CHAIRPERSON
Friends, we have witnesses, we have eight witnesses and the minister.  Would you be kind enough Mr Kasrils to, say if we took another say, three, four, five witnesses.  We have got to indicate, we are not going to leave here without having finished.  Those who want to go home are free to do so but those that were promised that they would be heard today, have to be heard and we have to honour our commitment to them.  They are sitting here, grandmothers  [indistinct].  I hope that you will have patience.  Please call them in.