CHAIRPERSON
How can you say that Mr Cachalia?  He goes there, on his own evidence, which is accepted, I'm going there to cause peace, and he said he was upset when Magwaza, he said Magwaza wouldn't listen to him.  Magwaza thrusts a thing and says, the time is for action, I'm the boss, forget talking it's action, here's a gun, go use it.  Now, he's either, if he doesn't use it, it's treason, he's acting, he's committing an act of treason in his little community.  He faithfully follows the order.  Now how can one say he's acting out of spite?  We've got no evidence that he said, well, oh I'm so glad that now I'm relieved from my peace mission I can go and kill people instead.  We can't find that.  It's a question of Mr Sithole's mind.