MR LAX
Okay.  And there again he was also a member of the UDF.  In 1982 he obtained a matric exemption, and the very next year started at the University of Durban-Westville.  Lennie's main aim or his dream was actually to study veterinary science, and of course you would understand how difficult that was - or still is, I think, at that time, being - with the medium being Afrikaans, and I think I am right in saying that he did apply and was turned down.  I think it would have been basically based on the fact that Afrikaans being as a first language, and of course we never did Afrikaans as a first language medium.  And that I think started to make certain things grow in Lennie's mind.  He could see the discrepancies of the system in every way everywhere he looked.  I think at one time in the early eighties we started to watch a lot of television, and rugby was playing, you know, a lot of rugby, we were inundated with rugby, and himself and his friends got together and they wanted to just play rugby.  You know, it's a new sport to us.  And then they looked around and there was no facilities, nothing, and there again these inequalities that seemed to have been growing - or should I say this awareness growing in his mind all the time.