MR VAN RENSBURG
The point I am trying to make is that, and we must realise that we are dealing here today with a case exactly where a whole group of people, I think there was about 300 of them, participated in the killing of the victim of this hearing and if I read that answer to your question, it does not refer to the breaking down of an old order or anything like that for political motives.  What I read here in your answer which can be made applicable on the case in casu is that the youths actually acted to uphold the traditional values.