MR LALLA
Yes Chairperson.  In regard to Mr Greyling, I have no objection to his amnesty application.  In regards to Mr Botha I'm in a bit of a dilemma.  Although I respect the Commission's viewpoint that his amnesty is for the individual assault of torture, I find it difficult to isolate all those various different assaults, incidents and killings which he himself has admitted to and to distinguish this between his personal character and that of an officer fulfilling the duties of a higher command.  But however, I leave it to the wisdom of the Commission to decide on his fate.  Thanks.