MR ZILWA
That was exactly the point I was going to make Mr Chairman, because it says member or supporter.  Now, in the event that it is not accepted that in acting as they did, they acted as members of the ANC.  Now if that is rejected on the basis that if they were doing that they should first have obtained the authority of the ANC then my alternative argument would be that there can be no doubt that in their minds, they acted as supporters of the ANC.  Now why do I say that?  Their evidence without exception, the evidence of all of them is that Chris Hani was a very respected leader to who they looked up to epitome, that's how they put it in their applications as the epitome of everything they stood for in the struggle.  So if it to be suggested in any way that their failure to first obtain the authority of the ANC or the SACP, which Chris Hani was a leader of, then that takes them off the category of members of the ANC or the SACP at the time of the commission of the offence.  Then the alternative argument would be that there is absolutely no evidence to then say what they say, that when they acted as they did, they acted as at least the supporters of those organisations and the objective, according to them, is that since the nature of the act that had been committed to which they reacted, i.e. the murder of Chris Hani, was such that it plunged this country into the abyss and almost all hope for black people which they represented almost went out of the window and they realised that actions such as this would be allowed to go on, all hope of the negotiations which were going afoot, all hope of any proposition that a black man would ever be given the vote would go out of the window if similar leaders like Chris Hani were to be killed.  Now what they say is that when that occurred and they realised how gloomy the future would be for the black man in this country if similar operations were carried on, i.e. similar leaders like Chris Hani would be assassinated, then all hope for liberation of the black man in this country would go through the window.  So they say in an effort to present that and to send a very clear message to the government and those right-wing elements, they say by the way, in their mind, they associated the government which of course were known it had a lot of dirty tricks at that stage, they associated it with this action.  So they say their action was designed, their action as supporters of their organisations was designed to send a clear message to this government and whoever.