PROF MEIRING
Thank you very much, Mr Nmani.  Maybe we could ask you a few questions and then return to Mrs Mahlhoko to ask her a few questions. But Mr Mnami, can I jus ask you, you say that Oupa was shot twice,  first with a pump gun and then he was shot with a pistol.  Is that correct?  And the man who did that was Apie Seokolo.