ABRAM VAN ZYL
The accounting was done, the application for payment was done by me and I think the accounting of that specific project was done either by Christo or by Staal themselves.  Naturally it is possible, I mean if I have to give an agent R2 000-00 and I decide to keep R200-00 and give him R1 800-00, then it is possible, it can be done without my Regional Manager knowing it, and it can also be done without the Managing Director knowing it, or without the Chairperson knowing it.  It is cash money that you are working with.