MR CURRIN
I would like to rephrase my question.  When the line of events which ended in the death of Glad Mokgatle commenced, there was no intention to kill him.  We understand that.  You sought the keys, you did not get them.  He was then taken hostage.  Even at that stage there was no intention to kill him.  At some stage something went wrong, and as I said there was anger, there was frustration.  There were all the factors which we have heard about today, that you were experiencing within you as a person.  When things went wrong and he was physically attacked and you participated in that attack, can you recall what you were thinking, as to why you were actually doing this?