CHAIRPERSON
The procedure was so far that Mr Mac Maharaj was interposed and he was a witness on behalf of the victims.  We have three witnesses left of the applicants, Mr Chairman.  These witnesses are all operators, to call them that, for want of a better expression, who followed orders of Mr Botha.  What we did, however, Mr Chairman, because you did not hear the evidence of Mr Botha who gave evidence about all the facts, we are going to lead Mr Wasserman slightly out of turn, Mr Chairman in order to give you some background and we will lead his evidence, not fully, but just to give you some background of the incident and we therefore call Mr Wasserman.  He is available and ready to take the oath.  He has no objection to taking the oath.  He will give his evidence in English, Mr Chairman.