MR MAPOMA
Even on that version, Chairperson, there is some inconsistency because the applicant's version was such that the deceased was hit with a pipe and fell down and when he was down, then he was stabbed.  That is the version of the applicant and the applicant is the most crucial witness at this hearing because he's the man who applies for amnesty, he's the person who bears a responsibility to convince the Committee that he's making as a complete a disclosure and candidly as possible, so I submit Chair, that the testimony of the applicant bears much more weight than that of the other persons who have testified.