MR MARTINI
Correct, correct.  And not only this, how did he know he was going to stay in the same hotel, that the hotel - and if he did get the same hotel, how was he going to know he's going to get the same room to retrieve it?  Total - my submission is Mr Barnard never had the Makarov.  And if I have time, Chairperson, he does state that it was returned to Peaches.  And later he tries, he's realised the Committee's problem, in his evidence he suggests
"Ja, it's absurd for Mr van Zyl to tell Peaches to get rid of it."
But what happened to the Makarov then, if Barnard had it?  All that Judge Els found was it was a Makarov pistol, not the same one.  And remember Barnard's evidence:
"I have more weapons that the CCB"
Why would he need to get a weapon from Mr van Zyl, on his version, and later he says he got it from Peaches?