MR MKHIZE
Although it is difficult to explain this question, I will explain it according to my party's beliefs or policy.
	I would also like to remind you, Mr Wills, that the war between the ANC and the IFP happened in this province of KwaZulu Natal.  It mainly happened between Zulu people.  If you are aware of the history of the Zulus they are the kind of people who are used to having faction fights.  These faction fights involved struggles between Indunas, Chiefs and so on.  
	Even though this faction fighting stopped, but this spirit of being Zulus remained so when this political struggle started, that was resurrected therefore we should expect that the political war between the Zulus in this province, although it was political, there were other factors that would have influenced it - those factors being cultural.
	Traditionally when there's a war, there is no differentiation, you do not target specific persons.  Traditionally speaking your enemies are just there to be shot.  After you've killed the men you will take the women and make them yours.  The war between the ANC and IFP in this province cannot really be separated or differentiated from faction fighting.  In faction fights children are killed, everything is killed, even cats.  If the war begins traditionally, no one is spared.  What happens is that an area that had been declared as an enemy area is annulated therefore we cannot avoid that the war between the ANC and IFP took a similar vein.  You cannot really control a war situation.
	Even though I admit that when you sit down and think retrospectively, you realise that you were wrong to kill women and children but when it actually happens it's really a situation that you cannot control.  Such things do happen.  Even in our case it did happen.  Our sisters were killed, people like Mathilda and a lot of other people who may not really be known to this Committee.  Even within the IFP side there were a lot of women who were killed.  I am not by this trying to justify anything but I'm just explaining the situation as it was, as it happened in this province.  Therefore we cannot run away, we do not deny that we have killed innocent people.  
	You can look at the Gommakuta where thirteen people were killed by the Caprivians in collusion with the Boers.  You will remember that women and children were killed there.  I don't care how much IFP denies this but the truth is that the people who were killed there were killed by us for the reason that we were wanting to murder Mr Ndula.  Therefore there is the reason why the IFP slaughtered a goat because they had 
killed women and children unintentially.  Therefore such things did happen, we should not hide them now that we are here before this Commission.  We are well aware of them and we shoulder that responsibility.