MR JACK DEMONSTRATES
... and he slapped me, he hit me with a stick and wanting to know what do I want from his informer, Patrick Hlongwane.  Why did I harass him and this is to do with the case he referred to earlier on.
	That is why ended - that incident was raised again by Molly Blackburne via Moorcroft, the then PFP MP in Parliament and the then Minister of Justice, whatever justice or injustice, said that the reason was that I had an intimidatory behaviour which is on record.  They have done that.  He said it.
"Later on, after they had to prove that they made a case against him, after about six months for this so-called intimidation, which they lost anyway."
The interesting element of this is this one -
"During the trial, the State Prosecutor in the case, Mr H F Goosen, who Nieuwoudt boasted to me that he was his close friend."
Ad this, for interest, just, this very prosecutor visited me in Jeffreys Bay when I was locked up there.
	He was just there, because I used to meet him when I was working in North End, every day, because we were passing each other and we used to talk and always I ask him.
	There was this case, I met him at the Daybreak Cafe and he said to me that what Nieuwoudt wanted to get me for a crime that would kill my credibility in the eyes of the Black Sash and that's what Nieuwoudt told H F Goosen and H F Goosen told me that, because he couldn't get me into the case in which he bundled these other people that are sitting there in there.
	I'm going to bring maybe the second last thing.  This one is in January 1987.  I was locked up at Bethelsdorp Police Station and I was taken by two Black policemen from there.  You get discharged.  You get taken to another place.  	They took me from there.  This is going to be very interesting also.  How Deon Nieuwoudt can deny this, I really don't understand.  How does he hope to get amnesty, because I was taken to a - to a place which was known as Willowdene. 	I'm not sure about this which place I was taken.  I assumed, because all the other people who were assaulted at Willowdene with the method that I'm going to explain.
"Before we got there, the police stopped the car, the van and they put a bag over my face and of course I was wearing shorts, just a T-shirt.  It might have been written release this or release that or viva that or viva whatever. 	When I got there, I got tortured.  I got tortured.  I don't know whether Nieuwoudt tortured me there or not.  On that one I cannot say he did, but the interesting thing is that he took me from that place and drove with me from there to Grahamstown, to Fort Brown, that side of Grahamstown. I think it's near the Fish River.
		There is an old fort there.  When we got there, Nieuwoudt insisted to the young policeman who was there, who was a sergeant in charge of that police station, that they must put me in the fort.
		There is a fort there which is a - is never used, I presume, since the Anglo Boer War.