MR PHOSA
I don't know if this is an appropriate stage to argue this, I do not want to argue that point, I may not be here when it is raised later.  The Eastern Cape Division had a different view on that.
	They actually were the ones who were using those statements.  Now, if it is going to be a matter of importance, it would have to be researched.  We used to fight and find that the Eastern Cape Branch was actually making use of such statements.