MR WAGENAAR
P28.  We are not addressing at all the merits of what we 
are referring to, we're simply taking you through the document, exhibit P30 to 
explain to you how it's supposed to work.
	Mr Chairman and then last week another document was produced by the 
Committee which was forwarded to us and there's a document marked 
Annexure B.  You will certainly see it at some stage or another if you haven't 
got it already.  The reason why I mention that Mr Chairman is merely for this 
purpose, to show you that Miss Motsamai has placed three documents before 
you apparently, we also don't know what the status of Annexure B is, we will 
have certain submissions later, but what we've done Mr Chairman is from the 
point of view of incidents, we have over the five pages before you dealt with 
every incident which was mentioned in the application form in the first column, 
in Exhibit P28 in the second column and in Annexure B in the third column, 
and then simultaneously Mr Chairman, in the last column we dealt with the 
evidence on the application form and the annexure thereto of Mr Ngo. So that 
the purpose is this, Mr Chairman, you could at a glance, see what incidents 
have been referred to by both these applicants, where they were referred to and 
in a sense, to a certain extent, how they either agree with each other or how 
they conflict with each other.
	That's the only purpose of Exhibit P30 is to give you a working 
document if it's of any assistance to you.  We don't hand it in for purposes of 
proof of the contents thereof, it's simply a working document.
	Mr Chairman may I then refer you to another...(intervention)