PIETER JAKOBUS GOUWS
Chairman, that is possible, I am not able to judge that.  I as a outsider, who is not sitting in judgement now but trying to relive a period of time when you see leading political figures going on TV telling their followers to kill the Boers, to kill the farmers, I think it is creating a scene in your mind that you easily connect what is going on with a political orientation, because my experience is and as a leader of persons too, that through what you say and what you kind of indicate through saying it and the way in which you are saying it, your followers may interpret it as a direct order, very, very easily and they may not even be trained followers, they may be even people sitting on the sidelines - may see this as a ... (tape ends)  it is part of the total goal, the total broader goal, they are a very minor part of.