TESTIMONY_GIVER:
  I also greet the commissioners, as well as the audience.  My name is Virginia Ntozethu(?) Mkwanazi. I was born at Dlangezwe.  My mother is from the Dube family.   My mother was married to Reverend Shembe.  She left Reverend Shembe and went to get married to the Mkwanazi's.  That's when she gave birth to us.   We grew up as children who had problems, to such an extent that my brother, elder brother, Riot Mkwanazi, was involved in politics and he ended up being incarcerated in Robben Island.   And we grew under those circumstances.   And I, myself, realised that all the chances and the opportunities that I was supposed to have got I didn't really get.   Then I ask myself as to why my brother had joined politics, but when I realised that I couldn't go on with my education, I realised that my brother was fighting a battle.   Then at that stage I decided to give myself in.   Then in 1963, that's when I had just had my first born, and I looked at the situation critically and I wanted to follow my brother's footsteps.  After quite some time I realised that I was deep into politics, but there was no one who knew about my involvement.   And I did not want to be disturbed, nor seen, so I wanted to engage myself in some other business so that I would conduct my political activities underground.   I started selling liquor, so that I could not be recognised as a politician.   And then in 1982, I suspected that we were suspects, because a certain man from my home was arrested.   And they did not ask me anything about this very same man who was arrested, and I told him that I knew nothing because I was just selling liquor.   But they followed the matter up.  And then in 1982 I saw many cars arriving at my place.  These were police cars as well as police dogs.   And they said I should point out the weapons.   They got into the house.  I had quite a very big house at the F Section, Mazakele.  At that time it wasn't a usual practice that a person would have such a big house and they used to call my house "Hyperama" because of its size.   I was expectant with Nkananipo, when the boers came to my house.   When they got to my house they ransacked the house, checking and searching the weapons, and I was highly expectant and that time, I didn't know what to do.   But I was very sure that there were no weapons.   They searched the whole house, they couldn't find any.   And they used to frequent my place, they would even come at night, we could not sleep, because they used to come several times.  My husband was not working at that time and we felt that we were not safe at that particular place.   And even the comrades who used to come to my place were no longer safe, because the boers used to frequent my place looking for weapons.   Then in 1984 we decided that we should sell the house and move to another place called Lindelani, where we could live peacefully, because it was a place that was quite closer to town and we were able to send the children to school and also work.   We moved to Lindelani.   Within a few days, I think it was about a week, Shabalala came to Lindelani and he had also bought a stand.   He built his house.   And some others who needed help, who came to build at that place also requested help from us.  But along the way Shabalala wanted to be the boss of that place, he wanted to take everything under his control.  We stayed for quite some time and some things were happening in Lindelani.   And we could not do anything about whatever was happening, but we used to conduct certain meetings with the UDF ... (inaudible) ...