LAURENS MBATHA
The process, actually, that it should come into my possession started when the situation in Windserton, a clear, serious fight, actually, emerged in the area where the local people, actually, fled their places.  I came into the area with the basis of trying to restore what, at that time became clear, that the whole issue appeared to be political in nature.  So, to clear the problem up it became very clear that a difference was between a member, who was part of the civics, of which, at the very same time, Cosas, Youth League, ANC's Women League, even the ANC was controlled by the very same individual.  The whole situation ended up in a type of fighting, explosive situation in the area.
	I went into the area, spent a period of about three months just to try and clear up that particular area, tried to restore the structures concerned and tried to put away the civics as a community based structure, that the civics, actually, is a border structured opened for all political parties and, at that stage, it was totally unacceptable for them to gain control over the structures of the league and Cosas that was existing, because lives of people were also at stake, because the in-fights were there.  At that type of situation, when I was moving around, I was moving around with that grenade, it was after we had cleared the problem, because everybody, really it was a very, a situation that is very unhappy, that was, was prevailing there.  A situation occurred in Daniel Scale ... (intervention).