CHAIRPERSON
Yes, I think Mr Richard just made mention of a point in limine, he didn't really raise it in limine and deal with it as such, but I agree with what you have said.  I think what Mr Richard was getting at when he mentioned it, not in limine rather, but towards the end of his argument was that in the context that when he made the submission that there was no factual basis upon which, which he knows being made by the applicant to justify the contention that the evidence, the document should be excluded.  But it was as you correctly mentioned, raised and put on record that you will be objecting and secondly I think when all the legal representatives met on Thursday, as you said, it was deemed prudent to use this day which would have been a wasted day otherwise, for purposes of this argument.