CHAIRPERSON
Thank you very much.  I am talking and you are also talking.  Thank you very much for the submission you have made.  The speaker's microphone is not on.  The speaker's microphone is not on.  It would help us, thank you for your submission which would help us to draw as complete a picture as possible of the human rights violations that have happened as a result of the conflict of the past during this period.
 Thank you very much.  Order please.  Because they didn't applaud for you it doesn't mean they don't like you.  Oh I see the Premiere is here too.  We welcome you.  You may applaud for him.  I suggest that we take a break.  ... end of Tape 4, side B ... 
   ... and we would just want to welcome Mr Pik Botha.  Do you hear me?  No.  I want to say that we would like to bid you a hearty welcome and I am going to bite my tongue, maybe I should just speak English.  We appreciate the fact that you have taken the time to come here and be with us, to come and make your submission and to come and give evidence.  We are sure that you will enable us to have an important perspective on the event that we are investigating.
 We expect that - that you will perhaps give us a written, I mean, you will give us a copy of you submission?  A copy is being made, all right, right you are.  Thank you very much.  Without much ado then we hand over to you.