MR VISSER
The summary is in front of you but I promise you I will be quick.
	Mr Erasmus, please stop me if I say something which is wrong.  I'm going to read it slowly so that it can be interpreted.
'On the 3rd of January 1957 you were attested.  In 1958 you successfully completed a detective course and you were placed in Marshall Plein in Johannesburg.'
I wonder whether I could ask the interpreter to give me a signal or is that fine?  Thank you.
'Then of because of your father's illness, on request you were transferred to Cape Town and in January 1959 you were transferred to Caledon Plain in Cape Town.  Then you did not do your promotional exam because of the unrest in 1960, but later on in 1960, you were appointed as branch officer in Umzimkhulu in Griqualand West and were promoted to sergeant.  In the first half of 1961, the district commander of Kokstad instructed you to go to Pondoland as a detective and to assist there with unrest related investigations'.
I want to ask you now, during that stage Mr Erasmus, you told me, you for the first time in 1961 had to do with a certain phenomena, what was that?