MR PRETORIUS
Mr Chairman I am now going to refer to the record as from page 3501 of the evidence of Mr Moolman.  Just to place the Chairman and the honourable members of the Committee in a position at that stage the full video material that was shown, of which just a part of it was shown in front of this Committee, was shown to the witness and various points were pointed out to him that the legal representatives representing the families at that stage would raise with regard to that video material.  I do not think that it is - I do not want to show again I think it would be sufficient if one pointed to these points that were raised with this witness in the presence of their legal representatives as it was not in dispute at that stage and I can see no reason why it should be or could be disputed now.  So as to short cut the procedure of showing the video material again I can just refer to the record and place things on record as what was at that stage common cause.