MR PRINSLOO
I'll have to find it, Mr Chairman.   What I've also got here, Mr Chairman, is what she said in A1, which was also handed in, a note she made as to what - for instance at page 6 of that Exhibit A1, which I can just find now, she wrote at paragraph 15 of A1
"He said I must re-write parts of my statement, that Clive had said that this and that, when I, for example told him I can't remember when he asked me when something had happened, if, as if something happened, then he would say, `Well, you'll sit here until you can remember' or `We'll detain you further'."
That's with reference to De Waal.