MR KOOPEDI
I would argue not, it is not.  What we are saying here is, well, let me first start by saying that those applications, the ANC applications we are referring to, are called Declaration Applicants.  These are applicants who attached some declaration to their applications, but this is not the case in this instance.
	Here we have an applicant who states where he belongs, who states fully what he did, but who also feels that it is his duty for the purposes of this hearing, for the purposes of reconciliation, to state that there were sub-Units which I have assisted, which I have armed.  However, I am unable to say what they did and I believe it will then be on this Honourable Committee to decide that, no, we are not entertaining what your sub-Units did simply because of the rationale that you cannot give amnesty to a person for something he didn't know it occurred, but he feels it is his duty to inform this Honourable Committee and in fact everybody here, that he armed those people and they were his sub-Unit.  As to what they did, he may not have the facts.