PHILLIPUS CORNELIUS KLOPPERS
That was in 1995 in December, in Johannesburg in Diepkloof.  We had a visit from the Generals in staff, not everyone was present, but he was there.
	Gen Oelofse along with Eugene Terreblanche, Gen Etsebeth, the rest I cannot remember.  For me it was a point of concern which arrived via Deon Martin that on the outside it was said that we had behaved like naughty children and for me that was taboo, because I acted absolutely according to the way in which it was expected of me by Gen Oelofse, and I put it to him as such.