PROF DE KOKER
If I may follow on that question.  If Mr Smiles, then, had experience why did he testify under oath that he had no experience and I could, perhaps, also refer the Committee to page 41, about the tenth line from the top regarding Mr Smiles and the injury that was caused.
"I would not have done it if I had more experience, because I should have known that I was risking my life, but what about the other people."