MR DU PLESSIS
No, I cannot, all that I can say - and this is one of the reasons that we spoke to one another - this is just my opinion, that if one listens to Mr Coetzee's testimony - at his long testimony, it has to do with an extended period and I believe that he is making a mistake regarding certain matters.  I'm not saying that he is telling lies but I do say that he is making mistakes as regards certain dates.