ADV DE JAGER
Mr Visser, could I, I think at this stage, at least, as you have pointed out that it is not a word implicating your people.  So, at this stage of the proceedings I do not think that you have got an interest on the evidence thus far which you should protect and on which you could cross-examine.  It may be another thing with the further developments, but at this stage, as I said, going on the evidence there was not a word of police involvement in anything irregular.  So, (...indistinct) stated if there is no implication, if your clients are not implicated or you agree that there is no reason why you should cross-examine.