MS ANDERSON
Okay, it wasn't, by the way, just the ANC community, it was also Botswana people who were living in Gaberone, it was expatriates who were involved in art and interested in art, as Ms Baleka testified earlier, MEDU, the cultural organisation, was the organisation that embraced us all.  There were ANC members within that.  Botswana, Gaberone ...(indistinct) the raid, were probably the most culturally active and exciting place to be in South Africa.  We had Hugh Masekela playing one night at a club, we Jonas Gwango one night in a club.  We had brilliant artists like Thami Mnyele whose art we had access to.  We had Wally Serotse, one of Africa's most famous writers wandering amongst us, Willy Gosetsili, another famous writer.  We had access to culture that we had never, nobody had ever had access to that sort of culture before and we were all involved and all producing and all writing, it was the most creative time of everybody's lives.  People like Mike Hamlyn and Uriel who, although as Ms Baleka says, they were ANC members, they were actually on the periphery of the ANC community and working within MEDU.  What happened as a result of that raid is that community was shattered, entirely shattered, creativity was shattered for ages and ages.  Many of the women who were there, we had babies afterwards, we produced, we went on in other countries and carried on with our lives and made babies because we didn't want to just die, but creativity did die for a long time and the raid forced people to become more militant, so you had a situation where people who had been involved in creative activities, artistic activities, decided the regime is so irrational that it can attack artists, poets, writers, it is so irrational, let us take up arms, so although I had taken up arms previously, others had not and they did subsequently.