MR MALAN
May I just ask you this?  If I can summarise your argument on this point, you're saying to us that, you've quoted Williamson, that the intelligence was of the best.  The intention was never to go at the military, but to cause havoc at the level of the civilian, these people knew exactly what they were doing and they were targeting non military targets and they're simply not disclosing, they're lying to us?