ADV DE JAGER
Sorry to interrupt you.  That is why we've got a problem now because for the first time there is a victim whose house has been burnt down, there was an attempted murder according to the application, on this person.  We're obliged in terms of Section 29, to give notice to those victims.  They're entitled to legal representatives here.  Particulars have been asked.  In order to enable us to do that, I don't know whether this Councillor or his family has been given notice, we didn't know of him.