DR RANDERA
I think it's very important, and they have lots of time to make that their statement if they can, we have an office in Durban as well, so if it is possible for you to get a message top them, they should actually be making a statement and Mr Sibiya.
 I just want to come back to what you said earlier on that some conflict was taking place in this area.  I'm sure it was more than just some conflict, it was almost like a war that was going on.  People were dying. In fact hundreds of people lost their lives between, certainly between 1987 and 1994, do you agree with that?