MR DU PLESSIS
All right.  Now Mr Ngo, I'm not - don't want you to give evidence now about the specific incidents, I'm just asking in general about the operations of the security branch because you were part of it and you must know about it.  What I want to know from you is, how did an instruction come about to petrol bomb a specific house?  Where did the instruction come, how was it formulated, how did that happen?