ABRAM VAN ZYL
I understand your logic, I understand your point you're trying to make but I differ with it, with respect.  I am saying that I accepted it bona fide that the targets that I am applying for here were well and properly identified target persons or target premises and I would have, as a result of I won't say my discretion but as a result of my logic.  I would not just obey an order blindly and kill a seven year old child when such an instruction is given to me, I would refuse to do it.
	I would please like to mention to you that after I returned from my vacation just before I quit in October 1989, we were told that no project will continue because - the Regional Manager, Burger, told us this, no project will continue because Mr F W de Klerk then had just taken over as State President from Mr P W Botha and it was then said that Mr F W de Klerk has not yet been informed about the existence of our structure and before that has been done no operational execution could be given to the project.  
	During those meetings I told them that it does not make sense to me, there was a stage when a monkey foetus was given to me to go and hang on the premises of Archbishop Tutu and now Mr F W de Klerk is coming and he says in his speech that he will be talking to the ANC and other people and banned organisations, and then I said that Bishop Tutu cannot be a target of this organisation any more.  And I'm saying this to you, that was my discretion and I mentioned this discretion pertinently to Burger on that day.  I may have discretion and an opinion irrespective of whether I'm obeying orders or not.  I think so.