MR VISSER
Oh I see, I understand what you're saying.  I assume that that would entail that nothing was done before the conference, that everybody waited until the conference before this was decided and then there was an implementation which was then commenced.  I understand what you're saying.  In fairness to you I'm going to argue differently on the words here, I'm going to suggest that it was in April 1983 that all of this happened.