MR VISSER
That is, in fact, true. I am asking what went on in his mind, Mr Chairman, and, perhaps, again, as we have often seen in these proceedings, it may be a question of argument.  Certainly, certainly, Mr Chairman, the point about placing this on record at this stage is that, hopefully, it might assist you at some stage or other when you have come to a conclusion and you read the record you will find all of this together.  It is one the purposes of putting these questions in the order in which I am putting them.