MR PRETORIUS
Now, as I've explained to you and you counsel will correct me if I'm wrong.  You mentioned the other factors as well and in view of the fact that you mentioned the factors, which you've mentioned, the question specifically was asked to you which I read out to you just now and that is, what would be the sign that attack has now commenced and how would you know that an attack had commenced and your reply was "if people started shooting at our security."  Do you stand by that?