MS PATEL
All right, he says further that during the weeks that he spent with them and whilst he was training them, that you then, between, sorry, I should say that Mr Liebenberg was, at most times, together with you, so when I say you I include Mr Liebenberg, all right.  That during the time that he had infiltrated and while he was training them, you then supplied them with further ammunition in order for him to effect the training.