CHAIRPERSON
Well, you were asked, well you were told that Mr Gilbert is not here any more, he has since passed away and we don't know from whom he would have cleared the authority, or obtained the authority to come and approach you in Pretoria  and so on and so forth, we don't know that.  We know though that you yourself had for some time worked in Port Elizabeth area, you knew the structures and we also know that you are in Pretoria at the time when the instructions were given in respect of this particular operation, now the question flowing from there is, given your knowledge of the situation, who do you expect would have authorised Gilbert to proceed with this operation or who do you think would have given him the authority to proceed with this operation?  Or who do you think Gilbert would have first discussed it with before he came to you?