MR JANSEN
Mr Chairman may I interrupt prior to re-
examination.  I know the issue was mooted this morning as to 
what the position of the other parties were here.  Mr Chairman 
representing Mr Coetzee, may I just place myself on record, I'm R 
Jansen, instructed by Mr Knight on behalf of Mr Coetzee.  Our 
position is still that we would like to cross-examine the 
applicants, most certainly if it is intended to call Mr Coetzee as a 
witness and we would like the Committee to make a ruling on 
that.  There are a couple of reasons Mr Chairman why I submit  
cross-examination should be allowed. Firstly the version of Mr 
Coetzee has never been tested in a scenario where any other 
person has admitted any involvement in the murder of Kondile and 
that in itself makes these hearings completely different to any of 
the other hearings that have taken place relating to this incident 
and I submit that there are various aspects on which Mr Coetzee's 
evidence at this stage, considering the new allegations or the new 
facts presented by these applicants can assist this committee to 
come to the truth.  I may just mention one fact for instance is the 
incrimination of a Mr Roy Otto, that's the first time that we hear 
of his involvement.  Now other than the fact that this person is 
deceased, Mr Chairman, the facts of the matter are that there is 
documentation available which suggested that Mr Otto was on 
leave at the time, in fact had been on leave for a month and a 
half, which gives credence to the suggestion that there is 
something sinister in the choice of a dead person to be the person 
shooting or committing the actual killing.  It's this type of thing 
which I submit has to be considered.