CHAIRPERSON
But what is being posed to you is that your submission is that their political motives never extended to apartheid because they didn't understand it, they didn't know how to link what they were doing to actual apartheid and I think you forget the following, that they say that they wanted incorporation into South Africa, not under apartheid, rather a new government but the apartheid structures were being propped up and this I say on interpretation of their evidence.  They didn't actually say it in so many words, propped up by the lackeys of the National government in the Venda government who maintained their power with the assistance of witches and therefore they targeted witches.  What do you say about that?