MR DU PLESSIS
Mr Chairman, may I make something clear here, and that is something that we would have rather left for the Amnesty Hearings of both these applicants.  Col Loots did in the one application for amnesty, refer to Capt Bokaba as having been present, subsequently, and that will be the evidence that subsequently he spoke to Capt Bokaba. Capt Bokaba told him that he was not present at that incident. Col Loots wasn't hundred per cent sure if Bokaba was present at the incident, and the intention is, when Col Loots gives evidence about that specific incident that that was the case.  And in all probability Capt Bokaba was not present and that he will accept the explanation from Capt Bokaba that he was not present, and that the reference in his application to Capt Bokaba was a mistaken reference.  Now Mr Chairman, clearly this creates a lot of difficulties to go into these proceedings now. We would rather have left that for the amnesty applications of Capt Bokaba and Col Loots, and to explain that to you. I am trying to put that as shortly as possible, and I would request the Committee, Mr Chairman, that we don't go into too much detail about the amnesty application for these two people.