MR VISSER
Mr Chairman, while we had been sidetracked now, may we ask some guidance perhaps.  It seems to us Mr Chairman, that we are now running into 17 civil trials here.  No more and no less, basically trials for compensation with 17 witnesses that are going to come and give evidence.  All of whom will tell you that they are not opposing the application.
	Some of who will contradict the applicants in a matter, some of whom will implicate some of my clients, inter alia.  I am not certain and that is why I say I would like to ask some guidance Mr Chairman, because we find ourselves sitting on two chairs here, we don't act for the government, we are not here to protect the government against claims which are now being established here.
	We don't see how this fits in really in the procedure which is being envisaged in an amnesty application, clearly a victim is entitled to come and tell you his story.  There is clear provision for that.  I think the point about that would be Mr Chairman, to place you in a better position to make a recommendation as to whether A, B or C should be viewed as a victim for purposes of compensation.
	But my question is this, and this is what I would like some guidance on because I would like to give feedback to Pretoria about this Mr Chairman, where we discuss our position in the situation, is it really intended that we should have 17 trials here so to speak?  We have a serious
problem, I wouldn't like to get involved in this, unless I have to.