EMILY FOURIE
If I may just continue.  What then transpired, the union became aware of this, that these persons were employed and that they were not being paid the correct wage, and in fact, a court case ensued which we went to arbitration.  We settled the matter out of court and it was decided that these 12 persons would be used at the Hillbrow base, that their salaries would not be reduced back to the guarding division wage, but they would not be used on the vehicles.  And that is how I became, how I got involved and I knew Samuel and his colleagues from the guarding division personally.