MR DLAMINI
Yes he was with Mudla Induna.  Chair, when I arrived there the situation was so tense and bad, such that the war was just coming drastically.  I just took the phone and then I phoned here in Hammarsdale, and then I indicated to them that this is beyond my powers.  And I spoke to one Sergeant, and I can't recall the name, I've forgotten.  He is the one who actually contacted Mudla Induna.  Indeed Mudla Induna and them arrived with John Makateni, in a van - ...(indistinct) van, and they arrived there.