CHAIRPERSON
So what you're saying is if there is a clearance, let's just for purposes of argument assume that there was an incident where a house was invaded, the inhabitants were killed, in part of a clearance operation, and on the way out a TV set was taken, or a video recorder, or something like that.  Are you saying then that the actual motivation behind the killings is completely separate from the taking of the video recorder?  So when they went into the house it was there for the clearance purposes, to attack them because it was an ANC or UDF area, and coming out the taking of the video recorder, although it is looting and theft and there is an element of personal gain, it's not linked to the reason why the inhabitants of the house were killed?  It's separate?