MR MKHIZE
You know politics can force a person to kill his own brother.  The kind of politics under which we lived was such that you are a comrade and your brother is an Inkatha.  You are the one who should take the lead in killing your brother and I can even quote here at Hammersdale they killed their fathers, their biological fathers, that is a known fact and for example I'm referring to Hammersdale people, they killed their own biological fathers because they were proving to their comrades how loyal they were and how convicted they are.
	IFP people did the same thing.  They were trying to prove their loyalty, they killed their fathers and therefore the question of patriotism and nationalism is far fetched when you're looking at this whole situation.
	For example, if you look at the faction fights I can tell you that this is how the Amazulu operated.  A person would for example go and kill another person of his own tribe on the other side of the street knowing that there is a relative on the other side but a person would move there to kill.
ADV. MOTATA: In other words Mr Mkhize you firstly listened to the evidence given by Mr Dalukolu Luthuli in Durban that the IFP from inception was leaning towards the African National Congress - you recall him saying that because you were present?