MR BLACK
Mr Chairman, perhaps just for the assistance for everybody if I may just give some of the chronological events.  This gentleman testified before the Goldstone Commission for the first time in the first week of March 1992 and then he was - his cross-examination was reserved for a later stage and he came back on the 7th April and the 8th April and on those days he was cross-examined again.  It was only quite some time later that this murder took place and at that stage he was still in the care of the lawyers of the Weekly Mail who then voluntarily - and he voluntarily surrendered himself to the police at that stage for the murder.  Just to give an idea of the time and dates that's applicable here, as you please.