SATHYANDRANATH RAGUNANAN MAC MAHARAJ
1988, two operations were carried out by Pretoria's agents in Swaziland, one of them was an ambush of a vehicle and Pretoria were looking for Charles Ndaba.  That information is confirmed in de Kock's evidence given at the TRC Amnesty Committee about three weeks ago.  There is also another report from within the Security Branch and this is relevant to the numbering system and it is relevant to Capt Botha.  The first is a report submitted within the Security Branch structures by Sgt Wasserman and Capt H J P Botha and he's described there as the "Verslag skrywer", the report writer.  It is dated the 14th of February 1988.  It is based on an agent's report who had gone to Swaziland and the agent's number is given as PN664 and in that report the agent says that he met a person called MK Zandile in Swaziland, paragraph 28.  MK Zandile, Charles Zandile is then identified by means of a photograph as Charles Ndaba and the reference for Charles Zakhele Ndaba, otherwise known as MK Zandile is given as S4/52573.  That I have reason to believe is a simple file reference of people they are monitoring, not a reference to an agent because the agents are PN.  What is interesting about that report Chairperson is that after that lengthy report, at its end, is a distribution list of information but before the distribution list on paragraph 41, all names that this agent had visited in Swaziland, are summarised.  It says then
"The peoples recognised are Buthelezi Gatsha"
and then it has an "Afdeling" reference number for him with a PNV number, then Headquarters reference number.  Then it has two names "Jabo and Lucky".  Against them the Security Branch say, "Of no security importance".  That is the way they covered a potential or active agent.  Then they came to Charles Ndaba.  They give his full details, they have no PN reference for him, and they give that file number.  They then have later down the name Mr Zondi.  Against him they say "Not of security importance".  That is the way they protected their agents, so that the rest of the structure would not take interest.  At the end of that report, there is the distribution of this report within the Security Branch.  14 divisions were circulated with that report.  I also would like to put that report in.
	Then there is a report dated 14th...(intervention).