MR PHOSA
Let me make you understand, I understand clearly that you are now applying for amnesty for that, I'm dealing with Nieuwoudt the person.  There you were being charged, you went up to the stage of appeal.  Your attitude was - unless there's something in my thinking, "Look, I didn't do this, I'm being accused falsely and now I'm being convicted wrongly, I am appealing because I didn't do it".  Wasn't that your attitude?