CHAIRPERSON
Just before you start.  You are aware of the oral evidence which has been given by the witness in this case, Jeremiah Ndudula.  I don't think, as a Commission  you'd  want us,  we want  you  to dwell  on  Mashibini and Moss.  It is clear from the oral evidence, that, the written evidence is being, been disputed by the witness himself, that he has actually listed these as people who were, who assaulted him  or who tortured him.  Perhaps we should not waste our time addressing those two issues, we would want to refer those back to the Commission for closer scrutiny, but the case of Mr Kolela, perhaps that's the one that you should address us on.