MR LAX
Mr Berger's question is then to you, if you thought it was a general meeting at which a decision was taken to attack the Vaal community in general terms, when was that meeting?  That is what he's asking you.  It's not a meeting to attack Boipatong, it's a meeting to attack in general terms and you give a specific answer and he wants to know - and it will help us a great deal if you can help us, when was that meeting?  Which is different from the Boipatong specific meeting, on your evidence so far.  Can you help us there perhaps?