MR WESSELS
Well the laws of precedent are not applicable, because you're not a court of law, you're an administrative body.  And it is my submission that administrative bodies are clearly bound by any Judgment of a Supreme Court.  So to that extent, irrespective of whether the parties were heard or not, if there's a Judgment with a certain ratio, that ratio applies until it is set aside of course.
	Mr Chairman, then it's clear that insofar as my client is concerned, that there is no question that he did not do any of these acts for personal gain but he acted merely in his capacity as a solider of the State,  and there's no personal malice, ill will or spite directed at the victims of the acts.  
	And then I deal with the full disclosure aspect for which amnesty is applied for.  And then let me emphasis again, Mr Chairman, it doesn't appear in my Heads, but being an administrative procedure, if it is suggested that there is no full disclosure of factual events, then those particular allegations must be placed or put to a particular person for him to deal with that.  
	Now the criticism during Verster's evidence, not ...(intervention)