MR HATTINGH
Mr Chairman, as far as documentation is concerned I do have - I think had in my possession copies of the witness statements pertaining to that incident but they are my clients so I will quote from them but I don't think it's necessary for me to make it available but at the same time if you allow me I think if there's anything to be said about full disclosure and advising other parties involved in this hearing about documents, I think the finger is not supposed to be pointed at me but supposed to be pointed at the applicant and his legal representative.  If they wanted to make full disclosure of all relevant facts, documents, everything pertaining to the application then they should be the one to be under the obligation to make available those documents to us not for us to try to get it from somewhere else and then once we are confronted with them then they can say well we didn't prepare properly for this hearing because we don't have all those statements that our client made in preparation for this thing.