BERNARD MAKGABO NGOEPE
Yes, yes, I appreciate that, that's why I put it 
on the hypothetical basis, that assuming we accept, 
notwithstanding your submissions, if we were to accept that she 
did say what stands in her statements, some of the things would 
indicate that she had foreknowledge.  And the implications 
thereof would be that the applicants did not make a full 
disclosure.