MR VAN SCHALKWYK
Please proceed.
MR McCARTER
"We drove on the Umbumbulo Road, I just know it was in Umbumbulo Road because I'd been told about that but I'm afraid how far and where we turned off and that, I've got no recollection of it.  It was, the whole area was deserted due to faction fighting that had been taking place over the last couple of months.  We drove to a spot where there was a steep cliff."