CHAIRPERSON
Before we go on I think on this aspect and I'm thinking of some of the questioning, it is clear is it not that the real complaint is that the South African Police were the tool used by the Government.  The South African Police were members of a quasi-military organisation, if one wishes to call them that, who also felt that they were there to obey orders, it was not for them to question the orders they were given and a great many of the things that are now ... (end of tape 1) wanted to.  Do you accept that?