THEMBELANI TANDEKILE XUNDU
Okay.  The white community in this country are the one people I have never considered as civilians, pure civilians, in the true sense that I could just point at that old man there and find out that he doesn't know anything, absolutely nothing or anything about a weapon.
	The militarisation of the white community was something which was, let me say, legalised or institutionalised, I don't know what is the appropriate word there, but the true conception for instance, we know every white adult man at the age of 18 or above have undergone military training and right from there you ...[indistinct] the distinction between the African people and the white community in terms of training.
	You can easily refer to the African people as civilians because you will not attach anything that is military but with the white community it is a different concern, it's a different situation.  They have undergone military training and after having undergone military training they are part and parcel of ...[end of tape] 
	...[inaudible] explain my point.  Even before they are conscripted there was a cadet system and there is still a cadet system only for white persons in this country.