FERDINAND BARNARD
Chairperson, I was approached after my Section 29 detention, after I was released from detention.  I went to the Attorneys who had acted on behalf of me, Scholtz and Botha, they had been appointed by the Defence Force.  I went to their offices and there was a telephonic discussion between the Attorney and someone else, who requested that the CCB needed to know what my financial needs were.
	I stated a certain amount which I cannot recall, I think it was R6 000-00.  They notified me that I should go the following day, that they had R12,000 for me.  I went there and fetched the cash.  I was instructed to go on holiday.
	When I returned from holiday two weeks later, a telephone number was given to me and I was instructed to dial the number.  The number was the personal car telephone number of Gen Witkop Badenhorst from Chief of Staff Information, Military Intelligence.  I spoke to him and he told me that he wanted to talk to me, that there was also an arrangement between me and him to meet with each other at Adv Hennie Goosen's offices, who was also acting for him in a civil matter at that stage.
	We were to meet two days later.  I met Gen Badenhorst there and he asked me if I wasn't interested in working for Military Intelligence.  I was indeed interested, because I didn't want to be unemployed.  He said that people would contact me.  This happened shortly afterwards.  I was recruited physically by two persons, two officers from MI, namely Col Terrence Skelen and Col Gerrie Bornman.
	It was just outside Pretoria where I had my first rendezvous with them.  Over a period of approximately two to three weeks approximately, I became involved and I was appointed as an agent with DCC.