MR LAX
Yes, I was more interested in the matters of form rather than the matters of content.  In other words, does it matter if his authority, if Van Zyl gets an order "kill Omar, make sure Omar is killed", does it matter how it is done and the fact that he might use Barnard, for example, or instead of Peaches or whatever.  So it's that - that was the gist in Mr Martini's argument in that respect.  There was a separate argument about Webb which is different.