CHAIRPERSON
Yes, well, Mr Richard isn't obliged to indicate exactly what is admitted and what is not.  As I said, it is not as if we are in some litigation in a court here, where all the matters have been put in issue that every single one has to be proved.  I mean the fact that - if you say that you are a South African citizen, we I can assure you as a Panel, don't expect you to now go and call somebody from the Department of Home Affairs and prove your birth certificate and that sort of stuff.  We will just listen to the evidence and make findings on that.