BERTWELL BHEKI NDLOVU
Mr De Klerk made an example about me that it will be difficult for us to implicate leaders because we have light sentences - 15 to 20 years.  He showed us a membership card, he's also an IFP member who was willing to help us, but he didn't want us to put Inkatha in a bad light.  Therefore I think he's one of the people who played a role in this regard.