EUGENE ALEXANDER DE KOCK
That is right, Chairperson. I just want to clarify something.  Many of those who gave these orders, had never had experience of actually pulling the trigger. It is very easy to say to somebody to pull the trigger, but to actually do it yourself, is a very different matter, and then to go home and live a normal life and in a normal social set-up, that is very difficult. It is a battle.