J A STEYN
Chairperson, can I please explain?  These people do the interrogation and irrespective of what they thought or did not think, they might have thought they were informers, they might have thought that these were people that we were unlawfully detaining, the fact is that their interest was to interrogate these people, to get the information that was important to them.  I cannot recall exactly how they saw it at that stage.  I did not even see any one of them at that stage, Botha negotiated with them.