MR B WILLIAMS
In your evidence you also say that you communicated with Liebenberg and Bellingan on a fairly regular basis over the period of, let's say the four weeks running up to the 3rd March, can you give the Committee and idea in terms of numbers, how many times did you meet Bellingan and Liebenberg?  I know it's a long time ago, but was it once a week in the four weeks or twice a week?