CHAIRPERSON
Well we - speaking for myself and I think for my brethren, feel that this is a very minor issue, it involves White Mohapi on this.  It certainly may effect Mr Ngo and if it is felt that it is in the interests of Mr Ngo that we should hear it, then we may do so but if it's merely the dispute about what White Mohapi and the police say, it seems to us that that is not a matter that we should reopen, to call another four or five witnesses about.