MR VISSER
Chairperson, I would also like to say something.  I don't want to interrupt you but I'd also like to say something about this at a convenient time.  I don't know whether now is a convenient time.  The question is simply, how is this relevant, Chairperson?  How is this relevant to this application whether he was arrested or harassed as the witness says or not.  I don't see the relevance.