CHAIRPERSON
I've just got one question on the credibility of witnesses, perhaps just before lunch.  Somewhere in the argument, correct me if I'm wrong, it was said that the applicants were not credible witnesses and the evidence of Verster should not be accepted and the same applying to Webb.  Now on the point of whether or not authority was given in respect of the Omar and Evans operations, Verster said Webb gave him authority, Webb says:  "I didn't give authority".  That's all that we have.  We haven't got any other evidence to suggest whether or not authority was given.  You've got to look to those two sets of evidence.  Now you've argued that we must find that Verster had no authority.