BRIAN QUNA MKHIZE
At the time we were seeking bail for these three boys, and we were still going to prepare for the trial, we spent quite a long time in the Ntinzeni court, trying to arrange bail.
	Mr Willis Nkunu then testified that on behalf of the community of eSikhawini, he requested these boys shouldn't be granted bail, because since they had been arrested, the killing of people had abated, there was peace in the area ... (tape ends) ... Bebebeyela and the others that I have already mentioned.
	Romeo Khumalo was also in that meeting.  We then tried to find a way of refuting these claims made by Mr Nkuna, because what he had said, seemed to be true, the area was quiet.
	We then planned that we should attack ANC areas, attack the people there, kill them so that if we started attacking the ANC, killing them, the CR at the Police station would increase, we would use that CR to use it to apply for bail.
	We would say from this date, since these boys had been in prison or had been in custody, this is the number of people who have died.  Who has killed these people, because the people who are claimed to be responsible, are in custody?
	This would then be in direct opposition of Mr Nkunu's testimony.  We then did this indiscriminately.  Because we had to raise the CR number quickly, we started shooting or killing people in large numbers, so that we could get bail for these boys.