LAURENS MBATHA
You know I think I will have to really think about it, that is a request I would like make because the atmosphere by then as I've said to you - after the incident there was chaos, there was no disclosure at that time, until when I communicated it up.  Until that we identified that we should go over to - because attempts to get hold of Smiles at that time were very difficult, hence I referred that he actually was not comfortable with my absence.  Hence, the night when I was called over to the building I was with him - I don't deny the fact, I spoke to Smiles ...[intervention]