MR VISSER
I'm sorry, Mr Chairman, I just cannot recall whther its this witness or the previous witness that I've asked about Oupa Makubalo.  My attorney seems to think I did ask this witness about him but I really cannot recall, I'm sorry.  Well, let me just ...[intervention]
CHAIRPERSON
"...[inaudible] was not present when Oupa was arrested, I went to Smithfield I later heard he was arrested in relation to Motsamai informer's murder"