MR HATTINGH
Mr Chairman, I would argue yes.  At the criminal trial this applicant did place him on the scene, he did make himself a part of the particular incident for which now applies for amnesty, but his reasons for doing it - at the criminal trial he gave other reasons.  Whether they were the truth or not the truth I cannot say but at least it differs from his version today and the reasons for him going to the disco and that in itself I would submit is adequate basis for me to make the allegation and ask the question or put it to him that he in fact, his present version is a fabrication of the event.  Mr Chairman ...[intervention]