MR DE KLERK
I will agree with you, Mr Chairman.  If it was not in the political connotation, as I'm trying to explain, if it was merely a personal problem where somebody swore at me or so forth, yes, I would agree with the Chair, that that would be the situation, but where you were influenced by this political drive, then you will lose this normal approach which you are talking about at the moment.  I can't take it further than that and I just put it in that perspective.