BERTWELL BHEKI NDLOVU
I don't remember him putting it that way.  What he said was that he had peeped out of a toilet window when he saw us meeting these girls.  He said I had a shotgun and my colleague had an HMC.  He was not able to specify the guns but he was just describing them.  He said we molested these girls, but in actual fact I did not molest anyone because if I remember correctly, ME Ndlovu started playing with a child that this girl was carrying.  And then we left these girls, and thereafter met Bongane.
	These girls had already disappeared by that time.  The girls even mentioned when testified that they had heard gunshot from far away, and when they turned they saw that this boy had been shot.  I think that was her testimony.  But what this person said was not the truth because he peeped out of a window, and that window was very small, he couldn't have seen.