MR LE ROUX
Chairperson I was under the impression that the AWB did have complete plans to negotiate for a Volkstaat, I thought that and that was my opinion at that stage.  I was part of the planning, I didn't know about the complete planning but on my level I knew that we were called up and that were going to take part in certain operations.  I did not know what was the broader planning of the Staff Generals or of General Constand Viljoen or the CP, I did not know anything about that, but I knew they had plans, they were busy with it and that they wanted to establish a Volkstaat in that area.