MR NORTJE
The meeting as far as I recall, took place in the bar of the Osner hotel, where Anton and Clive Brink came to see us.  I would recall that other people were present, because I know at some stage, there was more than one meeting, but at some stage, there were other members of the Ciskeian Intelligence Service, I don't know who they worked for, but there were other persons who met us at some other stage, there was definitely more than one meeting.  This meeting could have been the following day, I am not certain, but a meeting did take place between Clive Brink and Anton, that is true.  I cannot say whether it was planned.  I would assume that they had spoken or liaised with Mr De Kock, I just know that they arrived there and there was a discussion.  I don't know ...