CHAIRPERSON
A proper affidavit, which would set out a prima facia case would certainly have been in his favour.  The flimsy explanation, or attempted explanation in paragraph 4 doesn't help him.  And that you submit that I must, this Committee must take into cognisance what some other applicant had said, I don't feel, and I haven't discussed it with my colleagues yes, I don't think carries much water.  Because when that person testified he was not testifying on this application to prove that in fact an application was made.  Understand?