LAURENS MBATHA
At that stage when I, actually, responded to the matter, as I said, there was chaos at that time.  The only issue that I raised regarding the matter, I am sorry that I have to go back to, there was chaos to the effect that the suspicion was John, Vernon and Steenkamp were part of the planning process and I had to refute that factor that it was not true.  This is the part that I recall.  That was not true, those comrades ended up, actually, being the victim of the blast.  I remember responding to a report, I am not sure was it read, but I do not recall it was Popo, because I responded, because there was chaos around the area and the unfortunate members were implicated in the matter and the whole presentation of the matter was brought in the sense that as if the three members instructed me and I just executed their instruction and I made it very clear that was not true.