MR COETZEE
Yes, Mr Chair.  Colonel Shaw sometimes acted on my behalf.  I had many other responsibilities, duties and I could expand on that if you would like to hear.  I was in charge of the IUP unit which protected the State President and Ministers.  I had duties at the border posts which resorted under the security branch.  I also had the five security branches where I had to do inspections, so there could have been orders not emanating from me.