MS MTANGA
My instructions are Mr Chairperson, that Mr Ramushwana's office was right next door from the interrogation room and what I want to observe from him is, if he kept going into the room, and he had said, he had given evidence to the effect that he would respond or he would intervene when he heard the screams.  He was only one room away from the interrogation room.  So what I would want to put to him is how many times did he hear those screams and how many times did he intervene.