CHAIRPERSON
Did he join the South African Police in 1985?  He is reading it as saying that he joined the South African Police and during 1985 to 88, as a member of the South African Police.  He met him on many opportunities in Bloemfontein.  He is reading this paragraph as saying that he was in the South African Police in 1985 to 1988.  Is that not what you are doing, Mr Motsamai?