MR BOOYENS
Exactly what I am saying.  Two white officers, the one being van Rensburg and the other one that you later recognised as Dirk Coetzee, why didn't you say - you see, the way this reads it sounds as if you recognised the one at some stage and the other one on this statement we never know who he is.  Why didn't you say that it was van Rensburg? - in your statement.