MR DE KLERK
I agree, Mr Chairman, I'm just purely stating the fact that he wanted a firearm because he was trained to protect, as he explained and also stated in his affidavit, not regarding this specific aspect but it seems that when he asked for the firearm, it was in the sense of now being trained as a, what he perceived, as a protector and as he stated
"Protecting the IFP members from the ANC"
- in paragraph 8 of his statement.  Mr Chairman, it seems that on this specific day something must have triggered the applicant to do this deed.  His explanation was that because of this provocation that happened in town, and that was also his evidence-in-chief, he lost it.  And because of that he then went and shot the people which he subjectively perceived that the people, that was the people swearing at him, being ANC members and so forth.  Maybe objectively I will concede to the fact that it is difficult to comprehend, but subjectively at that stage, and that is the evidence of the ...(no sound).
	Mr Chairman, the political objective, in my submission, will be the following.  I think it is common cause, the fact that there was tension and especially in the South Coast, between the IFP and the ANC. 
	I think it can also be accepted in a broad sense that there wasn't a, even if it wasn't a war in the sense that it was a war on paper and everybody accepted it, but there was in a big sense a war in the whole of KwaZulu Natal, and I'm sure that his has emanated from most of these applications.
	It seems to me that the subjective mind-set of the applicant at that stage was that as a member of the IFP, being in that situation where there was conflict and him being specifically targeted as a person being sworn at and maybe threatened in a way, that he could now pro-actively attack ANC people and thus, like he testified, protecting and his community.  And I think it emanates clearly also from what he testified, that there was also a part of that that was revenge, but it seems to me, out of his evidence, that it was clearly just revenge, it was a revenge couples with the reality of the situation where there was a conflict, him being perceived, or him perceiving the ANC as his enemy ...(intervention)