MR LEWIN
At this stage I'd like as I mentioned earlier, we do have with us, I'm not quite sure what one calls him now.  Director, Director Steve Ngwenya who has very kindly said that he will come and give us an account.  He was a lawyer himself in Ermelo, practising.  He represented the Wesselton Action Committee at one stage.  He had bombs thrown into his office, two petrol bombs and he is now the Director of Land Government and Housing for Mpumulanga.  We're very grateful that he has come.  We're very grateful that he will give us some of the background to the questions that we have asked.  This will not be a sworn statement but  it's more by way of explaining for us, for the media what the background is to these stories that we are hearing.  Mr Ngwenya, could you come forward.  As I say, we won't swear you in because this will not be a statement in the normal sense but it will be explanatory.  If you would like, we can give you a briefer to sit by you but I don't think that we  - but we'd like to thank you very much for coming.  If you could press the red button .