MR SAMUEL
Let's go to the torture of, because I have a few questions just on that one, the torture of Mr Jikila.  You stated that the only method that you used was the tubing and that is on the fifth floor where you were and you said you do not know about the other floors, what type of torture they used.  Are you then saying that the torture did not only take place on that floor, it took place throughout the whole building, from you know - at different angles?