ISGAK HARDIEN
No, I cannot recall who drove a car but all that I can say is that when the cars left and they moved out, I went back and I told Mr van Zyl: "The meeting is over, they're all moving out or leaving" and that is then the time when I met Mr Williams at the door, when I went back to go and tell them that the people are leaving.  And that is the reason why I wanted to go to Mr Williams.