LENNOX SIGWELA
Thank you. Thank you, Chairperson. I can start this way. As a resident at Crossroads, from 1974, and we moved in 1982, if I am not mistaken, to New Crossroads. As we had some leaders who was Mr Nongwasi and Mr Memani.  When we moved from the stand there was already some conflict which caused people to stay away from their houses.  So much so that that was the reason why if I do not move from Crossroads to the brick-built houses I may lose my life, because I was with linked with a committee with Mr Mbongwane which prevented people from going to the brick-built houses. Even when the first batch of residents to these houses and they were paying for water, I felt that if I didn't move from the shack it would be risky for my life.  Because it was clear that we are not forced to pay for water.  Because the houses at Crossroads were asked for by us and therefore we didn't think we should pay.  And then we were moved to New Crossroads and then we got to New Crossroads, as parents we were split into two groups.  There were some who were still loyal to Mr Mbongwane and that's where the conflict   and division started.   There were people who were saying we can't be loyal to Mbongwane any more, we must start afresh because we are in brick-built houses.  Therefore we can't be loyal to those old instructions, and that is where the conflict started amongst the people who lived in New Crossroads.  In 1983 when some people died, about eight or seven, if I am not mistaken, because of this conflict.
 I am going to leave that.  And then came this time for parents versus their children.  And then it was reported that parents were attacking the kids or the kids attacking the parents.  So went the rumour. 
 But it was clear, when you explained as a parent that you didn't support UDF, you were taken by the youth and some parents who were members of the youth, that you were a supporter of Mbongwane.  It was not easy to support Mbongwane and not support it, and then I was confused at that stage because I didn't know which side I was to be on. The first patrol when we were taken out of our houses.  Unfortunately I was not there. I had come back late from work and until the weekend, and then I was off during the weekend. I was forced there to be present in a patrol as a resident, because if you didn't join the patrol, you were identified as supporting a particular side.  At that time UDF was represented in all, it combined all the townships in the Western Cape.  There was no exception.  Indeed, kids would come from all directions. What I noticed was that even here at New Crossroads, there is a committee which belonged to Mbongwane. So when I noticed the fights and I raised this with the parents, I asked how they felt towards this and some parents no, it is the kids.  And so I was affected that because lots of men died in that fight, because they were being taken from the hospital as if they were being discharged, only to find that they were being brought back to be killed. I noticed that all the people who were committee members, they were not there.  You would see just one when there was a break in the fighting.  Indeed, a person who from the government was affected, I think Rev Mfenyana did mention this.  When I left - the police, when the police left with this man, I asked is it true what this white person is saying.  No one answered me.