GIDEON JOHANNES NIEUWOUDT
The first question and answer to your first question, that is nonsense and then secondly, he said that he was instructed by Eugene de Kock on the 8th - that was his original version and that was also the version that Mr Dumisa Ntsebeza put to me and that is not correct.  So, he gave so many different versions - that's Mr Mamasela, so I don't know which one you are putting to me.