GEORGE BIZOS
I am going to put to you that Mr Marx says that the maximum period was 12 minutes, ten minutes of talking and two minutes when he - yes, there was interrogation for two minutes, he went out for ten minutes and when he came, there was this scrum around Mr Biko, so the maximum period that he was there, was 12 minutes.  Pages 130 and 131 of the record Mr Chairman.  Would that be wrong?