MR VISSER
Thank you Mr Chairman, Visser on record.  Mr Chairman, while we're on the subject, if I may be permitted to give you a feedback on what had happened?  	Mr Botha has made contact with one of the informers telephonically.  He has expressed his intention not to cooperate, not to enter the arena quite vehemently Mr Chairman.  In fact he feels that he's been sold out having listened to radio reports and having read the press.  Mr Botha has asked me to tell you that he is keeping the discussion alive or he is attempting to do so.  He is still trying to lay on a meeting.  It is clear that the person is not interested in having Mr Wagenaar present, so Mr Wagenaar won't attend that meeting.  A tentative arrangement has been made about two weeks hence.  Once that happens or if it doesn't happen, we will certainly inform you.  At the present time, the status is Mr Chairman, that if one of the two is going to be unwilling to participate in the proceedings, it is reasonably obvious that both of them won't, but he hasn't contacted the other person.