NICHOLAS JANSE VAN RENSBURG
I told Gilbert that or Gilbert suggested that Nieuwoudt should come and see me at my office on this particular day and I told Gilbert that I had other commitments for the day and if he wanted Nieuwoudt to come and see me, it would have to take place very early in the day because I wouldn't be available the rest of the day.  And that is why it was arranged for early in the morning.