MR SHEIN
Sir, if I may just be ...(inaudible).  Sir, I've been asked now to ask for a short adjournment of 10 minutes to consult on this aspect, but before we do that Sir, all I wish to state is that with the greatest respect, if one undertakes the defence of someone in a trial, one would raise certain defences.
	Now this is not a trial, I just raised this, the applicant has killed two people.  If he were tried in a criminal trial for example, Sir, the fact that he would raise this defence does not mean that he would be acquitted, it might not succeed in a criminal trial.  Even though it might be the opinion of his lawyer that it would succeed, it doesn't mean that it would.  And if he were charged with - I would submit that from what I have been told by the applicant, there is sufficient prima facie evidence for a prosecution to take place, and he would raise a certain defence of self-defence.  It doesn't mean that that is going to be a successful defence, it might be rejected.