MR JANSEN
Thank you Mr Chairman.  Mr Chairman before you adjourn, I don't want to interrupt you but before you adjourn would you indulge me in just making one further point about Mr Coetzee please for your consideration in deciding whether you want to call him or not.  Mr de Jager has offered a piece resolution here, and that is on the basis that if Mr Coetzee is not called his evidence won't be taken into account in this application and these applicants evidence won't be taken into account.  That seems to us to be an eminently fair position but the problem is now Mr Chairperson...(intervention)