MR DREYER
: Mr Chairman, I remember very distinctly that at a point, I put it to Mr Kloppers.   I was putting it to him that the whole idea of the decision about having a road-block was postponed to a very late stage, and I also referred to that eventually only at the scene of the road-block, a small group of people were called aside and said:  `This is now the thing.   We are going to kill these people.'  And he denied that he said that he testified that already at the road house.  He informed them that it's the real McCoy, and this is what -there is going to be a road-block.   Now he turns around and said it was ...(indistinct).