MR BLACK
Sorry, before you go.  Mr Chairman, may I once again just - I tried to make it clear yesterday and I think Mr Gushu has also made it clear that if we are going to spend time on semantics here, it is quite clear the purpose of this evidence and even if you compare it with Annexure A, the contents of paragraph 14, was simply referring to incidents about which he was told after the incident of Msibi, namely and served as confirmation of what he was told of Mr Msibi's actions prior to it.
	At the end of the day he was just carrying out orders from an order of the Commander and it is not his (indistinct)