CHAIRPERSON
Yes you see the answers that have the reasons advanced by Mr Seshaba for shooting Mr Buthelezi have been that the first was he was trying to get back the money taken from the shop and the watch taken from Ndlandla Ngala and the second reason was that he shot the deceased because and this is important, you are conducting his application with a view of enabling him to succeed in his application for amnesty and bearing in mind the requirements of the Act, he says he shot because one of them reached for his firearm.  Now that is the question that you think has been - that response in my opinion does not go to show the political justification for the shooting?