MR SAMUEL
Yes.  When you got to Winkelspruit, what happened, what did you see?
MR MBANE
"When we arrived there we parked our car opposite that house that was there, we then heard screams, Botha would come out and ask us that is it true that Ntombi said there were another four comrades, we would say yes, that's what she said, and Col Baker would come in and out and ask us some questions.
		After some time, after an hour or after two hours, Botha then came out and told us that that woman passed away, she is dead."