CHAIRPERSON
And we are unanimous in one aspect, it is that where we are talking about an ambush which is the case here, an ambush and an attack, does it matter whether two people went to the van or five or ten, is that going to make a substantial difference?  I don't know how many people you are talking about, maybe you better put it to him and it may clear your own mind.  I mean, I have come across cases where people said we stabbed him five times, and the Doctor says seven times, so the victim got stabbed.  That is the important issue.  Maybe you can put it to him that it is going to be said that how many people your instruction says, went to the van, in fact went, and let's see what he says.