MR MEYER
I think Chairperson, Reverend, of course the Commission has the obligation, not only to find out about the truth of any situation of the past, that relates to the conflict of the past, I believe it also has the right to make an appeal on all of us about the morality of what took place in the past and therefore I accept your question in that spirit.  I fully accept that.  And in the same spirit I would say yes the mistake is obvious, the mistake that we have created an independent state like the Ciskei is the most obvious of those mistakes.  And I would not deny responsibility for that as far as the previous South African Government is concerned.  Whatever happened that particular day, and where the blame was for that particular day is almost different to that question.  The real question therefore is how could this have been avoided, and it could have been avoided by not having had the Ciskei as an independent state at all.