CHAIRPERSON
Thank you Dumisa.  Mr Odendal first I want to express my regret that you did not pick - you missed the joke about my plea that you not call me Mr Chairman, I am sorry that you missed the joke there.
 Anyway you are describing a situation which suggests that one thing, as in the Witdoeke action, was a consequence of the Comrades action, I think it is common knowledge that the UDF at the time was involved in a power struggle to win political support from its membership and there was a lot of fighting, indeed, but I am not sure that you are contextualising what you are telling us, putting it in proper context.  I think that one of the things that was striking about the Witdoeke attack was the apparent, because it was still apparent at the time, the apparent support by the State, or by organs of the State, people, police officers and the State's policies that seemed at the time to be supportive of the Witdoeke.
 Now you have heard evidence today by Mr Schelhase, how would you describe as the reasons of the conflicts if you were to look at them in full context?