DR RANDERA
Thank you, Mr Thelele.  Mr Thelele you are taking us back to 1974.  At the time, sorry, let me just.  At the time of the Messina Advisory Board.  Mr Manthata, whom I'm sure you know. Sorry, let me finish, hold on, who you know, earlier on talked about the Advisory Board as well.  Can you just take your time and tell us the important things please, of what happened to you in 1974.