H J P BOTHA
No, both the nights of the 7th and the 8th.  I and Sam du Preez went to two of these safe-houses and we seized a number of documents and we removed it and in the process we committed housebreaking with the intent to steal and theft and from these documents and the computer printouts which we seized a certain picture became clear of a large scheme, of a larger scheme and what Operation Vula was all about.
	The repercussions of the planned people's war whilst political negotiations were in full swing and the gravity of the consequences of that and the consequences of that for South African Government and the whole negotiating process then became clear to me and the name Vula then for the first time also became the focus of my attention.
	As a result of my new insight relating to the information, I reported to Gen Steyn and made an appointment, he made an appointment to meet the head of the Security Division, Gen Basie Smit in Pretoria on the 10th of July, in order to inform him of what was going on.  I went to Pretoria with Gen Steyn on the 10th of July 1990.  Gen Smit then spoke to us in the presence of Maj Gen Bob Beukes, Alfred Oosthuizen, who was then a colonel, Andre Pruis, then a brigadier and Jimmy Taylor, then a colonel and Paul Abrie, then a brigadier.  After the necessary information had been given to these persons, Gen Smit said that he wanted us to convey this information personally to Gen van der Merwe, who was then the Commissioner of the South African Police and that we should do so the next morning.
	On Tuesday the 11th of July Gen Steyn and I had an information session with Col van der Merwe.