CHAIRPERSON
I think you have already got to that Mr Martini, because you have asked Mr van Zyl, whether he knew what went on in the "second in-house", he wouldn't know whether it was just Col Verster making the decision, or whether Gen Webb was present or who else ever was present, he had nothing to do with the "second in-house".
	The decision after the "second in-house" came via Mr Burger, through to him.  You have already got that, he would accept that ...