MR WESSELS
Not with regards to the Webster incident.  And they furthermore decided, this is now Mr Barnard, and I'm not saying you decided, but Mr Barnard decided that when he came to testify here that not only is it Joe Verster and Lafras Luitingh who have to be blamed for this, but that Slang van Zyl will also feel some pressure, because he's the one who put him away for 10 years.  Then the evidence was led concerning the so-called 4 kilograms of nails which was attached to the limpet mine which Slang then would have said took place, but then at a later stage he realised that you are also going to be incriminated by it and now you've got a very serious problem to get amnesty.  Then the evidence was given that: "No, I spoke to Calla about it and Calla then said this is not true, the instruction from Gen Webb was nobody had to be injured or was supposed to be injured."  And in that way Slang will be implicated and you, his friend, will get off.