MR STRYDOM
Chairperson, but as I see it, the reason why this witness is called is to make, to say that very shortly after these people were chased away, the attack started.  So the reason why this witness obviously was called is to make that nexus and that's the basis why I want to track this witness on, specifically time, as to establish when in relation to the attack, this incident took place.  And I would submit that is relevant.