ABRAM VAN ZYL
I agree with you Chairperson, but I once again want to sketch it out for you that our employers' tax and our UIF, I don't know if they subtracted it back then, but our tax was already deducted by the Army before we received our salaries.
	It was not the function, as I understood it, of Mr Matthysen to subtract this amount of money.  Mr Matthysen in all probability, as I see it, only facilitated us by giving us cover.  In other words myself and Staal and Calla and Chap, could give our then colleagues at Brixton and other people that we knew, in a fraudulent manner, pretend to be employees of Matthysen and Matthysen would then confirm this.
	We didn't do any work for him, for which he had to compensate us.  We got our compensation or our money from the Treasury.