JOE MAMASELA
Right, yes, I'm answering you directly now you're asking me directly.  I say it was not a formal gathering, it was just an informal social gathering, so if a person says something of insignificance to me I wouldn't say: "No, no, no, you are lying, you are telling the truth", no I didn't bother to monitor what was Dirk saying.
	He was talking, I was talking with ...[indistinct] this pony hair guy and I was talking with other people.  My attention was distracted by other people, I didn't hear everything that Dirk Coetzee said there.  
	I was surprised myself when I saw the document that he said a lot of hallbaloos there.