MR MBANDAZAYO
Thank you.  Mr Chairman, I will proceed to paragraph 6 as he has already covered also paragraph 5.
"At the time he had two AK47s, Makarov pistol and two stick grenades.  He told us PAC and APLA do not have enough funds to buy weapons.  It is therefore going to be the duty of the unit to repossess arms from the State, that is SADF, SAP, traffic officers and any other law enforcement agents and also from the white people who were benefitting from the oppressive system of apartheid.  Moss told us that the South African Defence Force, SAP and traffic officer were the main pillars of apartheid and they have to be attacked and render the system of apartheid unworkable because the whites will no longer have confidence to the State if the people who are supposed to protect them are unable to protect themselves.  Moss told us that he was reporting his action to the director of operations, Leklapa Mpampahlele.  He told us that it will be our duty that at night we will patrol the street looking for police to attack them and repossess their weapons.  On the night of the 19th August 1991 we patrolled the street looking for the target.  It was Moss armed with AK47, myself armed with Makarov, Lulamile armed with Chinese stick grenade and also Doctor armed with Chinese stick grenade.  We could not find the target until in the morning and Moss ordered us to go to our respective places.  Moss and Lulamile went to their respective places and in the case of Moss he went to my home.  Myself, I accompanied Doctor to his home.  On our way we saw the traffic officer in the street and we decided to disarm him.  I told the traffic officer not to move and he tried to draw his pistol and I shot him.  Doctor took the pistol and we ran away.  On the way we met Lulamile who asked us what was happening and we told him what had happened, and I asked him to go to the place of the incident and check whether there are no people who saw us.  We went to my home where we made a report to Moss.  Lulamile came back and told us that there was a young boy who was talking to the police and told them who shot the traffic officer.  We then decided that we must leave the place and we left with Zinzeni Zulu ...(intervention)