GIDEON JOHANNES NIEUWOUDT
No, perhaps I'm not understanding you correctly.  What I want to say is that we were informed initially when the emergency regulations were instituted.  	Du Plessis got us all together, explained it to us and the leader elements were then placed in priority.  Everybody gave his input and the instruction was given that these people had to be interrogated, because we had to try to stabilise the unrest situation, and on that basis, we did that, but when Mr Jack was arrested;  who arrested him, I don't know.  I can't remember.  Who gave the instruction to detain him, I can't remember.  That's all I want to say to you.