MR VISSER
Yes, Mr Motsamai.  The only point, really, is this.  During that civil case it was common cause, that means there was no dispute, between the plaintiffs and the defendants that Constable Ramolefe shot Matthew.  That is at page three of the judgement, Mr Chairman.  That, those documents were handed to me by Mr Brink, kindly, and they are in a bundle which is available to the Committee.
	Would this be a convenient time?