ADV STEENKAMP
Yes sir.  Mr Chairman it seems that the mother is adamant that she wants to say a few words to the applicant.  Thank you for the indulgence Mr Chairman.  Thank you Mr Chairman.  Mr Chairman her surname exactly is the same as that of Mr Jabulane Nyongwane, it's also her surname and her first name is Esther, Mrs Esther Nyongwane.
If, with your indulgence Mr Chairman, she's being assisted here by a family member, and if that will be allowed.  Thank you Mr Chairman.