BETHUEL MONDLI ZUMA
That cannot be the reason for shooting because most of the marchers did pass Shell House, we did not shoot them and you must ask yourself why, so you can't now say that was one of the reasons we used for shooting.  We knew that there was this information but we could not use the information to shoot people when they have done anything and really I think you do expect me to go word for word because you are trying to trick me with the words like "rumour" and "information".  I can't give word for word what I gave to Judge Nugent.  I can give you the picture, I can give you the information and the answers that I gave but it won't be similar word, chapter and verse.