MR SHANGWENI
Mr Commissioner, if you bear with me, I'm trying to put it into a context.  I am saying there was this Committee which was opposed to incorporation, now I was looking at this man, Mr Samuel Begezizwe Djamile who took this youth to achieve his political gains because he wanted to create a stronghold in Claremont so that his views must be imposed on Claremont residents.  	One of them would be incorporating Claremont into Kwa Zulu self-governing State.  In fact according to papers here, he denied that in court but according to the report by the Committee, he was opposed to their views that it should not be incorporated to Kwa Zulu Natal.