CHAIRPERSON
 That's correct.  In fact, he was a member of a hit squad, which included two other people by the name of Romeo Mbambo and Israel Hlongwane.  These three people were part of a hit squad, which was formed at about that time, in 1991, and they killed many, many people in the Esikhaweni area and they were arrested the year before last, in 1994, and they were tried for murder and all three of them were convicted of murder and they are presently in prison and, during the course of the trial, they said to the Court that the hit squad of which they  were members had been set up by senior member of the KwaZulu Government and the KwaZulu Police.   I think that's important, for the record.  It's probably something that you do know, but I thought I should just place that on record, that Gcina Mkhize is presently in gaol and we have heard that he intend to apply for amnesty.  Now, your husband's murder is not something that he has admitted to.  Is that correct?  You don't know for sure that Gcina Mkhize killed your husband?  