PITSO JOSEPH HLASA
Let me explain.  I think I gave two meetings that I recall.  There had been meetings, many.  I even mentioned that even the ministers of religion on the other side were trying to bring end to this violence.  Leadership was talking but the situation on the ground did not change.  In other words things were happening here on the ground and we would not just fold our arms and say we don't defend ourselves.  I have explained yesterday that there were many incidents which we defended ourselves successfully.  Now it was after a long time of talking, unfortunately these ones were then captured.