MR VISSER
Correct, it would be better to keep it on the roll in case something happened in the meantime.  That is the point which we've reached at this stage, Chairperson.  You have his application before you, in which he says he doesn't know anything about any torture or any gross violation of human rights, he was just told later that she had died.  And if you look at what he applies for, he simply applies for his part in the abduction and for defeating the ends of justice.  So I'm not asking on his behalf for any gross violation of human rights.