H J P BOTHA
Correct, Chairperson and at that stage it was supposed by both of us, this is Gen Steyn and I, that if Ndaba could not be brought to insight both he and Shabalala had to be eliminated.  Chairperson, I've already referred to this earlier.  During this incident and events Gen Steyn and I had walked a long path together since his arrival in 1986 and there were operations where he had given his approval, directly or indirectly of my actions and in matters which I have already applied for amnesty and there was a measure of rapport between the two of us, that we with few words, came to a decision without spelling out the detail as to what and where I did what I had done.  Consequently it was our realisation that if Ndaba could not be brought to other insights both he and Shabalala had to be eliminated.