ADV LOURENS
Mr Chairman, I would submit that it is reasonably possible that these people did not know what other people took and were running in all different directions.  Having regard to the fact that none of the other people were, in fact, tried in this matter.  Only number two and three were tried.  I do not know what their evidence was in the actual trial of this, in this matter, but I would submit that if they were open about what they did take, the money, quite a large quantity, and the jewellery then the fact if they had taken a video recorder or clothing, I am sure the same explanation could have been given by them for those things as well if they had knowledge of it or had taken it.  One does not really know what was, what the evidence in regard to that was.