CORNELIUS ADOLF JANSE ODENDAL
That is correct Madam Chair.  I want to tell you why.  Because you must take this thing as from 1985, not only '86, you should see it in context.  These fights started in January 1986 when the older people went up Lansdowne Road, the passed KTC and the old people were attacked.  They were necklaced, their houses were torched and the old people resisted, they rose up against the Comrades and they were tired of the atrocities and nobody blamed them for that.