MR RAUTENBACH
Well the information that we have is that the landing time of that plane was at 9 o'clock.  You will agree with me that a person first had to - the plan lands, it has to come to a standstill, people wait before they actually leave the plane, they then had to go into the airport building and then from the airport building they've got to leave the airport building, to get - in his case, got to get to the highway.  I want to put it to you that it's almost impossible that he could have made it, could have met you between nine and nine thirty.  Do you want to react to that?  Are you insisting that he met you ...(intervention)