MR DEHAL
Thank you, Mr Chairperson.  Mr Chairperson, this morning we had time, and I'm indebted to you for that time, endeavours were made by Mr McBride to meet, I think with Ms Welgemoed.  Mr Richard has been talking with them with a view to facilitating that.  I don't think that has happened as yet.  Perhaps we can take it up later.  We thought it prudent to begin first.