MR VISSER
Not indirectly, directly yes, we took part in the initial meetings that we had, certain persons were used.  Referring to the cheque of JCI, Mr Clark obtained this cheque through a, I'm not sure of the person's name, I might be wrong there, by the name of Dillis, from JCI Pension Fund.   Initially this cheque would have been used for the purchase of two-way radios for the cause.   As I've said in my paragraph 8, that this cheque was banked on the 30th of March, prior to the murder of Mr Hani, and I must also just make a small correction here, is that at that stage that we were not aware of the fact that there was such an action going to take place.    Nowhere in the structure, especially on the side of Constand Viljoen, were we aware that such an action are going to take place.