MR NGWENYA
I would say that most of the police who were here and who were alleged to have perpetrated those times, are still around but one thing you know, I don't want to generalize.  It's not all police who were involved and without any brief from the current Captain Beukman, I think, when he came here after the then Station Commander was transferred, things became much better.  We started to develop a relationship with him.  We could go to his office.  I could see he was also a bit confused about what was happening because, you'll understand these things better.  The uniformed police and the security branch worked in different fashions, in different ways.