MR KNOETZE
Precisely Mr Chairman.
	Mr Chairman in conclusion then I would submit to you that the evidence before you in this amnesty application is such that you ought to be satisfied that the application complies with the requirements of the Act and that the act and commission of the offence to which the application relates is an act associated with a political objective committed in the course of the conflicts of the past and that the applicant has made full disclosure of all the relevant facts.
	Now we have already addressed you Mr Chairman as to whether it is necessary to refer to specific delicts or offences.  I repeat, with respect, that it is not necessary but you will recall that we have handed in Exhibit E and that those are the acts and omissions or of possible offences that we could identify but we would not like to bound to it Mr Chairman.  I would prefer your order to refer to the broad actions flowing from Plan Katzen as we have stated it in our application, and of course I don't want to prescribe, but if you want to couple it to "E", please do so by not limit ...(intervention)