MR WILLS
Sorry, I don't understand your answer.  Are you - why would he say that?  That's what my question is.  If you weren't part of the interrogation as you seemingly seem to - well you weren't a major part of the interrogation, but my understanding of your evidence - Sorry.  My understanding of your evidence is that you were sort of sitting in the back, you couldn't understand the Zulu, you didn't have a stick or a water pipe or a sjambok with you and you didn't really understand what was going on and so you took a back seat, is that your evidence?