MR CLAASSEN
That is correct Mr Chairman.  A fellow convict who offered his services in assisting people and apparently filling out these application forms.  Mr Chair if I might just, on page 24 of the bundle, I'd say about half of the last paragraph, B, this is a translation that I believe was done by the TRC of the Zulu application submitted by the applicant.  It is, he says
		"...I do not know English or Afrikaans that is why I 		am writing in Zulu."
Explaining the reason for the second one in Zulu.  Mr Chairman I took this matter up with the applicant and it is quite obvious that the contents of these two applications are vastly different, in that the first one is, to a great extent, a denial of any involvement, whereas in the second application he clearly states his, his involvement.  Mr Chair if I may offer an explanation for this, it's also instructions from my client that it came to his attention in the time after the first appliation he was assisted by this man, this fellow inmate of his, he said that he was initially of the impression because he was communicating in Zulu and he said that the man that he was talking with in Zulu and English, was alternating between English and Afrikaans, he said there was, appeared to be a gross miscommunication between them.  He indicated to him that he did in fact sign it.  It is his signature, it is a sworn affidavit, but he said it was, it became apparent to him that there had been a problem with the communication between them and Mr Chair if I understand my client correctly he indicated that I believe someone within the prison authorities alerted, brought it to his attention that there might be a problem with his application relating to the first affidavit submitted, and on the basis of that he decided himself then to write a second application.
	Mr Chair if I might just get back to the fact that I believe at this stage it appears quite clearly that the two of these applications were received together by the Amnesty Committee, or by the TRC. ...(intervention)