GIDEON JOHANNES NIEUWOUDT
Your Honour, that specific day I can remember quite well.  There was a meeting.  He was in the vehicle of the late Mrs Helen Josephs.  They were stopped, because they didn't have a permit to go into the Black township and Mr Du Plessis and myself were, by coincidence, that we were there at New Brighton, just before the starting of the meeting that would have taken place in this particular hall.
	They were then taken in by members of the uniform branch.  They were in the vehicle.  We had an interview with them there.  We took their names and we told them that they could continue.  That is all that I can remember of that particular incident at New Brighton.  That's all that I can remember.