MDUDUZI CYRIL NGEMA
With the names, I have some difficulty because at the time, we were using pseudonyms.  Like myself, I was known commonly as so and so and so many other names, like for instance Leklapa.  The first time I realised that his name is Leklapa Mpashlele, it was when he was arrested.
	Before I used to know him as my overall, for his real name to come to the surface, it was only recent, in other words, all along as we were working with him, or relating to him, we were relating to him as my overall.  This very guy as well, Kushukushu, I will not be in a position to say it was his real name or a pseudonym or a code name for instance.