MR PHOSA
No, no, I don't understand - as I understand, the police in the security branch, firstly in the Eastern Cape and right through the country were trusted, they trusted one another.  I've now even left out the political {intervention] - I'm so sorry, so sorry, I've now even omitted the other - the politicians, I'm dealing strictly within the police force and I'm saying - I'm assuming from what you said that the police trusted one another - the security police and therefore I'm trying to find out whether he sees it differently.
	He could not have trusted other security policemen because the assumption is that security policemen would all have no difficulty about the eliminating.  So the example you raised with me Mr Commissioner, is inappropriate in that you are talking about people I don't know, whose thinking but according to him security police were thought it was appropriate to kill people like him.