FRANCISCO CERQUEIRA
I did not see a gun, I picked up my brother's 
head, the pouch was lying there next to his head.  Mr Brode came, 
surely he would have noticed the gun as well.  And after a couple of 
minutes, after five minutes or ten minutes after, I don't know, then 
he handed me the gun.  You would have to ask Mr Brode where he 
got the gun.