TESTIMONY_GIVER:
  Sir, training was after Colonel de Kock's time, after Dirk - was during Colonel de Kock's time, after Captain Coetzee had left.  He would show us videos showing you how bad things were and what tactics you were to use.  In the time of Captain Dirk Coetzee there was no training.  You would be told theoretically how to go to war, and how bad these political organisations were, and about others who had defected from the political organisations.  And they would tell you that - how bad the political beliefs were.