MR CURRIN
Mr Chairman, just one or two issues that we would like to record on behalf of the 
victims.  We obviously don't know what this witness is going to say about the State Security Council and 
we don't know what General van der Merwe is going to say about the State Security Council, so we are 
really not in a position to assess the value of the evidence.  What we would say, however, is that if we were 
to take on face value the representations made by Mr du Plessis, it sounds to us as if the Captain is not 
being called in his capacity as a Captain, but rather as a person with particular expertise around the State 
Security Council and who represented the Security Police on that structure, so it seems to us that he would 
be a very important witness.
And we would therefore support the application, because our clients would certainly like to hear what he 
has to say
about the State Security Council.  
	I would also just like to comment briefly on the question of the evidence being heard in camera 
and record that our clients would be strenuously opposed to the evidence being heard in camera.  We don't 
believe that really any real motivation has been submitted to support the application if one looks at the Act, 
it says that if it would be in the interest of justice.  In our view it would be in the interests of justice for the 
public at large to 
PRETORIA HEARING	AMNESTY/