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bodies of two ANC activists were burnt to ashes.  	(Indistinct) worked with both men, they were the, 
basically the armed wing of the National Party.  It was from here that Death Squads hunted down and 
killed anti-apartheid activists.  Dirk Coetzee found Vlakplaas in 1980, Eugene De Kock went to Vlakplaas 
in 1983 and became Commander two years later.  Craig Williamson knew and worked with both men.
	They were the basically, the armed wing of the National Party.  They were the National Party's 
equivalent of Umkhonto weSizwe.  They were people who believed absolutely that they had a mission, that 
they had a job that only they could do, not only for themselves, but for their country, for their people, for 
their church and for their future and for their survival and for everybody else's survival.  For their people 
and their "Volk's" survival.
	The formation of Vlakplaas signalled a new phase in the Government's campaign against the 
ANC.  Craig Williamson calls it the Secret War.  Williamson is not only a former Security Policeman, but 
he was also National Party member of the President's Council.  
	None of us who were doing that job in those years were policemen in the sense of upholding law 
and order and walking the beat, we were soldiers and we were used to fight a secret war.  
	Statements by State President P.W. Botha during the 1980's left no doubt, South Africa was in a 
state of war.  "The terrorist games of SWAPO and the ANC are the primary enemy and 
must be confronted and eliminated.
		We will not talk to these people, we will fight
PRETORIA HEARING	AMNESTY/