MR MALAN
Really, I have no note or recollection that any evidence was led that the people or that public meeting came to any decision, they could ask questions, then the structure went aside, they discussed, they decided that the people will be punished and they decided the number of lashes.  I mean it's very important that - but we can refer to the record if we need to on this.
	On the same point, you in passing mentioned that Thulani Cele did not do it ...(end of side A of tape) 
... by Thulani himself, that he believed that he was being attacked, that this was in retaliation to a threat against him.  It was sort of a pre-emptive strike to protect him and his life.  The rumours -  I mean he so often referred to that.  Do you have any comment on that?