MR VISSER
Yes, Chairperson, that is my submission, on the probabilities, that is if you find that there's some reason not to believe the applicants because their evidence in this regard stands uncontested.  The only thing that could contest their evidence would be a clear probability to the contrary and what I'm submitting to you is that their conduct was, according to the probabilities, the only inference you can draw is that it was compatible only with an intention to arrest.  Why would Botha shoot at the rear wheel of the car?  He's applying for amnesty and he was asked many questions and it was put to him and I'll refer you to the pages just now, that he did nothing wrong.  He applies for amnesty in regard to the killing of these four people.  He could, if that was the truth and if those were the facts, he could have just told you:  "I fired at the occupants of the car", but what he said is something different.  He says:  "I fired at the left rear tyre.  Some of my shots could have gone into the car, I don't know.  To this day I don't know whether they did or didn't and whether I hit somebody or not."  So Mr Chairman, I can take this matter no further other than to submit, as I've already done, that the evidence of the applicants stands uncontested in this regard and unless you find that there's a probability which is so inherent, improbable in their story that they cannot be believed, then I submit Mr Chairman, that you would accept that version.
	And of course Mr Chairman and Mr Lax could possibly help us, there are many exit routes from KwaMashu.  I'm told, Mr Chairman and I don't want to give evidence, but I'm told that if you wanted to put up roadblocks from that house in all directions, it would have been virtually impossible.  Mr Chairman, the reference is at page 482, the ramming of or the attempted ramming of the vehicle, 482, in the middle of the page it says:
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