ADV SANDI
Mr Gwentshe, can we work together, co-operating, because we have a serious time problem.  There are 14 witnesses to be heard.  Mr Gwentshe, can we focus on Alcott then.  I will ask you questions leading you in evidence.  You say Mzwandile Gwentshe was arrested and tortured in Cape Town and East London in 1963.  Is that so?