MR LAMEY
Then I would just like to deal with this aspect, Mr Nortje states in his affidavit that you, Van der Westhuizen and Anton Nieuwoudt drew a great financial benefit from this operation and I would like to put it to you that Mr Nortje will give evidence that this is something which he heard subsequently during a discussion, he cannot recall exactly when and who the person was who mentioned this to him.  He said it may have been you or somebody else at Vlakplaas, however, he states that he will give evidence that there was no direct transfer of money upon the delivery of the weapons or any mention thereof beforehand, any mention of remuneration for you or any other members of Vlakplaas or for Nieuwoudt, before the operation.  With regard to this he is in concurrence with your evidence, however, he maintains that he heard subsequently that you and Nieuwoudt and Van der Westhuizen had drawn financial benefit from your participation in this operation, and from this discussion which he heard, he drew the inference that it had to do with this attempted coup in which he had been involved, but he says that it could also be possible that this is in reference to the other incident, which you have mentioned, which would appear to be the later attempt.