MR VISSER
No, no, Mr Chairman, I believe with respect, that I have been misunderstood.  I specifically referred to the provisions of the Act, and that is Section 30 if I remember correctly, it is quite clear they have a right to be here, they have a right to be informed and they have a right to say what they want to say.  I am not arguing about that.
	But what is happening here today seems to me to be something different.  It is going beyond merely coming to tell you that I am a victim and this is the way in which I became a victim and these are the people who attacked me and that is how I became a victim.
	It seems to me Mr Chairman, that we are dealing here literally with a civil claim, so it seems.