ADV BOOYENS
Well, not all the time.   I think Mr Jones told us that he had to stand on some bricks with some chairs.   Mr Chairman I don't really understand the point of the question but I'll try to answer it.
      The Security Police could have, throughout all the years that they were dealing with the Liberation Organisations, could have treated all the people that they questioned as well as, I wouldn't say counsel, I would say attorneys, because I understand they are more decent than we are treat their clients when they take instructions from them.   Yes, they could have done that, then we wouldn't have needed this Commission.