CHAIRPERSON
No, I'm not talking about after he spoke to Mr Masilela, but he also said that he was for a long time a supporter of the PAC, while he was in prison.  Because if one takes a look at his record, most of his recent past in prison, but he said he was a long time supporter of PAC, even before he met Mr Masilela.  He also said he didn't know what it stands for.