ANDRIES MATANZIMA NOSENGA
That's where Peens arrived as well as Themba Khosa.  They came to discuss the Boipatong matter.  There was an Induna present at the stadium, they said Boipatong should be attacked.  Thereafter, Peens said he will supply the weapons, the firearms.  The person who was interpreting that Afrikaans was Gatchene.