DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER
Yes, I beg your pardon, it was Mr Verster.  Yes, we discussed the matter as a whole and would then come up with the best plan, ultimately decide on the best plan and go to Mr Verster and say "look, we think this and this and this, those are the aspects" and he would then say "right", he is first now going to take the information and come back to us.