MR PHOSA
The relevance of this is - if you want to ...[inaudible] our attitude.  Our attitude is that this gentleman was never involved in any political endeavour and indeed we describe him as simply a killer and we're going to suggest that his general conduct before and after the present incident, is indicative of that very fact.  And that he's not applying here because of any change of mood but simply because of his own - maybe he's just caught and he's trying to save himself from charges which is nothing to do with the political situation.  And that is what I've said before, he should just indicate and I'll put my questions to him - I was going to put that to him.
	Anyway getting back to the situation of Kondile, who was the first, first person to mention to you that you should now eliminate these two persons, eliminate Mthimkhulu and Madaka?  Who was the first to mention it to you?  Or did you mention it to them?