CHAIRPERSON
Just on that point about protecting the nation, I am sure there will be submissions from Mr Terreblanche and Mr Van der Berg on this point, so if I could just hear what you say on it.  We hear from the evidence of Mr de Ionne and also from the affidavits of various other policeman that formed part of this bundle that the three victims had been disarmed, that the situation regarding those three, was now under control.  The witness said that he didn't feel threatened himself from those three people and it was also apparent from the video that we saw and the press photo's that Mr Uys next to the wheel, had his hands up, one person was incapacitated through injury and the other one was lying stretched out on his stomach, not very aggressive type of situations and that they had been disarmed, no firearms could be seen.
	Were those three at the time, a threat to the nation and by shooting them, how was the applicant protecting the nation, or these men who had essentially surrendered?