PROF DE KOKER
Thank you Mr Commissioner.   Thank you Mr Chairman.  On the same page, page 40 just of over half way.
	Mr Smiles, in June '96 you further told the Truth and Reconciliation Committee the following:    (transcriber's own translation)
"But you see I have no experience of this type of thing and when we went up it was all right and when we got there the petitions were handed over"
Further on:
"Then there was sign that I must throw this grenade and he lay down at the same time, so when I threw it I was weak.  I had had no experience of this type of thing"
Did you have no experience of this sort of thing?