MR SMUTS
But my submission is, Mr Chairman, there is no basis on which the link with Mr - the suggestion that Mr Costello was a member of the AWB was founded either.  At best, for the applicants, at one stage there was person that emerged from his house that claimed to be a member of the AWB.
	A further point with respect to which the Committee is compelled to have regard is the surprise appearance of Mr Costello as a pivotal individual in the events leading to the attack launched by the applicants in the evidence of Mr Hermans.  Mr Chairman, one can speculate as to the motivation for it but my submission is simply if it were true we would not have heard of it for the first time yesterday.  What does that then suggest, with respect, that suggests that there had to be a tapering of evidence to ensure some kind of united front amongst the applicants.  My submission is that the Committee cannot be satisfied that it can rely on the evidence relating to the alleged right-wing threat.  If it can't be satisfied that that evidence is reliable then there is an answer to the question posed earlier, no basis on saying we can rely on some of the evidence and not on the rest of it unless it is objectively verified by other available evidence such as the fact of the death and injury which was sustained on the day in question.