MR ROSSOUW
Those are my instructions Mr Chairman.  As far as the travel arrangements are concerned, we have requested him to make the necessary arrangements to come.  In any event, Mr Chairman, it's not because he can't get transport to here, that he's not here, that is not the situation.  The fact of the matter is that because he can't get away from work, the arrangements were not made for him to travel here.  Those are my instructions.  I can't - Mr Chairman, I'll phone and try and get instructions how long this audit is going to be carried out, but apparently he will not be able to attend this meeting.  He did inform me that he will testify and he's not withdrawing his application, it's just a matter of him not being available right now.