MR VAN BREDA
We were instructed, we could not locate Mr Gonya in order to take instructions and to consult with him because we had to go with him to the scene.  As I said we saw him for the first time on Monday and we even appointed private investigators to try and locate him and it was really a task and my learned friend over there can confirm that, to reach and to get hold of him, so on Monday 31st January was the first time that we made contact with our client.  There's no telephone number for him, nothing at all.