EUGENE DE KOCK
No Chairperson.  If I have it correctly, it was a case where the askaris rested there for seven to ten days, we would deploy them for 25 days at a stretch, after which they would have approximately 10 days of rest.  If they had been there, we would have simply told them to take the day off and go somewhere.  Vlakplaas was not a detention camp, it was not a punishment camp, they could come and go as they pleased, and upon that specific day, I do know that very few of the white members were there, they were too busy driving the trucks with which they transported the guns away to Daisy Farm.  There were approximately three to four trucks, so it wasn't that we hid the askaris away.