MR TRENGOVE
Can I perhaps just make that quite clear.  What we were told is that the Advocate withdrew without explanation either to the client or to the Attorney.  What I am saying is that I find it very difficult to believe that an Advocate would act in that way.
	But of course, I know nothing of the facts, so whether he gave an explanation or didn't give an explanation, is not something on which I can comment one way or the other.  What I am saying is that if he didn't offer any explanation, that would have been very improper and very hard for me to believe that an Advocate would act in that way.
	He might have done so.  And let me also tell you that I also had a telephone conversation with Mr Du Plessis, like Mr Wagener, I think it would be quite improper to say anything of it here, so that nothing that I say should be understood as saying expressly or by implication, anything about that conversation.
	I don't want you to be surprised later to hear that I was making these submissions whilst having had a conversation with Adv Du Plessis and not telling you anything about it.  I don't tell you about it, because it would not be proper for me to do so.