MPHITHIZELI NELSON NGO
In 1986 it happened that we arrested people at random. There was a state of emergency at that time.  Among those people we arrested Pappi, I knew him as JJ.  We took him to Fountain Police Station.  We took him to one of the rooms.  It was myself, Adjutant Killian, Sgt Mamone and Const Motala.  Warrant Officer questioned JJ or Pappi, why didn't he contact him again to bring information.  Pappi responded by saying he doesn't want to be an informer any more, because that put his life at risk.
	After that Warrant Officer Killian, he said Pappi should refund his money which he used to pay him as an informer.  When Pappi denied, he said we should assault him.  We assaulted him with picks and kicked him, and hit him against the wall.  Whilst we were continuing with that assault, we took a tube, we suffocated him with that. We used to take it out and put it again and continue assaulting. Every minute we put in the tube, it happened that at that time he fainted.  After he fainted, we tried to resuscitate him.  He didn't regain conscious.  They said we should bring him back with water.  We poured him with water.  When we poured him with that water, we thought he would regain conscious.  He was not able to regain conscious.  We asked Warrant Officer Killian what to do.  He said we should take him out and put him in a car.  
	We took him with to Batto location.  When we arrived at Batto township, we took him between Batto location and Botshabelo location.  There is an open veld.  He said Warrant Officer Mamone and Warrant Officer Motala, should take him to the veld.  They took him to that veld.  They just dropped him there. I heard a gun shot.  Then they returned.    They informed Warrant Officer Killian that that person in the cupboard, so they finished him off.  Then we went.
	In the morning when we reported at work, the policeman from Batt location phoned us.  They phoned Warrant Officer Tzwamitze.  He said myself and Motalo should accompany them to the location.  When we arrived there, a certain sergeant or warrant-officer, I don't remember his rank, is Tobihi - his name is Modisa, I don't know if Modise is the surname or a name, whether his surname Tobihi or Modise, I don't remember well.   He said there is a person who was wearing a UDF T-shirt who was found in the veld, we should try to explain to him who is that person. Warrant Officer Tzwamitze said he doesn't know that person.  Myself and Mamone were able to recognise that that was the person we assaulted yesterday.  Then we left Batto township.  We returned to our office.  
	The explanation we want to give:  during the period of torture Motsamai was in the office, but he didn't take part in the assault, because he was busy with other detainees in the office.