CHAIRPERSON
Bearing in mind that we - you are comparing - you are talking about a statement which Mr Smiles had to make for the purpose of eventually being submitted to court and to the police during the consultation.  The consultation at Mr Isaacs office was for the purpose of preparing a statement which was to be submitted to the police and to court.  You compare it with a situation on the other hand of somebody who was talking to or making a statement not for the purpose of submitting to the police.
	If you think that you are really making a strong point out of it then he can proceed but in my mind I clearly distinguish - I clearly understand why a person who is to make a statement for submission to the police, would be reticent about it.  It doesn't surprise me that the same person can have - can adopt two different attitudes under those different situations.