ANDRIES STEPHANUS KRIEL
Mr Chairperson, if I could reply to that.  I have never been a member, I do not know how the structures worked.  I'm trying to ascertain the structures so that we know what the chain of command is, because there are so many Generals and Brigadiers that are involved in these applications that I am lost and that is why I'm trying to get this from the witness so I can establish that, that I may proceed.