TESTIMONY_GIVER:
  When the unrest took place in Bloemfontein, or in the Free State or in South Africa generally, I think I was about - for sure between 18 and 19.  No, no, it was late 1979 I think, and then my active involvement started in 1980.  And then I was one of the people who established COSAS in Bloemfontein, Mangani Youth Congress.  We first - before we had Mangani Youth Congress we had Mangani Cultural Organisation.  That's how we used to call it before.  And I also, you know, had a close contact with the other trade unions and people who were like trade unionists in the - whatever, Free State generally.