EUGENE ALEXANDER DE KOCK
Yes, Chairperson.  I was the Commander of the Counter Insurgency Unit in Vlakplaas in 1985 when this incident occurred, during which an alleged ANC member was shot dead in the former Transkei.
	I can recall that members of C1 were involved in a joint operation with the former Transkei Security Police and that along with the Transkei Police, they were working in the Transkei.
	I cannot recall who the liaison officers were and by exactly which channels the arrangements were made.  I am saying this because we couldn't  work in any of the neighbouring States at all, such as Transkei, Venda or Bophuthatswana, unless arrangements had indeed been made with the relevant Security Branch in that TBVC State.
	Arrangements were usually made, let's say for example in Bophuthatswana the arrangements would have been made through the Liaison Officer who was stationed at Zeerust.  For example if we wanted to do an operation in Venda, we would liaise with the Liaison Officer who was liaising with Venda, who would then be stationed at Louis Trichardt.
	In other words, we would have liaised with one of two institutions in order to do work in the Transkei.  One would have been Aliwal North, with Willie de Lange, a Captain Willie de Lange, the other would have been with Warrant Officer Dan Naude, who was officially and generally known as the Liaison Officer or person who liaised with the Transkei Security Forces, and then indeed with the Head Office.
	Only then would C1 be able to enter the Transkei and in co-operation with a Transkei Security member or police member, would they be able to take action within the Transkei, because they didn't have any powers of arrest.
	My recollection is also that this infiltration of the ANC and PAC members was undertaken from the Lesotho area to Transkei.