MR WILLS
Now let's get back to the information or the meetings that you had, or the information you got from your subordinate, Mr Botha, prior to the arrest of Ndaba on the 7th of July.  We have the evidence that you were a person who was a hands-on Commander, that you worked closely with your subordinates.  Now we know that Ndaba, or it's a alleged that Ndaba met with Mr Botha three or four times in the 6 weeks prior to his arrest and it seems from your affidavit that you were aware of the fact that this was going on.