MR VAN ZYL
Chairperson, it's exactly as I testified now.  Peaches told me that he had access to the house and because of this we discussed the issue of how we can execute the project.  I do not deny that it could have been Peaches' proposal and that I actively participated.  I also do not deny that it could have been my proposal and I participated.  The fact remains that Peaches and I discussed it, and if you want to interpret it as that I lied in court, that is not so.  I cannot recall exactly.  It makes sense, I knew that the organisation had the capability of manufacturing tablets which would assist us in this regard.  And I do concede that Peaches in all probability, would not have known about this.  I do not want to blame Peaches and I do not want to claim to be innocent, it was a joint endeavour of ours to try and execute the plan.