TESTIMONY_GIVER:
  Well, I had a visit from the BBC, and he apparently did an interview and he said he contacted McBride.  One of the victims contacted McBride as well.  And he - there was no comment.  He promised somebody that he would see them and talk to them, and we waited for this, but nothing has come of it.  I don't think he's ever contacted one of them.  And I feel - we don't wish him any harm - I've always said this, because it's not in our values - but we just feel that his post is wrong, and that he feels no remorse.  He has no conscience about these people.  Has he ever seen any of them, what he did to them?  I don't think he's ever seen or spoken to one of them.  And this is what the problem is.  How can a man like this become who he says he is?  You've got to have some Godliness somewhere.