MR WILLS
They - first of all the Applicant is in fact indigent.  The witness assisted in bringing him here from Sindumbele this morning.  The Applicant made his way from Matubatuba for Sindumbele yesterday.  They are not in a position where they have got accommodation overnight and so the - if they were required to be here tomorrow, it would be quite difficult but possibly I can come - I'll consult them and see - what I thought might be ...(intervention).