MR BRINK
Thank you.  Just on that aspect, I understand that the two pages were made by Mr Visser of Mr Wagner because that was the only reference to Mr Erasmus, the other evidence given was quite irrelevant to these proceedings.
	Yes, I won't keep you long Mr Erasmus you'll be pleased to hear but perhaps you can help me, when did you first become aware of Mthimkhulu's political activities when you came down to Port 
Elizabeth?