FERDINAND BARNARD
No Sir I cannot say it was in April because I cannot recall it in that way.  My mind tells me that this incident took place somewhere in March, the Security Branch  and McQuillan, when it was I cannot say to you but I do not know if it was before or afterwards that I had the Webster contact with these people.  It could be that it was correctly - afterwards I put it in the same timeframe because the incident to which I connect this was McQuillan Security Branch in Sandton.  It was somewhere around in March and it was not in April.