ADV MOTATA
But Mr van der Berg, I don't know the witness said he could pinpoint the person who said he had a firearm.  He never said he saw any firearm and I don't know if we were to proceed with that type of cross-examination whether we are going to elicit a favourable answer in your favour.  And again if you say Mr Uys, he has never said he knew Mr Uys, per se.