FERDINAND BARNARD
I cannot recall that I said that, it is possible that I said so.  I did not have a sawn-off shotgun at that point, I especially modified one for this project and at the same time, or shortly afterwards, I arrived at George Mitchell's house and at first he gave me a Tokarev pistol, because we shared a passion for weapons.
	We looked at the magazine in his bar, where there were various firearms and then he fetched a nickel-plated Tokarev and he got hold of this firearm somewhere abroad.  He showed me the modifications and then he went to fetch the shotgun, a shotgun that he had in his cupboard.  It was a licensed shotgun, but a nice short shotgun.  When I saw the shotgun, it triggered the thought in my mind that this would be the ideal shotgun, the ideal size and everything.
	I think within a day or two subsequently I departed to a farm on the South Coast and I went to practice shooting with the gun.