MR HATTINGH
Yes, that is true, but as I've indicated, I was told during the break that this statement came to be as an annexure to an application.  It's referred to in the  application to the Amnesty Committee, a former application, timeous application.  It did form part of the application.  So, whether it was signed or not, that perhaps is only a matter of evidential value or not, but it was ... (intervention)