UNKNOWN
Now Mr Ngo has also implicated you in regard to the group of people who were brought to Bloemfontein and in the bundle, Mr Chairman, page 30, bundle A of course page 30, third last name - it looks like number 11, it's a misspelt name but it can only refer to this witness, and Mr Ngo said that while these 19 people were detained and interrogated, members of the security branch who were organised - could you give me a moment, Mr Chairman, I'm not sure whether this is Bloemfontein or Botshabelo, ja it is Bloemfontein Mr Chairman, members of the security branch who were organised by Colonel Coetzee and Colonel Stevenson to beat up and torture these comrades were - and your name was then included, in other words it was suggested by Mr Ngo that you in fact beat up and tortured the comrades.  	Mr Chairman it corresponds with page 181 of the evidence of Mr Ngo where it is quite clear that this is the witness that is mentioned.
	Now, did you have anything to do with the comrades who were arrested by the South African Defence Force and transferred from Lady Brand to Bloemfontein?