MR NOFOMELA
It was on 11 September.  I remember it was during the day, I cannot remember what time it was, I was with Johnny Mohani, who came to me and told me where - I knew where Lourens and them stayed - but he said to me that Lourens and them have money, lots and lots of money in their house which we can go and steal.  So I did not have money at the time and I had a large family to take care of at home and the money which I obtained by going out to work in places like Durban and Rustenberg was money which I used to claim for travelling at Vlakplaas, and when De Kock came he said that I should not be sent out any more, that I should remain at Vlakplaas and I found that by staying at Vlakplaas I did not receive this extra money any more, and I had somewhat adjusted my budget to accommodate that and I had just bought a house and furniture and my car was at the garage and I had a lot of expenses and I found that what
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MR MARAIS	226	A NOFOMELA
Johnny Mohani was saying to me about this money that we were going to go and steal there seemed like a good idea and I agreed because of my financial problems.  When we got to Mr Lourens's house we found him there and when he appeared he said to me, what are you kaffirs doing on my farm?  And he was carrying a firearm and there was no chance for me to run away.  That annoyed me, the fact that he called me a kaffir, especially when I thought of the way which I worked at Vlakplaas because quite often I worked for whites who were oppressing blacks and today here a white man is calling me a kaffir.  This term that I absolutely resented.  I was angry and he grabbed me and we wrestled for the firearm he had.  I had a knife and  firearm in my possession.  While we were wrestling I took out the knife and I stabbed him with it.  He fell with the firearm.  From there onwards I found that Johnny had already gone inside and I called him, not knowing what he had found inside the house.  I lit a candle which I had found and put it under the curtain to set the curtain alight so that whoever arrived there would think that the house had burnt down to eliminate any traces of even Johnny's fingerprints if police were to arrive.  We did not proceed to do what we had set out to do because of what then happened between Mr Lourens and myself.