MR VISSER
Mr Chairman, we don't have the reference but of course the evidence - what is totally incorrect according to the evidence. The evidence was, of Ngo, he left on instructions of Shaw, Erasmus and Coetzee.  He was transported by Mamome and Ramouseau to this house.  He later went to the Hamilton shooting range with Ramouseau where he met Shaw and he was taken, at the time of the murder that evening ...[intervention]