MR WAGENER
Mr Chairman, I was a soldier myself.  An operation is planned and authorised in the final instance by the Chief of Operations and by the Army Commander and that the Chief of Intelligence merely plays a significant role in the receiving of, ...(indistinct) of and co-planning of the operation, but in the final instance, it is the Chief of Operations with the overall Army Chief.  If I may be allowed to give somewhat slight evidence in this regard, but that has been my experience over thirty years with the military.  Except if there are any further questions, that's my argument to you in this regard, so I specifically ask for Mr Joe Modise, the Army Commander, Mr Lambert Moloi the Chief of Operations, and Mr Ronnie Kasrils as the Chief of Intelligence at Military Headquarters where this campaign was planned and authorised as set out in the ANC's documentation, that they be subpoenaed and come and testify on this campaign and specifically on the orders, the mandate, the parameters.  I think it's highly relevant and that is our request, Chairman.