PIETER JAKOBUS GOUWS
But - I wouldn't do it Chairman - what I am saying is that in the case of Mr Fourie, it was also found that there was not a political motive involved by the police and by the Presiding Judge etc, and now we have the claim that it was a political murder, rightly or not, I don't know, so it probably depends on the situation and the way the Judge look at it, maybe it is dependent on the way the Investigating Officer would be looking at it, I am not in a position to judge that, but I do know that we look at the Verkeerdevlei murders, I personally look at them as a political motive involved there and when I say a political motive, Chairman, perhaps I should rectify it or I should put it in the right perspective, it doesn't mean an order from a person there, you go out and you kill now that farmer, it is the whole political environment of supporting also, let us for instance say the credo of kill a Boer, kill a farmer, it may not be that APLA is targeting the specific member of APLA and saying now you go out and you kill Mr Fourie, I see it in a broader context.