MR KAHANOVITZ
I am going to tell you what Jumbo Smit said, was that he was given, Aitcheson was given the name of a person with a pager, that he had to make contact with from time to time and the name turned out to be a false name, however, on further investigation it turned out that the payments for that pager, were being made from Mr Barnard's account, which is why, how Jumbo Smit traced Ferdi Barnard in the first instance, are you aware of that?