WILLEM JOHANNES VAN DER MERWE
In the first place he would have been driving another vehicle to convey these three people.  When it changed to six people the question was, what then? Then we discussed the matter again and I can't remember whether I asked him.  I wouldn't have given him an order because it was a very risky job, anything could have gone wrong, but I'm absolutely convinced that I asked him, "Sehlwana you must tell me, if you are not prepared to do this, if you're not prepared to act as driver or you're not quite clear as to how to jump out and escape the shooting that could possibly follow, you must please just tell me".  And he said no, he was quite prepared to do it. He brought the whole operation to that point and I think he was prepared to follow it through. There was no order given to him that he had to do that.