MR VISSER
I just want to be careful not to be misleading as far as the witness is concerned.  Frankly I don't understand what the problem is, we are certainly at cross purposes, I'm not quite sure.  Let me make it as simple as possible.  You told us that Mbulelo told you in 1988, after February 1988 not to visit him any more or any longer in Roma, is that correct?