TESTIMONY_GIVER:
 Thank you.  May I just say something?  Sorry.  When the ANC was elected to power it was a sort of very mixed thing for us.  We were very excited and pleased that the changes were happening in the country, but it was terrible that Jackie and Joe weren't there, that they had lost their lives for it.  So in a way it's amazing that today the new Constitution is being signed, the day that we're having a chance to tell this story.  Ja, it's just very fitting.  It's great.  Thank you very much indeed.