NICLO PEDRO
Most of them were the names that you've referred to, Nel, Nortje, Benzien, Captain Liebenberg and there were also others whose names I didn't know who just popped in and out just to come and have a look at me.  And they said: "Oh, so you're Jerome, we thought that you're a big man now we see you're a short small man".
	But when the interrogation started Benzien and Nortje were present, they were the only other people in the room with me.  When they started interrogating me the intimidation had already taken effect, this intimidation of me had already started when I was in this room and the security policemen came in and out to have a good look at me.
	When they were alone with me they took off all my clothes and there was a mesh wire in front of the window and they tied me up against this mesh wire,  that meant that I could barely stand and they started questioning me regarding several aspects.  That is where I met Benzien for the first time.