CARL CASTELING BOTHA
I understand, but then there is a further contradiction with regard to the overtures that I made to my region to relay the message to his region to take care of him.  It is just as contradictory with my statement, that is why I would like to appeal to the fact of my Section 29 detention where I wasn't thinking straight and I may have misinterpreted certain things, that Mr Barnard didn't necessarily tell me that he was out of the organisation, that it was my assumption, that perhaps he thought I could send the CV through to his handler.  I cannot recall the situation.