CHAIRPERSON
Is that how you expressed yourself to General 
Van Rensburg as well, because - I am asking this because at the end 
of General Van Rensburg, it was unclear to me as it had been from 
your evidence until my colleague to my left asked you, it had not 
been clear to me whether in fact these people had already been 
recruited or were in the process of being recruited by the ANC.  
How did you express yourself to General Van Rensburg?