CHAIRPERSON
But on that point, importantly, Mr Chair, is the fact that there's objective evidence to support this view that this person was involved in political activities.  She may have denied it for her own purposes under oath, but the fact of the matter is, this is corroborated by objective evidence from (indistinct), first white woman in Sasolburg to join the ANC.  She has admitted to that.
	This person it appears from evidence that she was an informer, she worked for the police for ANC as well, she's got every reason to duck and dive on this aspect, but there's objective evidence to support this view.