MR VISSER
I do beg your pardon, Mr Chairman.  It is 45, yes.  Did I say something different?  I'm sorry Chairperson.
	Yes, Mr Chairman, we did not present you with evidence, this is not part of the evidence from this witness, I just want to point this out.  We did not present you with evidence about Special Ops itself, but suffice to say, for purposes of the present hearing, Special Ops because a special operations as the name would indicate, which was launched by Pres Oliver Tambo himself through Mr Joe Slovo and the operative in charge was a gentlemen by the name of Aboobaker Ismail, whose MK name was Rashid and he applied for amnesty, Mr Chairman, before the Amnesty Committee, as you might be aware, and he assumed responsibility for the incidents which were mentioned in the evidence of Mr Wasserman.  When Mr Wasserman said he was informed, he was in fact informed by us because we just wanted to place that information before you.  
	We would submit with respect that it's not necessary for you to concern yourself more than that with the whole issue and the concept and the activities of the Special Ops.  In the statement to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission by the ANC, the one of August 1996, so it's the August 1996 ANC statement at page 49, at the foot of that page on the right-hand side, Mr Chairman, there is a reference and it's a very brief reference to Special Ops, about what they were about and then in different other places when the structures were set out, particularly in Mozambique, you will find references to Special Ops and that would be after the TRC had asked for further elucidation and the ANC supplied their further submissions, 12th May 1997  and that you will find for example, Mr Chairman, at page 53 and also at other places, but that's just to place it in perspective.
	I have no further questions to this witness, Mr Chairman.  If you need any further information about Special Ops for whatever reason, we can give you a lot of information about them, Mr Chairman.
NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR VISSER