ADV STEENKAMP
Mr Chairman, Honourable Members, I would like to ask permission and apologise for this delay in this matter that is standing down.  I would ask permission if possible we can deal with the matter Ntuli, it's application number 3391/96, it appears in the thick bundle marked a, b and c.  It's the application on top, Mr Chairman, Mr Brian Kopedi is appearing on that matter and also then the application of Mokepe Bennet Msimange, that's application number 7371/97, Mr Chairman.  There are certain recommendations that Mr Kopedi would like to make in this regard, I'm sure he will inform you properly what the position of those two matters is.  Thank you for your indulgence, Mr Chairman.