ADV TSHONGWENI
The paragraph which begins with the words "An extract from the ANC's discussion document entitled broad guidelines and organs of people's power".
The ANC submitted that it made a call to the communities to defend themselves and take initiatives, where necessary in order to defend themselves. If I may read the code therefrom, which reads:
"The forms of armed action and self-defence activity varied. The march revolutionary violence of the people, units to protect leaders of people's committees and democratic organisations.  A system of patrolling the streets and warning signals, units to harass enemy patrols, attacks on enemy encampments, alienation of agents ..."
And which is relevant to this matter, is -
"... procurement of weapons."
This was also confirmed in the latest submission where questions were put to ANC leaders as to their role and connection with the SDUs. They confirmed this position, but they admitted that in other instances things went wrong, because these structures were manned by members of the communities themselves.  They were not controlled by the headquarters of the ANC.  
	So one would appreciate that in all this conflicts of the past, one would appreciate that number one, there was a conflict of the past.  Secondly, when addressing the conflict of the past by either party, something would go wrong, as it has been accused by all the applicants. 
	In short, Mr Chairman, I wanted to highlight that in respect of applicant Nos 1 and 3, they responded to a call made by the ANC, that communities should defend themselves. As to the nitty-gritty and the rules of how one should conduct such operations, it was left to the communities.  That is why we are here today, listening to people giving their experiences of the conflict of the past.  
	In regard to applicant No 2, a question was asked to him, whether he still regards applicant 1 and 2 as enemies, and he answered no, because of the changes which took place in South Africa and he thought that the spirit of reconciliation should prevail.  
	Thank you, Mr Chairman.