MR SNAYER
Well certainly my experience with - with the South African Police at that time, they had methods of dispersing of thousands of people in the street in a matter of minutes. They took seven hours in what could only be described as declaring a residential area a war zone and terrorising not only Anton and the immediate people in the two homes, but also residence in the area who's lives were constantly in danger.
 I - I have no doubt in my mind that, that for me was also part of the motivation for me to agree to this - to this testimony.  I - I am convinced that if the will was there, Anton could have been gassed out, starved out if it took seven days in order to gain intelligence for whatever purpose.