CHAIRPERSON
Yes, we heard about it last week, it was started off by Operation Katzen in which Mr Charles Sebe played a role.  In fact the reason why he was in Transkei when you met him, was because he had been freed from prison.  This was after the stop of Katzen, but he had been freed from - well, not after the stopping of Katzen, during Katzen, he had been freed by certain forces working with the view of ultimately forming a so-called Xhosaland, a united Xhosa nation including Ciskei, Transkei as one nation.  What Mr Mbandazayo is asking, your association with this incident now, was it in any way linked to that objective of unifying Ciskei and Transkei into one nation?