MR VAN SCHALKWYK
Now, if we may just deal then with two of my other clients, Mr Ngadi and Mr Mhieza, you have not mentioned either in Exhibit B or in your application or in your evidence here in chief or in cross-examination thus far, the presence of any person by the name of Aubrey Ngadi.  May I just ask you, did you know a person by the name of Aubrey Ngadi?