MR JANSEN
Yes thank you Mr Chairman, just one question, just to get some context, just to get some matter in context.  Could you briefly explain to the Committee, because this is something that may not be well known about Vlakplaas, a while before it was disbanded as a Unit, the Unit became two Units so to speak and operated from two different premises apparently.  Could you explain briefly what happened there, just so that we can create the idea that before the dissolution of Vlakplaas, you may not have had as much contact with Mr De Kock as one may think.