CHAIRPERSON
While you are doing that, we have finished with Genl Van Rensburg and we have also finished with the applicants who were at the time based at Port Elizabeth and we are now starting with Col De Kock who was based at Vlakplaas.  I think we should proceed after Mr De Kock to hear those applicants who were at that time also based at Vlakplaas, in order to maintain some coherence in our proceedings.