TESTIMONY_GIVER:
  If my memory serves me right that day from the afternoon until late that night, and he might have slept there the night, because we slept in a house.  They've got four houses at the observatory, I think A to D, different category houses.  We slept in house B, and the next morning Mr Pillay was transferred to Sergeant Koos Schutte's house, where in the servant's quarters he then stayed with David Tshikalanga guarding him, awaiting further instructions, because then in the meantime there was the international outcry as a result of the arrest of the askaris in Swaziland, and the knowledge that Joe Pillay has been abducted and were in South Africa.