MR BRINK
It seems Mr Chairman, that Mr Mpisane was shot for one or more reasons.  Either that he was an informer and I have problems in that regard which the Committee have raised with my colleague, for those reasons especially a very trenchant point that Committee member Mrs Khampepe drew to my colleague's attention regarding the position of this man in the ANC and the whole notion of holding public meetings with the ISU, or he was shot because he stole the money.
	If he was shot because he stole money which is untested and unproved, that doesn't qualify in my submission in terms of the Act or the shooting was in some for self defence, but certainly at the very least there was an affray and that is based upon the paragraph 9 (a)(4) of the first applicant's application which he now says in incorrect.
	But I do have difficulties with this application and I cannot support it.