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In theory maybe yes, with hindsight, but the
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way it worked in the culture, for sure not, and if the Chairman would allow me just to repeat this quote as I have done before about our way of speaking when it was explained by the notorious Craig Williamson to a presiding officer, exactly this same kind of conversation in the Security family which would have a complete different meaning in normal life.  He says, and if you will allow me:
"It is a very devious way of talking. It is something that Security people will understand"
And also:
"I think for people in the profession, people who speak deviously to each other, and who have a very intimate rapport with each other, understand intimately, understand very well what is going on in this type of conversation".
And this was Craig Williamson at my internal trial on 10 June 1985, Volume 6 page 292 and 293.  So if Brig Schoon gives the green light to - he overrules me.  He is our boss.  If we are there, I am not the boss, Brig Schoon is the boss and if Brig Schoon gives Koos Vermeulen the green light to say do as you think fit, that gives Koos the green light and he knew that Isaac Ace Moema will then be killed.