MR BOTHA
Mr Chairman, I don't know. I wasn't a party to decisions taken by the management of the Orde Boerevolk, I can't give you the date and where the decision had been taken.   I can only tell when the decision was conveyed to me and that was at the time when I swore the oath.  That was when the decision was conveyed to me but when and where it was taken, I can't tell you.