COMMISSIONER
in the KwaZulu Government was approached and asked about him, what they thought of him, they said, well, that they thought he was a good shot.  Now, there are many people of this calibre in the police.  We think of people like Eugene de Kock, who was recently - yesterday was convicted of six murders, various charges of attempted murder, 66 counts of fraud, and other charges, and really Mvuyane was not very different from a man like de Kock.  And it is - as I said, he enjoyed great popularity amongst the police, amongst the KwaZulu Police, and it is disconcerting to think that those police who supported him and were loyal to him are still members of our police force today, many of them in senior positions.