ADV DU PLESSIS
What I find strange Mr Nieuwoudt, under these circumstances with regard to the evidence is two things, first of all that you are so sure about the whole case with regard to their presence there whilst you were busy with the interrogation for most of the time, that's the first point that I find a bit strange.  And then secondly, some of the previous witnesses were prepared to concede that is a possibility that their recollection with regard to Venter and Beeslaar might not have been totally correct.  Can you explain that?