MS PATEL
Sure, sure.
	Mr Mbane says that he was then let in to the area.  By "let in" I mean that he was allowed in without being stopped by anyone, into that intersection and that, as I have said before, he dropped off a few members, he dropped off two groups of people, went over the bridge and came back.  At that time he too heard what sounded like an explosion and the firing had begun.  They then came into the intersection, he was sitting at the door of the van, he then jumped out and tried to escape, but because of the shooting he was not able to run and that at some stage he was rolling on the ground.  Would you have noticed him at this stage?  Can you comment?  Do you recall?