MR L TSEMANE
Pawa, okay.  And you are saying you were sent by Sebelo Palma and Mphahlele.  I'm sure they do not know the place, I mean they don't know Sterkspruit.  Some people might have identified places for you.  People who took you around to show these are target places and things like those.  Can't, won't it be fair for you to please tell us who those people were?