MR DUKADA
Now if you turn at Page 62 of the bundle.  The statement by Shabalala.  Shabalala there gives a detailed narrative, Page 62 Mr Chairman, he gives a detailed narrative.  The first date he mentioned in Paragraph 3, the 19th of September 1985 at about 1 o'clock he was with Moss and they were on duty at Ngobo.  The next date and is the 20th September 1985 where it was on Friday they were visiting a certain detainee, the detainee mentioned the names of certain people  whom he had trained with in Lesotho and the last paragraph of that statement Shabalala says that after confronting the informer, that is this Shosha apparently.
	There were names of certain gentlemen who were disclosed to him as trained ANC members in Lesotho then he goes on to say, that is the last sentence,
"We conveyed this information to Brigadier de Mooi who instructed us to arrest Toby ...[inaudible] and Batandwa Ndondo."
Do you get that?