JOHANNES FREDERIK VAN ECK
Mr Chairperson, I can just say the following.  I never declared myself as a victim, the TRC declared that I was a victim.  I did not ask them to - I did not present my damages to them, they requested me and they broadly, had me fill in forms to explain or describe the damages that I incurred.
	Then just on another point, if I look at the name, the Truth and Reconciliation Commission and I look at the purpose and the mission of the TRC, then it was very shocking yesterday that the applicants, especially the first applicant, after fourteen years, it has been fourteen years that we have been busy with these matters and after fourteen years are still proud of what they did and still willing to do it again and in the light of the fact that this is an amnesty hearing, it became very clear to me what we are dealing with here.
	And then Mr Chairperson, we are sitting here with applicants who were truly the footsoldiers, the people who worked on the grassroots level and Mr Chairperson we are not getting to the people who gave the orders.  This is as far as my knowledge goes.  Mr Chairperson, something that is so ironic in this is that we are manipulated, we the victims, fourteen years later still we are manipulated in terms of these events and I believe other people were supposed to sit here, also from the National Party side, to explain these matters.
	Thank you Mr Chairperson.
NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR WAGENER