MS THABETHE
Madam Chair, can I clarify what I meant?  I think we, there was a misunderstanding.  What I meant is not that he did not understand the structure, but what I said is reading from the application when asked who gave the order and he says John Radebe, and he doesn't say for example here Bonga Khumalo, he, what I'm suggesting is, it's the question to me that is not properly understood as to who exactly was he supposed to mention.
	Nevertheless on the same breath I do acknowledge the fact that if there was that problem maybe it would have been better for him to mention the three of them because it does mention John Radebe as the second in command, he does mention Bonga Khumalo and maybe it would have been proper if he mentioned Mabusa Mhlongo as well.  So, what I was saying is that the misunderstanding is on the question and the answer as to who really the commander was, because Bonga Khumalo was a commander, but not of the unit, so it's not far fetched from what he said, that Bonga Khumalo was a commander.  The only mistake is that he says he's a commander of the unit and not of the whole structure, and it's not too far fetched from the fact that he says John Radebe was the second in command.  I think that the problem is that he says second in command to Bonga Khumalo and not Mabusa Mhlongo.  That's what I meant, Madam Chair.