JOE MAMASELA
No, I said the name of the person who phoned, who Tosamele promised this people will phone, it was a certain Mr Charlton from the British Embassy.  It is not the name of the man who phoned.  I don't know for a fact who phoned but I know for a fact that Niewoudt told us that one of his white security force with an English accent is the one who phoned these people to lure them out.
	I don't believe for a moment that people belonging to the same organisation cannot hear the voice of one of them who pretends to be somebody else.  Right now I'm not your friend but if I phone you and pretend to somebody else, you will hear this is Mamasela's voice because who, you spoke to me ...[intervention]