DONALD SPENCER GOLD
Yes, I think people did speak to him and it would have been, Apt van Zyl would have said one or two things to him.  I might have said one or two things to him, although I wouldn't have had any business to say anything to him, but I might have.  I might have heard -I don't know who spoke to him.  But it's possible I spoke to him, it's possible Apt van Zyl spoke to him.