CHAIRPERSON
That is right.  What is not clear to me is whether he is saying to us he wanted to kill Ms Mokoena and he therefore seeks amnesty for attempting to kill Ms Mokoena, or he is only applying for amnesty for the assault with intention to do grievous bodily harm as was found by the criminal Court.  That is not confined to the conviction that came out of the criminal trial.  That's why I just want clarity in respect of the Elsie Mokoena incident.