MR MEYER
Mr Chairman, there is just one instruction I need, if I can just have a minute.  Yes, just to clear up this point, Mr Chikororo, Director Ramaligela says that he was, during the time while you were being tortured or assaulted, interrogated, he was there most of the time but he did go out on occasion.  But then went back into the room where you were being held, do you agree with that?