MXOLISI ERNEST THANDAKUBONA
I don't know.  I think because there is an exaggeration of time here because I remember they arrived at Jeff's place at round about three in the afternoon and they then left for Shawella, not around seven, it was dusking, it was shortly after dusk.  It was August at the time and the sun would set sooner than in summer.  Yes they were assaulted for a long time, that's correct, we wanted information from them.