CHAIRPERSON
Yes but equally well it may be only right that Mr Van den Berg should be entitled to question on that precise matter, so I agree with you that it probably would be desirable that they should also be available on Friday, that that specific matter, we're not going to have a re-opening of all the evidence, but to deal with that they - my recollection is they both gave identical evidence on this point or, when I say identical, very similar and that they could deal with very briefly and Mr Van den Berg could then have an opportunity of putting ... (inaudible) does appear at the present time to be a completely conflicting version.