MR HUGO
Mr Chairman, I would just like to add this is the purpose why I am asking these questions.  We are going to indicate further on when the first applicant will give evidence, that because of his involvement in Vlakplaas, he was placed in a very difficult situation.  That it was actually impossible not to obey these instructions.
	Then we are going to indicate that Vlakplaas was used as a so-called base from where hit squads were operating and these questions according to us, respectfully, are posed to indicate how the applicant when he found himself in this milieu for the first time and found that unconventional methods were used, and he was taken up as part of this environment, this was how he was trained and this was how he followed instructions.  This is the basis of these questions.