MR GERBER
Well, as I've said, I saw myself as a small cog  in the bigger State machinery as a result of our liaison with these people.  At one stage in 1990-91 one of the biggest crime actions was launched in Johannesburg.  My unit was contacted to assist in this crime-combatting action and I served on the Planning and Coordinating Committee of the Police.  In order to plan this operation, it was held on a Friday evening, magistrates were present, they monitored the whole procedure, and it was a great success.  And that's where I once again realised how close we really were in the combatting of crime.