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Mr Patel, I agree with you, but one has to view that in context to the initial instructions that came from Mr Luthuli, which was to try and make sure that they regained control of the area in Ermelo.  But I do agree that the applicant did testify that Mr Noah had initially drawn a list of the ANC leadership and he went on to, I think, state the names of the leadership who were in that list which was not a written list, but it was nevertheless provided to him orally.