MELFORT YAMILE
As long as we are going to take them away from Nyanga Bush, yes that is it.  Because we didn't want to go there, because they promised us before that we are going to be taken to Khayelitsha and Mr Ngxobongwana - we went to investigate the Khayelitsha, we saw the houses, they were matchboxes and we said, no we denied the offer, we won't be going there.
 We said we won't be going there and they opened Site C.  Mr Ngxobongwana was arrested during that time, early 1985 while all these things were happening, he was arrested.  I've seen that we are going to differ in our opinions in 1985, we went to visit him as we thought he was our brother.
 We went to a meeting in Crossroads by Nongwe that was called by Nongwe, and when we arrived there, it was KTC, Nyanga Bush, Portland Cement, Nyanga Extension and Site C, Hoza's area and Crossroads.  There were six areas.
 The message was Toyse and Memani, which is Tabo Memani in the area they are leaving, they are training old and young people so they have arrested them.  That was Nongwe who gave that statement.
 My colleague was a secretary then.  I said to this people Mr Nongwe are you the head of this area, headmaster?   We must make negotiations with Nongwe not you.  And the house agreed with me people like (indistinct) and KTC agreed with me.
 Toyse was also locked up there and Tabo Memani said he must come and then they were released and then they came so we talked to them.  Along the discussion we - someone said we can see there is something that should be eliminated.  There should be some elimination here, there is something to be eliminated and then we had a meeting at KTC.  At that meeting at KTC I raised this issue, that there is something, some root to be eliminated.
 What are we going to do about this?  And we should look at this seriously, that was 1985.  And thereafter we were not happy at Nyanga Bush.  Policemen were harassing us, we don't know how they knew the boundaries of camps, but they would surround it.
 That was difficult to get there, they said they were looking for weapons and they wouldn't find any and eventually they gave up.  Then we gave over to the ladies.
 We asked the ladies to go and ask these Whites what they were looking for.  So we found these policemen there.  The policemen were standing back to back and you can't go out if you are a man.  If you were a man, you couldn't go out.
 This happened in 1985, it was a Friday, the 19th of November.  The policemen came in the morning, very early, they surrounded the whole area, aiming guns and there was this helicopter flying over the area and the others were searching.
 And we were running away because they could recognise because they knew us, because we had been arrested for quite a number of times.  And we used to run and that process I met Mr Mlangeni, Lennox Mlangeni, they shot him.
 He was with another one, (indistinct), he is now at Hermanus.  They killed Mlangeni that time, it was Friday.  Well, the next week we buried him because it was almost towards month end.  Then we came back, close thereafter about between March/February we were called to a meeting at Crossroads.
 No the meeting was at Site C, this meeting, where it was reported, it was decided that we should go and fetch Gobingca's household belongings and that's where we divided, the (indistinct) started.
 Then there was Nyanga Bush, Portland, Site C and then we had differences of opinion.   We could see that there was no harmony any more.
 Because they said at Crossroads there is a lot of youth there so we must go and fetch.  Each question we asked, they said it was irrelevant.  So we said to our people, don't go there.  So then we saw them going down Lansdowne Road.
 There were some caspers accompanying them.  (Indistinct) came to my place and I told him, I said be careful this is what is happening.  And so he went, he was driving a bakkie.  He came back at night.