ADV SIGODI
With respect, Mr van der Berg, where is line of questioning going to take us, because what we are looking for, what is your main objection to this applicant?  Are you attacking the political objective or are you attacking the full disclosure?  Because we'd like to see some structured form of questioning here.  We'd like to know where exactly, what point you're trying to make and if you have any point then put it to the applicant.