MR STEWART
Mine aren't numbered.  That's right.  Now that's it's reflected as evidence in chief volume 1, page 34 to 37, that's in fact volume 4.  In any event it's at the Hammarsdale hearings, the Hammarsdale volume, whereas volume 1 was Durban and Richards Bay.  So it's just that small thing.
	And then the final thing unless there're any questions that the Members of the Committee have, and that's in relation to the question raised by the Honourable Chairperson in relation to the denials placed on record by the implicated persons.  Clearly those denials were placed there for the purpose of protecting those persons rights and Mr Hewitt in cross-examination employed various other tactics in order to try and protect their rights, putting certain things on record and so on.  But in my submission they can't go so far as to weigh, really to have any weight in weighing whether amnesty should be granted or not.  They, I mean they're not so far as putting a version even.