EUGENE ALEXANDER DE KOCK
There was also another part, it was two questions, regarding white people being killed Chairperson.  There are now millions of white people saying that they had fought for the ANC and that they had supported the ANC, this is not the case.  Where myself and my people fought, we found black MKs and black people, but in 1985 in December, a white woman had died in Lesotho in a skirmish, where she died in cross-fire, she was the wife of the senior MK member in Lesotho, the Commander of MK in Lesotho.  I know that we were looking for Damian de Lange who was an MK member in Swaziland, on occasion we just missed him, we were drunk that evening, we just missed him, we would have shot him if we had found him and we also looked for Mr Kasrils on occasion where we received information that he was there.  I smuggled some of the askaris through to Swaziland and we went to go and look for him, so the white people that we could reach, who were MK members, we did try and get to them.  There weren't really white people who were fighting for MK Chairperson, although as I say now all of a sudden there are two million white people who fought for MK.