ABRAM VAN ZYL
That is a statement that I made, a Section 29 statement, where I said that everything was done possible to make sure that persons would not be killed or injured and it was never our intention.
	Calla made a statement, a Section 29 statement, we did not have any contact with each other.  Isgak Hardien made the same statement, Section 29.  All our statements are to that effect, but you want to hear something else, and I am not able to tell you anything else.