MR VISSER
Yes, Mr Coetzee.  The references Mr Chairman, Mauritius: page 29 of Volume 3.  In the London evidence: also Volume 3 page 86 to 87.  The same Volume, page 95 to 96.  Page 100.  In the application Mr Chairman: page 93 of Volume 2 - 93 of Volume 2, 94 of Volume 2, 99 of Volume 2, 103 of Volume 2.
	And may I interject by saying that up to this stage, nothing is mentioned about any assault and you will be able to check that from those references.  Thereafter Mr Chairman for the first time, in evidence before you, at page 111 Volume 3 says:
"He was illegally detained"
	And then really at page 134 - 111 if Volume 3 - no, is it Volume 3, it must be Volume 2.  Anyway I may be making a mistake with my note on Volume 3, suddenly when you ask Justice Pillay it just - I'm just wondering whether it shouldn't be Volume 2 - if you'll just make a question mark.  
	And then 134 - I also have Volume 3 here, where he speaks of seriously assaulted.  If it's Volume 3 then obviously Mr Chairman I was incorrect in saying that it was in evidence before the Committee.
	Then Mr Erasmus denies that you ever gave him money Mr - well, money from a stolen car Mr Coetzee.