MS THABETHE
Madam Chair, there's a follow up question, yes I think it matters, because he had said earlier on that, he gave evidence that Mr Mkhwanazi also shot Ms Hapile Ndumo.  So now I want him to explain because it's like he's the only one who shot him.  I want him to explain how did he do it and what the others were doing while he was shooting her.