BOY VUSIMUZI GWAMANDA
I have made many attempts to try and see Matthew Phosa.  That is something I cannot discuss here at the Truth Commission, it is something that I have to discuss with Mr Phosa.  I have made attempts to see him and I am still planning to see him and Mr Nklantla, Mr Joe Nklantla, something that I cannot discuss here because I have a lot information to give to the Intelligence.