MATTHEW LECORDIER
At that time I recall he was still a reserve policeman.  And the other thing I'd like to add is, if Mr Klein had resigned from being a reserve policeman, I was not aware of that and the thing is the other reserve policemen who used to be in his click or his gang, they used to still come and visit him often and he used to still go out into Wentworth with them.  So I was not under the impression that he resigned from the reservists.