JOE MAMASELA
Yes Sir, I will put it that way because I am the one and I'm proud to say it, I am the one who first came with those facts that I am the one who lied.  I was never caught by anybody in a lie.  I testified in de Kock's trial and for the first time I told the truth, that I was told to lie in the McNully, I was told to lie in Lingagele, I was told to lie in the Harmse Commission.
	I'm the one who came out with that, now everybody jumps into the bandwagon and says: "You lied, you lied".  I'm a self-confessed liar, yes but they never found me out themselves.  I found myself out, I discovered myself.