UNKNOWN
Thank you Mr Chairman.  Mr Chairman, firstly regarding the question of the absence or failure to acquire an order to commit the crimes in respect of which the applicants make application for amnesty, those crimes involve two murders, three attempted murders in respect of two of the applicants, if I recall correctly, the unlawful possession of firearms, although one of those who admitted to possession and firing of a firearm has not made application for amnesty in respect thereof, that's Mr Guleni.  The offences we know were committed in respect of holidaymakers, now described as innocent parties even by the applicants, on a fishing expedition and even if one accepts that there was a political motive for those offences, it is quite apparent from Exhibit B, the document containing a number of policy statements from the African National Congress that resorting to political violence of this nature was prima facie in conflict with party policy.  They stop ...[intervention]