N JACK MENERA
Please forgive me Mr Memani and the Commissioners.  This is how I am.  If you do not know me you will think I am emotional and yet not. This is how I express myself, please do forgive me. I want to explain a few points that we noticed during the judgement when this case was presented.  Mr Phelane explained that he had never been involved in politics in Brandfort, and we asked him, Mr Phelane, why did you refuse to resign as a councillor while the other members resigned?  His answer was, my colleagues who were councillors were intimidated by the youth.  He explained it , he gave it a certain name and he said he wasn't going to be intimidated by children.  This shocked me because in 1986 we were detained with Mr Phelane under the state of emergency.  I remember very well. I'm not mistaken.
	When he addressed the people who were arrested for the state of emergency, he said he was a member of the ANC and SACP from 1948, if not mistaken, 1958 and I was now shocked when he was telling his ...(indistinct) before the judge that he never took part in the peoples' struggle. The cassette was reminded about the discussions I had with him about burning the police houses.  I did many things that I planned with him, I'll give you an example.