MR JANSEN
As it pleases you, Mr Chairman, Honourable Members.  As stated I appear for Mr Dirk Coetzee.  Before I wish to call him as - the applicant as a witness, I just briefly wish to make a preliminary comment on the mode of leading our evidence.  I understood this morning that we will be dealing with the three incidents, the Mxenge matter, the Khondile matter and the Pillay matter separately.  Those are the incidents which relate to paragraphs 3, 5 and 10 of the schedule to the applicants' application.
Mr Chairman, you would, with respect, appreciate that as far as the requirements of the Act is concerned, especially where evidence relating to orders and the justification and the perceived justification thereof is concerned, a certain amount of background evidence relating to the Security Police, the culture therein, and background information in general, will be relevant as far as that is concerned.  I intend leading the evidence about
	/the incident
the incident itself, and then returning to the background evidence as far as the Mxenge incident is concerned, but I will not be repeating that - all that background evidence in each and every case, as far as the Khondile and the Pillay case is concerned.  So if that evidence could just then be seen as led - as being led as far as all the incidents for which amnesty is sought is concerned.