DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER
Yes.  I didn't specifically tell Mr van Zyl, previously or prior to that, as far as I can recall, I said "you may not use Mr Ferdi Barnard".  I would like to answer the question later, if I may just refresh my memory perhaps, and - because as far as I can recall, no, it was only after Mr van Zyl's statement was disclosed, that it came to my attention that he had used Mr Barnard.