CHAIRPERSON
That may be so, but I mean the whole crux of his evidence was also that we wanted to incorporated into South Africa.  And we saw the witches as a pillar of support to sustain the Apartheid mechanisms.  I don't think it's fair to put to him that what they did was only for the sole reason of ensuring that Mr Mandela was released.  It can't be the case because his evidence says otherwise.  Even this document says otherwise.