MR SARDIWALLA
One aspect is identity.  The crucial aspect is identity and the second is the fact that the children were shot at close to the bakkie, whilst they were running.  Now I've responded to those Chairperson and Members of the Committee, I've responded to those.  I said that as far as the identity aspect is concerned, I believe one cannot accept his evidence.  As far as the question of the kids being shot is concerned, what is clear is that my client didn't do it, the applicant didn't do it.  What is possible, and I'm repeating what I said before, that it may be that whilst he was running off, and we don't have that evidence, that one of the others may have gone through to the vehicle and shot them.  Now I mean, we can speculate a dozen things, but in my client's mind, he went off and that evidence is not even challenged.