ULRICH SCHELHASE
Madam what you have now related is also what I want to relate to you.  You haven't seen it but you have heard of it.  The same with me.  I was never actively inside Crossroads while fighting was taking place and when KTC was involved I was - it was out of my area of jurisdiction in any case.  It was of no concern of mine.
 But I must state it categorically Madam and to the Commission, that I have never ever seen a policeman actively involved in supporting Witdoeke by burning houses and shacks and shooting people, I have never seen it and I would be a blatant liar if I had to say yes.