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Maybe to deal with the first question.  I am a gender activist myself, there are no cultural or traditional custom rules that prohibited Constance to give a statement but then she wanted to give her own statement during the women hearings of what she suffered.  I mean she has been in detention as many times as one can no longer count.  She was one of those people who was in custody the longest amongst the women in Gauteng I think.  People were just coming and going and she just stayed there in the state of emergency and she just wanted to talk about those issues and then I think when the women hearings takes place in Gauteng she will be amongst those who will be giving a testimony there.  On the second question I must say that in the conduct of the struggle it is true that there were things that went wrong in many instances but then the wrongs were not planned by
ALEXANDRA HEARING TRC/GAUTENG
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the organisation, the wrongs were not planned by the leaders and therefore those wrongs when they occurred people had to come in and say stop it.  In some instances we did succeed, in some incidences we did not succeed, where people tell you who you are and they just continued with those particular activities.  And that was the situation unfortunately where in some areas we could not really give maximum control on.  And then just to be specific on occurrences on the peoples courts, the peoples courts were set not by us as leaders, not by us as organisations but it was the residents who demanded them by frequently going to the youth and say may I solve your problem now and (indistinct) until we are solved.  Those were the incidences when we went deeper, as we were preparing for their cases too but how they came in to being because all of a sudden we were charged with these peoples courts.  We then got this other information that people demanded and wanted them and because they found solace in them.  But the unfortunate as I earlier indicated, was that some people got excited after the events of the six days war.  Alexandra changed completely.  There was complete anger that dominated Alexandra then but a period prior to there was that very good organisational control over the situation and unfortunately the deaths and the massacres that then followed really worsened the situations and one will not therefore say that everything that was done thereafter could be justified as just because the wrongs you know did occur unfortunately but not because they were planned or mastered by certain organisations or leaders.