MR RAUTENBACH
Mrs White, let me just get clarity on it, see whether I understand you correctly.  When you - we're now back at the time of the conversation, not after the murder, at the time of the conversation, when you discussed, when you had this telephone discussion with Janine you didn't take her seriously because she always used to make all sorts of threats and all sorts of, she used to say all sorts of things, am I correct?