MR DEHAL
Well that as well I have some problems with, Sir.  Mr McBride is saying that when he spoke to the Buthelezi family they said they were not opposing his application.  It has come to my ear from various sources - sorry, perhaps I should place this on record, that the Buthelezi family had not spoken to Mr Richard, except yesterday and they have no difficulty with the application.  So I don't know what the basis of the opposition is.