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there were any people there.  The shop is on the left-hand 
side. I went around it and I was between the outside fence 
and the shop on the premises.  The direction which I was 
facing was back towards the border of South Africa.
	From the members went into the house next to the shop 
and people were shot.  The people, I think Marthinus Ras 
Jnr, he was in the house, he went into the house. I think 
Willie Nortje as well and others.  I can't remember exactly 
who, but I am virtually certain of these two.  
	I later heard that an Indian man, his wife and two 
children had been killed in this operation or died in the 
operation.  They were sleeping. They were shot, explosives 
were placed in the house. 
	Yes, Willie Nortje now works for National Intelligence. 
 He is also a State witness and he was one of the people who 
went into the house.  
	Whilst after we had moved away from the house for some 
distance the house exploded, was blown-up.  The explosion 
took place whilst we were already moving back towards the 
border.  Nobody knew - when I say nobody I mean Lieut Ras, 
Marthinus Ras Jnr, he knew who was inside the house.  It was 
his information and the security branch Zeerust.  It was 
information I didn't know.  
	Specifically who were in the house - the instructions 
were that the residents had to be eliminated because there 
might be terrorists in the house.  There was no information 
available beforehand that there would be children in the 
house and nobody expected any children in the house.  If I 
had known that children would be shot dead I would probably 
have had a problem to continue with the operation.  But I 
would like to add here that I would still have gone along 
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