RACHEL
No. The way it was there was no way in which we could lay a charge against the police because there was my cousin who was working in Mafekeng he was a soldier or police I don't remember, when we were sitting down discussing this kind of issues he raised the issue that there is no docket which has been opened that what Ronnie has died. There is nothing what Ronnie has done so we were discouraged by the fact that those police who came to arrest Ronnie, the following day when they came to report that Ronnie has died are not the same police who came yesterday who were assaulting him, they were different police, so we didn't have the possibility to open the case because we didn't have the direction. DR RANDERA: You mention the name of a policeman at the time that Ronnie was being beaten can you, do you know whether this policeman is still working in Hammanskraal area, have you seen him again?