TESTIMONY_GIVER:
  As I say I can for sure say Almond Nofomela was a policeman, constable.  David Tshikalanga was for sure sworn in as a student constable, with other words a full policeman, and on - I might - 99% sure say Brian Ngulungwa was also a sworn-in policeman by that time, but not a person that had full police training.  Or, say, any police training for that matter. 