N JACK MENERA
We continued with the discussions and we as Michael never gave up.  We knew him as part of the comrades, we showed him many reasons why he should resign.  I remember that those councillors who were supposed to be elected, the people were serving on mine who were to be elected, then we called a meeting in Brandfort where we wanted the councillors to attend the  meeting so that we should explain to them that their work as councillors is not relevant without torture and assault and that happened.
	The councillors I'm talking about except Susan Phelane came to the meeting and we did negotiate with them therefore they resigned as councillors.  In the same year in 1988 Mr Morgan Phelane didn't attend that meeting. Susan Phelane didn't attend that meeting.  During that time we still intended to approach Mr Morgan Phelane that he should step down.  In 1990 we called for the Bloemfontein branch, that is the regional branch of the regional office of ANC in Bloemfontein that they should try to show Mr Morgan Phelane about his work as a local councillor.  His response to the regional office who went to approach him in the shop was that he will never discuss politics with stupids.