MR COETSER
Look, the point is, for example, we had Mr Abrahamse sit here and I think his comments are very indicative of the problem that we're dealing with.  He stated that he felt or believed that Mr Olifant was not telling the truth.  Okay.  But in reality Mr Abrahamse would appear not to have attended previous hearings in which other evidence has been led, he has not been fully ...(intervention)