DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER
No, he was under my command and Verster did come to ask me that and he asked:  "Who's involved in this thing?"  I gave him the assurance we were not involved, there would be no authorisation, that procedures had not been followed, in fact until today nobody's told me or admitted to me that Ferdi Barnard was responsible for that.  The Court procedure, I didn't follow those on a day to day basis, the Court procedures against Mr Barnard, so that's all I can say.