CHAIRPERSON
Yes, no other than the exhibits because the exhibits do not form part of the evidence before us, they have to support the evidence tendered by the applicants but there was some reference thereto by Mr Mngomezulu in either in his evidence-in-chief but I think most probably under cross-examination.  But what was Mr Malan's problem was are you saying that the objective that they sought to achieve was to make sure that they instilled discipline within their structures and the killing of Phewa would have furthered that kind of discipline that they wanted to instil.  That was the crux of his question.