CHAIRPERSON
Thank you, Ms Bosman.  I just want to get clarification on one very minor aspect.  When you gave evidence you said that you saw Mr Hadebe at about 10 o'clock on the 28th of September, this is when this incident, the day of the occurrence of the incident, you saw him coming out of the company crying and you didn't know what he was crying about.  Now you saw him crying, how did you know that he was crying?  You saw tears coming out of his ...(intervention)