MICHAEL KGIBA MOFOKENG
No.  In court the way they gave evidence because we were together with Monde and Monde was a trained APLA member.  We were going to Transkei to be trained, that is the way it was stated in court.  I would say that in papers or in newspapers it transpired that a highly trained APLA cadre was arrested on his way to - around Bloemfontein.