CHAIRPERSON
Sorry Mr Cachalia to interpose, but he said he personally was involved in the shooting, and from his evidence that's obviously what we know, but I don't know if he knows about the doctrine of common purpose.  He was convicted on that basis you know, not on he basis that he physically personally himself injured each of the seven injured people and personally shot each of the deceased.  It was a common purpose, so I think that's a bit of an unfair question.  He obviously doesn't know the doctrine of common purpose.  He was convicted of the assault, all the assaults and all the murders, attempted murders.  So on what he says, because he says he only shot at the field, it doesn't exclude us considering his application in respect of the other offences for which he was convicted of.