MR VAN ECK
Sorry, Mr Chairperson, just before Mr Bizos moves on.  Regarding the last point in 27, he asked us to change the sentence to read the applicants in relation to Omar, then he gave certain references regarding Verster and Van Zyl.  Could he give us the references regarding Burger and Basson as well because they're only applicants in relation to Omar, while we're at the point.