ADV DE JAGER
Yes Mr Paulsen, I would like to put it on record, Mr Paulsen in fact phoned the Amnesty Committee and he spoke to me.  I told him that if there's a valid application further particulars to the application could be supplied, and he told me that he will supply further particulars because he's only received instructions then.  So it wasn't in the form of a new application, I appreciate it that it seems as though they have tried to condense the annexure and the application into one document.  But as I say it can't be a new application, it should be further particulars to an application.