MR WAGNER
Thank you.  Can I then refer you to the ANC submission, the one that I have is dated 12 May 1997, and on page - my page 51 Mr Chairman, I think it's paragraph 6 Mr Landman, there's a heading "ANC Structures 1985 - 1990".  Mr Shoke if you can get that in front of you.  Do you have it there?  Can I specifically refer you to paragraph 6.4, it refers to a body called the Politico-Military Committee, PMC.  Do you see that in paragraph 6.4?  Thank you.  And then in paragraph 6.3.1 reference is made to a political headquarters and in 6.3.2 to a military headquarters.  Do you see that?  What role, if any, did this military headquarters play in this incident that we're here for today?