MR JANSEN
I accept that completely; it's to do with the fact that where there are differences I will argue at the end of the day that where there are differences between Mr Coetzee's version and that of this witness, Mr Coetzee testified in a totally different context where amnesty criteria were not mentioned, while these witnesses are testifying in a totally different context and that is why there are differences and that due to the fact that they felt that they are in danger and the only way they can get out of this danger of being prosecuted is by adapting their amnesty applications that they succeed in this, this is my argument.  I will take it no further than this question in any case, but I think it can be allowed on that basis.
	I also want it placed on record if you have any comments Mr van Rensburg.  You are well aware of Mr Coetzee's version in the Harms Commission and possibly in the Neethling trial and how you are implicated.