DR TSOTSI
I understand that, but that's a separate matter for me.  That's another matter altogether as far as I'm concerned.  I understand your argument but the applicant has not shown that your clients were involved in the kidnapping or any other offence, that's what I understand your argument to be.  But I'm not happy about your references to mutiny itself or that.  Now if in fact the removal of Gqozo from power was an act of mutiny and the applicant here associated himself politically with that act, never mind whether or not he actually took part in the actual physical removal, if he associated himself with that act, would he not be, on the principal of common purpose, be in fact involved in that act himself?