MR VAN ZYL
No, I think you are insinuating in this case, I mean you are making a hypothetical statement, I do not think that the previous State President or Mr PW Botha was informed about every project and the project relating to Omar.  I think he was aware of our existence as a unit, as part of the Defence Force, but the extent to which he was aware of the projects that were handled by us, I cannot say.  I hear what you're saying, but I think that question can be answered by the General.