CHAIRPERSON
Before we, I am reminded, we have not complied with the formality.  So before we continue can I say this is the, Wednesday the 30th of July.  The application of Mandlenkosi T Poswa and Mafoeka Anthony Nzimande.  I, Andrew Wilson, am acting as Chairman together with Mrs Khampepe and Mr Potgieter.  Would you two gentlemen please put yourselves on record.