MS VAN DER WALT
That is true.  I did speak this morning to the other legal representatives.  It was not placed on record, I should have done so, but Mr Visser had a brain operation.  I have handled two applications of his which were very good.  I do not always want to come up with excuses which is why I haven't placed it.  Next time I will remember about them, but really I felt sorry for him because he simply couldn't remember and I do know that the photographs, like I have said, were faxed to us.  We never really saw the originals, but there is no real reason as to why he should shy away if this were to be Oupa Madondo.  I think he really cannot remember, he cannot remember the person's name and as to what is in this bundle, he cannot identify him according to that information.                                                 	I would furthermore like to say to you that he does apply with the law.  I do believe that his evidence was convincing.  I must say that it sounds very strict.  I should try to say in English that he did reveal all the facts satisfactorily and that he would adhere to Section 20 (ii) (b) as well as (f).  I would then, what you have mentioned to Mr Booyens, in terms of that I have also asked you that should you consider to give amnesty to both him and Mr Schoon, that they should receive amnesty as to any murder of that person.  Perhaps that can be cleared with Mr Meyer later on.  I haven't said anything about Mr Schoon.  I think his part was of such a nature that as he was saying here, it was confirmed now, therefore I don't think there was anything else that I can elaborate on as regards his evidence.  Thank you very much.