MR VISSER
Yes well assault in all it's various forms would fall under assault.  Well, Chairperson, that I leave in your discretion but we're thankful for having been alerted to the issue which Commissioner Bosman has brought up.  It would appear, Chairperson, speaking off the top of my head that the difference between an assault and torture would certainly involve also the mental agony to the victim and certainly, if on the facts of the matter it is found that there was such mental agony and apparently there was, then torture would be the correct thing to apply for.  Chairperson, may I just on that score and I don't want to take up more of your time than is absolutely necessary, we  have submitted very recently that perhaps, Chairperson, as you know that from the beginning we all have had difficulties with certain provisions of the Act which could have been a little clearer and one of the remaining issues, Chairperson, is - and I know very well what Commissioner de Jager's attitude about this is in specifying offences for which you apply for amnesty but the question really here is does the Act really expect the Committee to find on the facts which precise offences or delicts had been committed or is it not really the function of the Committee in the intention of the legislature simply to grant amnesty for all offences and delicts committed in the confines of a particular incident.  Now I don't want to take that much further but if my submission is correct that on a proper reading of the Act the interpretation must be that it is not your function and that all that is expected of you is to grant amnesty for any delict or offence committed specifying a particular offence.  Then Chairperson, all these issues fall away.