MR BOOYENS
Yes.  No, I hear what you say but we are linking something now to a date involving a shoot-out at a police road block and a shooting of policemen at Butterworth.  You in fact starting talking about that in your evidence in chief as well, do you remember that?  That is the same time that you were in the Transkei with Mr Kondile.  You told us that already, you needn't think ...[intervention]