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Mr Chairperson I think the crux of the matter here is whether the evidence, the main thrust of his evidence is relevant and I'm saying that will be determined by your attitude to the matter, whether he is at any stage going to be asked about what occurred at the trial because we are understanding that he is now going to what occurred at the trial.  He says at the trial, Mr Phelane lied, he said he was not an activist when I knew him to be an activist and I was involved with him...(intervention).