MR MALAN
Mr Visser, I just have a question following this, I am not challenging anything.
	You also mentioned that at the time of the abduction, a decision had been taken that she probably would have to be killed.  From the evidence thus far, that wasn't made clear that it is the same decision which you are talking about, that Steyn was involved, because there wasn't such evidence to my knowledge, in the probability of her killing before the abduction.
	He does not give any such evidence in his application which Mr Botha confirmed.  He said he had read Steyn's application, and he incorporates it in his.  Will you at some stage please deal with that too.