PHILEMON KABILA MAXAM
Between 1985 and 1987 there was a group of people, the AZAPO, at Mbekweni.  I was a member of UDF.  What would happen is that within the AZAPO there would also be police.  Therefore there was no order at Mbekweni, because we would fight a lot with the police, AZAPO fighting against the police.