CHAIRPERSON
We are quite aware of that from his evidence, and from the evidence of Mr Mabusa Mhlongo, and definitely from the evidence of Mr Khumalo, but where does the evidence of Mr Mkhwanazi leave us in this regard?  What weight should be attach because Mr Radebe inasmuch as he ultimately became second in charge he was a Johnny come late into the unit as it were, and Mr Mkhwanazi was well know.  All the witnesses who came in to testify in support of their applications were saying they knew Mr Mkhwanazi very well, they knew Mr Mkhwanazi better than they knew Mr Radebe.  But how do we, how do we account for a serious mistake which relates to not only the structure, but the chain of command?