MR PRETORIUS
Mr Zuma, let's take this step by step.  Firstly in so far as your explanation now that things happened very quickly, I want to read to you from the record of the proceedings in front of Judge Nugent - I read from page 3186.
"Yes and you saw him firing again the second time, that is now placing it in position, this same man with the AK47" which was then said - it was put to you that, that you say you saw him firing for the second time. 
	 Your reply is "Yes". 
	 It was then put to you "but won't it be correct to say that you did not see anybody firing but that you rather got the impression that someone was firing from the furthest corner away from you, the corner of King George and De Villiers Street?"
	 Your reply - "I am not mad."
	 "Yes, but you see that is in fact what Mr Kruser testified and that is on page 2749 of the record.  He was specifically asked by his Lordship what caused him to give the order to fire warning shots.  He was asked, the question posed by his Lordship in that was from line 24.  Do I understand you to be saying you heard shots but that you did not see anyone firing from the crowd?"
	  His answer was "I could not see directly, we just got the impression it was coming from somewhere."
	And then more importantly "Yes but you heard shots, you did not see anyone in the crowd firing?"
	"No my Lord."  That was all with reference to Mr Kruser's evidence that was put to you.
	You then testified "Yes but you are talking about Kruser but I saw this person." 
	 You were very sure of exactly what you saw to the extent that when it was put to you that maybe you got the wrong impression you said to the person, Mr Ferreira, one of my colleagues - your reply to him was "I am not mad."  Do you understand that Mr Zuma?