PROF DE KOKER
That is true.  So, somewhere, then, there must be a third person or one of the two statements is incorrect?  My attention was just drawn, members of the Committee, to page 16, that is evidence given by Mr Mbakwe to the Human Rights Violations Committee, page 16 and that is also about 60% into the page.
"I joined the other guys who were at the back.  There was Mafu Davids and another comrade.",
and I will skip a few,
"... and a few other comrades, we were about six or seven.  We were standing, observing the proceedings from the back.".
According to this statement, then, Major Mbatha, Mr Mbakwe said that he was standing at the back.