SATHYANDRANATH RAGUNANAN MAC MAHARAJ
The disappearance of Charles Ndaba and the subsequent disappearance of Mbuso Shabalala was a problem for us.  We were satisfied by Tuesday the 10th of July that these two had definitely disappeared.  They had not conformed to the regular practice that if you went out on work, you came by the appointed time and reported back and if you failed to make the appointed time, you had a fall-back arrangement.  The fall-back arrangements were not too far apart.  If they were made too far apart, they would have no sense.  I was in constant communication with Siphiwe Nyanda who was in Durban while I was in Johannesburg at that stage.  We were clear that these two people had disappeared.  Now the question was, how had they disappeared?  So far as I knew in different places their circumstances of disappearances has now been unearthed.  Ninela, who everybody says was the arresting person, askari, says in his affidavit that he was with Goodwill Sekakane.  It's a sworn affidavit.  I think its an exhibit here.  Why he doesn't ...(intervention)