CHRISTOFFEL PIERRE VAN DER WESTHUIZEN
Chairperson, Plan Strelitzia was a plan that came from the National Management System, almost with not a security component, non-military.  Now the military advantage would have arisen from the processes in Strelitzia.  Now in departmental regard it wasn't necessary for me to put on my military hat to go to my chief with Strelitzia.  Now as opposed to that, Katzen, especially the initial parts, is a security plan, it's more of a departmental plan.  The members that we referred to earlier were also ex facie members of the Security Council of the State Security Council and therefore the State Security Council could then  by means of those members be cognisant of the plan.