PUMELELE CIVILIAN HERMANS
Even the Mbande coastal resort, became one of the places where Costello would go to.  We used to get this from the comrades who would report this to the office because they had some knowledge about Costello.  They also had a hearsay knowledge.
	After Chris Hani's death, comrades from Lusikisiki came on a Monday, I think it was on the 12th, they came with a view that we should do something to retaliate Chris Hani's death.
	They said that they were thinking about Port St Johns, the one that we told them about, and they asked us where those white people were at the time.  We told them that they were around, there were some in town, but it is difficult to do something like that in town, because there were police and the camps, military camps, were there at the time, therefore the action would actually reach the ears of the police and it would actually disturb us from continuing with this mission.
	We told them about these coastal resorts that were around.  We agreed to visit those places, but the problem that we had, we did not have arms at the time.  When we heard about the types of weapons they had, we were not satisfied that we had enough.  We asked    Nyalukana to take us to Zongizela Mxhiza who would try and organise some weapons, firearms, for us.
	We arrived there at Mxhiza's place, we told him about the situation and our aims, but he did not have firearms at the time, he had to contact other comrades to get more firearms.
	Some comrades who left with Zongizela to those comrades, who were said to be having arms, but those comrades refused to give them their firearms, because they also wanted to be part of this mission that we were planning.
	We could not send them away, we had to leave with them, we had to take them with.