MR KAHANOVITZ
Mr van Zyl, before you, your evidence was that when you make these presentations, you would ascertain from the person "what do you want to be paid to kill Gavin Evans, what do you want to be paid to kill Dullah Omar", I assume you would have to go to Gakkie beforehand and say "Mr Hardien, what do you want, how much must I pay you to go and place this limpet mine"?