MR VISSER
Well, Mr Chairman, again there may be some misunderstanding.  We are working through interpreters and so on and if it is only Mningwa that is now falling away, I am not going to make a big point out of that Mr Chairman, with great respect.
	The point I really want to put to this witness, that is important is the following:  Colonel Erasmus tells me that he had absolutely nothing to do with the arrest, transportation or interrogation of the group of which you were on, that was detained at Bloemfontein in 1985.  Nothing at all, he wasn't even there when you were interrogated, what do you say about that?