DANIEL PETRUS SIEBERT
Your Honour, he was silent at that time.  He remained silent and then he began to deny in his answers these claims.  I could see that this was not with conviction and then the document drafted by Peter Jones, now handed to the Commission, I showed it to him.  I said to him, you know the handwriting of Peter Jones, here it is.  I paged to the particular page where Peter Jones discussed the commemoration pamphlet, I showed this paragraph to him.  I could then see that he had become very upset and, in fact, became angry.
	The same chair on which he sat down earlier standing there, he then slammed himself down on this chair again.  I lost my temper at him.  I went towards him, I grabbed his clothes, his shirt, I pulled him up by these clothes and when I approached him I could see that he was already rising, partly rising.