CHARLES ALEXANDER MATHER
Yes, Mr Hatting asked me on quite a few occasions to join him with business to strengthen our businesses.  It was around the time when Cashbuild came in.  Cashbuild as you all probably know, a large building material ... and both of us were suffering at that time because of the opposition and Mr Hatting approached me and that if we'd join we'd be a better opposing force.  I was not interested.