HERMANUS BAREND DU PLESSIS
I'm going to try and explain what happens in practice if I can remember correctly.  The moment we requested the transfer of Kondile - because at that stage you must remember he was detained in terms of Section 22, they reported to head office that he had been transferred to Port Elizabeth and that he had to be discharged in the Free State.  That is to say that their documentation had to be or they had to - they had a warrant, there had to be a counter-warrant and that's all that this says.