SIPHO JOEL SITHOLE
In fact one of the members in the command, Mavivi Ngubezi as he is mentioned, came to us because of the same feeling that most of the comrades were crying, chaps can you do something, we know that probably you might have access to the weapons.
	Mavivi Ngubezi was a member of the Ordinance Unit when they were still operating from outside.  I was serving in the Service Unit in Swaziland.  I knew also he was also involved in ordinance, so he knew most of our staff was outside.
	We approached him, he came to us and then we told him, okay, we can assist you with a vehicle to do that, we can give you money for the petrol for the vehicle, to go and get these arms.
	He went with a vehicle to Mozambique, the car had a breakdown in Swaziland, he came back, they got the engine, fixed it, they went to Mozambique.  They procured the stuff in Mozambique.
	On their returning to the country, they were intercepted at the border, at Golela.  Subsequently to that, I was picked up at the ANC office, unlike what the media was saying.