MR VISSER
Mr Chairman there are other references and I didn't want to go into this in detail. This is not really the crux of my cross-examination.  But I remember reading that they were convicted of motor car theft, or there was a suggestion of motor car theft, and that concerned the question of obtaining a white Colt Gallant.  There are - in your documentation there are statements made by certain people who gave the run-up to the event of the 20th of May and some of those people were asked either to remove engine block numbers and/or to obtain a stolen vehicle, and it is in one of those statements that I saw that.  I can't take it any further than that.
	But if it becomes an issue Mr Chairman I am sure that someone can find out whether they have previous convictions or not.