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theories of counter-revolutionary strategies and the like, he is coming to tell us about his experiences in his 
capacity as a policeman during the time when he was involved in the police as Mr du Plessis so many 
times, countless times, emphasised, from the 80's over a long period.  I mean he is coming here to testify 
about those experiences.
	I am not sure whether a lot of things turns around that point, but I am just saying that that 
distinction really - it is not real.