MR KNOETZE
If I can then refer you to paragraph 9 on page 182.  On behalf of Brigadier Schoon I want to put it to you that it is his version and how he recollects it, that he did not have the instruction from the Commissioner of Police that the plan or what was discussed there, that the police would have joined in or participated.  He had the instruction to attend the meeting, the same with you.  The instruction was to attend the meeting and nothing more at that stage.  I also put it to you on behalf of the then "KOMOP", General Coetzee and the then Chief of the Security Division, General Johan van der Merwe.