MR LOWIES
The quantum leap from the last portion where I have agreed with you, Chairman, to this submission I would submit is too big.  I would like to see, and this is what the applicants are requesting from you, an intermediate situation whereby this Committee gives its viewpoint in public where they can hear it, that this Commission does not, or do, consider itself as being bound by that.
	Because Chairman, I would submit that the essence of the application is actually the following;  the essence of the application is not one whereby the Commission, this Committee should withdraw or recuse itself as a result of the finding by the Commission.  But what I would suggest is very important, and this is in the interest of transparency, that I would suggest inter alia, that once there is a decision like that, which has been widely publicised, the next aspect is, you are with respect seen as an extension, but if this Committee gives a final ruling on an issue which may be in the mind of a lay person, and this is the nature of the declarator, that it does not regard itself as being bound, that is not of course a problem.  	On the other hand, with respect, Chairman, I can see - and I would definitely have to take further instructions regarding that, if your finding is; I find myself bound by these decisions of the TRC, then of course the whole matter has to be reinvestigated and I will have to get instructions from my clients.  But what I'm stating at this stage is the following;  I postulate two scenario, either the Committee, if in agreement with what I'm suggesting, makes a declarator stating that it does not consider itself as being bound, in the interest of the applicants, setting their minds at ease, then that is the end of story.  The second scenario which I do envisage and which is also possible, is of course that you do find, I would submit highly unlikely that you would find, but still if you do find that you are bound by that decision and you are just sitting here as a rubber-stamp, of course then I'll have to take further instructions, but I don't think that we need to go to that stage at this stage.  So what I'm saying ...(intervention)