CHAIRPERSON
Mr Benzien, you see, I think Mr Kruse has some problems in expressing himself.  And I think that some points need to be cleared.
	This hanging a person in the way that you have told us, you have confirmed, as explained by my colleague Mr De Jager, surely that is meant to torture a person?  It is not being done for the purpose of nobly immobilising a person, preventing him from running away?