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When I was recruited by Anton Nieuwoudt in May 1991 I was recruited to work for the National Intelligence Service of the Ciskei.  From Bophuthatswana I came to the Ciskei and I was appointed them in Ciskei Intelligence Service.  That organisation existed before I arrived there.  At the same time I arrived there in May, end of May, there was a Ciskei Military Intelligence Service which was under Colonel Gerry Hugo.  That was part of the Ciskei Defence Force.  Because I had no National Intelligence background at that stage we were detached from Ciskei Intelligence Service to the Military Intelligence, myself and Mr Swanepoel.  We worked with Colonel Hugo to help him put up a system.  There is a long tragic incident that happened there, that resulted in Colonel Hugo leaving the Ciskei for Transkei, later being charged for the theft of money, and he left the Ciskei and the Military Intelligence of the CDF was without a head.
 At the same time Colonel Hugo exposed a number of things about the Ciskei Intelligence Service in the press which I learnt about in the press, it was in July/August 1991.  This was in fact a month and a half after I arrived there.  At that stage it became a controversial organisation, a lot of it was written in the Press about it and people from Pretoria came down to close this unit down.  It dragged on from August until the end of October when this organisation, after it almost ended in a legal debate and a 
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court case, it was closed down.  So Ciskei Defence Force Intelligence was without a head and Ciskei Intelligence Services was closed down.  So General Ulshig who was then a Brigadier in charge of the Ciskei Defence Force went to the Head of State, asked him whether he could keep myself and Mr Swanepoel behind because we are not part of any problem that will implicate, or implications about the Ciskei Intelligence Service, whether we could stay behind and get the Ciskei Intelligence in the Military, Military Intelligence off the ground.  This was agreed upon.  We were appointed in the Ciskei Defence Force as contractual members, at a much reduced salary and we continued to get the Ciskei Defence Force off the ground that year.