MR BOOYENS
I do not know whether you have been supplied with these photo, aerial photographs as well.  We have been supplied with an album showing some aerial photographs of the scene, we have seen a video at the time.  I am, it, by the sounds of things, I am the only, think I am the only one who had visited the scene beforehand and in my humble submission, but, obviously subject to what my colleagues say, in my humble submission, we would be wasting valuable time going out there.  I think any Commission or Court, for that matter, would have been able to form a fairly good idea, having looked at that video, and if you look at the aerial photographs as to what the scenery looked like and to walk there and have a policeman say, no, there you can see it on the aerial photograph and this is where I stood on the ground and the whole scene looks different.  It is 12 years or eight years later.