MR PHOSA
Now to take it a step further, on the understanding - please, understand at all times, on the understanding that it was your belief not only now but then that the politicians were talking about - knew  the need for elimination, they need to eliminate - on that understanding, so when the decision was made to eliminate Mr Mthimkhulu and his colleague Mr Madaka, you did not expect that that decision would be disapproved of by the politicians, did you?