CHAIRPERSON
But I think he's raised a point in which it's alleged Mr Bizos has put something on record, which is disputed and the way it's read, the way it's written and from what you've said, it's clearly ambiguous.  Because the way I read it as it stands here is that Mr Bizos conceded that Minister Omar was a high-ranking member of the ANC and also that he was involved in the armed struggle against the State.