CHAIRPERSON
Yes, I know that incident.  That happened quite a long time after because your evidence was that they disappeared thereafter for a long, long time.  Is it not so?  That was your evidence.  And the next time you saw them was when they were in town in the company of a group of people that you identified to us.  You named Oupa Smith, you named Dondo, you named Dada, and a number of people.  But that happened a long time after the grenade incident.  Is it not so?