PIETER JAKOBUS GOUWS
Chairman, that would be very difficult for me to make such a distinction because I haven't been the Investigating Officer involved or haven't looked at, you know, the detailed data available, but based on, again, if you are a squatter living in a squatter camp and you would like to steal something, you don't go into a house and brutally kill people and try to do the utmost brutality, you know and really we regarded that, and I have seen some of the people the way they had been literally slaughtered to my mind, I don't think that it is normal and as  a lawyer myself, I personally don't think that is normal of any criminal act as such.  You must be psycho or something really to go about it.
	Secondly, as I've said to you that in many instances very little else except weapons had been removed from the houses.  And then may I also add, that these criminals normally would come extremely well armed, because they have killed some of our farmers that had been trained in battle, that had been prepared, that had been ready and in shoot outs and now I am thinking of a situation here in Theunissen for instance, they killed the specific farmer, so these to our mind, these people were not ordinary criminals braking a window pane, getting into the house to get bread, butter or something like that, they planned their attacks well, they knew what they want to do, they were well armed, their attacks were extremely brutal in many, many cases and that was to instil fear in the hearts of people.