MR BRINK
Mr Chairman I'm not sure, with respect, this line of cross examination is getting anywhere.  It's common cause there were assaulted, it's common cause there were very seriously assaults.  Common cause that pliers were used to the man's testicles now to say that he's exaggerating a seriousness of assaults is really time consuming and not helping this committee with great respect.  He must stick to the point.  Whether this man is lying about torture, he can't be because it's common cause, whether he's lying about have survived a murder, he can't be.  Let's move on please.