CARL CASTELING BOTHA
Yes, it was strange because we worked internally and he had the position to be able to say to Mr van Zyl: "If another bomb goes off I'll hold you responsible."  In other words, if it were to happen again he could say to Mr van Zyl: "Look I told you, look what's happened."  We were under pressure to perform internally and he was getting people from the outside to come and operate in our regions.