CHAIRPERSON
There is information.   We need to know who it was?  We know the people who were heading the various departments at the time, who would have given permission or if not, if they deny giving permission, was certainly would have been aware what was happening.   I would ask the commission to subpoena Colonel van Steenkamp, who was then head of the Durban Security Police;  Colonel Stadler, who visited often our house in the middle of the night to shine torches in our faces, to wake us up to make us aware of the fact that he knew what we were doing was not to be tolerated by the State.   There were various other security police who we kept bumping into during the daily course of our activities.   It became so - during the time, so much so that you would see a face that was familiar and you would smile and then a minute later you think, "Oh, My God, that was a security police person I smiled at".   They were just so pervasive, so ever, where you could not distinguish them from people that you knew just as your eyes travelled across a room.