MR VISSER
No, with great respect Mr Chairman, not with any stretch of the imagination did he say that.  He said that it was his impression that the politicians must have known what was going on on ground and he based that belief inter-alias on the fact that he said that from the GSB's there must have been reporting upwards to the politicians but he never said that there was an understanding between the politicians and the police themselves on the ground, in the line of the questioning which my learned friend has just put.  That has not been the evidence.