MS GOBODO-MADIKIZELA
Zwelitsha gave us a statement that - gave us his role as you are stating it.  He was in charge and he was also a home guard.  He also told us how did Lezo and Oscar arrive and the suspicion that you had against this people and he said he was also the one who was suspicious.
 Just because he was in such a hurry to get a training, so that there people could not be killed, they needed the training desperately.  I want to be clear and also to make it clear to you that your suspicion was up to something, because we've got some statements that this Lezo and Oscar were the Ascaris who were sent by the policemen from Pretoria.
 They sent Lezo and Oscar.  By the time we were listening to the Guguletu-7 case it came up clear that Lezo and Oscar were sent by policemen to come and interfere to the communities and now you are giving us another opinion and Zwelitsha gave us something to look upon.
 This made it clear to us what were these Ascaris doing, so it shows that there is something suspicious about them.  And shows us the role of the policemen because these Ascaris came to your place, Nyanga Bush in squatter camps and yet it was a place with so much violence and then in Guguletu as if these two are not combined.
 So it is all clear to show us the dirty works of the policemen in South Africa.  That is what I wanted to say.  We would like you to come to March and tell us by the time you were being arrested and Lezo phoned, saying something about your car.  We would like to come to that and let's just start from the time Lezo asked you to come by car.