ADV STEENKAMP
Mr Chairperson I was actually coming to that.  My view is Mr Chairperson, to be fair to the applicants as well, that we were not able to oppose those applications at all on the pure fact that we could not submit any factual evidence to oppose that at all.  So my view is Mr Chairperson, that the evidence of the applicants as far as other incidences must go, must stand uncontested.  As you wish Mr Chair.