MR BLACK
Well, the explanation as far as the second issue is concerned, which I can only - it is - I don't want to speculate in great detail, but if one takes into the account the following:  soldiers had swept the area, it would appear they left that area and the premises at - after having cleared the area, let's put it that way - at about 12 o'clock that day, shortly after that this incident takes place, and I do not, with due respect, and I don't want to, I'm certainly not going to give expert evidence on this matter, but I have been involved in matters and cases where the arrogance of the security police has also manifested itself.   As far as they are concerned, they could do what they want to, they were satisfied that they were now not going to be attacked, that is the way he could think, and although it's in daylight, there are countless matters where they have demonstrated, the bad element of the security forces have demonstrated their arrogance and do not just operate at stealth of night.   That's my only submission.