MR MBANDAZAYO
Chairperson, unfortunately I don't know which of these Mandlas - as Mr Lax would know, there's one who subsequently died and I could not, when I was trying to investigate which one was his real name, whether it was the same one.  But Mr Xuma, when I contacted him he said he was not sure whether it was the Mandla who was the Administrator, but he doubted if it was him who was sent him to come and assist.  But he's not sure about that, because unfortunately these records we wanted from Pretoria are these which - everything was documented there.  They know who was involved in which operation, who was sent there and their real names.  So it's difficult now after some years for them to be able to say really it was so and so who went there, except some of them they can remember.