MS THABETHE
Mr Chair, the position is that I had set down three matters for today.  The Mafu matter, Mahambane matter and the Pilay matter.  I haven't seen Mr Pilay yet.  Mr Mahambane is here.  I had requested the legal representatives to be here at 2, the representatives in the matter of Mahambane, but I did telephone them and requested them to come earlier.  The lawyer for the victims is present, I've seen her.  Ms Loonat is on her way.  She said she'd be here by half past 12, so I would request an indulgence of maybe five to ten minutes and I'll let the Committee know as soon as they are here.