MR HENDRICKSE
Mr Chairman, clearly the time was estimated by the applicant to be three to five minutes.  If there is a discrepancy between that evidence and the evidence as presented by the video footage and that the journalist has testified to, but it is my submission that whilst in that state of shock, anger and being confused, and maybe frustrated I may add, it may well be that more time had elapsed than what he realised.
	But it is my submission it is not material whether it was three minutes, five minutes or 15 or 20 minutes.  It is not so material for the purpose of this Commission.