MR LAX
18A/16 opposed to UDF, because we realised that UDF was the forefront of the African National Congress.  So we had some problems and even a split within the organization itself.  So some, they favoured UDF, and then because we have been a splinter group and therefore we were also backed by the South African Government.  I would say the police at the time, when we fought against UDF, and then therefore I left Port Elizabeth for Johannesburg.  I went to Johannesburg and Germiston and I went to stay in Germiston 1986, and from then I went to Khotso House, whereby I spoke to Mr Sakkie Maqazoma, because by then I was looking for Mr Beyers Naude.  So he was not there because at that time he the Secretary-General of the South African Council of Churches.  So then I spoke to Sakkie Maqazoma.  Sakkie Maqazoma gave me some money, in order I should go to Botswana.  Really, I left South Africa for Botswana and so then when I arrived in Botswana I went to the offices of the United Nations.  Then I reported myself to them and then I explained my problem.  Then they contacted a rep of the ANC by the name of Oupa from Gaberone.  Then really I met Oupa the following day.  Then myself and Oupa, we went to Francistown.  When in Francistown then I wrote my biography in front of some of the ANC members and from then and then we drove to Zimbabwe.  Then from Zimbabwe to Zambia.  Then I asked actually the members of the ANC in Zambia that I would like to see the leadership also to explain my problem and also to tell them what is really happening in Port Elizabeth by then.  And therefore I wrote my biography and the man who was responsible by then, it was Mr - shall I say it's Legdonite (?).  I don't remember his surname.