AZHAR CACHALIA
Yes Mr Lax I've got no problem I'm just trying  to hurry the process because we've got such we're constrained by time, but I'll read that to you and it might be a better we might save time in the end.  You say on page 4 in paragraph B
"...the reason for the conflict to my belief was that in 1994 the IFP decided not to partake in the election.  That would have irritated the ANC and as a result of that the ANC started waging a war against the IFP.  I wish to apply for amnesty because I was a victim of the ANC.  I was a builder.  I lost all my property and I have nothing left."
Perhaps we should stop there and just we'll carry there's a balance of this portion I'll read to you later.  Up to now is what you're saying there is it correct, is that what you told Mr Msizi who told Mr Claassen?