REUBEN GALLANT
Well, we never kidnapped anything.  Jessie Barnard came with us to go and talk to the women, the landlord but at that stage we had the policemen guarding the houses.  Now Jessie Barnard worked for them first and then after the change in  Government then they became part of the SAPD.  
 Now - but the people regarded them as the bar policemen and that is why we went to Jessie Barnard because he had to come and speak to this woman, the landlord regarding this man she had evicted.  And that's why we went to him.