MR WILLS
And just if I may take the liberty very briefly, Mr Chairperson, to refer the witness to page 4, the last paragraph on that page.  Mr Taylor, in describing the incident, says that
"At a later stage, an askari, Jimmy Mbane, informed us that he had arranged that the Khubeka woman would be brought to us at the old Railway Police shooting range near Winkelspruit."
So he was of the view that the whole operation was to bring Khubeka to the shooting range.  Do you want to comment on that?  Is he wrong, or lying, or what is the position?