MR DUKADA
Yes, thank you.  And secondly, Mr Chairperson, I just want to correct one aspect which was criticized of the applicant here.  It would be irresponsible for me as representative of the applicant to cause damage to the moving speech made by Mr Mtimkulu before this Committee.  It is true that the applicant is extending a hand of reconciliation hence that he has volunteered to appear before the Commission.  There is, with respect, no element of arguments at all on the part of the applicant.  I may indicate that there seems to be a misunderstanding when I indicated earlier on that the victims did not give evidence.  That is true but I was putting this in the context of evaluation of evidence before the Commission.  Not because I was saying that the victims are to be blamed.