CHAIRPERSON
Sorry, Mr Visser, I think he is speaking of the fear, not so much the shock but the fear. I think that is the word he would have used if he were to speak in English.  He would have said, spoken about the fear rather than the shock.  I just want to ask you, did you not tell Koos van den Berg that you were concerned that you might be arrested or you are afraid that you might be arrested?  Did you not tell him that?