MR PURSHOTAM
Yes, Mr Chairman.  I think before one comes to proportionality, one has to deal with the question of the relationship between the Act and the political objective pursued.  If there is some relationship, if one establishes a relationship between the act and the objective, then I think the legislature intended this Committee to deal with the question of proportionality.  If there's no relationship, the questions of proportionality doesn't come into the picture.  That's my submission.
	Sub-Section (f) 2, says that:
"Any act, omission or offence committed by any person referred to Sub-Section 2,
Sorry, I'll repeat that.  It's the Sub-Section below Sub-section (f) which is numbered Roman 1 and Roman 2.  That Sub-Section tells us that:
"The act, an act is not included within the ambit of Sub-Section 3, if it was out of personal malice, ill-will or spite directed towards against the victim of the acts committed".
It's my submission that there was an excess of malice against people of Black colour and that is what motivated the applicants.  Pure malice.