MR HLOPE
Another incident is the one concerning Mrs Pearl Shabalala from Claremont.  In 1988 my father called me and he told that Mr Djamile needed to see me.  When I arrived at Mr Djamile I found a car parked outside - a Cressida - and Mr Djamile was there.  There were people inside the car and the doors were opened and as I arrived there Mr Djamile told me to go with the boys to show them Mrs Shabalala's house.
	These boys who were inside the car were busy polishing their guns.  It was Dalikolo, Socha and I didn't know these other three people.  We went, we took a ...(inaudible) drive.  When we arrived next to a garage the other four people went out, in fact they got out of the car and they started walking.  	Me and Maslanduna were the only two left inside the house.  I saw them walking very slow.  We drove next to a school, we parked there and Maslanduna told me not to lock the doors and I saw Mrs Shabalala's car leaving the bottle store and these other boys whom we dropped they started shooting.  They shot at her car and she accelerated and then they came running and one of them didn't come back to get inside the car.  
	We drove back to Claremont.  We drove passed the graveyard and we passed a bottle store belonging to Mr Nklega and then Maslanduna drove back to try and find this other guy whom we didn't take because he didn't know Claremont very well.  
	When we arrived at Mr Djamile's house he took us behind the house and he asked us as to how we went and this other guy told him that - we missed her.  He got angry, he shouted who we missed her, how can we do that and then he told me to go home and sleep.
	The next day Mr Djamile called me again and he sent me to Mrs Shabalala's bottle store and check the damage we caused at her car but I was scared to go alone, I asked a friend of mine whom I didn't tell him as to why.  I went there and I looked at Mrs Shabalala's car,  I checked on it and I went to Mr Djamile to report.