EUGENE ALEXANDER DE KOCK
On two or three, I can remember two or three occasions on which Minister Vlok went to Vlakplaas. On one occasion specifically, he went there with members of Soweto, members of the security branch, Johannesburg, to thank members of C1, the technical division to congratulate them and thank them in regard to a certain number of operations, for instance Khotso House incident. And I will never forget when he said that we, in other words the police and the Afrikaner would never surrender, not in the next thousand years. I think in 1944 somebody said something similar in Germany.
	Furthermore, to put it in the broader context, I want to say that no member of the National Party, including the previous President who has now run away, could at any time have gone to bed at night, and believed that they were in control of this country, because they were the popular majority, politically speaking.  They were kept in control directly by the South African Police, the Defence Force and the Intelligence structures.  There should be no doubt about that.