MR PHOSA
If my questions are inappropriate Mr Chairperson, if I could just be allowed to ask - I have not been here before and I will pose some questions and I'm not pressurising the witness.  If I can get an answer, it might even say - not: "I think".
	I'm asking a question from this witness, is he saying - not: "I think", is he saying for instance: "President Botha by virtue of attending these meetings where the word elimination was used, was aware of that need".  It ought to be a very simple question for him to answer, was he aware?