MR BLACK
No, Mr Chairman. What happened was the comrades had heard about this.  I will go into further consultations in detail and get names, if necessary.  They sought out these people who they could find and they brought accused number 6 in the original trial, to the house.  The police were not present.  And they wanted to leave the Mr Ratane there under some security, and one of the comrades said well, let us rather call the police, and they summoned the police to the house.  That is what I gather, what I can clarify.  But what I am getting at, do you know Aubrey,
a comrade by the name of Aubrey?