MR VISSER
Mr Chairman, yes, nothing turns on the point any way, we know that he was shot.  That really is, and we know that he was shot by a Riot policeman, so that really is, whatever he was called.
	Perhaps this is the one question that I should ask you.  When Mamome comes running into the office and he says to you we are going to arrest Oupa Makhubalo, I take it you knew or did he tell you, that it was for the murder of Gosi?