VUSIMUSI ISRAEL MTULE
In the first place I must say I was half dressed having only the ...(inaudible) with me and we were commanded to come out.  The man whom I identified later as Mr Botha said, come out - put your hands in the air otherwise I shoot, otherwise I shoot, come out,  come out, come out.  Then we had to come out having our sort of arms hanging over like this, not like this otherwise he was not going to see them.
	You could firstly come out with your hands and then he could - he probably grabbed me so to say right up here and he brought me down just to the floor and I had to lie down.  When I laid down on the floor, just like this and ...(inaudible) had to put the firearm - it was a R5 that was brought before my head like this and he said Mr Mnjeni, watch out this one, if he moves just shoot.  The R5 was just on top of the head right straight throughout the whole process.