MR VAN DER BERG
Chairperson, I think we are going to start speculating now.  The applicant's evidence in chief which he initially started with, in that he said the occupants of the Mercedes Benz aimed at him.  He used the word aimed.  He did not say they shot at me.  Only later he said they shot at me, but firstly he said they aimed at me and then apparently he shot the warning shot.
	I don't know what the warning shot was for, but in any case, shooting did take place, but there is no direct evidence which pertinently says that the AWB did indeed fire shots and if they shot at people.
	I can also just mention this as background, the Tebbutt Commission found that there were bystanders, who threw rocks at the Mercedes Benz and maybe this ignited this whole atmosphere and maybe then the AWB did fire shots, maybe it was only warning shots, we do not know.  
	But maybe this defused the whole situation.   But it is quite certain that yes, there was shooting.  But we are not sure who shot when or who shot at who.