MR LOWIES
To jump to another aspect it's common cause that there was an order this morning that certain documents should be handed to the ANC.  My question is the following, Mr Mapoma the evidence leader introduced to us a certain Brian Kopedi from the ANC TRC Desk and we handed the documents over to him, now just before the proceedings started and my question is did you see this person when this happened, did you see the incident when the documents were handed over to him?  Now, just shortly before he started?