MOHONAETSE STEPHEN MOTSAMAI
That is correct.  This gentleman I'm talking of here, Nelson Ngo - we didn't know how he was used - in what capacity as a - at the security branch police but he remained in the office.  What surprised me was the firearm that he used - 7.65 firearm.  One day he pointed the gun to Mr Tswametzi and then Mr Tswametzi ran out of his office to where we had tea and tell me: "Boyzi, there's a young man who's trying to shoot at me".  I didn't respond, I kept quite but as an adult he said: "Boyzi", as he used to refer to me, he never called me Motsamai - he said "Boyzi, I don't know what is taking place here, this man is working here, he stays in this office but let us leave it there.  This is for the officers - the White officers, let us not discuss this matter any further".  That's what he said.