MR HATTINGH
If I may respond, my bedside manner may be lacking, I had no intention of doing something which is incorrect.
	The same bundle that Mr Patel is talking about, is the bundle which I also received this morning.  That same bundle which was distributed.  I did see it beforehand, but it was taken back from me at some stage when there was still some problem whether it should be made available to us or not.
	But at the same time it was made available to me, it was made available to Mr Patel.  Mr Patel, the way I understand it, he does not represent the applicant and for that reason, I did not go out of my way to discuss it with him beforehand.  However, as far as Mr Black is concerned, I had it that the same firm of Attorneys attended to this matter at both the criminal trial as well as the application now, and I just thought that if they were to prepare for this matter, then they might as well look at their, what happened at the criminal trial because that is all, this application is about, is where this applicant was convicted on what happened at the criminal trial.
	Then they obviously should have a look at whatever happened there including the confession as well as the pointing out.