MR BERGER
Thank you, I now have it.  Mr Mthembu was asked
"You state that you were present at the general meeting held in the hostel approximately a week before the attack", and he's asked certain questions.
And then in question 20.4 he's asked:
"Who is Dlamini, who you allege was present during this meeting, and what is his position in the IFP?"
And then at page 31 Mr Mthembu says:
"He is an honourable man who was sent by a minister of the IFP from Durban to look after the members of the IFP in the Vaal Triangle as a whole."
I can tell you further that at page 8 of his affidavit Mr Mthembu talks about Dlamini being accompanied by a member of the kwaZulu Police, a person by the name of Ngabelo, who he says was his bodyguard.  Dlamini at the meeting said, "that the problem of our people who were being killed must be reported to Buthelezi".  And you'll remember I asked Mr Mthembu which Buthelezi, and it was established that it's Chief Mangusotho Buthelezi.  Now having told you all of that, are you now able to identify who the Mr Dlamini is?