TESTIMONY_GIVER:
  I would also like to know who are these people who did this thing, because it didn't end in 1986.  In 1987 they threatened my children to an extent that they couldn't walk freely.  They took Sithembiso twice and arresting him, where he was assaulted by police until his ear drum burst.  At the moment one of his ears is deaf, it can't hear.  And Sipho also was arrested.  They said there were lots of bombs at home.  They came with one bomb and said there was another nine bombs at home.  There were about 12 vans.  There were also dogs, police dogs, who had come to sniff out these bombs.  I said they must search around.  They looked around and they said to me no, I must uncover these bombs.  So I said, "No, you go ahead, look, because you are the ones who know where these bombs are."  They went to fetch the dogs.  The dogs ran around, but they didn't find anything, but they still took Sipho.  They took him to another Ticky's friend.  They said he must show them where Ticky stays in Inanda.  Where they lied them down and assaulted them while they were lying them down.   From there they took them to Phoenix Police Station, and then they brought them back again and brought them to KwaMashu.  That's where Sipho was saved, because my employer at that stage asked them - he asked the station commander, saying, "Could you tell me what is his charge?"  If he doesn't tell them what Sipho's charge was he will go ahead.  That's how Sipho was released that day.  One of the guys who he was arrested with stayed in detention for 18 months.