GEORGE BIZOS
Sorry, but this has not been my experience, we always put the passage between us and the witness, but I don't want to make a big point out of it.  It has the effect of, Mr Chairman, sometimes them speaking too softly, which is not a problem here because of the smallness of the room, but also this consultation and showing documents.  I know it's a Commission, but he's a witness and the legal representative, Mr Chairman, and there must be some distance between them, with respect.