MS MKHIZE
Philip I just want let you rest a little.  Can you rest a while, you have indicated these horrifying stories to us.  You look very young but you have been through hard times, I want to ask you a few questions and thereafter relax and give us an answer.
 What I didn't quite understand well, you said you were four and then people from exile arrived and they said they wanted to train you.  You didn't tell us how old you were, were you at school?  Were you not working, were you belonging to any organisation besides COSAS?