FERDINAND BARNARD
Chairperson, that is not what I understood, that that is what you wanted.  It was found through legal post mortem inquests that it was punishable manslaughter, certain scenes we manipulated, we took the weapons away, although we were shooting first, we planted weapons, we manipulated the system, we took the right officer to the scene, so that the scene can be dealt with in the right way from the beginning.  It was not a planned murder but we were guilty that afterwards we manipulated the events to suit us.