MR LAMEY
Just a minute Mr Chairman, just let me take instructions here.  Mr Chairman, may I just comment on this?  We also heard the evidence on the other applicants that a false picture was painted by the security police in their version in those applications.  In other words that Mr Mamasela is now referring to a member here of the police when he says that was pointed out to him.
	I'm putting to him the version of the family who has witnesses who know these people and who has seen them after that and comparing that with our clients' version that at the stage when they left Post Chalmers they were still alive.