MAPHANGA MKHUANAZI
I will say that we went to court and we told them that we do not want the people, the perpetrators to see us.  The Judge promised that the case, the trial would be conducted in camera so that they do not see us, but they did not do that.  It was conducted in an open court and one day, on Friday, one of them called me, we were in town.  He was inside a car.  He sent one young gentlemen to come and call me.  I went there because someone was calling me.  He asked me, do you know me?  I could see that it was him, but I
ALEXANDRA HEARING TRC/GAUTENG
9 M MKHUANAZI
said, no, I do not know you.  He asked me whether I am not afraid.  I said, no, I am not afraid.  He said to me this issue of yours, going to court and lying about us, it is not good.  He is asking who told you that.  He said you know the whole story.