CHAIRPERSON
You see Mr Odendal one of the principles of the strategy that Mr Schelhase described to us is the para-militarisation of communities by government to create that conflict.  We have seen, in this case and in other cases, that there were individuals who were activists or who were known to be MK, Umkhonto weSizwe, ANC cadres, who were planted by the security department in a number of communities in the Western Cape precisely to mobilise the young activists in the communities into action and into violent action.  In other words the State had appropriated these forms of violence for itself by planting these askaris in these communities.  There has been evidence led to that effect.
 So when you tell us that the Witdoeke were tired of being burnt out I am not sure that this is the full picture and I am a little concerned because this was the evidence you led during the trial in those years but you still seem  to be holding on to that stance in spite of what we have heard was actually happening which was something more sinister than any of us could prove at that time.