MR NTONGA
I'm saying that the report which was received by the applicant that the policemen wearing plain clothes inside started shooting and then there was a shooting in the auditorium - he himself, outside and your reply was that that is not so.  So the question is, do you say so despite the fact that you were not looking at where Mr Pama and the security were when the two shots were fired because they were at your back and you were going to close the door?