PHILA MARTIN DOLO
I don't know even of, I started to know it when I met even this one of Kleintjie.  I know him all along as Kleintjie.  I met him I think '96 at Grootvlei at Bloemfontein.  I started then to know his real name. They also ...(inaudible) two Comrades.  I don't know their real names.