CHINOANE SIMON FARISANI
It means both and the two are not inseparable.  It means I've reached the destination, the worst of tortures that Mr Managa and Mr Ramaligela had promised me.  And indeed, this was late in the afternoon, they tortured me using different methods from morning to lunch time.  And after lunch time, they said 'You'll still see the worst that we can do.'  And that's when they transferred the electric wires from the earlobes, from the toes, from the thighs to my private parts.  And when that did not illicit the kind of result that wanted, as Mr Ramaligela admitted, same day, then they moved to the boiling kettle method.