MR VISSER
Mr Chairman, you are quite right.  That is the basis on which I am putting the question now, because, you see, if he said, if my note is correct, that he said we would go and collect the file and go and collect the person, it would appear, and if he said that is the case, I said that, I would have taken it further to say, well, look, if you collected the file then what did you with it, did you read it, etcetera, but that falls away now, because he says, no, I did not even say that.  I did not say I went to collect the file and you are quite correct, Mr Commissioner, because, clearly, on the hypothesis which you just put to me, if the man went into the room and he saw there are two files, there could be one or two scenarios.
	One is I took the file, I collected it, which he now says he did not say and, obviously, that he would have read it.  The next scenario would be I saw the files, I was told it was the file of Musi and China and that is the end of the matter.  So, the first scenario has now fallen away.  I am now back on the second scenario, Mr Chairman, in which he says I saw the files on the table and I am just going to ask him one question.  I think the Chairman has already made that quite clear, but just in fairness to the witness, I would ask him the last question on this issue and then I would like to step off it.  
	Mr Motsamai, ... (intervention).
MR MEMANI OBJECTS