CHAIRPERSON
Thank you, Ms Patel.  Yes that is very much in line with what is before us in any case.  It appears that that has been a consistent attitude on their part.
	Ms Dladla and Mr Dladla, we have noted that you are present and we have listened to what Ms Patel has told us.  We've made a note of that.  We were busy hearing the application of the applicant.  He hadn't started giving evidence yet when you arrived.  We will now carry on, or proceed to listen to his evidence.  But we have noted your presence.
	Yes Ms de Klerk, I think you can proceed.