Okay so finally got it to work. moved everything to mst. There is a long and complicated reason why not to use mst wit  pvst+ (or anything else apart from mst). it ha to do with convergance and how stp deals with vlans and lag's ! one i had mst install on both end bang just worked
Hi  What i am trying to setup  swa (cisco WS-C3560G-24PS) swb (cisco WS-C3560G-24PS)  swc (8024f) swd (8042f)  I have stacked swc & swd (as swc).  so my links are swc 1/0/1 & 1/0/2 stacked linked to swc2/0/1 & 2/0/2 . these are my stacking ports !  swa gi0/16 => swc1/0/24 swb gi0/16 => swc2/0/24  swa has 2 links to swc  cisco bits  swa spanning-tree mode rapid-pvstspanning-tree etherchannel guard misconfigspanning-tree extend system-idspanning-tree vlan 1,19,201-211 priority 4096 interface GigabitEthernet0/16 description Trunk Link to swc switchport trunk encapsulation dot1q switchport trunk allowed vlan 201-208,250 switchport mode trunk! shutdown interface Port-channel1 description Inter-Switch Trunk switchport trunk encapsulation dot1q switchport mode trunk bandwidth 2000000!interface GigabitEthernet0/1 description Inter-Switch Trunk switchport trunk encapsulation dot1q switchport mode trunk channel-group 1 mode on interface GigabitEthernet0/24 description Inter-Switch Trunk switchport trunk encapsulation dot1q switchport mode trunk channel-group 1 mode on   swb spanning-tree mode rapid-pvstspanning-tree etherchannel guard misconfigspanning-tree extend system-id interface GigabitEthernet0/16 description Trunk Link to swd switchport trunk encapsulation dot1q switchport trunk allowed vlan 201-208,250 switchport mode trunk! shutdowninterface Port-channel1 description Inter-Switch Trunk  switchport trunk encapsulation dot1q switchport mode trunk bandwidth 2000000!interface GigabitEthernet0/1 description Inter-Switch Trunk switchport trunk encapsulation dot1q switchport mode trunk channel-group 1 mode oninterface GigabitEthernet0/24 description Inter-Switch Trunk switchport trunk encapsulation dot1q switchport mode trunk channel-group 1 mode onon the 8024f configurevlan databasevlan 201-208,250vlan routing 1 1exitspanning-tree mode mst                     spanning-tree mst configurationinstance 1 add vlan 1exitspanning-tree mst configurationinstance 201 add vlan 201exitspanning-tree mst configurationinstance 202 add vlan 202exitspanning-tree mst configurationinstance 203 add vlan 203exitspanning-tree mst configurationinstance 204 add vlan 204exitspanning-tree mst configurationinstance 205 add vlan 205exitspanning-tree mst configurationinstance 206 add vlan 206exitspanning-tree mst configurationinstance 207 add vlan 207exitspanning-tree mst configurationinstance 208 add vlan 208exitspanning-tree mst configurationinstance 250 add vlan 250exitspanning-tree mst configurationname "swc"exitspanning-tree mst configurationrevision 1exit interface Te1/0/24duplex fulldescription 'swc to swa'switchport mode trunkswitchport trunk allowed vlan 201-208,250interface Te2/0/24duplex fulldescription 'swd to swb'switchport mode trunkswitchport trunk allowed vlan 201-208,250exit  looking on the 8024f i see this on the port. notice it hasn't received any BPDU packets !  swc show spanning-tree tengigabitethernet 1/0/24Port Te1/0/24  Enabled                           Ext. Port Cost: 20000     State: Forwarding                                Role: Designated Port id: 128.24                                  Int. Port Cost: 20000     Port Fast:  No                                   Root Protection: No Designated bridge Priority: 32768                Address: D067.E5AF.1268Designated port id: 128.24                       Designated path cost: 0    CST Regional Root: 80:00:D0:67:E5:AF:12:68       CST Port Cost: 0Root Guard..................................... FALSELoop Guard..................................... FALSETCN Guard...................................... FALSEAuto Portfast.................................. TRUEPort Up Time Since Counters Last Cleared....... 0 day 19 hr 12 min 57 secBPDU: sent 34588, received 0 show spanning-tree tengigabitethernet 2/0/24Port Te2/0/24  Enabled                           Ext. Port Cost: 0         State: Disabled                                  Role: Disabled Port id: 128.48                                  Int. Port Cost: 0         Port Fast:  No                                   Root Protection: No Designated bridge Priority: 32768                Address: D067.E5AF.1268Designated port id: 128.48                       Designated path cost: 0    CST Regional Root: 80:00:D0:67:E5:AF:12:68       CST Port Cost: 0Root Guard..................................... FALSELoop Guard..................................... FALSETCN Guard...................................... FALSEAuto Portfast.................................. TRUEPort Up Time Since Counters Last Cleared....... 0 day 18 hr 41 min 36 secBPDU: sent 689, received 0 show spanning-tree summary Spanning Tree Adminmode........... EnabledSpanning Tree Version............. IEEE 802.1sBPDU Guard Mode................... DisabledBPDU Flood Mode................... DisabledBPDU Filter Mode.................. DisabledConfiguration Name................ swcConfiguration Revision Level...... 1Configuration Digest Key.......... 0x46511ebde89aab9201e08f03a0f29719Configuration Format Selector..... 0  when i check there are 2 roots 1 on the dells and 1 on the cisco .. the cisco are working  swa sh spanning-tree interface g0/16Vlan                Role Sts Cost      Prio.Nbr Type------------------- ---- --- --------- -------- --------------------------------VLAN0201            Desg FWD 4         128.16   P2p VLAN0202            Desg FWD 4         128.16   P2p VLAN0203            Desg FWD 4         128.16   P2p VLAN0204            Desg FWD 4         128.16   P2p VLAN0205            Desg FWD 4         128.16   P2p VLAN0207            Desg FWD 4         128.16   P2p VLAN0208            Desg FWD 4         128.16   P2p VLAN0250            Desg FWD 4         128.16   P2p   sh spanning-tree interface g0/16 detail   Port 16 (GigabitEthernet0/16) of VLAN0201 is designated forwarding    Port path cost 4, Port priority 128, Port Identifier 128.16.   Designated root has priority 4297, address 001e.bde0.ea00   Designated bridge has priority 4297, address 001e.bde0.ea00   Designated port id is 128.16, designated path cost 0   Timers: message age 0, forward delay 0, hold 0   Number of transitions to forwarding state: 1   Link type is point-to-point by default   BPDU: sent 34489, received 4  show spanning-tree bridge                                                    Hello  Max  FwdVlan                         Bridge ID              Time  Age  Dly  Protocol---------------- --------------------------------- -----  ---  ---  --------VLAN0001          4097 ( 4096,   1) 001e.bde0.ea00    2    20   15  rstp        VLAN0019          4115 ( 4096,  19) 001e.bde0.ea00    2    20   15  rstp        VLAN0201          4297 ( 4096, 201) 001e.bde0.ea00    2    20   15  rstp        VLAN0202          4298 ( 4096, 202) 001e.bde0.ea00    2    20   15  rstp        VLAN0203          4299 ( 4096, 203) 001e.bde0.ea00    2    20   15  rstp        VLAN0204          4300 ( 4096, 204) 001e.bde0.ea00    2    20   15  rstp        VLAN0205          4301 ( 4096, 205) 001e.bde0.ea00    2    20   15  rstp        VLAN0207          4303 ( 4096, 207) 001e.bde0.ea00    2    20   15  rstp        VLAN0208          4304 ( 4096, 208) 001e.bde0.ea00    2    20   15  rstp        VLAN0209          4305 ( 4096, 209) 001e.bde0.ea00    2    20   15  rstp        VLAN0250         33018 (32768, 250) 001e.bde0.ea00    2    20   15  rstp I don't have MST setup on the cisco..  This is the first time I am touching mst  I am guessing if I can get BPDU to be seen its going to start to work  I had found a whitepaper before about 8024f and stp, but  as is typical i can't find it now !
8024f MST + Cisco 