W RIAAN BELLINGAN
I have known de Kock from the 1980's, I have a great deal of respect for him.  He was a Commanding Officer and he kept very strictly to the rules and he would only have sent us down to Cape Town on the request of the Cape Town Security Police.  I reported to him from time to time, but we actually fell under the command of the Cape Town Security Branch and he said to me that we were under the command of the Cape Town people, we should follow their orders.  So, the allegation was made that we came especially from Pretoria to come and shoot dead the Guguletu 7, that is absolute rubbish.  With all respect, I must say then, Colonel de Kock would have done that operation himself if that was the case.  He would not have allowed a junior to do it.  At that stage he was very, very strict in regard to this kind of operation.  So, there was absolutely no question of not knowing what was happening on the ground.