MR VISSER
Chairperson, as we understand the law, a Commission of Inquiry in terms of the Commission's Act, has a very wide range of powers and authority.  They may even hear evidence, although the evidence is hearsay.  We're well aware of that, but when it goes to the crux of the matter, Chairperson, one would expect to hear first-hand evidence.  If one accepts this evidence that this witness is going to give on the basis of which it's tendered as pure hearsay evidence and it is regarded no higher than that, then perhaps I shouldn't have an objection, but certainly, Chairperson, if it's going to be used against the applicant, then we submit that you would require some better evidence.