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And Mr Chairman, just the other reason, the 
tapes were given to us, there was, at that stage the idea of having 
them transcribed.  It was taken up with the Department of Justice 
by our Attorney, and they said that the costs would be too great 
in order to have them transcribed, because they had to be re-
taped onto a tape cassette by the Broadcasting Corporation and 
there was a lot of problems involved and it could not be done Mr 
Chairman.