MR KAHANOVITZ
How might it be possible that, and this is on the version of your superiors in the CCB, what they say is that after Mr Luitingh reported this to Mr Verster, an investigation was launched to ascertain whether what had been said, had been true and what steps should be taken.  Nobody came to you and said to you "Barnard has told Luitingh that he has killed Webster, what do you Mr van Zyl, have to say about this"?