FERDINAND BARNARD
Chairperson, I was instructed to fly to Cape Town, which I did, I booked into the hotel there.  Mr van Zyl joined me at a certain point.  There was a meeting with Peaches Gordon and there was another meeting which was arranged for later in the evening, where all three of us were present.  It was me, Peaches Gordon and Mr van Zyl.  And upon this occasion Peaches Gordon took out a flat box which looked like a chocolate box and he gave the firearm to me, in the presence of Mr Slang van Zyl.