PIETER JOHANN VERSTER
I can assure you Chairperson, that it was done in this manner.  The covert funds of the army had to be submitted in Parliament.  There were Parliamentary committees for those instances and that had to be done in the previous year, otherwise we did not have money.  It had to work in a State structure, so in the development of a region, plans were formulated that were based on enemy actions and from those plans we say person X, Y, Z would need four cars and five persons and would go to Cape Town five times or ten times.  That is just a budget.  That budget is manipulated later between this person who will work here and another person who will work there, but that was within the region, it is authorised to that region and I would like to add that with the breaking up or disbanding of the BSB, this was done under General Geldenhuys, and on that retirement, we were edited completely.  No money had disappeared, there was nothing strange and for the then government it was a great problem to the government because the problem was that if we were audited properly on Treasury level and if everything was approved on Treasury level, that would mean that everything was indeed authorised and then money was then withdraw.