MR STEENKAMP
Mr Ismail, as far as you know, to your knowledge, was anybody every hired from outside or any specific individuals ever hired to do certain or carry out certain of these attacks or was it only people from inside your own structures that was used, attacking targets and infiltrating the country or did you hire?  I mean hiring, there was an allegation at one stage, was it Mr Mastic, that one of the persons who died in the   Pretoria bombing had certain money on him, do you know if - did you at any stage hire anybody?