CHAIRPERSON
Just one small point.  Why in this particular incident did you not make use of cut-off people?  Did you yourself have to go to the garden and hang this foetus and put the nails in, whereas we've heard in relation to the Omar project, that you were very particular about using cut-off people, whereas here you, although it wasn't, from what I gather, your own project, but you an operative were being used directly.