MR GORDHAN
When I spoke of my detention in 1981 when 25 detainees were kept at C.R. Swart Police Station, it wasn't in one cell.  There are 50 cells in that complex and there were some 25 of us there connected with different issues all in the same complex and that's fairly common practice.  Mr Lalla and I were kept in the Bethlehem cells for about two and a half weeks, there are only four cells there but there were two detainees there at that time.  That's the only point I was trying to make, Chair.