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before this evidence is placed before this Committee.
	I also want to draw a distinction between Mamasela and van Jaarsveld simply and purely because 
of the fact that Mamasela would have been a witness if the Committee allowed him to be called on behalf 
of the applicants, would have been a witness pertaining to specific incidents.
	Captain van Jaarsveld is only needed by the applicants at this stage and that is the only request 
that we make, is to call him on this issue.  He was also a State witness which was included in the previous 
application which was refused by the Committee and that application entailed evidence pertaining to the 
specific facts of these specific deeds. This application is of a much more limited nature and the evidence 
will also be of a much more limited nature.  	The submission by Dr Pretorius that whatever information 
we obtain during consultation this morning, could be put to General van der Merwe, I find that strange.  I 
cannot see how that can lead to evidence before this Committee, which can be taken into account at the end 
of the day when the amnesty applications are considered.