MS THABETHE
Thank you, Madam Chair and Honourable Members of the Committee.
	My submissions are that we argue that the applicants not be granted amnesty, on the basis that they have failed to satisfy the requirements of Section 20 of the Act, in that their act was not political and also they have failed to make full disclosure with regard tot he offences that they have applied for.
	With regard to Thulani Cele, he has applied for public violence and the murder of Dudu Ngcobo.  On the offence of public violence it is my submission, Madam Chair, that when he was asked about the motive as to why for example, the ladies were beaten at the hill, he answered that they were beaten because they were misbehaving at the proceedings at the hill during the questioning and clearly there's no political motive there.
	Further, with regard to the public violence, he claimed that when they came to collect the people at the house before they were taken to the hill, the ladies had voluntarily joined them.  And we have heard the evidence from the two victims, that they were forced up the hill and they were given lashes there.  And I would argue that the Committee accepts the victims' argument on that.