J A STEYN
Chairperson, no, I don't think it was for such a long time.  As far as I can remember, unless Botha wants to give other evidence, after Ndaba, in 1988 according to him, he had gone to Lusaka and as far as I know until he returned to the Republic, as far as I know, he had not made any contact with him.  If there had been any contact, there were various informers and I can't remember everything and if there were and I cannot remember it now.