LAURENS MBATHA
Sir, I'm sorry to say, this arrangement as I've said, it's an arrangement that is known and it is linked because we cannot just make any contact with Transvaal Road.  I did mention that the whole thing was indicated is with Generals, so they have a way of communicating it down, you can't just go there.
	We went there on the basis that we are bringing Smiles because this was said - the arrangements I've explained it yesterday, so when we arrived there the man came out because I remember Rodney said: "We have brought Smiles now", the man said: "No, we don't need him, the ANC can do what it likes with him", that's all.