GIDEON JOHANNES NIEUWOUDT
Yes, I could do that but I want to emphasise it - I cannot see that alcohol was consumed, it was not a festive occasion and I don't believe Captain van Zyl would have permitted it.  If they had it in their bus, that could have been possible, if they had it on the way, that could have been possible - they could have consumed it, I didn't see it and I don't think Captain van Zyl would have allowed it, that is how I see it.