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Chairperson, the information which Adv De Jager has now placed on record, we only found out about that yesterday from Mr Black, that you are actually not in possession of the document.  In other words, the explanation would be that the statement or the submission was not made or submitted to the Amnesty Committee but to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.  My attorney has told me that these documents are indeed available at the Truth and Reconciliation Commission and he said that we should put it to you that he undertakes to arrange for the document to be made available to you and if the TRC can't do so, then we will make a plan to do it ourselves.  May I just consult with him for a moment?
	Chairperson, my attorney also informs me that he has a clean copy of that submission with him, if you want to have a look at it immediately.  As we said at the outset it is not our idea to actually deal with that background detail at the moment, but rather to leave it for a later stage. If it pleases you we can focus on that at a later stage.  At this stage it is important to firstly place the evidence before you, but the copy is available if you want to have a look at it.