MR VAN DEN BERG
Can I interrupt you there, I'm sorry.  I'm not sure that you're working from the same document that I have.  There's a paragraph 11 in that document, that's the paragraph which reads "The intention was" - would you carry on from there Mr Dumakude?
MR DUMAKUDE
"The intention of this operation was to use the spectators to spread the message of the struggle.  It was not our intention to kill civilians.  I did however foresee that civilians could be killed.  The operation was conducted in terms of normal operation, modus operation of the Special Operations Unit.  Reconnaissance was carried out, the area was reconnoitred days before Friday and on Friday before the attack, which was on Saturday, we ensured that the situation was as reconnoitred.  The material used in the attack was contained in a DLB.  I obtained the material from the DLB."