MICHAEL KGIBA MOFOKENG
At Mr Stanton's place I will just mention a few issues on that incident.  We arrived there, we held them hostage then Comrade ...(indistinct) addressed them.  There was a certain lady who was on the phone.  When we called them, he addressed them the same way as he did at Jacob's place by saying this is an APLA mission, if you survive you must tell the police that it's APLA.  Then he asked them as to whether they have guns then they said they are Christians, they don't hold guns in the place.