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What I want to emphasise is that clearly my reference to people who do not want to assist the 
Commission, could not have included Mr Visser's clients for the pure and simple reason that it was 
knowledge at that time that all his clients applied for amnesty and that they are working together with the 
Committee and are part of this process. That is an important point that I want to place on record. 
	Furthermore, in respect of what was said "Die algemede houding van die veiligheids magte" it 
was simply a general reference, "a general attitude of the security forces", about the general attitude of 
members of the South African Defence Force for instance and I made that statement as a general statement. 
It obviously didn't include people who are willing to participate in the process and it obviously didn't 
include Mr Visser's clients.
	Mr Visser acts on behalf of 81 former South African Police members and, therefore, clearly he 
cannot speak for the whole South African Security Forces including the South African Defence Force or 
other policemen. We ourselves act for other policemen as well.
	And then lastly, I want to say, Mr Chairman, that we are very appreciative of the fact that Mr 
Visser has indicated that his clients intend to cooperate with the Commission and with us and we would 
appreciate it if it could be possible for us, and we would discuss that with Mr Visser, if it would be possible 
for us to perhaps have consultations with some of his clients who might be able to assist the applicants in 
providing the Commission with important and necessary information which his clients might have and 
might possess. Obviously, we do not want to drag the proceedings out and we will limit it to just the 
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