CHAIRPERSON
No, there is no doubt, that is the context in which the incident took place, but the idea of success which we are now referring to in this debate, is success with regard to one's political objective and not one of the applicants, one of the three, said that they were proud of what they had done.  It was part of the struggle, that they were involved in at that stage.
	They obtained arms.  Unfortunately this person lost his life, he was innocent, but they did obtain firearms and in the unfortunate, abnormal circumstances, that prevailed at the time, that was the only way in which they thought they could promote their case.
	Not one of them has that attitude.  They said it was a total failure.  The other two applicants are totally negative towards your client's behaviour, they said he was head over heels, he lost his head.  They said in their testimony that they thought he was mad when he wanted to eliminate the guards in Vermeulen Street, the three of them together with all those people with the automatic firearms, in the street there, so there are all those circumstances in this particular instance, to be taken into consideration.
	That is why we are focusing on it, so that we can hear what your submissions are in this regard.