MR VERSTER
I do not agree that up until this morning I avoided it, I said expressly Chairperson, that there was a transition time.  Unfortunately I do not have the facts at my disposal regarding at which stage this transition time that I had started to talk to Region again and where they reminded me of exactly what happened.  I did not have files like you have in front of you, or documentation, because I was isolated.  And when they presented it to you and they told me what they had and then I said "well in that case, I will have to stand by the region and I'll have to admit to ..."  ...(intervention)