DJ MKHIZE
It must be remembered that we were arrested first.  That is in August.  Romeo was arrested in July.  And at the time Mr Luthuli was still outside.  Mr Luthuli was at the time one of the people that we were looking up to to keep promises so that we could be assisted legally and in any other way.  And also he had his own friends at the time, as I have already indicated.  And therefore we were still waiting and as we were in court at Mtunzini and he kept coming to court.
	I remember one day he came in the company of Lesley Mkulisa, another Caprivian and my girlfriend referred to earlier on.  They came to see me.  We discussed this.  He is the only leader among the leaders with whom we were working who still came closer to us at the time.  He still had the courage to come to court because people did not know him at the time.  And he would come to court and find a way of speaking to me.
	And he also indicated that he too didn't know what to do.  And we wondered how, because we had a situation.  And he said one day that the people wanted to attack him as well.  And I started not understanding what is happening.  And I'm trying by so saying to explain that Mr Luthuli according to me remained behind and experienced some pressure which did not enable him to communicate with us as well as he ought to.
	And we ultimately took the decision to expose the truth.  I can therefore say that myself and Mr Luthuli jointly took the decision.  We then therefore brought him closer because he was still the only person coming to us.  And that was because they wanted him to ride the bus as well.