MR VISSER
Yes, well see that's the point, that's exactly the point.  Can I just tell you what the evidence was, Mr Radebe, and then you can tell the Committee whether you agree with this.  Botha gave evidence to say that particularly Mr Mbane, was given instructions to infiltrate this operation that was run by Ms Kubheka and that a long time, about six weeks went by in which Mbane wasn't able to come forth with information about where MK infiltrators were in Durban.  Do you remember anything like that?