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Thank you.  Mr Chairperson, I submit that both applicants have satisfied the requirements of the act in that their application complies with the requirements of the Act and the act or the offence was an act associated with a political objective committed in the course of conflicts of the past and that they have made a full disclosure.
	Mr Chairperson, Honourable Members, I'm going to deal briefly with full disclosure first of all and then a little more thoroughly with the aspect of political motivation.  I think it's material in this matter, Chairperson, that the applicants have come before this Committee with nothing to gain insofar as they haven't been apprehended, they haven't been sentenced, in fact nobody would have known about this offence or who committed the offence had the applicants not come before this Committee.  Unlike a lot of other applicants who are in jail and are seeking release these applicants came, they said what they did and they sought amnesty on that basis and I submit that it goes a long way to indicating that to the best of their recollection they have told the truth.  There would be no point in them coming before this Committee and lying in those circumstances.  In fact it would be a futile exercise.  I realise and I've been through the record that there are a couple of instances where the Chairperson and the Honourable Member, Mr de Jager, questioned the applicants on the level of credibility and veracity but I submit that on both those occasions the discrepancies are minor, the one was relating to the aspect of whether the deceased saw the accused or recognised the applicants prior to his demise, there was a slight contradiction between what the applicants said in their evidence in chief and what they said under cross-examination and the other issue concerned whether or not the deceased was searched for the firearm afterwards.  I submit those are really non-material and small matters.  The main matters are material things, is that the applicants came, they said they decided to kill the person, they searched for him, they found an opportunity and they killed the person and they came and told the Committee to the best of their ability how this occurred.