CHRISTOFFEL PIERRE VAN DER WESTHUIZEN
Well firstly, the chief figure was Kaizer Matanzima, the former President.  He was very powerful, in that time as well, and I think he expressed the sentiment that he wanted to see this unity of the Xhosa nation during his lifetime.  He felt very strongly about that, and it made quite an impression on me, that this old statesman still desired this unity of the Xhosa nation.
	George, his brother was also very dynamic.  He was a very good leader as far as I was concerned.  He was the first Minister, Minister of Defence, and he endorsed his brother's sentiments. 
	Namba Sebe was the Ciskeian Minister of Transport.  He'd been kicked out by his half-brother, Lennox Sebe and he sought asylum in the Transkei.  He often told me that he hated his brother, or his half-brother.  Charles Sebe was his blood-brother.
	And then there was Reverend Kaba, he was the former Deputy-President of the Ciskei.  Lennox Sebe also kicked him out and he also achieved or sought asylum in the Transkei.  There were other figures as well, but those were the main figures on the Transkei side.
	On the Ciskei's side there was Lennox Sebe, President Lennox Sebe.  He was seen by us, the whites in the RSA, as a thorn in the flesh as a result of this demand for land and his various statements and his instability.  He was quite an unpopular person, he was unpopular in his own country, and he was suspected of being corrupt and there were investigations done, and I think a case of corruption was investigated against him.  He was very afraid of his brother, Charles.  And then of course there was Charles Sebe who was the Chief of the Security Forces, half-brother of President Lennox Sebe.  	In August of '83, I think he tried to carry out a coup in the Ciskei, whereafter he was imprisoned in the Middledrift Prison for 12 years.  The coup failed.  However, he was a very powerful man and he had great status amongst the police and Defence Force of the Ciskei and even outside of the Ciskei.  He was very popular as a result of his charismatic personality.  I knew him personally and I had a very good relationship with him.  He was very strongly pro the Republic of South Africa and he also said that he hated Lennox Sebe. 	And then there's somebody for whom I had a lot of respect, Chief Lent Makoma.  He was a member of the aristocracy, he was a headman.  He had several cabinet posts.  Lennox Sebe saw him as a threat from the mid-80's, and kicked him out.  Chief Makoma then went to the Transkei.  There he established the party, the Ciskei People's Rights Protection Party, as apposition for Lennox Sebe.  He was also pro the RSA and he was a very eminent Xhosa leader.  
	There was Ray Marley, the former Minister of Foreign Affairs.  He was also detained.  He was moderate, also pro the RSA.  
	And then there was Sandile.  He was seen as a future chief and he was a confidant of Chief Makoma.
	And that was, in summary, the key figures on the Xhosa side.