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task very difficult.
	Now, that initially, that is the one reason why the applicants find themselves in a lot of difficulty.  
The second point I want to make is, and I have already made that point, is that the party for whom the 
applicants gave their whole lives and their career during that time, namely the National Party, has not 
offered the applicants any assistance whatsoever with these proceedings, has not contacted the applicants 
and has made no effort whatsoever to be of any assistance.
	The only senior person who has up to this stage been prepared to take responsibility for and on 
behalf of the applicants has been General van der Merwe, for which the applicants are very grateful.
	Mr Chairman, at this point in time it is the applicants who were really, if I can call them, the foot 
soldiers, who stand before this Committee, who took the responsibility to give evidence before this 
Committee about the whole background of the National Party struggle, about the whole background of 
apartheid, in respect of which they were foot soldiers Mr Chairman.  They were not the people who gave 
the orders.
	They were not the people who were in charge and they are simply not assisted by people who are 
in a position to assist them.  And although I am taking a time to raise this, I will address the Committee 
again in my heads of argument when I deal with this matter in argument, but that is a reality of the 
applicants' applications.
	The applicants have access to certain people who are
prepared to testify on their behalf and when we deem it necessary we will call such witnesses.
PRETORIA HEARING	AMNESTY/