MR BERGER
Yes, one of the decision at Kabwe was now the line between hard and soft starts getting blurred because "look at what the regime is doing to us".  Now a decision like that doesn't get taken in a vacuum, there's a lot of caucusing going on and planning before a conference and who is one of the people who is feeding information?  It's Mr McPherson's delegate to Kabwe.  Remember the evidence of Mr McPherson, he had a spy who was going to Kabwe.  They knew where it was, they knew what was going to be discussed there and ...