JAMES BARILENG THLAPI
Yes, that is my first investigation which I did in 1986.
 After that, after that I was able to see that those others were released who were imprisoned.  All the names which appeared on the files, those who were arrested under Section 29 were released.  After they were released Hilda came to the house and said - then I said since April has said, has taken Boytjie outside the window at the police at Stilfontein, taking him to other offices, CID offices.  Then he asked me didn't he come home?  I said no, he did not come KLERKSDORP HEARING TRC/GAUTENG
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home.
 Then I began to go to the ANC people, the ANC Youth League to tell them what has happened.  Then they were able to take some steps.  We went to make a statement at Khosa House, we made a statement there.  We met Mr Chris Naidoo. I don't remember the date.  We took all the comrades to that place, the witnesses who were there were five, whom I met with to Johannesburg.  They were taken to the doctor.  I don't know what happened with them at the doctor.  So they made a statement.  Then I went back to Potchefstroom.  
 After I see that it was a long time, I went again to Chris Naidoo.  When I arrived there Chris Naidoo was not there.  There was a certain lady who was helping us. We came back again.
 The ANC was able to see that it was too far, because I have no money to travel.  Then I told them that I am not able able to travel again because of lack of money.  Mr Sarties Rupa came with Mr Dlavani, who have taken that case to Johannesburg.  Then when it arrived in Johannesburg, they began to investigate again.  They were not successful that the case should be in the court.  Then Mr Dlavani tried to make it possible that it should appear in court.  Then all those rumours which appear from the police, that there are holes where people were thrown in, like Buffeldoring, James shafts.  Then they pressurised that there should be an inquest to be held in those holes.  
 We arrived there, but what was surprising that those people who had arrested my son, are those people who did those investigations there.  The divers who went deep into those waters are the people who have arrested my son.  They didn't enter for a long time, and it is quite deep.  The
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distance might be from the police station to that place.  They were four and then they took two to three minutes, and they said it is too dark and again, it is muddy, they are not able to see. 
 I was surprised that even when people came back, it appeared as if they held hands.  Then I said if you are a diver somebody should come first and the other one should follow and the other one should follow later. But they appeared at the same time. When we were in that hole looking for them.
 Then we left. Outside Dlavani said something to these people.  He said to them we will make a date where other divers should be brought who are not police people, so that they should go back to the same water, if possible. If possible, they should come back to the same water so that we should look deep and see what is the problem in there.  Because they said it is too dark or the machine should incept the water. It was not possible for them to go back.  They did not go back at all.
 We went home. Then I got another date, I was called by Abe Dlavani. When we arrived there we went to James shaft.  There were cameras at James shaft.  This shaft, as the other witness who is an ex-policeman said, this place was the place used by the police for mysterious deeds.  After he has reported that - may I wait a little bit ...?