MR SHANE
No, I accept that.  In exercising your discretion as to whether he has satisfied the requirements of Section 20, Mr Chairman, if the onus is not as strong as the civil onus, if he says that he tried to shoot the white policemen in this vehicle, to get their weapons, he also says at the same time he was trying to protect himself, which he does say, it doesn't mean that the fact that he tried to shoot these police for their weapons, must be rejected out of hand, with the greatest respect sir.
	He could have been doing both at the same time, trying to protect himself with that also in mind.  It is stupid ...