CHAIRPERSON
You see the problem with the evidence given by Mr Mabusa Mhlongo and the absence of the aspects testified to by him with regard to although that kept on prompting him to issue the first and the second orders, and more particularly the fact that he discussed all these occurrences with the members of his unit, and he goes on to say both applicants were present during the discussion, is that they usher in some kind of problems when it comes to the motive of the applicants.  You already are sitting with the evidence of Ms Mokoena, whose evidence would like to suggest that the motive for the initial abduction at the tavern by both applicants was rape.  And that's why we are asking you these questions.  We have to be clear in our minds that these were indeed politically motivated offences, that when they saw them at the tavern they decided to abduct them for no reason other than a political reason.  And that is to carry out the order of Mr Mhlongo because of the many activities that Mhlongo was able to elaborate upon, that they did not attempt to elaborate upon.  That's why we are asking you these questions.