NICHOLAS JACOBUS JANSE VAN RENSBURG
I can tell you that as far as Mthimkhulu is concerned, in his interrogation I had no involvement whatsoever.  In passing perhaps, I think Mr du Plessis on one or two occasions mentioned to me that they were not really progressing with the interrogation and that they were not obtaining the information they were requiring.
	I don't want to state anything here that I cannot say with absolute conviction but I have a feeling in me that during the time that he was interrogated, I never really saw him.  I could perhaps have seen somebody sitting there in an office and not even have realised it was him, but I do not - well, I have the feeling that that was the case at the time regarding him and myself.