W RIAAN BELLINGAN
And if I can remember correctly, I have given earlier evidence, I think there is a Tokarev on the scene and yesterday I said that that Tokarev that we issued, from security head office, had been lost a little while before that.  So, this is a new Tokarev.  Whether he got it from the freedom fighter cell I cannot say, but he must explain how he obtained this Tokarev, but his Tokarev, if they had conveyed this correctly to me, was lost when the Kombi got stuck in the sand, before the shooting of the Guguletu 7, if I can remember correctly.