DR TSOTSI
Mr Wagner you keep on repeating this question.  Wasn't it ANC policy to fight against those who were the props of apartheid, including policeman, and wasn't the son of your client an informed policeman?  I'm sure there are degrees of involvement of the police and the army in the struggle, some were who were not as deeply involved in the actual fighting (indistinct), but (indistinct).  I'm not saying there's any justification in killing the son, it's just because you keep on repeating this question as if there is no policy.  The policy of the ANC has been stated here as the policemen and they are legitimate targets.  So I just wanted to try and clarify how you get over that definition or are you saying that the definition itself is wrong, the police - the ANC should not have agreed to kill all policemen indiscriminately ... (end of tape)