RE MR MBANDAZAYO
Madam Chair, through you Madam Chair, just if I can jump in on this matter.  Madam Chair and some of the Members of the Committee will bear me also, Advocate Prior will bear me, we have difficulties on this matter, the reason being that we are unable to trace the names which is the operational names which were used.  We are busy even now with the South African Police Services which are in possession of the names, their file names regarding this matter so we are having problem in getting the information because also the numbers of the high command of APLA who want to assist to say, so and so is so and so, they can't tell us that because the problem is that you find that one name was used by six different people.  Now if they can't get the books to tell it was so and so who operated at such and such a place at such and such a time, so it becomes very difficult, so it's the problem we are still faced with.  Now coming to this question of Mandla, he came many a times, he appeared in many applications that he was an administrator in the PAC or in the APLA, for APLA in Umtata, so the monies were handed to him as an administrator of the office of APLA.  Subsequently it was Mandla Nsikilana, Madam Chair, he was from Cape Town.  He subsequently died, he had a - I don't know whether it was brain damage it was sustained but he subsequently died.  So we are having problems when it comes to these things because the most important documents are in the hands of the South African Police Services which can through some light.  Also I've spoken to the chief leader, Advocate Mpshe, he is also assisting and I've been in touch with Judge Wilson which is vice-Chair who is assisting also.  The police to hand over the document which we are having it very difficult, I even had a meeting with Judge Wilson in Durban with Letslape Mpahlele regarding these issues.  The problem in the document which are in the hands of the SAPS.