RAYNER MARIA MORINGER
Sorry, may I interrupt, I would like to stipulate one thing.  I was made to understand that the operation was sanctioned by the then Gen Holomisa, however, I at that stage and afterwards, I never ever discussed that operation with Gen Holomisa other than that I took Colonel Mzwaiba's word for it that it came from Gen Holomisa.  I cannot say that I had instructions from Gen Holomisa.