UNKNOWN
Chairperson, it is quite simple.  You will not that even in the Harms Commission and the other commissions of enquiry, Gen Webb said continually: "I did not authorise those projects".  So he has continuously held the viewpoint that he did not authorise it and if he did authorise it he could also have applied for amnesty here, which he did not do.  So his version still remains the same.  If you look at Mr Verster's version in this regard, there are various versions which he put forward to you, whether he had authorisation or not.  But for purposes of Gen Webb, I think you can accept that his evidence in this regard is correct, that he never authorised it and that is why he did not apply for amnesty with regard to that.  Thank you, Chairperson.