CHAIRPERSON
That's precisely.  The witness says that as a result of the meeting it was decided that they had to take the law, as it were, in their own hands and protect themselves.  In doing so, they got hold of Mr Gushu and in general terms gave him instruction and I dare say approval, as I read this document, to recruit any assistance so as to quell the violence and to do what is necessary which included armed robberies to facilitate that first instruction.  Now, unless you are going to say or argue at the end of the day that that is not true, the questioning is going to lead us nowhere.