MR WEBSTER
I'm not going to reply seriatim to everything that was raised before you, Mr Chairman, because I think to do so would probably require an analysis of every other question and every other point that was raised, I'm just going to deal with some of the aspects.
	One, the so-called plan.  Information was that there was a bunch of terrorists in the house.  They've got AK 47's, they've got hand grenades, etc.  Breytenbach is the man who had the responsibility of stopping this vehicle.  Breytenbach is the man who has to arrest these people.  For my dear soul, Mr Chairman, probably it's my limited intellect that makes me not to appreciate this, but this is how I understand the situation, with my limitations.  Here are people who are carrying little toys, little hand guns, who are supposed to be at the back, behind the reaction unit.  What happens?  They see the vehicle.  They've got radios.  They don't say:  "We have seen the vehicle."  They don't have to ask for permission to stop the vehicle, if they have to stop the vehicle, but we're looking at probabilities.  They are hopelessly outgunned.  The most obvious thing to my mind is to say:  "Reaction unit, we have the vehicle in sight.  I'm travelling on the left side of the vehicle, the kombi is travelling immediately behind it, make a move, get up and catch up with the vehicle."  To me, in my limited way of thinking, that's logical, bearing in mind and never forgetting for one iota that these people are hopelessly out-gunned.  I still want to see a rational human being who pulls out a hand gun to start shooting at somebody carrying an AK47, to start shooting at somebody who is carrying hand grenades.  Even if he was shooting to stop it, Mr Chairman, logically, to my mind, you would never do that.  What does Major Botha do?  "Stop, stop."  Rolls his window down, "Stop, stop."  They don't stop, they try to ram him, he then starts shooting, then he sees flashes.  In fact, Mr Chairman, if I'm mistaking his rank pardon me, but Major Botha can't even remember whether he used all his 9 bullets that were in his magazine.  He believes he didn't.  Now Mr Chairman, when you talk of the plan, it's not a plan that went awry, it's not a plan that went wrong, as you've indicated, respectfully, there was never a plan, number one.  	Number two, Mr Chairman, there could never have been an intention or at least there could never have been a belief that these people were armed with AK47's and hand grenades, because if ever that had been the belief, none of those people would have taken that risk.