MR VISSER
That may be so, but that will be his evidence, Mr Chairman.  But thank you for pointing that out, yes.  That is indeed so, Mr Chairman, that is his recollection but he will give evidence and this can be put to Rosslee at the time.  I make no secret of the fact, Mr Chairman, that you will hear in this case, you will hear conflicting evidence about what finer detail did transpire and who were involved and who were present at various times.
	Mr McCarter, if I then may continue, this routine duty which you referred in Durban, seems to indicate that you came down to Durban from Vlakplaas fairly regularly or is that an incorrect inference to draw?