EUGENE DE KOCK
And Craig Duli and another person who was a member of the Transkeian Foreign Affairs Department, also had a hotel room there, and it was there that we liaised with Duli.  Brink and Nieuwoudt were not present.  I know that after the execution of the coup, the Security Police of East London traced all the telephone records of that room, and among others, they found records that there had been liaison with the Security Police in Port Elizabeth.  If I have it correctly, however, we did not find Anton Nieuwoudt, nor Brink there.  I didn't see them.