MR BRINK
Mr Chairman, yes, I concede that and I agree with that entirely.  The point is that one has now learnt there was a degree of Third Force activities and that these two applicants were part of that Third Force.  Of that I think there can be little doubt, notwithstanding the fact the ANC was unbanned.  You've heard evidence and research has shown Third Force did exist, even after the unbanning of the ANC, more particulary so, yes, I accept that.