CHAIRPERSON
My note of Mr Ngo's evidence when he was questioned by Mr Stander who said to him that Joe Makhubalo, Oupa, is here and he agreed.  And he said they were regarded as senior people, we were instructed to assault them more than the others.  They were taken to the Special Investigative Unit where we continued with the assaults.  He was then asked did you use a cricket bat and he said we used many things, sjamboks, planks, anything we could use.  Hit their heads against the wall, hit their heads, kicked them, chopped them.  So it was put to him, and he agreed that he was in that, took part in the assaults in the Special Investigation Unit's offices.