ADV DE JAGER
Could I perhaps intervene here.  I think what the Advocate wants to find out from you is this, supposing that there is something which Mr Benzien has blocked out, in other words that he doesn't remember that, can he then come here and state positively that something did not happen because it was totally blocked out or would his answer be I don't know whether it happened?   In other words can he positively state that a thing which he had blocked never actually happened?