MR MARTINI
Not necessarily, the Respondents are contending that there was a five point plan.  Now Mr Bizos referred to this case where they say it was a Region 9 project involving this five point plan.  We know Mr Barnard, who I didn't question, says: "Well, Mr van Zyl told me this was part of a five point plan".  There is substantial prejudice, but I can't ...(intervention)