MR SNYDERS
Commandant Douw Steyn was the Commander of the Toekomsgesprek group.  As you would see in my application, Toekomsgesprek was divided into various interest groups, amongst others, Education interest group, Defence Interest Group, and Mr Douw Steyn was the leader of the Toekomsgesprek Defence Group.  And the leader of each group had a direct channel with the leader of the party.