FERDINAND BARNARD
Yes, there were many of those who were prominent, some of the best persons from Eugene de Kock, I bought over from him.  When I say that, I don't say that Mr de Kock received money for it, DCC had the system whereby one would feed in the person's particulars and access into the system and a value estimation would be made of this person's access, a test run would be conducted to see what kind of information the person could provide, and then it would be decided that X amount would be allocated with which he or she could be bought.
	That recruitment bonus would then be a bonus which would be used to motivate this man in the first place, to prove to him that he would be looked after.    I received an MK Commander in this fashion, as well as someone who was highly prominent in the counter-intelligence unit of the ANC.  Two such persons were brought to me and then there were also others who were recruited by me or who came to me via de Kock.
	This specific Commander became successful overnight, because he had access to all the important decision making cells, where MK would meet.  He was involved in all such meetings and structures.   He kept us one step ahead, so to speak.
	The intelligence that he provided to me, was of inestimable value and I could see immediately that this was intelligence on a completely different level.  If a new structure were to be established today in a certain area, I cannot say which area, because that would identify him, but if a new structure was established on a certain day, I would know about it on the same day, and I would know about all the changes taking place in all the structures.  It was of inestimable value.
	It fortified our system.