MANDLA MOSES MTHEMBU
The evidence that there was an attack at Boipatong, I heard that on the 18th in the morning that 37 died.  I agree with that but no one told me at that time.  As I was not present it's difficult for me, Mr Berger, to know things that took place during my absence.  That is why I'm still telling the truth that I was not at Boipatong.  Perhaps I wouldn't disagree if I was told as a resident but I was regarded as a person who was safeguarding the firm and if the people were trying to do something maybe they would regard me as a person who would disturb that process.