MS MELANE
According to what I heard, Sergeant Faku was chasing after two children and these children were coming from  end of Tape 13, side B ...... he asked them are you looking for these two kids, Ms Glepu said no these children have gone to no 11, they are not here, so Mr Faku left.  Now that was the time when he saw my brother, he has been [indistinct] to no 16 which was a spaza shop.
 So this woman next to me actually saw Mr Faku, he is going - she is going to be a witness.  So Faku  got out of Ms Glepu's house and then saw my brother.  When he grabbed him I don't know if he - he had told - he was told from - by Ms Glepu which direction these children have gone to.  But Mr Faku saw that my brother had tobacco and the matches in his hand.
 Now according to The Times it was reported as if Mr Faku was defending himself from being attacked by a gangster.  But now my brother was already dead at that time and he could see that he has made a mistake, but he didn't want to admit that.