EUGENE DE KOCK
I wouldn't be able to say how deep his involvement had been with that operation.  If he had mentioned that it was his operation, I would accept that he was in charge of it.  That would be my opinion.  And also the fact that he mentioned to me that the operation was not yet finished, that there were four AK47 guns and handgrenades and magazines which were secure, that would still reach Umtata.