AZHAR CACHALIA
That's what I will argue sir, thank you.  One final matter.  I'm not very clear about it.  There was the question put to you, did the ANC leadership take over or usurp the function of the civic, did you want it to be disbanded?  Please, what was your attitude in respect of the civic?  Did you want it to be disbanded, did you want the parents committee and the civic or whatever it was and did you want to take over and usurp that function, or what was your position?  I wasn't very clear as to what your answer was.  Please, I think you should be given another opportunity to just make your position clear.