MR PRETORIUS
Mr Chairman I'm just going to read one more passage, it's in that same line of questioning.  I referred the court to the fact that it actually took up to line, or page 3365 where Mr Justice Nugent particularly wanted to know why this applicant fired.  If we can conclude at page 3365 if one reads as from line 6 or 7 it starts:  "If that is the reason, well then we must sort this out because yesterday in your evidence you said that you shot in self defense, you felt afraid?", "Yes".  If that is the reason then I ask you why did you not just turn around and go around the corner into Shell House.  You did not need to shoot them, but now you say to me well it is to defend Shell House.  I asked you a minute ago is that what was in your head when you shot of defending Shell House and you said no.  You have got to make up your mind.  Is it to defend you or is it to defend Shell House or is it just because everyone started shooting and you shot as well?", "No it was not because of that that everyone started shooting and then I shot".  "Well then explain to me why were you shooting?", "I shot because my life was threatened, that is why I had to open fire".  "Because your life was threatened?", "Yes".  That is the conclusion, that was the end of that line of questioning so after he went through everything, his final conclusion was that that is why he shot Mr Chairman.