ADV SANDI
Yes, but sorry Ms Van der Walt, isn't that a very broad question to put to the witness?  Has he not told us that he had received pieces and pieces of information, and a lot of it he had no direct knowledge of, he had no personal knowledge of many of these things?
	Why don't you put it to him as to whether he had known these people personally, this Mr Pienaar and Mr Mkhwanazi.