RUBEN MAGANGA DEBOGO MAGUBANE
No, I have never attended a rally at Ulundi.  I know Ulundi.  I went to a rally in Ulundi when Mr Mandela wanted to meet Mr Buthelezi.  That is when that date was postponed and then he said to us we should go and meet there, not at Ulundi because there were allegations and rumours that he'll be killed.  That was the first time that I went to Ulundi.