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Mr van Zyl, the evidence that was given at the Harms Commission was something along the following lines, it was said that PW Botha knew about the CCB and their activities, but FW de Klerk didn't, so that when FW de Klerk became the State President, until such time as he was informed, the CCB would not, as far as internal activities were concerned, would not conduct any further internal activities.  Was that your understanding?