MR BERGER
Thank you Chairperson.  Chairperson in principle, I would submit that Mr Richard has not laid any basis for the recall of Mr Ismail.  Firstly the Section 29 proceedings, the order of this Committee still stands that it would not be competent for Mr Richard to cross-examine Mr Ismail on the contents of the Section 29.  Secondly, any differences that there may be between the evidence of Mr Ismail and Mr McBride are (a) quite possibly attributable to the passage of time and (b) are, in our submission, more apparent than real.