MR BERGER
Amongst those targets, they say, were people like Dick Mtsweni and my submission is that with the intelligence that they had at their disposal, with the intelligence machinery that they had at their disposal, they would have known that Dick Mtsweni was a driver who drove supplies.  An old man who drove supplies for the ANC and that they would have known that in the exile community there were people who needed toilet paper and soap and underpants and all those things.  They would have known that, so the question is, why did they pass that information through?  Why did they allow Dick Mtsweni's name to go onto the list, which is what Loots says, it was on the list.