PHILLIPUS CORNELIUS KLOPPERS
My apologies I do not understand the exact meaning of your question.  You are harping on one issue and the only way that I can explain it is as follows.
	During the court proceedings I said that I took the blame upon myself that we did not act under orders to shoot those people.  I said that I don't know why I shot the people but it was not only to indemnify myself but also to indemnify the generals and staff of the AWB as well as General Japie Oelofse.