MR HATTINGH
Mr Chairman, if I may respond.  There may very well be instances where a family member was killed by an applicant for no apparent reason.  We cannot submit any evidence, we cannot call on any witnesses, we cannot do anything to oppose the killing of a family member for no apparent reason, but still I believe that the victims are entitled to say well, our opposing of the applicant's application, we cannot say exactly on what basis, but we say at least we would like to know why he did it, full disclosure, and if there was a political aim.