ABOOBAKER ISMAIL
No, on the basis of those facts not.  However one must reiterate.  In the minds of the operatives, they understood there would be Security Force personnel in that place.  They could not say exactly how many, they understood that they congregated at that point, they understood it could be in large numbers and that is what is before us and on the basis of that, they acted.  For that the African National Congress and I take responsibility.