MR LEWIN
Mr Nombela would it help if I, I know this is very difficult, if I could just ask you please a couple of other questions to try and clarify this.  You mention that the difficulties, particularly the rumours began to circulate about the Ntombela family.  This began in 1991, the two years Sipho and Musa's deaths, can you explain, I mean for those of us who don't, who haven't seen that sort of situation, how did it happen, who were the people spreading the rumours, how did you hear about them? Did people come and tell you?