MR NTSEBEZA
Now if there was evidence, now that you also recall this particular incident, if there was evidence that suggested that in fact at one of the State Security Council meetings a recommendation was made by way of tabling a report from some of the structures, that served at the State Security Council, that as part and parcel of dealing with the unrest situation in the Western Cape, the fathers must be assisted against the comrades.  Now, would that surprise you now with the benefit of hindsight when you look back on those things?