MR KAHANOVITZ
Now you, I assume, have no independent information yourself as to what Mr Evans was involved in?  In other words, you're saying in so far as you say for instance in your application that Mr Evans was involved in bombings, if I have to ask you for details, all you're going to tell me is:  "Mr Verster told me that, I can't take it any further", is that what your answer will be?