MR SHANE
May I reply Mr Chairman?  It's quite clearly relevant, and I enquired from Sally Sealy about obtaining this when I first took instructions.  I was informed that they tried to obtain these.  There are no dockets.  I was told there are no records, nothing, so if my, Mr Steenkamp thinks he can get it, I think he's being very optimistic by saying he's going to get it today.  With respect sir.