MR BLACK
I'm still not entirely clear.  I understand that it was also objected to in my sort of reading from the statement and the matter being confirmed under oath, the method of the presentation of the evidence.  I've no difficulty with all due respect, Mr Chairman, about the statement.  The evidence is being given under oath.  Mr Hattingh and to the best of my knowledge, every other interested party here has got copies of these documents.  But I'm not quite sure whether I can just proceed in the same way as I have been.  I'll get to the merits and if necessary, Mr Gushu in his own words can elaborate on the incidents it that's going to make ... (intervention)