CHAIRPERSON
I think here what he said is he saw a video in 1981 of necklacing and that he's sticking by that.  Obviously, if necklacing never occurred before '85, then he is wrong.  I mean it's quite clearly so, but you know he doesn't have to say that he's wrong if it couldn't have been.  It's just pure common sense.  So, you know, if it can be proved that there was never ever a necklacing before 1985 or certainly not in 1981 then you've driven your point home so it's a question of argument then.