MR WESSELS
Mr Chairman, it's a very slippery effect, this proportionality principle and it's easy in theory, but to apply it in practice can become very difficult.  And it is my submission that it shouldn't really be applied in those sort of circumstances.  But it's very relative, and where does one draw the line if the intention is to go in and move and shoot down a lot of civilian women and children?  It's one of end of it ...(intervention)