MR SWART
That is correct.  If I could look at the criteria again, run through them a second time in respect of the second and third applicants and then, perhaps, just before I start with Section 20, 23, right in the beginning at Section 21C there is also, of course, the text that the applicant must make a full disclosure of all the relevant facts and I mention this one first, because there is doubt in my mind whether the second and third applicants made a full disclosure and that is specifically on the point of the other items which were not disclosed.  I know there is no conclusive argument in this regard, because there were other people involved.  It just seems very strange that in spite of the meeting which the second applicant spoke of where everybody spoke, where everybody said what had happened, discussed the matter that nothing was said and this was a group, besides the first applicant, who had worked together, who trusted each other, who had been on operations before, according to the evidence.