MS THABETHA
It is the case but in my opinion I don't know, I think there are two issues. It's the killing of Mr Fourie which appears to have been political and the extent of the items which were stolen, whether that wasn't for their personal gain. I think those are the questions.  I wouldn't like to proceed with my arguments on these factors, I was just outlining as a summary what this matter is about.
	Can I proceed Mr Chair?