MR SWANEPOEL
I have two short questions, Mr Chairman.  Might I just at the outset, I'm unsure whether I did this initially under cross-examination, one of accused that has been indicted, that has also been mentioned here, is also Bafana Oscar Khumalo.  I'm unsure whether I included him in that group.  He's also one of the people who are accused and who is currently making use of his rights not to implicate himself.
	Now, Mr Hlongwane, I could not help it but notice your tendency to initially forget incidents and then after leading questions by my learned friend Patel, come up with specific names and specific people who did things.  Now, as far as the hacking to death incident that you canvassed is concerned.  You mentioned that Mdu was present as well, Is that correct?