MR STEWART
You see Mr Ndlovu, what Mudla Induna will say in the event that it becomes necessary is that although the instruction may have come from him through Jack Gomede - he doesn't remember that, but he didn't see you to discuss it or confirm it until after the incident, and not before.  Now that's his recollection, I don't know - you have the opportunity to comment on that, what your recollection is, whether you have a different recollection or whether you're not sure.  But that's what he says, and I can repeat it to you if you haven't followed me.