MR LUBBE
It is alleged in paragraph 11, page 23, Mr Seemise, that during January to February '92, at Wesselton, Tiki Tilli Malaza was accompanied by two children and she was on her way to her sister-in-law.  One of the children, Nomza Malaza, was carried on her back.  On her way - paragraph 12, someone engaged in a conversation with her and that person presented himself as a debt collector.
	You then, accompanied by Mr Hlongwane, approached her on the basis that you wanted to ask her something - paragraph 13, you suddenly pulled a firearm, aimed and shot her, or shot at her and that you then ran away.  She was hit in the face and she sustained serious injuries.
	Paragraph 15:  The baby, Nomza Malaza, who was carried on her back was not injured.
	Now you did instruct me this morning that you've got no knowledge of this incident at all, although you've pleaded guilty and were found guilty, is that correct?