ADV SIGODI
Mr Van Der Berg, excuse me.  You know for the purposes of this Committee, does it really matter when the applicant lodged his application, as long as it was before the cut-off date?  Does it, what is the relevance of it if he didn't apply earlier, if it took him three years to apply, more than three years?  Because all we want to know is whether the act was an act associated with a political objective and if he has made a full disclosure in regard to this act.  If we could just confine our questions to those two aspects as laid down by the act.  That he didn't apply maybe something you could deal with in another forum, not in this forum.