MR WILLS
Mr Chairperson, I've asked Capt Holmes to give me that evidence.  I spoke to him on Friday last week.  he indicated to me that he would have this evidence available by Monday afternoon.  Unfortunately when I got hole of him, I only traced his number down on Friday, when I got hold of him on Friday afternoon he was in some operation in the Eastern Cape and he was expected back to his offices on the Saturday.  He indicated to me that on the Saturday he would look through the information and give it to me.  I spoke to him on the Monday morning, he indicated that he'd been delayed in the Eastern Cape but that he would endeavour to give the information to me.  I'm still expecting it Mr Chairperson.  I have asked the Truth Commission, in the form of Ms Deborah Quinn, to assist in this process but we haven't been successful at this stage and that's, I don't have any power to get hold of this information other than that.  I am expecting affidavits to come through.  Mr Chairperson I didn't, I raised this information at this stage obviously because it would be fair for me to put this to this witness.  The information I've just revealed now was given to me as a result of a telephone conversation with Capt Holmes on Monday morning after the cross-examination of Mr Botha had been completed, but I would certainly appreciate assistance from the Committee as far as getting Holmes here.  It would assist me greatly.