NORMAN ARENDSE
Mr Chairman, yes just on the racial aspect.  I want to advance three reasons why it should not be held, certainly not against the applicants, that they - or found rather that they had committed a purely racist act.
	Firstly, the applicants, on the uncontested evidence were foot soldiers carrying out orders, that is not disputed.  They were not part of the APLA hierarchy or high command which it is well established made the policy decisions and decided on matters of strategy.  For the same reason that Brian Mitchell or Coetzee or any other ex-South African defence force soldier wasn't part of the inner ...[indistinct] of Botha's cabinet making decisions to pursue cross-border raids etc.
	Secondly, the struggle for liberation in this country inevitably had to have a racial dimension and the reason for that is quite simple and very glaring and we don't need evidence for that because the applicants lived through it.  
	Black people in this country lived through it who were born here.  They were governed by whites, they were controlled by white, they were suppressed by whites and the overwhelming majority of the white electorate voted in the same government repeatedly by in fact increased majorities as we moved towards the April 1994 election.
	So that was an inevitable part of the history of this country.  Now it's very important that our parliament a democratic elected parliament recognised this by making the cut-off date the 10th of May 1997.  It recognised, the law makers recognised that we were engaged in a racial struggle up to that point.  And the 14th of February falls within that cutt-off date.
	Then just thirdly, again on a parity of - because this is what this Committee must do, this is what the Commission as a whole must do is to be even-handed and to treat people in the same fashion.  The apartheid government targeted overwhelmingly black people.  Coetzee was told to get rid of Griffiths Xenge and he did so very effectively.
	Griffiths Xenge was a well-known human rights activist but he was a black civilian.  Brian Mitchell committed the trust feeds matter where he killed innocent black young men, woman and children, he slaughtered them.  Those were civilians and both of them got amnesty.