MR LOWIES
Now to be fair to you, at a later stage there was a dissent amongst people and one or two of them raised this fact that they did not agree.  But the point is, at a stage the record reflects that this happened and you were instructed, according to what you informed the judge, not to talk with the defence lawyers.  My question now is, did you ever refuse to talk to either Mr Strydom or Advocate Botha or any other lawyer acting for the applicants?