MR NTSEBEZA
Yes, but you know what I am saying is we have now a memo by the secretary of that meeting who says that - I just want to know for instance now that you look at this, and you will recall, I mean this was a momentous occasion, it was not just like ordinary times in your "loopbaan", times were very different and there was a specific document that had come you know for your attention.  You held a meeting, all the structures looked at it and it comes up with a recommendation for a specialised operation of a clandestine committee, for instance were you part of a clandestine committee that was going to mount a specialised operation when the climate was right?  What was this, what was this climate and what was it that had to be right about the climate?