MR VAN DER MERWE
I'm indebted to the Chair.  That is what I am trying to get to.  Mr Phelane will come and testify that the case did in fact continue, that he was found not guilty, he used the attorney company Webber and Webber in Bloemfontein and he instructed them to assist him in this case.  Advocate Laubscher was the person who defended him.