PROF MEIRING
So you were feeling very discouraged by what happened at the schools.  There is a third thing I just want to put on the table. You said at the end of your testimony that when you were taken to Hartebeesfontein, you said that it sometimes happened that AWB members presented themselves at the camp or at the institution.  Do you think, were they invited by the police, were they in collusion with the police, how did it happen that AWB people came where you were at a police station?