DR RANDERA
Rokaya let me just say before I ask my questions that one of the events that made me think as a teenager, because I was a teenager at the time, was the death of Bubla.  And I remember as a school student coming from (...indistinct) to your house and singing outside your house and you coming out just after the death of Bubla.  I just want to raise two issues.  One is you say Bubla was a political person, I wonder if you can actually just enlighten us a little more about that because that period as Yasmin has already pointed out was a very difficult historical period in our lives.   Political parties had been banned, treason trials were taking place and here was a young man from a relatively comfortable family who was willing to make this sacrifice.
 If I can also add my second question, you mentioned several times in your statement the name Swanepoel, was this gentleman implicated directly in the torture of Bubla, it's not clear from your statement?  Secondly, was there any sympathy ever shown by the same gentlemen when they came to your house after the death of Bubla?