SATHYANDRANATH RAGUNANAN MAC MAHARAJ
I'm sorry, so it is.  Thank you.  Ninela, page 22, says that he was, paragraph 7 page 23 that he was with Neville and they were in the street when they spotted Charles and he goes on to recount the arrest.  From the amnesty application of Eugene de Kock and I have extracts of his, he says he was called upon, informed about the death of two Vula operatives and required to eliminate Goodwill Sekakane because he was threatening to tell about Vula, how these two colleagues had disappeared.  Indeed Goodwill Sekakane was an askari and he was executed and I believe his body has now been exhumed and identified and he was killed.  So, in my view, the evidence of de Kock and Ninela suggests that the detention, the arrest, was carried out by Ninela and Goodwill Sekakane and I do not understand why it's not been put open cards.