MR VAN ZYL
Let me answer it in the following way, Mr Chairperson, and that is that I up to the day, if I remember correctly it was the 13th of September 1989, that I'd received the powder from Nick at a hotel at the airport, at Jo'burg International Airport, up to that day I was still thinking that I would receive pills and it was only there that I had for the first time seen that they were giving me powder in a bottle.  So I do not know if Basson had known that there are pills or there is powder or there is no pills and powder, I can't answer that.  Only on that day I became aware of the fact that it is powder and not pills.