MS VAN DER WALT
May I answer?  In the first instance this applicant was the one who gave the instruction for the pipe bomb, I can say yes, the instruction and if there's any civil charges against him, he must apply for amnesty for that.
	Mr Du Plessis, the occurrences in Annexure A - you've explained them but there's one aspect I'd like to refer you to and that is paragraph 24, that is on page 112 where it is not completed.  You talked about the throwing of the pipe bombs were discussed at the meeting, that you do mention there in paragraph 24?