MR VAN RENSBURG
I understand that but I suppose there is also a cut-off point relating to the dates.  Thank you Mr Chairman, if I can just ask one question on this if you will allow me to finalise this specific point.  Mr Ramasitsi, would you agree that your actions as you have now testified relating to your actions at the house  of Mr Petrus Mahvunga, would you agree that that amounts to arson or attempted arson?