CHAIRPERSON
Order please.  Those of you who are not here to listen, you are not forced to be here.  If you want to talk you can go outside, I'm not going to stop you but when you are here inside, because as you can hear these are very sensitive and deep issues that we are hearing about.  Thank you very much, we will probably be coming in terms of the questions to you.  I don't know whether either of you, no, the other two gentlemen.  Order please.