MR CLAASSEN
Thank you Mr Chair, that was exactly what I was getting at.  Obviously the question still stands is, and I mean that is the base criteria for granting of amnesty, was there full disclosure, and was the applicants indeed truthful with this Commission and what they alleged occurred on this particular day.  Mr Chair in as far as the applicant Mr Sithole is concerned, I think it's common cause that he was a member in the community, he was a respected member, if one looks at ...(intervention)