FERDINAND BARNARD
Sir, with regard to employment benefits, salary, medical benefits, policies, annuities, in that fashion yes, but with the exception of my handling after I was incorporated into the organisation, they dealt with me differently, I didn't for example undergo the courses that they had, it wasn't necessary, the CCB knew what they wanted with me.  But with regard to my recruitment by Mr Joe Verster, I cannot understand that people are still trying to prove that I was an unconscious member, because wouldn't that have been the mother of all security breaches if Joe Verster had recruited me in contravention of all the rules and regulations?  I enjoyed all the salary benefits and everything else, we discussed this with each other.  Calla Botha and I saw each other on a daily basis, we discussed these matters.  I saw that the was driving a car, I saw that he had a pager and I had all these things as well.  We shared the same benefits.  That is how it worked, precisely the same as all the other members.