CHAIRPERSON
Perhaps there should be some enquiry made Mr Stander, because I have drawn your attention to the fact Mr Ngo names at page 35 of his application, names four of the victims.  The victim Maloshono Malakane was interviewed by, on behalf of the TRC apparently and she informed the interviewer that she had never been tortured or detained at the Botshabelo Police Station in 1986 and she knows where the other people are.  So if anybody wants to, they can enquire from her.  She's told where the other people have moved to, she has a telephone number.