MR LAMEY
I just want to put it to you that Mr Nortje's instructions to me regarding the relevance thereof are that after the proceedings, or at least the proceedings would be ended at the hotel in Piet Retief from where they would drive back to Pretoria and my instructions are that you were aware thereof that they would visit the hotel and that you indeed visited the hotel and that that was actually the beginning of the second operation.  That's where it was discussed.  This is according to his position and his recollection.  I'm not saying by that that there were previous conversations which he has negated, but I'm just putting it to you that he says that you were there.