ADV VISSER
Please just a moment's indulgence.  Mr Dreyer, one aspect.  Thus far we haven't heard direct evidence from any of the applicants who could testify to this on the basis of their own observations.
	Do you perhaps know whether any of the Defence Force members fired at the combi?  Firstly did you see it and secondly, do you have any reason to accept on the basis of inference that they did or didn't shoot?