MS PATEL
Mr Luff, those circumstances that you have just highlighted now about the unrest at the time may well be so, but let us confine ourselves to this particular situation at that particular time.  It was you, Mr Geldenhuys and an injured boy, that is what we are dealing with here.  We are not dealing with 20 other people who are throwing stones at you or petrol bombs at you or a child who is even armed and you have stated in your application that the reason, part of your reason for killing him is that you wouldn't later be able to identify him should he get away.