MABEL MATLALAKA MAKOPE
You see at the time when he disappeared we didn't know what had happened to him, he had just gone to work as far as we were concerned.  But there is a person who came, a  ...(indistinct), apparently he went to the business and found Andrew's aunt and he told Andrew's aunt that at the time when they took Andrew he was with him.  That was a four-way, so she was going to get off at the corner and come up, but apparently when he arrived there they stopped his car and they told this lady get inside.  There were two people with guns and they grabbed him out of his car and they put him inside the combi, and they told that girl that
JOHANNESBURG HEARING TRC/GAUTENG
6 M MAKOPE
she must come back inside the car.  She had already alighted out of the car.  So somebody was driving the car with this girl and they were following this combi and they went passed home.  Many people did see this combi because they knew this combi, but they were surprised that this combi was going at such a high speed.  But they just drove past home.  But after they had turned the corner they hooted to stop the car and then the car stopped.  The asked this girl if you know the shortest way to Botswana, and this girl said I don't know anything about Botswana.  And then they drove towards Cullinan.  They came out through the Cullinan route.  When they arrived at a depot, there was some depot somewhere before, before you arrived at Cullinan, they stopped there in Andrew's car and Andrew's car stopped and the combi also stopped behind it.  Those who were in the combi came towards the window of that, Andrew's car and said get out of the car.  She thought they were going to kill her.  They said this Andrew, we have been sent by his brother to come and fetch him.  If you can leave here and go and tell his wife what happened you are also going to disappear the same way that Andrew.  But another person said no, we are not sent by his brother, we are the police.  We have come to take him because he transports dangerous weapons between the country - between South Africa and outside, and then the other one said no he deals in drugs.  But don't tell anybody what's happened, we are going to take you the same way.  Just go home.  That's why she came to us rather than going to the police.  She was scared, this woman, this lady.