MR AMEEN
What I can't understand is that if the order was given for these people to be killed and the order were included to say go and kill them in Shawella, your colleague the first applicant has testified that they still went to, not a member of AZAPO, comrade Glen, who was a senior member of an affiliated organisation, someone outside of the organisation, for guidance on where to kill.  I put it to you that your version is not true, that you are lying to this amnesty committee.