CHRISTOFFEL PIERRE VAN DER WESTHUIZEN
Chairperson, no.  Not as a Board, but one of the members of the Advisory Board that I had, that was Dr Tertius Delport, I had a personal friendship with him, and especially elements such as the normalisation parts of Katzen, I discussed with him.
	He was not part, such as my Staff Officers would have been, he was not part of Katzen.