MR VAN WYK
The first one I went to go and see a person that I already knew.  I knew his political thinking, it was just a question of getting that person to basically cross a certain line, which I did not know at that stage, so we had to find out from that person and subtly approach that person which I did with du Plessis.  And the other person we approached, although I was not directly involved in speaking to him.