RUSSELL ALLY
Mr Mvudle, you gave us a very comprehensive account of your understanding of the conflict in Khutsong.  I am going to ask you a few questions.  I am going to try to be brief because we have had you here for a long time and I do not want to keep you here too much longer.  Just to try and help us to understand what was actually happening.
 Now these incidents that you describe is mostly in the early months of 1990, throughout 1990 and you describe the conflict.  You say that a group who once considered Comrades, who still believe themselves to be Comrades, actually involved themselves in activities which could not really be politically justified.  This group you identify as the Gadaffi group and it was their activities, their 
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assaults, rapes and abductions of people which forced a response and often that response was also a violent response from the other Comrades.  That group became know as the Mazimzim.  
 But we have also heard, and I am sure you were present in the hall, testimony from the other side.  In fact just before you Mrs Nomandla who actually blamed the Mazimzims and implicated them directly in the death of her husband who was shot.  Now, how do you respond to that accusation?  That the Mazimzims themselves were also a group that resorted to violence and they were also responsible for deaths of people?