MR BOOYENS
Or whether they destroyed the body in one or two explosions also doesn't make - it seems that Mr van Zyl, he conceded that he might be wrong and it seems, listening to the other evidence, that the probability is that there was one explosion.  But I would submit that that is neither here nor there.  It's not an exculpatory type of statement that he's making when he says there were two explosions.   In fact if one looks at it objectively, it is in fact worse for him if there were... (intervention)