EUGENE DE KOCK
No, Anton Nieuwoudt told me that that was his agents, him, Nieuwoudt's agents, it wasn't Duli's agents, but Anton made it clear that he gave these weapons to the agents.  In other words, Duli asked us for the four AK's with the accessories which would mean that Duli gave it to Anton Nieuwoudt, Anton Nieuwoudt's agents had possession of these weapons.