GIDEON JOHANNES NIEWOUDT
As I have said previously, initially when Mr Biko realised that he was under the questioning of Captain Siebert, it was clear that Captain Siebert had no background on Mr Biko and then Mr Marx left the office to do further research and to consult the files, to confront him with that.
	Mr Chairman, it is about 20 years ago.  I cannot remember every detail of this incident.  All that I know is that he was confronted with the facts we had available to us.  That is how I remember it.