MR MALAN
Mr Madasa, I'm asking you please to lead your client.  Really he's now referring now to matters after the event which really is not relevant either to motive or to the act.  Please let us not deal with evidence from your client that is really not relevant to his own application.
	May I just ask you Mr de Ru, you said that you only wanted to arrest the people and by a question by the Chairperson you said that things went wrong because when you heard the shots you thought you got attacked.  Just please explain to me, your information is here are people who are very heavily armed and in your head you are thinking that they might have AK47s at least.  Would you have expected that they would shoot?  You expected that this is going to be a shootout in some way or another?