MR CORNELIUS
That is quite right Mr Chairman.  I mean if there was an established usage that I know, if I participate, every time I carry out an order, I will be rewarded, then we've got a contractual situation, that I know I can carry out my orders, because I will be rewarded.  But there is no evidence to that effect, and with all due respect in most of the applications I have testified in, I withdraw that most certainly Mr Chairman, in most of the cases in which I have acted, there were never evidence to an effect that there was an established system, if I get an order ...