MARTINUS RAS
Chairperson, I didn't realise on the first day, we booked into a holiday resort and the following morning, I saw Snyman and Vermeulen's vehicles and it was rather strange to me because I did not expect them there at that stage.  I walked over and I saw that there were things that they had put in the bakkie, and these things were wrapped in black bags, they were rather surprise to see me there, and I didn't ask them anything about what was in the bakkie.  We had a short discussion and the following day, they had left, they had booked out of the place.  I then bumped into Mr Nortje in the city and he told me that they had brought weapons for the coup in Transkei.