ADV GCABASHE
Mr Mbandazayo, you see my difficulty is with some of this detail where the versions are not quite the same, but if I look at it in a very broad, from a broad position, my difficulty is really with the probabilities, one:  that Thandukolo was involved at all, just on the evidence that was led - I'll set this out for you - that he was involved at all in this particular mission and that in fact that they had been given an order in the first place to carry out this mission on behalf of APLA.  But assuming that they were given this particular order, we have heard other applicants tell us; we got to a particular place, things didn't look right, we aborted - that's one of the applications that has been before us - and we went back and carried out our mission at a different time because the conditions were not right.  Here the conditions were not right from the word go.
	There are APLA operatives in other missions who abort when they see the conditions are not right, these two particular operatives continue with a mission even though everything that they, every step they take turns out to be the wrong thing that happens, they don't think of aborting at any stage at all and fleeing or going back to their commander to say we'll have to try something else at a different time.  	
	A related aspect - again just talking about probabilities, you know my recollection was there had been this general reconnoitring but if I remember well, and it's in this volume 1 of the transcript, Mr Kulman did say - and I'd asked him this - they didn't know specifically that on that particular Friday afternoon at that particular time, Mr Meyers would be there selling milk.  So the impression I was left with then and that I double-checked on now, it was in terms of the record, was it was really just by pure chance that on that afternoon at that specific time he was there.
	Now as I understand APLA as an organisation, if they set off on a mission, missions were important, the objectives were very important, they won't send chaps who do not know what they are doing or do not know how to go about doing what they are doing.  And it takes me back to the whole probability that this was in fact an APLA mission carried out on behalf of APLA.  It was so uncoordinated, it was generally just so disorganised.  I have difficulty in associating it with my perception and understanding, having heard other APLA matters of the way APLA operatives were disciplined and they way in which they operated.  I don't know if you are understanding me.  It's a very broad general question really, and I don't know if you are able to assist me at this very broad level, thank you.