MR JACOBS
Now tell me again, I would say that you are not telling us all the truth in terms of who was all there, because on the day when I was brought in, it was Goosen specifically who said this man is laughing and then Liebenberg's words were don't worry, they will all sing like birds later.
	Now I want to hear you saying, if I was the first torture victim, how could Liebenberg have said that?  ... (tape ends) ... before me, could have been tortured?