MR BERGER
The only evidence is that certain doppies I think they were, if I could just find the reference, it's at page 7353 of the evidence of Du Plessis which starts at page 47 of this memorandum, line 2, I asked at the top there, I said, "Can I just have that document back please" - no, no, it is the summary with tables in it.  Then I said,
"Superintendent, I have been given another copy, in paragraph 6.2 of your exhibit "Y7" you say the following"
and "Y7" for the Committee's purposes is annexure B if I'm not mistaken - yes, it's annexure B, annexure B is "Y7" and annexure C if there's any confusion was exhibit "Y1".  I say there 
"die oorblywende doppies en koeels in alle kalibers is negatief met al die wapens behalwe twee 9mm Parabellum gemantelde koeels wat as gevolg van die afwesigheid van merke en die beskadigde toestand en groefbreedte ooreenstem met een 9mm Parabellum wapen Z88, lab no 16094 of '94."
The question,
"Now according to the summary which was handed in, lab no 16094, refers to two guns which were received from marchers on the day - not received, taken from marchers on the day?"
answer,
"Dit is korrek Edele."
So, two of the exhibits which were found at the scene by Superintendent Du Plessis were linked to a 9mm Parabellum which was seized from marchers later on in the day, that very day, the 28th of March 1994.  In fact, if you have a look at page 18 of this memorandum, there's an annexure E, this is a document which was handed in by counsel for the Police during the inquest, "vuurwapens vanaf optoggangers verkry", these were the guns that were seized from marchers at one point or at one time or another during the course of the 28th of March 1994.  You'll see right at the top, "Zastawa 7.65 mm and 1 .38 tuisgemaak", those were the two guns that were found at Shell House that were retrieved at Shell House.  And then if you have a look at ...(intervention) 
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