RAYNER MARIA MORINGER
Okay, until the 12th of April 1991, I did not have any business interests in the Transkei and thereafter, I did not have any business interests, any negotiations with anybody in the Transkei, to set up business there.  My business was in Johannesburg.  However, when I had to go to the Transkei and abandon my business here after the Police arrived at my house, I was sitting in the Transkei in a house, not doing anything because I couldn't pursue my business in Johannesburg, and I was basically sitting in the Transkei doing nothing.  After a while, I decided while I am there, I might as well get involved and set something up because the whole transition in South Africa, and not forget, we are talking late 1991, that the whole transition in South Africa is going to take time and the way the situation was, there was no chance for me going back to South Africa or Johannesburg before the new government was in place.  I was looking in Umtata where I was based to set up and do something constructive to make money for myself, because I didn't have any income at the time and try to do some business.  This is when, I think it must have been 1992, the idea with the lottery came up.  That idea with the lottery and the consequent attempt to set up the business, was a result of my being in exile in the Transkei and not as a result of a business deal against an abduction.