MR WESSELS
Mr Chairman, may we hear who those witnesses are, because we are entitled to know what witnesses will give evidence and what the allegations are against us.  That is not only what was agreed at the pre-trial meeting, but that it also in terms of the administrative law as I understand it.  So if Mr Bizos intends calling witnesses who will say that, let him tell us who that witness is going to be and what he's going to say.