CARL CASTELING BOTHA
That is correct, yes.  At that stage there was uncertainty in our cell and I'm going to use a word that is used a lot, will there be backing from the Generals in Staff, will there be backing from the politicians, will the State President distance himself from us?  And because of these factors there was a lot of confusion, there was confusion in our cell about what we had to say, what we didn't or must not say.  And that was the situation that was at the order of the day.