URIAL ABRAHAMSE
Mr Chair look, I'm going to respond to you in two ways.  The first thing is that I don't think that this is the appropriate forum for you and I to be engaging in these issues.  I've got my own views, very strong views about the whole Truth and Reconciliation process, the way it should have gone and the way it shouldn't have gone and for me to talk about them now is going to take up the rest of the day, so I'd like to invite you one day, let's go and have a drink somewhere we can discuss those things.  Alright?  That's the one way.  The second way is, or the second response is, it is incredibly difficult to suppress your anger and to deal with your anger and to overcome those very strong emotions when you have to sit and listen to someone like Mr Olifant yesterday, out of whom, with all due respect, we literally had to drag every little bit of concrete evidence.  I mean you take it from the morning, he started, he mentioned ...(intervention)