CHAIRPERSON
Ms Patel, it would be very difficult.  An organisation would be hard put to come and argue that they send a group of young people into the night armed with firearms and ammunition to come back and say "no, look, you know, are policy was that they shouldn't have used these firearms, they shouldn't have used violence".  What do you expect?  You have this group of people going off in the middle of the night armed, they go to confront farmers who are also armed and who clearly, I mean on all accounts, won't just sit back and allow people to walk into the houses and tell them what to do, I mean you're obviously creating a situation of conflict and as tragic as it is and as difficult as it is to accept that you know, this sort of thing has happened in our country, that is just the reality, you had these people going to confront you know, these old people and what do you expect, I mean an organisation is going to have great difficulty to turn around now and say the sanctimonious at this stage and say no, they exceeded the mandate and we told them no violence, yet we give them the means to kill people.  I mean really, how realistic is that?