MR VISSER
I am just wondering whether we could not spend the time fruitfully while we wait for Ms Khampepe.  At the last hearings and, particularly, at the very last one there was, again, confusion as to the documents in the matter which should serve before you and what witnesses should be before you.  Just very shortly, I do not want to go into a long story, but at that stage the approach of Mr Mpshe was that basically only the two applicants are what is necessary, but the background here is two people have been convicted and a whole number of witnesses may shed light on what you are supposed to investigate in this matter.
	I am just wondering, Mr Chairman, well, from that point of view, Justice Mall ordered that a further pre-trial conference had to be held under the Chairmanship of one of the members of the Amnesty Committee and that has not been held and I am just wondering whether it may not be an idea if one of the two gentlemen presiding today would be prepared to assist us in having a short pre-trial conference.  We may sort out, out a lot of matter which is just going to take up time later.