MR STEENKAMP
Just to bear with me a minute, Mr Chairman?  The question that I would like to pose to you is that the killing of an innocent party in this case a black person, could you tell me how this would have promoted the political objectives or intentions of any party at that stage the CP or the AWB - are you telling me that was the AWB's political objective at that point?  To kill black people in order to obtain a Volkstaat, is that what you're saying?