CHAIRPERSON
Yes.  We want to salute you and your colleagues for the dedication that you showed when you were at risk yourselves in the sorts of things that you were doing.  We had always hoped that we would have a police force, a traffic police force, the SAP and others who would not be enemies of the people because most of the time, before 1994, our people would not have said that they regarded the police and the army as their friends as those who existed to protect them.  So when you had units like your own acting in the manner in which you have just described, it stood out in stark contrast.  We are very glad, I mean, that a transformation is happening in the SAPS.  We can now call them our police who are increasingly becoming the kind of police we want to see in the New South Africa, dedicated.  It is clear that in that police force, as we hear in the amnesty applications in the de Kock trial and so on, that there were very many, not just bad, evil elements.  We hope, I mean, that they will see that our people, remarkably, do not want to revenge, most of them, they do not want to pay back.  They are not filled with hatred.  They are filled with sadness.  They want to know many things and we hope that those in the different structures who know that they committed awful deeds, will come forward and tell South Africa the things that they did so that the wounds of the past, having been opened, will be cleansed and will then have the possibility of being healed.   We need to have the truth and many of these people who carried out all these awful deeds know that it would be very difficult for us to arrive at the truth unless they come and ALEXANDRA HEARING TRC/GAUTENG
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they confess.  When they confess, they will usually, they will certainly be forgiven and they may even get amnesty so that they do not have to face trials and that our nation can then move beyond the past and concentrate on the present and the future.  Thank you very much.