JOHANNES LODEWIKUS GRIEBENAUW
Yes, I'll accept that that could have been the case and that is why I also put it in my statement - in my evidence that each and every person who had a responsibility towards a Section 29 detainee and of who it is alleged that he was tortured or assaulted in some way, each one of those persons must have known what was going on.  In other words, he should have followed up the lie.