FERDINAND BARNARD
What happened was that we took askaris and I recruit criminal elements, like from Soweto/Eldorado Park, Ennerdale, etcetera.  I recruited criminal elements to disrupt mass actions and marches, I recruited them to commit criminal offences.  If they participated in these marches, then the government or the Defence Force would then give it a lot of media coverage.  They would run down a street, damage vehicles, break shop windows.  I personally paid these criminal elements.
	Maybe you can recall that there were such allegations in the media and on television that the ANC held a march and people ran down the streets and people robbed shops and people were injured, and I paid those, half before and half afterwards.  I think in two of those incidents, as I just explained it to you, we decided to stage a false one and this was done to strengthen the Defence Force hand in terms of actions in the Coloured areas, concerning roadblocks, house to house searches, etcetera.  Then we entered false information into the system, it was given to the media, in that we received information that, for example members of the ANC who were involved in these marches will hijack white women, take them to black areas to rape them.  We'd already built up a background with regards to the criminal elements in these marches.  
	And then you'd recall that it was given a lot of media coverage, helicopters were used, an operational office was set up and manned by a General, they held roadblocks, the did block searches, house to house searches because of this, and it was all a campaign against the ANC.  It was just before the elections.