MAMOGALA JACK MKOANA
That is correct, that was part and parcel of my, I mean, what I was supposed to do. In other words, I was working for Fidelity Guards, and then after we started having maybe a lot of robberies, then sometimes we have the problem with also the informers, the other Mr Gerber and Van Eyck have just said yesterday.  Then we then decided that we have got to maybe, to use other methods.  In other words, to get information from the guys in the street.  So that's when they introduced this thing that we go, me and Julius we go to work totally undercover; people must never know we are working for Fidelity Guards, which means we have got to move around maybe with robbers, whoever, in the location, in order to get maybe the information.   And well, I was sent to Port Elizabeth, in order to get that information.