MR PAPIER
Mr Chairman if I may just confirm and get the record straight, I'd like to confirm that I had a discussion with Advocate Cook on Thursday, we spoke about this issue thrice, I spoke to him in English and in Afrikaans and with respect he does not seem to have understood my request, it was expressly stated to him that the witness must be here, it is important for the witness to be here, we need to test the validity of her statements.  In fact Advocate Robin Brink's assistant, Advocate Mtanga also made it abundantly clear to Advocate Cook that the victims are not present and they have the right to in fact ask questions and the psychologist must please be here today.  It was said to him thrice by me Honourable Chair in both English and Afrikaans, and I am surprised that my learned colleague has adopted the attitude that he has today.  I thank you.