GEORGE BIZOS
No, leave the newspapers out of it for a moment.  There was the Commission, the TRC, which heard much evidence coming from the very operatives - do you remember what I asked you about the CCB, Vlakplaas, the Security Police, the Information Services, do you now accept at that time there were various agencies doing a similar job, committing offences against the people of South Africa considered to be the enemies of the State?  Do you now accept that that was so at the time that you were Chairman of the CCB?