CHAIRPERSON
I think it's quite clear he doesn't know, he won't be able to dispute or deny what you're saying, he's just unaware of it and also I gathered from the evidence, my impression might have been wrong, but that these people were from Gauteng or Transvaal, from Dunnottar and they would come in as a group for a week or so at a time and then out.  They weren't local, the impression I got from what I heard of them before, local Durban crowd who used to go there once a week, every week of the year.