I D BOSCH
No, Chairperson, not at all.  A person next to me asked if there was a Spyker at Vlakplaas and yes, there was a person there but he was not involved with this incident.  I did not refer to him when I said this Spyker is Vlakplaas's Spyker, I said that my suspicion or I remember that Spyker from Durban was on the mountain with us.