CHAIRPERSON
Another one where it might be argued, although you've dealt with it, is the Clewer incident again, where you get the insulting remark and then the reaction by shooting.  One might say, argue that that shooting was done out of malice because of the insult, but you've argued that it's not the insult, in the proportionality when you were talking about proportionality, that must be weighed, but they had a wider objective, but that is another case where malice might be considered.