MR DUBE
I knew Sicelo.  I had a cell at ...(indistinct) at Soweto, around Soweto I had cells, especially I'm referring now to the one at Emdeni in Soweto.  This cell consisted of the other three applicants, Clive that is, Sipho and Precious.  Sicelo was one of them.  When I recruited, he was recruited by one of the cell members that I was working close with, I'm referring to the applicants, my co-applicants, Sipho, Clive as well recommended Sicelo.  But because before you join a cell one should recommend you and one should sort of second the move or motion, and we should inspect things, or monitor very close things like does the person in question qualify to join the cell, yes or no.  Those will be the matters we will look close at.