MS THABETHE
I don't know whether you understand my question.  My question is, Mr Botha said the instruction was not to abduct Ms Ntombi Kubheka, the instruction was that Ntombi Kubheka would take you to the terrorists and these terrorists were the ones that had to be brought to Mr Botha and his team, not Ntombi Kubheka.  Would you say that's true?