CHAIRPERSON
What you call a subjective test is really that the Committee takes into account the particular circumstances that prevailed on the particular day where you had a situation as this and you had a person such as the applicant Mr Mkosana present on the scene and then you draw your inferences from there, whether conduct on his part would be reasonable under the circumstances etc.  So the subjective part of this is to take into account the reality of the situation.  We must assess this matter on the basis of the facts which prevailed there.