MR DA SILVA
Mr Chairman with respect, I don't think that is practical because an issue, for instance whether police were on the scene or not, that must be seen against the background of the global evidence, and it would be a farce, with respect, if only those issues were led, with respect.  I don't have any further submissions, Mr Chairman.
MR BOTHA(?): Mr Chairman, I align myself with the submission of Mr da Costa(sic) and I have nothing else to say.