JOE MAMASELA
Ja, I think that is what I said, I said - I thought it was just a mistake but like I say, I was distracted, I was talking.  It was not a formal meeting, I was talking with other people, he was talking with other people and whilst somebody was taking - Sally Sele was taking whatever, she was taking something, I think she was minuting the whole thing.  So it was not ...[intervention]