GIDEON JOHANNES NIEUWOUDT
He created the impression with me that the security branch or the police had been responsible for the death of Goniwe and that I was a suspect in the matter.  And then he wished to afford me the opportunity to come to the fore with the truth and I didn't know anything about the Goniwe matter and then he said: "You have to keep in mind the Nuremberg trials that will come" because at that stage the process was already on the go - that the new Government would come to rule, there were elections planned for the next year  and on that basis I already had the perception.