JUDGE MGOEPE
I think the question was on what factual basis do you say that Mr Venter was handled by Mr Erasmus, and then you started by saying "in the first place", that's why Mr Visser wanted some more information from you, he thought that you are still going to add some more facts.  Because you started off by saying, "in the first place Venter was told to protect me and he did protect me".