ABDULHAY JASSAT
Well they were present and you know when there are 12 or 15 policemen there you can't exactly be certain who did what.  But one of the reasons why I wasn't released was because I had a visitor, it was my brother, and I had asked him whether he had been to see my lawyers and he said no, so I got a bit angry and Lieutenant Coetzee was in the room with my brother and myself and I told my brother that I wanted him to go and see the lawyers because, again I used vulgar language, I mean I was in a state and I said, please forgive me, I did say I want these bastards to hang.  I made that specific...
 And incidentally the police, special branch, used to visit us once a eek.  Their visit was over that week.  I saw my brother the day after they had visited me.  The chap who was supposed to visit me was a chap called Lieutenant van Wyk.  He was there the following morning again.  It was unusual, twice in a week and he came and he came and sat down next to me on the floor because I never got up for them when they came into the room, and he said Abdulhay have you got any complaints and things like that.  And I told him what's the point in complaining because I mentioned these things, whatever we mention to the magistrate goes back to you and you do nothing about it, so what are you going on about.  
 So he said - then he went on and he said do you have anything to tell me, so I said I have nothing to tell.  Then he asked me, what's this I hear you want to lay a charge 
JOHANNESBURG HEARING TRC/GAUTENG
25 A JASSAT
against the special branch.  And I said, yes, I want to.  So he says you know we weren't there.  I said don't lie.  You kicked me or you punched me, one thing or the other, whichever it was, and he says but you know you are going to lose the case.  So I said why are you worried, it's not your money, I'll be using my money.  If I lose the case it's not going to affect you, so why the heck are you worrying.  And that's when they actually approached Isoo Chiba and told him that we will release you on condition that you don't lay charges against these special branch.  And they did release Isoo Chiba a week later.  Of course Isoo Chiba did consult with us and we did tell him that it would be advisable to go rather than sit in prison.