MR SIBANYONI
Right, finally, the applicants are saying, broadly, that during 1993 things were bad at Katlehong and more specifically at Moleleki, they are using the word conflict, they say there was conflict, and as a person who was staying there, you may also be aware of that conflict.  Now they're saying they did what they did in trying to protect the community as members of the SDU, more especially that Bulelwa was killed and their chairperson, Blanko, was killed.   Now all they were doing, according to them, were trying to protect the community.   Now that we are speaking about reconciliation, they are saying they're asking for forgiveness, because we are in a new era.   Would you still say you think they should not be given amnesty?