CHAIRPERSON
Was it actually, just to intervene, I think it was put to the witness that yesterday there was evidence, and then he agreed that that might be the case.  Initially he said that Dean Farisani was arrested because there was information about people going to his house, and then Ms Mtanga said well yesterday this is what Mr Ramaligela said. And then he said that might be so.  It wasn't his own evidence as such, other than he confirmed that it might be so.
	But in any event we are really not going to be making the finding on the validity of an arrest, what we are concerned with is the torture, so this is actually a side issue to the subject of this application for amnesty.  We are interested in what happened after the arrest.  That's what they have applied for amnesty for.  They haven't applied for amnesty in respect of the arrest of these detainees.  Continue.