CHAIRPERSON
That's a double-edged sword, because then they said okay let's lie because we might save our skins, because we don't want to upset our appeal.  Okay now that's their last  chance they've had to save their skins in the judicial process, now they've got another chance to save their skins, why not give it a full go again?  That sort of thing.  It's a double-edged sword that we lied because we didn't want to affect the prospects of success of our appeal, or leave to appeal.