MR VISSER
Mr Chairman, I don't have re-examination but on a point of information an extremely serious other matter has now been raised which we haven't addressed our attention to at all, none of us, and that is that some of these people were taken to a Magistrate apparently, according to the question, and the Magistrate refused to take down confessions from these people and he did so because he could see that they had been assaulted.
	I didn't catch the names other than that of Oupa Makubalo.  Perhaps my learned friend could tell us who the other person was, I'm sorry I didn't catch the name, so that we can try to make enquiries about this Mr Chairman because we're totally unaware of this.