MR VAN DEN BERG
Mr Chairperson, the other applications which I have been involved in have involved command structures, have involved an indication of where a particular unit was on the ground, how it was tasked, how it was trained.  I accept that the applicants here have a difficulty in that their - the person they allege was their unit commander is dead, I accept that, but in response to questions about what kind of unit were they, there's reference made to repossession unit.  I understand that there's been evidence before this Committee previously this week relating to repossession units and referring to them by different names.  In any event, perhaps to take it further, it strikes me as highly unusual and highly improbable that a unit would comprise of five people who apparently are unknown to each other, there only seems to be one or two common threads.  Both of the applicants are members of the unit through Monde, there is a link through Mofokeng and the deceased Kopane Tshabalala, but other than that they seem to be unknown to each other and it would seem that in what we know of these types of units, that there would need to be some form of trust, that there would be need to be some form of intimacy for security reasons and that they seemed to be a diverse group without any particular links to each other.  I don't intend to take it any further than that, Mr Chairperson.
	If one has reference to the acts themselves, there is a material contradiction I want to submit between the amnesty application of the applicant Mofokeng and the testimony which he seeks to embrace, given by Mr Nkabinde.  His amnesty application is quite explicit, he says that Jacobs was identified as a target because he was a member of a right-wing organisation.  Now the assertion that he is a member of a right-wing organisation he cannot substantiate and in Nkabinde's version is that they were out to get arms, to get money in support or in furtherance of the struggle.
	The actions happened at a time when the PAC and APLA had declared a moratorium on violence.  Both of the applicants agreed that they kept up with the daily happenings to the press, radio, television and newspapers.  This thing of crucial significance in the history of the country passed them by, the moratorium and then later the cease fire.