MR BLACK
I honestly don't quite follow what is happening here.  First of all I must come to I think Mr Gushu might be more confused than I am, but I dispute the fact, when we got to the convictions and the specific incidents, it was not read paragraph by paragraph, as suggested by my learned friend, and certainly there were many occasions in which Mr Gushu would - went off and spoke entirely on his own.
	I don't want to waste time, because the record would speak for itself.  As far as Piet Retief is concerned, by that stage I had received so many objections particularly from my learned friend when it came to an attempt to lead or speed things up about Piet Retief, that I had in response to her objections about this incident of Msibi, I more or less said okay,, you say it in your own words.  So there was no other motive and I don't know what my learned friend is trying to suggest.
	Also there was the method of leading the witness, you will recall Mr Chair, the statement had by that stage been signed and in order to speed it up, I made a general confirmatory, he made a general confirmation of the contents of the statement.  I don't know what, where we are going, if there is any suggestion that there was a sinister motive in allowing the witness to give evidence in the manner in which it was not being led, then I fail to see what the objection is.