NORMAN ARENDSE
Mr Cerqueira died at 11H30 on the Thursday night, that's also apparent from Annexure G, the very first page comes out of the docket.  There's also the possibility Mr Chairman, that the specimen could have degraded over this period of four years or so but my point is - which I would like to make here, that it doesn't require this Committee to make a finding, it's not particularly material.  The reason for that is Gqomfa - he's accepted responsibility, he's said: "I shot the man and I killed him"