MR VISSER
Chairperson, as far as the facts are concerned, Botha gave the facts in the record, page 474 to 475, Steyn at 609 to 611 and Wasserman at 678 to 679.  Now according to the evidence of Botha and Steyn, they had certain information about Mr Blessing Mamela and his group and reference was made to Mrs Sabelo, the attack on Mrs Sabelo and the killing of some children, who was the IFP Council Member's wife.  And that happened, according to Steyn, on the 22nd of August, that was just the month prior to the event at Quarry Road.
	Chairperson, the ANC in its further submissions refers at page 89 to this incident and it is safe to assume that it did take place.  At page 89, Chairperson, the further submissions which I have is the green bundle, I understand some of them are yellow bundles, but it's this one, and at page 89 ...(intervention)