THOMAS MANTHATA
Thank you, Mr Thelele.  Thelele what you're telling us is what do no longer exist, what you were trying to tell us to-day.   The pain which you went through during those evictions and during the times where you used to lived, live by permits was something which to-day when we are talking of human rights, is, we are talking about.  Some of us, when we grew up, those things were outdated and it could, it could be a joke to us like some of us are doing now.  My question is that, while you were a member of the Advisory Board at the time, were you able to monitor how many people were being evicted from their houses?  And when those people were trying to, to complain, what help did you give them?  As the Advisory Board, if  someone was complaining, they used to come to us and we used to solve, try to solve their problems without going to the Magistrate's Court or to be sent to, to prison, especially the young ladies were being very much protected and they used to come to us and complain about impregnated by young men and we used to tell them that, in Messina as people, most guys were unemployed during those times.  We used to advise them to sit down and discuss issues but the Advisory Board and that boer, they didn't want to see young guys around Messina.  I swear, this Patrick Mpepu and Sal, Sedrick Patrudi, I talked to them and  discussed these things with them, about what was happening around here.  Can I ask you again.  Those people who evicted, was it young guys who were single or bachelors and young ladies, old  spinsters?  As you were trying to explain to us that there were also older women who were evicted from houses.  I actually want to understand who were being evicted from houses because they didn't have permit.