CHAIRPERSON
Well a few things come to mind Mr Papier. Firstly it is unfortunate that your clients were not  able to say what they want to say in another section of this Commission.  The regulations and the practice of this Committee is such that we cannot provide a forum for what ought to have been said in another Committee.  As you will appreciate, we are the only surviving Committee of the Commission, that's not of our own doing I would like to argue, but really we're under pressure to complete our work.  Aside from that, we strictly work to the rule of relevance and now if you wish to comment on my following comment, please do so when I'm finished.  The real test here is whether what is contained in these three or four pages are matters which are either going to detract or improve the application.  In my view it doesn't, one way or the other and therefore I must conclude that that is irrelevant.  The bigger test of all is that I must protect the integrity of this Committee from being used as a forum to say something that is irrelevant to this Committee and I again repeat, it is unfortunate that the clients weren't given an opportunity to say it where it should have been said and maybe it can be taken up by you to the members of the Commission, but certainly I am not, I am loath to grant permission to put this on record because in fact it's not going to improve your client's case at all.