MR VAN DER BERG
Thank you Chairperson.
	Mr Menyatsoe, if we look at A2, the next photograph, it's basically the same situation.  You will see the journalists are all there busy conducting interviews with these people but you said you never saw what happened there.  
	You will also see that Mr Wolfaardt, that's the one who is lying on the left part of the photograph, his head is raised a bit and he's lying on his stomach.  You'd see that his hands are in front of him, you'd see that his left hand is type on top of his right hand.  It's quite evident, you can see it on the photograph.  	And then if we look at the next photograph, A3, ...[intervention]