MR MADASA
Sorry to interrupt you Mr de Ru.  For the sake of convenience and clarity, I would like you to begin giving evidence and refer to documents as you give your evidence.  We should start, you should start giving evidence, talk about the facts which relate to the first killing on which you were convicted on, that is Rampalile's case, I am referring to Rampalile's case.  Tell the Committee the background and all the relevant facts which relate to that
killing and continue from there.