DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER
No, I cannot remember.  Then Mr Basson explained to Mr van Zyl, how the mechanisms work, how he had to detonate with a remote control and how to explain that to his infrastructure, so that they would not harm themselves.
	I want to mention that Mr Verster's order around the blowing up of the property was coupled with the order that there had to be no loss of life and that as far as possible, it had to be prevented that innocent people would die, meaning not only the Kewtown Movement who had to leave the premises without any loss of life, but also other individuals.
	At that stage at the hotel with the explanation of the mechanisms, Mr van Zyl told us quite clearly that he was uncomfortable and he didn't feel capable to handle this thing with the explosives.  I contacted the Chairman, sorry the Managing Director, Mr Verster,  and I told him that my suggestion to him was to involve Mr Calla Botha, because Mr Botha had reasonable knowledge, and he was more at ease with the handling of explosives.
	In this way I contacted Mr Botha and asked him to come to our premises at the Protea Gardens.  Mr Botha joined us and the procedure was explained to him very briefly.  He had to convey this to Gakkie, and explain to him how the mechanism worked and how to detonate it.