PIETER JOHANN VERSTER
I think we've already said it, in terms of what the definition of disruption is.  Please wait, let me finish.  What we could have done is that we could have recruited Mr Evans, we could have decided that we wanted to use him.  We could make him independent regarding money for instance, but in the specific options, the region's decision, if they say that they proposed that the following would happen, his house be burned down for instance, or he had to be shot, or whatever the case might have been, I just want to confirm to you, because we are talking about region 6 all the time, but these activities Mr Chairperson were only a drop of the CCB's activities and our activities were mostly outside the country and we had to keep the enemy from the borders of the country and in certain cases there were incidents such as these that we are now applying for amnesty for, so it was not as if it happened every day, it was an exceptional case.