TESTIMONY_GIVER:
  I was actually coming to that issue.  I will jump then and go to the incident that took place in 1990.  Now, there were two factions in Botshabelo at that time, because in 1989, that was the end of December, a strike began.  That was a strike at IBL, and the issue of the incorporation of Botshabelo into Qwa Qwa was also continuing.  Because I was still under the restriction conditions, though I was released on bail, but the conditions were still applicable as they were.  On that day - if I am not mistaken it was on the 9th of March - I was the offices of IBL on that day.  I was going to take part in the expulsion of an employee.  I was driving a hired kombi from Avis.  I stopped outside the IBL offices because I had an appointment there.  Just on my arrival a lady came running to me - I was with my comrade, Zanile Janji - and she said, "Quickly get out of this room.  There are people coming to attack you."  It is true, when we got into the passage we peeped through the window and the kombi was on fire.  And we managed to run to the door, and just when we got outside this was a group of people attacking us.  We ran to our offices and I called Mr Erasmus.  I was phoning him to tell him about what happened on his premises, and he said, "Listen here, you're only crying for one kombi, what about my buses who were burned in large numbers?"  So I had to go from the office and be back in Botshabelo.  Now I used public transport for that reason.  When I arrived in Botshabelo time had already gone because the kombi was burning, and a group of young people passed, and they passed at my home, and those said to me, "Comrade, we are in action.  Join us."  Now, when we went along with the action I stopped them and I said, "Listen here, I want small children to go back," but they were adamant.  Then we proceeded.  This was called "ndodapandle", in other words, "all men outside."  This was happening because there were two enemies within the township, the hit squad from Dikwankwetla, the hit squad from IBL, and the policemen.  Now, the ones who were attacking were the IBL hit squads, because when we approached we wanted to go to them, they were already on their way, driven by the policemen.  They started shooting at that time, and we ran for cover until we reached my home.  It was at about half past six.  I think it was now getting dark.  When I approached my house I saw a Hippo parking at my gate, and children were assaulted.  There were some of the comrades who were guarding me every night because of the attacks that were done on me.  When I looked at this situation of these children being assaulted I went to the policemen and I said, "What do you want?  This is my property," and some of them were surprised.   And their commander, who is Sergeant Modisane, he said he is the one.  That was the beginning of the fight because I was fighting, I didn't want them to take me by force into the Hippo.  I fought with these special constables until they defeated me, they threw me into the hippo.  They assaulted me from my house.  There were some of the children in the Hippo.  They were also assaulted.  We drove until at the police station.   We were taken into a separate room.  While waiting Modisane came in.  He said, "Where's Mfazwe?"