PIETER JOHANN VERSTER
Mr Chairperson, that would depend on the options that had been evaluated and that had been placed in front of me by the region itself.  It has to do with disruption.  It did not necessarily mean that the individual had to be killed.  Sometimes it was possible for me to say no, it is not necessary to go that far and on my level, I would then give my opinion and I would help formulate the plan and refine the plan and then if it was a very heavy decision, it would be processed from the Chairperson up and I do not know who the Chairperson spoke to, that was his matter, and in certain cases it would then - well I would accept that the Chairperson always spoke on a higher level, but I did not have access to this level, but this is basically how it worked.