CHAIRPERSON
No, no, but what I'm saying is, that's why I mentioned this criminal case where people come and  say: "I lied, I did it, and this is why I lied, I didn't want to go to jail."  But what happens if you've got the trial record and you've got the evidence and the witness says - and which are completely different, and the witness says: "Well I didn't lie in the trial"?