STEPHEN DONALD MAKHURA
Yes, Sir, he is Mr Collie.  Well I need to go a little bit, Sir.
"The operation to go and defend the people in Natal was not an MK operation, it was an operation of the Self Defence Units.  Even though I am a member of Umkhonto weSizwe it was not an MK operation because MK suspended armed operations long ago, on the 6th of August 1990."