MR VISSER
Okay.  And then we come to the incident concerning the shooting of City Mzuzwana's brother and we now know that that is Matthew.  Now, apparently, if I remember correctly, there was some evidence that you gave about Mamome coming to you, it was just past five in the afternoon and he said, Boysi, I received a telephone message from Shaw which informed me of a meeting of Mico at the AME Church.  Do you remember that?