EUGENE ALEXANDER DE KOCK
Chairperson, the Minister of Law and Order knew very well that we were using former members of MK and APLA.
	There can be no doubt about that, and they knew that we were undertaking operations on a cross border level.  Whether it was Swaziland or the Transkei didn't make any difference, it was the same.  I think that it was Min Le Grange and he was the Minister who decorated me and other members in 1983 for a cross border operation in Swaziland, so therefore he could have said in Parliament, yes, we do have such a Unit and we do have former MK and APLA members, and we are using them for counter insurgency services, and still he didn't say anything.
	I have no doubt that he had good reason to conceal this.