GIDEON JOHANNES NIEUWOUDT
There could have been other people present.  I cannot remember precisely.  It's 20 years ago.
	I remember with his detention in 1980 with the school boycotts where he was transferred to Modder Bee and there he was detained under section 10 where you couldn't have interrogated him. 
	That's what I can remember off the cuff now and there must have been other instances as well where I could have interrogated him and where I also interviewed him.