MR HATTINGH
Thank you, Mr Chairman.  I did give this whole issue further consideration during the break and I don't want to waste this Committee's or this Commission's time any or much longer.  There are only five points which I would like to mention and then I will leave it in your hands.  Number one is, I think when we deal with documentation which was submitted to the Amnesty Committee or Commission, then we don't talk about any further privilege as we know it, then we talk about confidentiality, not privilege.
	Once you've sent your application and all other documentation, statements to the Amnesty Commission then you can't keep your privilege with regard to those documents.  But the Act, on the other hand, does provide for a confidentiality with regard to those statements and documents and that's what we're dealing with here.  That's the first issue and we can, in terms of section 19.8(a) and (b) we can deduct it from section 19.89(a) and (b) of the Act where it is stated that:
"Such application documentation in connection therewith, further information and evidence obtained, deliberations conducted in order to come to a decision or to conduct a hearing shall be confidential."
Nothing about privilege.  So, we're only dealing with confidentiality.  The second issue is, and I think that is clear, is that there was only one formal application on behalf of this applicant, and we have that formal application as part of the documentation as contained in the bundle as from pages twenty three (23), twenty four (24) and twenty five (25), that is the formal application.  We are advised that there is no other formal application but this one.  
	Now, the statement about which the whole discussion is about is not a statement separate of this application.  It is the application.  Once you say, and it is stated in paragraph nine (9), on page twenty four (24), 9(iv), nature and particulars.  This formal application refers to or in it on page twenty four (24), on page two thereof, it says, "Refer to file incorporating the statement".  Now, the statement we have heard now is the statement which is not before this Committee.