CHAIRPERSON
Professor de Koker, really I don't think we should get into that.  You know, the situation might not be as easy as all that, it may very well be that even the police with their expertise and skill in their investigations were not able to get witnesses to come and say we say such and such a person, be it the convicted people or anyone else for that matter.
	We don't know, it may even be - I mean it's a fact a hand grenade was thrown there and it's a fact that there were people there but how many people - eye witness, did their police with all their skills and abilities unearth?  I don't know, it might just have been very difficult to get eye witnesses and I don't know whether your statement is justified in criticising the investigations so far done, it may not be as easy as you say.  At any rate really, these are matter for argument, I think deal with the evidence and then you can raise arguments later.