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I do concede that it seems there was common purposes between all of the people that were at this meeting.  I mean there were stab wounds that were found on the victim, Oswald, where the applicant maintains he cannot give reasons for that.  So there were a whole group of people involved in it, but my instructions are that these were ANC people.
	The victims in this matter were ANC people.  At the end of the day as I said, my instructions are to ask the Committee to, or to inform the Committee that the families of the victims want to oppose the application.  At the end of the day it is for the Committee to take what's in front of it and to take cognisance thereof and make a decision on those basis.
	It is conceded that so many people - there was something that would have incited them or caused them to have behaved in that fashion, yes.  Thank you.