MR VISSER
Mr Chairman we believe, with respect, that that's the gist of the evidence.  We could go on and make it a fuller presentation but with respect we believe that a proper basis has been laid for sensible cross-examination.  If you agree with that we will have no further questions at this time.
	I am sorry Mr Chairman my attention has just been drawn to another issue Mr Chairman and that is this, in the affidavit I see we have one clear copy here which we are going to hand up to you straightaway Mr Chairman, I wasn't aware that we have a spare copy, but there is also reference to a Jeffrey Sibiya Mr Chairman.  Now perhaps I should just ask the General about that as well.
	General in your affidavit you dealt in paragraph 3 with a person, Jeffrey Sibiya, we have no reference on the evidence on record which we obtained Mr Chairman, so we don't have further and fuller information, but do you know of a Jeffrey Sibiya who was eliminated General, and if so did you have anything to do with his elimination?