SIMON MOGOPO RADEBE
It happened that way.  That person arrived, then we took him and then we instructed him to bring his arms, because in Durban there are roadblocks.  We wanted him to believe us that we are not operating freely, but we are operating underground, because if we were to be free, or behaved to be free, he'll be surprised.  So he gave us his firearms.  If I remember well he gave me a Makarov pistol and AK, AK47, then I hid them inside the car.
	We had an appointment with our white members, that we'd meet at KwaMashu highway.  They took us out of the road, then I gave those firearms to Mr McCarter ...(intervention)