CHAIRPERSON
We've also heard evidence earlier on when you were present, I think it was when we were in Richard's Bay, I think it was the evidence of Mr Mkhize, that some of the Caprivians were just unreliable, he never even thought of making use of them as a unit commander because they were unreliable, they had turned to drink, they were drunkards, they were womanisers, as he put it, and couldn't be relied upon.  Would such people also have had the general instruction to kill at their own discretion?