MR JACK DEMONSTRATES
Let's come to that. Thank you for bringing this all back here, because I wanted to tell you something about this. You know, your client purports that he was involved in negotiations of any kind. Let me tell you this. Your client don't believe in prisoners talking with the police and that was his philosophy and he adhered to that; never ever has he discussed with me or any of my comrade community leaders ever anything to do with our actions. The only time he talks with us, it was - the only time he was involved, it was when he wants to torture and terrorise people. Never has he been involved in a meeting that discussed anything to do with the suspension of the boycott.  And I will tell you a little bit more about that, which you don't know. Mr Deon Nieuwoudt, he was so upset with Barend, with Du Plessis engaging and continuing those talks with us, because those talks we initiated them for the sole purpose of lifting the morale of our troops in the prison. It was always a good thing for us to yearning after of course the Wendy Orr thing, to go and engage the police to assess the mood, how far were they in terms of going to release us. And those talks were initiated by us and always for that purpose. And Nieuwoudt hated those talks. He hated them. He never wanted them.  As a result on the second state of emergency that was declared, Sir, Nieuwoudt worked carefully to get Roelofse get, who was not involved in the 1985, because of Du Plessis who made a mistake, of engaging in talks with us, when actually their job was just to lock us up, according to what he said, and Roelofse. And this I was told by Roelofse and Nieuwoudt was present, he knows that. They said the talking is over, and we will rot in prison until the situation is stabilised. He must not come here and pretend as if he was a negotiator of any kind. He hated the word negotiations.  (Applause).
	He hated the word negotiations, Sir. Don't please come up with that.