MR JACOBS
Thank you Your Excellency.  My verbal submission does not run very far away from my colleagues.  It is exactly what he has said, you know there was a high strong point of departure between the then Ciskei government and the ANC.
 Now you of course I suppose because of manipulation in the dark because Ciskei was between the ANC and the RSA and the RSA was a domineering power which you have if you serve it you tow the line here and there otherwise they hold the purse.  
 Now many delegations came up to the then government, eminent ministers of religion, a Doctor Geldenhuys who was a peace monitoring officer and many others trying to persuade the government to allow the marchers to come up as far as Bisho.  But the government was adamant because the government then feared that should they come to Bisho, what we think is that they may usurp everything as the placards were saying that.  That was the fear now from this side of the government.
 Now on the day of this, unfortunately I was with him in Pretoria.  I cannot describe it very graphically the 7th September.  On that day we attended a meeting on federalism but from what we heard, when the marchers went into the stadium, when a group of them went through a hole in the fence of the stadium and rushed towards the area where the soldiers had some kind of a road-block for themselves, then it is then that the shooting took place but we couldn't get the answer who gave the direction or the instruction to do this  [indistinct].
 Then after that day then there was a commotion, a high tension in the area.  People's houses were burnt down, some of the security forces were removed from their houses to be housed at Mount Cook.  That's my verbal contribution Your Excellency.