ADV MEMANI
Mr Chairman, I have already said that I cannot deal with that question conclusively.  I am taken by surprise and if it is a condition to these proceedings proceeding, we might have to be given time to go through  the old documents and all the documents and see what the actual position is, but my understanding is that his name would not have been on that list if there was no intention to apply for amnesty in respect of that incident and that at the time when this evidence was led there was no objection from Mr Visser.  He was, this evidence was led in-chief and it was again led again in, under cross-examination.