CHAIRPERSON
... recall what was the context of, but the witnesses were cross-examined at length about the statements that were made and in particular the interview which you are supposed to have had with them, okay, in Pretoria.  As I understand it's an issue which at this stage it's difficult to say which way, what it would affect.  It may well be that it's a matter of credibility, and the issue is whether the witnesses did testify in court or whether they were willing to testify.  I have no idea what counsel will arguing at the end.  It's difficult to say, to rule at this stage whether it's relevant or not relevant.