SINDISILE WILFORD DASTILE
We started with Magwaza, and we did not find him at his shop.  Thank you, I had made a mistake there.  And from the shop we took a direction towards Sithole's place.  Before we arrived at Sithole's house, we, Sithole actually came in the company of Zwane and Mpongosi and Sithole's boy, as well as another boy called Mbuso.  He was a leader of the Inkatha youth brigade.  And when we met them these other people stood behind Sithole and Sithole came to the fore and asked, or should I say my brother asked Sithole as to whether he had heard that Mpongosi had attacked people at Maloesi's shebeen.  Sithole denied knowledge of that.
At that time Mpongosi was present.  Zwane and Mbuso, as well  as Sithole's son, had firearms.  Sithole did not have a firearm.  Mpongosi did not have a firearm.  All of these had these handguns.  When Sithole arrived denying knowledge of that my brother said, "...Yes, that is exactly the reason why we are here, we wanted us to inform you about the fact that they had threatened people, saying they are coming back and they will shoot them when they get back.  And they threatened to shoot any ANC member within the area."  Sithole then said to Dastile, "...Go and talk to the ANC people, I, Sithole, will go and talk to IFP members."  He was saying that because my brother said, "...Sithole let us please stop this.  Let it not continue, because many places are faced with violence and should this start it will never stop."  That is why it was agreed that he should talk to the ANC and the other one to the IFP.  
And when we went to the ANC, and at that time I must point out that people had gathered at the ANC office, worrying about the threats. We came to address the people about that.  My brother actually was the one who was to address them on that matter.  And as he was addressing them people said, "...This is not an empty threat.  It looks like Inkatha are intent on doing something today."  My brother said Sithole will not allow that to happen.  And after Dastile had addressed the people, the people seemed to understand and he had to go back to Sithole to report back, because he was, Sithole that is, was going to talk to the IFP and they had to report back to each other.  And Dastile was again delegated, together with his deputy Caswell Tchala, they were delegated to go and talk to Sithole and establish as to how this can be resolved.  I volunteered to accompany them so that I could be the third person.  I wanted to hear this myself.
	And on our way, or just before we left, many people said, "...You cannot go there alone, we will rather accompany you to hear everything ourselves."  And my brother said, "...That is not a good idea, it will look like we are fighting."  And people were running, carrying their weapons, and it was indicated that if that is the case let us leave our weapons behind.  Indeed people agreed, and we started walking.  We were, there was a distance of about 20 metres between ourselves and the group that was following us.  And as we were approaching Brown's place, we suggested that my brother should go ahead and be in the front that he could be seen by Sithole.  And as he was going down, my brother suggested to me that I should stop the people before they could reach Brown's place.