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That are not weighable against one another, against each other.
	Could I ask you to go back, Mr Chairperson, to 29.9.1 on page 15.  I promised you to some references to Van Zyl.  29.9.1.  All the details are in bundle B, that is the applications for amnesty  - no, the Section 29 affidavit, yes.  Bundle B at 28 to 29, paragraphs 44 to 46 of that document.