MR VISSER
Yes, that's another matter.  Chairperson, your suggestions to Mr Wills is a good suggestion.  Perhaps once we get feedback tomorrow the other counsel are in Pretoria are I'm not sure how many there will be but we can then contact them there and put them in the picture but we'll have to wait to see whether there's some reaction, whether this is going to go anywhere but what we'll certainly tell them in the meantime which they'll know no doubt themselves is there is another bundle and we're now looking at a long hearing here but maybe then nothing comes from it.