KONAKWAKHE ELLIOT SHANGASE
It started early in 1992.  There were people who have been harassing and torturing the area of Khumalo where they were living.  They started getting out now of the area of Khumalo, infiltrating other areas now after they were done with Khumalo area.
	We resisted that and we did not want to accept that, at no standard, that they should come all the way to attack and harass and torture us.  They were criminals, known as criminals.
	They would rape school children, they were breaking houses.  When you asked them to go and kill a person, that was nothing.  It was a very easy task for them to kill once you asked them.
	When they were coming now towards our area, we felt we should resist.  We had a meeting, discussing this matter.  The first meeting, Mr Luthuli was present.