MR VISSER
Just very briefly, you can imagine that we have problems of organisation here to keep all these witnesses here.  What we've decided to do in order to expedite matters, we intend to call the short witnesses first and get rid of the bulk of the bulk of the people and leave the material witnesses, as we would like to refer to them, on all the incidents later and that will only happen next week Mr Chairman.  I first of all call Mr Mbanjani.  It is spelt M-b-a-n-j-a-n-i.  He has filed an affidavit, it is in bundle B at page 26 and 27.