MR HATTINGH
Mr Chairman, I have no instructions, I hold no instructions on behalf of the IFP or the Black Cats, so I cannot make any admission on their behalf.   However, it is my personal opinion, and I made that clear from the very outset, from day one, that we can accept as a fact that there was a conflict, and that the two sides were fighting each other.   That I accept in my personal capacity, acting on behalf of the particular clients and victims that I represent.