MR BLACK
About these specifics, I think I have tried to explain to the Committee that there were different firms of attorneys handling this situation at various stages.  I received instructions finally from my present firm of attorneys.  We were under tremendous - unfortunately I omitted to ask Mr Zoeka to tell me when the previous hearing was heard, but it was about a week or several days or two weeks before the hearing, I was requested to fax whatever statements we can to the TRC.  I dealt directly with Mr Tofile and that's what we did.  They went down unsigned and I did send a covering fax and a covering letter explaining that a copy of which of course I didn't keep, I'm not an attorney, explaining that these were sent down and possibly don't cover every aspect.  That was the situation as far as the time factors are concerned.  I must accept the dates given by the leader of evidence.  Then as far as this incident which is in the process of being investigated is concerned, the misunderstanding, as I gather, which arose is that my attorneys at the time of consulting with Mr Gushu did not have the first statement.  They weren't in possession of that.  So, the investigation, and Mr Gushu was consulted in connection with all those charges for which he had been convicted, and I think it would appear from the statements which are before the Committee now, that he's referring to the charges for which he was convicted.