MR DU TOIT
I have a reference, if I may.  The reference in respect of women and children is found on page 616 of Volume III of the judgment, and the second is 614.  Pages 616 and 614 in Volume III, referring to the judgment of WILSON J and the two Assessors on mitigation and mitigating factors.  614 and 616, Mr Chairperson.   Mr Chairperson, my learned junior, Advocate Naidoo, will conclude the examination with your permission.