JUDGE WILSON
... what he is going to say.  It may well be that that is the only mention he makes of her and that, really, she is not implicated in any way in any wrong doing, but that is not a matter that one can pre-judge.  Do you agree?  It, the applicant has stated in his application, as we have been or had our attention drawn to, because he was asked in 10(b) which says if so, state particular of such order or approval and the date thereof if known, the name and address of the person who gave such order or approval and then he says the ANC Youth League underground structure issued the order and we carried it out, Winnie Mandela knows about this.  Now, one cannot say from that whether she knew about it beforehand and approved it or she knows about it and disapproved strongly.  He does not make it clear, but I think in the circumstances caution would demand that she should have been served.