MR VISSER
Yes, what he says is his recollection is  it was the three of you, yourself, Colonel Taylor and himself.  Not much turns on it but for the sake of a better understanding of the Committee, I'm just trying to clarify theses.
	The next issue deals with what was discussed at the time.  Clearly Mr Bhila was the subject which was discussed, that much is common cause.  The question is, what might have prompted Colonel Taylor in giving the instruction that he should be killed?  Now I have read in your application that you mentioned at page 33, in paragraph 1(iv), that's at the bottom of the page, that:
"Sipho Bhila was an accused in the trial involving the bomb incident at the Sanlam Sentrum in Amanzimtoti."
Now today you, and according to my instructions quite correctly stated that he wasn't charged in regard to that particular incident, he was in fact an accused in the Ramlakan case.  The point arising here, Mr McCater, and I know this is a long introduction for a question but the point arising here is why you would have said Amanzimtoti in your application and why Mr Rosslee in his application at page, I'm sorry, not in his application but in a statement, a Section 204 Criminal Procedure Statement which we will hand in later, referred to the Mac Goo Bar bomb?