MR MALAN
But they wanted to replace him as chairman of the ANC, you see that was the evidence of the branch.  That's what Mngomezulu said he thought the position was.  In other words he knew that there was an alliance and he gave that evidence.  he understood that the ANC and SACP were in an alliance.  Yes there was conflict, rivalry within the alliance.  The Amabuvo organised separately and they wanted to depose Mr Mkhize and to replace him with Mr Phewa.  Was that also your understanding?