MR RICHARD
What I have given Mr Ismail an opportunity to reply to is that we have two lists before us.   One, a list of what in accordance with the Kabwe test that I outlined some minutes ago, are legitimate incidents, that is Appendix 4, then in Appendix 5, a list of what are obviously events in which civilians were either injured, killed or put in danger for which the ANC does not take unequivocal responsibility, and I say an inference may be drawn.  He has the opportunity to reply to me.