SERAME MOLEFE
Okay, I'll do so.  When I came there they wanted to know, the very person I say identified himself as Shaw, wanted to know more about the 16 bullets, then I said: "Okay, you have arrested me with the bullets and you know my name, you came to Serame and Xhosa I admit, that's myself and that I am a member of the PAC".
	Beyond that really there was nothing I was going to say.  "Charge me with the bullets which are in front of you".  Okay, then that infuriated them and their aggression against me started, you know, coming.  I was clapped, you know, hit with a fist by the very man Motsamai.  I regard him as a collaborator in the whole thing.  I did not ...[indistinct] of his participation, I wouldn't have been where I was because of his reports through the years.  So even if he did not on that day, physically, psychologically he has played his part.  And I told them then that: "Okay, according to International Law, okay, I've just told you that and unfortunately do whatever you want to do".  Then they were saying to me: "...[no translation] with MK.