FERDINAND BARNARD
It may seem like that, but that is how it happened.  The thing is that these people knew that I could do it.  I was recruited initially, remember when I testified about the documentation and the qualifications, they did not want to see it, I was qualified for this type of work, and it became very clear at a later stage that I was qualified specifically for these tasks.  It happened in such a way that if I was trained or not trained, we can debate about that, I can tell you now, if you refer to shooting, then Joe Verster can at any time come and we can go to a shooting range and I will show who can shoot and who cannot shoot.