MR DE RU
And I believe Mr Becker is present here in the proceedings and that what I have testified about today has come to his knowledge for the first time.  I already indicated to you that I reserved Section 49(2) during the trial because I believed that the system was going to protect me and I am saying to you that, as Mr Becker is seated here today, it is probably a shock to him because if he knew during the trial already what I have revealed here today, he would have confirmed my version before you here today.