MR CLAASSEN
Madame Chair it is indeed my submission that there are definite uncertainties as to the vive voce evidence surrounding the alleged killing of his grandfather.  It is so that the applicant stated before the Committee that he was indeed killed by the deceased which was later then killed by the applicant.
	Madame Chair, it's my submission that there's no - there was mention of or the question was put to him whether his grandfather did not in fact die of a natural illness which he categorically denied ...[intervention]