CHAIRPERSON
So the criticism or what you call the criticism of the evidence, but the statement on page 2, that the evidence of the applicant ...(indistinct) the KTY was to frighten people and not kill them is false.  That would also apply to Botha, because he said that there was never an intention to kill and in fact I think he went so far as to say it was divine intervention that came in and ensured that that didn't happen.