MR VAN WYK
Yes.  In December 1990 we tried to establish an organisation.  We convened a meeting with, among others, Mr Dries Alberts, it was I, du Plessis, Mat White and then one of his friends, Gane.  We founded the organisation.  We spoke about the possible establishment of an underground organisation.  We all took the view that the only way to mean anything to the struggle was to become militaristic and to go underground.