CHAIRPERSON
Mr Mkhwanazi went a step further.  He said you were second in charge to Mr Khumalo, which really crystallises the issue.  See, if he had left it at Mr Bonga Khumalo having been a commander there would have been no problems with me, but he went further to say you were the second in charge to Mr Khumalo.  Now this brought problems in my mind when you gave your evidence.  If he believed that Bonga Khumalo was a commander by virtue of him being an overall commander in Zone 12, why should he go a step further and say you were second in command to him?