MR RICHARD
Thank you.  Now what I did was outline evidence that I will lead in due course.  Chairperson it's not usual for me to argue with a witness, because what I think the witness has largely read into the record is argument, not evidence.  My reason for ascertaining and locating this evidence, is that we have this undercurrent going on that the figure of 69, 74 and 68 is some sort of propaganda figure which was created at the time to achieve some other purpose.