MR KAHANOVITZ
You see, Gen Webb says that the transition from Botha to De Klerk, had no impact whatsoever on his approach to operations.  He said, and he was asked about that, he gave absolutely no evidence about projects having to be resubmitted to him because of the change of State President, and his attitude in his evidence was that this was not a relevant factor, he doesn't know where Van Zyl got this from.  Now if Gen Webb knows nothing about this, how could Joe Verster have come to tell you that all projects must be resubmitted to Gen Webb?