MR VISSER
Exhibit J.   Just to explain the background to this document, Chairperson, I didn't want to have that photocopied as well, but it is in the police docket, in the police diary under Section C, there is an entry which says
"During 1994 to 1995, Capt de Jongh had a discussion with one, Jimmy Mbane, who was a former member of Vlakplaas.  Notes were kept."
and it refers to B1.  Now the document before you, Exhibit J, you will see is B1, Chairperson, so this ...(intervention)