MR VISSER
I believe it is Justice Myburgh, but I am under correction Mr Chairman, I will check that for you and let you know.
	It is at Carla's, at page 233 - 234.  I believe it is Justice Myburgh speaking here.  However that may be Mr Chairman, if it were His Lordship Justice Diplock, with respect, it won't have compelling or binding - it won't be binding authority in this country Mr Chairman, but certainly it would be authority of a very persuasive nature, especially in view of our constitution which says that in dealing with matters, regard should be had to foreign law as well.
	Mr Chairman, we submit that it is clear from the reading of Carla's case, that considerations taken into account on whether to order disclosure of the identity of the informers, must of necessity include the question of the effect of such an order, upon all aspects of the work of the police in fighting crime and the safety of the informers.
	If I may say so Mr Chairman, it is important to realise that it is not a question which can or should be considered in isolation with regard to the facts or circumstances of any particular case Mr Chairman. 
	We submit with respect, that one must not be blinded by the facts of the particular circumstances here, of Ms Ndwandwe, being abducted from Swaziland during the struggle of the past, with all the accompanying political undertones, etc and say that in those circumstances, I am going to order you to tell me who the informers are.
	The effect of such an order Mr Chairman, is an universal effect, on all the work of the police.  The police also of today.