ADV PRIOR
Mr Chairman, one other matter before I call Mrs Klukas is that we have the original bundle of photographs.  I have placed that - I have taken the liberty of placing it before you Mr Chairman.  The bundle which has the open sketch plan and if one looks at the first photograph.  Mr Chairman, those photographs have been reproduced in the bundle before the Committee from pages 35 onwards.  One has a far clearer picture of Point A in relation to the road which I understand as Park North - North Park Road which is the road immediately before the Ellis Park Stadium and one needn't or unfortunately we don't have a distance, exact distance in the key to the photographs but judging solely by the eye, one does not want to argue metres, my learned friend and I, Mr Landman, has agreed that the facts speak for themselves.  I mean the picture speaks for itself.  If one looks at photograph 2 one can see in the foreground to the right a gate.  It would seem that that gate also forms part of the Ellis Park premises.  The second photograph, it's one of these fences, a fenced gate.