MR SNYDERS
I am not able to say that he was completely aware, but the fact is that I was under the command and all that I knew was that I was a member of the Defence Group that had to train many other cells, and all that I know is that it had to be cleared with the politicians first, with the leaders.  The leaders, meaning Andries Beyers and Andries Treurnicht.  Douw Steyn had direct liaison with them and that is what he conveyed to me and that is my version.