CHAIRPERSON
And also we've heard in previous hearings, there was this address by the Generals, there was - it was sort of like a, many, many policemen, in fact I think just about all of them, held back until there was this address given by the Generals and then it started, so it would be extremely difficult for us, Mr Moerane, to find that there's any huge significance in the fact that the application was late.  It was after all in time and I'm certainly aware of the fact that many of them waited for this assurance to come from the Generals.