CHAIRPERSON
But if one takes - it's always difficult to get a precise meaning for a word like "satisfy", you know what is satisfy?  You can give it a, even within itself, a stricter type of meaning or a more liberal and broad type of meaning.  And I know the general rule, we all know the general rule of interpretation, it's the signed text that counts, but if one takes a look at the English, okay that's the signed text, satisfied, and then we now want to know whether we should go the more restrictive way with regard to satisfy or the broader meaning of satisfy, and then the Afrikaans word is convince, "oortuig".  Does that not mean that the intention of, it would indicate that the intention of the legislature was ...(intervention)