MR WILLS
Mr Chairperson, I think that clearly, as regards the scope of this application, the only time one would be able to make a finding in regard to this particular witness as a victim, would be if you related, if you made a finding on the probabilities that the deceased person was in fact related to this person, I submit that the probabilities are for her in this instance.  I submit that it's just highly improbable that there would be an informer by the name of Martin van Rooyen who went looking for his informer at her house after the event, particularly in the light of Mr Visser's evidence, that he disposed of this person in circumstances where no other member of his Security Branch was informed and so he hid it from them.  So it's just too coincidental for me now that you've directly asked me this question, to sort of imagine that this van Rooyen would pitch up at this house at about this time, looking for this particular person.  Obviously this issue isn't finalised and I haven't applied my mind fully to the issue, because obviously it doesn't impact directly on my client.
	However, should you wish for argument on that, I submit I'd only be in a position to do that after the evidence of, I believe, Mr Meyer and when the evidence is finalised.