FERDINAND BARNARD
I do not know anything about that, Mr Chairperson.  I just know about how we worked on grassroots level, how we got to know people.  Like I said Mr van Zyl, Mr Botha, how we had contact with each other.  It was not encouraged, and we shouldn't have done it, but I cannot know a person for a long time and not talk about it.   We were not supposed to discuss our projects with each other, which we did.  Mr Chappie Maree, Wouter Basson and Mr Staal Burger, I never had contact with them, within the organisation and during that time and even before that, in 1988, I saw Chappie Maree at a social level, at a party of a hotel owner in the East Rand, I saw him there once.  He did not know where I was working and he did not know where I was working, so we never discussed matters like that.
	I had no contact at all with anybody else but Slang van Zyl and Calla Botha.