INTERPRETER
The speaker's mike is not on.
JUDGE DE JAGER
"We arrested Abel's brother and took him to the fifth floor Security Branch to torture him so that we could find his brother.  I was present when he was tortured and I ..."
He was interrogated by Landman and Landman ordered you to torture him.
"We tied him  with bandage, we lied him down and covered him with a blanket"
and I think you then described about rolling him in the blanket.
"I tubed him, I suffocated him, I think five or six times.  It went on for about three hours."
Now you're talking about something on the ground floor.  We're interested in what you did, because you're applying for amnesty, so tell us what you did.