FERDINAND BARNARD
No, I just assisted Mr van Zyl in this.
	I would just like to say while I am recalling this, I knew that the end product in this case, was not directed towards, or was in the end directed to the death of Trevor Tutu and I did associate myself with it.  I was satisfied that this was a good thing to do.  I am not running away from my own guilt in this.  I am also aware that in my evidence for how long it may take now, and, that I will incriminate myself in things that I did not apply for amnesty and also the evidence that I gave yesterday concerning the Webster case and all the others, I did not apply for amnesty for these cases, and I cannot apply for amnesty now.
	I am doing it for a different reason.  Like I said, there was an event that took place, that made me rethink all these things, and I decided to tell the truth in the spirit of reconciliation, and for myself.  I wanted to get all this rubbish, put it all behind me.  I am not running away from the fact that I knew that Mr Tutu junior was going to be killed, although the original project was directed against his father, Bishop Tutu senior.