MR VERSTER
I did say that, yes.  That specific point is what I thought about, Chairperson, when I mentioned it earlier that I signed the document.  The approval I never denied that I used my name there and said Jack van Staden I authorised this.  But that authorisation could not be an instant authorisation, as I have said earlier, because it had to take place over a period of time.  In other words the yearly and quarterly authorisation of the monitoring and the development of the project was a written standing working procedure.  And the dispute emanated when the bomb exploded all the Generals started thinking in blocks, he only recalled what threatened his life and he was not prepared to say in any other manner that "I accept that this was a project of the CCB, I accept the maximal disruption and I accept that there may have been some misunderstanding."
	And I put it to you, the only General in the South African Army that said this straight out to a Judge was Gen Joop Joubert, and I feel that on that basis I later also - because I realised what the implication of my subordinates was, I said that they may have done it.  Whether I did this differently in the Harms Commission or whatever I did, there was a stage where Gen Badenhorst assaulted me, where he jumped up and tried to slap me because I did not want to cooperate with him.  
	It was a totally chaotic situation where I maintained myself in and whatever I said in the Harms Commission was for survival because I did not want to cooperate with the lies of the previous government.