ABDULHAY JASSAT
Well Isoo Chiba is alive.  He is an MP.  And I am not certain whether he's here at the moment, he may be in Cape Town, but I think one should, or the Commissioners should approach him to give evidence.  Unfortunately I did try to get hold of him but I believe he hasn't got a phone at the moment.  He's waiting for them to install a phone at his home.  Seeing that he lives in (...indistinct) it's a bit difficult for me, I don't have transport, so it's a bit difficult for me to get hold of him.