PROF DE KOKER
If I may take this further and take the Committee to page 14 and 15 of the evidence given in front of the TRC Human Rights Violations Committee by Mr Mbakwe, this was under oath.  I wish to draw your attention to page 12 where this oath was administered by Mr Denzil Potgieter.
"So, ...",
and that is at the bottom of page 14, over to page 15.  "So, because I wanted to get this thing away from me ...",
referring to the hand grenade,
"... and I was anxious to get it away from me, because he had left it with me about three, four weeks ago and I had been pestering him to come and take this thing of his.".
Are these statements made under oath correct?