MS THABETHE
Madam Chair, I find myself in a very difficult position as far as this matter is concerned.  The reason being, as an Evidence Leader, I hold a certain view, and as someone who represents the victim I hold a certain view as well.  However, as a legal representative for the victims, I think the problem, or the difficulty that I find myself in is that I would argue that with regard to the killing Hapile Ndumo and the attack on Elsie Mokoena, the ...(indistinct) I would argue that it was not proportional in the sense that, proportional to the objective to be achieved in the sense that even 'though Mr Mhlongo had testified that there was a thorough investigation as to find out whether they were really spies or not, it also comes from his evidence that there wasn't really any investigation as to prove whether they were spies or not.