MR VISSER
Yes, and for the convenience of the Committee two quotes have been taken from the Further Submissions of the ANC to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission of the 12th of May 1997.  The first deals with the period from 1983 to 1985, and that refers to page 48 and 49 of that document.  And the second refers to the period from 1985 to 1990, and that is from page 53 of that document.  And that basically deals with the committees and the personalities involved in those activities.