CARL CASTELING BOTHA
It would have been denied categorically by Mr Verster.  On various occasions through my regional manager and through Nick Nienaber I said that my involvement was of such a nature that it could expose the structure.  I was led to understand by Mr Nienaber in no uncertain terms that the situation with regards to Mr Barnard was under control and that it would be pressed in a certain direction in order to bring about his release.  Which did not happen.