CHAIRPERSON
But Mr Botha, we've gone through this I don't know how many times.  His evidence is there.  I don't think the matter can be taken any further.  He could see people moving inside the Koyoco, but what he is certain about is that the people who were in front were white, he noticed them.  He didn't see what the colour was.  We know from his evidence that at a later stage a Koyoco came back to the township, it had a white and a black, that we know.