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I can do that Sir.  Thank you Mr Chairperson.   First of all it is true that the witness who was here, we used to live together a lot of times.  Secondly Mr Chairperson on this particular day I was working in Bisho and I had just been promoted after writing police examinations.  I was at the Head Office in Bisho at the time.
 On this particular day I was with late Captain Maganuga coming to Mdantsane to the Security Offices there and we had no idea of any operation.  We got to Mdantsane and there was a joint operation.  We went with the late Captain Maganuga to the office and asked what was going on.  We heard that we were going to NU 3 to 7809.   At the time I was not aware whose house this was but out of curiosity we followed the police.  When we were near Kyalatemba we heard gunshots from NU 74.  We were standing near Kyalatemba.  After the gunshots stopped we went nearer.  If I remember clearly when I arrived there, there were police and soldiers.  I don't remember the police who asked me but I was asked to take the injured police to Cecilia Makiwane which I did.  I came back from Cecilia Makiwane hospital because I wanted to know what happened.  I was shown the police who died and one guy from exile.  I don't remember who said this but I received a message that I was called over the police radio.  I don't remember if it was the Commander of Mdantsane but he said that the owner of this house was Mr Zwelakhe Bikitsha and as I was the person who knew him I had to help them arrest him which I did as a policeman.  I arrested Mr Bikitsha together with other police but I don't remember who they were.  
 After that I left him in Mdantsane Security Branch and I never met with him again.  Fortunately Mr Chairperson he didn't even mention that I was the one torturing him.  I met him again in court.  That is all Mr Chairperson.