ANDRIES STEPHANUS KRIEL
Yes,  Mr Chairman, I saw Mr Oelofse in December and he told me that he was sorry that the problem existed between me and Terreblanche and we discussed the applications.
	Mr Oelofse at that stage, he also sat in at the Bond of Boere Krygsgevangenis and he said he was going to leave the AWB.  At one stage I said to Oelofse that he is going to be incriminated and I asked him that he and Kloppers should get together.  He didn't want to go and see Kloppers.
	I saw him at several times, I asked him to go and see Kloppers because Kloppers said that you gave him instructions and now you guys can talk and look each other in the eye and I thought with this amnesty, we should all take hands and by means of this process, but Oelofse did not want to go and see this man and afterwards I made the conclusion that he was trying to evade the whole situation about talking to Kloppers.
	I then told him that I was going to support the people and afterwards I learnt he returned to the AWB.  He said to me that he would never admit that he gave instructions and then he said he would rather try his luck in court, he would try his luck in court.  That is the expression he used.