JUDGE WILSON
Can I go back a little - I've managed to find what I was looking for in my notes and my note is that Mr Botha said - was asked, when was the decision of one for 10 taken and his reply was: "I can't tell you when or where, I was told of the decision when I saw the oath".  So he didn't hear it over the video, he was told of that decision by the people who indoctrinated - inducted him into the Orde Boerevolk.  Does that alter your argument?