MR MSHE
Mr Chairman, that is so, Mr Pillay is in Canada.  And, Mr Chairman, Mr Pillay was contacted and he has since submitted a statement that he - in his letter, I've got a covering letter where he states that this letter can be - this statement can be made use of at the Truth Commission hearing, that is this hearing.  I was going to inform the Committee that at the end of the evidence that I have that letter, which copy I am going to read into the record and give copies to the members of the Committee.  He is not here himself, but he is aware of
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what is happening now as per his letter.