RUSSELL ALLY
I'm going to ask if, also a slight change to the programme, if we could have Judith Nhlapo to please come to the witness stand.  The reason that we're doing this is because the incident that Judith Nhlapo is going to speak about is also related to the testimonies which we have heard.  The testimony of Mr Mnguni, also earlier, the testimony of Sipho Nhlapo.  So if Judith Nhlapo could please come forward.  Mrs Nhlapo, welcome.  Tell me if you can hear me.