JOE MAMASELA
That's a very outrageous perception, to think that there is any black political leader who ...[indistinct] did not fear security police during those apartheid years and I find highly improbable for a policeman, a group of policemen to arrest four people without causing a commotion, that to me would be highly improbable if that was to happen the way you wanted it to happen.
	I found it quite sound, it's a militaristic approach whereby you use an element of surprise to surprise your adversary and you quickly apprehend him and you are gone, that is precisely what we did.  We carried out that operation with military precision.  
	And then we had some contingence planning in case plan A fails then plan B will be put into operation and plan B was that backing and the backup of backup teams.  So fortunately for us Plan A worked because the element of surprise was on our side.