MR VISSER
Well Mr Chairman, you may be interested in that.  That is evidence that was given on the 26th of June last year in this hall, in regard to the Mthimkhulu matter as well as the Madaka matter - various witnesses gave evidence at the time.  You are free to use that copy Mr Chairman, it's my attorney's copy but you're certainly free to use it.
	For the present purposes, as far as this particular witness is concerned there's only a very short - only one reference in all of that.