CHAIRPERSON
You see this goes back to what I put to you.  If one just looks at the probabilities, if one takes into account Gen Webb's approach saying that he would not have granted authority without having gone up and gotten authority from his superiors.  So if he - let's just assume that Mr Verster comes and says: "Okay, we want approval for these two operations", Webb them follows the route and he goes up to some other higher General, then comes back and says: "You've got ..."  I'm just finding it difficult, how would there be a misunderstanding or a mistake?  How could there be?