MR SHEIN
Sir, he is also - it is unlikely in his circumstances, if I might just mention, it is unlikely that a trial would ever follow.  It is not known as to whether this killing was ever investigated, they were people unknown to the, they were people completely unknown to the applicant, although he knew they were hostel dwellers and they were at the time, as he will testify, they were at the time in fact carrying out an attack in Thokoza, the Beirut section.