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not De Kock.  And furthermore I would like to say that the people who worked with me, did not look 
anything like the people on the video.  I refer to Colonel Venter, he was the type of man who worked with 
me.  
	Furthermore, parties as the one on the beach, would not have been, never have been allowed in 
my time.  I would also like to say that De Kock was transferred to me from Koevoet, I did not want him 
there, but I was given an instruction to take him.
	Those type of things never happened under my command and it would never have happened 
under my command, I kept my
foot on De Kock's throat and such things would never have happened under my command.