MS THABETE
Yes, without a political motive.  And also it doesn't look like they committed the act for any personal gain per se.
	However, I think there are weaknesses in the whole scenario of their actions and other factors that I would like the Committee to consider.
	For example, the issue of proportionality that is the way and the extent of violence used  to kill the deceased.  Why I am saying this, it is because it appears from the judgement or the indictment that the deceased was 20 years old, she was very young.  The applicants as well, were very young.
	What they did, that is the applicants, it is true, it can't be said to have been right or wrong, but they attacked a 20 year old, who was naive like them, who was defenceless and the extent of violence that they used, maybe the Committee members can consider that, or maybe my colleague can explain.