MR VAN ZYL
That amongst others the case.  I think with the kombi instance Ismail was involved and I contacted Peaches to receive confirmation whether the kombi had been set alight, which he gave me.  But I think the first time with regard to Peaches, which drew my attention to his unreliability, was when we tested him with the package with the stones which was returned and he had fiddled with the package.  That is also in my evidence.  And his excuse to me was that he gave it to another person and that the other person had opened it.  So therefore at that stage I mistrusted him, but as I have said I had no-one else to use and I regarded him as reliable enough to continue with this project.