CHAIRPERSON
Can you give some idea?  I don't want the exact time period, was it the same day, was it an hour before, was it a few minutes before?  Give us some idea of the time span.  From the time that you say Mr Coetzer said that you must go and fetch Ms Kubheka, until the time that - what time, till the time that they picked her up at the station or at the Kentucky.  Ms Thabethe, is that what you want to know?