MR MEYER
I agree with you, Judge Khampepe but one must also remember that while questioning them, I concentrated purely on what they did and not what the consequences were because they are asking amnesty for certain acts which they committed.  And during that part of the evidence they would concede that the assaults and the tortures were very serious.
	And it follows automatically that because of the seriousness, the victims would sustain serious injuries and would require medical attention but, the applicants are asking amnesty for acts which they committed and not for the consequences of those acts.