GIDEON JOHANNES NIEUWOUDT
"Your Honour, at the time of
this incident I was a lieutenant in the South African Police at the security branch in Port Elizabeth.  I was the unit commander of the information component, having to deal with Black issues and my direct commander was Maj Herman du Plessis and Col Harold Snyman.  He was the regional commander of the security branch in the Eastern Cape.
		I cannot remember who Mr Mkhuseli Jack is, in terms of the regulations or stipulations that was constituted in terms of the Act of Public Security 1953 and proclaimed in the Government Gazette, reference number R121 of 21 July 1985, who arrested him on 3 August 1985.  I also cannot remember who gave me the instruction to detain Mkhuseli Jack.  
		The detention of Mkhuseli Jack was to my opinion necessary and the extension of his detention at that stage was also important and necessary for the maintenance of public order, the security of the public and to end the state of emergency.  I personally had him detained at the St Albans Prison at Port Elizabeth.  If you can just look to Annexure 15."