MR DE KONING
Please just give me a moment, Chairperson.  Thank you, Chairperson.   Mr De Bruin, you've already conceded that the applicants had reasonable grounds for believing that you had some leadership position in the AWB and that you also had some inside information as to the activities of the AWB.   You'd also concede that that could have misled them into thinking that you were also a person who could issue orders?