MR MAPOMA
Chairperson, we have notified about in fact more than 150 victims to come and appear to listen to the application.  A large number of them are here, I have not taken the roll call but quite contingently responded likewise and we have got legal representation to represent them on the instructions of the Amnesty Committee.  We have as well representation for the African National Congress, from Mr Koopedi who has flown from Johannesburg to come to this hearing today.  We have Mr du Plessis for the other applicant to come to proceed with the matter today.  He is on instructions from the Department of Defence as well.  Whether the matter proceeds or not today, at the end of the day the taxpayer will pay for him.