MR VAN DER HEEVER
And I also want to refer you to paragraph 28 of your co-applicant's statement to the police on page 78 Mr Chairperson.
"When we arrived at the shop"
that's the shop at Roedtan,
"we found that it was closed"
and that's - your co-applicant then said to the police:
"I then said that we will try and rob a cafe in Roedtan"
What do you say to that?  According to your co-applicant you went to the restaurant in Roedtan, not to - for political purposes, but to rob the restaurant or the cafe, the shop.