MR SHANE
That is correct and on his testimony it is not clear that he shot, this is the crucial question, the crucial question is this, as to whether he was acting in self defence or not, I am trying to show that he wasn't acting in self defence, that he was not acting in self defence.  As he says, he shot at - his testimony Mr Chairman, is clear, he says he shot at these white policemen.
	Obviously they were at war, and he wanted to get their weapons.