MR DREYER
: Why did you do that, because they did not react to the instruction.   They jumped out of the vehicle.   Who knows what they are doing;  until the moment when I heard that from Diedericks what happened there, but the horn was honked for the people to come back.   You were not aware of the fact that these people were assaulted at that time.   I did not see anything.   I had to go on what Gert Diedericks told me.   Page 709.   At this stage, when you gave the instruction, namely to ..., you were not aware of what was happening.  What are you talking about.   The assault.   You were not aware of it.   There was no instruction.   You gave an instruction to accused, accusation 1, to press the horn.   That's correct.  At that stage, you were not aware of the fact that these people were being assaulted.   That is correct.   Why then did you give the instruction.   Your Honour, because there were two black people noticed along the road, and I suspected that they were interfering with these two black persons;  and then the State Prosecutor asked:  what do you mean by interfere.  Whatever they were doing, and then he asks you again;  what do you mean with interfering;  and then you say, assault, search.   And then the Prosecutor asks again:  now what made you think that they were being assaulted?   And then a whole surprising answer comes to light.   Do you know the AWB, your Honour?   What do you say about that?   What are you asking me, Mr Chairperson.   I'm asking you:  what do you mean by do you know the AWB, your Honour.   Did you not trust the discipline of the people who were under your command?   This is what you testified, that your men were disciplined.   They were well trained.   They just reacted to instructions.   If a man did not want to comply with the instruction, then he had to leave the AWB.   He had to take his things and leave.   Isn't that so?   That's correct.   And I ask you again, is this now the discipline you wish to show.  Is this the... They were ill-disciplined and that is why I reprimanded them.   That is exactly what I did.   And in the light of this ill-discipline and under the state of influence, you take these 8 other persons, who are under your command;  you take them on a paramilitary operation where you had to identify ANC, SACP Alliance persons.