MR DONAN
Let's deal with another person - applicant before this Committee as I understand it, a Mr F W de Klerk leader of the National Party.  He says in his application - sorry, it's a statement to the TRC, I withdraw the application part of my submission.  He says
"In dealing with the unconventional strategies from the side of the Government, I want to make it clear from the outset that within my knowledge and experience, they never included the authorisation of assassination, murder, torture, rape, assault or the like.  I have never been part of any decision taken by Cabinet, the State Security Council or any Committee authorising or instructing the Commission of such gross violations of human rights, nor did I individually directly or indirectly ever suggest, order or authorise any such action".
Have you heard that statement before?