MR JACK DEMONSTRATES
It was Fanie Els. Fanie Els I think, what I suspect is still a warrant-officer or whatever, but the important thing, let me tell you about what Fanie Els said to me, and Patrick Hlongwane, if you want to listen to him, he will confirm this.  I was at that - was it still Sanlam? Yes, I think it was still Sanlam, and there was this wound in Hlongwane, who was supposed to have assaulted by me and this is the Hlongwane that on the 22nd of January 1984, Mr Nieuwoudt assaulted me for whatever, in the bus, an incident, I had seen him in the bus and he said - Mr Fanie Els said to me, I will tell you in Afrikaans what he said to me. He said "jou politiek is kak" (your politics is shit), but even "so, dit is gemors hierdie storie" (this entire story however remains nonsense).