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I'll explain that.  Before the days of the Pretoria Supreme Court and Bloemfontein, the chief was the most senior person.  If he said out, you were out, but although Venda people adopted the so-called independence, their cases were still tried by Judges from Pretoria, so in that case, if the chief believed or thought that his own case could have a strong backing from Pretoria or from Bloemfontein, he could say he doesn't go away because in that case he ...(indistinct) the person, if I say he goes out, who will accept him?   Whereas in the past, the other chief will be sympathetic, for various reasons.