MR POTGIETER
Right.  So the indictment is that your men were never redeployed to cater for this changed situation and that left the defence force who only had lethal weapons on them, they didn't have weapons of crowd control because they are not trained for that, your men were trained for that, so it left the Ciskean Defence Force people to cater for this situation and the Police were nowhere to be found.  And in fact, just to finish it off, what you are holding out EAST LONDON HEARING TRC/EASTERN CAPE
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today as a positive thing, the fact that your men didn't fire one shot, was seen by them as an indictment because your men had the means of crowd control, you could have fired teargas or whatever.  So they are really saying that you should have been doing, you should be upfront, you should have been upfront there.