MAPULE RAMASHALA
My question relates to Bisho in specific, but to the gross human rights violations in general which were supported by the then government of the day, and I'd like to refer you to your last sentence on page 20.
"The National Party therefore requests that the Truth and Reconciliation Commission in its final report on the tragic shootings at Bisho on September 7 1992, include a list of the names of all children, women and men who died on that fateful day under the burning African sun.  Let
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their names and tragedy of the day remind us all and our children of the price they paid for us to enter into the New South Africa".
I want to say to all three of you this is the first time that the National Party has even said let's list, and I think it's too easy to say let's list because the blame on this side is put on Brigadier Gqozo and Ronnie Kasrils.  Never before in the past has there been a request to list, and we are talking about thousands, I'd like to put faces on this list and some of the faces are in this room and ask the question, and may I plead that I am not looking for a political answer, that one of my fantasies is to be a fly on the wall in a meeting of the National Party and ask this question, not about the list of the people who died but the children who were left fatherless, motherless, whose futures were changed for the rest of their lives, the question I ask, have there been any discussions or are there any discussions currently going on within the National Party about what should have happened to these children and what should be happening to these children and their future?  I want to bluntly refer to the golden handshakes that have been publicly pointed out.  I would like to publicly refer to the rewards that were given to the people who successfully committed missions to kill and to kill and to kill.  We have been very successful in killing.  We have been very successful in maiming and leaving people crippled for the rest of their lives.  We have been very successful in leaving children without parents and without a future.  Have there been any discussions at all within the National Party about these children, about these women who were left without?  I mean because these questions, these discussions EAST LONDON HEARING TRC/EASTERN CAPE
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would point to assuming responsibility ....(tape ends) ....and thousands of children, particularly Black children who have been left without a future and we all point to guns, we all point to statistics, we all point to who has done what, but I really have never heard any discussions from the political parties about these children and our future, because these are our future South Africa.  Please Sirs, I am not asking for a political answer, I am asking for your souls, I am asking for you to bear your souls.  Thank you.