MUTHEIWANA GABRIEL RAMUSHWANA
If I saw them doing it, the problem is I was not there when they did this.  If I was there I would tell you exactly okay, I condoned this and this.  But now I know there are so many methods like where, like I was saying our men were trained by the South African Security Branch and so forth, some of the methods I don't know.  But, that is given to the interrogation team.  I personally cannot tell you, but I know some of them like I said okay, a hood and water, electric shock, maybe booted feet, open hands, fists - but then I wouldn't know what methods they used if I came there because someone screamed.