TESTIMONY_GIVER:
  It was 1985.  I was busy on duty.  I was on duty attending to one of the patients after giving her treatment.  Suddenly I saw the curtain opening, and when I tried to see and look what was happening I saw this guy facing at me, and this guy was a white man, a boer, who said he was coming from Carolina.  I said to them, "Please get out because I am still busy with a patient in here."  They said, "No, we have already spoken to the doctor."  They said, "We are not going out."  I went to the doctor, I told the doctor that, "The police are here, telling me that they are here to fetch me," and the doctor said, "You know the whole surgery is surrounded by the police.  Better you should go with them."  I left the surgery, and the patients were there wondering as to what was happening.  When I got out I saw seven cars, Cressidas, and 11 vans.  Some were coming from Dabeka.  I was taken and I was told I should go into Allan Taylor's car, which was the third one.  At the back there were two boers, who were pointing their guns direct to me.  In the car I had already seen Ntombela, and in another one there was Myeza.  We went back to C R Swart.  I was taken by Taylor, and he took me into a small room, and the walls were in blood, red.  That's where he told me that, "This is the end of the world for you today."  I am quoting him now.  That's what he said.  "This is where I killed Ndluli, and I am going to kill you as well."  I said ... (intervention)