PHILLIP MFULATWELWA MTSWENI
We drove towards Vaalbank, when we arrived in Vaalbank where she had fled to, we stopped.  Comrades and myself, we entered the house.  If I remember very well, I think it was a shack house.  They went at the back of this shack and the man, the owner of that house was told that we were there to fetch Emma.
	He could tell that the situation was tense.  I think he had a stick in his hand and the comrades went back a little bit.  I had stopped on the way of the gate, which goes to a neighbour.  Another lady came, a woman, came towards the gate and I could tell that this woman was in a hurry for something.
	I think we were two or three in that gate.  We disturbed her, because we didn't want her to go in there, because something might happen to her as well.  The comrades who were closer to that shack, kicked open the door, I think it was Victor if I remember well, and they took Emma, they put her into July's bakkie.  July reversed the car.  I didn't, I just drove straight and I turned on the next street.  The next street was closer to the Police station.  I turned towards the main road, we drove straight back.
	When we arrived in Pieterskraal, at the school, we were going to hold a meeting there.  People alighted from the bakkies, but it didn't take them five minutes to come back, because it was said that since we had realised that where we took this woman is closer to the Police station, it might happen that Police can follow us, and the suggestion was that we should proceed to the mountain.
	Indeed, we proceeded to the mountains.  We were using the two bakkies and some comrades were by foot.  When we arrived in the mountain, she was taken from the car and she was questioned.  It wasn't long before she uttered something, she said she wasn't the only one who was responsible for killing.  There was another man by the name of Nkabinde.  He was responsible for  the muti, because he is the one who gave her the muti to kill July's parents.
	We said "this is what we needed from her", we decided to take the bakkies back.  July and myself, we drove the two bakkies.  When we arrived at home, we found that Police vans were there.    The Police started questioning July, I was at a distance.  They said to July "where was the person who you had in this car", and July told them that he had left this person in the mountains.
	They didn't hit me, but they started assaulting July.  I was scared and I walked closer to the van because I wanted them to just put me behind the van, I didn't want them to assault me.  They put us in the van and they drove with us, because they wanted us to show them where we left the deceased.  They stopped on the road, they wanted July to come in front because they wanted him to be with them, so that he pointed exactly to the place where we had left the deceased.
	We proceeded.  As the Police van was approaching towards the mountain, we could see the flames, there was fire.  The Police stopped closer and they took July from the front and locked him together with us, at the back.  They got in the forest, in that mountain and they came back, they told us that the person we had, is the one who was on fire.  That is when they started assaulting us.
	That is how I participated in this whole thing.