MR PRINSLOO
With respect Mr Chair, it is very seldom that an Air Force base changes to a Police Force base.  I think it is something that the general public would have been aware of, it was quite extraordinary, it was something that would normally occur covertly, it wouldn't have been obvious and the applicant knows that he wouldn't have been able to enter safe, he wouldn't be able to look at another place, he knew that the arms that were out in the open, loose, would be found there.
	They went there specifically, they were wearing balaclavas.  Why did they wear balaclavas?  Why did the other applicant also wear a balaclava and if one looks at Swart's evidence, then it supports the applicant's evidence, because they entered and they held up Swart as well, with their firearms, so there could have been no other purpose than to rob them of their firearms.
	If they just wanted to reconnoitre, they could have looked through the window and seen there is nothing there, they saw here, but how are we going to look, what are we going to do further?  There is a television playing, so there was no reason for further reconnoitring.
	The purpose was to go and get hold of the firearms.  It is also what the other applicants testified to.  Van Schalkwyk had said this applicant knows where the firearms are and that they had to go and obtain these firearms.
	That was what Van Schalkwyk had told them, and this changed, because in all honesty the Pretoria action was also to obtain firearms, so why should there be this sudden change?
	But the applicants' application, the second and third applicants, don't refer to reconnoitring but to getting firearms.