MR PHOSA
No, I'm simply testing the witnesses sincerity when he tells this Commission what he did in the present instance severely affected his soul because it is - I said when I was asked earlier: "Why we are objecting", we said "This is not a political conduct as far as you're concerned, it's an action of people who were just behaving like rogues, just killing.  Now, I'm not concerned about the Kondile incident as such but it's a series of events that shows - establishes, we shall argue that these people are simply killers.