MR VISSER
I'm told that her daughter is in the audience, and if it's not an inconvenience I was wondering whether Mr Radebe would give us the benefit of his recollection of Kubheka's physical build, by comparison to the daughter and I was going to ask you if you would allow her to be asked just to stand if she is in the audience.  I see her here, Chairperson, in the second row in the middle, and perhaps Mr Radebe can give us some better idea of what he means by stout.