MR LOWIES
No, no, that was the evidence as a fact, yes, but I'm not referring to that incident.  My recollection of the evidence is the following, that they were only informed, the attackers, afterwards that Mr Themba Khosa was happy about the attack and he does not know anything regarding the meeting where Khosa allegedly was.  As you will remember the other applicants testified.  That's how I have it.