MR VISSER
Yes, as I've said earlier on, there was meetings that we had prior to, I would say in January of '93, January, February, March, there were a lot of the people involved in the right wing at that stage that needed arms and ammunition.   We were also instructed from the people in charge of these and even in meetings with General Constand Viljoen, open meetings, where they openly stated that we should arm ourselves and even prepare for food shortages, as electrical cuts and that type of thing can and might be occurred at that stage.