MR LOWIES
Thank you, Chairman.  Chairman, pertaining to the documentation handed over to us and pertaining to prayers 1 and 4, I must first of all place on record the following and express my gratitude towards the TRC, specifically towards Mr Kjellberg and Mr Mapoma for the information supplied to us, and in his absence also, Mr Prior.
	It seems, Chairman, pertaining to those two prayers, that the channels of communication is open.  We're not happy with everything that we've received and we will no doubt in the process have communications between the parties, but the channels are so open that I don't think at this stage it warrants an intervention by the Committee and therefore I would say, Chairman, that prayers 1 and 4 should actually fall away because we are in a process and the channels are open regarding that.  That is the purpose of what I'm saying to you now with respect, and that is I don't think that it merits any, it's of academic value, it merits any further aspect.
	Regarding the declarator which is the 3rd prayer, Chairman, I have to ...(intervention)