MR J VAN ZYL
Mr Chair, this is round about 11, just after 11 in the evening we intercepted them.  And then we went back to the bushy area and we must have been there about 1200 or 1230 in the morning.  The burning of the vehicle would have taken longer than 20 minutes, that should have been, must have been just after 1, I wasn't watching the time.