BERNARD MAKGABO NGOEPE
Sorry, Mr Mpshe, I just don't want us to get muddled up with concepts.  There is a requirement on behalf of - the applicants said that they did this, and whatever they were doing, on behalf of the government, on behalf of the National Party, and to do something on behalf of somebody - I mean, you can do something on behalf of somebody, even if that person has not actually given the instructions to do that.