MR VISSER
Mr Chairman, not - so that you don't become confused, there is also another bundle.  I'm not referring to that bundle at all at this stage.  I merely refer to this bundle, Exhibit E for reason of the fact that I want to refer you page 4, Mr Chairman.  No that, well Mr Chairman, I'm not sure whether I'm not confused here because the statements run on.  This might be the second bundle Mr Chairman which starts with, in handwriting, Statements from the docket by Eugene de Kock, page 1 to 3, Andrew Taylor page 4 to 6, have you got that in front of you?  Perhaps it should be better to mark that F, Mr Chairman, otherwise we're going to get confused.