ZAMA THUTHA
First of all it was difficult for me to know that because I was not in Umtata, I was not staying in Umtata, I was along the Wild Coast.
	I just came for the operation, I did not know about matters concerning the Umtata region.
	I was going to hear or get all the information from the man that I was going to work with.  I don't know anything really beyond that.