MR VISSER
Well let's just get that straight Mr Ismail.  You see a lot is bandied about about what this building really contained.  It was the Nedbank building do you know that, the building is called the Nedbank Building and it housed civilians as well as personnel of the South African Defence Force.  I want to make it quite clear, administrative personnel, as well as Air Force personnel also in the administrative defence force.  So there were no Police there.  Not as far as we are aware anyway, but we stand to be corrected.