MS PATEL
Okay.  He says further in terms of, maybe I should deal with the question of how they were armed.  He says that they were armed, Chris Piet was armed with an AK47, Chris Piet was in the van with him still at the time that they moved on to the intersection, the driver had a pistol with him and he had his Makarov on him, all right.  Then he says that two of the AK47's that were subsequently found in the blanket, as per the agreement, those were where they were, all right.  Then he says, if I may just confirm before I give you the incorrect, that of the group that was dropped off on NY1 with Maluleka, those two were unarmed, because the agreement would be or the arrangement was that they would then go and get the two AK's that they had buried the previous or that they hidden the previous night.  That was then found.
	So, in terms of Mr Mbane, the two gentlemen with Mr Maluleka were unarmed at that stage.