CHAIRPERSON
I think what Mr Nel's putting to you, you've said that you believed or understood or learnt that Colonel Roets was AWB, now Mr Nel is putting to you that according to his instructions at that time, Colonel Roets was the Branch Chairman of the Nationalist Party and the Nationalist Party is not the same as the AWB, they're different political organisations.  That's what he's putting to you.  What Mr Nel is putting to you is that he was in the National Party.