MR ZILWA
Thank you.  Thank you Mr Chairman.
	Now the provisions of Section 20 (i) a.  I'll just quickly read them:
"If the Committee after considering an application for amnesty is satisfied that:"  Okay and then it goes on
(a)	 The application complies with the requirements of the Act, the act, omission or offence to which this application relates as an act associated with a political objective
	     (b)	committed in the course of the conflicts of the past in accordance with the provision of sub-sections 2 and 3.
	     (c)	The applicant has made a full disclosure of all the relevant facts, it shall grant amnesty in respect of the act, omission or offence.
In other words, what this particular section of the Act says, is that this Committee needs to be satisfied that the elements referred to in a, b and c which I've just referred to have been satisfied and once that is the position then it is obliged to grant amnesty in respect of that omission or an offence.
	Now Section 2(a) which is really the applicable section in my submission to the position of the applicant.  It reads as follows:
"In this and unless context otherwise indicates, associated with a political objective means any
	act or omission which considered an offence or delict, which according to the criteria in sub-section three is associated with a political objective and which was advised, planned, directed, commanded or that commanded within or outside the Republic during the period 1st March 1960 to the cut-off date by (a) any member or supporter of a publicly known political organisation or liberation movement on behalf of or in support of such organisation or movement bona fide in furtherance of political struggle waged by such organisation or movement against the State or any former State or another publicly known political organisation or liberation movement."
Let's pause there for a moment.  In other words, the act in issue should be by a member or a supporter of a publicly known political organisation or liberation movement.  Now applying that to the applicants, I suppose in fact it is common cause that in fact the accused were members or supporters of the ANC and the SAC...[intervention]