JUDGE WILSON
Do you say this on the basis that on the evidence it would seem that she was, gave out the water then she was grabbed and then it was explained to her, and I must say I have a little difficulty understanding how it could have been explained rationally in the circumstances, what they wanted to do and that is, presumably, she was told and the first applicant would have heard her being told, look, we have come here to steal guns for the struggle, open the door and let us in and when she refused to do that and started screaming instead, that he then felt the ill-will or spite, because she was not prepared to co-operate?