MR VISSER
Mr Chairman yes, clearly my reading of the English language differs from my learned friend's, but if my learned friend tells you that the application before you does not concern any acts committed by Mr Ismail, which he had forgotten about, then we can step on to the next question.  Because I am going to argue at the end of the day that if that is part of his application it is not permissible in terms of the requirements of the Act.