ADV PRIOR
I beg your pardon, Madam Chair.  May I just recap?  The amnesty application of Mr Hlelesi involves the death of Mrs van Niewenhuizen, she was 83 at the time of her death in the Brakpan area.  This application indicates that he was a member of the PAC, that he and others went on an operation to obtain, ostensibly to obtain firearms for use in the liberation struggle.  Thank you Madam Chair.