MR PHOSA
I gain the impression - now please correct me if it's wrong, when you were reporting about what used to be said at these discussions, when you talk about the turning point, sorry - when you were talking about these various meeting - covert meetings, that you of the Eastern Cape - that is the P.E. branch, were accused of letting down the rest of the country, in other words you were not putting your acts together.  Did I understand that correctly?