MR MEYER
Let me put it in these terms Commissioner that I think we all had certain experiences in dealing with Mr Gqozo at that stage.  I can reflect on what I was aware of in terms of our attempts to negotiate a peaceful constitutional outcome where the Ciskean regime, through Mr Gqozo and his delegates participated at Codesa and thereafter also at the multi-party negotiating process at Kempton Park, and it often occurred to us that we are dealing here with a difficult person.  So whatever the description is that one would use in terms of how we experienced the gentleman, I think we all came to the same conclusion, and that is we were dealing with a person that could act irresponsibly with power.  And in that regard I think we can share the views that were also submitted by Mr Botha to the Commission.