CARL CASTELING BOTHA
Mr Bizos I can tell you what was told to me if Mr van Zyl had said these are the reasons, I will accept it.  I was not informed from the higher ranks what the reasons were I will go on the grounds of what Mr van Zyl said because I cannot stand in for what he said.  Mr van Zyl said this must happen and I act accordingly.  I drive with them, I activate the limpet mine and I assist him in the detonation thereof.  I concede that your summation could be correct, it would not be my place because I cannot say it.  That is why Mr van Zyl sat here so that you can ask him that question.  I cannot stand in for what was said to him.