MR LOWIES
... when one deals with an aspect such as that, Chairman, the point that I would like to make is, the test is whether a lay person, a lay litigant in the position of an applicant for instance, if we bring it closer to this matter, would have a perception that there may be bias.  It goes no further than that.
	Now Chairman, my submission in regard to the declarator, or the alternative prayer, which I will discuss, elaborate on just a little bit later, is the following on behalf of the applicants, ...(intervention)