MR MCHUNU
That is correct.  If I may proceed to the applicant was actually challenged on the question of whether or not he ever did become a member of either the UDF or the ANC.
	I submit Chair, that the applicant in this matter, has quite consistently explained his position, that he never at any stage, was a member of the UDF and if you take also into cognisance the fact that the applicant was at that time only 13 years old, if you count from the time when he was born in 1972, he was only 13 years old, and it was a very tender age for him to understand the whole political dynamics at that time, and too, and most importantly, the organisations at that time, operated underground.
	Such was the UDF too, it operated underground.  The activities and the dissemination of information was not as good as it is today.