CHAIRPERSON
Mr Black, we have received a number of applications as this Committee from people who were members of the former Security Police, who have now applied for amnesty, and in these applications they say it was a norm, it was a normal thing to do, to torture and beat up the likes of the applicant, once arrested.   Now my question to you is, in your submission, would you go as far as to say that we should take judicial cognisance of such facts?