MR VISSER
Well, let me be of assistance Mr Chairman.  There's no evidence at all before you implicating this witness in that attack.
    Perhaps in the mean time, to be of assistance, -    - please stop me if I'm talking too much, Mr Chairman. you can refer to the application of Mr Motsamai at page 148, paragraph 12 and you will recall that Mr Ngo did not apply for amnesty with regard to any such incident.