MR HUGO
Be it as it may, Mr Baker, for our purposes, it is more important to find out whether you are clear in your mind that reference was made to an askari and not askaris.  Mr Chairman, I recall it as an askari.  When the group arrived at Winkelspruit after Ms Khubeka had been handed over, did you see them arriving there?  Sorry, I may also not be all that clear, I am referring to the group led by Mr Botha?