MS PATEL
All right, fine.  He says, further, that the idea to attack the van had arisen on the Tuesday prior to the incident and that he told them that they could not just go in and perform an operation of this seriousness without properly checking out the scene where it was to take place and on that basis he managed to postpone the attack on the van and that he himself on the Wednesday morning went through to the area with Chris Piet to survey the area.  He told them, he told Chris Piet and company, further, that they needed to ascertain that the van comes through generally at the same time and that they should do it for a few more days, but that on the Thursday morning he made an excuse and asked Eric to accompany some of the members to the scene and that he then contacted you on the Thursday to inform you of what was happening.