CHAIRPERSON
Mama Siko, I just want to ask one question.  We have already heard this morning when I asked another young man who was involved and who was arrested and tortured about what was happening in Khutsong.  He said there was war and within this war situation we are now hearing that there was a group called the Gadaffis', another group called the Mazimzims', maybe some other groups as well.  Were you aware of any relationship between these groups and the police?