MR ZILWA
Mr Chairman, just in very brief reply.  	Hard as he may try my learned friend cannot wish away the facts.  The facts we have are that Chris Hani was assassinated and three days later the accused, I'm sorry, the applicants committed their offence.  Now they've stated clearly and completely the motivation that caused them to do so.  My learned friend is urging this Committee to reject those averments, I'm not sure of the basis on which he states that, I'm not sure of the alternative on which he says if
they're rejected then, in other words, if they are not telling the truth, then what is the truth?  In my submission, all that the accused have stated, sorry, the applicants, is completely in keeping with what is stated in Section 20, sub-sections 1 and 2 and the guidelines set out in Section 3 in my respectful submission, it is not an absolute necessity that all of them should be satisfied but I submit in any event that all of them have been satisfied.  To submit that the accused, that the applicants merely acted out of ill will or spite for members of the white group, now in my submission if that was so, there would be an explanation as why the accused left, I'm sorry the applicants left alive the white child that they found at the premises if it was just a wholesome general hatred of the white group and as such their actions were just out of ill will or spite.
	Another aspect which has been mentioned by my learned friend, he has hinted that Guleni has in fact not applied for amnesty in respect of the position of the unlicensed firearm.  Page 39 of the papers, the typed application of Guleni, says:
"Nature and Particulars:  In Weakley Brothers Case used a 9 mm shot pistol"
I would submit that reference to that shows that the possession by Guleni of such pistol is in fact inherently included in this whole application.