MR VAN DER MERWE
Chairperson  I'm indebted to you.  The applicant has interwoven the two. He has the one aspect relating to gangs and then the fact that they were officials of the community.  I don't intend staying on these points for long, it's just to try and bring these two aspects together.
	Mr Menera, you have testified that the Bloemfontein branch visited Mr Phelane in order to try to convince him to stop from being part of the council of Brandfort.  Is that correct?