HASSAN MALL
We've heard from you and your legal representative this morning that yesterday you met with the, I think it's the Buthelezi family, where you apologised on a personal level directly to the family.  Mr van der Merwe and Mr Zimmerman are here today, Mr Dunn unfortunately is not here, he's away in Johannesburg on business, but would you adopt the same attitude to my two clients today, would you be in a position on a personal level to apologise to them?