MR V MAZIBUKO
May I just make this clear that this process of reconciliation is what really causes us to be free to come together to be able to be a rainbow nation.  Now, that was all about freedom.  These are the results of fighting for freedom and today we are all the same, we are all equal, but the question I want to bring forth to the Commission is that somehow this may come to forgiving and forgetting.  To be honest with the Commission is that what happened to us is  hard to forgive, it is hard to forget also.  For instance, as we sitting before this Commission there are some members of us who are not here and, all of us, we are maimed in some way and we can also point out that each and every one of us has a stigma attached.  For instance, people always act, refer to us as Valley, the who without a hand and Sipho, the one who has got missing fingers.  This leaves a picture that is always painted and that will never ever disappear.  It becomes very difficult for us.
 Maybe Mamasela represented certain forces that could not be shaken or removed, but I want to point it out that Mamasela made a mistake, you see.  The masses of the people like J Bona, if probably organised they can trample on to anything, that was the mistake that he made, but honestly speaking, forgiving and forgetting is very hard for us.