THABATHA NGOZO
Yes, I would like to say something in relation to this.  First of all, the reason why they labelled him as an informed.  In 1992 Mulefe came to me together with my other brother, not the deceased.  He said he will like us to talk to Auri and stop Auri, and I asked him as to what he has done.  He said, in answering, he is one of the people rendering evidence with regard to the stolen car.  A car that was stolen by Beki.  I don't know with other people, but he only mentioned Beki's name to us.  And I said to him, how can we possibly stop him because he works as a security man and we are not even present there.  We have no idea and we bear no knowledge.  And he said, please talk to him, they must never be convicted.  These people, that is.  And I spoke to Auri, and I asked him if he knew or bore any knowledge with regard to this, and Auri said, yes, he knew, and he was at work and there is no way he can withdraw or implement the request made by these gentlemen.  This is not within him in other words.  Mulefe left and came back again one day.  The case was going on at the Court, about the stolen car.