MR VISSER
Well, absolutely, Mr Chairman, absolutely.  That is our anticipation.  Look, if, with all due respect, if Mr Smiles and Mr Mbatha will tell you here under oath that they have no qualms about saying that the police did nothing wrong, the justice system did nothing wrong, it was just an unfortunate mistake, I would take instructions that the probabilities are that I will be back on the aeroplane to Pretoria this afternoon.