CHARLES ALEXANDER MATHER
Yes, I think everybody knew his political persuasion.  If you have to take the Herschel district it's probably about a 40 kilometre radius, a little homeland surrounded by Zastron area, the Free State on the one side, Lesotho on the other, the North Eastern Cape on the other side, and basically everybody in the Herschel district knows everybody, it's a very small community in terms of South Africa, or if you look at the large part of the Transkei, so being a small little area everybody knows everybody, everybody's in some way related to everybody else because of marriage in that area.  So yes, I knew Mr Tsembeye(?) and I knew his political feelings at that time.