MR WILLS
Yes, thank you, Mr Chairperson.  Firstly, on the photographs I just want to place on record that the family have no problem in handing over photographs.  The problem being, is that the family's homes are no longer in the KwaZulu Natal area and the family is employed in Pretoria and obviously Mr Kubheka is in Denmark, but we will endeavour to get those photographs as soon as possible and hand them over.  We have no objection to do that.  I have discussed with Wagener they types of photographs he wants and we'll try to oblige him in that regard."
That's what I'm referring to.  That's the discussion I'm referring to.