MR KNOETZE
Can I then refer you to page 258.  From line 7 you gave the following evidence:  "It is what I alone said.  I said that these are ANC people, this is our target group, these are the people who we are going to shoot",  Mrs Van der Walt:  "Very well, proceed".  Mr Kloppers:  "We formed a line where upon I told my second in command to remember that he was the one who had to fire the first shot".  Mrs Van der Walt:  "Who was that?".  Mr Kloppers:  "Deon Martin, he had a pump action shotgun with which he fired the first shot".  Mrs Van der Walt:  "How would the other persons have know when the first shot was fired that they were also supposed to fire?".   Mr Kloppers:  "When we stood in the group I told them clearly when the first shot is fired you must commence shooting".  Now concerning this part of your evidence, Mr Van der Schyff will say that he was not part of this call group where this discussion could possibly have taken place so he did not hear of that.