GEORGE BIZOS
Have a look from line 10 to - well start reading from line 10 and we'll stop you.
GEN WEBB
"MR BERTELSMAN:   On page 1566 it is said, starting at approximately line 7: 'I deal now with the incidents and Gen Badenhorst's statement which has already been mentioned, which is relevant to the Commission's inquiry.'
		7B:  Bruce White, Gavin Evans, Dullah Omar.  Above-mentioned persons were monitored by the CCB as part of the CCB's normal activities to gather intelligence, correct?"
		"Yes."
		"Did you hear that evidence during the Harms Commission?"
		"Yes."
		"You knew, General, that that evidence was not the truth, is that not so?"
		"Yes, Your Honour"
		"You neglected to bring that fact to the attention of your legal representatives, is that not so?"
		"Yes."
		"You neglected to bring that fact or to correct that fact in your affidavit which you read into the Harms Commission testimony?"
		"Correct."
		"And you went further, General, when I was cross-examining you regarding this aspect specifically.  You confirmed that it was only a monitoring which had taken place, correct?"
		"No. Your Worship, may I - I have said that in respect of Omar I have no knowledge of that, in respect of Evans also no knowledge except the Evans/Grosskopf connection."
		"Yes, but we're not now talking about that Evans, and in any event you say you are not allowed to talk about that and that is on the instructions of the Minister.  We're now talking about Gavin Evans.  Now Your Worship, may I refer you to page 2082 of the proceedings before the Harms Commission."
		"COURT:   Yes, yes, I have it."
		"MR BERTELSMAN:   Good.  Approximately from line 8 onwards, and I put it to you, is it correct that Mr Joe Verster was the only channel which was your contact at the CCB?  Your answer was 'Correct.'  The fact that Mr Joe Verster did not reveal this to you or submit this to you was a disregard of a standing order and this refers to these projects."  
There I was interrupted by Mr Hattingh.  
"Mr Chair, that presupposes ..."
and the Chairperson then says to me:
"You ignore Mr Verster's evidence because Mr Verster's evidence was that he had no knowledge of such an elimination, not so?"
		"Yes, Your Worship."
		"Very well.  Whilst this opportunity presented itself you did not say 'But Your Worship, that evidence is false, he did know because he authorised it himself as he admitted to me', not so?"
		"Yes, Your Worship."
COURT:  ..."
...(intervention)