RAYNER MARIA MORINGER
Okay, I was given a telephone number by Colonel Mzwaiba, a Johannesburg number, which they obtained through a telephone conversation intercept and that was the number, Mr Mbotoli was suspected to be staying.  I checked the number with various numbers and I found that the number was actually the office number of a certain Mr John Strong, who had an office at I think it was 127 Oxford Road in Johannesburg.  I went there ostensibly to visit John Strong, hoping that Mr Mbotoli would be there as well, and we could sort of, we hadn't seen each other for many years, and that sort of we would, I would find a reason to be in touch with him again.