MR VISSER
Chairperson, we agonised about that question and really we don't know.  In fact Chairperson, so much so that I have already prepared a little argument to you about what your duties should be in that regard.  You know what Commissioner de Jager's viewpoints are, one must specify the offences or the delicts and I was going to argue to you Chairperson if appropriate that what you really need to do is to give amnesty for any offence or delict committed on in regard to this incident and that would cut out all of these arguments.