JOHANNES LODEWIKUS GRIEBENAUW
Yes, let me put it to you this way.  As I said in my evidence-in-chief, I received a call from Brigadier Schoon to attend the meeting.  I didn't know what the meeting would deal with.  I listened at the meeting, I listened to the chairperson and the instruction that the chairperson gave me, and I objected to the instruction that was given to me, and the chairperson informed me that I misunderstood him, it was indeed an instruction from the Commissioner of Police and it's not a question if I should but how I should.  Afterwards I said that I cannot take instructions from the Defence Force, I should get it from the Police.  He then said that the representative from the police is there, Brigadier Schoon.  I asked him and he confirmed it.