MR VISSER
Bundle C, page 12, the last paragraph on page 12 and let me just summarise it for you.  That deals with the attack, kidnapping, torture, not kidnapping, torture and eventual killing of a person to whom Mr Ngo refers to as Papie or JJ who had a UDF t-shirt on when he was found, when his body was found.  Now, dealing with that incident, in paragraph (x) of your affidavit, it is stated here that you have no knowledge of the alleged assault and murder of a member of the UDF, the one that I have just referred you to.  Is that the truth or is that false?