MR VAN DEN BERG
Thank you Mr Chairman, I'm Eric van den Berg from the firm  Bell, Dewar and Hall, I appear on behalf of Lester Dumakude who has been joined in this application.  For purposes of the record Mr Chairman, my firm has acted in the past for one of the other applicants, a Mr Dube who has not made contact with us and so I don't know what our position is in respect of him.  I can simply advise you that were he to make contact with us there would be a considerable amount of precognition and preparation which would have to be done in respect of his application and in that case we would not be in a position to lead him sort of inside a period of 21 days as has been ruled in some of the other matters.  But I don't foresee that that will arise and I imagine that there will be a separate hearing in respect ...[intervention]