AZHAR CACHALIA
The other side of the coin, Chairperson, if I might again humbly say sir.  Sithole is a person who want to sort out this particular issue.  He goes there, I say the probabilities of Magwaza not knowing he could use a firearm which he used on animals 25 years ago is a different matter, but gives him the AK-47, the probability but I'm saying that ...(intervention)