MR BLACK
Okay.   Because looking at your affidavit here, I just wanted clarity about that, because paragraph 19 of that, you speak "van deure", this is before the shooting, and when your hands were pinned down, you say that
"Ek is toe deur 'n horde mense toegesak",
jy is toegesak deur 'n horde mense?   It's a horde of people, but I understand that was the five or six people, paragraph 19?