MR VISSER
With respect Mr Chairman, may I assist my learned friend.  On the 11th of April of last year, certain notices were sent out by the TRC, inter alias to some 20 ex-security policemen, two of whom were Mr Nick van Rensburg who is here today for whom we don't appear today, and Mr du Preez, who is not here - who is not implicated in this affair.  The point that was taken was in an application to the Supreme Court of Cape Town, that insufficient notification had been given and that there was refusal to provide information as to what the matter was about.
	His Lordship, Mr Justice King gave a judgement in favour of the applicants, it was overturned by the full bench of the Cape Provincial Division and the Appellate Division upheld the judgment of King J and that is what happened.