MR MAPOMA
Yes, Chairperson, that's my view, but I'm not sure, sir, regarding the kidnapping and the rounding-up, because if I go to the extent of saying that for the kidnapping, then they can be granted amnesty, but whoever must have kidnapped him, it must be the person who killed him, but the only kidnapping I can concede to, sir, is the kidnapping, the first kidnapping, when he was kidnapped and then flew away.