MR WESSELS
With respect Mr Chairman, I think that illustrates my argument very well.  If the test was that he has to be an honest witness who made a frank disclosure, as the test is in the Criminal Procedure Act, then once it is found that he doesn't comply with that test, then he shouldn't get amnesty for anything, because he's not a frank and honest witness.  Whilst, if the test is applied as I submit it should be applied, that he must make full disclosure of a particular act, then you can grant him amnesty for the acts where he's made full disclosure and refuse him on those that he hasn't made full disclosure.  And I think one must look at the Act and if you test it in this fashion, then you'll see that that is what the legislature had in mind.  Mr Chairman, I deal further in the paragraph with the argument that we've just deal with, I won't read further my Heads.
	Paragraph 22, I deal with the Criminal Procedure Act and the words "frankness" and "honesty" that are used there.
	Then I submit that the applicant qualifies for amnesty under Section 20(2)(b), alternatively, Section 20(2)(f).  Now Section 20(2)(b) reads as follows, Mr Chairman:
"Any employee of the State or any former State or any members of the Security Forces of the State, or any former State in the course and scope of his or her duties and within the scope of his or her express or implied authority, directed against a publicly known political organisation or liberation movement engaged in the political struggle against the State or a former State or against members or supporters of such organisation or movement and which is committed bona fide with the object of countering or otherwise resisting the said struggle"
and then (f)
"Any person referred to in paragraph (b), (c) and (d), who on reasonable grounds, believed that he or she was acting in the course and scope of his or her duties and within the scope of his or her express or implied authority, qualify."
	Now this becomes relevant in regard to the dispute between Verster and Webb on the Omar and Evans incidents.  Mr Chairman, it should be mentioned or submitted that the dispute between Verster and Webb, in regard to whether Webb had given authority for a plan to eliminate Messrs Omar and Evans, is of no real consequence.
	Gen Webb did not apply for amnesty.  What his position will be in the future is of no concern of this Committee.