PHILLIPUS JOHANNES CORNELIUS LOOTS
Mr Chair, it was clear to me that he had reasonable political insights, for example the United Democratic Front was known to him - the sub-structures thereof.  For example the Congress of South African Students, COSAS, the Mamelodi Youth Organisation and I don't want to say that he also mentioned the African Women's Organisation but his insights into these organisations at that stage that were very active, he had insight into and he had good working knowledge thereof.