MR VISSER
Yes it's a medium sized, it's a smallish medium sized motorcar.  I want to put to you, and I do that for the reason that anyone can then check it if they disagree, that the top of the roof of a Nissan motorcar is 1,35 metres, given a millimetre or two either side - I'm not going to argue about that, but roughly 1,35 millimetres(sic).  Would you - well I wouldn't ask you to agree with it or not, I'm just placing it on record.  And I'm putting to you that if you took the measurement of a person's head, it would come to approximately 20/30 centimetres, which would bring us to around 1,6 metres.  Was that how tall Ntombi Kubheka was?