UNKNOWN
Mr Chairman, I refer you to the application, page 2, paragraph 9(a), there the applicant distinguishes between two periods, namely (a), his period at Murder and Robbery at Bishop Lavis from 1986 and (b), his period at the Terrorist Tracing Unit, from the middle of 1986 to 1990.
	If you turn to page 3, under A, period at Murder and Robbery at Bishop Lavis.  When the application was drafted, my client made it very clear in his application and I am sure you would have gone through it, mentioned that due to a lack of recollection and the fact that he received no information from the Truth Commission, he was not able to give the Committee enough information and that he could not apply for amnesty for any incidents which include any delicts.
	Mr Brink, who is to the right of me here, gave me a transcript last week, this is a transcript of the Sithlahya incident and you will see the nature and particulars on page 3 and following pages, once again, that incident my client cannot remember and therefore he cannot apply for that.
	After studying the transcript of the Sithlahya matter, there is only one sentence on page 2 where Mr Knipe is mentioned as having been involved in the assault on Mr Sithlahya.  My client is not implicated in any way in that transcript of Mr Sithlahya.
	This information came to the fore during the questioning by the Investigating Unit of the Truth Commission and there it was mentioned to my client that he was implicated.
	You will see in the application, second last page, I applied for a copy of any statement which implicates  my client, which the Investigating Unit might have in its possession.  I don't know why, but they never provided me with any particulars, until Mr Brink read the application and saw that we had problems with information and he then gave us the transcript.  
	I accordingly want to bring it to your attention that this whole period during which my client was at Murder and Robbery, had nothing to do with politics.  So there is no question of my client applying for amnesty for any delict committed with a political objective in this period.
	He denies categorically that he assaulted Mr Sithlahya in any way, he categorically denies that in this period at Murder and Robbery, he assaulted anybody, whether with a political motive or a common criminal.
	So I would like to ask you to ignore this period so pages 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7, we can actually delete.