JOHN WILLS
Yes, I understand that, if I can just butt in here.  I understand that that your first step is to secure the informer, but I also cannot believe, with respect, Mr Botha, that experienced persons like you would not have been able to do that and have planned to do that and at the same time make sure that Shabalala did not get a hint of the fact that Ndaba was an informer.  In other words you had four people there.  It would have been quite easy for, not only you to ram a pistol in the stomach of Shabalala, it would have been quite easy for Wasserman to do the same for Ndaba.  What was to stop you doing that?