MR VISSER
Thank you, Mr Chairman, and you see, Mr Motsamai, another problem, which I suggest you have, is you, in your evidence in-chief, told this Committee quite explicitly while you were going on and on about files and hundreds of files, you said, inter alia, and I asking you whether you did, we would be given a command and we would collect the file and then went to collect the person.  Is that not what you said?  That is before we came ... (intervention).