MR COETSER
Well the fundamental fact of the matter is that via the process of him testifying here and via the process of cross-examination, there were only really at the end of the day a few aspects concentrated on, otherwise the exercise was designed to secure from him what he could remember.  Can he remember names, can he remember this, can he remember the other thing?  On various aspects he said:  "This is what I can remember" and he conveyed the facts.  On other aspects he turned round and said:  "I can't remember."  That is what you got from him.  That is what he testified to.  So what he told you he can remember, those are the facts that you have.  The things that he told you he can no longer remember, you don't have those facts.