ADV MOTATA
If perceptions that obtained even from hearsay the previous day and we have regard to the history of Bophuthatswana, that during 1988 there was this attempted coup and we look at the progressive history of our country today that for instance, negotiations were in process and concluded even then that the following month there would be elections, and then we have this person who says I have a country and this person says, I am not going to be part of that, is it within him or the people who should decide where to go, and we say then again, we look at the people brought in by him to defend that kind of situation.
	Let's be honest to ourselves and say let's examine the utterances of the AWB in respect of that process.  They were unpalatable, that is my perception, but I want to hear you from that.
	And we say these people now, as they came into Bophuthatswana, at the invitation of Mangope, which State were they representing or were they just people who were hired or soldiers who are hired to come and assist a man who says no, because if you look at the Republic, it is not part of it.  They say no, no, we want the process to go forward and obviously the former State President, Mr De Klerk, got a flatting for this.
	But we now say we are here, elections are taking place the following month and there are these people belonging where, to come and say we are an Army, we would assist you Mr Mangope.
	If we look at that, could we say now focusing that to the hearsay, the talk that went on in Mmabatho that the AWB are here and they want to take over, that is the evidence we have and the applicant says at first I was confined to the TTA, I heard shooting going on, I went out with my colleagues whilst having lunch, and a shot was aimed at me as well.  They are really the people who say we want a better dispensation in South Africa, cohorting him to say you people, assist us.
	And he says, oh well, I am here for the nation.  He goes out, there is shooting, we come to your argument if I listen to it correctly that we would probably go into the realm of speculation which I don't want us to do, but for 20 minutes in respect of one incident which we know before us, there is no longer shooting and we say if that happens, the war situation that prevailed, has stopped.  It is something that would go on normally.
	Are we realistic about it?