ADV DE JAGER
I don't want to interrupt you, but we are dealing with political related offences, we are 
not dealing with extenuating circumstances.  That is what the court would deal with.  As I've already 
indicated, what we see there, I don't regard it as evidence. Once it's confirmed by a witness under oath that 
may be a different position.  So really what the police are doing in the ordinary prevention of crime, I don't 
think that is very relevant to our task here and we don't want to be engaged in long hearings about 
irrelevant things here.