MR LUBBE
Yes.  ... I would suggest that if amnesty was not to be granted for the throwing of the handgrenade or the injury, it would rather not have been granted to Mr Hlongwane, because he must have considered whether the proportionality etcetera, that you referred to, the cause and the objective to be achieved, was in proportion to each other.  And I would suggest that my client would much easier meet that kind of requirement than he should have met.