MR LAX
And - sorry, if you'd just allow me this.  Just that meeting, did you break it up into - was it a fairly structured meeting?  Did you have a business plan for how you conducted the meeting, well there are certain decisions that need approval, certain "voorleggings" would be presented to you and so on and then you had other matters that you needed to ... standard reporting?  I mean you're a General, you're not some halfwit running some cafe, you must have structured it in a way that you could make best use of that time.