TESTIMONY_GIVER:
  That is correct.  When I was still in Krugersdorp Dr Verwoerd introduced a discriminatory law that the black people should not have any businesses in urban areas.  Then I was told that I was supposed to go back to my place, and they told me that I should go back to Natal, Umlazi, where I could erect a cinema.  When I got to Umlazi, and I was supposed to start operating on the cinema, I was told that there could be a certain Mr Swanepoel who could be posed as a front, and I was going to work under Mr Swanepoel.  I had 15 years' experience as a cinema owner in Krugersdorp.  Then I ended up being under Mr Swanepoel, and at that time I was hated by the community because I was working under Mr Swanepoel.  At that time the Special Branch came and they wanted to help me.  They wanted to get me a house, and they were asking me as to where they could get me a house, but I totally refused to have dealings with them because I knew that they wanted to get where I was staying.  They came to me and they asked me as to why I hadn't gone to Mr Luthuli's funeral, and I told them that at that time I was working.  They had a certain apparatus, which is I think a tape recorder.  I think they wanted to record me whilst i was talking to them.  And when I was talking to them, and telling them as to why I was there they saw Gatsha Buthelezi's photo or portrait, as well as King Zwelithini.  It is not because I liked Gatsha Buthelezi, but I liked King Zwelithini.  That's why I kept the portrait.  King Zwelithini was wearing red, he was in red.  They said King Zwelithini was Gatsha's wife, that's why he was standing next to him, and I protested their comments.  And I asked them as to why they had the tape recorder.  Then I asked them to replay it and they said it is not functioning.  Apparently there is a certain person who was hiding across the road.  This apparatus that they had was merely a transmitter which sent the message through to the one who was on the other side of the street.  Now, at that time the community regarded me as a traitor.  There is also a certain organisation called  Gaffer's Fools Conglomerators(?).