MR MAPOMA
Oh yes, Chairperson.  Looting itself as well, it forms in the same category as the destruction.  There was no political objective intended by looting itself, it is a situation which was out of hand, it is a situation which no political account could be given at this point and in the circumstances, Chairperson, in short I submit that even if applicant may be found to qualify for amnesty, but with respect, should the act of destruction of those properties and looting itself, he does not qualify for amnesty.  Thank you Chairperson.