CHAIRPERSON
I am going to interrupt here Mr Dreyer, unless you feel otherwise, I think we must put an end to this thing.  We can't keep on mentioning people's names, particularly in the context of death squads and all that kind of thing.  I am going to ask you Mr Kriel, you say you were told this by Mr Terreblanche that Mr Oelofse was in charge of a group of people whose task it was to kill others?