BERNARD MAKGABO NGOEPE
Sorry to interrupt.  Mr Bizos, is this really a fair question?  The - what appears in E11, paragraph 5, is a method of achieving a political objective, and can't it be said that by framing in broad terms, the political objective in the application form, that already encompasses almost everything, and I mean, in an application form an applicant can hardly be expected to set out every method he will employ to achieve the political objective.  (Applause).