MR VISSER
Clearly once we've got notice we've got notice.  But there are, we were given to understand that the matters which emanated, or which were perpetrated in the Transvaal would not form part of the present hearing.  I'm not sure how that sits with the Committee to do this piecemeal.  If you wanted to do this all in one go then clearly Mr Chairman we can't continue, because Loots for example was an applicant in an amnesty application before you and we are not privy to their applications, but we are fairly certain that he made no application in regard to the allegations which are now made by the present applicant.  So he would certainly have to be informed.  And then there are a number of other persons as well which we believe may not have been informed although Mr Mpshe may be able to inform you more pertinently.  Mr Chairman we are here basically to deal with the Venter issue.  We can, also, deal with the other incidents which were perpetrated in the Free State to some extent, probably completely, but we are certainly not here to deal with the Transvaal matters, and none of those persons implicated in the Transvaal, in regard to those incidents, are our clients.