MR WEBSTER
I'm not suggesting that they are now lying, but how much weight can you attach to that?  To my mind the courts have always had very little faith in the evidence of a witness who has listened to the evidence of other witnesses who have testified in the same matter, in the same case.  They have never placed much weight on that evidence.  Now we have applications on oath, which are tantamount to that, we have evidence presented before you or to you, which are based on that and again I say the probabilities are not in favour of accepting such evidence as being reliable evidence upon which one can say there has been full disclosure and discharge of the onus.
	My learned friend has spoken of a document which I believe  are Heads of Argument.  Unfortunately, I'm one of those who has not been favoured with that document and therefore I am unable to actually respond to the arguments that he raised and I do not believe that I would be able to do justice to that, but then Mr Chairman, probably now just to get to, quickly, to each applicant.  	Some attempt was made to play around with the injuries of people who were injured on the left side of their bodies, of their faces.  Mr Chairman, if you - not if you, my apologies, I cannot say if you, having read the evidence and if you look at it again, you will find that Maj Botha's evidence was that he shot at the rear wheel of this Cressida with the intention of bringing it to a stop and he also stated that there is a possibility that one or some of the shots, let's put it that way, may have gone higher than the wheel that he was shooting at, but when the injuries of the people that were injured there, I'm talking now of the injuries which according to the post mortems were the injuries which caused the demise of the persons, he was quite clear that those injuries could not have been caused by him.