MARY AGNES KUNWANA
Well I don't know whether he was carrying out instructions or not but all I know is that de Kock used to be the one who used to harass us, me especially. After the meetings he would come during the night and beat me thoroughly, thoroughly, he would beat me. On one occasion he broke the upper flank of my pelvis, on one occasion he broke my ribs.  The very same de Kock.  He used to beat me that the other police would say, "man wag man, dies 'n vroumens".