FERDIE HARTZENBERG
Yes, I can remember - on the basis of what she stated here during these proceedings, that while the distrust or while the opening address of the President was discussed - as it was referred to at that time, she came to me with a very or rather thick file and stated to me that it contained very good material for a speech, inter alia material which indicated the luxury in which with so-called champions of the poor were living  and I said to her: "Okay, leave the file with me". 	But Mr Chair, there were other things happening at the time, we were trying to get an organisation off the ground known as COSAC, Concerned South Africans Group, consisting of representatives of various Parties from various population groups.  COSAC was attacked in Parliament, we were the only Party who were part of COSAC who were included in Parliament.  The Pretoria Minutes, the Groote Schuur Minutes were raised and these hadn't been honoured and these were discussed and therefore there were many important things which I had to react to.  	After a day or two I said to Mrs Derby-Lewis that I wouldn't have the time to study this file, after all there were many other things that I had to talk about and I couldn't cover those topics as well in the relevant speech and therefore there was plenty of time to deal with it.
	 I could do that in a month or so but the topics which I had to deal with at that stage, had to be dealt with urgently and I said she could perhaps see if somebody else could in the meanwhile make a speech on those topics because it didn't have the same priority and I couldn't give attention to it, I had other interests I had to pay attention to.