TEBELLO TRYWELL MBATHA
I am not necessarily saying he stayed at a shebeen, I am saying he - Ray was from Chesterville but he spent most of his time at Ntuzuma.  At the time of the incident he had been around for a month or several days, so as a comrade we had a policy such as we should not spend time at shebeens, should not follow people that you don't know, everybody was a comrade at Chesterville, but there were those who were known to be active comrades.