MR SMUTS
Thank you, thank you Mr Chairman.  Mr Chairman, on that basis I would proceed to lead the applicant straight away.  It will be seen that in the affidavits, we started with Pumelele Hermans.  He is depicted as the first applicant, but upon further consultation with the applicants, since as it is clear from the affidavits, the planning, the plannery stage of the incident and everything else, first took place in Flagstaff, we have decided that in order to put the version in a chronological order, we should first commence with one of the applicants from Flagstaff, so I will commence with leading Mlulamisi Maxhayi.  So he is the one who will be testifying first.