JEFFERY T BENZIEN
As before the lunch adjournment, I know at the time of your arrest, was Liebenberg, myself.  I am not sure if Nel was there, I know Sergeant Bellingham was there and I think Sergeant Goosen.
	Members of the Commission if I may say this at this stage, this (indistinct) method that I used, I normally or as far as I can remember, would do it alone, with my victim in a room.  The reason for that was that inadvertently at a trial it would be brought up as evidence which I would deny and if I had nobody doing it with me, then it would have been my word against the complainant.