MR BLACK
Very well, Mr Chairman.  But I would like him to confirm under oath the remainder of the contents of these pages, if I can.  He need not necessarily read it out.  I'll just get it confirmed and explain to him.  Mr Gushu, as indicated, it would appear that sufficient evidence has been set out that by this stage you were committed to the ANC and you were an active member of Umkhonto weSizwe.  Is that so, in Cape Town?