CHAIRPERSON
I accept the political realities of the time.  As I understand your submission that these two particular applicants had no understanding of the apartheid effects on this country and in so saying you say that it should be refused?  From that submission flows the questions, if that be the case and they didn't link it to apartheid, which means South Africa, and they directed it at the government illegitimate as it may be, of Venda, how competent are we to deal with the application or is the application a good application?  I raised the question because of your submission, I don't necessarily agree with the submission but if you are correct, we find your submissions correct, then of course the question I posed to you then follows?