MR VERSTER
We attempted before the Harms Commission and during the Harms Commission, to protect the documentation and the proof that we had.  So at the time when I could still go to my premises, we did that Mr Chairperson.  But for example, later this became a game in the media when the files were back, according to my knowledge at that stage, they were back in the office but it was still told to the media that the files were still missing.