MS MTHEMBU
Yes.  The ones who came to arrest us, asking us about people's court, searching for Maria I know them.  Because even today I can meet them, even today because of the crime.  I heard Tokyo Sexwale saying everybody has to be an informer.  When we see people with firearms I can call them, those police, I know their names.  There are guns at present that came to my house and I took those people, I took them to the police to hand the guns in.  This was to show that when we speak of peace and reconciliation I talked to myself, I searched within my soul and I said reconciliation has to be there and I have to start now to forgive.  And I really showed that I have forgiveness, I am working with the police, I am giving them information.  ...(tape ends)..    ...coming to threaten me, to search my house, searching for Maria, you know doing everything in front of their eyes, naked, those I cannot really mention.  Well I have handed two guns in, their names, this is Wessel, that's the first one.  The other one is Spora(?).  Those were the two policemen coming frequently to my house.  I handed those guns straight to those people, and it wasn't me handing the guns over, I was together with the people handing the guns.  And I said to them tell the police that you picked these guns and then they won't arrest you.