CHAIRPERSON
Let us stop just there.   Is it your duty in appearing for such victims or next of kin, to come here to prove that certain things aren't being done?  Isn't that our job?
	Let us look at Section 4(b).  It reads and in my view crisply defines the position of victims or their next of kin, and I might add this is only one of the examples in this whole Act.  One of the functions of the Commission which includes the Amnesty Committee for this purposes, and I am going to read it slowly, is to facilitate and initiate or coordinate the gathering of information and the receiving of evidence from any person including persons claiming to be victims of such violations or the representatives of such victims which establish the identity of victims of such violations, their fate or present whereabouts and the nature and extent of the harm suffered by such victims.
	Perhaps it would be well to read Section (c) as well so that we are able all to by comparison and equating to understand this different interest.  Section 4(c) reads as follows:  That one of the functions of the Commission is to facilitate and promote the granting, promote the granting of amnesty in respect of acts associated with political objectives by receiving from persons desiring to make full disclosure, of all the relevant facts relating to such acts, applications for the granting of amnesty in respect of such acts and transmitting such applications to the Committee on Amnesty for its decision and by publishing decisions granting amnesty in the Gazette.
	Now Mr Hattingh, that in a nutshell is basically what the two interest parties are and from where they derive their rights.  If one has respect and understand the Act, then one ought to see where the rights of victims are placed.  It is not the first time I mention this and I mention specifically so that each and everyone understands the law.
	I say that one can criticise the law like you want to, the fact of the matter is I have to follow it.  I say so not to make excuses, I am pointing out my duty and that of the Committee.
	Now, I appreciate your position in making the submission, but really I hope that you can explain on a more informal manner the status of different people.  This is a process that is not a criminal matter, it is not an appeal.  The purpose of this enquiry is quite different to the results of a civil or criminal matter.
	You can carry on.