AZHAR CACHALIA
Thank you sir.  Mr Mbatha, I am saying that in both these applications the most central aspect of your amnesty application was not dealt with in that you did not admit to being in possession of an unlicensed firearm, you did not indicate that you had ammunition for that, you did not indicate that you were responsible for the murder of anybody, in the two applications that we have before us.  Am I, is that correct, do you agree with that?