MR JACK DEMONSTRATES
As far as I can remember, in my whole life of getting in and out of Sanlam Building, and in and out of Louis le Grange, never ever have I seen Nieuwoudt or him alone, except on the day he spoke about - I spoke about, when he called me in and said to me have you laid charges against me.  And if I have told him, there is no doubt in my mind, he would have had a lot of supporters to assisting him in dealing with me on that matter.  There was no need to deal with me and he didn't need to have another person.