MR LAX
Mr Berger, what we're asking you to address us on in essence and this is where some of us have a concern and that is in arriving at Section 20 and the three jurisdictional requirements inherent in Section 20, should we not read that all together as the process by which the application comes to us i.e. Section 18 and Section 19 because it goes further than just Section 20.  There's an additional process in terms of which even when they are received we're still entitled to ask for further particulars and a whole range of other information gathering and investigative tools, if you like.  So what I'm asking you in essence is this, should we not be drawing a distinction between a number of different things here.  On the one hand the submission of the application, add to that Section 19 which provides a mechanism for giving directions on completion or submission and for further particulars.  After that point you then have an application.  That application is then in and then there's a further opportunity for further investigation and further particulars which is then inherent in the other sections after that.  So what I'm putting to you or asking of you is should we not be reading a consistent process in 18 and 19 which precedes the jurisdictional factors inherent in Section 20?