MR HEWITT
If I could try and be of assistance here, and also in fairness to the applicant, I simply put this version to him because it didn't square at all with what was given to - the version that has been given here.  But I can't take this matter any further.  It seems to me that Mr Mpshe can take the matter a lot further because I notice that on page 412 of this affidavit, it seems to have been attested by the applicant on the 12th of December 1996.  And on the page which I have, 417, I see that there's a Correctional Services ...(intervention)