SATHYANDRANATH RAGUNANAN MAC MAHARAJ
Let's start with your first question, because I'm busy thinking that one.  Charles Ndaba, Commander, killed.  Filla Ndwandwe, kidnapped killed.  Who appeared before the TRC for amnesty for Filla Ndwandwe's killing?  Capt Botha.  Who has appeared for the killing of Ndaba?  Capt Botha.  Today he is saying, "I'm an applicant for amnesty, I killed this man.  He was my agent" and he is saying, "I recruited him in 1988" and the substantive question that has risen, was he or was he not an informant of Capt Botha?  This document J1 does not allow the conclusion to flow at this stage that Charles was recruited by Capt Botha.