MR VISSER
That's a promise, Chairperson, I want to go home.  Chairperson, the whole issue of the attacks and the targets, there are two issues that one must recall.  One is that the evidence of Loots and the evidence of Pretorius, supported by the other applicants, was that it was facilities, as far as they were concerned, were the targets.  That's the first thing.  The second thing, with people in them, obviously, but it was the facilities that were the main targets and they mentioned them to you.  The second thing Chairperson is that Steyn and Loots made it quite clear that what they brought or took forward was a summary of about five years of intelligence.  They made no decisions.  What they did is they brought the most prominent facilities and/or persons forward for somebody else to make the decision.  So, my Learned Friends whole argument as to what the purpose or intention of the raid was, really does not affect the applicant before you here, for the simple reason that they were neither part of making any decisions, nor were they part, apart from Mr Olifant, of participating in the raid.
	Chairperson the argument of my Learned Friend that this attack was to intensify the conflict, is based on pure speculation, there is nothing before you to support that, with great respect, but what we know ...(intervention)