ANDRIES HENDRIK ALBERTS
No, sorry, this was Mr Du Plessis. It was an error when I said Mr Van Wyk.
	Just to give the background. At that stage I had left the AWB.  The leadership had been discredited.  I personally and in our discussions with Jean du Plessis, we agreed that there wasn't any hope of realising our political aspirations through the AWB.  This was to offer resistance to the Communist onslaught and the Black take-over of our country.  We discussed new methods of achieving a liberation organisation to liberate us from this Communist take-over.  We had several discussions.  We talked about the fact that it should be an underground movement, that we should function in cells, that we would begin small, that our aim should be to amass weapons. We foresaw that we were involved in a war, on account of the acts of terror that had already taken place. Incidents such as the Pretoria bomb, the McBride bomb and many others.
	We saw that in fact we were involved in a war.  On  numerous occasions I stated this clearly in public and in the international medial. I appeared on television in America and England and I conveyed the view that we were involved in a war and that it related to a retention of what was one's own in the establishment of a self-governing volkstaat.
	We could predict that violence would have to be combated with violence.  We could see that we would have to obtain arms and ammunition and we would have to have money to achieve our aims.
	We made plans to gain access to Defence Force arsenals or magazines.  I took the initiative of acquiring keys from individuals of magazines.  We also discussed the principle of the fact that if somebody did not need to have information on an operation, or needed to know who was involved, that he only had to know what was necessary for him to know.  We discussed the principle of the blood oath, and I personally felt very strong that if anybody betrayed our cause, that he would have to be killed. I said that I felt that this was a necessity that people joining our organisation should know that we were serious and that we were committed to our cause and would not allow ourselves to be undermined by treachery.
	The point was also that if anybody from the security forces should try to infiltrate us, and betray our cause, we would have to act drastically.