MR MALAN
Mr Visser, may I just interrupt again.  You led the earlier evidence when you asked him what happened, and Mr Rosslee responded that he couldn't remember, but in consultation he learnt that the man was made to sit.  Sorry, I want to know whether he is giving secondhand evidence of his colleagues or is he giving evidence according to his memory?
	Please, to please stick to the memory Mr Rosslee.  Let me ask you, when you say in consultation you learnt, did that change your memory or do you simply accept the version of others?