MR VISSER
From my side, Chairperson, your comments are highly appreciated.  I understand your anxiety and I understand the depth of your feelings about your loved ones, I'm not asking you about that.  I would like to know why you think that these people have lied to this Committee.  They say they took those people, including Mbulelo, from Lesotho.  Those people became informers, they're not even sure whether Mbulelo did become an informer, they took them back to Lesotho and they would have heard from them again.  You say they're lying.  Your evidence is that you saw him in February and you never heard from him again.  Nobody is saying you're lying.  Why do you say they are lying?  That's what I want to know from you.