ELIZABETH FLOYD
If you look at the system of detention as it existed then compared with 1990, in fact the system as they used it then had been destroyed and it had been destroyed by an organisation or process.  Now our period of detention was a period that sparked off the whole detainee support movement, DPSC, DESCOM, a range of legal support, the health-care component of it, and we went through many many phases in that and in the end it was really detainees themselves who took over and through the hunger strike brought that system of detention to an end.  So I think with Steve Biko's trial, the issue of beating up prisoners became something where, even if you did do it, you better not let anyone find the results of it.
 I think with Neil there was the issue of torture with electric shocks and also the psychological effects.  In fact what happened is the mechanisms have shifted, so there was a period when people came out of detention and were under extensive house arrests and a risk for assassination.  Now they shifted the system into another form, because the one form lost its effect, so they used another one, and certainly I think that the Third Force violence is in fact our last stage, and I believe that some of the same individuals are involved in that.  I mean if you look at some of the professionals, some of them have technically come out of security or CCB or whatever and they're employed elsewhere, but there is suggestion that they are utilised on that system.  So I think it's a shifting system and if you look at the key component that was really political organisation that brought that about.
 So I'm not sure exactly what you put in the future, obviously democracy is the key safe guard and I think in terms of reparations i would suggest that you need to talk to people individually, I think there are different meanings for different people, and it's probably per the individual and again I think people like ourselves, the political stage that we've reached now, means quit a lot in terms of what we were there for, but that's really different for a mother or a child, it's a different kind of loss.