MR MBANDAZAYO
Yes, Mr Chairperson.
	Mr Chairperson, I don't want to belabour this point.  I know that some of the Members of the Committee may not have, Advocate Motata, I've never supplied him with some of the documents but I made copies of the submission of the PAC with regard even to targets, so-called, one would argue that is a soft target and civilians.  Document PAC where it put its submission to the TRC at a later stage when they were required to spell out their policy with regard to attack to so-called civilians, they put it clearly that they did not differentiate in their submission.  That's one point I wanted to cover.  I know that maybe Advocate Motata does not have it.  I know the two Members, yourself and Advocate Bosman, I made photostats of some of the documents relating to that and also one of ...(indistinct) of APLA where President Makweto - it is quoted here:
"PAC can only consider abandoning the bullet in overthrowing the regime when the ballot is secure."
Well no-one knows when the ballot will secured, whether after the elections or what but it so happened that it was done before the elections.
	Having said that, Mr Chairperson, my argument is that the applicant himself attacked within the ambit and scope and orders of his party, and what he did was on behalf of his organisation and he reasonably believed at that particular point in time that what he was carrying out was carrying out the objective of his organisation.  And therefore, Mr Chairperson, it is my submission and my application that the applicant should be granted amnesty, thank you.