FERDINAND BARNARD
No I did not.  I assisted them.  It was when they were down-scaling and we had to focus on crime I took out a printing press with false notes, I took out hijacked goods, robbers, some of them were MK, some of them were not, but when they started operating on the crime level I liaised with them very closely.  We established arms caches in which the arms which were there were provided to me by Eugene de Kock.  He can confirm this.  I liaised with him quite closely and co-operated with him very closely on this basis.