GEORGE BIZOS
Let's us examine that.  Let us examine that, Mr Derby-Lewis.  First of all, the statement on the first page
"No, not at all, Mr Venter ..."
That paragraph deals with the questions of whether there was a policy of violence, and he says for a culture of violence and he says "no".  Then it is put to him -
"Well, you may say no but there are threats of resistance and armed resistance and threatening talk.Does that not mean that the party has a policy of violence".
He says -
"No, not at all."
	You say that you accept that this is what Dr Hartzenberg said, correct?