CHAIRPERSON
Well you see, it seems to me that for the lay person's viewpoint to prevail, the lay person would have to go further and say; my fears are that notwithstanding the evidence that would be before you, which suggests otherwise, you are going to ignore that evidence and you are going to find against us.  If the lay person can't go that far, if he can't suggest we're going to ignore the evidence, then I can't see how the fears come into the picture.  Because once it is accepted that we've got to decide the matter based on the evidence before us, I can't see how, what the Commission has found based on the material that was before it, it can come and influence us.  Because if we do that, it would seem to me that it would be gross dereliction of duty, because we have to decide the matter based on the evidence before us.  So unless your lay person goes further and says; I fear that in light of this report, these findings, this Committee is going to ignore the evidence before it and will find against us on this issue.