PHILEMON KABILA MAXAM
As she was giving us the water and I had the glass in my hand, then I asked her to open the door.  I could talk to her face to face as she had opened the window.  There were others standing around me as well.  I said to her we were armed, but even though I am armed I have not come to shoot anybody, but to defend myself, because what we wanted were weapons.  During that exchange of words I think Madoda Tisana grabbed the lady.  He grabbed the lady because she was refusing to open the door.  This lady screamed.  As I was just next to Madoda I took out my gun as she was screaming and I shot inside.  As I was shooting I was pointing towards her even though I did not realise that when Madoda let go of her, I thought that she had fallen down.  The others had broken the kitchen door down.
	Crosby then said I must not shoot this person.  I could not hear well though, but I went inside the house.  This lady was lying down next to the cupboard.  We went inside into the bedrooms.  I went into the bedroom actually where we searched cupboards, kists, under mattresses, under beds and anything that was a container, because we wanted these weapons.  One of the drawers in the dressing table, I got a red box.  I realised that there was something inside.  I opened this box, there were bullets inside.  I put them inside my overall.  I heard someone saying that we must beware.  When they screamed out we got out running.  I had not realised that I had shot this lady already.  I shot at her again, because I did not want her to be able to identify us if the police came or the neighbours.  The gardener was outside.