ANDRIES KGOBADI
In this first case Saldanha was not involved.  He was involved in Frida's case.  In the first case the Magistrate never asked if we had lawyers or not.
They conducted the case the way they wanted, because the Magistrate was also working together with the policemen.
Because they were sitting together when we were giving evidence.
 And that implied that we will meet in the cells.