EUGENE DE KOCK
That is not true, Chairperson.  I know specifically that he was paid for his reports, his transport costs were paid, we paid him a monthly salary, he was a Headquarters' source.  I was introduced to him by Gen Engelbrecht, so what he says, is not true.  I have no problem if Mr Mbotoli and I came to sit before you and if they attached us to a polygraph machine and then we will see who will give the machine melt down, but it would not be me.