MR JANSEN
No, I'm sorry.  Mr Chairman, I don't think you have any of these documents before you at the moment.  The first document I show is a computer print-out from the personnel records of the South African Police showing the history of Mr Otto's police career where he was stationed at different times and which illustrates that he was transferred from Komatiepoort or from Lebombo actually - which is the same place, to Evander on the 17th of August 1981, that is right at the bottom of that document.