MR SANDI
Mr Hattingh, perhaps the correct approach would be to ascertain from this witness how far this mandate went, how far did it go.  What seems to have been a mandate to Mr Gushu, how far did it go.  What would fall within the parameters of that mandate and what would not.  Can I just ask a question to the witness?  Mr Mndebele, we need to find out exactly what kind of mandate was given to Mr Gushu.  As I understand your evidence, Mr Gushu was told to do whatever was necessary to achieve those stated aims and objectives of your organisation, is that correct?