MR P DU PLESSIS
And then just a last aspect, there was at a stage mention made of legal representation at certain stage, in different stages, and I would say that you probably don't remember it correctly.  If we can just take the chronological order.
	During the period, the beginning of 1990 and also in the period when your first application for indemnity, in terms of Act 151 of 1992,  then it was only you and Mr Botha who were clients of my firm.  If you can just think of that?