MR VAN DER BERG
Chairperson, let me just finish.  The evidence of Mr Peter de Ionne was simple, he said and you can also see this from my Heads, there was a tense atmosphere, that were his words if I remember correctly.
	The situation was no longer dangerous.  Not at that stage any more at least.  It is quite evident the media went and actually had interviews quite comfortably with those people, they were all standing there, they were waiting for the ambulance to arrive.
	It clearly indicates that at that point, there could not have been a war situation prevailing.