JOHANNES AFRICA MASWENG HLAPO
No, I can't recall, but I have never seen anybody stabbing Mr Jansen.  There were stones, it might have been a sharp stone because there are different stones, there's a round stone, there's a sharp stone.  It might be - there were all sorts of ...(indistinct) that people had on that particular day.  A sharp stone can possible cause a deep scar from the head.