MR PENZHORN
Mr Chairman, I'm sorry to interrupt.  Could I just enquire what the position will be in regard to the copies that have been produced, because as far as myself and my colleagues here are concerned we haven't got any copies of these documents and I think they are relevant, especially to myself and colleague, Mr van der Hooven.  These particular documents as part of the evidence.   It might just cause a problem if we have to get it at a later stage.