MR NTSEBEZA
Thank you very much Mr Ndima.  The only thing that the Commission wants - it is not to press charge against people that is not our duty, this is not a court of law.  We are not placing any charge against any one.
 The only thing that the Commission wants as we are being asked by the country, is to help to investigate the truth.  We don't just investigate the truth, we want it to make this country a reconciliated one.
 In so much that we can all live together in peace whether we like it or not.  One of the most important things or the difficult things, it is because our leaders do come and go.  And one of the aims of the Commission is to find out and say to the President of this country and the whole Parliament, the things that have happened must not happen again.
 The way you have given us your evidence, more especially where you are drawing us a picture that the matter has also reached Pretoria, it was Pretoria that was giving instructions to the policemen, it was policemen in Pretoria who gave instructions to you when you were fighting, when you have killed someone, take their weapon.
 That shows us clearly that they were causing conflict amongst Black people.  We do have witness, we know what they did to you, they were also sending informers on the other side as they have done in the Guguletu boys, they sent informers on their side and they had to fight each other.
 Even Yamile must have realised that today because it is clear that they were hesitating when some people come saying I am from those Freedom Fighters and all along the White people are involved.  So it was not a right thing that happened during those days, but we are not here to lay charges against, we want to see what happened afterwards.
 The killings of people were things that were just made but this thing has roots.  The White people were being on the side of the government and the White government has its own agenda.  Thank you very much.