MR DORFLING
So if this one fact is different, let's say the whole scenario was the same, you had the background information of what transpired earlier that morning, you had a different crowd that looked different, that surged forward, all the facts you've mentioned, but for one - that was not there being the fact that this crowd was firing at you first.  That is taken out of the permutation.  Do you say that under those circumstances you would think that it would still be justified to shoot at the crowd?