WILLEM ALBERTUS NORTJE
Yes, maybe I should just explain.  During this operation it was said - I know somebody was shot there, but at some stage I had forgotten about it, I only know that the most important point was that the person who had got away.  I know that Mr de Kock was very dissatisfied because the person had got away and this was something which had remained me.  I had forgotten about the person who was shot there, not that I did not know, but I did not think about it afterwards because it remained with me that one person had got away.