TESTIMONY_GIVER:
 You know, it was only after 1990 that of course we could even utter the word ANC in this country, and before that we had - there were lots of people that used to come and go, became family confidantes, would come and share meals with us.  It was only after Lennie died did we realise that these guys were activists as such, and they knew a lot more.  But still they were very evasive about things.  They acted they themselves didn't know about anything, you know, and I always tried to establish, you know, at least some - "What was your line of communication?"  And it was never - it was always sketchy, never direct answers.  And this is another thing that plagues the family, the fact that since Lennie left home there was not a message, not one word from Lennie.  Not at all until he died.  And I always tried to question, you know, "What line of communications do you guys have?"  At least a phone call or - be it not a phone call, I had some letter or something to say that, "Listen, he is well, he is fine."  My mum was very concerned about the fact that Lennie was a total vegetarian, and just to see how he was doing, you know, how he coped with being out of the country, and just the fact that is he still keeping on with his diet, or still a vegetarian?  You know, just these little things that we wanted to know, and we just couldn't seem to get anywhere.