MR MBAQA
That's good - you know from the past as I said to you I had been a youth leader for - for many years in - in this area.  But then obviously I had an understanding of the politics in South Africa.  So in some sense you know I had  - like many - probably many of activist of our time we had that - that suspicion of the system.
The system that looked at the police - the judiciary even the parliament and everything, obviously we had that suspicion and that little disrespect for those institutions  you know.  And when this happened, I always knew you know when these things happened for - to other people,  but when the police did this and it really happened - it was happening to me - you know  I could really feel that  well here was -  it was the first time I came close to seeing you know how the police can manipulate the system and so on.
I don't want to make comments on  - on the  Court or - or on the Judges,   I'll refrain from commenting on, that I will say after that  I was completely disillusioned with the system - you know  particularly because the person who had done this - never denied that he did this.  He never denied that - he took him away -  they refused to take him - and all sorts of things.  They pursued - they pursued a story which was not - which was not true.   You know that's - that's the way I [intervention]