MS SAMUEL
Thank you Mr Chairman.  Unfortunately I'm not in a position to argue this matter.  May I be granted an indulgence in regard to the argument of the matter to be held over until we have listened to Mr Meyer who in fact positively identified the deceased as being Scorpion or alternatively Oupa Madondo.  Also if Mr Visser would be given an opportunity, I'm sure an adjournment, if granted, will give Mr Visser an opportunity to look at proper photos of the deceased and maybe then it will jog his memory as to whether we are talking about the same Mr Madondo, alias Scorpion.  Also what is
very important is the evidence of Mr Des Carr.  I think only after we have listened to Mr Des Carr's evidence will we be representing the victims only, the victims will be in a position to argue for or against the granting of amnesty.