JOHANNES AFRICA MASWENG HLAPO
Ja.  On that, this Ms Umsotho was a State witness, that I want to mention before anything and it is a known fact in South Africa, State witnesses were literally being taught how to talk even if they don't know you.  Like in the case of - in my case, Carol Plaatjies didn't know me, Carol talked about me in the court because they were shown photos which were taken in detention you see.  So that when you talk about this person, when you point that person you must point a person whom you were shown before.  So what she is saying I dispute it and I was there.  I am the one who pulled with other people Mr Jansen out of the car and he sat next to a petrol can.