HAPPY AUBREY MNGOMEZULU
I explained before that the situation between ourselves an Phewa was only good before the formation of Amabumvu.  After the formation of Amabumvu, it was not easy for me to approach him as an ex-colleague.  After they formed Amabumvu our relationship became very bad to such an extent that we could not even talk to them.  Even in that meeting when we were all there present, Mr Mngomezulu was present, there were many misunderstandings.  There was even a meeting called by Mr Msimande as well as another one called by Mr Gwala which ended in chaos.  By the time the meeting finished people were shooting one another.  That is why I have explained that the situation was very bad between us.