MR JACOBS
I think I will round up and basically say it was - this is probably the first time after the court appearance that I explained what had happened to me.  Benzien hasn't come up for me in my mind and the Commission is probably the legal experts and can give legal arguments, for me he hasn't come up with the whole picture, because there were other people there, he is insisting that it is not.   There were other people there, I explained that.  And he is not explaining how they operated, how they worked and the detail of - he explained he tortured me, he added electric shocks, that came after a lot of pressure for him to talk about it.
	I am very unhappy with what he has been coming out with.  I would end up with that.  I would later, if the Commission would allow me, make a submission in far more detail and explain what I consider to have happened at that time.  Thank you.
NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR JACOBS