MR VISSER
Chairperson, it's not a secret, the reason why I'm asking that appears in the August 1996 statement of the ANC to the TRC at page 98 where that name appears as a person who died in exile as number 13 under Angola.  We were just wondering whether there was some connection.  And you say the last contact with Betty Boom was either the end of November or the beginning of December 1987?