CHAIRPERSON
Well Mr Ntshetha did the killing himself.  That's the evidence before us.  The order that was given to the applicant, if it can be termed an order for lack of a better word, was that he must shoot and he couldn't shoot because his firearm could not discharge any ammunition and Mr Ntshetha, the leader, did the killing himself and this is the killing for which he is now seeking amnesty.  He was convicted on the principle of common purpose.