MR SARDIWALLA
But outside the knowledge of my client.  If he had known that, and I think he was repeatedly asked about this, he did not know that there were children also transported in a similar looking bakkie, had he known that and despite that knowledge went ahead, then we would have had serious problems, I concede, but he's never had this knowledge.  One must remember that these are people that lived in and out in hiding, not in homes, up in mountains, were there to protect themselves and attack at the appropriate time.  This was the modus operandi of both organisations.