JOHANNES JACOBUS VIKTOR
My apologies Chair.  He arrived at my office in the company of a certain Hechter and one other person whose surname I cannot recall.  I have subsequently been informed that his surname was van Jaarsveld.
	The conversation between us or among us concerned the tremendous amount of intimidation which had ruled at that time, which was common at that time, particularly in the Black areas, intimidation which brought about a situation which did not allow the Police and the Investigative Unit to achieve their purpose with regard to cases against persons responsible for such intimidation.  
	It was not possible to bring persons before the courts.  People were scared to come to the fore to give testimony.  The people who were responsible for the intimidation were often known.  The houses of our Black members were attacked with petrol bombs to such an extent that many of them had to flee out of their homes.  In other words Chair, the situation was impossible.  If one wanted to behave in a normal manner that was simply an unbearable situation.