CHAIRPERSON
Sorry, you maybe ...[indistinct] mislead it then by saying possession.  I think it's quite clear that from what the applicant has said is that they possessed this mine and they were going to either Umbilo, well he mentions Umbilo Police Station, to use that mine, to put it on a building somewhere and let it go off.  So it's not merely the possession but the possession with the accompanying intent to ultimately use it.  I mean they weren't taking the limpet mine for a ride on the bus, they were taking it on a bus to get to a point so they could use it somewhere.