CHAIRPERSON
Mr De Kock, I would just like to refer you to a portion of the Volume 1 paper of the papers.  This is relating to the first incident of the supplying of arms because after that, Gen Duli was arrested and charged with being in possession of arms, is that not so and then he was released on bail and then, while he was out on bail, the coup, the failed coup attempts took place in Transkei, is that correct or don't you know?