MR VISSER
Reference to page 31, Mr Chairman.
	It is furthermore alleged that there was a group of people, a large group of 40  or more comrades who were students who were arrested at Botshabelo and the security branch members from Bloemfontein were involved in that.  And at page 34 of Mr Ngo's application, he alleges that members of the security branch Bloemfontein who participated personally and physically in the beating and torturing of all these comrades are - and your name is number four on that list.  He says you personally and physically beat and tortured those comrades. What do you say about that?