MR POTGIETER
Mr Erasmus, even in spite of his own testimony?   If we were to apply these subjective tests that you refer to, what weight should we attach to his own testimony, that what he was doing had nothing to do with a political objective?   He wasn't part of the interrogation team.   He was an occupant of an adjoining office, and he heard some noises, and he arrived on the scene and immediately acted to defend or protect one of his colleagues.   And he says it had nothing to do with the political objective.