MR VISSER
That's part of my strategy, not to listen to myself, because I can't stand my own voice.  So I do say some things that I think I say something else.  I do apologise Chairperson for being at cross-purposes on such a silly issue.  Mabece.  She says at page 50, the second line
"The abduction was not enough.  They went to the family in Port Elizabeth, brought his photo"
Then she says this:
"I was shown this photo when I visited them on their request"
What do you say about that?  Did that happen?