MICHAEL PHILIP LUFF
That is so, yes.  As I have testified we were in a dangerous situation and because of that, the tendency was that you use SSG cartridges when you wanted to defend yourself or defend premises.  I first loaded SSG because I wanted to protect myself in the first instance.  The shotgun we used when we had to control crowds, and in big riots, first you would use the shotgun and then SSG.  In this case we used SSG cartridges for self-protection.