MR KAHANOVITZ
No, no, I'm not asking you why there was that rule, I understand it was something to prevent poaching between the Defence Force and the South African Police.  The simply point is, the image, the picture that you were trying to create at that time was not that these people were moving into the Defence Force, the picture that you were trying to create was that they were moving into an area that was entirely unrelated to the Defence Force.  Do you agree with me?