JOHANNES JACOBUS VIKTOR
Again Chair, I did not give an instruction.  I did not have the power to give an instruction.  The detail mentioned there by Captain Hechter is definitely not the case with regard to what actually occurred in the conversation.  I have already given testimony Chair that I said if a police officer's house is attacked with a petrol bomb - it was in this conversation that they've mentioned that they know who the responsible persons were, that the same actions should be replied with in retaliation.