CHAIRPERSON
You see, it would be similar like when you say a policeman went off and raped a lady while there, part of the scene, now clearly that wouldn't be political objective except - although it happened and it was part, you know, during the incident.  I think this is what Mr Mapoma is getting at, his argument is that burning of the house is something that he submits, falls beyond the scope of granting amnesty for.