MR WILLS
Unfortunately Ms Committee Member on the evidence I'm not able to make the submission as clearly as you frame it there.  The best that I can do is say that in the circumstances, in the context of that brutality, the probabilities are that the rape was just another act, another one of the very many acts of horror and brutality, and that it would be my submission that in view of the extent and the brutality of the violence that was happening at the time, that hypothetically had Hlongwane gone to Mkehle and said I'm going to rape these women, there would have been no objection.