MR JANSEN
Mr Chairman, as far as the matters of this applicant is concerned, there is only matter No 4 left, which is the burning of the trucks at Rhodes and the theft of an Audi vehicle in Uitenhage.  In both these incidents nobody was injured, so they do not constitute human rights violations, with respect.
	Although in the further particulars that you requested from this applicant, you only requested such further particulars relating to the theft of the Audi vehicle in Port Elizabeth.  More particularly the reason therefor was that he referred to a certain part - I am sorry, Mr Chairman, I am wrong there.  It was in the burning of the vehicles that he refers to the affidavit of Mr Dirk Coetzee and does not give the details himself.  I don't know whether you wish me to lead evidence on these two issues or to carry on with the final matter in which this applicant seeks amnesty and that is the matter of Jabu Njowase and the wife (indistinct).