BERNARD MAKGABO NGOEPE
I think we need to be a little bit more careful with the facts here Mr Visser, actually you are not putting to him what the TRC said.  What you are saying is, you put it to him, which is not contained in the papers, you are saying to him: "If a person would have been assaulted with a hammer, with hammer ...[indistinct] it's ...[indistinct] of that time, you would have been incapacitated or died".
	Now that is not contained in those papers and at any rate what you're putting to the witness, if this needs to be stated is factually incorrect.  It would depend on the intensity of the assault, the intention of the people.  If they did not want to kill him but just to torture him, they would know where to hit him with the hammer, maybe three four times with intervals.  
	You make a very sweeping statement that he would have been killed.  It's not necessarily correct, it depends on so many factors but anyway the witness has answered.