MR RHEEDE
I beg your pardon, Chairperson, while we're waiting for the interpreting service, can I just place on record concerning the finding of the evidence that Mr Hardien will give, I would just like to object to certain questions that are going to be put to him if it may lead to incriminating my client.  We would just like to reserve the right to then object to these questions or then to refuse to answer these questions.  I'd like to place it on record at this stage and let's see how the proceedings continue.