MR NOFOMELA
As I had said, Sir, we had a photo of him.  The first time I saw him he was inside and I was outside near where he worked.  I was standing outside where he worked.  When he came out he went in the direction of the post office and I followed him because I could see him and Nzimande turned around and spoke to him because he had been told which one it was.  While he was talking to him I arrived and I was interrupted by talking - I interrupted them by talking to Japie.  He looked at me, I had a pocketbook inside which I had put my police appointment certificate and I showed it to him saying to him I was a policeman investigating fraud against him.  He was surprised and I asked him to accompany us to the vehicle and to the police station.  He did not refuse, came back and we got
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into the car and he got into the back seat of the vehicle.  I cannot remember correctly, but I think Mbele was driving.  He knew where Krugersdorp Police Station was but he saw us driving in the direction of Pretoria and he wanted to know why were weren't going to the police station.  I told him to shut up and took out a firearm and made him to lie flat in the car, on the floor of the car, and that is when we took him to Vlakplaas.