CARL CASTELING BOTHA
No I would not say that.  I think it came from my days in Brixton.  I was a new officer there.  They were all established members, the rest of them, Wouter Basson was the heart of the cell with regards to our connection with the rest of the organisation.  So I think they also incorporated them in the group and I don't think they saw me as being of any value, not that I feel sorry for myself, but I was the person who had to do the project to the best of my abilities and I think it came from the involvement in DCC.  At no stage I did anything that could justify my involvement in DCC.  The other members were transferred but I was not asked to transfer.