CHAIRPERSON
And you said, as you have said on many occasions, which counsel objected to, well the record will prove who is right.  If you look at the typed copy of the evidence of the 14th of May, which we were given today, you will see that at page 30, Mr Ngo said he was asked were you alone when you kidnapped Mr Mohapi and he said no, it was Tsoametsi, Mamome, Mtyala and Cronje.