MR MALAN
Just before you proceed, Mr Panday please.  Mr Dlamini, you were asked by Mr de Jager when he referred you to the affidavit by Lucky and you said when you were asked whether he told you his particulars, you answer was:  "He did not give us his details."  Now what details did he give you?  Let's get this clear so we know where we stand.  Did he tell you anything about himself?