CHAIRPERSON
Sorry, just before you proceed, on the question of onus in a matter like this, it really relates to who starts and who gets the right to replying, but as you have seen, we are not dealing with this argument as if we were in a court of law, people are making submissions and then there is a reply and then more submissions, etc.   Basically what we have defined here is on the interpretation of the Act, etc, whether these Exhibit C should be made available at this hearing, it is hardly a situation where we are going to arrive at a conclusion and say well the onus was on X, and X hasn't shifted the onus, therefore we are not finding for him.  It is not that sort of situation, so the onus is basically, relates to who starts and very little else.  It does not have much significance, really.