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They were not doing anything, in stead they used to invite police from outside.  When we went there to ask about this matter, they told us that this police from Middelburg are not under Venterstad, so they don't ask for anybody's permission, they just do whatever they would like to do.
 Even if one policeman is trying to prevent them from
CRADOCK HEARING TRC/EASTERN CAPE
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doing what they were doing, they wouldn't care, they wouldn't consider, they wouldn't take care.
 And they also told us that this police - they don't go to the police in charge and get permission.