MR VISSER
Mr Chairman, my attorney asked me to state the case to you on a different basis.  We have the evidence of Botha, that they were informers, they were also applied in whatever way in order to effect the abduction.
	That is the prima facie evidence before you.  I hear you Mr Chairman when you say shouldn't this matter be resolved by an enquiry by an independent legal person.  That is something which we haven't considered yet and we would like some time to think about that, because it seems like an imminently reasonable suggestion Mr Chairman, and if there can be safeguards built into that, some safeguards which we will have to think about, some safeguards.
	If I may make the submission Mr Chairman, judging from the reaction from the audience, one can imagine what is going to happen to these informers if their identity ever becomes known.
	Mr Chairman, may I refer you to that case and ask you Ghani's case Mr Chairman, and ask you to read it.  At page 212, I will not read all of it, but you have already given an indication that it may be, page 211 I am sorry.