JACOBUS JOHANNES DE RU
That was information which went from Fouche to them.  That was information that went from Fouche to Harley.  I'm talking specifically of Harley now.  This information about the Chinese person who was involved, I do not know where that information came from.  I also testified that around this report it was necessary for me to write this letter to Eikenhof with regards to the allegation in paragraph 14.