MR VISSER
My learned friend has said that three times now, Chairperson, and that's not the evidence.  The evidence was that initially it was supposed to be an abduction, that was Jantjie's evidence, that's not this witness's evidence.  This witness says if it would become necessary later, if it appeared that people either saw them or that there were suspicions, they would then use it as a cover to put out the word that she was abducted, in order for her to have a cover to back to the ANC.  That was this witness's evidence.  He never said that it was supposed to be a pretended abduction from the word go, that was not his evidence.