TESTIMONY_GIVER:
  I think the ones that I've counted, especially the two, Thandazile as well as Phindile, their problem is that - even though they don't speak to me is that they did not know what was happening to their parents.  They met me when they were coming towards home.  This happened whilst they were at school, and they were heading towards home for the holidays, and when they got to the taxis they were told that they should go back.  They were not told the truth about their parents.