MR STEPHENS
That I could recall, yes.  That's the only time I noticed them because if you can imagine this assault rifle shooting on automatic, I think any other little handgun, you basically not even gonna hear it, so they could have been shooting before that, but at the time I didn't see it, because I only heard the AK basically, or the assault rifle.  So they might have been shooting before, but I never heard them at that stage.