MR BANADE
Now to go to the political motive.  This part in section 20(1)(b).  In submission I think that should be the aspect where the Committee should have the least problem.  The whole context within which this murder took place indicates that it was within and in connection with a political motive.  Eight persons from the riot squad were in a certain vehicle, three of them white, five of them were IFP affiliates, not just IFP affiliates, but	confirmed IFP supporters, and the evidence here is overwhelming that and ANC supporter could not be a constable at the time.  They picked the man up and eventually his corpse was found in the bushes.
	The point I am trying to make is before one even goes into all the detail you find this.  What might bother the Committee is were there no other objectives, and that is how I could understand the questions.  But i submission the Act says that it had to be in association with a political motive.  It does not say that it should only be a political motive or that the context in which it should have taken place should have been 99% a political motive.  
	The Act leaves a loophole that there could be other objectives as well with the individual.  The little loopgate which we can look at is that there could be an association or a political objective.  And in the light of all probability I think it is quite clear to this Committee.
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124	MR BANADE
The people did not just say it in their submissions, but I think the entire context indicates such.  The murder was associated with a political objective.  I think if I could speak on behalf of Mr Madlala, I think it was much clearer in his case.  He was not a full policeman, he was a special constable, and from a very young age he was raised with being an Inkatha supporter.  Of course at that stage they still obtained information.  He heard about this man and his involvement in murdering IFP supporters.  So in my view he qualifies for amnesty in this regard.  
	The same with Mr Erasmus and Harrington;  their evidence to you was that at that stage they were not card-carrying members of the AWB or any other right-wing political party, but they had right-wing attitudes.  But these are young men and found themselves in a riot squad and they were indoctrinated along that line of thought and worked under violent circumstances.  
	It all indicates that they would have had this kind of attitude towards these people.  Here they apprehend a man, find a pocketbook in his possession.  Once again, after I read Judge Thirion's judgment last night, on page 814, where he refers to the pocketbook.  The pocketbook surfaced in that trial already.  They found a pocketbook.  Some of them understand Zulu.  Those who understand Zulu tell the others in the vehicle that this person has mentioned something about killing policemen and that he is anti-IFP and we also know that it took place approximately 14 days after the KwaShange bus incident.  With all due respect, I think this is ... (CHANGE OVER TO TAPE 3A) ... and at the very least  one of the objectives of this group was politically motivated. 
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125	MR BANADE
	In submission I think that it was probably 80% politically motivated.    But it is something which the Committee has to consider in the light of the facts.