ABRAM VAN ZYL
It is quite simple as this, Mr Chairperson, at that stage, I was 26 years old.  In my opinion just about every member of the Army and the then structures of the Police Force and other structures were brainwashed and were brainwashed by the government and what the government advocated and so forth, and I think it was naive and if you would table the same proposition today to me, I would not accept it.  I cannot explain it any better.
	At that stage I was aware of how the prosecution structures worked and the investigative structures worked, but that is what I believed at that stage.  I think that it is no secret certainly that in most countries of the world, organisations like the CCB existed and probably still exists and that over the course of time, they look after those people so that those people are not exposed to any prosecution.
	So it is in that light that I felt that we would be indemnified from any prosecution.