MR HOCKEY
Now that conclusion, Mr Verster, just to put the record straight as well, is that
"The CCB as a result of the development in the country, engaged in activities which constituted (the Commission's says), a system pattern of abuse which entailed a deliberate planning on the part of the leadership of the CCB and the SADF.  The Commission finds these institutions and their members accountable for this aforesaid gross violations of human rights."
	Now you're saying that you agree with that, but you don't consider your acts as an abuse, is that right?