ERNEST RAMATALA
I want to come to a point, so I said that I want to explain so that you can understand.  I say that previous days we had a quarrel with Mr McCarter concerning Letsatse, so Mr McCarter used the word that I'm trying to build my own complex in the police force but it was to my surprise when he said that I was an experienced person and for that matter Mr McCarter managed to promote the whole section excluding me.  How can today he mention that I'm an experienced and then when the benefits - I don't enjoy the benefits.  I want to put it to you that Mr McCarter is trying to grab anything that he'd say, human nature is like that.