CHAIRPERSON
Is this getting us anywhere, Mr Van Der Berg, whether he verified it.  Because he said that he went to, in his evidence in chief he said he went to sleep and then the next morning he went to work without his uniform on because he wasn't sure what the situation was.  If he verified, I mean if you are told at ten at night, I mean he would have said if he went to verify it I am sure.  But does it make any difference whether he did or didn't?