MR LANDMAN
Mr Chairman in the same vein we would submit to the Committee that the second applicant was likewise extremely active in the military structures of the ANC.  Mr Chairman I would ask the Committee in as much as the Committee finds it relevant to have regard to the other acts for which the second applicant intends applying for amnesty, which includes attacks upon police stations and other installations and that stretches from the period 1979 onwards, so again we would submit that he was a highly placed member of MK.
	Mr Chairman again it might also be then important to place on record that the second applicant ... (intervention)