GIDEON JOHANNES NIEUWOUDT
It was so but perhaps I could explain in this regard.  There were instances where it was the strategy of the people whom we detained for a long period in terms of the security strategy.  After they had been released they had to make this allegation because unfortunately their cohorts or fellow activists within the organisation would accuse them that they had been recruited by the security forces and that - and they had to make use of that opportunity after release to allege that they had been assaulted or ill-treated during detention.  It was so, it's a known fact.