MR VAN DER MERWE
Very definitely. I think it is without a doubt, there is a proximity, Mr Jack was the chairman of the consumer boycott committee and if they, as the security police had to have any chance of getting the consumer boycott under control or convincing anyone to cease it or to work on it to normalise the situation, it would obviously be to work through Mr Jack.  And if Mr Jack at that stage, were unco-operative and as through his own evidence, were a person who didn't fear the security police or wouldn't stand back for them, then I think it is just normal that intimidation and an assault would be used in the subjective view of Mr Nieuwoudt, that through that he would be able to coerce and I say convince in inverted commas, "convince" him to stop this consumer boycott, and which consumer boycott was inter-linked with the current state of anarchy and unrest in the townships.