MR VISSER
Mr Chairman, yes, I certainly am not doing this because I think that I  have nothing else to do.  I am just wondering whether this witness shouldn't at least tell you what his participation was.
	Perhaps I can go a little quicker, thank you for the indication Mr Chairman.  Perhaps if I may then just lead you, is it true that at some stage, Ms Ndwandwe got into the bakkie with the two informers?