ADV VISSER
Mr Chairman we have no objection.  May we just point out, and we don't want to enter the arena of the argument, but we do have an interest, you know that this witness implicates some of our - and what we wish to point out Mr Chairman is that perhaps we are chasing the dog's tail because if we don't have the annexure which is referred to in that document and apparently this is not available, it may very well be that we can't continue with this thing.  I am just mentioning it as a factor.