MR VISSER
I hear what you say Mr Chairman, it is a difficult decision.  The proposition which I have just made was that unless there are circumstantial facts, circumstances or direct evidence implicating one of my clients, we were not intending to embark on cross-examination on that issue, but Mr Chairman, if it would be of assistance to you, we would gladly ask a few questions by way of clarification.  That certainly we are quite happy to do.