CAPT BOKABA
I was not supposed to know such meetings and I would not know of such meetings.  Let me explain this to the Committee.  I would come in the morning at about seven o'clock.  We go for a conference.  Then - with Col Loots.  At half-past seven we are finished.  Then each one of us takes a vehicle in the location. After you have finished your administrative duties, you go to your own respective field, you see and contact your sources.  It was not necessary that Col Loots would explain to us that he is going to Mamelodi or he is going to a meeting.  We would not know.