ADV DE JAGER
Mr de Koker, but that is part of your argument.  I can understand if you say it is possible that people might have seen him, since people were trying to turn around, people were coming on, people were moving back - taking all that into consideration, it is possible but that is an argument that you will have to put before us.
	The witness won't be able to take us further, he is saying he threw it in such a manner that he wasn't seen.  Now, one can take it in argument to decide whether it's possible or not.  I think the witness is not going to bring us any further because he believes he did it in such a manner that he wasn't detected.