ADV STEENKAMP
That is correct Mr Chairman, Honourable Members.  We are dealing with the De Meillon and two others matter which is before you.  It's application number 4570, 5610 and 5611 of '96 and '97 respectively, that's as far as Section 94 is concerned, Mr Chairman.  My respectful submission is both the victims in this matter are represented and were duly informed and I must apologise and thank you for your indulgence, Mr Chairman, we're ready to start.  Thank you Sir.