MR JANSEN
No Mr Chairman I object to this question.  It's factually incorrect.  There was never been mention made of a stop-over in Ermelo, not as a direct piece of evidence.  It was made by way of assuming that because of the reference or the alleged reference to Deetlefs and Rorich that there was an assumption that there was a stop-over in Ermelo. I am not aware of any piece of record of Mr Coetzee putting it in any other way.