MR PRIOR
230, yes.  Now, at page - sorry, I'm jumping around Mr Chairman, but the last quotation I want to refer you to is at page 228.  Now, Brigadier Fitla was the military person and seemed to be the person with the most military knowledge of APLA's Military High Command said - they were talking about political benefit and whether they would have lost political support and this ties in with my earlier submission that what seems to have been the motivation or the rationale behind these attacks - St James, Heidelberg, King William's Town, The Crazy Beat Disco in Newcastle, was the sense that APLA were losing or PAC were losing political support among the electorate and he says at - five lines from the top
"So that is the political benefit also we are talking about and when we talk about proportionality here, we could easily gone for easier targets than the adults, we could have gone for creches, we could have gone for institutions for the disabled but we had to look at proportionality.
	Some of the things we could also politically justify and defend.  If we had gone for children in a nursery school, we would not be in a position to stand on this platform today and proudly speak of those activities, so we had to look at our operations on two levels as well.  First the political benefits that we derived from those activities in terms of also the support that both APLA and PAC would enjoy. Also when we talk about the psychological effect to put 
pressure on the White community as well"
And Mr Chairman, I submit that that pretty well sums up - at page 228 of the bundle and it's at page 94 of their typed submission - Mr Chairman, it would seem then that APLA seems to suggest that there were certain limits to which one could or could not go and my argument is simply that the fact that the evidence of the applicants is that: 
"We believed this was a military target"
	I submit, must also be seen against the background of the porsity of evidence presented on their behalf or by them regarding the commands given.  There was some difficulty between Mr Madasi and Mr Gqomfa's recollection of who gave the orders, whether there was a meeting in Umtata, whether Bulelani Xuma - that seemed to be the suggestion of Mr Madasi, whether he was the one who gave the orders to attack the Heidelberg or whether it was Leklapa Mpashlela who gave those orders.  
	And for whatever reason, those persons were not called.  I understood that Mr Bulelani Xuma in fact was present at the last session - he was present at these proceedings, he was not called to give evidence.  
	One has a difficulty in understanding whether in fact those orders were in fact given by them or whether they were decided upon by persons like Mr Gqomfa - for the reasons supplied in the APLA submissions, as pure acts of reprisal against what was happening against the Black population.
	Mr Chairman, those are my submissions.