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Well to me it is immaterial but I'm not making a judgement now.  I don't think it is material for me whether he should have had a discussion.  I think the issue is whether a judge, let alone a judge who conducts a Commission of that nature and who then who comes with recommendations and findings, can do so at a time when the person about whom he makes adverse findings has not been given an opportunity to be heard.  I think to me, that's the bottom line.