MR DREYER
I take note, Mr Chairman, I'll limit that.   Let's put it - and this question was also asked to the other applicants, specifically to Kloppers, because Kloppers gave the same reasoning, he said that he tried to protect Oelofse, and it was pointed out to him that in his evidence during the criminal procedures, in any ways he involved Oelofse and other people, so if Oelofse told you to go and say certain things in order to protect him, then it would seem that it did not happen, because eventually he was incriminated during the proceedings, and I do not understand what you are saying to me?