CHAIRPERSON
We understand your - don't worry about that, we understand.  All we want to establish is when you put a proposition to the witness which is a matter of argument, that's different from telling the witness that at this meeting this is what happened, putting that as a fact.  Because if you're stating it as a fact, one then expects that there will be evidence to the effect that at that meeting this is what happened.  But when you're stating it as a proposition you want to argue later on, that having regard to the build up of the circumstances leading up to Boipatong, it is very probably that at that meeting of the 14th of June plans to attack Boipatong were discussed or finalized, as a probability.