MR VISSER
I think I take your point Mr Chairman.  In other words, where in the second paragraph there is a reference to material, it is the word taken by the witness himself not necessarily, yes, I think that is a fair interpretation and I would accept that Mr Chairman.
	Alright, point of the matter is this, who of the three of you or five or how ever many, went to Brandfort was an explosives expert?  Who could work with explosives?