MR LYSTER
of the economy and the society some strong man would arrive, maybe white, maybe black, and he would say, "If you want peace, follow me" and we  would have followed him.  And we would have got peace.   At what cost?   That was the scenario, one could only envisage in 1978.   You know there were - you know the triumphant propaganda that came from the ANC  mission in exile  was that, you know, the arms struggle was  slowly inexorably winning, you know, the struggle, but I didn't see much winning going on, you know.   The South African Army raided as far as it pleased.   They were all over Southern Africa, at its own choice.   You know, the populous - the security police had their will of the populous, that was the story, you know, there didn't seem to be any way out.