MR WILLS
Sorry Ms Chairperson, I must come in here.  My position Madam Chair, with the greatest respect, is that from my consultations with the applicant, it is clear that he didn't understand the implications of the Act, what the processes were.  I wouldn't go as far as saying that he wasn't told some things, because as I indicated, I wasn't there at those consultations, but what I am saying and what is clear to me is that up until recently, he does not understand the implications of that Act.  It was in that context that he gave his evidence, thank you Madam Chair.