MR MSHE
Under, "Nature and particulars."   Could you explain what you mean when you say,
"I was aware of his kidnapping"?
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---   I heard those news thereafter when we went to see him.  I knew, because Dirk Coetzee had explained to me that this person we had taken at night, and other people, and it did show that he had been taken forcefully, but it did also indicate that they didn't fulfil their mission adequately.  It is in that sense that I say I did know that he had been taken forcefully. 
Thank you, Mr Chairman, no further questions.
NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR MSHE