MR VISSER
I call Lieutenant Shaw.  I'm not
 not quite sure what the problem is here Mr Chairman, I think he's going to get dressed.  He probably didn't realise I was going to call him.  My attorney is also in a flurry here, perhaps I should call somebody else. Mr Ramosoeu please.   Alright Mr Shaw is now present and correct Mr Chairman.  
	I may mention that there are two affidavits of Lieutenant Shaw in Exhibit B or bundle B rather.  The first is at page 38 and the second is at page 92.