MR DLAMINI
18B/17 "are you?"  I said, "I'm Madikizela".  I (?) said, "There's a boy who died in Dinage and we realised that we had to take this boy.  I went with a boy who looked like this mother.  I said who she is.  She said she came from Bizana.  Where we are we're not calling ourself by each other's name".  He said, "If you are looking for this boy, you are going to try another name called Dawu".  I didn't ask who her home name was.  I came back to Umtata.  I came back to Durban, because I'm still her in Durban because of my life.  I went to the soldiers.  I went to Point soldiers.  I reported this matter to them.  They phoned APLA.  They phoned the person who is in charge of APLA, and I was told that he wasn't there.  They said I must leave the telephone number where I stay, and I left this telephone number.  I came back to these soldiers in Smith of ANC.  When I arrived there they said it would better if I was bringing his photograph so that they can look at the photograph.  Indeed I went back.  I brought back his photograph.  The first person took this photograph and looked and nodded - I mean shook his head and went to other people, and asked them if, "Didn't you see this boy in exile?"  They said, "Well, his face is familiar.  I think we've seen him.  But when we parted in different directions, because others went for further education and others went to different training".  They said, "Maybe he's furthering his studies.  We're not sure".  I came back.  I was very worried.  There was a burial - there was another Madikizela's funeral.  When we came back I tried to meet Winnie Mandela.  She didn't want to meet me.  She got into the car.