MR DU PLESSIS
Yes, Mr Chairman, he said - the question was that he implicate him and he said in his application he did implicate him, Mr Chairman. Obviously it was not necessary for him to go into detail of explaining that he discussed it with Bokaba and that Bokaba said that he wasn't present and that he will give evidence at the hearing, et cetera, et cetera. And Mr Chairman, this indicates the problems that can occur with going into details of amnesty applicants' applications, because this may reflect now at the end of the day upon Col Loots and it is utterly unfair.