MR GORDHAN
So a substantial amount of time, Mr Botha, was actually spent asking about issues that were already public knowledge at that point in time.  Who was involved in the underground structure by your own admission you knew from documentation taken from one place or the other and by then most of them were arrested.  The Tongaat Conference was public knowledge and so information that was already well known was being "extracted" from the detainee using this reasonably harsh method of assault?