CHAIRPERSON
You see what Mr Thulo, let's be on the same wavelength, part of my duties is to clear up certain things with you, I can't just leave them and surmise about certain things.  Things which are not clear to me, I've got to ask you, and not only me, my Committee Members as well, because when we leave here and give a decision we must be absolutely sure that we are satisfied with your evidence.  Do you follow that?  So when you answer me, please forget to say "I said earlier".  Actually, when a person says that to me he gives me the impression that I'm not listening, okay?  So bear with me, I would keep on butting in, asking you questions, don't feel, because it is my duty to make that I get everything which is not clear for me personally.  Which is not clear, I will ask you questions, okay?  And it would be wrong for me to have something, a statement of this nature and not clear it up with you.  Okay?