MR RAMAWELE
Yes, Mr Chairman, that is precisely my argument, that it was, according to Mr de Kock, this was a purely investigative matter, where they had to go and investigate the killing of two or three police officers.  Now it was the whole contingent which went to go and investigate, but according to his own testimony the same time also, they had no such skills to investigate you know ordinary murders, because that was an ordinary murder of police officers, they just happened to be Security Police officers and in the evidence that has been led today, there is absolutely no shred of evidence which shows that the killing of those two or three police officers was pursued in Durban.  There is absolutely no evidence that indicates that anybody tried to find out who the killers were.  Radebe talks about Municipal police and a Municipal Police officer and a police officer, but there is no evidence that anybody tried to investigate any murder in Durban.  There is absolutely no evidence.  The only evidence before you Mr Chairman is that they went to Durban, they went to Chesterville, they shot at people and that they went back.  What happened, what they did, except that, is very vague, Mr de Kock is very vague.   He cannot remember what they did, whatever, that is the only evidence which is very clear as to that they went to Durban, Chesterville and shot at the activists and then came back.  That is the only evidence which is very, very clear.