MS PATEL
Okay, the reason I ask you these questions is Mr Ntamo made a statement to us, it's on page 16 of the bundle, Honourable Chairperson, it's paragraph 4 and let me just read to you what Mr Ntamo said to us.  He says
"When Terror returned from Transkei he was deployed at Brown's Farm squatter camp and under the command of Mr Toyise and his combat name was Joe.  While Terror was under the command of Mr Toyise he once again came to take the firearm from him to carry out patrols."
But the gist of what I want you to hear is that Mr Ntamo says you were in fact under the command of Mr Toyise when you came back from training?  Is Mr Ntamo lying to us or has he made a mistake or what is the position?