GIDEON JOHANNES NIEUWOUDT
I have no knowledge of this fraud aspect.  All I 
know is that when I had left, Brigadier Gilbert told me that some of 
the members were also involved in fraud.  He did not provide any 
detail at all.  I did not have any knowledge of that.  They were not 
working with me and I don't think it was necessary for Gilbert to 
mention it to me.