ADV DU PLESSIS
Mr Nieuwoudt, let me put it to you - a different aspect, I'm coming back to this one later on.  With regard to the assaults, Captain Venter testified that as far as he could see the three activists were not assaulted although their heads were covered.   Warrant Beeslaar will also testify in the same way for the period that they arrived there up to the point that they departed - that would have been the next afternoon up to the evening up to about 9 o'clock, they saw the activists with their heads covered and their evidence will be with regard to assault that as far as Beeslaar could see, it did not seem to him that they had been assaulted.  Would you like to comment on that?