MR VISSER
And also the name and telephone number of a person, contact person, in Swaziland.  Can you deny it?  That was something that was used by Mr Ndaba, or could be used by Mr Ndaba or could be used by him while he was still in Swaziland.  He was aware of a name and a telephone number of a contact person in Swaziland, can you deny that?