ADV DU PLESSIS
Yes, Mr Chairman, I would like to answer that.  Mr Chairman one must take 
the history of the applicants and their applications, under what circumstances they launched the 
applications and the general attitude of the Security Forces towards the proceedings before this Committee 
into account.
	Clearly it is very difficult for the applicants to even get to speak to certain people who were 
involved with the State Security Council.  As I have made clear in the application when I advanced 
reasons, we have tried to do so.
	We have had, however, difficulty in getting cooperation.  Not just in respect of this issue, but in 
respect of other issues.  There is, Mr Chairman, a general feeling it seems, especially amongst the superiors 
of the applicants, that this Commission should not be assisted.
In the light of that it makes the applicant's position very difficult because of the fact that if we cannot even 
arrange a consultation with a possible witness to determine what that witness could assist us with, if we 
cannot get
information pertaining to who served on the State Security Council and its various sections, it makes the 
applicant's 
PRETORIA HEARING	AMNESTY/