CHAIRPERSON
I appreciate in chief, you obviously are limited in taking your notes, perhaps some of the other colleagues of yours could help me with it.  Any case, because it is important.  If he only heard that there was some talk that these people are going to get killed, then of course he's not party to the conspiracy.  He can only rely on a conspiracy if he was at the meeting where that decision was taken.  He said he knew they were going to get killed sometime, but he just didn't know when exactly because he surmised that these people didn't trust him because he had some link to Sibiya and they thought he might not be appropriate to execute, although your other client says no, well he wasn't trained in the use of big arms, that's why they never asked him to come along.