CHAIRPERSON
Well thank you Mr Card?, as I say we could go on the whole day.  We have a very serious task before us as this Commission, to try and find the truth, not as perhaps as you perceive it, but as you and them will come to be reconciled in the truth.  A truth that will heal the wounds of the many people in the country and perhaps deal with why people have this perception of you.
MR CARD?: Mr Chairman, I would like to have sat together with these two gentlemen and discussed these things here, in front of everybody.  Let's find out where we, where the problem lay, because the problem is not mine, Mr Chairman, I can, that I'm quite sure of.    In fact, I thought these gentlemen would come in here to-day and say, no I'm sorry, it's not that Card?, it's somebody else.  That's what I believe to-day.