SATHYANDRANATH RAGUNANAN MAC MAHARAJ
Firstly, we got in touch with the families and Mbuso's brother, Will Shabalala, was a member of MK, had been outside the country trained, was one of the first of the trainees to come and operate in the country, had retreated, was operating in the political section, had come into the country clandestine before I came in and was successfully operating here in touch with his brother Mbuso.  So we put out word through the family to make inquiries.
	Secondly, just as the Security Branch were putting their propaganda to the media, we spoke to the media to raise the question of the disappearance of Charles and Mbuso and we already put it out by round about the 15th of July that we were satisfied that they were killed.  Then I briefed Pres Mandela on his birthday the 18th of July on his arrival at Johannesburg airport from the East, I briefed him about the arrests, about Charles and Mbuso and I briefed him about the observation and surveillance that was being carried out around me and on the morning of the 19th at 7 o'clock in the morning, from his home in Soweto he phoned F W de Klerk and in my presence requested a meeting which meeting took place, where he told F W de Klerk that these are ANC cadres that you have arrested and you better go carefully.  He had a subsequent meeting with Pres de Klerk, raising the same question because after the arrest of the 12th, about a week later Billy Naair was arrested in Durban at the Teachers' Centre.  By that time, round about the 20th, 21st, 22nd of July, the National Executive of the ANC had met and once more he met Pres F W de Klerk to raise the question of these arrests and the disappearance of these two men.  The Security Branch assured him and assured the public that they had no knowledge of the arrest or otherwise, or presence of these two people.