CHAIRPERSON
Yes, no we hear your submission on that in that regard.  As I say it appears that Mr Kincaid has actually made quite a proper concession in respect of the Clackers matter although again the Clackers matter takes on a totally different sort of turn, it's done in the middle of the day, there are three people, they go off there and on Mrs Clackers' version which seems to be unchallenged, you know, it turns into a robbery and an assault and everything else.