VUYISILE LEBRAN MADASI
Excuse me Mr Chairman, the reason why I did not put this into detail - it is difficult to consult with attorneys to tell us what to do and how.  I don't know the law, these are legal things.  I put forward an application, I was just grateful that the comrades came with these applications.  I could not give the full details - the attorney said that my first operation before the Eastern Cape incidents is the Eastern Cape incident ...[intervention]