MR WESSELS
Well the Committee can make a finding to say we accept the one and not the other, if there are reasons to prefer one above the other.  The difficulty that comes in is if the Committee is uncertain as to who is in fact correct.  And then the problem comes in Mr Chairman, the question posed is very interesting, it's a very interesting question and the answer is quite difficult.  One of the two is wrong, clearly wrong.  Now if it is Webb that is wrong, then clearly Verster is entitled to amnesty.  If the Committee is uncertain who is wrong, then you can't refuse Verster's amnesty on the possibility that it was Webb that's right and Verster is wrong.
	So before you can then find against Verster, you must make a positive conclusion that Verster was not telling the truth, that he was lying on this particular aspect.