MR VISSER
Yes Chairperson, not 1988.
	Mr Botha, you say on page 7 of your application, you refer to the 4th November 1998, it's on page 7 of the application.  What happened then?  Or maybe I should just finish off the last incident by saying that we know from the history that she, that's Ndwandwe, was eliminated there at the farm and she was buried there, you heard that later?