ELIZABETH NOTHEMBILE HASHE
I was told, you know in that court, we arrived the three of us, with Mrs Godolozi, we would get in, we'd stand up, nobody would sit down.  And they would keep on saying, "We don't know them"  Even Okate O'Orgen was not even recognised.  They would say, "We don't know them", then we vacated the court.  We didn't only go once, we went a second time, Kate had gathered a lot of information this time, I must tell you, not even at one stage did we sit in the court, we always stood.  There was information that we got, a boy Mr Godolozi, this child really created, he said they saw exactly what happened.  A very heavy white man, Gakoli had files in the hand and the policeman was also having something in his hands.  Now Mrs Gatebe indicated, she asked me if she could take us to that child to tell us the truth.  This child really told us everything that happened and we said, "Can you really testify?".  This child said yes.