MR JACOBS
But you see, I will concede with that as well.  He didn't answer some of the questions.  I am presently a member of the South African Police Service and I have a fair idea of how structures, the police structures normally work.  And yesterday when he was asked who was the Commander of the Security Branch, he hesitated and he wasn't sure and he said, I think it is Colonel Smit.  Yet, you know as I mean, I know as a police member and as an Officer, when a senior Officer, like him being a Warrant Officer and a senior Officer, like Colonel Smit calls you which they from time to time would do, to his office or he is around, you jump up sky high, you do all of those kind of normal authority, and you know that this man is your superior in terms of the line function.   How come he couldn't remember that?  And therefore when I thought about it, I thought I should ask those questions again, maybe in an attempt to refresh his memory or then if not, he can maybe then tell us that there has been a discussion around how he is going to approach his amnesty and that he will be the fall guy.
	That is what I want to know, are you the fall guy  Mr Benzien?  That is what I want to know and I am going to ask you questions around that.