KOBUS DU PLESSIS
What we know is that at least 404 were fired and obviously it was more.  How many more, I don't know whether we can determine it, but it is a widespread area, all the cases could not have been picked up, could have missed them.  The grass was long.  We did a thorough search and then there is also the area Jongilanga Crescent where it came to my knowledge that some of the cases were removed by the troops.