LAURENS MBATHA
I remember that portion, it was exactly when you said to me if I was in that vicinity, then I should have heard what was said there and if you can remember I had a problem because I did indicate it also yesterday - the argument pursued then was: "If you were around there, then you should have heard".  And when I came out I came back and said - with my recollection because it became very clear yesterday that with the statement I was a bit puzzled in front of you and I came back this morning and said: "I was on the other side of the room".  The reason brought forward was, Smiles should make the statement, I am not going to put words into his mouth because apparently there is a legal procedure that it interferes with, so I must stay outside.