FERDINAND BARNARD
I cannot see the problem with that.  The cut-off point was Joe Verster.    What Joe Verster and Lafras Luitingh had was a water-tight point.  I didn't know their identities.  My only point of contact with them was a pager which was hired under the name of David Klopper and I knew it wasn't David Klopper because here we had a man who introduced himself as Louis Eisselaar.  They had a very water-tight cut-off point with me.  No-one knew that Tiens Kruger told me that this was Joe Verster and that was Lafras Luitingh.  He did parachute jumping with Lafras Luitingh and he informed me.  According to them they had a water-tight cut-off point.