JUDGE MGOEPE
Mr Chairman, did you see what he says at the bottom of page 1 of his letter?  He says
"I am not afraid to say Naude is lying when she says she heard about this on TV for the first time.  What I can understand from her is that this came to her attention very late, as I only got hold of her when there were only about nine days left."
So I think we should be careful about simply saying that, making that kind of judgment, because it seems that we have got two conflicting versions.  I think we need to be very careful before we say that Mrs Naude is right, she was never informed, when we have got a version to the contrary.  Because it may cause problems later.