MR VISSER
Mr Chairman, I may read to you the note of my attorney who keeps better notes than I do, I may add.  He says under the heading,
"Elia Mohapi.  The same people ...",
the question was,
"... were the same people involved in the attack on ...",
words to the effect of,
"... attack on Jani Mohapi's car as were, as was the case with Elia Mohapi and he said we were working as a team.  It was the same people.  Motsamai, he himself, threw nothing.  I did it.  Ngo says, I did it.  Motsamai threw nothing. I did it.  He knew what we were doing ...",
that would be Motsamai,
"... the problem with Mohapi is a problem of the SAP not to me personally ..."
some, words to that effect, but the remaining impression was, we specifically asked him are you saying it is the same people and he said yes.