PROF DE KOKER
Mr Chairman, I would just like to clarify the matter.  As far as I understand, recollect and we have just been reconstructing our notes, I asked Mr Mbakwe, Major Mbatha whether he contacted the Umkhonto we Sizwe and reported the incident.  He said that in July, August he reported the matter to the Legal Department of the ANC and that the statement he faxed was the one that was adjoined.  So, I also understood that that was the one that was adjoined to his amnesty application, which I think, was now very clearly shown, could not have been.