MR DORFLING
Mr Chairman, the question relates specifically to the bottom of page 136, the last paragraph.  What is being put to this witness is that Mr Justice Nugent found that at the time when the crowd was alleged to have surged forward in the alleged attack, at that time there was no shooting emanating from the crowd and he finds support for his view from the evidence of the witnesses.  It might be that at other occasions there were shooting emanating from the crowd, that's not what's being put to this witness.  It's been put to this witness that at the time when he ordered the shooting no firing was done by the marchers in the direction of the security guards.