MR NDIMA
So I said ask this man whether there isn't anyone who has been found with unlawful guns, they said yes, there is someone who has been arrested.
 I asked for these old guns, they said no it was new guns.  So I said this man who was arrested, he doesn't go to the gunshop, he doesn't go to the gunshop, but he must have gotten it from you.
 This man is Black, he doesn't go to the gunsmith, to the gunshop, you must have given him, you are the ones who are setting us one against the other.
 And so they said, that's what I said, I am taking over your duties now, because you have failed to perform it.  Now I am going to take it over.  I am requesting you because you can go into the gunshop, give me guns so he said to this White man from Pretoria, yes, because we also need to have guns so we can shoot when we are being shot at.
 You see what I am trying to explain here, what I was trying to hide here is that we also had guns which we were hiding underground, but I was trying to ...