ANDRIES MOZIKEFANI GAMEDE
Yes.  1985 we had the well-known incident that took place in Piet Retief of the person who actually bombed Sasol, Bani Mlungwane who was actually secretly buried in Piet Retief after being killed by the police and some farmers in Piet Retief.  In 1986 a member of the underground of the ANC, a local person, Philamyeni, was actually killed under mysterious circumstances which up to date we don't know exactly what happened.  During the year of 1987 to 1988 we had a situation where a car full of, a small car, a Toyota Corolla, of members of the ANC were ambushed by the police from Piet Retief.  And in 1988 we had a situation where a kombi full of members of the ANC were killed, all of them in that kombi.  What actually shocked the community in Piet Retief worse was that there was an inquest that actually took place in Piet Retief where Advocate Moranyani, who is now involved with the Commission of Inquiry in the Shobashobane massacre, one lady was actually shot through her vagina in that incident.  Some of the people, the bodies, were stripped with bullets and the car that they were in was stripped with bullets.  Obviously in 1990 we had a situation where ... (intervention)