WILBERFORCE SANDLA
Yes that is so.
ADV. SANDI: Mr Ntonga, can I just ask a question whilst you're getting yourself ready?
	Mr Sandla, I notice from the records that we're talking about an incident here which happened more than five years ago, do you agree with that?  If you count from 1993 to 1998 that's about five years.  Now what I want to ask you with what degree of certainty are you able to recall the exact sequence of events?