FERDINAND BARNARD
Chairperson, I cannot recall specifically that Joe Verster gave evidence.  At that stage he was acting under a disguise, the court was not attended, I was not permitted to be in attendance while he gave evidence, it was held in camera.
	I was advised by Mr du Plessis, my legal representative on my left, at that stage, that it would incriminate Verster in the way that you have suggested.