SISI KHAMPEPE
May I just find out something, Mr Meyer, from Ms Mtanga?  Reference has been made to this statement having been given to the Human Rights Violations Committee which must have formed part of the evidence or the proceedings that took place on 4 October 1996 before the Human Rights Violations Committee.  Are you in a position to give us any information, Ms Mtanga, with regard to a written statement that was allegedly made by Rev Phoshwana prior to him giving such evidence before that Committee?