MR VISSER
All right.  So, we have the first part of that sentence is not the truth.  The second part of that sentence and Elia Mohapi is, in fact - have I got it wrong now? - no, the second part as far as it refers to Elia Mohapi is correct, that is the truth.  You have no knowledge and you were not involved.  So, that is correct.  Then paragraph ... (intervention).