ABRAM VAN ZYL
That is so.  Our information was that the Kewtown Youth Movement would use the hall and then Gakkie also reported to us that that specific evening there would be a karate club or representatives of a karate club would be there, so that is the only information that we had, that only those two parties or organisations would use that specific hall that evening.  I had no other information.
	I mean it is logical, if I had other information, then I would have made further, taken further measures to ensure that no one would be killed or injured.  Because if my action was aimed at the Kewtown Youth Movement, it is irresponsible to act against people of a soccer club that had nothing to do with the Kewtown Youth Movement.