ABRAM VAN ZYL
The Gavin Evans incident, the Regional Manager, Staal Burger, informed me that the Evans project was the project of Chap Maree and that the project had already been presented to the Regional Manager and that it was an approved project and I was simply requested by him to use Peaches Gordon and another person to execute this project.  So what I am telling you, Mr Chairperson, is that I was not present with the presentation of this project to the Chairperson.  As I understood it coming from the Regional Manager, Chap did this presentation.