D WORDSWORTH LETHULI
Yes, that was like that.  Let me just explain a bit.  The way violence was, we could actually sense it.  Boy Majola had a friend who were with him here at IFP, we used him, Bamba, and we said, "Bamba, just get hold of Maginxa".
	Indeed Bamba, how they met with Maginxa, but they met, and then he actually arranged for us to meet this Maginxa.  So then, to indicate that now we want to put our weapons down at Mpumalanga, and then, at Mushware, when we were approaching, myself and Sikumlaba, Maginxa stood up, he's an uncle to me, and then went to me and said, "Listen, have you come here to finish here now?", and then I said, "No, uncle, no, uncle", "Oh yes, kill me now, shoot me, kill me, it's fine if it's you who's shooting me", and then I said, "No, uncle, I came here so that we can talk, negotiate".  "You came here to talk with me by myself, just alone, and say Bamba, why didn't you tell me you were actually calling these people?", and then we tried to calm him, and then he listened to us, and then he realised that we were actually telling the truth.  That's how we actually contacted each other.