MR MADASA
Yes, Mr Chairman.  I submit as well that if the applicant's version on the issue of these people being members of political organisation or MK, even after the Committee has made investigations, remains unchallenged, then the Committee must accept it, and I submit on this point that there is objective evidence to support his claim, namely on the second bundle which I referred to in evidence yesterday, on page 42, on that page the activities of deceaseds' unit or organisation in that article of the newspaper clearly explained or described, and those activities only relate to political activities, nothing else.
	Besides that, there's also Fouche's statement on page 252 of the bundle, paragraph 4.  Fouche is said to have told the applicant that the deceased talked about their political feelings, expressed their preference for an ANC government.  Elsa confirmed the fact that the gang, or the organisation or unit, would attend rallies, political rallies, and were involved in fighting with IFP.  
	Elsa corroborated the applicant in this aspect in all material respects, namely that the deceased were MK ANC activities and underwent training, but she said, which appeared to be a discrepancy, which I submit it was not, her understanding of political activities were involvement in political violence, so to speak, bombings, murder and so on, and she was firm that her group did not involve in those, but then explained what they were involved in, but obviously the Committee knows that from what she admitted and denied it's one and the same thing, all these activities were political activities.  Whether she was aware of that or not is irrelevant.