CHAIRPERSON
I don't know, I can't understand, we know that he estimates there's about 100 people near his house, but does that necessarily mean, or are you suggesting that the ANC people all stuck together?  I mean you can get people splitting off from a group.  It doesn't mean that because a  few minutes ago he saw a hundred people at this house and a few minutes later there were 400 on the field, that they all were following in a lot.  I mean, if he saw a group of ten people at his house does it mean that there weren't 400 people on the soccer field?  I can't understand what you're trying  to get at here.  Are you trying to trip him up on credibility that he said there were about a hundred people in his statement and then later said 400 people.  If so you must just put it to him and say I put it to you there were only so many people in the group.  Because it's not going to be conclusive.  I mean we haven't got evidence that everybody around his shack was the entire group.  There might have been 300 people sitting on the soccer field the whole time.