MR VISSER
I'm sorry, allow me Mr Chairman to apologise and to say that I stand corrected, but that wasn't his evidence here, but I read it here and it is under the heading of Mbuso Shabalala.  "Geleen geen samewerking.  Nie bereid om te getuig nie.  Nie bereid om beruggewer te word nie"  So it would appear that Botha did in fact talk to him about that.