NICHOLAS JACOBUS JANSE VAN RENSBURG
Mr Chairman I was not in the position that I recruited or talked to this person myself, but this specific person, Mr Kondile, I've worked with many trained people during my career, or with liberation fighters, freedom fighters, and I can assure you it differs from person to person.  In the one instance you have no problems with the person right from the beginning.  He provides the information immediately he co-operates. You recruit him easily.  And then you find others would never be recruited, never, ever.  So it differs from person to person.
	It is not strange that it happens in that way.  Taking into regard that he had been in Bloemfontein for a while and he had provided them with information there also, important information according to me.  And that he came to the Eastern Cape to provide further information.  According to my experience in the Security Branch the person who provides information so quickly can be bought and can be recruited easily.