MR DEHAL
Mr de Jager has actually tapped his finger on the pulse that I was going to address on.  If you tie these two versions, there appears to be a third that emanates from this and that is it may well be that the applicant is lying.  He's the type of unsophisticated, uneducated person who wants to stick to a version that was used at the trial court.  It seems to me that the more real version, which Mr Chairperson, you and the Honourable Members are to look at is this, that given the onslaught of acrimonious fighting going on between the ANC and the IFP over the years, given the uncontroverted version about the ANC and the IFP killing each other over those years, given the uncontroverted version of the applicant that indeed the deceased had killed so many ANC people, had been one that had been an ANC and defected to the IFP, that there must have been a motive to eliminate this deceased and that the killing must have been in the execution of that order to eliminate the deceased.