CHAIRPERSON
I accept that.  I thought you know, they shot two by accident and they left those two, I presume, hoping to let them die and then they took the other three somewhere else and then there was argument whether they should be shot or stabbed and there is where the balance of the survivors of the shooting, were then stabbed and left for dead.  I just wanted to clear up in my mind, that the survivor that you have here as a witness, is he perhaps a survivor of the stabbing or the shooting, but you say he was a survivor of both?