TESTIMONY_GIVER:
  No.  I was trying to give you the background of something that took place.  These people were killing people, and it took so long for them to be discovered, as even in Clermont this went on. Children died in Clermont.  Assaulted, children were assaulted.  Some died in Clermont, and the police hid this, hid all these evil deeds.  I don't even think anyone was accused of this.  They were shot.  And the perpetrators were known, using the kombi and grabbing the children and do all sorts of things to them.  Now I was trying to give the picture that even so and so will be known, because even the Indian, Beleni, who was in town, was discovered as well.