MR BOOYENS
Exactly.  Now as far as we have already heard the whole story as to how this man was killed, I don't think it necessary to go into that again, but tell me Mr Coetzee, seeing that you've made the mistake already that you have told Nick van Rensburg you were going to explain to him about the killing of Peter Mbusi and the knock-out drops and so on, I can understand that you have made a mistake about Peter Mbusi, but when you and Nick discussed this killing, did you mention the possibility of knock-out drops to him?