CHAIRPERSON
When Mr Hobbs arrives, would you direct him to the Committee then?   For those who are ready to argue the matter, I gather that there will be heads of argument which would be prepared and submitted within a matter of five days, okay.
	There are just a couple of matters that I want to raise in regard to each of the applicants, which the applicants would be so kind enough so as to address.  Make sure that amongst other things, they address this point.  
	Beginning with Mr Dandala, we would like to hear argument as to whether his application demonstrates a political motive in light of his statement that he took part in the shooting out of fear that if he did not take part in the shooting, the Askaris may come back and kill him.
	The question that we want to raise in that regard is whether, does that, does his evidence not suggest a personal consideration?
	In regard to Mr Tshabalala, we would like to hear argument in particular as to whether there was any political motive in light of his statement that all he did was to shoot in order to apprehend a person who was fleeing from lawful custody, that separates the question as to whether the conduct amounted to any offence.
	In regard to Mr De Kock, we would like to hear argument as to whether there was full disclosure in light of his inability to provide the Committee with the details as to how he went about changing the identity of Mr Tshabalala.
	These are some of the aspects which we would like to be addressed.  
	Is there anyone who wants to raise anything?  Okay, I noticed that Mr Hobbs is here.  Come up.  When you left here, you indicated that you were going to take instructions.