MR LAMEY
Mr Chairman, I'm just trying to find the relevant portion, if you could just bear with me.  I want to refer to page 4 of Exhibit R, it is the - it starts of from the 4th paragraph where
"J.P."
referring to Jacques Paauw asks the following question and I'm going to read it out to you Mr Mamasela:
"How would you describe Dirk Coetzee"?
the answer here is:
"Well, to me Dirk Coetzee is, like I said in Court, he is the flip side of de Kock and they are both devils"