MR KINCAID
Mr Chairman, I don't think there is a basis in the Hansel incident which was the other incident which involved, where goods were actually recovered because none of the applicants were convicted of robbery of any other items except the twelve bore shotgun but their case is that they can't whether items were taken or not because they didn't see the removal of those items and they can categorically state for the Committee that they personally didn't involve themselves in taking any item other than an armed weapon.
	Mrs Marulia at that incident, as items were taken and that's not placed in issue by the applicants but their case is solely whether you believe them or not that they didn't take any of those items themselves.