MR MBAQA
No, the whole matter was not so simple - you know this was a very sophisticated case - I was not convicted by his  evidence per se.  He was used to tackle me and partly  to tackle Nkosinathi because the evidence was such that Nkosinathi was arguing and rightfully so, that he was not there.
So what happened after Thembikosi had told the Court this type of things about me,  they then brought in another so-called surprise witness.  This surprise witness then said he actually saw Nkosinathi here in town on the day of that event - on the day this incident happened - so that which the forecast  from there shifted to - to him and then  we were then convicted eventually on the basis of what he said against me and what the other witness said against him.  That's how we were convicted.