PHILLIPUS CORNELIUS KLOPPERS
This was in the open meeting.  The same words were not used there, the words were used 12 December 1993 when Chris van der Heever stood up and asked that the date should be extended because his men were at Skanskop in Pretoria and they were waiting for the 16th of December.
	This was when Willem Rutter also took up position in Skanskop, he asked for an extension.  Gen Oelofse then said nothing is to be extended, remove your men from Skanskop, now was the time for the revolution to start.