FERDINAND BARNARD
It's the strangest thing, Mr Chairperson, nobody every approached me.  Joe Verster did not approach me and Lafras Luitingh knew what I did, but the investigative team as I know over the years, got to know, it was Krappies Engelbrecht and Witkop Badenhorst, still today haven't spoken to me about this.  Nobody asked me about it.