RAYNER MARIA MORINGER
I would, I didn't see it that way and I don't see it that way and one thing also, and this is not, no insult meant, I have been living in Johannesburg most of my life, and I would never volunteer to take up residence in the Ciskei or Transkei, Umtata, I rather stay in Johannesburg because this is where business is.  I had to go to the Transkei for reasons to avoid being arrested.  I was sitting down there, so that by itself was not a voluntary step and until I was down there, I had no intention whatsoever to do any business down there.