MR VISSER
I just want to say very briefly Mr Chairman, we stand in respectful disagreement with my learned friend, that that's the only issue obviously.  The issue here is the implication of my clients, that's the issue.  Mr Chairman, Brigadier Coetzee is ready and available to give evidence, he's our last witness.  I may mention to you right now that there are three other witnesses for whom we appear, those are the three we mentioned earlier today, Kopi - sorry, Tax, Sefatsa and - Tax, Jantjie, I'm sorry.  May I start all over again Mr Chairman, I'm getting a bit confused here.  Jantjie, Thulu and Sefatsa.  Now we're not going to call Jantjie and Sefatsa Mr Chairman, because they're not really implicated.  Thulu has been here and he's been excused.  You will recall what transpired there so this will be our last witness.