MR MAPOMA
Yes.   I want to refer specifically, Chair-person, again to Mr Michael Armoed as one of the witnesses who were here about the kidnapping of Jabulani Mkmalo.   Jabulani Nkmalo gave testimony that Mr Armoed is one of the persons who was there when he was kidnapped, and Mr Armoed denied that when it was put to him.   It is again, sir, another issue which put the credibility of both Mr Armoed and Nkmalo into a question here.
	It is my submission, Chairperson, that Mr Nkmalo's version is a preferred version here, because Mr Nkmalo, when he gave evidence here, acknowledged, he was honest to Mr Michael Armoed, he acknowledged what Armoed did and what he, even good and bad, there is no reason, sir, to expect him to say he kidnapped him, and at the same time say, "Had it not been for him, I would be killed by now".   So I submit, sir, that this witness was very honest regarding this particular issue to Mr Armoed.