PROF DE KOKER
Forty, 40, and that is about the seventh, eighth line.  We can start about three lines before that.
"We went all the way to town ...",
this is relating his experiences in connection with the march,
"... to town and when we arrived here and I was not told what the whole cause of the trouble was when I got into the car.  That was never explained to me.  What then happened is that the Major asked me, this Laurens Mbatha I am referring to, Commander of the Northern Cape, when we went up and he then took me to the Oakley centre at the fourway, it is a fourway stop, and there are lots of people and it was time to go home.  We got off there.  When I got out of ...",
... (intervention).