MR VISSER
... by the two gentlemen and taken to the veld and you were told to jump, assaulted and told to jump the fence and ran to the trees.  That date.  It would be very useful if you could possibly try to establish it for us.
	Now, during, seeing that you have just mentioned it, let us just stay still there for a moment.  During this commotion, Ngo was at school and somebody informed you that he might be in possession of a firearm, a gun, as you called it, and at a certain point in time you try to take the gun away from him.  You remember that?