TESTIMONY_GIVER:
  Msuthu Mliphe, Mpemba Mpanza, as well as - the list is quite long, and these are policemen.  Bernard and Swanepoel.  Do you know where they are at present, or where they are working?     ---   I don't know where they are working, but Swanepoel was the leader of the group that came on a particular night to attack in Chesterville.  Martinus Fivaz was the leader of the soldiers who came to attack my house in Umlazi.  