MR MALAN
Ja but you see they believed that they were part of an alliance in some way, I mean in any event Diederichs there's no indication that he was political, let me just make this clear.  Diederichs says he didn't know you, he knew Mngomezulu which he refers to in the statement here as Ntete but I guess it's Tete.  Is that Mngomezulu's name?  Tete?