HERMANUS BAREND DU PLESSIS
Your Honour, tape recordings had been made at these meetings, but I can give you the assurance that the quality of those tapes was of such a nature, that it could not be used.  It was taken up at the Attorney General's level and at high levels and as far as I can remember, attempts were also made to have experts testify with regarding to voice recognition, but we couldn't succeed in getting this done.