WHITE MOHAPE
Okay, Zeva was a student, as I am saying, a student leader.  He was exposed by student, it was during 1980's and when he was exposed he had to run for his life, you know, because at that time when people could have got him at the right time when they got him he could have been dead and then he joined them, you know.  He joined them and he went to what ever schools of theirs, you know, but he joined the security branch.