TESTIMONY_GIVER:
  We heard that the area where we were it was IFP stronghold area, so we don't know who came out with the idea.  We buried Kumbulani and one family member came.  His name is Shandu as well.  He said to me I should change my mind.  I should think of moving away from that area, because we were not safe.  So he asked me that we should leave that area and we should go to a rural area where he would give us a place to build a new house, because he said from where he was there was no organization, no political organization at all.  I considered that and I called my brother.  I decided that I should follow this idea, because he was going to give us a piece of land for us to build our house, and then we decided that after Kumbulani's funeral we should leave, because we were always scared.  After the funeral my children had arranged trucks and lorries to take us.  We took - it was on Thursday - it took us two days, Thursday and Friday, and we left for Umgababa.  That's where I lost all these other kids.