CHAIRPERSON
I think that you must complete because as I understand, the real kernel of your question was whether he was there and saw the firing at the parapet or not.  You see he says when he arrived at the parapet, or before he arrived there, he had been told by Kruser that there's likelihood of an attack by the IFP, he had seen a crowd that was tense downstairs that day, he had heard gunfire without saying that he had heard Moolman or anybody else firing, he heard gunfire and when he comes there he sees Moolman and whether a conversation between him and Moolman took place or not, there is a difference.  Moolman doesn't recall this, he does recall it.  What is the essential difference apart from that.  It is common cause that he took the gun from Moolman, there's no dispute about that, is there?