CHAIRPERSON
Well, that the incidents took place.  We have had a complete denial by every policeman who gave evidence, save for the two applicants, that anything improper took place anywhere at any time.  Now your victims have given fairly detailed evidence about what did happen to them at various times and it is on that that we would like to hear argument from you.
	I take it - I may have forgotten some things I have been told, that your efforts ...[indistinct] elucidation from the court here were not successful.