JOHAN MARTIN VAN ZYL
Mr Chairman, yes, I agreed with my representative when he put it to me like that.  It is to a great extent speculation on my part, as to what I had said at the time that had to give Mr Gold the idea that he had to bring a certain amount of explosives.  I cannot recall how I would have put it, maybe I could have said to him that there was a small package that had to be destroyed.  M cannot even say if said that, Mr Chairman, but it is possible.