ABRAM VAN ZYL
No Mr Chairperson, not even in this case, because we received our salaries in cash and the salaries did not go to Mr Matthysen and was deposited into his bank account and he gave us a cheque.  The only money that I know of that went directly to Mr Matthysen was the R30 000 that the State had approved, or the then Department of Defence, had allocated for me purchasing my vehicle.
	That R30 000 as far as I know, was deposited into his account, by him and then he wrote out a cheque so that I could purchase the vehicle, and that is all that I know of.