MR BLACK
So, that's my way of explanation as far as Mr Hlongwane is concerned, we had every intention of calling him as a witness.  But after due consideration and in view of the fact that he will be testifying on another occasion, and the community and those present here will hear his evidence possibly at that occasion, we've decided not to call him but to proceed with the applicants and in the order as listed in Volume one (1) of the documents.  The first applicant whom I represent is Mr Mzwandile Gushu.  He is present and he will be testifying in Xhosa.