PROF DE KOKER
Thank you Mr Chairman.  What struck me when Major Mbatha said that Mr Smiles was reticent about speaking about this incident due to it's sensitive nature, was other statements in the document that you refer to and specifically page 18 - if I may refer the Committee members to that in bundle 2, the thicker bundle and that is the evidence under oath by Mr Sipho Moses Mbatwa, page 18 about 60 to 70% into the page
"I was with Mafu Dawids on that morning when Smiles came running up to us and said: "He did it"
	Major Mbatha, does that sound like the statement of someone who is reticent about speaking about the incident?