GARY JOHN KRUSER
Mr Chairman, I want to say again that we had information, I'm just reading through the judgement itself here now.  The Judge also says it's likely that they would be rumours.  Now there can be a big debate of what rumour is and what information is and what intelligence is because I see in his judgement, I haven't read it but, looking at it he says it's quite likely there were rumours of varying reliability.  Now as a person trained in intelligence, a rumour for one person could be information for someone else and intelligence for the next person depends from which source you are getting it and what avenue the information comes to you.  I mean even based on his own findings, if I just read it my own interpretation of it - he says it's quite likely they would be rumours.  Now as an intelligence person as I say a rumour could be information, for the next intelligence officer it could be intelligence because intelligence is confirmed information.  If it's from more than two sources it could be intelligence.  I know I was informed by Commissioner Radu and later in the morning by other intelligence officers in the ANC that there was information to that effect.  Now whether you want to call it a rumour or not it depends who's receiving the information.  I mean even if I read the findings now myself there's a contradiction in terms of this whole thing myself how I interpret it and I don't think I'm a lawyer but that's how I see it as a lay person.
	To go further, I'm just reading, he says, he talks about the state of mind and I don't know whether it matters or whether information or not and whether my apprehension was because of the information or because the activities of the marchers during the day - I don't see - I'm just reading, I haven't read it before but now I had time while you asked the question.  I can't see the difference in apprehension although I know for myself that I got that information from some of my colleagues here sitting behind and from the Commissioner the late Mr Radu and I stand by the fact that I received that information but I find the judgement a bit contradictory itself as a lay person but I'm not a lawyer but I'm sure my lawyers will argue those things if they agree with me.