MR VAN ZYL
In this specific incident regarding the pills, where I gave evidence, I told you what his role was.  I just want to mention it to you that even though Wouter had been the Co-ordinator and responsible for obtaining logistic support from contact persons and obtaining for instance, salaries that would have been paid over to us and other supporting instruments, it is also the case that Mr Basson from time to time regularly was absent himself, where he was involved with other projects that I do not know of, but as a result of which he could not get to us a Co-ordinator, and in those cases a person like Nick would for instance keep contact with us as the Co-ordinator.