FERDINAND BARNARD
I resealed the envelope and I handed it over to Luitingh.  He was not very happy that I had contact with McQuillan and I told him that this man does not want to meet them because he was connected to me, I experienced it that he was more satisfied if he worked through me and I mentioned it to them.  He was also not very satisfied about it but things continued.  Then at one stage it happened that he came to me, Lafras Luitingh, and he told me that the McQuillan project had to be suspended.  I asked him why.  He told me that McQuillan, there was a leak and that the whole world knew about the 15 000 dollars that was paid over to him.