NELSON NKOSINATHI SIQHOLA
I am saying they are fully aware of those and they were at a certain distance of where you are right now and I was here in this office and they would hear what was happening in this office.  During the torture they would come in, into the office, come in and go out and they were fully aware of what was happening there and if the people were not prepared to tell the truth the person would be referred to a TV.  That method was called a TV because it is where the people would see everything that he or she was denying.