CHAIRPERSON
Yes the question of the non-weaponry items, of course that is a difficulty and I think Mr Kincaid has correctly dealt with that, with that question but even that is understandable you know, that you have this crowd of people invading somebody's house, that's actually a miracle you know, if you have a person who is as disciplined as the last witness or the last applicant seems to be, it's very likely that somebody's going to steal a packet of Knorr soup from the pantry, you know, I mean that is not so inconceivable.  It might create difficulties for them in terms of amnesty but you know it's not totally unthinkable and if you have a large group of people the probabilities can go either way.  It does raise a question mark then, these applicants just don't see or hear when it comes to certain items but I mean if there is a crowd action can one really reject it on the probabilities and say they were lying to us?  They might be very suspicious that convenient from the amnesty perspective that those items that are not susceptible to amnesty doesn't fall within the action that they took but is it higher than a suspicion?