MS PRETORIUS
I know now they are able to walk there freely, I know because we've been there, I've seen IFP members in Boipatong, but I'm speaking about the year or the two years prior to that attack.  Because there has been evidence to this Committee by the attackers, that it was not safe to go to Boipatong for them at all.  They could not go and buy food there, their children couldn't go to school there.  Would you agree or what would you say about that?