MR VAN DER HOVEN
Mr Chairperson, van der Hoven for the record, could you just allow me to just to place on record what we have agreed?  That our legal representatives here on behalf of the implicated persons, the fact that we will not take certain evidence in dispute or dispute that evidence will not necessarily mean that our clients agree with the evidence.  That has been agreed at a previous hearing with Judge Wilson in order to shorten the proceedings.  If that be in order.