MR MARTINI
Sorry Mr Chairperson, this, if it is evidence, has been led, to now attempt to obtain a concession which on the statement, that concession cannot be made.  You are saying "you have to concede that you wouldn't have known if there were people in the hall", but on the very statement of Coetzee, it says "the hall was closed".  If the hall was closed, there were no people in the hall?
	How can that be a fair question to put to the witness, that you have to then concede to that, when on the statement he relies on, he says the hall was closed.  That is why they had the meeting in the foyer.