CHAIRPERSON
Because of Mr Barnard's status in the CCB, whereas if you take a look at the evidence that has been read out now by Mr Kahanovitz on these two pages, that is not the same picture.
	Here Mr Barnard is still part of the CCB, he has just been put on ice a bit, he is on a list because he is going to be used overseas, it is not the same picture.  This is what Mr Kahanovitz is asking you, what is the situation?  How do you marry what you said at the court, to what you have said now here?