ADV SIGODI
Where is this cross-examination going to take us insofar as how many people from Natal were there, how many from Gauteng were there?  I mean if you are trying to say, I mean that there were many people and what the applicant is saying did not happen that the Chief Minister did not say what he's saying he said, why don't you simply put it to him that this never happened and then get onto the other aspects?