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You confirm Mr Erasmus and du Plessis and van Rensburg's testimony in this regard, regarding the general circumstances.
	Now if we can go direct to Mr Sizwe Kondile's matter.  I want you, as far as you can remember, and if you can't remember certain aspects from memory just tell me, please tell us what exactly you had to do with Mr Kondile?  I am sorry, first I want to ask what was your rank in 1981?