MS PATEL
Perhaps I should re-explain the basis of my submission, Honourable Chairperson, from my submission I am trying to say and I don't think I have stated it clearly enough, what I'm trying to say is that the applicants have raised their political motivation to the extent that they are dissatisfied with the particular administration.  Now that administration in my understanding or in the lack of their understanding could hold true today so that extent it's not related to apartheid and to the past, that argument that they have raised in terms of their objections to the administration can be raised at any place, at any time.