CHAIRPERSON
Yes, that is fair enough Mr Trengove.  I had thought that Mr Hattingh is explaining how it came about that he is where he is this morning, before he comes with what really the request is, because it is so as Adv Trengove indicates, of course, that there is only really one choice.  I mean, you have to present you know, one approach to the Panel.  I assumed that what you were busy telling us, was simply just how you got your instructions and when you got it and that you will then tell us what the request is that is being addressed to us.