DALAQOLO WORDSWORTH LUTHULI
A Policeman by the name of Nkupeni Gumedi came to me.  He was staying at Bopela.  He said that there was an IFP member called Qwamanda who stayed in an area called Sangonya.  He told me that this person was dead and he had been killed by the UDF.
	They had removed him from a bus on his way to or from work, I cannot remember.  These people were known or their whereabouts were known.  He asked me to assist him with equipment.
	I then gave him equipment, although I cannot remember how many AK47's I gave him, short guns as well, 9 mm pistols.  I gave him those weapons.
	They then went and carried out this operation.  At the scene, AK47 empty cartridges were found.  Investigators then went to Zakhile Mkehle and asked for the AK that was used in the attack to be thrown away somewhere so that they could pick it up and report it.
	This Policeman came to me and asked me to give the AK that I had given to the people who had carried out the murders at Sangonya. 
	They told me that they had been informed by Zakhile Mkehle.  I was surprised because Zakhile had told me that Van Vuuren's group were members of the IFP.
	How did it come about that they were now asking me about AK47's?  Our discussion became tense to the point that they told me that they know that I am an MK member and that they knew that the weapons that I was using, belonged to MK.
	Then I told them that I knew these people as members of the IFP.  I told them that I had left Umkonto weSizwe a long time ago and the guns that they were talking about, belonged to the IFP.
	They asked me to prove what I was saying.  I took them to M.Z. Khumalo in Ulundi.  After having spoken to Zakhile,  Zakhile said that I should go with them to Ulundi.  When we arrived at Ulundi, on our way there we had picked up Fourie who was in the KwaZulu Police, either at Umlazi or KwaMashu and he accompanied us.
	When all this happened, I was already arrested.  When we arrived at Ulundi, M.Z. Khumalo told them that we were in a war situation and that the AK47 belonged to him but he wouldn't give the guns to them.
	He told them that the guns were not with him, and he wouldn't give them to the Police.  The Police said that they would keep me in custody, when he brought the AK47, then they would release me because I had given the guns to the boys.
	Those boys had already confessed that the person who had given them the guns, was (indistinct).  Then we came back, and I was detained.