MR MALAN
Mr Visser, with respect, he already testified that him and Taylor after the interrogation, considered the information.  He informed Taylor about the decision and the circumstances and then he said and then we discussed the options about what to do with him.
	He has never given evidence about an attempt to turn him.  He does give it in his reasons in his application, that he was not willing to become an informer, but he hasn't testified to that.  I am asking you once again Mr Botha, did you try and convince him or persuade him to become an informer for you?