CARL CASTELING BOTHA
There are two reasons.  Firstly, Mr Barnard and I came into a serious confrontation because we discussed the matter, I asked him what the situation was, I said that perhaps there was an opportunity here, that we should definitely discuss it, but upon various occasions he refused to do so, to the extent that he said that he would rather go to prison instead of putting the others in the cells, and I said: "But you must understand my position", and he said that he didn't tell anybody about my involvement and he wanted to protect Joe at all costs still, because he realised that he wouldn't have Mr Verster's backing.  I left it at that.
	Secondly, I was not responsible for the project, it was not my project, I didn't want to apply alone for amnesty for a project which wasn't mine to begin with.