ISGAK HARDIEN
Mr Williams, I've told you and the Committee that at the time when I went to the hall there was no-one in the hall.  When we saw the cars moving away, I went to Van Zyl and I said: "Right, the people are now leaving, they are dispersing, there's no-more meeting going on."  I did not see the Soccer Union's meeting or any other meetings because I was not inside the boardroom or in any other building or room.