EUGENE ALEXANDER DE KOCK
No Chairperson, this is not true.   Of the Vlakplaas members, black and white, visited him on a regular basis.  The person who told him that he would just have to take the pain, was not me, it was a Captain or a Lieutenant Snyders at that time.  The warder who was there at Correctional Services where Snyders told this to Nofomela that he, Snyders, was saying this, this warder is available, I will get his name for you just now.  He was then a Warrant Officer when Capt Freddie Khoza and Lt Snyders came to visit there, it is a person, Warrant Officer Steynberg, he was present when Snyders told him that.  This was not a message from me, Chairperson.