MR CLAASSEN
Mr Chair that is exactly what I would like to get at.  I think it was in, by the witness for Mr Cachalia, Mr Dastile, and I think it was also noted by the Committee, upon asking him what had proceeded and with specific reference to this group of ANC people referred to, and I think it was also clear from the judgment and the pieces stated out of that, that there was an angry ANC crowd who, by his own submission, said that they might disobey ANC orders not to attack IFP people and he, at that stage, in his own submission, feared a revenge attack.  	Mr Chairman it is true that as far as the incident in Mr Moloetsi's tavern is concerned it is disputed and Mr Mpongosi's version is that there was an incident earlier, the 4th, a week earlier than what the witness for Mr Cachalia alleges.  Mr Chair what I would like to get to is, I think from all the versions given by the applicants it is quite clear that there was a threatening situation in Zevenfontein at that stage.  As to what exactly led to this, is still open to questioning.  If I may I think Mr Sithole indicated that there had been a problem with the civic organisation.  There had been a problem with this usurping of the powers by the ANC.  The IFP people were unhappy with what was going on.
	So I think it is quite clear that there had been a bit of animosity there and there was quite a feeling between the two parties.