THEMBELANI TANDEKILE XUNDU
Caddie.  So I did converse with a lot of them.  I mean, when we were there with comrade Xumiso this day he used to take this side and I take the far and then after that we ...[indistinct] that we have received.
	That day he takes this and I take the other end, ...[indistinct] so we have talked to them.  They have related their military, I mean experiences.