JUDGE MILLER
Sorry, could I just on this point, Mr Williams, I do not mean to interfere with your questioning.  Mr Bellingan, you were given a bundle of documents yesterday, I am not sure exactly to what they relate, they have not really been explained, but included in that bundle is documentation relating to the activities of Vlakplaas and a whole series of statistics and one of the statistics I note from those documents is how many arms have been recovered through operations, that sort of thing.  After this incident were records of that nature kept by you for purposes of your statistics back at Vlakplaas?  In other words, how many arms were retrieved, how many arms were recovered etcetera.