EUGENE ALEXANDER DE KOCK
It will be difficult to say, because the orders were mostly given on a one-to-one basis to ensure greater secrecy, but he could perhaps have made decisions on his own, and that could be an operational decision on the ground, but it would take place within the context of the hierarchy of rank within the security police, and within that context he would certainly have had to enquire whether Mr Gilbert had cleared the matter and been given authority.  Because your divisional head office was subordinate to head office and in my view and I think I am correct in this, that Gilbert couldn't phone Van Rensburg and say look, come and kill people, without it having been cleared with higher authority and the natural reaction to that would have been from the side of Genl Van Rensburg, in any event, to ensure that this was not a private enterprise.