CHAIRPERSON
The evidence was that she also was involved in the Boipatong massacre.  She has not been excluded in that activity, and that's why they both were targeted.  Isn't that the evidence that's before us?  It's not only Ms Ndumo, it's Ms Ndumo and Ms Mokoena, and you'd be in a position to get better evidence from her, rather than to have her speculate about whether Ms Ndumo was or was not involved in the Boipatong massacre.