CHAIRPERSON
Okay.
MR CARD?: I don't believe that I, that I abused them.  Then I want to say, Mr Chairman, that at a later stage I realized, through working with all the people involved, I realized that in fact that the apartheid system was an absolute disaster and if you remember that in the, it was in the '70's already, that I started preaching and people were calling me a communist and a fight.., at least anti, South African anti-Government and all the rest of it, I stuck to my guns.  That's the person you're dealing with, Mr Chairman.  You're dealing with a person who will tell you the truth and I've told you to-day what the truth is.  I'm not, I beg to differ with you, Mr Chairman, I don't see myself as the, I don't know what you called me,  a monster.  I was not the monster, Mr Chairman, I was doing a job at that stage and if I was asked to do a job to-day, I would still do it.  In fact, I wouldn't mind coming back to the police force.  We'd sort out a lot of problems, Mr Chairman.