FERDINAND BARNARD
It was in 1988 or 1989, the first incident took place with the compromising of McQuillan, the first excursion when he was sent to London, the Klaas de Jonge incident, when he leaked out the project and that is when he told me that the whole world knows about the 15 000 dollars of McQuillan and that we have to lay low, or that I have to lay low.