CORNELIUS JOHANNES LOTTERING
Yes, what happened was that I refused to make any statements in terms of Section 29 and then the security police brought in Binneman to me and he then told me about his wife and children who didn't have any food on the outside and other men and their wives who were suffering because they were being held under Section 29 and at that point we had already been under Section 29 for a month and he then asked me to make a statement and he also showed certain things to me in terms of making the statement in such and such a way.  I believe that that discussion between me and him is definitely on tape somewhere in the security police, I'm sure that it must be available somewhere.