PHINEAS NDLOVU
Yes, it was that it had to be done.  We even came to an agreement that even our other comrades who were at the time minors, the State afforded them the services of a social worker and we warned them strongly that that should not suffice at any cost, but it is unfortunate that during the deliberations by Justice De Klerk, when we were sentenced, it then came out that they had in fact given us out.  Because we believed, as we have told them, that any mention of that would ultimately qualify us for that.