MR STEWART
He's not applying for amnesty in respect of those.  Otherwise we'd find ourselves in the position of applying for effectively a sort of blanket amnesty, which the Committee has recently ruled is not something which is possible in terms of the Act.
	Now I don't want to dwell, or spend too much time, on the background to the conflict.  The Members of the Committee are well aware, having sat through many applications, but it is nevertheless a critical point to traverse, and that's the background to the political conflict between Inkatha or the IFP, I'll use the terms interchangeably, on the one hand, and the ANC, UDF on the other, and that's well documented and indeed there have been findings by the Truth Commission itself in respect of that conflict.  And I've set out extracts from some of those findings in my Head of Argument.  	Indeed the findings, or the chapter dealing with KwaZulu Natal in particular and the findings in relation to that, give even more detail than what I've set out here.  And for that reason I'm assuming that the Members of the Committee, and perhaps wrongly and I hope not presumptuously, I'm, assuming that the Members of the Committee accept that there was that conflict and it was particularly intense and it was particularly ... (intervention)