CHAIRPERSON
Is it a self-defence?  I mean, look, on the version of the other people this is a self-defence.  These askaris went on legitimate business and the thing went wrong.  They got attacked and they defended themselves.  Nothing wrong, nothing happened, now your client comes and he says no, he places himself on the scene, he makes himself an accomplice to four murders and an attempted murder on a young boy and it's not true, he's putting himself in this case for no reason at all.