CHAIRPERSON
I think Mr Booyens, you're going to have difficulty with that, with this line of questioning.  You know, you're going to have difficulty with witnesses on this line of questioning if I may put it, as to why he didn't tell his counsel and so on.  He's not ...[indistinct] in this matter here, he's just been subpoenaed to give evidence.  He sits there as a lay man, I can't imagine him making notes of details of questions that are being asked of witnesses.