MR MBANDAZAYO
Mr Chairperson, let me put it this way.  The problem with this application is always that the applicants are always doing them themselves, they don't have assistance, they don't have the knowledge of this.  Normally they don't put what is required in terms of the law because they are lay persons.   Mr Chairperson, the application is based on their conviction for the robber and the possession of the said firearms which they robbed from Mr Franciscato.