LAURENS MBATHA
That prior to the incident on the 25th of May, that one should indicate it was, the 25th incident was, actually, the second incident that was taking place in Kimberley.  What I am trying to say about that, it was not the first blast.  It was the second blast, but on that particular day what occurred is there was a march.  It was a joint march, that is between Cosas and the Youth League and at the march, predominantly, we had members of Cosas with Youth League, particularly, in leadership, where I became part of the march.  The march proceeded from Areno.  At that time I was driving with a 16V number plate of RCL, I am not sure about the figures.  It was, actually, belonging to the organisation.
	Inside there I had some of my command structure members.  As we reached centre, that is social centre, it is, actually, on the way as you are coming over to town right in Galishewe.  I drove away, actually, with the RCL with my members in the car not realising even and not notifying exactly, because they thought that we were just moving along the road.  We drove, actually, back to the office where I picked up the F1 hand grenade and went back to the marchers with the grenade.  At that time I drove off immediately as we reached Tikkie Stop.  Tikkie Stop is one area in Kimberley as we are fast.  Unfortunately, this is how we know it, it is a bus stop.  It is at that point that I drove off, picked up one of my members, that is Walter Smiles.  
	Smiles, actually, entered the vehicle and in the process of driving, when we reached an area right in town, it is called in Afrikaans, die klein OK, small OK.  It was that time when I branched off the vehicle with Smiles next to me and the vehicle drove off.  It is ... (intervention).