MR WILLS
Thank you.  It is, it's my submission that everything that Hlongwane did in this instance was at the instruction of his leader, Zekeli Mkehle and at times he was provided with ammunition by Luthuli and assisted by South African policemen.  Obviously applicants Mkhize and Mbambo weren't involved here, and there's one incident which I'll relate to, where Ndlovu is involved on his own.
	I don't know if there's anything that the Committee wish me to expand on, apart from the rape incident, in that area, but clearly it was simply a case of Hlongwane being a member of the IFP youth, being a brave and loyal person, and a very useful member of that Inkatha youth, and him performing his function really well in his leaders' eyes, of just disrupting the community.  There are a couple of instances where I think possibly need a little more expansion and those were the ones where a, an innocent person was killed in order to lure a more prominent person into the area.  Now that's ...(intervention)