MR MALAN
At C.R. Swart, where Mr McCarter addressed you.  You also said that you were informed at that meeting.  Now granted you're not saying who gave you the information but it reads as if it was Mr McCarter.  You were informed during that meeting that a person was found not guilty in the court case.  Now the question of Mr van Schalkwayk is, at that meeting where Mr McCarter addressed you, apart from your group, who else was present because you gave us the information about your group?