MR VISSER
Mr Chairman, yes, may I throw my voice in with -in support for the venue to be at Kimberley.  We believe it is the obvious thing to do, but may we add one further issue.  It really doesn't concern us any longer because we have battled until we got hold of all the relevant documentation, but what we find disturbing, Mr Chairman, is that the other counsel here, even the counsel for the applicant, does not have in his possession which is going to be necessary.