JUDGE WILSON
Can I have a difficulty I have to you in this regard which I would like to hear you on.  We are told by the applicants that they now felt that war had broken out, that they were fighting against the government and to avoid takeover by the ANC, the SACP and others.
	This was - they had now joined the war.  All of us who had lived in this country, know what happened during that war, we know about bombs in shopping centres, we know - we have been told by Mr Prinsloo about many instances where innocent people were killed.  If one has to have regard to proportionality, does one say that when these people do it, it is disproportionate, although the other people have been doing it for years?