GRAHAM SIMPSON
Certainly.  The importance of this both to this hearing, Mr Chairperson, and in the context of the extenuation case that I was attempting to make, was that there was a very strong suspicion in a highly volatile and very politicised environment.  The report documents the history over 18 months of escalating conflict, repeated killings and I document 12 murders including those of the victim in the case.  The importance was in recognising that there was a strong suspicion, and I argued that this was a very important factor in escalating conflict in the area, there was a strong suspicion that there was collaboration by management in the factory, the IFP and the South African Police Service.
	Certainly from my reading of the situation considering the number of cases that were reported to the South African Police Service and the failure to advance any of those cases to the point of either arrest or prosecution would whilst it may not have indicated the kind of conspiracy that was suspected, would certainly have in a sense sustained those beliefs amongst the people at that time.
	What is less difficult to sustain but equally understandable was the perception of this collaboration between management and IFP.  And partly in order to demonstrate my own objectivity in the matter, I felt it important to cite this paragraph because, to cover this point, because what I did come across was the fact that there were in fact meetings between IFP leadership in the area and the management of the factory, that is may have reinforced the belief that there was this collaboration but that in fact from the correspondence between management and UWUSA, well the IFP, it seemed like they were actually fairly staunch in rejecting the IFP's demands and were fairly committed to a majority unionism approach in the factory.  Nonetheless the perception certainly of the FAWU shop stewards that I interviewed and Mr Kondile, was that there was such a collaboration.  
	What is more important though in my view is the line that I've quoted from Moosa Myeni, IFP leader in the area and that was cited in the minute of the meeting constructed by the management personnel who I think were fairly objective about it, quoting him as saying:
"He told us that as far as he is concerned this is now a political problem and not an industrial problem."
And I think that that is particularly relevant to this Committee.