MR VISSER
Yes Mr Ngo, you knew that very well - I put it to you.  And that's the reason why you've come out with the story which you've just done.  And let me put to you that you've got your characters mixed up because you are saying that this relates to Mr Matthews Mzuzwana whilst it seems that Mr Motsamai disagrees with you.  He relates this to the other brother that has identified himself here today, isn't that true?