CHAIRPERSON
On this question of full disclosure, I just want to hear your views, and I'll be asking the same of Mr Draht when he's arguing.  We had the situation, okay I don't have the problem with this first part of it, we know that the version that the applicants gave at their trial was something different, but the reason was they didn't want to get convicted, and okay they admit that they lied, but they did it for a specific reason to avoid gaol.  But then they fill in their applications forms, and if we take your client, Mr Sithole.  He puts in a first application form and he says;
"...I got my firearm (which I've always had)" in brackets, you know stressed, it's mine, no-one else's "...and I took it"
... and he tells what he did.  At that time Magwaza fills in an application form, says look I know nothing, I wasn't there.  Right?  So in other words, then later Sithole changes his application and says yes I got the firearm from Magwaza, and then Magwaza also changes his application form and says yes I was there and explains what he did.
	Now first of all doesn't that inevitably lead to the conclusion that they conspired with each other to lie to this Committee.  You know, Magwaza said, don't implicate me, in the first one, he's not implicated.  Magwaza steps aside, takes himself away from the scene, then they both change to this version, right.  Then you get the other applicants, Ndlovu, Mpongosi, and Mbatha, they all say they fired weapons and stuff.  But if you look at their applications they don't make any mention of that.  They say we were there, but I didn't  take my gun, I didn't fire.  They don't mention that.  Okay they explain it by saying well we didn't know the lawyers who took it, etc, that sort of explanation, but they must have conspired as to what, at least Sithole and Magwaza, as to what they should say, certainly in the first application.  How does that deviousness, if I can put it that way, affect their credibility now to such an extent that we can feel secure in saying they've made a full disclosure?