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Ja, the political objective, would already appear from those factors mentioned in 20(3)(a), (b), (c), we wouldn't even need to get to there, but the value of (f), that is the proportionality aspect, would be for instance if one say referred to the St James Church incident.  If for instance the facts were that these people came into the Church, killed a lot of people, stole R500 from the collection monies and their excuse was:  "We were going to take this R500, we didn't rob these people, this was political.  We came here to steal the collection money, R500, we were going to donate it to the ANC."  Obviously then the proportionality aspect would indicate that there was a political objective, so that is the value.  I'm not saying that in this case the proportionality aspect is of no value at all, but I'm saying that it is not a requirement which has to be proved by the applicants and in conclusion I say that the political objectives and the political motives of the applicants are clearly shown already by the fact that they were employed by the CCB, that they were in fact attacking people of political position like Omar or Evans, that they were acting, even if all the information they received about the ELC was false, they bona fide believed that they were attacking political opponents and what is also very important obviously is the context in which these acts were committed and that is why I'm again emphasising what pages 30, 31, 32 of my Heads of Argument, because that is exactly what I say here, that one should weigh these factors against each other and that the value or the importance of Section 20(3)(f) actually diminishes to a large extent if one has a look at the full background of this case, the motives of the applicants, the context, the fact, very specifically that they were employed by the SADF in the CCB, a covert organisation, specifically aimed at combatting the enemy and we've heard the evidence of Verster, we've heard the evidence of the General, that's the evidence on record and that is the evidence this Committee should act on.
	I'm not going to canvass any other points right now.  I will do so in writing, if necessary.  Thank you Mr Chairman.