MR MARTINI
Mr van Zyl, I just want to clarify how the projects were conducted.  Did you receive instructions to formulate plans to eliminate people for example, or were you given an instruction to formulate such a plan?  Just in summary, how did it work?  Because I understood from your evidence that your function was to gather information, so when it came to a point of having to eliminate a person, was that a decision you took?  Just explain how one arrives at that point within the organisation of the CCB at the time.