MR MBANDAZAYO
Can you then proceed?  Go to the second incident Mr Khotle, just please tell the Committee about the second incident.  How many were you and how were you armed?
MR KHOTLE
In this second operation we were five, it was myself, Scorpion Totina is one person, the third person was King, the fourth one was Roger, the fifth person was Kleintjie.  The reconnaissance for that attack was done by me.  There was a problem.  There was a house, supposed to be occupied by the owner of the farm and there were also houses supposed to be  occupied by the employees and there was also a place where the cows were fed.  Now that was the - there was a problem.  We noticed that either way, the owners of the farm do not live there.  They took Africans and they made them live in that house that was supposed to be occupied by them.   As a result we decided, yes, even if it was occupied by an African, but it qualified to be the target.  This does not mean Africans were automatically targets because they were in that house, we thought they were being used as shields and we had to minimise so that at the end the operation is carried, but there are no injuries, that is referring to the farm workers, so that not one of them gets injured.
		I was armed with a 7.65.  We had a stun gun as well and we had Molotovs and we had grenades that were not functioning well, the mechanism was not working well, but we took them anyway, so that at the time of throwing the molotovs, the information we do not have is correct, we'd throw them in the fire and they will explode through the help of the fire.   
		So we left then for the farm and on our arrival, that is when we approached, many dogs approached us.  We advanced towards them and they shied away to another room, where we threw the molotovs and people screamed inside, they cried.  Now that was the impression, the impression that I got out of that was that the people who were crying were the farm workers.  Now I concluded that they were being used as shields, the owners of the house were not in the house, they might have been living in town.  	Now during the course of throwing these molotovs, I took out another instruction.  I said the throwing of molotovs should be stopped, only to find that they had been thrown already and then we retreated.  Kenny, who has since died, had the grenades and the sabotaged hand grenades.  The initial instruction was not to throw the grenade in case it is noticed that the occupiers of the house are Africans, but during this whole incident, it happened that he dropped the grenade.  
		We thereafter retreated and then we burned the veld and we went back to the Transkei.  I wanted to know, at a certain point, who was left where and whether there were any casualties and that is where I learned that Kenny dropped that sabotaged hand grenade and that was the end of the operation.