MR LAX
This scenario certainly, the present scenario wouldn't fit within that context because they planned it, they went out and did it.  It was premeditated, it wasn't a matter a matter of simply reacting to a situation.  While you're on the issue of proportionality, could you just consider the implication of what the evidence was to a certain extent in that the applicant may have been under his brother's control and other his brother's orders as the leader?  From the judgement it's fairly clear that the brother played the dominant role, he actually pulled the trigger.  Just bear that in mind, maybe you could just address us on that in particular to Section 20?