UNKNOWN
We have not given answer to that, we did not have them,  Mr Chairman.  The Commission had them, the police officers had them, the Commission had it.  They say they handed everything over.  We did not have the tape.  I am entitled, with respect, in the absence of the tape, to lead the person who transcribed those tapes, that person may or may not be believed or the person that actually put this document together, whether this is what is said or not.  I am entitled to use the document at this stage and, as you indicated, Mr Chairman, the weight to be placed upon the document will depend up on what evidence follows.