TESTIMONY_GIVER:
  I just heard that they had done that.  They had gone to see Zuma.  I didn't get what Zuma had promised them.  I didn't get that he got any information from Zuma.  I personally didn't get that, but I do know that they did do that.  They went to Zuma, because I heard about it, but what Zuma said or promised or anything he said I didn't get myself.  I really don't know.