MR MARTINI
Chairperson, what I submit that's - everyone has ignored that, what are the relevant facts that he must disclose?  The relevant facts I submit, would be in Omar.  If he had said I only monitored him, he wouldn't be frank and honest, because what you're trying to find out is, was there a plot to eliminate Minister Omar?
	Now let's just assume Minister Omar had died, the relevant fact would be for Mr van Zyl to come and disclose to this Committee, in the interests of the victims, to tell Mr Omar's family, I killed your husband.  That's the relevant fact, not who did it, it's my submission.  But if the Committee finds that who did it on your instructions, is relevant, I will touch on that as the second leg dealing with the dispute between Mr van Zyl and Mr Barnard on the Omar incident.  
	Well we can go straight there, Chairperson.  ...(intervention)