EUGENE ALEXANDER DE KOCK
Chairperson, I cannot testify to that.  I never liaised with any of the Generals or with any of the police members of the Transkei.
	I do know that Warrant Officer Dan Naude and Captain Willie de Lange, there is one or two members but I know those two specifically liaised very closely with the Transkeian Security Branch.
	The third person is Colonel Griebenouw.