FERDINAND BARNARD
I was busy talking about something else and I went over to the legal costs.  With my release I went to the attorneys' offices, or I was called to the offices and they asked me what were my immediate needs.  I asked for R6000,00.  It was more-or-less that.  I went to Nick McPherson, who was a senior police officer at the Detective Branch of the Security Police, he was in a co-ordinating capacity and they handed bags of money to attorneys to cover the legal costs, so as not to make it traceable back to the CCB.  They then contacted him and I was told to pick up R12,000.  The next day the CCB gave me R12,000.  I went to go and pick it up from the attorneys' offices.  And they also told me that I make use of the rest of the money to go on holiday, which I then did, for two weeks.