MR J VAN ZYL
Chairperson, I would like to say that Mr de Kock - I would not like to say that he has purposefully lied, but I have looked at his statement and that which he says of Mr Goniwe who was shot, is impossible because it is not like that, it didn't happen like that and that is where Mr de Kock is definitely confusing - if I had spoken to him, this matter with the actual facts.