FERDINAND BARNARD
Chairperson, during my period of tenure with the CCB, I read the newspapers regularly.  For example, I focused on the Vrye Weekblad, the Weekly Mail, the New Nation and that sort of publication and that is how one would be informed regarding the prominent persons, which activists were more prominent and so forth.  For the first time I read about Dr Webster in those publications.  He was on the Support Committee and he figured quite prominently but what happened was that during one of these co-ordination sessions, Mr Lafras Luitingh made me come into pondok, but not to the place where our apartment was.  I wasn't aware of this building, it was known to me as the Penthouse Suite.  I had to go to another number.  This was in the Ponti building and Joe Verster arrived there.  I was addressed regarding two persons, one was Jay Naidoo, the other was Dr Webster.
	Mr Verster made it clear to me and before I lose my line of thought, I must just say that not one of them was aware that I knew who they were.  Joe Verster and Lafras Luitingh didn't know that I knew who their real identities were, they thought that I only knew their false names.