MR VISSER
Commissioner de Jager is of course quite correct, we have problems with those words ourselves and that's why we were asking the questions.  May we continue to exactly where Commissioner de Jager has read from.  You see then the following strange thing happens, Coetzee, you say, shows you a photograph of Venter, apparently ringed, circled, was it circled with a koki pen, what, what was done with the koki pen on the photograph?