MR SANDI
Do you think these three old men have any particular reasons to implicate you in these matters ?
MR CARD?: I've, I've no idea, Mr Chairman, all I can say that is that there's a mistaken
identity.  It's not Donald Card?.  They mention the name Donald Card?.  Mr Chairman, I can bring up books, all sorts of things.  If you want to you can have a look at, at Sichaba, who mentions me way back.  These comrades against apartheid.  You'll see that my name is mentioned in here as the person who in fact, created a lot of problems for the ANC in their early days, because of my involvement.  It's on Page 37.  There are a lot of people that wrote about me and have spoken about me over the, over the period of time and know my name.  I was the Mayor of East London.  I got the Freedom of the City of East London.  I've been in the eyes of a lot of people for a long time.  Yes, I've fought against the sabotage laws, at least I've fought against people in bringing people to justice at one stage, and I was mentioned by a lot of people.   These gentlemen could believe at this stage that they heard my name and that I must be the person, but I'm telling you, I'm not the person, Mr Chairman.  I was definitely not here, and the Lord knows that as well.