MR VISSER
Just listen to me, just listen to me please, just listen.  I haven't finished, I'm allowing the interpreter to interpret to you.  I say that you know that Mr Motsamai's applying for amnesty for an attempted murder and I believe it is item 13 Mr Chairman, where he says that the riot squad was asked to shoot somebody and I'm just going to look for precisely which item it is.  If I can just find Mr Motsamai's application form.  It's bundle A and Mr Chairman, it would be - no it's not item 13, item 7 at page 147 Mr Ngo, just look at that.  Have you got that in front of you?  Yes, you do.