MR VAN ZYL
No, I've just explained to you, because it was said to me that the next State President did not know, or wasn't informed about the existence of the CCB, then I went on leave and then we came back and then there was another period of months that had lapsed where we had to inactive, because they told us that the President had not yet been informed and as a result thereof we were still inactive.  So there had been discussions afterwards, at the end of September, the beginning of October.