EUGENE DE KOCK
Chairperson, there was an attempt from the Transkei where Colonel Guzana, I hope I pronounce it correctly and Gen Charles Sebe came to the Ciskei for the purposes of executing a coup in Ciskei.  I would just like to mention here whether it was Ciskei or Transkei or any other country in the world, this was - an integral part of a coup was that you had to be sympathetic and you had to have armed forces, and from the public itself, you had to have assistance, but the two of them alone could not execute a coup by themselves.  This was concurrent with unrest in the army barracks in the Ciskei.  Some of the Army members died there in the Ciskei and the Gen Guzana was shot and Gen Sebe was murdered.