BONGANI FINCA
Thank you Chairperson.  My second question is of course on your comment on Colonel Chris Nel who is going to come before the Commission this afternoon.  There is a ...(tape ends)   ....which are called International Researchers, which was later called the Ciskei Intelligence Service, we have information that Anton Nieuwoudt, who was the chief of this organisation actually confirmed in the Supreme Court in a case between himself and the RSA government, that this International Researchers was in fact an SADF undercover operation with an aim to use Ciskei as a base to attack Transkei and the ANC.  What you are saying in your page 6 is that in fact this Colonel Chris Nel supplied you with information which you now doubt is confirmed in this allegation by Anton Nieuwoudt.  Could we have your comment on that scenario?  And also if you can tell us how many people got killed with the information that was supplied to you by these gentlemen with this kind of background?