MR DA SILVA
Mr Chairman I asked him specifically this to try and establish why he says they came from the Vanderbijlpark area and I asked him specifically where did he see them the first time.  He says he saw them at the robots.  That is not from the Vanderbijlpark direction, Mr Chairman, this is why I'm trying to follow this up to try and clarify this.  Is your evidence, I understood your evidence to be that you saw them in the vicinity of the robots the first time?