MR PHOSA
You give me a problem when you become hesitant.  I am now trying to really walk your side and understand you.  But you don't have to agree with me, but just be clear.
	Are you not saying in my mind because those people were going to be eliminated and I go further and say, in fact I do know being Du Plessis, that some were eliminated, therefore being Du Plessis, I say it proves my case that elimination was the concept, it was accepted.  Are you saying that?