MR AMEEN
Thank you.  Mr Mphoreng I want to put it to you that the information you say you got from the youths - and at least my clients who are now the survivors of those six - they will say that they did not give you any of the information you claim to have got from them, that they did not admit to being UDF members, they did not admit to burning the house, they did not admit to (indistinct) any other houses for purposes of burning or any similar information which you got from them, the will deny that.  What do you say to that?  Is there a possibility that that is true?