MR WESSELS
Yes, no ...(sound cut off) only if there are particular issues forthcoming which is now used to disprove the facts that he has placed before you, that that needed to be put to him in that sense.  And it is my submission that there is nothing put to him in that sense, in this case.
	Mr Chairman, it is my submission that the criticism against him when he gave evidence was that he did not tell the truth at the time of the Harms Commission.  Now it has already been argued - sorry, the other criticism is, or the main criticism against him is that he refused to answer questions pertaining to acts for which he did not apply for amnesty.  Now Mr Chairman, insofar as that is concerned it's already been argued that anything falling outside the ambit of the Act, for which amnesty is applied for is irrelevant and need not be answered.  His refusal to deal with those matters can therefore not be regarded as a failure to comply with the full disclosure course.  And secondly, we debated that and argued that before you at the time and you in fact made a ruling that he needn't deal with specific acts.  And I can refer to the record, it's on page 101, 107 of the transcripts - sorry bundle E, Mr Chairman.  So it is my submission ...(intervention)