MR VAN DER BERG
Chairperson, with respect, it can't be like that.  We must go and see what was the state of mind of the applicant or what was in his thought processes, what was going on when he shot these people.
	Mr Lebotso testified yesterday that he did not know about this.  It does not help we sketch a milieu of war and which is apparent ipso facto after we watched all the video's and then watch it and say there was an incredible war going on and the place was burnt down.  But that is not what the applicant says in his document and it has got nothing to do with his motives, and that is part of the problem.  
	He heard everything from his neighbour the previous night and the next day he was there, and no further evidence is provided and then he goes and he shoots people.  It can't be like that.
	If I can continue.