CARL CASTELING BOTHA
Sir, within my framework, Mr van Zyl took the necessary precautions to ensure that there were not people in the building.  If you say that there were people in the building, I will say to you as I've differed from Mr Bizos yesterday, that I cannot dispute it, I'm not in a position to dispute it.   I'm saying that I'm basing it on the precautions that were taken by Mr van Zyl and I'll base it on the discussions Mr van Zyl had with Mr Hardien, and his relationship with him worked that Mr van Zyl trusted him in that he conveyed the truth to him and afterwards the bomb was detonated.