MAMOGALA JACK MKOANA
On arrival at the second spot, it seems also the spot was very well-known to the Mr Gerber and Van Eyck. I don't think Frans Oosthuisen knows exactly where we were going to, because all the time he was driving with me in that car.  So Mr Gerber and Johan van Eyck, it seems they knew the spot, because we get out of our vehicle and they start walking straight into the direction to the bush, into that direction where that tree was.  It seems like it has been blown down by the wind, it is a tall blue gum tree. So we arrived there ... (intervention).