MR MARTINI
Well let's go to Lubowski's incident.  He says: "I was hired to monitor Lubowski" and he says: "I phoned Van Zyl ... I'm going to shoot him".  And Van Zyl had a heart attack and said: "Don't do it".  Why suddenly?  With Lubowski he's got no instructions, he's only monitoring and now he sees the man, he says: "Now I'm going to kill him.  And his evidence was: "Mr van Zyl had a heart attack, he said: 'You're not to do that'".  Now he's got remorse in shooting Minister Omar.