MR PATEL
The offence would flow from what the self-defence units did.  He as a commander set up or instructed them to set up self-defence units for a certain purpose.  If what the self-defence units then did was illegal, and we've heard evidence of what self-defence units did insofar as they did commit these crimes as part of a self-defence unit which this applicant was one of the founders of, in that respect he claims amnesty.