TESTIMONY_GIVER:
  I do not remember the name of the interpreter because the first time I went to report the case I got him and he could not speak to me thereafter.  He said to me I must go to see an attorney.  Then I went to my attorney Van Hellen(?) and I engaged the services of Van Hellen.  I understand that Van Hellen has died.   But Van Hellen never actually got around to helping me.  I paid him R250,00 and he promised that he was going to go to Ngwelezana to open up a case and the magistrate said he was not prepared to preside over my case thereafter because he had dealt with it sufficiently.  Then he said I should sue for damages that I had incurred with regard to what the people or the police from the induna's place had done.  So my attorney reported thereafter and said the magistrate said there was nothing he could do.  So it was Makhathini, myself as well as Musa's wife and my children, we went to the fields and I brought a certain document and gave it to Van Hellen.  And I think they bribed Van Hellen because thereafter he couldn't even look me in the eye.  He couldn't face me.  And now the damages were not paid.  Simon said he was going to re-erect the fence that was taken out as well as the poles and the youth from Nseleni used to attack my son and I told him that he should stop being at Khombindlela and he left Khombindlela and went to start at another school.  I think it was in 1990.  So he had to go to another place.