PIETER JOHANN VERSTER
That is correct.  That is correct, I am saying that that is what we would have liked to do if we go back to the definition that I gave you.  Clandestine definition means that you would be acting in such a manner where the State is prepared to accept responsibility.  We were a covert structure where the definition would be that the State is not prepared to accept responsibility and this would mean that if a member was to act in a covert situation and he was trained according to what we have just said then there would be a greater risk involved.  In such a case then it was the case that Region 6 was used and a whole new approach was used because we could not do it like we wanted to do it and the reason why in the heat of the battle and in the emergency situation in the country at that time, why we used the police is because they had the access because they worked on ground level because they knew the internal law and actions better than we knew it so they were specialists on their area but they were initially, these things happened when they had just started to work with us so they in time would also improve their qualification and their training.