MR RAUTENBACH
Yes.  If that is so, then the question that begs an answer is why when you got this shocking news, as I said it must have been a shock to your system, that your brother is a suspect, wasn't that, that first meeting with Beyleveld when he wanted a meeting and now your brother is a suspect, the time to say to him;  wait a bit, wait a bit, I think you've got the wrong guy, I have information.  Let me tell you, let me tell you what the deceased told me a couple of days before she was murdered, she wanted to sink the Security Branch.  Why didn't you say that?