CHAIRPERSON
Just one thing to clarify for me, you said that you spoke to Mr Mabena about getting money, he asked you for money and then you decided that you're now going to raise money for use for, in Transkei, for training in a task force.  You then say that you went to Chris Langa who is an MK cadre, he's not a APLA or PAC man.  Why would you approach somebody from MK for an APLA operation or a PAC operation, why not go to Mabena himself and say look, I've got an idea, we can hit the Stilfontein payroll, I need a unit to assist me and then arrange for a properly trained APLA unit?  After he was, you said yourself, an APLA man and he must have been an APLA man of some substance because he was now training task forces.  Why didn't you go back to him for the assistance, why go to somebody without - outside the movement?  Because, if I could just add, because if you kept it within APLA ranks, you know if you've got a unit to assist you then the reward the APLA would have got, the benefit APLA would have got from the operation would have been a hundred percent because they would have all been APLA people involved.  The way you did it, you were twelve and a half percent, one eighth?  So one, why did you not approach APLA to assist you and two, wouldn't that have been more beneficial all round?