MR MBANDAZAYO
Thank you Chairperson and Honourable Members of the Committee.  If I may pass, Mr Moringer, it is just for clarity, this question of mine, let me pass the abduction stage and go at the period when you had problems now after it transpired that you were involved.  You went to, you were told to go to the Transkeian Consulate there and you came to Transkei and you were protected by the Military, you were given a safe house and you started the lottery - would I be correct, is it correct that at the time you started the lottery, then Colonel Chinga was the Minister of Police?  When he came back, he came to the Minister of Police in Transkei?