MR MGIDLANA
Thank you Chairperson.  I think Mr Mtimkulu has put clearly the attitude of the victims which is to the effect that if the applicant qualifies to be granted amnesty in terms of the requirements of the Act they will have no quarrels with that.  I would have hoped therefore that in his address the representative of the applicant will be mindful of that and I hope that those who were the victims who seem to be the only ones that are prepared to extend a hand of reconciliation are not going to feel bad out of some submissions that have been made on behalf of the applicant which, with respect, I think some of them have got an element of arrogance in them.  But be that as it may, it is not for the victims to come and give evidence, to try and show that the applicant has not told the whole truth and subject themselves to cross-examination.  We had avoided that purposely because we did not want the situation wherein it will turn out into a fight between the applicant because from the very word go it became clear that the victims were interested in the telling of the truth.  I must say that during the testimony of the applicant I had a feeling which feeling I must say it was not my personal feeling but out of interacting with the victims, they were not satisfied at the level to which the applicant was prepared to tell the truth.  Of course I'm heartened because towards the end of the hearing during the cross-examination by the legal representative of the Police, the implicated members of the Police, it was then that it seemed that he was now loosening up and willing to fill in the gaps that we would have thought that he will be prepared to fill in earlier on and it is my submission that it is on that basis that there has been also this feeling amongst those that I represent that if for whatever reason he qualifies then he shall be granted amnesty.
	One could go on length in addressing the question whether or not he has satisfied the requirement insofar as a full disclosure but I would like again to be brought in the same trap of trying to down play what has been said by Mr Mtimkulu on behalf of the victims.  I will rather leave it at that for as long as it is taken note of course we are disappointed by some of the arrogant submissions that have been made on behalf of the applicant.  However, we wouldn't like to deal with them because it will just change the complexion of the attitude of those who are the victims.  Thank you.