MR LE ROUX
The AWB through the years before the election in any case just went for this policy theirs for self-determination for the three areas that I mentioned, Northern Natal, Transvaal and the Free State and that was the principle.  The National Party never thought about it or never listened.  With the meetings of the CP this area was however made smaller and as I understand it they would later then extend it and that would be seen as the core area and then later they would extend it.