JAN PETRUS KRUGER
Chairperson, right from the start, initially when these things happened, Toekomsgesprek supplied an attorney to us by the name of Mr Christo Smit.  Mr Ras and I went to Mr Christo Smit and he handled our matter and right from the start Mr Christo Smit made us understand that nothing would come of this, and that is why it was not necessary to implicate unnecessary names in this whole matter.  Mr Ras and I arrived at a stage where we felt that we were intimidated by Mr Smit, because it was said to us that when we mention a name, and some of these names were eventually mentioned, that he would withdraw himself from the matter.
	I understood that this was the right of any legal representative, to withdraw or recuse himself from any matter.  And later it was mentioned to us that these matters could not continue because it was costing them money and then eventually we would have to pay them for their services.  And on occasion Mr Ras and I had an appointment with Mr Smit.  We arrived earlier than what we should have and on that occasion Mr Douw Steyn walked out of Mr Smit's office and thereafter he also told us that when names were mentioned he would remove himself from the case.