ROKAYA SALOJEE
Number one, no they were not sympathetic.  Number two, at that time we knew that Van Tonder was in charge of the Indians, but he never tortured anybody.  I don't know but I don't think so.  But Swanepoel, like I say, if they go to Greys Building you are not there so you cannot say who tortured him.  I can only tell of the event when they told me, Swanepoel told me your husband is dead now you are going to commit suicide at the Zoo Lake.  So I cannot tell you exactly but I am sure at that time there are people that were alive and came out to tell the story, but I cannot JOHANNESBURG HEARING TRC/GAUTENG
16 R SALOJEE
tell the story because I wasn't detained to come out and say well Swanepoel has tortured me, because they wouldn't tell you who tortured your husband.  They would normally change.  You would have sometimes five people standing there in the room and questioning you because I used to go there, practically every month I had to go and report there they would question you and the next time when you go there again, you go to the bench you would find somebody else that you have got to register and when you go up to the security then there was maybe one person that was present that you know the last time, but then there were other people that you didn't know because they never introduced themselves.  You had to find out for yourself who the people are.  So there were so many changes that you eventually don't know how many names there are.  Are there five, are there ten or are there a hundred, you were not sure, and that's - I was not sure but I knew that Swanepoel was the one that told me that he is dead, you are the next to commit suicide.  
 Like I said only those who were detained and came out can say who and who tortured them, but I cannot say.  That is what I would like to know. That's why I have asked the Commission to enquire and find out.  I can only give you one name and that's Swanepoel.  From there I am sure you could get the other names.  There are many people that were tortured and detained so they can give you other names.  Eventually I am sure you will come out to the people that tortured Bubla because I would like to know.