FERDINAND BARNARD
That actually happened spontaneously.  At that stage I was interested in George Mitchell's house, I wanted to buy his house.  He was a former policeman.  We talked the same language.  And I went to go and visit him at his house as usual.  We were in his bar, we started talking about firearms, then he went to go and get a nickel-plated Tokarev firearm that was licensed.  There were certain modifications done to the firearm and I was interested in that and I looked at the firearm.  Then he took out the shotgun, he showed it to me and I said well I am on my way to the South Coast to a friend of mine's farm, lend it to me and I will go and shoot some guinea fowl, because he was very proud about the weapon.  He was boasting about it.  I then did it.  But I foresaw that to see how I can shoot with this firearm from a moving vehicle.