IAN MUNRO PHILLIPS
Thank you.  Essentially what would happen was it is one thing to be told that the presents have arrived, you've got to find out where they are.
	In that situation, because I was at the University, you had free access to telephones, faxes, goodness knows what else, and I would be told, well, expect a fax, and I would toddle along to the fax room, and sure enough there would be a fax and on that fax would most probably be a diagram of some sort.
	That diagram prepared in a particular way, would have the form of a map.  I wouldn't necessarily know or understand what that map said, but it would be because of the particular way in which it had been drawn.
	That map would then be handed on to Mandla, who as a military person, trained in those particular interpretative ways, would understand what that map meant.  What he did with it, would actually be his particular business.  Most of the time, communication would take place on that basis.
	I would understand that this was a consignment of arms or ammunition or whatever it was that was in the particular DLB or Dead Drop, and that is how it would be done.
	Comrade Jeff has indicated earlier the circumstances of how vehicles could be used as DLB's.  Again information would come through, but I think the other thing to indicate is that (a) no written records of transactions of this nature were made or kept, because it was unnecessary.  Most of the communication was verbal between myself and MHQ and occasionally comrade Chris would pass through the region, and we would chat and he would indicate a few things of progress, but similarly the simple fact was that given the structure of the ANC, we would have, well we had a Regional Headquarters based in Durban and in that Headquarters would be offices for the Women's League, the Youth League and obviously for Umkhonto weSizwe  because MK as we know, was the League of an up and coming and legitimate force during that period.