MR OOSTHUIZEN
Madame Chair, Members of the Committee, indeed so I must agree with my learned colleague Mr Wills.  My client will be severely prejudiced and if this implicated person, being Mrs Umbuasi, is not given a 19.4 notice to come and testify as she is severely implicated, I don't think there's any purpose if like Madame Chair is saying that we should only partly address the Committee at this stage.  I think one should first get all the evidence and then only after that has been heard one can meaningfully address the Committee on the specific application.