MR PATEL
If I may just reply on the following basis, Mr Chairman.  As I understood it, the applicant's initial instruction which came from Ulundi was to go and assist and everybody was fair game if they belonged to the ANC.  However, when he arrived in Ermelo his commander in chief is now replaced.  It's no longer the man in Ulundi, it's now Noah.  Noah's instruction to the applicant is to take out leadership.  Thereafter that becoming futile, the instruction changed.  That's how I understood it.