CHINOANE SIMON FARISANI
Yes, the best I want to say is that as you may know, my mother is seated over there.  She went through tremendous pain and harassment.  My wife and children, my wife is over there, she went through tremendous pain, the children still suffer from the consequences of not only the Sibasa detention but of all the detentions we went through.  You may be aware that cumulatively all those detentions led to my staying at the ...(indistinct) torture centre for treatment for almost a year in 1987.  The most painful thing for me, I am a pastor by call, I support this act around reconciliation, I supported the processes of the law that you are implementing wholeheartedly.  But, in spite of some of the statements that they are sorry, they regret, the evidence on the floor hides critical elements of information.  Perhaps I should conclude by saying what I'm saying to you I'm not saying here for the sake of amnesty or being against amnesty.  My books, 'Diary From South African Prison,' 'Justice in My Tears,' it addresses Isaac Mohape, it address Nesamari, my congregate and others.  The book 'In Transit' addresses these issues.  There's a video, 'Torture of a South African Pastor' produced by the Lutheran ...(indistinct) Federation in Geneva.  There's another video in America, 'A Remarkable Man' and another one, 'Torture, the Shadow of a Beast' and also the information that the police settled out of court in our case, I know what it means but I also know what it doesn't mean.  Now, if amnesty is based on the truth, I don't think we've heard the whole truth.