MR KEMP
In all fairness to you, Mr Mndebele, I also intended to point out to you a further finding of the Goldstone Commission in which Mr Justice Goldstone and his committee reported that
"The committee is unable to find as proven that the SAP was unwilling to take action against the Black Cats.  It may well have been so whether or not there was every justification for the perception by many people that the SAP were working with the Black Cats."
So, the perception existed and Mr Goldstone also found that such a perception existed in the community.  Now, I merely want to put it to you that isn't what you are trying to tell this committee that such a perception existed, it may not necessarily have been so, but that perception did exist, isn't that correct?