MR MBANDAZAYO
Yes Chairperson, and also Chairperson,it would have been easy for the applicant to say look, "I did not evenattempt to kill Mr Swanepoel".  On his own he said "my firearm jammed,I wanted to kill him when he was running."  It was easy for him becausenobody knows, to say, "look, I did not even attempt to do anything"and it is my submission Chairperson, that taking into account the events andwhat has been said to this Committee even by Gen Fihla, it is clear that theirmotive was to attack Chairperson.  If they went there for robbery, it is mysubmission that I don't see any reason for them not to shoot their way throughthat door, and go and take whatever they wanted to take, if that was the case.
        And alsoChairperson, the fact that the deceased had a firearm, it is clear though MrSwanepoel said the safe was locked, one - unfortunately, I didn't want to takehim through the events of the day because I could see that it is taking himback, but it is clear that definitely I suppose that also the firearm of thewife was kept in a safe, and it will be my submission that definitely, I don'tthink at that time, it was locked, the safe, as it was put here that he wastrying to open the safe at that time.  I am not trying to say that he is lying,but I what I am trying to say is that this all revolves around the fact thatit is a human factor, because things happened a long time ago and all this happenedfast.  Therefore Chairperson, it is my humble submission taking into accountthe previous decisions of the Committee, not necessarily this Committee on someof the issues involving farm attacks, which one I would quote, the DannysideFarm which happened on 19 November 1992, it happened when Adv Bosman was involvedin East London, which somebody, Mrs - Leon Pretorius died as a result of APLAattacks on the farm which of course was spelt out it was the policy.  
        Chairpersonwithout boring you, it is my submission that the applicants have made theircase in respect of the requirements of the Act and that on that basis, it istherefore my humble submission that they should be granted amnesty as appliedby them.  Chairperson, unless the Committee wants me to address it on any specificissue?