MR VERSTER
I have already explained what the circumstances were, you may have your own opinion.  I told you exactly what the circumstances were at that stage.  Just in addition, Chairperson, there was a process where they started talking about amnesty and general amnesty and we still relied upon the amnesty approach that is current for soldiers within Act 44/57, and there was no other way, no protection from any other side for the reasons that I have already mentioned.  So based on that, I did this and I also changed it.  In other words, I specifically changed to be able to get to the truth and 90% of what I am telling you at this point can be found in documentation.  Even this documentation we asked for because we were wrongfully under the impression that privilege worked like this.  It is not asked from Mr Bizos, it came from us.  So 90% of what I have said here this morning is in writing.