MR LAX
You see, Mr Botha, that's precisely the point that counsel is putting to you.  What she's saying to you is this, if I could reframe it for her.  She's saying that, if one looks at paragraph 8 and you've confirmed that what is contained in paragraph 8 is in essence what you got from him in those first meetings, okay?  That's how you said it in your evidence in chief.  I agree with her.