ADV LOURENS
Mr Chairman, if I might just perhaps elucidate the Committee.  I am informed by Mr Rothfuchs, who was at Lawyers for Human Rights at the time, that this, Ndinisa's statement was translated from Afrikaans, which he speaks more easily, well from the Xhosa into or into Afrikaans and then, Ndinisa spoke Afrikaans and then translated into English on the form here.