N JACK MENERA
Right I am going straight to that.  I already said that as the underground structure we sat together and planned, Mr Morgan Phelane, Susan Phelane and Edward Phelane and his gangster Bhuto Rabamutsi and them were supposed to be removed from the society and we agreed as the group of the underground structure of the ANC.  We left on the 14th of July in 1991, we went to the shop where we knew that Mr Phelane and Susan Phelane, they were always in that shop. We didn't have a doubt.