MR P DU PLESSIS
No, Mr Chairman, with all due respect to my learned friend, that is not correct.  There was one certain point or one certain person, where Mr Basson chose to follow that route.  He was asked about it and he did answer and for the rest he has said he's not saying that he wasn't involved in those projects, he's refusing to answer because it may incriminate him.  So it's not correct to say that he chose to say he didn't do anything wrong or he wasn't involved, rather than say that he wasn't involved in those projects.  That's not his evidence.