MR WESSELS
Mr Chairman, sorry, may I just say we are talking about actually two different Acts.  The one was the Indemnity Act, 35 of 1990, that is the first one, and the other one is the Further Indemnity Act, 151 of 1992.
	The first purported to grant amnesty automatically, and there was no publication and the other one, there had to be an application.  As far as my clients are concerned, and I am also aware Mr van Zyl, and Mr Botha, applications had been done and submissions had been made in terms of Act 151 of 1992.
	It is true that there was no publication of names, but I made it clear right from the outset of this application before this Commission that we totally reserve our position regarding those applications.  We are not going to deal with it, and we are not at this stage, going to insist that indemnity was granted or should have been granted, we are just not dealing with it, and we are totally reserving our position regarding those two Acts as far as my clients are concerned.