JUDGE WILSON
: Who is he that both of you are referring to? You said "he" and you said "he", who are you talking about, the accuser May or are you talking about Sgt. van der Watt?
INSP. DE LA REY: Mr Chairperson, I am referring to Sgt. van der Watt as being the person who handed the articles over to me and this is also the person who told me where he found the articles at Sgt. van der Watt.
ADV. MTHEMBU: Because Mr May says that the leather jacket referred to in 14.1 was the leather jacket you made him to remove when you arrested him and further that the items mentioned in paragraph 14.2, 14.3 and 14.4 that all these articles were also found in the vehicle.
INSP. DE LA REY: Mr Chairperson, that is not correct, the leather jacket, Sgt. van der Watt handed it to me, also the other items, the hankie and the firearm. At no stage were these articles found in the vehicle.