MR MARTINI
...(sound cut off) ... insofar as it may be alleged or argued that the applicant, Mr van Zyl, and all other applicants, intended to kill, the Committee cannot make such a finding.  And I refer in this regard to Mr Wessels's argument on the law on the Blom authority.  Why?  I submit, Chairperson, that the evidence of Mr Williams, the evidence of Mr Oesman Alexander support Mr van Zyl's version.  And Mr van Zyl has told the Committee ...(intervention)