GEORGE BIZOS
Oh, I beg your pardon, I'm sorry.  It's because of his absence that ...(indistinct - no microphone)
	Then what we say is that if you have a look at paragraph 5, would you note that it's at paragraph 117, A117, and 117 deals with the whole of paragraph 5 up to 5.5.  So this is where you will find the argument, Mr Chairman.  And we say that:
"The allegation made in the amnesty applications of Webb, Burger and Basson that the police involvement was impossible, is false and was known to be false by the applicants at the time that their sworn statements were deposed to."
What we say is, please have a look at paragraph 118. 
	In relation to paragraph 7, please look at 121, B336, B338 and B342.  This is again in relation to Calla Botha's evidence.
	Now if we go to paragraph 8:
"The evidence of the applicants that Hardien was to be paid R30 000 merely to place in an empty hall a bomb not intended to kill or injure any person, should be rejected as false."
And we ask you to look at paragraphs 124 to 127 and paragraph 132.