ADV DE JAGER
Well on the other hand, if he's not giving 
evidence here and he's not cross-examined, Mr Coetzee for 
instance, then his evidence cannot be used against the present 
applicants.  If the present applicants do not give evidence against 
Mr Coetzee in his application and he hasn't had the opportunity to 
cross-examine them, then we as a committee can't use their 
evidence in motivating a refusal of his amnesty application 
because he didn't have the opportunity to cross-examine.