MR LAX
But you can't even remember that you see, you just can't remember it, you don't know whether that's so.  And the trouble is you've already conceded that you broke your own rules all the time.  There are other instances in your testimony and in all this evidence, where people who shouldn't have been present were present, where people where you had explicit orders not to involve them, you involved them.  So how can we with any degree of certainty, rely on what you're saying?