W RIAAN BELLINGAN
That is correct.  Afterwards we were told that some of them had actually run away and got away and earlier this year I asked the Truth Commission to find us that video and there was a programme by Max du Preez where it was, he was on one of Max du Preez's programmes and he sat with his back to the camera and he said how bad the askaris were and that he did not trust them and that they were the well trained terrorists.  So, yes, some people got away.  I cannot remember exact figures.