FERDINAND BARNARD
Chairperson, if Adv Lubowski was an agent of the South African Intelligence system, then all of us on this side of the table, worked for the KGB.  He was framed subsequently and I will tell you why I say this, because I worked very closely with some people subsequently who told me that they specifically framed him.  It only came to my attention when I was at DCC.  It was something that I didn't like, although I didn't report it.
	It was something that I did not approve of, the man had already been assassinated and his name was blackened afterwards.  Originally after the shooting of Adv Lubowski, I followed the story quite closely in the media and in subsequent reports, and I saw that Donald Aitchison had been arrested.  I knew immediately that it was Donald Aitchison whom I had recruited in Johannesburg.
	I had various discussions with Calla Botha who was my blood-brother and we speculated regarding what could have taken place there.  Then I saw at a certain stage that the Defence Force jumped out, and I think it was Magnus Malan himself, on national television and said that Adv Lubowski was a Military Intelligence informer and I simply could not believe it.
	Except that it didn't make any sense to me, for us to follow this man around all over the show, and make videos of his home and his movements, the videos were made in order to kill him.  I am not saying that I was indirectly involved, I was directly involved.
	I think that there was also information at the disposal of the media that there was a bank account into which deposits would have been made, and all of that was false.  I didn't know it at that stage.
	However, it puzzled me and it bothered me.  Later when I was recruited by DCC and I was brought into contact with Mr Verster, we knew each other due to our joint prison sentences for murder, we were in prison together, we were friends, there was a bond between us.  After I had been working at DCC for quite a while, they introduced Mr Verster to me within my specific system where I was functioning.  They brought him in as my co-ordinator, he was my direct boss.