MR VISSER
I think if I may be of assistance, Mr Chairman.  Mr Ngo was previously questioned about the Venter incident and the Papie incident, J J incident, and the White Mohapi, but on record you will not find any reference to Elia Mohapi and Jani Mohapi's motor car.  That occurred last week during his evidence in cross-examination.  So, that is why we have been looking in vain for a, for the passage in the record.  It does not exist in the record.  It will be in your notes.