DJ MKHIZE
No.  I would not know, because it was not Duloxulo Luthuli to whom I spoke about starting this structure.  But I also indicated and referred to other people such as Gideon Zulu and I also spoke about the Minister Mzimela who was then General Secretary of the Kwazulu Legislator, MZ Khumalo, and he was then personal assistant to the President of the IFP.  And therefore I would not say that it was Mr Luthuli only who did this on his own.  And because of the reasons I have already stated.