TESTIMONY_GIVER:
  How do I put this forward really, because I have just explained we've been discussing the ANC office of Mukaleng.  I am not insulting, but I am giving you my feelings, and he is up there.  He knows deep down in his heart.  I do not despise him, I do not humiliate him, but I hate what he did to my mother.  That is my mother.  I have to fight what this land did to me.  Now, what we are talking her about the ANC, they ANC failed.  I can talk about the deceased, the late Mr Sibutelo.  I had to rush to Bloemfontein to meet the late Mr Sibutelo to tell him about the situation here in Ficksburg.  I realised that revenge was not the good thing.  I am talking here of something that happened to me.  This man uses somebody else's power and makes it his own, and this is wrong.