PHILLIPUS JOHANNES CORNELIUS LOOTS
Not a permanent basis.  There weren't any people from the security branch on a permanent basis there, there were people from the SADF, the SA police, unit 19 and we had contact with the JOC offices.  I myself also visited the JOC offices sometimes to go and see how information was kept there but we didn't sit there on a permanent basis, not one security branch person.