MR VISSER
Mr Chairman, I am very pleased to hear you say that because I was afraid you may say something different. But if that is the case, Mr Chairman, then we all know where we stand and then approach this matter on the question of, where do the probabilities lie? We will address you on that when we deal with the evidence.
	What is more important, Mr Chairman, is, what is the basis of the applications of these two applicants? we submit that the basis upon which they have advanced their applications to you is not that they themselves had a political objective to do what they did. They explained to you, as we understood their evidence, that their commanders had a political object, but they only acted on instructions. Mr Chairman, this is so important because that restricts the whole inquiry, with great respect, to one question and one question only, and that is that you must find at the end of the day in each and everyone of these cases that they were instructed on a balance of probabilities. That is the issue before you. I don't intend to over-simplify the matter, but I will read the section of the Act to you in a moment.
	First let me refresh your memory about the evidence because both these applicants have been asked this very same question to make it absolutely clear.
	As far as Mr Ngo is concerned, I would refer you to the record, page 101, at the bottom, going over the page to 102. May I be allowed to read it to you, Mr Chairman? It is myself cross-examining and I will read it slowly, if you don't have it before you, so that it has time to soak in, so to speak. 
It goes as follows:
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