MS THABETHE
Also I just want to clarify one more factor.  According to Noma Langa in her statement on page 33 of the bundle and Mantombi Ngobane on page 36, they both say that they saw you together with a group, you were all carrying guns, hand guns, yet in your evidence you've stated that you did not carry a gun.  What ...(indistinct - speaking simultaneously)