MR STEWART
Thank you Mr Chairperson.  The position taken by Mr Luthuli has been one where he accepts moral responsibility for all the activities that the Caprivi trainees were involved in, even where he didn't know what those activities were, or may not have given orders in relation to them.  But that's at a broader level.  But in respect of amnesty in particular, he can only, in my submission, apply for amnesty in respect of offences which he, for which he himself might be convicted, and so where some of his Caprivi trainees have gone and done certain things that he knew nothing about and hadn't specifically ordered them to, he would be a step removed, and the prospects of conviction on those things would be negligible ...(intervention)