MISILE DE VILLIERS NONDZUBE
Yes, those.  What happened at the time is, I think that it was one of the things which elevated tensions because firstly these people were appointed in these positions here in Grahamstown.  Because I was here in Grahamstown, I will speak about what happened in Grahamstown.
 They were appointed to these positions, against the will of the community.  The community then came together, a lot of people here will know that they recruited the pensioners to vote for them and from there people were recruited to this new Police Force, which was the municipal police.  Most of them were uneducated.