CHAIRPERSON
Is this very important Mr Cachalia, whether he knows whether it's five or six hundred paces.  The fact is, he says he didn't retreat because the river was there and it was overflowing and he could see it.  Now whether you can put an alternate version, that's fine.  I mean whether he admits that it was 600 metres or not, it was some distance away but he gives a reason why he went forward and not backwards.  Whether that's acceptable to you or not it doesn't change his position.