NICHOLAS JACOBUS JANSE VAN RENSBURG
I can't say at which stage Mr du Plessis had told me about this.  He did tell me, I knew at a certain stage he told me that they were going to East London or Transkei, he was going to point out certain things, but you know Mr du Plessis and his colleagues were very busy.  I was involved in my tasks.  It was not a case that we sat there discussing things all day long.  Yes from time to time he did convey certain information to me but I did not visit him every day or every few hours to ask him what was going on, what was happening, it does not work like that.  You are involved with your own task, you are inquisitive but you expect that the person will inform you in his own good time.