MR MHLABA
Thank you, Chair.  I will start addressing the aspect of the underground SDU.
	Mr Chairman, the reason why it was called an underground SDU is because in protecting the community the SDU need to engage in unlawful activities and such unlawful activities, in committing those unlawful activities they were vulnerable to be arrested and get convicted.  So it is on this basis that they need to remain unknown.  It will not be expected of them, Mr Chairman, even if it was resolved that police are legitimate targets of the SDUs and the African National Congress to come out and openly discuss the issue of them planning to eliminate police officers or proudly talk of such elimination after it has taken place.  So it was on this basis that those activities were not disclosed to the community.  
	Whereas the SDUs which were known by the communities are the type of people who engaged in day to day patrol in the community, give the community instructions how to assist them and how to stay alive in those moments, Mr Chairman.
	With regard to the firearms, Mr Chairman, it will emerge that in the previous hearing of the other applicant he indicated that in order to equip the SDUs to be able to protect the community they needed to acquire firearms and those firearms needed to be acquired from the police and the members of the South African Defence Force.  
	And he further mentions that they could even kill these people in order to obtain those firearms.  An incident occurred shortly before the very incident we're talking about here.  And I specifically consulted the applicant in particular, Mr Mohomane, about those aspects because it appeared to me that these operations were carried out in the same village or in the same community but it was explained to me that they belonged to a particular SDU, he belonged to another SDU but he knows that it was mentioned even though it was informally to him by this comrade Craig, that it becomes difficult to identify the criminal activities from the activities of the African National Congress if firearms are going to be taken from those people because it would appear to be ...(indistinct) robbery.  So hence the contradictions between the two incidents which are not necessarily related, Mr Chairman.  There was a time lapse after those two incidents.