ADV DU PLESSIS
And in general terms besides covering of the heads, your testimony is not contested by Beeslaar.  Mr Nieuwoudt.  The only question that I have a problem with - and I think the Committee's also struggling with, is the question why there is a difference between your version with regard to when Captain Venter and Beeslaar arrived there and when they departed.
	 I don't know why there is such a difference and the only logical reason that I can use in argument is that Warrant Officer Beeslaar and Captain Venter played a very small role in this operation and that you the Port Elizabeth branch security members, didn't really pay any attention to them.  And that it is a possibility that the security force members of Port Elizabeth really can't remember their involvement and presence there - your comment on that?