MR DE KONING
If I look at the evidence which was led at the bail applications of the two applicants, I see on typed page 2, Chairperson I think it's page 12 of the bundle, Mr D Rie testified, I think he was from the Security Department of the Westonaria Gold Mine, he testified that he saw the accused, and at the bottom of the page he was asked, perhaps we should go from rule 19
"  Mr De Rie, on the 27th of April 1994, did you see the two accused on that day?
I saw accused No 1 earlier that night, at about seven
o'clock or twenty to eight in the Hills Haven area, he 
was driving in his vehicle."
He further says:-
" He had a passenger in the vehicle with him, I can't say that it was accused No 2.
		   Where did you see the two accused?"
That was the next question:-
"The vehicle was parked in front of a house of an AWB member in Hills Haven.
		Who is this person, what rank did he hold in the AWB? 
Mr De Bruin, he's one of the officers in the AWB."
Now the statement I'd like to make to you is that it appears to me that in the community in which you lived it was a generally known fact that you were involved in the right wing politics, especially AWB circles, and that you were openly so involved, you made so secret of that fact, am I right?