MR NTSEBEZA
Now we now know that there was a discussion of that document at a meeting at which you were and there is a document which I think you have which Colonel Vermeulen has designated as a memo, that flowed from those sort of discussions.  Now do you have a sense of what was your thinking about methods that ought to have been employed to discredit the revolutionary leaders?  You see where he talks about "the clandestine operations should be launched".  We are reading paragraph 5 on page 2 of that document, "Propaganda Operations", 5C.