BERNARD MAKGABO NGOEPE
Mr van der Merwe, really what is this story about this case?  Are you wanting to put it to the witness that Mr Phelane denies that he was ever arrested with that?  In which case you can just simply put it him or deny that the case was withdrawn against him, in which case you can just simply put to the witness.  I mean we are talking with somebody who was in jail during that time.