SISI KHAMPEPE
I just want to ask Mr Motaung in that regard.  In your affidavit you have stated that "other persons" and I would like to assume, and I need your correction in that regard, that by "other persons" you mean people other than Mr Dlamini and those who were in and Mr Sibisi.  The "other persons" that you have referred to in this paragraph would be people other than Mr Dlamini and Mr Sibisi?  Is that not so.