GEORGE BIZOS
And also, one would have expected that when he - when that his colleagues speaks of a hosepipe, that he himself might have mentioned something about it in his evidence.	But leave it as it may, I will leave it there and leave it to argument, Mr Chairman.
	Now why did you use the handcuffs to spread out the arms of Mr Biko?  Am I indicating correctly, the way I am indicating with my arms, slightly above shoulder level and stretched out completely?  Is this how you tied his arms to the grille?  Is that how you did it?