TESTIMONY_GIVER:
  All right, let me put it this way.  Well, I just want to try and explain in full detail.  I realise that we might not be on the same vein.  What I am saying is during the day when we were just travelling up and down I saw the office.  Myself in particular I didn't go to the place where Mxenge used to live.  During the time when I went to see the house was in the evening, during the time when this execution took place.