DALAQOLO WORDSWORTH LUTHULI
I will make an example, because we are now talking of the Defensive Group.
	I will make an example of KwaMakutha.  This is the period when the Defensive Group was sent to the local leadership of KwaMakutha and the local leadership communicated with the Defensive Group that this area or rather they help in identifying the areas.
	The Defensive Group then went to verify whether it was as the local leadership had put it to them.   On returning, the Defensive Group reported and there was preparation for the Offensive Group to go and attack, to kill people.
	That was the very first operation that took place.  In that operation the target that we had identified, was not killed, it was women and children who were killed.
	Those people came back to report and then it was discovered that they had made a blunder.  But nothing was done about this, nothing was done to punish them.  A goat was slaughtered to cleanse them, to show that they had killed women and children in a war situation, and this was not acceptable.
	From there, things did not go as planned by the Planning Committee, that is the identifying and verification.  This didn't happen because the people that had been organised by M.Z. Khumalo, did not do exactly as reported here in the affidavit.
	That is why what happened at KwaMakutha happened in other areas as well.  Because the only person who was now responsible or who was in charge, was M.Z. Khumalo.  He is the one who now gave instructions.  
	Therefore it did not happen as put down in the affidavit.