MR VISSER
The plan was a good plan or it was well worked out, well conceived.  The fact is that they all told you that the plan was to arrest them.  Certainly you can criticise the way they went about the plan, but of course Steyn told you and Botha told you that it wasn't their operation, it was van Sittert's operation.  And van Sittert was the commander of Breytenbach and Breytenbach's task force was the Task force that had to execute the plan.  They were the ones that had to arrest them, they were better equipped, they were better trained for that kind of thing.  That was the evidence ...(intervention)