MR VISSER
Mr Chairman, may I come in here.  I certainly don't want to seem to be overprotective of the witness - he can fend for himself, but we asked specifically on what ground Mr Phosa intended opposing the application for amnesty of Mr Erasmus and he pointed out to you quite categorically, that it will be his submission to you that the incident was not perpetrated with a political objective.  Now what he's doing now is - with great respect, wasting time on whether the witness remembers where he was and at a time when he receives a report which he admits he received.
	How is the question as to where he received the report relevant Mr Chairman?  We would ask to - whether he committed the act with a political objective or not.  With great respect Mr Chairman, he's not testing the credibility of the witness, he's attempting to establish something which is of total irrelevance to this enquiry.