ADV DE JAGER
Could I assist?  We've got a picture now that there was fights between the two groups, the UDF on the one side and IFP on the other side and these fights continued over a period but now we want you to tell us about the cases where you were convicted in court.  The first one was the killing of Makanja, could you now kindly tell us what happened, why you decided to kill Makanja and when this occurred?