MR MALAN
That, I accept both of your arguments, my question is really why would the applicant not have said to Fouche, "Do we really have to go through a robbery, why can't you bring in, I know Elsa, she comes to my office, I visit her at home, Joseph has been to me, we need the other two members, can't they all come and bring guns, so we can pay them for the guns and arrest them, detain them and investigate them?"