CHAIRPERSON
And then there is just another aspect, I think you have already dealt with it, but just to clear it up.  It is something that appears in Mr Nieuwoudt's application, okay we know that he has withdrawn his application, but just in relation to what you said.  If you go to page 42 of the papers, I am just trying to find it here.  Yes, page 42, this is Mr Anton Nieuwoudt's application, he says
"I was called in by Oupa Gozo and told that I was to supply him with ammunition and arms.  I refused to do so because the weapons could be traced back to the Transkei.  Oupa Gozo and I agreed to make money available to him, so that he would be able to purchase weapons.  I compiled a motivation to Oupa Gozo for the obtaining of R150 000, which he approved.  The funds were handed over to Duli before witnesses and he signed for it."
	Now you mention something about getting large amounts of money, of which you yourself, ultimately ended up with more than R100 000, in addition to the buying of fishing rigs and houses on the Gonube mouth and all that sort of thing.  What do you say about this extract here that I have just read to you now?