CHAIRPERSON
I don't - unless you feel otherwise, we don't think that his evidence will take the matter any further because I am sure it is a - there is no dispute about the fact that the deceased was a member of the Three Million gang but on other aspects, circumstances under which this particular happened he cannot be of assistance can he?  The incident, when these people met, how they met, what happened - Mr Bloem would not be able to know.  Are you listening to me through the interpretation Mr Mthembu?