GEORGE BIZOS
If I remember correctly, Mr Mpshe, Mr Chairman or my attorney or both, I'm not sure.  But I may say Mr Chairman that I share your misgivings - in relation to Mr Visser he is really established a means of communications which is very difficult and my attorney has had considerable trouble.  I believe that Mr de Waal has only recently been traced by the investigation officer that investigated the criminal trial against the two applicants.