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The information or I received the information because the people who went there beforehand, Morapapa, then the second time he went with Able.  As to the information and when I got it, I only got it at a later stage after the operation had already ....[inaudible] that they got information from the worker who was there.  All the information came to me after the operation, that is why I'm saying I got the information in that sort of fashion.