TESTIMONY_GIVER:
  Sure.  The circumstances of Lennie leaving the country was not very clear to us at all, even up to right at this point in time.  We weren't sure exactly what was the reason for him to leave the country, and there are still lots of things that we need to - we've got unanswered questions on that regard.  But he was involved with the UDF.  Of course he started off in his - should I say community work from the time he was a young boy in high school, and he worked with the Helping Hand Society in the Bayview area.  He worked with the Bayview Residents Association, and of course was also, I think, in the - with the inauguration of the UDF was one of the first members.  That's when the UDF started to be in - at that time.