CHAIRPERSON
No, no, listen to this in its context.  Hence I asked you about page 24, okay?  That you say what he is saying, you say the facts which happened to this, the facts about this incident are fully described in Mr Jantjie's application and that we should incorporate such facts into your application.  That's what it means.  I don't want to confuse you with the legal requirements of that, but that what in broad outline it means.  Now in regard to Betty Boom, in Mr Jantjie's application which is page 15D, he says: - it is 14.
"Jagga and I succeeded in establishing physical contact with Betty Boom.  It took place as follows.  Firstly, for a period of approximately a month we surveilled her house and determined that she did not receive any visitors there.  She met her cell members in Maseru, in town."
So in respect of that first portion, if I understand you correctly you are saying to us that the only time you knew about Betty Boom, it's when you went to fetch her, the rest you did not know.