MR NEMANE
May I answer, Mr Chairman?  Mr Chairman, the point is not to establish that he cannot be found guilty or should not have been found guilty.  The point is that he says that of all the things that were removed from Mr Venter's house, he only took the watch and the ring.  The expectation therefore would be that the exhibits that were found at the house of Mr Venter or that were removed from Mr Venter's house, should also have been brought to court.  Now ... (intervention).