Were Pavel Alexandrov and Valentin Turchin were both what?
Pavel Alexandrov: Pavel Sergeyevich Alexandrov (Russian: Па́вел Серге́евич Алекса́ндров ), sometimes romanized Paul Alexandroff or Aleksandrov (7 May 1896 – 16 November 1982), was a Soviet mathematician. Valentin Turchin: Valentin Fyodorovich Turchin (Russian: Валенти́н Фёдорович Турчи́н , 14 February 1931 in Podolsk – 7 April 2010 in Oakland, New Jersey) was a Soviet and American cybernetician and computer scientist.
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