MR KAHANOVITZ
Mr van Zyl, I am not only talking about you, I am talking about the risk that using someone like Mr Barnard would have, to the interests of the military establishment.  In other words, I can understand if you say "well, if some gangster from the Cape Flats get arrested outside Adv Omar's house, you can say this person's got nothing to do with us, we know nothing about him", if Mr Barnard gets arrested outside Adv Omar's house, well, you cannot do that?