MR ZILWA
Thank you, Mr Chairman.   Mr Chairman, as I was saying, the evidence of the applicants, all of them throughout has been that they were members of a self defence unit, an SDU.  Now they say the SDU's themselves were established by the MK which in turn is a wing of the ANC.  So in the broadest sphere, they were acting as members of the ANC in the wider meaning of that, being members of the SDU.
	Now, their evidence is of the fact that even though these SDU's structures were structures within MK and within the ANC, but they had quite a large measure of autonomy.  Now they further on go to say, when it comes to taking decisions, crucial decisions such as one issue herein.  Apparently, there was no set procedure within the SDU's as to exactly how such decisions should be taken or what should be the constitution of the SDU in taking such decisions.  Now the evidence is also to the effect that Maxhayi and Nyologana were really the leaders of the SDU's so to speak and their evidence was that when it comes to taking decisions of the nature such as the one in issue, where security issues would come up for consideration, it was not necessary, repeat - not necessary for the SDU as a whole which consisted of about fifteen people if my memory is correct, to meet and to take such decisions.