CHAIRPERSON
Perhaps, if you could just address us on one point that you have just alluded to now.  You have said that in the applicants' minds, the only way to stop the killing of their people, people and supporters of the ANC, was to kill the deceased, who was an informer, a member of both the ANC and the IFP.
	On that question, that then raises the point of proportionality.  Could they not have expelled her from the community, got rid of her that way, rather than take it upon themselves, although I did take it into, we are aware that they didn't only take it upon themselves to kill her, there was this order from Msolo, but if you could just briefly address us on the question of proportionality as that is one of the criteria we have to take into account, in terms of Section 20(3).