TOM MADLALA
Yes, he made mention of that.  Can I say something?  What Lucky stated there, it was an accusation that was directed to the ANC leadership, in that mass meeting.  Not in the caucus, but he stated that specifically in that mass meeting he was open about it, and then he said after coming from the exile, they were given instructions by the Commanders to commit crimes like robbery in order to help the organisation.
	But the very same organisation now is in power and is doing nothing to help them get amnesty.   The responses came from comrades like Carl Niehaus, who said the ANC had given itself time to change all the laws, concerning indemnity.  Early in 1996 they promised that a TRC body would be established.  Everybody who was in prison for politically motivated crimes, they should use the opportunity to apply for amnesty, and these people should reveal everything that they know.
	That was the only first forum that was established by the ANC government, it was this TRC.