MR FRANZSEN
Okay.  Okay, right, what happened was that we were on our way to Sterkspruit.  We were approaching this junction where, Mayaphuti junction, and then we - from the position I was sitting, I saw the two people at the Mayaphuti junction, and as we went past, I just heard the gunshots and I ducked down below - onto the seat.  And then from - I could hear there was something wrong with the vehicle ...(intervention)