FUNDISELE GULENI
We stopped on the way towards Buje, but it was not very far from the rally.  We just stopped the car on the way, we questioned them as to where they were coming from and who they were and where they were going.  They said they were APLA soldiers, they were coming from Msigaba, they were going to Umtata.   We asked them to explain to us as to what was happening at Msigaba.  They were not free when responding to these questions.  When one of them was about to answer, one of them would try and stop them and answer.  That is when Mzwandile told us to divide them and the others would be asked on the other side, and the other group would be asked on the other side.  We did so, I was left with one group and Mzwandile continued questioning this group.    Among us, there were people like myself, I had a 9mm pistol.  There was Mqiza with an R4 rifle, there was Mzwandile with a G3, Poyo was armed with a pumpgun.   He questioned them and the others were watching and I was questioning this other group, that is when we realised that these people were in the camps at Msigaba in a process of integration.   They said there was a misunderstanding there amongst them, because they were satisfied with this integration process, because there were people who wanted to continue in the battle.  They were not satisfied about this integration, therefore they decided to take their own way.  We asked them about the people who were responsible in this TDF, because they said in this process the TDF soldiers were in charge, because those were the camps of the TDF's,  as we were still listening to this and questioning these people, we heard a gunshot.  When we looked, we realised that the person who was shooting here was Mqiza.  Mqiza was shooting directly at this group, the one that I was questioning, and I enquired.  Mqiza said that he thought that Mzwandile was giving an order, because Mzwandile was standing behind me and the slope was a little bit steep.   Mzwandile said that he did not give the order, therefore we were in trouble.  These people who were trying to escape, run away, we called them back and we tried to solve this problem.  I advised that we would rather take these people to the nearest clinic or hospital.