MR VISSER
May I just stop there for a moment.  You know that it is part of the history and general knowledge that the struggle that we referred to during these amnesty applications by 1989 actually began to subside, isn't that so?  Then there were negotiations or at least talk of negotiations and in 1990 there were already negotiations.  Could you just tell the Committee Members and the Chairperson according to your insights as a member of the security branch whether the struggle had already subsided by that stage or whether it continued?