MR BERGER
Mr Malan you know we've got to look, if you ask what was the evidence, where is the evidence from the applicant that, we've had a lot of allegations, where is the evidence that any one of the people who died was in any way involved in MK activities?  There is no evidence, there's not a piece of paper, there's not a shred of evidence that any one of them was involved.  If one looks at page 65 of bundle 1, you'll recall there's a list of people who were being observed.  There's MK Calvin, who by the way is Riaz Saloojee, who was the person that Muff Anderson was talking about who she was living with, there's MK Rickets, there's Tim Williams, there's Billy Masetla, Christian Pepane, Roger Nkadimeng, Jackie, Sipho Dlamini, Lambert Maloyi, that's ...(indistinct) Misi, Ben Zokwe.  I ask the Committee to ask itself why is it that not one of these people was killed, not one of them was hit.  Why is it that the MK people, Muff Anderson, Riaz Saloojee, why were they not hit?  Why is it that all the people that were hit are an old man who used to drive supplies, there's a suggestion that maybe when he wasn't with his other wife, he was launching rockets maybe.  There's an artist, there's a student.  We've heard the evidence from Uriel Abrahamse and from Muff Anderson about what Michael Hamlyn did.  He was a student.  Yes he said:  "I'm joining the ANC", but he wasn't involved in political or military structures.  What about Cecil, George and Lindi Pahle?  The evidence from Ms Mbethe is that they were socialites, he was a businessman, she was involved in the Botswana Government.  Joseph Malaza happened to pick the wrong weekend.