MS NHLAYISI
Mr Chairman, I would stick to my earlier submission that yes, we can.  With exception on this particular incident that we're talking about, the one where Mr Nswene was involved, I would say definitely yes.  With exception of course, depending on what were the circumstances prevailing.  With Mr Nswene's incident, this incident was not preplanned, it was something that just occurred and he had to react to it and then it was followed by him pursuing these people without having a chance maybe to investigate further whether this particular person was or was not a member of the IFP.  The order, I would say, it can be inferred that it covers even this particular incident because it was generally known that there were fights between IFP and ANC and in meetings it was adopted that if you meet an IFP member then you've got to deal with him in a certain way.  It is my submission that an order in this instance was inferred though at a later stage it was discovered that this particular person that he shot at was not an IFP member.