BERNARD MAKGABO NGOEPE
Which makes my, emphasises the point that I am making.  If you, as counsel for the applicant, are not even able to answer that query as to whether there is a clear application by your client with regard to Mr Molefe, it just makes it worse, it makes it even more dubious.  I have a problem about people not coming out clearly and specifying that, look, I have done this, I have assaulted this man, I want amnesty for him.  I have a problem with that.