ERNEST PHUMUZI SIGASA
I think also, Commissioners, we indicated in our application or submission where we quoted also our late President OR Tambo in relation to or in regard to the issue of civilians or soft targets or hard targets, whatever one wants to call it.
	As the struggle intensified it was difficult to separate or to have a distinction of the soft or the hard.  When we talk of callousness we also knew at the back of our minds that innocent civilians will be caught in that kind of, in the crossfire.  
	So I was saying therefore, they happened to be victims of circumstances at a time when we were in fact directing our blows to the enemy security personnel.