TESTIMONY_GIVER:
  You've said a mouthful, lady.  What bothers me is that I don't have knowledge as to where - as to the parents of the children who died in the cinema jumping from upstairs down to the floor, what the parents did after that.  But now that we have this - you know, at the time when these things were happening many people did not believe that they were still alive and they were still people.  The way this thing happened people lost hope and never thought there were still people who were worth living, because this picture was so hopeless that people were killed in front of the police.  The police and the soldiers witnessed this.  They were present and they collaborated with the killers, with the attackers.  I want to tell you this, that some of them, some of the children were not buried by their parents.  Most of the Umlazi children, as a chairman of Residents Association, even though I was not allowed - or as I say the children of Umlazi were buried by children around 12 to 14 years.  Those who died, only the children will go and attend the funeral because the parents could not attend the funeral.  Parents decided not to attend the funeral, and only children could go and attend the funeral.  But I don't know - you know, the question you have asked - what can Umlazi do?  What can be done for Umlazi to show that you are sympathising with what Umlazi went through?  You know, people are saying people should feel good about themselves, and you as the Truth Commission, probably you can do something in the light of this problem.  You should come and listen to people discussing when they are just chatting amongst themselves.  They have lost hope.  They don't trust Truth Commission, they don't trust Government, they don't trust any pastor.  They just trust in beer, the liquor.  That's all they trust. I thank you, Mr Gasa.  What you are saying is that the situation is so difficult now, and we have to look into this, especially Umlazi community. 