MR VAN DER BERG
Mr Chairperson, we saw on the video's quite clearly that the Mercedes Benz came to a standstill and what caused that was I think a Nyalla vehicle which was in front of it and the Mercedes Benz was driving towards this vehicle.   A session of shots which were fired by the Nyalla people, they sat on top of a Nyalla vehicle and they had heavy automatic rifles and it is quite, you can hear those shots very clearly.  You can see it and you can hear it at the same time.
	When those shots were being fired from those automatic machine guns, one can immediately see how the Mercedes Benz pulled off the road.  You can see it.  The shots were coming from the front and you can also see that if you look at the car, it is apparent ipso facto that those shots killed Mr Fourie.
	That is an answer to that question.  Then also Chairperson, if I can continue ...