MR HOCKEY
Members of the Kewtown Youth Movement gangsters, now some of them are here today - I just want to while some of the Kewtown Youth Movement and of the Cape Youth Congress of which they were affiliated, they're sitting here, if I can just ask them to stand up?  These were all members, Mr Verster, of the Kewtown Youth Movement and in fact of the Cape Youth Congress.  Do they appear to you as gangsters?