MR LUBBE
So the next incident Mr Seemise, is related to on page 141 - I'm sorry, Mr Chairperson, it is in fact on 136, it follows on 136, towards the bottom.  	Second attack, where according to the evidence of Mr Hlongwane, the Black Cats were split into five groups and also received instructions to attack various houses.  Can you tell the Committee what you know about this incident?
MR SEEMISE
"If I recall correctly this refers to the second incident that took place in Davel.  It was alleged that Philani's shack had been burnt by ANC members in Davula.  This information was conveyed to me by Sugar, and that the instruction had been issued to attack those people.
		We were picked up by Chris' bakkie.  There was Papa, Stiga, Jomo, Sparks, Obed and others whose names I cannot recall.  We then proceeded to Davula.  On our arrival we alighted from the vehicle before we reached the township and proceeded on foot.  
		We went to Mr Mkhonza's house and we found him with Dingaan and others whose names I cannot recall.  There were about six of them in the house.  That is where we were put into different groups, and there were five groups in all.  I was supposed to join a group but for the reason that I did not know the area well, so the group that I would have led, it was then mixed into other groups and I ended in Mandla Maluleke's group.
		Two groups would launch the attacks.  We left, armed with petrol bombs as well as other weapons.  Group leaders were armed with firearms.  My leader, Mandla Maluleke had a 36mm revolver.  We proceeded towards the first house where we attacked.  It was a four-bedroomed home.  We broke the windows, threw petrol bombs through the windows and we thereafter left and proceeded towards the second house.  That was a shack.  We broke the windows there and threw petrol bombs inside.  Three children came running out of the house.  We chased them but could not catch up with them.  Mandla was shooting at the people we were chasing, but I do not know whether any of them were injured.
		When all the groups returned - we had been ordered to return within ten minutes, because Mr Mkhonza had consulted with the police and informed them that we would be on this mission, so they would not have to ...(indistinct) us.  There was a house that was attacked.  That house is Mr Mkhonza's neighbour which is on the same street.
		When we arrived we found that the other groups were already at that house and we learnt that when they threw the petrol bombs inside the house, the occupants of the house had tried to put out the fires.  Mandla Maluleke had then kicked the door open and we went inside.  One boy came out running from that house.  He was running towards the toilet and Sugar shot at him.  There was also an elderly lady whom we assaulted with pangas and grass cutters.  There was also another boy who tried to flee, but we caught up with him and assaulted him. 
		We had to go back because we were running out of time, therefore we returned to Mr Mkhonza's home.  Some of us returned to Ermelo on the same night and some remained in Davula to safeguard in case ANC members come to attack the house. 
		We later learnt that some people had been injured in that attack.  That I learnt when I was already in Ermelo."