MR PHOSA
Except that Mr Commissioner, my difficulty is you asked me to answer and explain and when I explained you stopped me.  All I'm saying is the way I see it, it is not necessary for the Commission or the Committee to find that kind of answer from the witness - from the potential witness or this security policemen, all that is important is that he accuses that team of assaulting the very Mthimkhulu in an interrogation that has been mentioned here - during a period mentioned here and therefore I would therefore expect that by definition that is relevant to Mr Erasmus.  Now, I ...[intervention]