ADV PRIOR
... matter on the role is the amnesty application of Zukile Mbambo and Dumisane Ncamazana.  The Committee is as previously constituted.  The legal representatives are the same as before.
	Mr Chairman, the reason for reconvening was to lead the further evidence in this matter of Mr Jimmy Jones.  He is represented by Mr B B Ntonga, who is present. 
	Mr Chairman before that is done, may I bring the following matters to your attention.  Mr Chairman, you and your Committee will no doubt be aware of the ongoing communication and discussion regarding the availability of Mr Happy Mpahlele to give evidence in this matter, that although placed under notice to be he refused to accept the notice and there were also certain indications by his attorney, Mr Mbandazayo, in an attempt to try and secure his attendance, culminating in a meeting with this or with certain Committee Members in, I think was it Pinetown?  Mr Mpahlele has not made himself available and I understand is not prepared to give evidence.  He indicated that there were certain preconditions that would have to be met before he gave his evidence, and those preconditions have not been met.  They relate to certain lists of APLA cadres in the possession of the police and the police aren't willing to release those.  So by and all it's a situation where Mr Mpahlele is not making himself available.
	Now on the 1st of June - and as a result of an approach made to the PAC by the Commission, I think it was Doctor Alex Boraine that had spoken to Mr Mondane and the President of the PAC, the PAC submitted to the TRC certain submissions which is dated the 27th of May. Those were circulated to all interested parties by letter, or by fax letter on the 1st of June 1998, in particular the applicants' counsel was faxed a copy of those submissions on the 1st of June 1998.  May I enquire whether the Committee is in possession of those submissions?  Mr Chairman, if I may just show you it, it's on a PAC letterhead, signed by Patricia de Lille on behalf of Mr Mike Mondane.