CHAIRPERSON
Thank you Reverend Xundu.  We are starting our second-last hearing in this region, the region of the Eastern Cape.  We welcome our witnesses this morning.  I would like to let you know that our programme for today will use mostly the Xhosa language.  Those people who have problems with understanding Xhosa, there are earphones available just behind us, behind these interpretation booths.  For those who do not understand Xhosa we request to get those and turn to channel, what channel is it?