RAYNER MARIA MORINGER
No, first of all, the intention of unification was in 1988 and I admit there was some business interest there.  In 1991, the objective of the abduction of Mr Mbotoli was to prevent the unification.  To prevent a unification because at that time it was Oupa Gozo in the Ciskei and if a unification in the sense of Charles Sebe, then one would have tried to withdraw Oupa Gozo.  What I am saying is in 1991, we were trying to prevent a unification.  Besides everything else, in 1991, my business in the Ciskei was financially and whatever, finished.  In late 1989, for a simple reason that if I was refused bail for ten months, if you want exactly, 299 days, now you cannot run a business from Johannesburg Central Prison.  So by the time I was released on bail and by the time the trial was over, which was in 1990, there was nothing left in the Ciskei any more, so other than going as a tourist, I could have no interest whatsoever.