MR VISSER
All right, perhaps somebody understands it.  I put to you again Mr Makhubalo, yesterday you told this Committee of an assault or a torture on you, perpetrated on you on one occasion and that is when you came with 18 others from Ladybrand to Bloemfontein and that assault or torture perpetrated on you, took place on two days, two consecutive days.  Am I right in saying that?