MR CLAASSEN
The Zulu one, that is correct.  Mr Chair the first application which it is also my instruction the one that preceded the latter one by two months, was, when I asked my client about this, the applicant, he said that they became aware of the amnesty procedure, he was at this stage already  serving a prison sentence, he was sentenced, and apparently someone offered to assist him.  He said there was a white male in gaol with him who offered him, who offered his assistance in completing this application form.