ADV MADASA
Mr De Ru has lodged an application before this Committee wherein he is asking for amnesty in relation to certain acts which he committed and presently serving sentence.  He told the Committee that he committed those acts with a political motive and he told the court that the victims, his victims were allegedly APLA members.  Now, I would like you to tell the Committee if you can, as to in accordance with your knowledge what was the relationship between the police, that is security forces and the farmers in the Free State concerning security issues?