JUDGE MGOEPE
Mr Mpshe, I don't think that is what heis saying in his affidavit.   He is comparing the organisations,not at the level of their formation, but the fact of their activities. Like the "witdoeke" they sought terror.  He is notsaying that like the "witdoeke" they were formed bythe police.   He is not comparing these movements
or organisations at the formation level, but he is comparing theeffect they had on the community.