ADV TEE
As the Committee pleases.  In that regard I would submit that the evidence that was found proved in the Magistrate's Court of the fact that one of the grenades exploded inside the bedroom and one of the grenades exploded outside of the house is clearly consistent with the version that was bought before this Committee by the Nkunas.  What is also, I would submit, very important in this regard is to accept that their is an inherent improbability that Joe Nkuna himself would have been part of the mission and the inherent probability relates to a structural aspect of MK, the fact that commanders generally did not go on raids.  They were the ones who organised them in the background and then the physical probability that as a result of his injury he would not be participant to a raid by virtue of the fact that he would not be able to get away particularly because we know that that raid was carried out on foot and that there was no vehicle to assist them in the getaway.  The probabilities that he himself were present are staggeringly low and I would submit that his evidence that he was not present and that he had organised it is what should be accepted by this Committee.
	Now, when it comes to the disclosure relating to how he got the orders, again I would submit that there is nothing to gainsay that he had the order as a general order from Mr Hani and then as a specific which he thought had been carried through from military intelligence by two people, but in fact it could well have been only one and that is Solly himself.  The problem that both Skosana and the Nkunas' have is that both Solly Morape and Mr Chris Hani are dead, but the fact that they are dead, does that mean that we have to reject their application for amnesty because there is nothing to corroborate it when indeed if one looks at the whole sequence of events everything else is corroborated and what is even more important is that there is no hard evidence before this Commission to set up anything in substance that goes against Joe Nkuna's version.  There is no hard evidence.  There has been more than ample opportunity for any of the victims to come in.  There has been more than ample opportunity for any of the parties to lead conflicting evidence, but there is not the type of evidence which says we know as a fact that Joe Nkuna could not have got the order from Chris Hani, because Chris Hani, for example, was out of the country at the time.