MR MAKHAWULA
Yes, that happened a lot sir because in this issue of Matthew Goniwe and the school, when he was dismissed from school, when he was transferred from school, we went there a lot because this issue was under my control.
 So I was the one who was responsible for ensuring that he was not transferred.  We went to Regional Director who was Mabel at that time, but we didn't get anything from him. CRADOCK HEARING TRC/EASTERN CAPE
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