MR HATTINGH
I explained to my client that he's not at this stage to lead any argument.  I would however that we conclude this part in a manner that we started.  And to the extent that any argument may perhaps slip through, I think my learned friends would then just indicate to the witness that he's not supposed to once again move into argument, and secondly, in the end it's not going to form part of the argument which will be submitted to this Committee and it will then just be left out altogether.  Thank you, Mr Chairman.