BHEKISISA ALEX KHUMALO
I will start by saying that there was early in 1998, in January, when we were going to Matikulu just before we went to Koeberg, there was a meeting whereby Madlanduna was present and there were also group commanders of Caprivi.
	A decision was taken there that because the war is big now and the ...[indistinct] army or war, we wouldn't be able to be told or to be contacted all the time by our commanders.  In that way, because we are trained, wherever you are you must assess the situation and do accordingly or use your own discretion.  Maybe because there is no contract at times because the war or the army is too severe and you can't just leave at that particular point in time and just leave because your commander is not there.  
	You can't actually leave the war in the middle of the war and just do likewise, being present.  And there are other meetings, although they were not big meetings, whereby Madlanduna was not available to tell.  At times we would phone him and tell him that we are actually ...[indistinct] there and he would just say: "Use your own discretion".  Those are the times that I'm referring to whereby these things happened.