MR WEBSTER
That is quite so, Mr Chairman, and probably even more tragic that a person who is in Durban in Umlazi area, the owner of the vehicle, does not want to be involved with this, I forgot to tell the Commission this morning.  He's not prepared to come here.  He says innocent people were murdered, people are still being murdered today.  He values his life, he doesn't want to come here.   I can't ask the man, I cannot convince the man of his safety.
	Mr Chairman, when I say Mr Chairman, I'm including the Members of the Committee, I'm not ignoring them.  My learned friend has made a concession regarding the communication by radio.  It's rather unpleasant for me because it did occupy me for the greater part of the lunch hour to locate this evidence, but before I even located that evidence, I was just amused by the fact that Exhibit J was not read in its entirety, I think.  Sometimes - you know I didn't speak English as my first language when I grew up, Mr Chairman, and likewise Afrikaans was my second language, but if I look at Exhibit J, that is the affidavit by Breytenbach.