MR MARTINI
Chairperson, my problem with that is, not to prejudice my client, is a decision was taken by the Committee, one can find it, where the Committee stated it would allow these questions, but they would not be taken into consideration in dealing with that aspect.  More particularly since in terms of the Act, the applicants are entitled to be given notice.  They weren't, they were actually told this is going to be dealt with in chambers.  So it is - there's been a lot of surprises during these hearings and at this late stage ...(intervention)