MR MAPOMA
No Ma'am, we do not have evidence that the persons who actually killed did not have knowledge of the meetings and the spirit that was there in those meetings.  I mean Mr Khuzwayo did not say that there were no such meetings or he has no knowledge of such meetings.  It may well be that he knew of those meetings and I mean they are not mutually exclusive, these two scenarios.  Those meetings and the list itself.