MR WEBSTER
Well I would agree in the affirmative to that supposition, but of course the thrust of my argument being that he is not saying so in presenting his case to you.  If he had been saying so, one could concede that.  In so far as the Major is concerned, I will concede that in so far as the perjury, possible perjury charge is concerned, I think he should be entitled to amnesty in that regard.  In so far as planting the guns and the effect of that, defeating the ends of justice, I would say he's entitled to that but on the murder of the four people or the killing of the four people, there is no reasonable justification, none at all.