CARL CASTELING BOTHA
There were certain things that they said to me that they knew of and they said: "Talk to us about this".  Basically, they led me regarding certain aspects, and I also asked them, I said: "Do you know about this?"  It was almost like a cat and mouse game, if I had to express it as such, the object was to see who knew what, so that I could determine how far to go, what to say, what not to say.