CHAIRPERSON
Yes thank you, Ms Mtanga, for your trouble, your efforts, we appreciate that.  As we have indicated at the end of the day yesterday, or Tuesday, we will take into account all of the further factors that the interested parties and the victims have placed before us via Ms Mtanga, which we have noted, and that will be taken into account in coming to a decision on those applications.  Yes, well that would conclude that matter.
	We also just want to indicate that we are starting the proceedings later than usual this morning, we've had some difficulty in getting started.  The victims, amongst other things, with an interest in the matter, had to travel to the venue where we are sitting, and the applicant is in custody, he's serving a sentence in regard to some of the matters that he's applying for amnesty in respect of before us, and that has caused some unforeseen delays.  So we are starting the proceedings, unfortunately, later than what we had planned and anticipated and we apologise if any inconvenience has been occasioned as a result of that.
	We will just take the appearances first before we proceed with the application.  On behalf of the applicant?  Mr Lubbe.