HENRY JACOBUS STEYN
That's correct Chairperson.  As I have already said in my evidence the leader of the gang, Mr Mswele, had previously been arrested and whilst he was in legal custody he managed to escape.  I would like to make a further point here, Ngwelezana Hospital there wasn't sufficient security at the hospital.
	I could also mention that the gang was so active that they wouldn't have waited for a confrontation they actually sought out confrontation and provoked it.  To refer to the helicopter incident, that was another proof of my suspicions and confirmation of it.