MR MBANDAZAYO
Yes, Chairperson, exactly.  That is what I'm trying to get at, but at the end he was asked about the medical evidence which points that according to him he shot her when he was trying, he missed her father, Mike Meyers.  And when it was pointed out to him that the way he is describing it before the Committee, the possibility is that it was his bullet which was fatal to her and he said he cannot dispute that.  That is why I'm saying, Chairperson, of course subject to whatever the Members, everybody who was here interpretation, that at the time themselves when they left with her she was not dead, which of course put it into dispute whether they would have travelled such a long distance with her, they would have travelled such a long distance without her being dead.