CHAIRPERSON
Very well, we will do that because this potential witness is, I think we all agree, important not only in this case but to give a general picture of what the PAC and APLA policies were at the time.  He held a very responsible office and he could assist us and the applicants in many cases if he does come forward and give us an accurate picture of what the policy was and how it was applied.  So we will adjourn this matter to a date to be arranged.