UNKNOWN
Yes, but Mr Van der Merwe, if you were listening to your client, the applicant this morning, when he detailed the circumstances in which he ended up assaulting Mr Jack, I think he comes very close to saying Mr Jack was a bit cheeky to him, and he had to give him a bit of a hiding.  Can you explain or what is political about that; assaulting someone who is rebellious and stubborn in the course of interrogation here?