AZHAR CACHALIA
And Chair, if I put a probability to them which I was going to argue to you might give them the opening which they have not put to the, it's not for me to make the case and I'm not saying because I did not put the probability to them that you as the Committee cannot find that, I am saying that irrespective of whether I was here or not here, if you only heard the applicants and that was the end of the story, if no probability of the nature that I'm arguing now was put to them you would quite be entitled to say that in all probability there was a conscious decision by a political organisation to further its objective by killing the other side or by injuring them or creating the violent situation.
	I am saying the probability exists irrespective of whether I put it.  My putting it or not putting it and I could see it readily that Mr Lax had alerted me to that particular matter at the end of Mr Sithole's evidence, and I had not put it, and I had consciously not put it, it is not my, and I'm saying it is not my duty, it is not my duty to make an opening for, sir in cross-examination I don't put a question where I'm going to get an answer which is probably antagonistic to my case, it's not my duty, and I'm saying that ethically I am entitled to do that, and if I have done that I am saying that it cannot impinge or adversely affect your decision.  It was not for me to put and that's all that I wish to say in that particular regard.
	I am saying that, I am saying finally, Chair, that, Chairperson that I believe that a roman two of paragraph 3 talks about where offence committed by any person referred to cannot be given amnesty when it's out of personal malice ill will or spite, is the other probability in the matter, that it was, if it was not a political objective, it was ill will or spite.  Both cannot subsist contiguously, if I'm saying that if you find that the probability is that they ...(intervention)