EUGENE DE KOCK
No, if Martiens Ras said that he wanted to gather information to murder, I cannot recall that he said that he wanted to murder him, but information, yes because there was a written report from one of the Security Branches surrounding his transport between Umtata and East London or Queenstown, but the word murder, no.  I don't have a recollection of that that we wanted to murder him.  That was not within my mandate or Vlakplaas' mandate to murder him.