MR VISSER
Mr Chairman, we have offered to make these available to my learned friend.  He hasn't 
been listening to
what I've been saying.  We are under no obligation to him to give it to him, I am not going to undertake to 
give it to him any period of time beforehand because it depends on when they are going to become 
available, we've got the right to place before you evidence where we are implicated Mr  Chairman, so I 
don't need his objection or his admission either.  We've offered it Mr Chairman, we certainly don't want to 
get involved in an argument about it with my learned friend.