MR NOMPOZOLO
That being the case, corroborates the evidence of Mr Gonya because according to Mr Mkosana, he was in the helicopter, he was not anywhere, he was in the helicopter.  Now, why I am saying he's an honest witness, Mr Chairman, all along it was known that the crowds started shooting at the soldiers according to the information which has been going around and according to him, he never saw anyone shooting and actually according to him, the order was not obeyed on two occasions, because the soldiers had a different view from the order.  Now that being the case, Mr Chairman, it shows how honest he is and moreover he is saying all along, "After I fired these two shots, I sat back and then at the army base" - he has been consistent on his version, "at the army base I showed my commander and I said: 'Look, this is what I've used".  That was never challenged, he was never cross-examined about that and on their evidence, Mr Chairman, Mr Mkosana is saying:  'I even reprimanded him.'  He's saying that in his evidence-in-chief.  The witness was here, that was never put to him that: "You were reprimanded", so that he can answer to that.  He has answered honestly and he has been open.  He played open cards with the Commission and with that in mind, Mr Chairman, I would say in terms of honesty and the truth, the scale falls to his favour.