CHAIRPERSON
Now assuming we accept that his eyes were stabbed out, can you think of a reason other than being malicious that that occurred?  I mean it would not have occurred had they shot him, killed him, finished clinically, they didn't do that for whatever reason.  It's not quite clear why that didn't happen.  Assuming we find that the doctor's evidence is acceptable, would the stabbing of his eyes, can be considered other than malicious?