ADV STEENKAMP
Mr Chairman it'll take me probably half an hour, quarter of an hour to get the information.  By then I will definitely know the position and which sections will be relevant.  The only difficulty will be it will probably be in Afrikaans, but I'm not planning to use the whole record, probably just the summary of, because in the record we'll find the summary of the essential facts of indictment, and probably the summary of the sentence.  I think those sections can be relevant.