MS QUNTA
Yes, I'm moving on, I'm not wanting to belabour this point but I just want to put it as a background.
	Now Mr Sibaya I want to put it to you that if you walk into a police station and you tell the police you've just seen a group of people with a load of weapons getting out of one car and getting into another car and driving away and you give them a diagram with the words "Observatory and Hartleyvale" written in that, and they then tell you that you are drunk, or Heidelberg is up-country, it really needs a lot of imagination to believe you.  I cannot see a policeman in the atmosphere of '93 doing that.  So I am putting to you that you never went to Guguletu Police Station.  You are not telling the truth.