MS PATEL
Okay.  If I can take you to Nortje's application to us, it is part of the Bundle, it is page 23, paragraph 11, he states here that they, and he is obviously referring to Radebe and the rest
"... they told me that they had shot five people and that they did not know whether all of them had been killed."
	Now if the shooting had taken place from outside of this room or the shack that it was, and the members had left immediately, how would they have known that five people were shot at, without ...