MR SMUTS
Well, would that that was so, Mr Chairman, it became of lesser significance when they got into trouble on the right-wing threat but central to the evidence, central to the evidence is this right-wing threat.  That's what brought the men of Flagstaff to Port St Johns.  That's what caused the selection of an area as a suitable target for an attack.  That's why they went to Mpande.  That is the thrust of the evidence of the applicants.  If that's not credible, with respect, and my submission is on the face of it it's not.  Their evidence is in tatters.  They could have ..[intervention]