MR VISSER
Well, let us look at what you said in your affidavit, paragraph two.  You said that during the week of the 10th to the 14th of April 1997 you received a notification in terms of Section 19(4) of the TRC from the TRC in which you were notified that you are implied in the amnesty application of Mr Ngo - you see that at the top of the page, Mr Chairman - of Mr Ngo.  That was the truth.  Is that ... (intervention).