MR SHANGWENI
I think it's proper that the applicant's argument is ...(inaudible) in a sense that you don't have to say whether he was a member of IFP at a specific period or not, then if it was not then he falls outside the ambit of the amnesty process but we have to understand the conflict.  Had there been no conflict in Claremont at that period, he would then be finding himself sitting here as an applicant if there was no conflict. ...(intervention)