CHAIRPERSON
Just, sorry, before you get onto that, on the probabilities with regard to your client's evidence, do you think it would be correct for us to find that not one person in that group of 400, 200, whatever, was armed?  Merely because somebody said, leave your arms behind, you know, we don't want to cause trouble.  So 400 people dutifully lay down their arms and go with nothing at all, when in fact the crowd were in fact asked, please you stay behind and let the leaders just go and they say, no, we're coming.  We're coming.  We want to see that you discuss this matter.  I'm not necessarily talking about firearms here, but I'm talking about kerries and sticks and spears and machetes and axes, whatever, you know.