DR RANDERA
Olga, in your statement, I just want to finish your story about your brother David.  You said that he was in fact shot at about 7:30 in the morning and by the time you got to the hospital when he was still in the back of the caspar, it was 13:30, half past one in the afternoon.  And David told you certain things, can you tell us what happened?  So in fact, it took the police almost five hours to take him to the hospital, is that right?