CHAIRPERSON
You see Mr Steyn in a war there are at least two sides, the one attack, the one protect, defend.  It does not necessarily mean that when you are called up to make war that you will attack.  Now what Mr Kriel is referring to is that during that evidence that we have heard it was said: "We were called up to Ventersdorp to protect the borders of the planned Volkstaat as well as the Boerevolk who were attacked at the farm", do you understand?