PIETER JOHANN VERSTER
In our culture we distinguished between clandestine and covert operations, Chairperson.  Clandestine operations were seen as those operations which at that stage could be recognised by the government of the day and on the other side we had covert operations.  We were a covert structure and the intention was and per definition, as we dealt with it, was that the government of the day would not accept responsibility for those types of operations.  I would also say that the entire structure was built around this and our financial planning, existing procedures, were written depending on this and this was submitted inter-departmentally.  For example our plan within the CCB was given to the Treasurer and it was approved by the Auditor General's people who were also present and we functioned according to those lines.