CHAIRPERSON
Well perhaps you can find out and then we might be able to save some time.  We can take a short five minute adjournment and then if you could just let us know, Mr Richard, if she wishes to make a statement or give evidence.  Whatever the position, we can proceed.  If not, if you'd prefer to do it after the applicants have closed their case as it were, if I can use that terminology, then we'll just come back and adjourn the matter until tomorrow morning.  But we'll take a five minute break at this stage for you to take instructions on that point.  Thank you.