MR RICHARD
I cannot give any comment on my knowledge as to the second signature.  I've looked at it and, I can't take the point further.  Right, now, we return to your statement there at page 10 of the bundle.  There's a sequence of events that you set out there, which goes basically this way if I understand your evidence as read with this.  My recollection, and I'm happy to be corrected, is that you say that Sicelo Dhlomo was fetched from his parents house that Sunday morning, if I remember correctly earlier this morning.