CHAIRPERSON
Sorry, Mr Hockey.  Just on that Mr Verster, you said that when the bubble burst the CCB was made a scapegoat and the various government departments all wanted to blame their activities onto the CCB to a certain extent that your members were locked up, etc. etc.  Why would they have done that if the internal operation of the CCB was really in the overall picture of things, on what you say now is so insignificant.  I mean four incidents and the rest was just scratching around getting information and planning.  Why should the whole State machinery choose such a small operation such as yours to load such huge blame?