AZHAR CACHALIA
Before I could argue it I thought I must give him an opportunity to answer that particular question.  Now obviously what kind of answer it is would be difficult for him to answer but it's the kind of matter that I thought I need to argue before you but in fairness to him give him the opportunity to answer, sir.  Only purpose sir.
	Mr Sithole, the last issue that I want to deal with you is, that if I am at Mr Magwaza's house and if 400, on the assumption that that is the correct figure, of ANC members are approaching you, the alternative that was available to me was to run in the opposite direction towards the river and when the river was not crossible because there was too much water in it run along the banks in either northerly or southerly direction you would be running from your home, from Magwaza's direction in an easternly direction you could have run towards the river and run away from there rather than confronted them and shoot them.