MR NTSEBEZA
I see.  Now finally maybe I want to ask the questions that Dr Ramashala was asking from you.  When you look back 11 years, almost ten years, do you think that the attack or the attacks by Witdoeke could have been prevented given that there were riot police, there was a unit of the army and that the full force of the South African Security Forces was equipped to deal with those situations adequately?
 Maybe the first day it could not have been prevented but an orgy that lasted three days do you think it is something that could have been avoided, or at least could have been prevented by the security forces with enough will on their part to do so?   
 And you must give your answer against the background of a court order that had been obtained immediately before the attack on KTC that specifically enjoined the police and the army, not only to participate in the attacks but to make sure that those attacks did not take place.   I am not accusing you because you are not on trial.  I am just asking you as a witness to reflect and to give what you consider an honest reply.