CHAIRPERSON
Yes Mr Richard, I don't think it always helps to try and squeeze these different kinds of decisions into the same old ... what we must really do is, we must look at this particular instance here.  Now isn't this - this is not so much prima facie in my view, it's not so much about the broader concept of witchcraft, witches and so on, this was a specific context where the ANC Youth League regarded people who were also seen as being associated with witchcraft, in the beliefs of that particular society there, but they were seen a part of the political enemy.  And that's where it starts off.  I assume, on the factual situation, if they were not regarded as witches they would still have been political enemies.