TESTIMONY_GIVER:
  Yes, that is correct.  I saw them.  The police tried to go and effect an arrest.  They came back with them, the three of them, and I saw them with my own eyes.  When they were asked as to why they had shot my sons, because they were not armed, Carter said they were the ones who initiated the attack and the policemen asked as to where the guns were, but he could not answer the police's question.