BOY VUSIMUZI GWAMANDA
The very first time he spoke to me, I may not have a clear recollection of the date and I'm not in a position to even state the day, as to which day it was but talking about Matthew Phosa, that started or he started talking about him during the Codesa days.  He started about Matthew Phosa around that time, that he has to be killed because in the low-veld he's so much of great disturbance to the Boers.