CHAIRPERSON
Mr Mpshe, just on this, my understanding on my Malefane's evidence, was that Mr Mabena didn't give him any order or instruction, I mean they met at a party and he mentioned that they needed money to train a task force in a discussion and then the applicant said then thereafter, he took it upon himself, he decided himself to go and get money for Mabena, it wasn't that Mabena said okay you're a member of PAC, you are instructed to go and get money?