MR WILLS
Mr Chairperson, I'm very sorry to interrupt Mr Ngubane, but I think the question is slightly misleading.  My understanding of the evidence of Mr Mkhize yesterday was that this money was collected from the community not to sustain the Caprivians, but as a protection fee, to protect the community.  I think that there is a difference.  That is my recollection of the evidence.  Possibly that's...