EUGENE ALEXANDER DE KOCK
Chairperson, I wouldn't be able to say that.  Could I just qualify here and say that the two persons who could give us the best information here, would be Gen Kawe and Warrant Officer Dan Naude, because it would have been simple for any of the two to contact the Security Branch at Qala and tell them please fetch Mr Ndondo.
	We would have to go and look what these two gentlemen had in mind by using Vlakplaas.  I would believe the Vlakplaas members went with a bona fide idea to arrest the man and that would include Dandala.
	But those two gentlemen could tell us, call the Security Branch, go fetch him, you know where he lives.