PITSO JOSEPH HLASA
I dispute that.  I do not know whether the committee would like me to expand on this?  Yesterday I did explain that I trained in Libya for 11 months and I went up until I was a general.  I trained more than 200 people, I know a reaction of a firearm, if I shoot you with a firearm, whether you are wearing a bullet proof or not, you will react and if a person had been shot without a bullet proof on he would not have heard that.