CHAIRPERSON
So therefore the killing of Mr Mlaba from the applicant's point of view, was unforeseen and he wasn't aware that it was going to happen until it actually did happen.
	That cuts out a common purpose with respect to that killing.  And then how reasonable was the belief that Mr Mlaba was going to tell the police?  Was there any justification at all in killing him, which raises the question, what happens if there were four or five people in the room at that time, would they have shot all four or five?
	Then one gets into the question of proportionality with regard to that there.  If you could perhaps address us on those points.