MAZIZI THOMAS NTISANA
I read that from the newspapers and I also saw that on TV, Sir, because I was already in prison when it became clear that he was working with them, or he sympathised with them.  But before the Holomisa coup, the reasons why the government was overthrown I became aware of those reasons because they said that the security of the Transkei was not working properly.  The relatives were the ones who were hired and ...(indistinct) Matanzima was also arrested.  Those were the reasons that led to the removal of Ms Stella Sigcau.