FERDINAND BARNARD
Well, he tried to place the blame in front of me, but we had words about that.  I felt that I did everything according to the book, the leak did not occur with me.  The way in which I met McQuillan and Mitchell's connection, I conveyed all of that to Lafras Luitingh.  I was not allowed to go around and make enquiries about where this person fits in.  That was not part of the organisation.