ADV DU PLESSIS
Yes there's one further matter Mr Chairman, that is the incident which you find on page 129.  Mr Chairman this is also an incident for which Captain Hechter has applied for amnesty.  I've pointed this out to my learned friend Mr Mpshe, it was never included on the list of incidents but I would request the Committee that I be afforded the opportunity to also call Captain Hechter on this specific incident because they were both involved.