ADV SANDI
Can I assist here Mr Phosa, maybe to phrase the question differently.
	Mr Erasmus, when you colleagues reported to you that the abduction had taken place and that the two gentlemen Mr Mthimkhulu and Madaka were already elsewhere, was it part of the arrangement that they were going to come back to you to tell you that they've killed them or what has happened?  Where they going to come back to you subsequently?