MR H DU PLESSIS
Mr Chairperson, with respect, I don't think the things to which Mr Bizos is referring don't have any dates.  As far as I can see, each incident mentioned here is not linked to a specific time at which he specifically was the Chair of the CCB.  So it's then unfair to say that the Commission mentions these incidents, are incidents when he was the Head of the CCB.  If we give dates and say for instance that it was in January 1989, whilst he was the Chairperson, Mr X was eliminated or whatever, then the witness can comment, but if there's no specific date furnished then he can't say whether it was during the time that he was the Chairperson of the CCB or not.