CHAIRPERSON
Mr Thulo, you don't have to tell me a lot, I've just asked you between two periods when you were just an ordinary Security Branch member there, doing filing and going to Zastron and Wepener and subsequently you joined this unit of four in '87, when did you know about Mageta?  It's either "when I was with the Security Branch or when I joined the four", you don't have to tell a story.