CHAIRPERSON
Sir, we are in a Reconciliation Commission, we are not interrogating you as in a court of law.  We  need  reconciliation.  People were  intimidated  during  the Sebe regime.  As Mr Sandi said, there are a lot of people who have testified as to the behaviour and the torture the police conducted upon the people.  This was shocking.  As so many people testify like this and you say that you've never heard of such, then there's a discrepancy and I don't know if you are helping us in reconciliation, but I'd like to ask,  where were you on the incident of Nompendulo ?.