MR POTGIETER
And also it seems from the facts that were placed before us that as soon as the shooting started on the side where Mr Kasrils broke through with the splinter group, as soon as the firing started these people turned around immediately and they ran back, in fact we were told that that is also depicted on the video that you refer to.  So these people showed no resistance once the shooting started they fled, they turned around and they fled actually.