ABOOBAKER ISMAIL
However, he will testify I am sure, that he was part of it and his application will state that if people have forgotten or mistakenly left out any one operation as it seems the operations with regard to Roodepoort are concerned, because you've got to remember that they struck at the Roodepoort offices twice.  Once in 1983 and once in 1984 and they may then have confused it or the lawyers may have confused, whichever way the situation may be.  That is something that Mr Shaik will respond to and they will then answer to that.