MR VISSER
I fully concede that.  It would be wrong for me not to concede that.  We're talking about events which took place 11 years ago, Mr Chairman and you as a seasoned judge know that people reconstruct and if I were to submit to you that you didn't listen to a fair amount of reconstruction, I would not be honest with you.  No clearly, Mr Chairman, but what I would submit to you is not to place too much emphasis on the use of the word research, they had no research available to them other than to talk to each other and clearly to reconstruct matters.  Now one thing that is clear from du Preez's evidence is that Taylor gave them a limpet mine together with Mr Ninela and as Commissioner Bosman has just put to me, isn't this the logical inference, which today du Preez will come and give evidence about?  He will assume that it was found in the possession of Ninela, which is a logically human inference to draw Mr Chairman.