MR POTGIETER
Ja that is what my question is directed at.  It seems to be common cause, if one looks at the findings of all these commissions, Pickard, Goldstone, the CDF inquiry and testimony that was presented to us that there was absolutely no reason at all to start firing on the southern side of the stadium, that's where the assembly buildings were and so on.  So there doesn't seem to be any justification, I just want to see if we agree on that proposition first.