MR LAX
18A/20 And then also Jackie Mabuza.  Jackie Mabuza was a bodyguard to the former President of the ANC, the late Mr Oliver Tambo.  So I wrote my biography and I confessed to them.  I told them actually about my role that I played in Port Elizabeth.  So then they were not happy, you know, about my statement that I made to them and from then and then I was taken to the place called RC in Zambia, in Lusaka.  So they in Zambia then - that is when I was questioned by Legdonite, Jackie Mabuza and then the late -the guy by the name of Chicks.  You know, he died in 1987.  So I wrote my biography, but they were not satisfied.  Then I was told to take off all my - actually, my clothes.  Then from then and then beatings started, you know, and then I was made to admit, you know, a forced confession, you know, and I told them, "No, actually, myself, of course, yes, I did work with the police in Port Elizabeth, because the police they had been assisting us in order to deal with the UDF".  So confessed that right, you know, actually myself I was one of the people that have co-operated with the police.  It's the truth.  So now they wanted me to commit myself with some other cases that I don't even know, you know.  And from then and then that is when the torture started.  Then I stayed almost about three months, you know, actually in the underground cell with the other cellmates, etcetera.  Until then Jackie Mabuza contacted the offices of the Deputy State President presently, Mr Thabo Mbeki, because by then he was the head of the DIP.  DIP stands for Department of Information and Publicity.  And so from then and then Jackie Mabuza told me that Mr Mbeki has instructed that I should, you know, conduct a press conference and confess,