CHAIRPERSON
No Mr Hattingh, I asked you as a judicial person, as a member of the Bar whether you could think of any examples.  I know, I appreciate your position, but there comes a time in one's career as an Advocate that one encounters questions like that from the bench and you expect it, and you can ask your colleagues there.  I am sure all of them have experienced it, to expect it, give an answer.
	That is why I asked the question.  If you don't feel comfortable answering the question, so be it.  I don't know if you follow me, but that goes with the terrain of the work.  When I was in practice, I often had to make concessions for obvious reasons and I used to make them where necessary.  If I didn't think the Judge was right, I used to argue the point, still lost though.