MR MALUSI
I agree fully with that, Judge.  That is why I am saying with regard to the initial shooting of the two, that is why I am saying not murder on five counts.  They are possibly entitled to amnesty with regard to murder on one count.  Unfortunately we do not know who was killed initially by Mqiza, because he genuinely believed, bona fide believed, that he had received an order from his Commander to kill these people, which it turned out was a mistake.  But with regard to the actual murder later on of the three others, and the attempted murder on Mr Gasmeni, they are not entitled to amnesty.  It is clear from their applications that they are saying they murdered them to silence them.  This testimony today that these people were murdered so that they could avert a retaliation by APLA, is an afterthought.