UNKNOWN
His first statement is in the first pages, 
page 299 and then it is placed again at a later point in the same 
bundle but I will refer you to these statements.
	The applicants has also mentioned that during those long 
hours of questioning, alcohol was given to him.  That was 
confirmed.  One can also see on one of the video cassettes that he 
is drinking beer.  The applicant said that he could have been given 
sedatives because the alcohol effected him quite severely.  
	But the most important aspect is that Captain Deetliefs 
tricked the applicant with his lies.  The applicant then provided 
these details as appears in the hand-written documents but the 
applicant testifies that Deetliefs always, with everything that he 
said, sketched it or sketched the applicant's words to be more 
sensational in order to qualify what Deetliefs was actually looking 
for.
	The applicants was continuously questioned by Mr Bizos 
and especially as I understand, it was to prove this larger 
conspiracy and that the applicant was not making a full disclosure 
and so it was put to the applicant that he had reconnoitred 
Mandela's home and that is why Mrs Beyers was called, in order 
to prove that the applicant was telling lies when he said that he 
had reconnoitred Mr Mandela's home.
	According to the statement of Mr Deetliefs he said, and 
that is R4, 306 continued and 361, where he says especially on 
page 361 in the middle, that would be the statement which 
Deetliefs had written but it was written as if it was the words of 
the applicant
		"Rekkies was also done on Mandela's house.  I 
thought the old goat was not worth it"
But nowhere, on one of those cassettes, there are 10 cassettes 
which have bearing on Mr Walus, this does not appear on one of 
those cassettes.  
	As it appears in this statement from page 306, the 
Honourable Committee will note that 301 or 304 and 305 are the 
typed versions of the hand-written notes.  From page 306, 
Captain Deetliefs went to a lot of effort, he wrote his statement 
and then there's a question
		"Captain"
and the question follows, then it says
		"Walus"
and then there's an answer that follows.  Where are those notes 
from which he would have retrieved this information? 
	He could not submit this to the Honourable Committee 
because what was said there never was said in fact.  And it is also 
said in various places in the statement that the applicant was 
warned according to Judges' rules.   It does not appear on the 
cassettes and it won't, it cannot because the Honourable 
Committee must understand and it was conceded by Advocate 
Brand, that the applicant had been misled.  Captain Deetliefs 
could not have warned him because they were busy with 
clandestine discussions where Deetliefs would be assisting the 
right-wingers, why would he warn them then?
	In my heads I submitted to the Honourable Committee that 
Captain Deetliefs was a liar and that he's nothing else but that 
and that the video cassettes and the statement are proof of that.
	The applicant told the Committee that at a stage he had 
driven past Mr Mandela's home at that point and the translation it 
would appear, the English of the applicant in the statement is 
quite clumsy, one does not know how the translation came 
through from the Polish to the English but he said that it was put 
to him - I don't have it here at the moment, it was asked of him 
how he managed to obtain the address of Mr Mandela and he said 
- and he continues, I must concede, but as, and there is such 
proof, the home of Mr Mandela appeared in the Citizen 
Newspaper and according to the applicant he drove past simply 
out of curiosity.
	I submit to the Honourable Committee that the target which 
they had discussed and which was pointed out by Mr Clive Derby-
Lewis was only Mr Hani and not Mr Mandela.
	It was also put to the applicant during cross-examination 
and it is also supported, that there was a conspiracy to murder 
the others whose names appeared on the list - and I refer to R4 
on page 308, where Captain Deetliefs once again - this is point 2 
on page 308, once again it is
		"Captain"
I have never seen a policeman make this kind of statement, 
nonetheless
		"Captain Cuba, do you think there is a 
possibility that others on the list could 
still be eliminated after your arrest"?
then it is
		"Yes, they are all bastards.  The one is only more 
dangerous than the other one.  Clive is a guy with 
balls, he will know what to do.  You must know, we 
saw it as a war situation, a political issue"