ANDRIES MOZIKEFANI GAMEDE
I've indicated in my evidence that, well, it seemed from the Nationalist Party side and the security establishment, that the Mayor who took over in 1989 out of the local elections was not doing enough, maybe from taking instruction.  Then we understand from information that we received that he was deployed strategically to go in a first trip I think in his life to Germany.  When he came back from Germany he was then overthrown by Mr Msibi, who was then the Mayor of ... (indistinct)