MR VISSER
Aright.  Now I must put this to you, I'm going to argue to this Committee that your evidence in this regard, implicating Mr Ngo, is entirely untrustworthy for the reason that Mr Ngo didn't place himself on that scene but Mr Motsamai in fact is the person who applied for amnesty in regard to that event.
	At page 147 Mr Chair, of bundle A, paragraph 7.
Do you understand what I've just put to you?