CHAIRPERSON
Mrs Bembe, thank you very much.  You were in the audience earlier when Mr Msibi gave his testimony, which was a similar case.
 And Dr Ally at the time explained the information that we had from the ANC and the submission that they made to us some three weeks ago. 
 They did also say if we should come onto any other cases that they did not point out to us, specifically, we must make it available to them and they will look into the matter and see if they can help us with further information and whether they accept accountability or liability for the incident or not.
 We will certainly have this referred to them.