MR VAN RENSBURG
I understand.  I would rather then leave that point for argument.  Thank you, Mr Chairman.  Let's turn to page three, paragraph 12, I think the third page of Annexure A.  I read it to you, paragraph 12
"The young congress has started to be formed in most of the villages.  We at Mahvunga formed ours which was known as the Mahvunga Youth Congress and a serious conscientisation programme was embarked upon with assistance from other political organisations."