MR NEL
Mr Chairman, yes, if I may, I have just got one question for Mr van der Westhuizen, arising out of the re-examination of Mr Visser, if I may.  Mr van der Westhuizen, there was no information which came from Ms Khubeka upon an answer of yours to Mr Visser, which led to an arrest of four example, these four persons, to which Mr Botha has referred.  Now I assume that their names were also not disclosed during that time?