H J P BOTHA
Yes.  During consultation it was not regarded as relevant and in my evidence today I mentioned that the area was not strange and we knew what Cele looked like because he was identified do us.  And the point was Skosana was introduced to me for the first time by Vorster in Swaziland - oh, excuse me, Sikhakane.  I knew of his existence as an informer, but what he looked like and so forth was not known to me and he was only introduced to me in Swaziland.