MR DU PLESSIS
Yes Mr Ngo, Captain Loots and Bokaba are applying for amnesty for incidents which are far worse than these petrol-bombings that you are mentioning here and I just put it to you that it is improbable that they - where they have applied for amnesty in respect of all the incidents they were involved in, they would not have applied for these incidents.  So, I put it to you that it is improbable that they were ever involved in these incidents that you applied for amnesty for.