MR SMUTS
Well Mr Chairman, if one looks for example at the suggestion that there was gun smuggling.  Why was there gun smuggling because heavy boxes were carried to the home of Mr Costello?  Well, with respect, these are individuals who tell you that they've been trained by the armed wing of the African National Congress to become members of the self defence unit.  That's not military intelligence, with respect.  People carry in heavy boxes therefore there must be arms in them.  There was no ...[intervention]