MR VISSER
But Chairperson, with respect, if my learned friend is going to cross-examine a witness, at least he should put to him is it his case that there was in fact a police vehicle before this witness?  It's quite simple to put that to the witness and we'll all know what this is about.  We are now on a speculation and we're going on to a second speculation upon a first speculation that there might have been a vehicle.  We still don't know.  This witness says he was behind that car, he didn't see another police vehicle, now couldn't my learned friend just tell all of us whether he is putting to the witness that there was such a vehicle then we can speculate from a fact, Chairperson, at least.