MR RAMALIGELA
With regard to 15.1, Mr Mahamba, there was no particular method that we use in regard to torture.  We only talked to him about, you normally say to us this ...(indistinct) and all those things, we do agree.
	With regard to 15.2, Mr Posiwa, I used one particular method of him standing for quite a long time without sitting down.  I assaulted him, I hit him, using the open hand.  I used my fist on his stomach.