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evidence.  The first one is that there was a plan to 
eliminate Ngqulunga, apparently and that was the - what Capt 
Mentz testified about that he heard later, apparently 
because there was a worry that he would become scared 
because of the false evidence that he gave in front of the 
Harms Commission.
	Nortje also secondly, confirms the fact that there was 
a second reason for killing Ngqulunga,  and that is that he 
was a person who was giving information to the ANC.  He does 
refer in his evidence to that fact.  I can point that out to 
you.  
	Then thirdly, the evidence indicates that people high 
up in the security headquarters knew exactly what happened 
in this incident, with Ngqulunga.  
	Fourthly, Mr Chairman - pardon, I lost the point now.  
If you could just bear with me.  If you could just bear with 
me, Mr Chairman.  Oh, the last point was that there is also 
evidence in this record pertaining to the fact that De Kock 
wanted the people who were involved in this matter, that is 
Bellingham, Botha, Baker and Mentz, and especially Baker and 
Bellingham, to be tied up with an incident such as this, so 
as to have a hold over them.  That is the gist of what I 
wanted his comments on. I can, however, just hand it in and 
deal with that in argument, if the Committee doesn't deem it 
necessary to hear any evidence on this.