CHAIRPERSON
Precisely, now answer the question from that point of view, that they brought their own call it convenient conclusion from that perspective.  If it were to be argued to me or this Panel at the end of the day that yes, Hamlyn may not have been a card-carrying member, he may not have been a member of MK, but yes, he associated with a known admitted MK operative and therefore we at the time, even in a shoddy way, we thought that he was a legitimate target because of his association with an admitted MK operative.  How would you think this Panel has to deal with that?