MR VISSER
Yes.  Now the only issue that I want to point your attention to is the date of April 1983.
	...[inaudible] reading of this submission, that that was the date upon which all that follows now was decided, April 1983 and all these structures and reorganisation of structures took place, would that be correct?  So in other words, the change came, to put it bluntly, in April 1983.