MR VISSER
You were also implicated in the alleged torturing of comrades at Botshabelo, by Mr Ngo, and he says about you - at page 35 of his application, I'm sorry, 32 of his application
"Members of the security police and the riot squad police who participated in the beating up of comrades arrested at Botshabelo were as follows"
and your name Warrant Officer Mbanjani is mentioned.  Now let me just tell you the background.  There was evidence that during 1985/86, we're not sure when, there were a large group of people that were arrested in the time of unrest, approximately 40 of them, and they were taken to Botshabelo police station and according to Mr Ngo they were there arrested in various ways.  Do you know anything about that?