MR VISSER
Mr Motsamai, I don't want to labour this with you but let me just put this last question to you, this last proposition.  If I, as a member of Bloemfontein community, had information which I thought was vital to the Security Police, could I under no circumstances gain access to the fifth floor to go and speak to you, Mr Motsamai, if I wanted to speak to you in your office?