MR SAMUELS
No, that was my decision.  My submission is that if person gives an order as far back as four months ago and a general order, it in itself doesn't link that person to the offence and that is why I did not lead him on that specific - it was only one fact, I appreciate that.  In an attempt to be short and quick, I only focused on those issues that were led.  I appreciate that it's not evidence in relationship to the applications but if it counts at all, it was my specific decision not to testify on that point, just simply because it wasn't relevant to Mr Meneer's, Mr Xebe's application and I wanted to just be specific on those issues.  The hearing can consider that evidence whichever way it wishes, but that is my submission.