ISRAEL HLONGWANE
Yes although it is sad and painful I will answer you directly.  Even if it is Sgangi's mother, if we have met her at that particular point, even if it was Sgangi's father, we would have killed because Sgangi is the person who was actually perpetrating violence here so everything that belonged to his place we actually took it as a UDF.  We were actually not going directly to a person but the entire thing.