MOKOTEDI MPSHE
Yes, Mr Chairman.   Mr Chairman, my colleague used the soft targets.   If I have to define what was meant by a soft target in political circles, it will take long and certainly the police will not come into that picture.   Mr Chairman and members of the committee, the police, it's well-known that the police were targeted for various reasons or motives.   I'll quote two.   One, the activists or the liberation movements would say that, "We've got to target the police because we see them as the wing of the apartheid regime.   Now if you remove the legs, the head will come down.   Now the head was the apartheid.   Another reason, the police would be targeted in the street, guns be taken from them in the street, in their houses, to go and use them in criminal activities.   It is these very guns taken from police stations and the police that are used in hijackings, in robberies, and we've got a lot of cases on this aspect.  Just to add on this, Mr Chairman, we know about this, when criminals are arrested, then they'll say the guns used belonged to the police, and they could trace this gun as having been stolen from a policeman who was killed in Orlando or wherever, this is well-known.