MR VISSER
Can I try to assist Mr Chairman, just for the sake of assisting and not for the sake of attempting to interrupt but because you're asking the question.
	Mr Chairman, Ngo, according to the evidence became a police informer in 1983.  He was stabbed in 1984.  His trial was completed by 1985. In 1985 he was in Ladybrand.  He completed his matric at the end of 1985.  He joined the police on the 11th of March 1986 and he left for the police college on the 4th of July 1986.  Those are the relevant dates.