EUGENE ALEXANDER DE KOCK
Mr Chairperson, I don't believe that Captain Stander would also have known about all these facts.  By nature of the facts, he would not have known much of the particulars.
	Regarding Gen Van der Merwe, he would have known, because the questions came from Parliament to the Commissioner, and from the Commissioner to the Security Head Office Chief and then to Brigadier Schoon and then to me.  So therefore between me, Brigadier Schoon and General Van der Merwe, that connection would have existed.
	The reason why I say that Captain Stander would not have had complete knowledge, was because it was on a need to know basis and because of that, we would not have informed him.  He was also appointed as a temporary member.
	That is why there is a (T) in brackets just after Captain, that stands for temporary.