KOBUS DU PLESSIS
I would say, Mr Chairman, that with regard to that aspect, my ballistics point of view, I would recommend that the Commission perhaps should lead more evidence with regard to that.  I don't think I can advise the Commission in saying that it can accept that evidence.
 There is other factors also involved which also, out of a Chopper and the movement of a Chopper, the blades breaking the sound barrier when a Chopper perhaps bank, I think a guy from the Air Force, a person from the Air Force will perhaps assist the Commission much more in that regard, can also give the impression, a sound impression, that shots was fired from above.  We must also keep in consideration the crowd, the people themselves, how they experienced it.
 Shots is being fired, they did not see the bullets, they heard sounds, and from where they directed the direction from the sound, I would say that, if I can put it in Afrikaans, one has to be careful to make a direct conclusion, to draw direct influence from that.