ADV DE JAGER
Yes.  They say we should give sufficient particulars about this offence, so that if he is being charged later they could say: "We could identify this offence.  It's been committed in Thokoza in Khumalo Street on the 22nd of February 1990 and it related to the killing of people there, the murder of people or the killing of people, whatever you could call it.
	It wouldn't then include an offence that's been committed in Buthelezi Street on another date and other victims being ...   So that is the reason why the Act requires that we should be very specific about the amnesty we are granting, because otherwise it may turn out that we grant amnesty in respect of a murder of a personal enemy or whatever it may be.  That is why we are asking, give us the particulars, are you asking for amnesty in connection with the funeral procession for instance? 
	Then we've got a further problem, and I think you should have a look at that too, we've got an application and it's long after the cut-off date.  In this application no specific offence has been mentioned.  We've been lenient about this and we've widely interpreted it and said: "Okay, give us particulars later, we're asking for particulars".  But in this case I don't know whether particulars were asked for, but we received no further particulars about a specific act, and if we would grant amnesty and it's not mentioned in this application, this application as wide as those applications that the Supreme Court have set aside be amnesty granted.
	So even if we would grant amnesty on this application, the result would be that it would be invalid, and that is why are attempting to get something from you so that we could, if we give amnesty it should be valid amnesty we're giving.