CHAIRPERSON
Sorry Mr Bizos.  Mr Verster, you say it was your impression that Mr Omar was the Chairman of the Lawyers for Human Rights.  The Lawyers for Human Rights was never a secret underground organisation.  Why is it, or can you explain why you only had an impression that he was the Chairman, because one could easily establish who was the Chairman of an organisation such as this.  If I want to for instance now today establish who the Chairman is of NADEL, I just get a letterhead and I'll be told that, or I make a phone call to one of their offices and ask that, because no-one would hide that fact because it wasn't secret, so how could it come about that National Intelligence have the impression that somebody is the Chairman of an organisation such as Lawyers for Human Rights, which is so easily established by any layman, let alone an Intelligence officer?