PHILLIPUS JOHANNES CORNELIUS LOOTS
Bokaba came to me early on in 1987 and he indicated to me that there was a man with him in the singles quarters at the Mamelodi police station, somebody who stayed there with him.  The man was identified to me as the applicant in this amnesty application, Ngo - he was identified by Bokaba.  I indicated that Hendrik had to make an appointment so that the man can come and see me, so that we could have an interview.
	This interview did take place, Bokaba brought the man to my office in the Compal building on the 3rd floor where my offices were and also in the presence of Bokaba, I had an interview with Ngo so that he could be transferred to the security branch.  The interview took approximately half an hour and the applicant Ngo, then left my office.  Mr Chair, that was the first time in my life I ever saw Ngo and that was for half an hour, if it was a little longer I apologise but that was also the last time I ever saw him, I never saw him after that.  I knew him for half an hour in my whole life.