CHAIRPERSON
Yes, I had thought that it would be approachable on a slightly different basis and as part of his evidence, really because he has confirmed that under oath, he's giving evidence, he's giving viva voce evidence under oath now and although perhaps it's a bit unconventional to lead a witness in that fashion in these proceedings, it's normally not a great difficulty.  So to my mind what has happened was really, you know, that was incorporated into his evidence-in-chief and he has confirmed that under oath so we're not so much concerned about the document, we're concerned about his evidence here confirming it.  I've asked for a copy of the document simply for our convenience because we couldn't write down word for word what was confirmed by the applicant so that's really why I asked for a copy of it, just for our convenience but otherwise I mean the document itself would have very little, if any, probative value you know, it's simply just a matter of our convenience.  So as of now we must treat that as part of our testimony, whatever was read out to him which he confirmed.