ADV MOTATA
I said before you proceed on that point, I'm particularly worried that when we look at the Claremont incidents, and we look a Jamile for instance, that we would say was it not in trying to eliminate business opposition, because whatever acts they carried out he would reward them with couple of hundreds of rands.  Every time for every incident.  And if we are, I understand the evidence in its totality, it was that no, we were making the presence of the IFP felt, but every time they would get a reward from Jamile in these particular incidents in Claremont.