CHAIRPERSON
Let me put it to you this way.  Mr Sonti we're being referred to an article which is dated December 12, 1993 which is said to be an excerpt from the City Press of that date which quotes Mr Robert McBride of the ANC peace desk as having confirmed, firstly that a group of armed people were fighting ANC youth and the civic leaders.  Is that the first part?
	He's now relating to the - he's referring to the killing of the deceased and the [inaudible] presumably.  He says a group - well he's quoted as having said a group of armed people were fighting ANC youth and the civic leaders and then he is reported as having gone on to say they could not be described - he denied that they could be defined as members of the SDU.  Presumably the reference here is the reference to this group of armed men.  What do you say to that?  Would that be an accurate description of the group as you understood the position then?