ADV MOTATA
No Mr Van der Berg, if you look at it, the evidence that we have heard so far is that there was a political eruption or upheaval, which is ascribed to a war situation.  Are we able assist us please, that we could say when it stopped and if people are in a war situation, if they kill each other, can we say the other group in this war situation, who was shooting and killing in self-defence or to achieve an objective that we defeat the enemy, where do we draw the line?