MR ZILWA
I suppose on that aspect of it to determine the motivation which is referred to here in the motivation of the applicant, I suppose the test there should be subjective.  The motivation, that will only apply to the motivation itself, the motivation of the applicants.  Now what really motivated because we have to use that motivation in trying to determine whether in fact the act qualifies as a political act.  Now if we accept that their motivation was that they were to kill whites because a white man had killed Chris Hani and they wanted to achieve the objective which they have referred to, in my submission it should be accepted that they in fact, their action, falls within the scope that is covered by this sub-section 3 and with that I would submit that the applicants have clearly shown that they have acted with political motivation and as I've already submitted, according to them, they acted in support or in keeping with the policies of their organisation and that being the case, I would submit that their actions falls within the scope or within the - yes the scope of the people who should be granted amnesty and as such in response to the second question posed i.e. whether their action is regarded as retaliatory for the Chris Hani's death, whether they've established that indeed they wanted to convey the message and in my submission, following their submissions and following the argument which I have used, it is in my submission clear that their retaliatory, their action was clearly intended to be a retaliation to the death of Chris Hani and they wanted to convey their message and indeed as I've submitted, as they themselves have stated, it's quite unfortunate that their choice of targets was so wrong, that it resulted in innocent people being killed.  But insofar as there motivation i.e. sending the message is concerned, it is my submission that I've clearly shown, that that is exactly what they intended and that being the case, their actions falls within the scope of the people who should be granted amnesty.  That would be my address with regard to the two questions.