TESTIMONY_GIVER:
  Okay, there are words that were said by Mthembu and Cele.  There were some words, very hot words they said, which I said, "If you say that Mthembu you've been telling me that I must depart from Inkatha, you should have told me that you've now joined UDF.  I would have also joined UDF if you had told me."  And they said to you, "You, as you are Inkatha now, and you are not in UDF, you will meet your death."  They also were Inkatha, but then they crossed the floor and went to UDF.  I used to lead them in Inkatha, but now they pulled off from Inkatha and went to UDF.  I said, "If you had told me that you're crossing the floor to the UDF I would have also crossed the floor.  I didn't go to that meeting because you didn't tell me."   That's why that I was explaining it, so that I just don't write these things down.