CHAIRPERSON
I don't understand, I don't whether you understand the input of my question.  You've already testified that the community got sick and tired of the problems that were presented to them by the Toaster Gang and then they decided to do something.  What year was that, it can't be between 1992 and 1993?  It was as a result of that that you had to go to the ANC to seek direction and that's when you were given permission to establish and become a member of the self defence unit and your evidence in that regard is that you were given such permission and directive in 1992 so your permission must have preceded the meeting of the community?