CHAIRPERSON
You mean the case that was raised by the other witnesses was that Nofomela hates de Kock so much that he's prepared to implicate himself in the murders falsely and taking the risk that de Kock is able to bring incontrovertible evidence that places him totally elsewhere from where the scene of the attack was, so he took that risk, if I understood that argument correctly.  He took the risk that he's now going to lie and say that de Kock was on the scene, well knowing or taking the risk that de Kock is able to bring witnesses like it's happened here, to indicate that clearly he was elsewhere, he was somewhere else.