MR LEBEA
What I'm trying to explain is this.  Themba Ncapai was known by me.  During the presentation of the crash course, he came to meet Donosi, but it was just one day.  Samuel Mokweti had also known him for one day.  King met him quite a few times, but it was through me, but the person who was well-known to Themba Ncapai, it was myself.