MR BLACK
That's, I was about to correct myself. Thank you, Mr De Jager.  If in fact you said you could see that as the Commissioner correctly points out, then that wouldn't be correct that - I am just putting the general terms. I am not, I am saying that my information is that he was - Van den Berg told Mr Van Zyl, you told him, that you didn't point out which koppie you were sitting on, but that you were just keeping observation and that you - and then the events are related as to, in accordance with the evidence we have already heard. So I understand your answer to be you couldn't have said that to him, because you were not in a position to observe what had happened.