MR DEHAL
Indeed he was correct, but he had the option when last he appeared in these Pinetown courts at a time when Alzina Luthuli was not present and his matter came to be adjourned to consider, on my advice, whether he should not withdraw this application or not.  He said to me and I can place this on record as an officer of the court, that he did not know quite what to do but he reasoned on the basis if he were to come to the Committee and say it as truthfully as it is, hopefully when he gets back to society there will be a level of reconciliation and at that level perhaps I should pause and interject with this digression.  Shortly after Alzina Luthuli testified and this Committee adjourned, I talked to the applicant and Alzina Luthuli and they both met with each other and apologised, or the applicant apologised to Alzina Luthuli, they've embraced each other, they've forgiven each other and in that spirit of reconciliation which is indeed an intrinsic element of this TRC process, that purpose has been achieved.  I can place that on record.  Okay, apart from that ...(intervention)