MR DU PLESSIS
No Mr Chairman, I'm trying to point out that there are certain discrepancies in his evidence.  To be able to say that at the end of the day when he testifies that Bokaba was present at that incident, he cannot be believed in respect of that point.  Now, if there are contradictions in his evidence pertaining to this whole issue, it points simply to the credibility - his credibility also on the question, was Bokaba present?
	But I will leave it, I've made the point Mr Chairman, I won't go further than that.  I do not - I have no factual basis on which I can dispute that this incident took place, the only dispute I have with this witness is the fact that he says that Bokaba and Selahla were present, which is denied.
	And I want to put to you Mr Ngo, that both Mr - both Bokaba and Selahla in their affidavits and I don't think that I have to go back to the affidavits, deny that they were ever present with this incident.  I put that to you, what is your answer to that?