MR STRYDOM
Mr Chairperson, I'm sorry to interrupt.  Can I just also just place on record at this stage that Mr Sithembiso Khubeka arrived at the hearing this morning.  We have been instructed to appear on his behalf as well.  That is the person that applied for amnesty independently and there was also application through the attorneys initially by he has now arrived at the hearings and we were instructed to appear on his behalf.