CHAIRPERSON
Absolutely, we take that into account.  Then when we deal with the chain if command, it was not Mr Mkhwanazi's evidence that he could not properly recollect who the commander of his unit was.  That was not his evidence.  There was no shadow of doubt about who his commander was, so we cannot, outside the context of the evidence before us, take things into account unless the evidence indicates that we should take such things into account.  If some doubt had been expressed by Mr Mkhwanazi about the structure of command, then maybe we would definitely have to take that into account.  As it is, we were given very clear evidence about who the commander was.  He expressed no doubt.