DR MAGWAZA
19B/15 about the family matters - about how terrible the situation was without him.  We were sitting there, discussing the family matters and I was told to go back.  This continued.  They said, "You can come to visit him".  I went to visit him in December and I was told the case would be in January.  They said, "You should come again on the day of the hearing".  It was now the 28th February.  Every day I would be at the offices.  I wouldn't even afford to be in court every time.  I was running out of money.  They said to me he would be transferred to Pretoria.  There were two of them.  He wasn't alone in this case.  They said we should come and see them.  We went to see him the next morning at 7 o'clock, but they only arrived at 1 o'clock to see us.  We went back to KwaMashu.  We had to go to St Andrew to get permission to visit him in Pretoria.  They did give us the permission, but they said I should be accompanied by another person.  Every time they'd give us the tickets to get into the bus.  He was at maximum prison.  Until 1986, that they were going to hang him in 1987.  That was the last time I saw him - I saw Lucky.  I'm staying very painful.  We used to run away.  I used to take my property to hide somewhere and eventually I had to leave this house and I went to stay with the relatives, because I was staying alone in this house when Lucky left me.  We didn't go to the graveyard where he was buried.  As Mama has already said they wouldn't let us go.  Those people who were with told us that we will not see him - that we will never see them. The police said they were going to bury them.  We asked them even if we couldn't see him in his coffin.  We stayed at the hospital at Mamelodi.  We used to go to Mamelodi