JOHAN MARTIN VAN ZYL
This person had been infiltrated from abroad as a trained MK cadre, Mr Chairman, he was therefore - for him to change his ideological mind-set, he had to be spoken to by various people in the Security Branch who had various interests from the different desks.  He had been interrogation for sure, by different people from Security Branch Headquarters and then later by Soweto as well.  That was just the norm at the time, he had to know more than one person.  Maybe he was handled later by Mr Martin van Niekerk, but before that he must have, during this phase in which he was turned, he must have met more people than only Mr van Niekerk, Sir.