ABRAM VAN ZYL
No, I don't think this is what is said Mr Chairperson, because I mean, I also do not mean what Gen Webb will testify regarding these projects, but what I can tell you is that I accepted my Co-ordinator, and I can accept that my Regional Manager, as was the case with the Managing Director, that their knowledge regarding these project, that they would give their knowledge regarding these projects to the Commission and that they would testify on exactly the same basis  I am testifying on it.
	The reasons why Gen Webb will say that he does not know about it, I do not know.  I was not part of this process.