BAREND STRIJDOM
That's correct.  We also had many discussions regarding why we were members of the AWB, I think it's important perhaps to state that.  Why we became members of the AWB at that particular time although we were still quite young, many things happened in this country's history and the purpose of the AWB was to try and stabilise or correct the situation as we saw it.  Our objective was to achieve a Volkstaat and I think we in the AWB tried everything to achieve that, we tried everything to try and achieve a Volkstaat.