CHAIRPERSON
I think we are afraid, we feel we must proceed because we need to finish this application and I think that we should proceed with one of the applicants and it must be, one of you must decide to call his client and if nobody does, we will direct that such and such a person be called.  We wouldn't like to do that, but we operate on the basis that everybody, when you all came here this morning, everyone was prepared to proceed with the matter.
	And Mr Booyens, you appear for both, you appeared for Mr Van Rensburg, you are also appearing for Mr Nieuwoudt?