FERDINAND BARNARD
Chairperson, the one was Jan Shoba who was a PAC/APLA Commander.  What happened there was that it was during the time of the Waverley House, and in one of my co-ordinating sessions there was a computer printout, Mr Jan Shoba's name was on it and there was another brochure from a Hancock person, I cannot recall the rest of the details.  I received certain tasks.  I had to go through all this documentation, it was about their movements in and out of the country.  It was the normal information from an intelligence computer.
	Three days later I read Die Beeld and then I saw Jan Shoba was killed in Atteridgeville in a drive-by shooting, I think it was an AK47, and just after I read it, because I thought here I'm sitting the documents and this was a burning issue then and now suddenly this person is killed, I read his name in the newspapers.  	Half an hour later Eugene de Kock and his whole team of askaris arrived and some of these members arrived at the Waverley House and I could see that they did not sleep, they were unshaven, they worked right through the night.  I called Mr de Kock to the side and I asked him if they killed him and he said no, he did not know of it.  I did not think he'd say yes.  I told him: "Yes, well I received this documentation and now I see in the newspaper that this persons was killed, tell me if you were involved or not".  He said no, he just went to go and burn a house.  But Rieg Verster did admit to me at a later stage that they killed him, that he was personally involved, I do not in what capacity, but that they killed him.
	Then there was another incident and if you want me to I will describe it to you.