MR DONAN
You see, I'll be brutally frank with you, my clients who I represent would really like to know who was responsible for all of this - over an above Mr Benzien.  And every time we ask for a name we don't get an answer, we get who you think or we get - in your particular case, this document which we've all heard before, up to about page 6.
	Do you agree with me that what is recorded here up to page 6, was the regular evidence that you or Mr Stadler would give in every security trial in regard to whether witnesses should give evidence in camera ...[inaudible] the punishment of the accused?