FERDINAND BARNARD
No Chairperson, there was a second meeting with Mr Verster and upon the second meeting he brought in another person later in the discussion, in the room with us and this person was the Head of Security who introduced himself as Johan or Frank and he also had an interview with me.
	At that stage I had not yet met Lafras Luitingh.  It was upon a third occasion at the Holiday Inn at Millpark when Lafras Luitingh was introduced to me and then all three of them were present, and I was told that I had received the job and that I could begin, and that my liaison would be with Lafras Luitingh in future.