MR VAN RENSBURG
Thank you.  Still talking on the role that the deceased played before his death.  There are two statements that you made in your evidence in chief that I think compete with each other and I want your explanation on that.  The one is that you said the deceased was a commoner and that he played no significant role on the one hand, that's the one statement that you made, and later in your testimony you state that he acted as if he was the chief in the area.  Can you please explain that apparent contradiction?