MR SHANE
Right, he was worried about that, but I submit with the greatest respect, there was no shooting of him, there was no active attack of him, and he shot, and then the shots came afterwards.  And then you have to look at the police actions afterwards.  What did they do after they shot him?  They didn't kill him, they didn't take him to a hostel to be dealt with, they took him to hospital.
	This was, the police didn't do the normal thing that they were doing at the time, with him.  The police didn't do to him, what they had done to many others, and I submit that is also significant Mr Chairman.
	It might have not been clear that he was in fact, that an act of self defence would succeed or he might not even ...