MR DU PLESSIS
Mr Chairman, let me first deal with that aspect you've raised now.  It is indeed true that before this Commission today, there are actually two versions, the one of the Colonel, Col Mkosana, and the one of Rifleman Gonya.  Indeed, Mr Commissioner, it is so that it is my humble submission that the evidence leans to the favour of Col Mkosana, in as far as the military structures and command has been explained to this Commissioner, whereby certain commands would have been relayed in certain stages to certain people or persons under the command of Col Mkosana.  I refer the Honourable Commission to the testimony of Rifleman Gonya and it's exactly the point that was raised concerning the exact command that was given to him and at no stage, Mr Commissioner, it's my humble submission, is it on record and was clarified under cross-examination or it was determined under cross-examination, that Rifleman Gonya understood this general order as to open fire or that he should also open fire and therefore it's my humble submission Mr Commissioner, that this version of Mr Gonya is in actual fact in conflict with Col Mkosana, but the favour indeed leans to the Colonel's version that he indeed not instructed Mr Gonya to open fire.