MR MBANDAZAYO
Yes, Mr Chairperson, I do get your point on this aspect.  That is why I'm saying, Mr Chairperson, inasmuch as we are applying for amnesty with regard to this incident but also it goes to the credibility of the applicants.  If for the sake of them wanting to be released by this Committee, they tell the Committee a lie because definitely if they say that when they have not - they have nothing to lose, they have been convicted, Mr Chairperson, why would they lie and say: "Look we didn't rob that firearm"?  They have nothing to lose.  Though they have been convicted but ...[intervention]
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