MR WILLS
That is my submission exactly, he had no reason to come to the Committee unless he felt that he had been involved in a crime.  The difficulty with these things is that if he were charged, there may well be more substantial evidence, where certain people would give evidence, and we might find that there was more to it.
	My submission is that his role does amount to a crime, and it might with the law in relation to common purpose, might in fact even although it will be unlikely, it may well be regarded, he may be regarded as having murdered those people, or charged with murdering those people at the least.
	As regard to the second point that Committee member, Mr Lax, raised about the political motivation, I submit that it is clear from the evidence of the higher profile applicants yesterday, that there was (indistinct) of proper political training, and political education and instruction.
	Clearly it appeared from what the applicants said yesterday, that one of their purposes was to use an MK person, who was trained properly and correctly, to go into the areas and to perform that role of discipline and political education and political education is obviously up to policy.
	To that extent, that didn't happen here, there was no mention of MK.  He even indicated that MK persons only came into the area after he had left, so there wasn't that direct education which would have enabled him to fully appreciate the policies in the first instance.
	He did however, he was however told by his, the Commander of the other Unit, Mnini that Mnini thought that he didn't want to participate in that attack, but that was clearly Mnini's own position.
	Be that as it may, it is not only whether an act is committed in accordance with policy of a particular organisation, that pulls it within the context of a politically motivated act.  There is a whole umbrella of other circumstances, and I submit that in this instance, it falls within the ambit of Section 20(a) and in fact 20(b), and it was, the attacks were directed against political opponents.
	One can go into more detail in that regard, but clearly the pro-active report, and I think with respect, the Committee could possibly take judicial notice of the fact that there was serious violence in these rural areas, particularly in the townships.