MR HATTINGH
But in any event, Mr Chairman, those statements were forwarded to the Amnesty Committee.  They were received by the Amnesty Committee.  My submission would be, you can't submit various statements and all of them unsigned and then at some stage say, "Well, I now elected to make use of this statement.  Give me back all the other statements", after the Amnesty Committee have already had sight of these other statements.  And the same goes for all the other documentation and I don't know whether this is an appropriate time to mention it, but it does concern me that Mr Black at some stage of the investigations of the application of Mr Gushu acted on behalf of the Amnesty Committee in investigating this matter, and then at some stage, I don't know when, he changed alliances and became the legal representative for the applicant.  Now, that in a sense may be very obnoxious or doesn't make any difference at all, but it does leave a sense of someone who takes part in this hearing knows more than I do, and someone has at some stage taken part in the investigation, he's received transcripts of the judgments from the Supreme Court which we didn't.  He received various further information which we didn't.  He had sight of the police dockets which we didn't see.