ELIZABETH FLOYD
Off the cuff I'm don't think I can give you anything very well thought out.  Now obviously in the legal profession people defend people, you would know more about that.  In terms of the health profession I would say we've made enormous steps towards a situation where on the whole the legal profession understands that if it deals with a detainee by about 1998 even, when a detainee went in to aprovincial hospital they were treated quite well as a detainee.  We then had the problem of the people with gunshot wounds who were being reported through the administration to the police and being arrested.  So I think we have made progress and professional ethics are difficult, they're not apolitical.