MS MOLOISANE
I am indebted to you Madam Chair and Committee Members.  As far as the Court record is concerned, he was convicted on direct evidence that was adduced in Court, but my submission is that as far as this amnesty application is concerned he is merely drawn into the picture simply because, and that's my submission, simply because he actively associated himself with Mr Radebe, although that was not the evidence in Court.  I'm merely focusing on the evidence as it is before this Committee.  He did not carry out the shooting although he was aware of an order.  Mr Radebe admits that he executed the order, and that Mr Mabusa further confirmed that he is the one who had issued that order that they be eliminated.