EUGENE ALEXANDER DE KOCK
It was between eight and ten that morning, but I can't give an exact time.  I can remember that I went there from head office but it would have been of no avail to call him at his home at eight o'clock, I had to meet him at his office, because Waal du Toit was a very active man and you just couldn't go to his office and find him there. I had that experience. You had to make an appointment and tell him specifically that you were coming to see him.