MR VISSER
Yes.  At page 37, where we deal with Rapolo's case, the Judgment of Justice van Dijkhorst, where he stated that in the case of the Indemnity Act that - well perhaps I should just read an extract to you from page 37 of our Heads, at page 686 and 687 of the Judgment by Justice van Dijkhorst
"The situation whether the acts were committed in execution of an order or with the approval of the ANC, was answered by the Committee with reference to authority, that a private soldier is protected from liability for acts done in obedience to the orders of a superior officer"
and we emphasise, 
"If the orders are not so manifestly illegal that the soldier must or ought to have known them to be so and if the soldier honestly believes that he is doing his duty in obeying them,"
then says Justice van Dijkhorst, 
"This reasoning in my respectful view misses the point.  Guideline 7 cannot be read as if it referred to lawful orders only."
And we say, Chairperson, it's exactly the same because this also dealt with the conflict of the past, only from the point of view of the ANC, but we say in the amnesty process we are dealing here with not a question of obeying lawful orders, but unlawful conduct per se.
	Chairperson, that deals, in our submission, with that aspect ...(end of tape) ... which is to be inferred from similarities in Exhibits B, C and D and Chairperson in that regard, we only wish to refer to the argument which we also previously presented and which is also in the Heads at page 61, which deals with the application and when the relevant time is when it is expected of an applicant to make his full disclosure and at page 62 to the Judgment of Justice Price in M G HOLMES vs NATIONAL TRANSPORT COMMISSION, where he makes it quite clear Chairperson that the time when the applicant moves his application in court or before the Commission, is the time when he must make a full disclosure of his evidence and Chairperson, I daresay that argument has been followed, has been accepted by the Committee and followed.
	 In fact Chairperson, one would be surprised if there weren't similarities because they're talking about the same incident and one would expect similarities.