MR P WILLIAMS
Mr Bellingan, I will refer to your application as well as to your answers or statements that you made during the Section 29 inquiry.  I want to start off on page 23 of your application.  You make the following statement or statement to this effect.  That is page 23 of the paginated bundle.  At the bottom you say that
"The carte blanche which politicians and generals gave to de Kock made us juniors realise that we should obey all orders from de Kock."
Before I ask the question, I also want to refer you to a statement at, on page 19 where you say, also the last paragraph,
"Vlakplaas was regularly visited by politicans like Adriaan Vlok and other senior police officers where members were told about the total onslaught against the Republic and that units like Vlakplaas was very important and we should use all methods in this combatting terrorism."
Now, I want to refer to the words "that we should obey all orders" and I want to refer to the words "and we should use all possible methods".  Does this include illegal methods or orders?