ZWELIYAZUZA GWENTSHE
I did not see what he did, but Mzimkulu saw it, because he was the one arrested with his brother.  That is why in my written statement I did not talk about Mzimkulu and Irene, because the arrangement was that I was coming here to talk about Alcott and Mzwandile.  Mzimkulu was going to talk about himself and Irene.  Now that Mzimkulu and Irene had passed away, the family decided to send me to represent all of them.
 Let me come now to the torture on Mzwandile, on Comrade Mzwandile Gwentshe by Donald Card.  Mzimkulu said that in 1995 Mzwandile was assaulted in Fort Glamaken by Donald Card.  He was torturing them saying that they are doing things, because their father was the President of the ANC.  When he was kicking them Comrade Mzwandile would collapse and faint and with information, Mr Chairman, from reliable sources I am inclined to believe one of the prominent leaders, ANC, like Steve Tshwete, who was incarcerated, who was together with Mzwandile and Mzimkulu Gwentshe can come here and testify on what I am saying.  He can come here and confirm this.