MARY BURTON
Thank you Chairperson.  Just to go back then to that meeting and we've heard the request was put to the meeting for weapons to be supplied and that the answer was that no weapons could be supplied by the Police, but we have been told that Brigadier Strydom suggested that perhaps there were other mechanisms through which weapons could be obtained privately.  And I wonder whether you can tell us of any specific way or any specific structure through which the people who were referred to as Witdoeke could obtain weapons?