MR GERBER
Each one of the investigators,  even the two black investigating officers took part in the torture.  They helped us to suspend Samuel from the tree.  One or two people would not have been able to do that.  They helped us  to do that.  That afternoon when Oosthuizen fired the shot  they were present, but we did not shoot to kill him.  Oosthuizen's defence was that he wanted to frighten him and that was the only time when a shot was fired with the two black investigating officers being present.