JOHANNES JACOBUS VIKTOR
Planning done by the police was done by Brigadier Ngcobo and Major Simms.  Major Simms was in charge of the Riot Unit and Brigadier Ngcobo was in his capacity as such overall in charge of the Riot Unit.  As Lieutenant General I delegated my powers and I had full confidence in their decisions and arrangements.
 The responsibility of the Ciskean Police was to ensure that order would be maintained in the rest of the Ciskei.  All the members could therefore not be involved for duty in Bisho.  Road blockades were set up on all the routes leading to Bisho.  These responsibilities meant that only the riot unit was used to man the route to Bisho.  It also meant that arrangements were made for erecting razor wire across the road.  There were no arrangements of any kind for the police to be responsible for keeping the marchers out of the stadium.  Soldiers were deployed within the stadium since the Ciskei government were determined that the march to Bisho and the occupation of Bisho would not take place.
 I want to make it very clear that the Ciskei Police were responsible for the main road from King Williamstown to Bisho.  Whilst the negotiations were taking place at the border, negotiations by Antonie Gildenhuys and Mr Hall with the leaders of the march I was standing there not in my capacity as commanding officer but rather to give moral support to the handful of policemen on duty there, while I was standing there I saw how Mr Kasrils pulled the razor wire, I couldn't hear what he was saying but when permission was granted for them to enter the stadium I then, when he 
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entered through the southern gate of the stadium I saw that he was motioning to the crowd to follow him.  I then saw that he was not entering the stadium by means of the entrance tunnels but that he was running along the wire in a north-easterly direction.  He disappeared from view and shortly afterwards I heard shots.  It would have been fatal to withdraw the riot unit at the point where they were doing duty and to deploy them elsewhere.  Everything happened very unexpectedly and since there had been negotiations and everybody assumed that the leaders of the marchers would be as good as their word.  If permission had not been given for them to enter the stadium I am convinced that the Ciskei Police would have been able to handle the situation on the tarred road as far as the group of people were concerned.  They were trained and ready for any eventuality at that point where everybody suspected that the crowd would try and break through.  I can't see how the Ciskei Police could be held responsible for a fence which had been flattened during a previous march.  
 I want to mention once again that provision had been made that marchers would not be allowed to enter the Ciskei.  I had nothing to do with the deployment of the Defence Force and if I had been in charge of all the members they surely would first have obtained my permission before opening fire unless their members' lives were in immediate danger.
 I also want to mention that I had nothing to do with the negotiations on the scene, seeing that was not one of my duties.  People were appointed to do that.  I can't remember that I made any statements in the Press.
 Chairperson I just want to mention that if some of these statements I've made sound a little bit strange, that 
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is what was put to me by the Investigating Officers so I just assumed that these allegations were in fact made and my answers must be seen in that light.