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I am just putting it, I think it is important then to 
clear this up because Mr Brode, I am just putting it to you Mr 
Cerqueira, Mr Brode, if he was here, and if he was with you and saw 
more or less given detail here and there, that he saw more or less 
what you saw and heard what you heard, it was never as far as Mr 
Gqomfa's statement is concerned, as far as his evidence is 
concerned, it was never put to him that shots were not fired and that 
he is either mistaken or that he is lying.