MR WILLS
Now the last aspect I want to touch on Mr Khumalo is this issue of what I think we can quite accurately describe as random shootings.  You refer in your evidence to your job doing patrols and I think you said then that there was a policeman by the name of Makatini who used to drive and then you'd patrol the UDF areas in Mpumalanga and you'd get out and shoot at people, do you recall that?