ADV DE JAGER
Mr Black, I am worried that we are putting things to a witness and we don't know whether in fact what is the true position as far as the record is concerned.  I think you better study the record and make sure that what we are putting, or what you are suggesting, is in fact what stands in the record.  We've got sympathy with you of having this record of over 100 or 200 pages in total, I don't know, and receiving it only during lunch time and that was the only opportunity you had to read it.
  But I think we will really be more productive if we would continue after you have really studied it and it is unfortunate because we won't have the opportunity to have a copy of the record, presumably before we are leaving tonight.