ADV DE JAGER
Just one thing.  Doctor, you had mentioned that you had negotiations with senior police Officers but that it was never clearly said to you, you had the impression that they had not fully informed you with regard to circumstances.  Before I ask this question, I want to make the statement that we have had testimony for instance from General Van deer Mere which indicated that at certain points the situation was of such a nature that it was of a critical nature, people were not informed about the situation because it might have caused people to become panicky about the situation.  Do you want to make comment in this regard?