MR MKHIZE
If I were to explain here I have friends within the ANC, several of them, I met some of them at such places.  Firstly I had confidence in myself and I knew that I could defend myself should anything happen and that helped me to gather certain information which we would use as an organisation and I also indicated that the owner of the shebeen was my cousin and he came from Ingandla originally.  These are the reasons that prompted me to go there.  There are several people whom I actually built up and recruited knowing fully well that they were ANC members.  I knew that they were only ANC members in so far as support is concerned.  There were no activities which could make it difficult for me to make friends with them.  I was also a human being just like anybody else, I also needed time to cool off and take a few drinks with friends, especially the kind of work that we were doing was quite traumatising.  One could not cope if there was no escape for which one could forget.  Those are the reasons which drove me to patronise the shebeen or to go to the shebeen and we enjoyed at that place.
	Inkatha used to work as a small group at J2.  Only they could not be found at any other place.  There was no longer any good living experience at the time, no one could sit down and relax and enjoy himself because the ANC was active in the area and therefore it was not easy for a person to do like I did, patronise an ANC shebeen.  I did what I did because I trusted myself, I knew I could defend myself.
ADV. MOTATA: Wouldn't you regard then that it is an unfair judgement on the other Caprivians that they were drunkards when you were also at times getting under the weather?