MR VISSER
That may be that they were stupid.  Mr Maharaj you seem to make a point of trying to deride the applicants.  Fine.  You're being allowed to do so, so I mean I'm not going to get into an argument with you about that, but I want to stick with the questions, let's stick with the questions.  Do you agree with me that nowhere in Exhibit J apart from Lucky who was an askari, is the identity of a single informant revealed?