MOKOTEDI MPSHE
Yes, Judge, I agree, that is so, that is so.
	In respect of 3(e), I now referred to it.  Reference has been made to the approval of the organisation, institution or liberation.   My colleague has made it clear to this Committee that the applicants' case is not that the brutal act was approved or even sanctioned by the tribe, nor the action committee, but their case is that this was - this had the approval of the African National Congress.  Then I find a problem in that submission, because the approval, if there was any approval by the ANC, came after the fact, then one finds it difficult to can link the sanctioning or approval of this act with the ANC.  
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of the action committee.  Still, I have a profound problem with that, in the sense that evidence is very clear that at the meeting held at the Roman Catholic Church, the intention
was to demand or ask for the keys, and to further perhaps hold the deceased hostage. 
	Now in as far as that is concerned, one has no problem in finding an approval, a prior approval of sanction of demanding the keys and perhaps even holding of hostage.  The question of the killing or perhaps to use the most apposite word, the question of the murdering cannot be said to have been with approval of either the ANC - which is out of the question, it was after the fact - or the action committee, because the action committee never sanctioned the brutal murder.