MUTHEIWANA GABRIEL RAMUSHWANA
At that time, I can't remember.  Because I was based at Head Office.  I used to go and attend to my subordinates activities, find out what was happening and then go back.  But when Sifuwa was removed from there I took charge.  Then I had an office next to the Ramaligela's offices and that is where I could hear the screams and then I would then go and find out what was happening there.