CHAIRPERSON
Paragraph 13.
MR WILLIAMS
"I know that Staal Burger and Alex Kavouris went to London during I think approximately 89, went to London by plane.  It was for the organisation that they went to London and they had to go and speak to somebody there.  I understood that Staal Burger gave Ten Thousand dollars to an unaware or non-aware member after he and Kavouris had recruited the person.  Staal Burger used Alex Kavouris as an unaware member, but I don't think that he informed the organisation about this.  I know that the clearing of the Ten Thousand Dollars had been outstanding for more than six months and there had been some speculation that Staal Burger and Alex Kavouris had taken the money themselves."