MS COLLETT
But there could have been no political justification for them at that stage, no political justification.  The situation is, Mr Chairman, with respect, that a simple phone call to Pik Botha's office could have confirmed anything.  Did anybody attempt to do that?  No, nobody attempted it, no evidence to say that they tried to find out with any certainty that Gqozo had resigned or hadn't resigned and Mr Chairman, I would say that that's indicative of the fact that this meeting had absolutely nothing to do with politics.  The singing of freedom songs and church songs was simply a method to while away the time.  The bottom line here which is strengthened ...(intervention)