ANDRIES MATANZIMA NOSENGA
Sir, I am saying, I heard him saying
"a snake gives birth to another snake"
And these were - Sir, I said Victor said, Victor kills a snake and if a snake gives birth to another snake he will kill the snakes.  And he was also asked, he continued to say:
"When Shaka went out on a battle he would come back with a loot like live cattle etc"