NKOSINATHI NKABINDE
We did not have guns, we were in the process of repossessing guns.  We only had two guns.  Kopane himself, as I had already point out, that I did not know him, he was known to Monde and we had gone to repossess arms because our unit did not have arms.  We were not given any arms by the organisations and there was no way we could get guns except by repossessing them from the settlers.