PUMELELE CIVILIAN HERMANS
I mean that if there was a way for us to ensure that they were not members of AWB, it was not that we were expecting them to do so, but it is something I don't even know how was it going to happen, but at least if there was a way of, for us to ensure that they were not the target.  I am not expecting that to be done, I was not expecting that to be done by them.