CHAIRPERSON
That can be of height, waist, whatever.  Either that, or a dressmaker can come here with a tape and measure everybody who needs to be measured, and clothing, etc.
	I think we should make arrangements in that regard.  Ms Thabethe, what is the situation relating to the dressmaker?  I believe that a dressmaker has been approached to measure certain items?  Do you have any feedback as to what the current status is, it was indicated to us that if that particular dressmaker was available, she would only be available to give evidence on Friday morning, which I don't think is very convenient?