MR WILLS
I concede that there's a conflict, but I don't concede that that conflict negates the fact that this rape was political.  I mean had it been ordered, obviously, even had it been ordered, I submit that before this Committee it's a very difficult issue and it's a very controversial issue.  I know that it's one of the most difficult issues to try and justify, but even with the order that would have been so.  But without the order, I concede it makes it more difficult for me.  But my position is that it is a brutal act against an opponent and that is consistent with the way that Hlongwane had been developed to operate.