MR PANDAY
Madam Chair, it is my submission that whilst we see Mr Ntshetha as a Commander, we must not look at him being in a position of that as an autocratic Commander in that he just merely dictates.  It may appear to be, one would not want to create the impression that there was never a decision that would have been taken, as much as we have people in position nowadays, be it the President, be it the Minister of Defence, or Safety and Security, whatever decision that that Minister finally takes, will be a decision that has been reached by, or reached after consideration.  Now the decisions that were taken when Mr Lucky Ntshetha ordered them to bring back the victim, as much as there was collective decision making taking place in so far as the releasing, he, after consideration, either ratified or disagreed with that decision, so as much as one has to follow orders, we must not look at the position of Mr Moses Dlamini, that he was part of a collective active decision making, at the end of the day when a decision was reached, be it collectively with the Commander, or by the Commander independently, at the end of the day he followed that decision to protect the group they were setting out to protect.