MR LALLA
Only one last question.  In relation to the night of the interrogation, what was unusual about the night and that's why I'm a bit doubtful whether this was not well thought of by yourself and when I'm saying yourself I'm excluding the other members.  It was rather unusual for us, we were normally interrogated in another room on the ground floor with burglar bars.  On that specific night or that specific afternoon we were taken to the first floor and it was the only afternoon that we were taken to the first floor.  I think we were taken to the first floor round about ...(intervention)