MR PRETORIUS
What is wrong with that Mr Chairman, and that is what it's leading up to, is that we are going to point out that according to Moolman there was no such conversation ... (inaudible - new tape).  The picture that this witness painted that when he arrived at the parapet what was happening etc, that was simply not happening so if one takes the likelihood or the probabilities into account then the probabilities indicate that there was no such statement by Moolman to this witness that indeed they would be firing on and if that didn't take place, this witness would not have been in a position to state that a fire or ot conclude that firing was taking place directed at Shell House and therefore to take any action to defend Shell House.