WOUTER J BASSON
Chairperson, it may be the case, I believe as a result of his employment in the CCB he was more aware of operations.  It is not easy to recruit an indirect member and to trust him completely and to deploy him and his trustability would be of such a nature that he'll say he'll do something and he doesn't do it, or that he tried to find things to compromise you with, so that one day he can fall back on that.  So I agree with that, yes.