ROBERT KOHL
Yes when he passed his JC, I asked him actually what he intends to do, further studies or whatever.  He said he wanted to study law and be either an attorney of an advocate and I asked him why he wanted to do law. He said, "Well the situation in South Africa is so that he, as a person studying law, could actually ...(indistinct) the apartheid system that was that time in the whole South Africa.  Especially the Group Areas, where people were removed from certain areas to another.  He mentioned that and he also mentioned that the schools actually, because I told him I had to leave Grahamstown because there were five
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white schools in Grahamstown, high schools, I had to leave Grahamstown and go to Graaf Reinet for my Matric Education. He said, when he studies law, he would have brought that up as well, actually.
 The next thing he mentioned was the separate development, where people were put into certain areas and you can't move there, you have to have a permit system if you go to from our area, the so-called coloured areas, if you go to Tandjie or the Fingo Village or Chosa, you have to have a permit to get over the sort of border line they had, actually, and then you had a permit system where you had to apply to the offices there, to get a permit if you had to see people in the other area, actually.  
 Well I told him I've got family actually staying in the Fingo Village and people staying in Tandjie location. They're part of my family and I never used to have a permit, I used to go over there and visit them, even play with the kids around there when I was younger.  That was in the early '40's and '50's, before the new system came in in 1949 or whatever.