NSIKILELO RICHMOND NKWENKWE
What I'm saying is, Sir, we wouldn't be able to say to Brig Gqozo, such and such people are there as hostages.  It might have been that we had told him but I think that he could see that we had told the soldiers at the gate to go to their camp, so he could see what was happening because when we arrived he told us that the police and the soldiers were against him.  He had phoned Pik Botha, so he knows that when the junior officers had overthrown, he knew what was happening, because he took power by overthrowing, so he was aware that there were people who were taken hostage when this was happening., so we took the police to Radio Ciskei because he would go to the - Radio Ciskei announced that the government was being overthrown and people's property would be burned down, and people would be killed.  We didn't want that to happen.  We wanted this to happen in a clean way, so there was no need to tell him that there were people who were kept there as hostages.  He is a military personnel so he knows when an overthrowing of government is happening there are people who are taken as hostages.  We had told him that all the police are in the college, they want to see him.