CARL CASTELING BOTHA
I appreciate it, Mr Lax, I'm just not used to it, so I would prefer to continue without it for a while.
	Mr Bizos, if my memory serves me correctly, I believe that Mr van Zyl, or at least I was in detention and just a few days before my release, Mr van Zyl was arrested.  As far as I can recall, I don't believe that they told me that he had been arrested.  I cannot recall that.