ABRAM VAN ZYL
Mr Chairperson, what I testified to in court, does not differ from what I have said up to now.  I was aware of the fact and that Ferdi had told me that he was on an inactive list and that he would go and work outside the country in the following year, but I cannot understand that my evidence in court and the evidence that I give here, that it is now said that these are not the same, because to me they are exactly the same.