CHAIRPERSON
This was explored with the applicant who then explained that whilst they were in jail, after they had been apprehended, it later was established by someone, if the applicant went on to give the name of the person who said he thinks, even then it was not a fact, he thinks it's possible that Lucky Ntshetha might have had some personal hatred with this person and that's why he called them to assist him to kill him.  I think this point, I just wanted to correct my learned friend, so this was explored and that you are in no position to give us any further elucidation other than the evidence that's before us and I'm satisfied that we do have sufficient evidence before us to clear this particular point.