MR BLACK
Thank you.   Mr Chairman, may I also add that, well I'm certain that this committee has had various forms placed before it, but I would submit that the offences in respect of which application is being sought, are actually named, and as the leader of evidence points out, there's a victim involved and then there's some elaboration.   It's for this reason, of course it could also be established whether he had legal representation or assistance at the time, it is for this reason that supplementary statements often have to accompany these forms when, by the time it comes to the hearing.