MR HATTINGH
That is correct, and that person is Mr Javu Mkhwanazi.   As it pleases the Committee.   That would be applicant No 4.   Thank you.   You were introduced to Mr J J Mabena, you became involved with the actions of MK in this area, and you received your instructions from Mr Javu Mkhwanazi to kill people and commit certain deeds, is that correct?