MR MOTATA
...[inaudible] also I think if you know you can say but if you don't know you are free to say that.  Oscar says they had an impression that there is some force which is pushing the youth, that's the words he used, he said there are some force whom we think are pushing the youth from behind and at the end under cross-examination he ended by saying "I think the third force was present here."  Now talking about the third force - what is your impression, do you think the third force was there or not?