MOKOTEDI MPSHE
Mr Chairman, just to respond to what the Chair has said, it can be arranged.  I did not fully understand what was being said.  But Mr Chairman, if it means going to the Grootvlei Prison and obtaining or having access to the documents therein, Mr Chairman, not to say that I am refusing that that should be done by the TRC, but I don't see any problem, anything that can stop the lawyer to have access to these documents, Mr Chairman, because the onus is on them, Mr Chairman.  Otherwise we will be bouncing the onus left and right, Mr Chairman. He has access to the prison as well in his capacity as a lawyer, Mr Chairman.