MR JANSEN
And Mr van Rensburg on page 8 of Volume 1 in his statement at the bottom part, also confirms that you met Coetzee and Roy Otto there.  Can you explain how from 10 o'clock in Jeffrey's Bay till 6 o'clock at Komatiepoort, how did that happen?  That was - how did you do that?  200 kilometres per hour, it was eight hours.