NICHOLAS JANSE VAN RENSBURG
The fraud aspect was not important to me, it is correct when you say it wasn't an issue for me.  As far as I can remember Mr Nieuwoudt did not discuss it with me.   What was important to me were the aspects revolving around the security breech and the overthrow of the Security Branch's activities, the placing of a limpet mine, those were the aspects which in my view were important and which I considered.