J A STEYN
Chairperson, Botha informed me, as I said in my evidence, that problems had arisen.  He referred to the fact that we had Shabalala in our possession and that we did not know what to do with him.  He said that in the light of Shabalala's arrest, a fear had arisen that if he had to be set free, that he would endanger the position of Ndaba in the ANC.  We discussed different matters.  Over and above this Shabalala, he said that Shabalala suspects that Ndaba was co-operating with the police and that setting him free for this reason would probably not have been possible.  Ndaba, according to Botha, verbalised his fear and that the ANC, as a result of the arrests on the 7th, had or could have become aware of the arrest on the 7th and Botha said that up to that stage his conversation had been of such a nature that it would, or that it appeared that Ndaba would rather want to play open cards with the ANC if he had been set free.  This is more or less the conversation that had taken place that day.