CHAIRPERSON
There is, look we don't know exactly what happened but the probabilities are exactly, I agree with you exactly what you say.  If one takes a look at Mr Xaba's application, this is a similar sort of thing, where he's filled in an application form, and then he's put in a little affidavit explaining why he's put in a second one.  But if you look at Mr Xaba's first application form, it's not a sort of complete denial as the other, which probably is reason for the fact that there wasn't a decision made there, because there's no ways that a proper decision can be made in chambers, which involved a gross human rights violation, such as the killing of a person.  So one would imagine that the second one where Mr Mbatha says, "...I shot the man", would have been dealt with in chambers.