MR P WILLIAMS
Sir, what I find quite amazing is that, is the total absence of arrests whatsoever even though your group had the capacity to infiltrate that group on numerous occasions and in this respect I refer to the infiltration of Sergeant Mbelo, I refer to the infiltration of Eric Maluleka, Jimmy Mbane.  Somewhere else we also hear that Mr Liebenberg had his own sources who were inside the group and I assume that these different people infiltrated that group at various stages, at the different stages.  Do you want to comment on that?