MR VAN ZYL
No, what I said was that Mr Barnard had offered his services to me as a result of his intelligence contacts he had and that he offered me his services because he was related to the CCB in an inactive basis until he was going to work outside the country the next year.  He didn't come to me and say to me "Listen, I'm going to work for you and you must pay me R5 000 a month", or can I do it, that was not the arrangement.