MR KNOETZE
And then page 109 of the set of applications, paragraph 14, that is the application of Badenhorst.   It begins at page 108 at the bottom
"Not all of us had weapons, but Phil Kloppers gave Etienne Visser and Martin van der Schyff each a pipe shotgun (home-made shotguns).   The shotguns were provided by Japie Oelofse."
Can you see that?