EUGENE DE KOCK
That is correct Chairperson.  I would just also mention that the Chief of Security knew after the first attempt which was unsuccessful, that Commandant Anton Nieuwoudt and Brigadier Tolletjie Botha, the Chief of the DCC, did visit Basie Smit, the Chief of Security.  After the members of the coup were arrested at Queenstown and Anton Nieuwoudt told me that Gen Smit was highly upset and on a lighter note he mentioned that Gen Smit walked around like a sheep and bit the carpet, that is how angry he was because I was involved with the Harms Commission.