JUDGE WILSON
I am not interested in chambers, I am interested in what happened at this hearing.  We were told at the commencement of the hearing that the application was for amnesty in respect of culpable homicide on the 15th of June 1990, murder on the second of January 1991 on the farm Beltren and defeating the ends of justice, were we not?  We were told that, yes, when he started giving his evidence, were we not Mr Mpshe?