LAURENS MBATHA
John, as that time, was the Chairperson of the ANC Youth League and as part of the broad leadership of the organisation, MK as the military wing.  Within the mass democratic movement, we had that relationship that we had, very strongly.  We would be called in, for instance, if members of the league would move from one point to another, they would request maybe a member of MK to be part of that vehicle, because of the situation by then.  That was the relationship that was existing.