ADV DE JAGER
The trouble is, I think, we have not got jurisdiction outside the boundaries of the Republic of South Africa to enforce people to come and give evidence, but I think it is common cause that he was injured.  Is there anything in particular that would be relevant, and I do not think even if there is we could do something about it, but it is not denied that he has been injured, so he is a victim and he is a, as far as I can see, and it is common cause that a hand grenade was thrown by somebody, at least, and that he was injured while observing.  So all those facts we could, I think it is common cause and we could accept that.  Is there anything apart from that that is relevant?