MR MBANDAZAYO
Yes, Chairperson.
	The second point, Chairperson, is the full disclosure, whether they have disclosed their involvement.  Chairperson, from what I've gathered even under cross-examination, there's no dispute as to how they did what - how they did the act they did, that is how they killed the Bouwer family and the Pypers family.  It seems as if there's no dispute about that as to how they did it.  It seems as if there's an agreement that the way they put it before the Committee as to how they did it, now it seems to me that, Chairperson, that they have made a full disclosure with regard to their participation with regard to this incident.
	Now, the other aspect is whether what they did was politically motivated.  Chairperson, it's my submission that there is no dispute that Moses Motapo, Chairperson, Morapapa as he is commonly known, was a member of APLA and he was a Senior Commander of APLA.
	Chairperson, I don't want to go much about Moses Motapo Chairperson,  I know that this name has come in many of the hearings, the operation in which it was ...(indistinct), where he was given orders.  Even Chairperson last week, his name cropped up in the hearing in Johannesburg where he was mentioned as Morapapa, they did not know and I informed the Committee that it is Moses Motapo.  Chairperson there is no dispute that he was a Senior Commander of APLA and as Col Poni put it, he was tasked to perform certain duties.  Chairperson and those duties he was tasked to perform, he had to perform them in the Northern Province.  He is saying that he was given a very much bigger mandate Chairperson, as everybody knows in this Committee and that's the reason ...(intervention)