MR VISSER
You don't.  Was the author, apparently, of an article which dealt with that very question, and I want to confine myself to what the ANC appears to accept as the definition of terrorism Mr Chairman.
	He starts off at page 14 of that Sishaba, and we will provide copies later on, with a heading saying -
"Killing of the innocent is wrong.  Most people would agree that it is always wrong intentionally to kill innocent people and that killing is bad".
I am not going to read the rest.  I go to the end of the end paragraph of that particular heading and he says -
"Where there was a choice and one chose to use more force than was strictly necessary..."
and I interrupt the quotation, "the more force" here refers to the injury and killing of civilians, that's what he is talking about.
"...to achieve one's ends the means used would be unjust, though the ends might be just".
So the means would be unjust.  At page 15 - if you want to make any comment as I go along please just stop me.  I think ...(intervention)