PUMELELE CIVILIAN HERMANS
The cars that were disrupting the meeting, the launch of the Communist Party, as that was something that used to happen to see whites visiting Costello's house in the meeting, during this meeting, these meetings, sometimes would see cars that look like the cars that were there around the hall during this day of this launch of the Communist Party.
	In 1992, I think it was November or December or towards the end of the year, when I was on my way to Durban with my father, he had hired a bus to transport some people because it was a festive season, we boarded the bus to Durban.  There is a white man who came, wearing short pants, khaki short pants and a khaki shirt with a bag behind his back.
	I saw this man in the morning before half past six as I went to town to buy milk to make my father's coffee, I saw him getting out of Costello's house, I did not know where he was going at that time.  Later I saw him boarding the bus.
	He was from Costello's house.  On our way, we were far away, we were out of Transkei, I can't remember where we were at the time, this white man was talking, telling the people that he was a member of AWB.  He is from a certain mission at Port St Johns, he did not explain the type of a mission that he was involved in, but we later realised that he was drinking white brandy, colourless spirits.
	He said all those things, though I could not understand him clearly, because most of the time he was using Afrikaans language.   I reported that to the ANC office in the Branch at Port St Johns.