MR VISSER
Yes with a blue Toyota vehicle.  My learned friend is now going to refer to a blue Toyota vehicle.  If he refers to a Toyota vehicle which was blue and whatever happened to it, I've got no objection, but he's putting it that these people that he's referring to and their statements are here and we were going to refer you to them anyway, said it was Shabalala's vehicle, that is not so, Mr Chairman, that's the only point.