MR WILLS
Yes.  Now you confirm I think as Mkhize - well can you confirm what Mkhize says and I think you confirm it in your affidavit at 29, where later on another meeting was held at Ulundi and basically the contents of the meeting that you'd held at Shlangalane Hall with the local leadership was confirmed with the senior hit squad hierarchy at Ulundi and that included Hlungwane - Captain Hlungwane, M.Z. Khumalo, Mandla Induna whom we know is Mr Luthuli - those people, is that correct?