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His blue plan wasn't very successful, yes.
	Now - well on his evidence neither his blue nor his red plan were very successful but he got R200 000 which is really five years salary.  Five years salary, Mr Chairperson.  What was that for?  To keep his silence, to keep his loyalty, not to tell the world what he had done.  What top executive gets five years salary?   I'm informed by my learned friend who does a lot of labour work that he would have been entitled one week per year.  So would have had one and a half weeks pay and they may even have taken the point on him that he only is entitled - not entitled to a part of a week, it has to be a completed week.  So that that should be added on the scale on our submission as to whether these were employees or not, Mr Chairperson, or possibly contract workers.  Have I given you the references for 28.2, Mr Chairperson?