ADV JANSEN
Thank you Mr Chairman, I do have some questions.  Mr Lotz, on page 4 of your application, paginated page 82, I read.  On my arrival at the pre-arranged place I saw Captain Nieuwoudt and two other people whom I know now as Marthinus Ras and Lionel Snyman.
	Is that your evidence that you didn't know Mr Ras at that stage?