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Mr Chairperson I don't want you to find that he's a liar.  What I'm saying to you is that we've got essentially his version and some evidence which contra as some evidential material which stands to contradict what you said, and now I'm asking you if you are accepting his evidence now as being correct or are you going to accept the record as being correct and if you haven't made up your mind about that at this stage then I would have to call Patrick Maluisani to come and say that what he said in court was incorrect and it is correct that I stabbed the child.