination of Abram van Zyl.  I was asking Mr van Zyl at that stage about his evidence to the effect that he had handed
R10 000 back to Nick, which had previously been handed to Van Zyl in relation to the Omar project, and I asked him why he gave this R10 000 back.  You will see in the middle of the page he says:
"I was requested to do so because as I have already testified, as a result of the fact that the then President PW Botha, had suffered from a heart attack and Mr FW de Klerk had become the new President, our internal projects were all brought to a halt and all funds that were at our disposal we had to give back to the organisation.  And this is the reason why I flew up to give him the money back and also to get the powder back from him."
And then you'll see on the following page I put another question to him, I say:
"Mr van Zyl, the evidence that was given at the Harms Commission was something along the following lines.  It was said that PW Botha knew about the CCB and their activities, but FW de Klerk didn't.  So that when FW de Klerk became the State President, until such time as he was informed, the CCB would not, as far as internal activities were concerned, would not conduct any further internal activities.  Was that your understanding?"
and his answer is:
"That is correct."
Now what comment do you have to make about what Mr van Zyl says here?