CHAIRPERSON
Thank you Mr Schelhase.  I just see some contradictions here.  The witness before yourself came up here and one of the things that was said was that I thought he was behaving in a way that suggests that he's being evasive.
 You say yourself, you stated on the record that your strategy encouraged the war against people who were opposed to the government, you did not use those words but it is clear, clearly implied, that the people you were supporting, you being from yourself right up to the Minister and government, were fighting those who were opposed to the government.  And then you go on to tell us now that you never saw police supporting the Witdoeke.  Now what is the value of that statement that you are putting on record?  
 You never saw the police support, actively supporting the Witdoeke and yet we have heard numerous accounts, people who are respectable citizens in this country, and not only that we've got video footage clearly demonstrating the support and backing of Witdoeke by police.  And then you come to tell us now in your testimony that you never saw police - what is the value of that statement?